ukedchat archive 20 june 2011
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bevevans22 20:00
OKay people. Time for #ukedchat - 'Why are some subjects
considered more academic or worthy than others?' - initial views
please
mattpearson 20:01
I guess it is tradition...the big subjects like maths, sciences and Eng
Lit have been around longer #ukedchat
bellaale 20:01#ukedchat because of preconceived ideas based on how they weretaught
ChrisMartinE1 20:01
#ukedchat because they are more difficult. Looking at alps data
demonstrates this very clearly.
bellaale 20:01 #ukedchat
SheliBB 20:02
social skills, collaboration, independence are essential for learning
and life too #ukedchat
xPunzx 20:02
RT @tas_sasso: Please watch and RT my video on the teacher's
pensions. http://t.co/BRPJ7Eh Or http://t.co/12E58D2 for iphone
users. #j30 #ukedchat #nut
PivotalEllie 20:02
@GaryH2UK #ukedchat Yes, this is very true. Do we need a whole
rethink of what subjects are taught in schools today?
ukedchat 20:02
Over to @bevevans22 for #ukedchat this evening, discussing why
some subjects are considered more worthy than others.
deerwood 20:02
Perhaps it is a legacy, if you need to use your hands more than your
mind, is that subject is seen as less academic? #ukedchat
bellaale 20:02 because of trad, boring way they are (sometimes) taught #ukedchat
bevevans22 20:02
#ukedchat I always found it annoying that my brother's history a
level was considered' better' than art - anyone feel the same?
GaryH2UK 20:02
#ukedchat we prepare students for future (unknown) jobs by
teaching them subjects we taught 50+ years ago.
Creativeedu 20:02
RT @bevevans22: OKay people. Time for #ukedchat - 'Why are
some subjects considered more academic or worthy than others?' -
initial views please
bellaale 20:03
any subject can have a high-end, so-called "academic" aspect -
depends on approach #ukedchat
ukedchat 20:03
Please remember to include #ukedchat within your tweet, so your
comments can be captured within the archive.
GaryAveryICT 20:03
Parental pressure e.g...these were important in my day and they
are now #ukedchat
ChrisMartinE1 20:03 #ukedchat traditional != boring
Creativeedu 20:03
@bevevans22 I did a psychology degree rather than english as I
thought it would be more useful - but less respected! #ukedchat
PivotalEllie 20:04
@deerwood #ukedchat interesting idea about using hands. But
really most people learn well with hands on activities - are they less
academic
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ukedchat 20:04
Please also unprotect your tweets for the #ukedchat session,
otherwise your comments will not be read by everyone :-(
ChrisMartinE1 20:04
@PivotalEllie @ but if future jobs are unknown what do you
rethink? Will these unknown jobs not require accurate
communication? #ukedchat
mattbuxton10 20:04
Depends on view of education; 4me it's about self-realisation,4govt is OECD rankings. There4 I view subjects of = worth, govt not
#ukedchat
mr_chadwick 20:05
All subjects are academic, but reading, writing and maths skills are
most important? Right? #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:05
my school considered economics and business as subjects for less
able. Wish I'd done them now! #ukedchat
MrMalcontent 20:05
'cause from ridiculously early age r emphasis of success is reading,
writing and maths scores. No surprise considering the testing
#ukedchat
mattpearson 20:05
we need to be a bit careful about these unknown jobs, the 'shift
happens' video many base this had shaky basis #ukedchat
bellaale 20:05 relevance more important than "academic"? #ukedchat
PivotalEllie 20:05
@ChrisMartinE1 #ukedchat For sure Communication is the one
thing that we will always need, but methods of communication are
changing
Stephen_Logan 20:05
RT @GaryH2UK: #ukedchat we prepare students for future
(unknown) jobs by teaching them subjects we taught 50+ years ago.
JOHNSAYERS 20:05
As a geographer my school felt it more important to flood students
with GCSE equivalents like ASDAN. I lost 24 hours of teaching!
#ukedchat
ChrisMartinE1 20:05 @SheliBB Agreed, teaching facts is important as well. #ukedchat
mikeatedji 20:05
#ukedchat what do we mean by academic exactly? Difficult?
Respected? All subjects require critical thinking
ChrisMartinE1 20:06
@PivotalEllie speaking and writing are pretty much constants
whatever the medium. #ukedchat
bevevans22 20:06
Apologies for my lack of tweets during #ukedchat - computer just
decided to crash on me. back to the discussion...
JOHNSAYERS 20:06
Students with ASDAN / PSHCE quals can with English and Maths fill
league table criteria. So other subjects suffer! #ukedchat
mrjshaw 20:06
#ukedchat they are considered more worthy because of inherited
perceptions of effective learning
PivotalEllie 20:06 @mikeatedji #ukedchat Traditional?
mattpearson 20:06
of course some new jobs will emerge, but they will need literate,
numerate people good with technology and above all creative
#ukedchat
mattpearson 20:07
if you created a new course in social media, to help students exploit
twitter for their jobs, what status would it have #ukedchat
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pitco_cobil 20:07
RT @briankotts: 10 Ways Wikipedia Has Changed Education
http://bit.ly/iYVDv3 #edchat #ukedchat #eduswe #edtech
teachingofsci 20:07
@bellaale i'd agree, they're methods and techniques. add ICT?
#ukedchat
GaryH2UK 20:07
@PivotalEllie #ukedchat perhaps we need to be thinking beyond
just subjects
pivotalpaul 20:07 #ukedchat Speaking and listening first, then reading and writing
carolrainbow 20:07
#ukedchat Some subjects are fundamental to learning - research
methods, language, maths and the ability to analyse info enables
learning
SheliBB 20:07
I think in primary schools we have no choice but to deem maths
and English more worthy, because that's what success is measured
by #ukedchat
bellaale 20:07
reading, writing & maths are not subjects - they can all be taught
through other areas *ducks thrown objects* #ukedchat
MrMalcontent 20:07
And, granted, those three are essential life skills in our society
#ukedchat
grouchyteacher 20:08
We are tested so heavily on reading and math here in the US that
those subjects get the most emphasis #ukedchat
ePaceonline 20:08
#ukedchat In many ways the differences between subjects is
arbitrary and so it pointless to deem some more important than
others
misshbond 20:08
@CreativeEdu Yes, business was the 'doss' for those who didn't
care about school #ukedchat
ChrisMartinE1 20:08
#ukedchat You can't access all areas of learning without being
either numerate or literate-that's not a perception.
JOHNSAYERS 20:08
moderation of 14 students can mean a whole year group can get
the equivalent of BB at GCSE so for HT why not!? Mickey taking
over #ukedchat
bellaale 20:08
RT @teachingofsci: @bellaale i'd agree, they're methods and
techniques. add ICT? #ukedchat > yup: even #gove talked about
that recently!
sh_hanes 20:08 #ukedchat what are we talking about?
Calie77 20:08
#ukedchat also depends on individual & what they want out of life.
If they use the subject they study then that's the most academic for
them
GaryAveryICT 20:08
oh..having re-read I mean you are academic.... if you excel at other
things than 3'rs #ukedchat
mrjshaw 20:08 #ukedchat real question is what is the purpose of education ;)
Stephen_Logan 20:08
RT @mattpearson: of course some new jobs will emerge, but they
will need literate, numerate people good with technology and
above all creative #ukedchat
bevevans22 20:08
#ukedchat IMO a subject like art or music takes real skill where as
others that are more fact based can be learnt. Is that the wrong
view?
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mikeatedji 20:09
@PivotalEllie #ukedchat "traditional". Just wondering what we
meant by academic...Maybe an old way of differentiating value,
narrowly
GaryAveryICT 20:09 @bevevans22 that was about to be my point too! #ukedchat
bevevans22 20:09
RT @GaryH2UK: @PivotalEllie #ukedchat perhaps we need to be
thinking beyond just subjects - agreed!
dughall 20:09
I was one of the last cohorts of teachers allowed to do PGCE who
has a degree in a non-national curriculum subject (Philosophy)
#ukedchat
GaryH2UK 20:09
@carolrainbow #ukedchat most of those ' skills' are subject
independent
ChemAngel 20:09
@bevevans22 #ukedchat the 'academic' subjects therefore are the
ones that rely on learning not skill... I'm not saying that's right
though
xPunzx 20:09oooh #ukedchat time; that hour when I talk about education ratherthan planning my actual educational lessons for tomorrow!
bevevans22 20:09
@SheliBB but why is success measured in that way? Many
successful business people admit to being unacademic #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:09
@bevevans22 depends what level you're taking them too I think...
#ukedchat
teachingofsci 20:09
@bevevans22 is that because in some subjects you are normally
learrning *about* them in schools, not often *doing* them (inc sci)
#ukedchat
OSC_IB 20:09
Can we overcome a perceived imbalance by offering a broad
curriculum rather than asking students to select a few subjects?
#ukedchat
ChrisMartinE1 20:09
RT @carolrainbow: #ukedchat Some subjects are fundamental to
learning - research methods, language, maths and the ability to
analyse info enables learning
mattpearson 20:09
@sh_hanes why some subjects are valued more highly and
considered more academic than others #ukedchat
ePaceonline 20:09
RT @mrjshaw: #ukedchat real question is what is the purpose of
education ;)
bellaale 20:09
RT @mrjshaw: #ukedchat real question is what is the purpose of
education ;) > #purposed
ePaceonline 20:10
RT @mrjshaw: #ukedchat they are considered more worthy
because of inherited perceptions of effective learning
OSC_IB 20:10
@activekath yes, so some subjects may be thought of as more
worthy based upon student's ambition or uni choice? #ukedchat
dajbelshaw 20:10
@dughall I had to do MA in Modern History to get onto the PGCE
Secondary History course at Durham after my Philosophy degree.
#ukedchat
passionateaboot 20:10Would love to join in #ukedchat - perfect time to discuss the meritsof physical education & sport, but in an hotel with dodgy internet
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ePaceonline 20:10
@SheliBB #ukedchat a very valid point! Pupils might begin to see it
like that from a young age as it is those that 'count'.
PivotalEllie 20:10
@GaryH2UK #ukedchat A more cross curricular all inclusive
approach?
sh_hanes 20:10
@mattpearson thank you! I teach History so a very interesting
discussion #ukedchat
Baggiepr 20:10
@bevevans22 #ukedchat I thought my art A level was more
precious as anyone could learn essay techn but creating was higher
>no value tho
ICTmagic 20:10
I believe a diverse curriculum is vital & each child has different
strengths, but in the end its employers that must value them.
#ukedchat
bevevans22 20:10
RT @bellaale: reading, writing & maths are not subjects - they can
all be taught through other areas *ducks thrown objects*
#ukedchat - yes!
bellaale 20:10learning HOW to learn = more fundamental than any one "subject"#ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:10
@misshbond yes but doesn't that seem strange now? GCSE IT was
tarred with the same brush too.. #ukedchat
JOHNSAYERS 20:10
More often than not schools are bottling out of difficult subjects for
bankers with no job prospects! #ukedchat
tas_sasso 20:10
SOME teachers put less effort into planning and teaching a PE
lesson then other subjects.If teachers dont respect it, how can
kids?#ukedchat
niall_m 20:11
#ukedchat there are subjects considered to have more importance
but how can you change peoples thoughts on them?
In2schools 20:11
@CreativeEdu Brilliant info on #ukedchat at http://t.co/6oUgPvl,
thanks!
mattbuxton10 20:11
Doesn't help that teachers often view 'their subjects' in competition
with others. #ebacc debate has perpetuated this!! #ukedchat
dughall 20:11
@dajbelshaw I knew you were a fellow philosopher, Doug. Very
relevant degree for success in teaching, I think ;-) #ukedchat
xPunzx 20:11
#ukedchat some sbjects seen as more academic because they are?
eg I did history as my major at uni - much harder than the politcs
and socy!
Spongelab 20:11
RT @bellaale: learning HOW to learn = more fundamental than any
one "subject" #ukedchat
mattpearson 20:11
@bellaale quite agree with that, but Nick Gibb (schools minister)
has dismissed this as 'poorly defined learning skills' #ukedchat
SheliBB 20:11
@bevevans22 that's what primary's should be taking notice of -
success does not always equal great maths and English skills
#ukedchat
PivotalEllie 20:11
@pipkinzoo #ukedchat But you can still achieve and learn stuff -whether you can do it outside school doesnt' define it as academic
or not
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misshbond 20:11
@bevevans22 If it is in wrong with you. It's a shame English etc are
all about remembering rather than teaching useful skills #ukedchat
dughall 20:12
@bevevans22 Yes. I have often found myself 'defending' my
Philosophy degree :-( #ukedchat
mikeatedji 20:12
#ukedchat doesnt academic also entail ability to make connctions
across disciplines? Also its a certain habit of mind, disposition tolearn
deerwood 20:12
@PivotalEllie traditionally, I think that had been the perception
#ukedchat
PivotalEllie 20:12
@bevevans22 Advice for drama teachers from @pivotalpaul
playing the careers department at their own game
http://bit.ly/kOsnEm #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:12
RT @Spongelab: RT @bellaale: learning HOW to learn = more
fundamental than any one "subject" #ukedchat
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xPunzx 20:12
and by harder i mean more writing, reading, anaylsing, higher level
thinking etc! #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:12
Is it more important for kids to choose subjects they enjoy or those
that will be respected in the workplace? #ukedchat
carolrainbow 20:12
RT @bellaale: learning HOW to learn = more fundamental than any
one "subject" #ukedchat I agree! Then one can learn whatever theywant!
raiseatree 20:12
Absolutely - but that's the million dollar question RT @bellaale:
learning HOW to learn = more fundamental than any one "subject"
#ukedchat
teachingofsci 20:12
RT @mattbuxton10: Doesn't help that teachers often view 'their
subjects' in competition with others. #ebacc debate has
perpetuated this!! #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:13
@bevevans22 @dughall - mine = wrongly less respected as it's psyc
AND wrongly more respected because it's oxbridge! #ukedchat
mattpearson 20:13
@bellaale yes but many schools and teachers will fall in line with
dominant ideology, which is uber trad at the moment #ukedchat
Stephen_Logan 20:13
RT @ICTmagic: I believe a diverse curriculum is vital & each child
has different strengths, but in the end its employers that must
value them. #ukedchat
bevevans22 20:13
RT @Langnut: #ukedchat Employers see some subjects as essential,
others desirable & rest as peripheral & curriculum reflects that.
Does it?
MrMalcontent 20:13
However, we operate in a system (both GB and NI), where they are
considered the epitome of academia...Hateful
2donna 20:13
@dughall #ukedchat Me too. My degree is in anthropology. Not
exactly relevant to the primary curriculum!
tas_sasso 20:13
@CreativeEdu they need to do a wide range to maximise
opportunities when the're in their late teens. #ukedchat
Stephen_Logan 20:13
RT @OSC_IB: @ICTmagic but surely it is not down to employers to
select what skills/subjects a student learns? #ukedchat
SheliBB 20:13
chldn shd b helped to achieve their potential-they cld b th next
Vanessa Mae / David Bellamy.We shd stop emphasising core
subjects #ukedchat
dughall 20:13 @dajbelshaw Yup #ukedchat
SheliBB 20:14
@GaryAveryICT Me too-emphasis on 'core' subjects puts so many
at a disadvantage.With creative curriculum, many children can
shine #ukedchat
xPunzx 20:14
#ukedchat snobbery at uni, my history dept would slag others off -
geog colouring in, philosophy bs etc etc! perpetuates the myth?
GaryH2UK 20:14
@PivotalEllie #ukedchat so much focus on facts for exams drives
out creativity. Creativity great revenue earner for UK
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MrMalcontent 20:14
@dughall Ironic though that the NI curriculum puts such an
emphasis on 'thinking skills' now! Thanks to @SirKenRobinson
#ukedchat
JOHNSAYERS 20:14
My house at uni:- I did 30 hrs of lecture/lab time my scientist room
mate 28 hrs. Other 3 did History and did 6 hrs! A week! #ukedchat
deerwood 20:14
As pupils go through state system they select a narrowingcurriculum, if we present a broader curric more subjects can be
valued? #ukedchat
bevevans22 20:14
RT @isis_sister: New Scottish cfe curriculum is making things
slightly better on this front #ukedchat - tell us more...
Creativeedu 20:14
@xPunzx I think that's really true. Better to have a clutch of good
results than a whole bunch of fails in the 'right subjects? #ukedchat
ePaceonline 20:14
RT @bellaale: learning HOW to learn = more fundamental than any
one "subject" #ukedchat > agree!
jms429 20:14
@dughall #ukedchat I did a Primary PGCE with a Media Studies
Grad, I'm a Comp Sci Grad - still not sure if it's "national
curriculum"
bellaale 20:14
RT @mattpearson yes but many schools fall in line with dominant
ideology, which is uber trad at the moment #ukedchat > KILL THE
#Ebacc!
teachingofsci 20:14
@mattpearson if anything i'd say teachers tend to resist that kind
of imposed attitude. maybe i just have awkward colleagues?
#ukedchat
Stephen_Logan 20:14
some excellent points made on #ukedchat so far! Very interesting
topic tonight. Trying to keep up to date whilst harvard referencing.
isis_sister 20:14
New Scottish cfe curriculum is making things slightly better on this
front #ukedchat
PivotalEllie 20:14
@bevevans22 #ukedchat Agree - mine too. Though I didn't feel
that way at the time.
bevevans22 20:14
@dughall #ukedchat. think how I feel - mine is in Inclusion
studies...(should I really admit that in public???) #ukedchat
dughall 20:14
@2donna Maybe so, but IMO, does *not* make you any worse a
teacher! #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:15
@mikeatedji can you gain that from all subjects or just some?
#ukedchat
misshbond 20:15
@CreativeEdu Very much so. I did both of those and the teaching
was awful because the assumption was we were all the thickos
#ukedchat
johnmayo 20:15 #ukedchat Yep there is a snobbery element with history
bellaale 20:15
RT @Stephen_Logan: #ukedchat Very interesting topic tonight.
Trying 2 keep up whilst harvard referencing. > oops! you dropped a
name... ;)
JOHNSAYERS 20:15
Degrees in my view can be done in 2 yrs rather than 3 ease the
debt situation of students #ukedchat
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Creativeedu 20:15
@dughall my husband did classics and the philosophy is the only bit
he found useful since. He uses it every day... #ukedchat
ICTmagic 20:15
@OSC_IB No, that is broadly down to Gov (but should be
teachers/students). We're talking about value, rather than what is
taught. #ukedchat
RachelOrr 20:15#ukedchat I had to take o level geography - it was compulsory butwasn't necessary for any further choices.
dughall 20:15
@bevevans22 Yes! Be proud! If you feel shy to admit it in public,
there is something wrong! #ukedchat
SheliBB 20:16
@deerwood We should give the children a bit more choice about
what and how they want to learn. Enthuse them, not switch them
off #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:16
what are the key changes in the new scottish curric? (scuse my
ignorance0 @isis_sister #ukedchat
PivotalEllie 20:16
@GaryH2UK #ukedchat Yes, I think you are absolutely right. There
is always the 'need' to test and measure everyone against eachother
jms429 20:16
Does Education ONLY prepare people for the world of work? Must
every subject be relevent? #ukedchat
dughall 20:16
@CreativeEdu I did an A Level in Classics and although I don't use it
daily, I don't regret it. It is about disciplined learning. #ukedchat
mattpearson 20:16
@teachingofsci some do, but e.g. many adopted the literacy hour
exactly as prescribed and did not deviate, even though they could
#ukedchat
OSC_IB 20:16
@2donna @dughall but aren't the skills you gained in studying for
yr degree just as valid throughout schooling? #ukedchat
muckyartist 20:16
RT @bevevans22: Join me at 8pm for tonight's #ukedchat on why
some subjects are valued more than others. What can we do about
it? See you later to discuss
mikeatedji 20:16
RT @Langnut: #ukedchat Surely no hierarchy of subjects as
intellectual pursuits...only their usefulness to the common good
mattbuxton10 20:16
@ePaceonline Agreed; every subject has same core skills
underlying them, is just content & demonstration of them which
differs #ukedchat
Arakwai 20:16
Absolutely --> RT @bellaale: learning HOW to learn = more
fundamental than any one "subject" #ukedchat
bevevans22 20:16
@deerwood #ukedchat It would be nice to think so but some
people will always think of certain subjects as 'better'
Baggiepr 20:16
@Creativeedu At ks2 important that kids are literate with good
basic Maths and have good experiences from wide curriculum
#ukedchat
victoryoak 20:17
RT @dughall: @CreativeEdu I did an A Level in Classics and although
I don't use it daily, I don't regret it. It is about disciplined learning.#ukedchat
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Creativeedu 20:17
@JOHNSAYERS History and English were considered 'good degree
subjects' by my school but undergrads had no respect for them!
#ukedchat
mikeatedji 20:17
@CreativeEdu #ukedchat All subjects in my view...Disposition to
learn inherent in beckham's ability to bend football...same with
engineers
mattpearson 20:17
@dughall disciplined learning is important, and there is *some*sense in what Gove argues on subjects, but it's very deeply hidden
#ukedchat
teachingofsci 20:17
@mattpearson maybe secondary, as already constrained because
of exams, struggle against pedagogy demands more? #ukedchat
isis_sister 20:17
Curriculum For Excellence focuses on experiences of learners and
evidence collected from all curricular areas #ukedchat
dughall 20:17@OSC_IB @RachelOrr As I said to @CreativeEdu I believe it isn't somuch the subject, but learning how to learn. #ukedchat
bellaale 20:17
RT @SheliBB: @deerwood We should give the children a bit more
choice about what and how they want to learn. Enthuse them, not
switch them off #ukedchat
PivotalEllie 20:17
@jms429 #ukedchat I should hope that is not the case, nor should
it be. But maybe that is the place of the 'non-acacemic' subject?
deerwood 20:17
@bevevans22 better? Better for them, their aptitude, their future
plans, or peer pressure? #ukedchat
mr_chadwick 20:17
Interesting to hear how protective people are over their 'specialist
subject' #ukedchat
bevevans22 20:17
@dughall I am proud. Honest guv :) Some people still ask me what
it is though... not a problem you might have with maths etc.
#ukedchat
bellaale 20:17
RT @dughall: @CreativeEdu I did an A Level in Classics and although
I don't use it daily, I don't regret it. It is about disciplined learning.
#ukedchat
raff31 20:18
Important subject are statizised at the moment. The put a value on
the child and the school. #ukedchat
deerwood 20:18 @SheliBB oh yes, absolutely agree. #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:18
I think 4 years might be taking it a bit far though! @dughall Tom
deeply regrets not being advised to do e.g. business #ukedchat
jamesmichie 20:18
American Studies 4 me - multi-discipline: Lit, Media, History, Politics
- set me up well 4 teaching Media / English / Life #ukedchat
dughall 20:18 @jms429 Know what you mean! #ukedchat
SheliBB 20:18
@GaryAveryICT & enquiry approach lets children practise many life
skills AND they do lots of maths and English without knowing it
#ukedchat
PivotalEllie 20:18
@calie77 #ukedchat Good idea. Do you have any idea how they
would do this? And is it necessary to measure the growth?
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bellaale 20:18
if we all (more or less) agree, why can't we just...make it happen?
#ukedchat
isis_sister 20:18
So in english I work with cdt and rme on a project and it may be the
techy teacher who ends up with the literacy outcome #ukedchat
dughall 20:18 I'm miles behind... #ukedchat
OSC_IB 20:18@dughall @rachelorr @creativeedu Exactly what I was trying to saybut much better put, sir! #ukedchat
SheliBB 20:19
@GaryAveryICT doing maths&English through X-curricular
approach is more natural & less threatening for those who find it
difficult #ukedchat
deerwood 20:19 @dughall come on, keep up! #ukedchat
mattpearson 20:19
@dughall maybe we should start putting participants on #ukedchat
into streams or setting? *jokes*
ePaceonline 20:19
@CreativeEdu #ukedchat I think it is very important to develop
minds and talents, encouraging pupils to maximise their potential.raff31 20:19 Confidence and self- esteem #ukedchat
bevevans22 20:19
@deerwood by the traditionalists I suppose. My brother has loads
of qualifications. Thought of as clever. can't change a plug
#ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:19
@dughall if we had been proper 'customers' paying fully for our
degrees I think we'd have thought more carefully... #ukedchat
mikeatedji 20:19
#ukedchat If our ultimate goal was learning to be good citizens/live
sustainably I wonder what we would value, consider academic?
PivotalEllie 20:19
@mr_chadwick #ukedchat But that is so important & a key part of
being a teacher in a secondary school - enthusiasm about your
subject
RachelOrr 20:19
#ukedchat instilling the passion for learning, curiosity and always
wanting more - success breeds effort and effort leads to success!
mattpearson 20:19
@mr_chadwick my specialist subject is English Lit. I'm not
protective of it all, not sure it should be a sep subject at all
#ukedchat
mattpearson 20:20
my view is we need to set up curriculum and teaching so as many
kids as possible have a profound sense of succeeding in something
#ukedchat
GaryAveryICT 20:20
@SheliBB yes, but many schoolsl don't allow the Eng & Maths to
link to Cross curricular, treat as stand alone.. A mistake I think
#ukedchat
RachelOrr 20:20
#ukedchat - EDUCARE - Latin for drawing out and moving on - we
are not filling empty vessels!!!
13loki 20:20
At school I would have enjoyed business studies more, but
economics was the academic subject. I do tease my b.s. hubby
about it #ukedchat
isis_sister 20:20
@creativeEdu may be pushing it in tweet form! Basic onecurriculum from 3-16 with no barrier to pupils progressing
#ukedchat
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mikeatedji 20:20
RT @Creativeedu: I guess for different people different subjects
hold the key to learning to learn? @mikeatedji #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:20 welcome to my world! @dughall #ukedchat
dughall 20:20 @deerwood Started late. Kids hassling me... #ukedchat
bellaale 20:20
RT @SheliBB: @GaryAveryICT doing maths&English through X-
curricular approach is more natural & less threatening for thosewho find it difficult #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:20
I guess for different people different subjects hold the key to
learning to learn? @mikeatedji #ukedchat
bevevans22 20:20
#ukedchat is 20 minutes in. Why are some subjects considered
more worthy than others? Interesting thoughts so far...keep it
going folks :)
bellaale 20:20
RT @mattpearson: @dughall maybe we should start putting
participants on #ukedchat into streams or setting? *jokes* > lol
RachelOrr 20:20 #ukedchat you teach best what you most need to learn!
carolrainbow 20:20
RT @JOHNSAYERS: Degrees in my view can be done in 2 yrs rather
than 3 ... #ukedchat - I thought it took a year to get them working ;-
)
johnmayo 20:21
#ukedchat there should be more cross curricular teaching of
subjects as life is cross curricular
dughall 20:21
@PivotalEllie @creativeedu Doesn't matter at all IMO. I do think an
interest/passion for the subject is also essential #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:21
Can you learn to learn via ANY subject? Is that what we're aiming
for? #ukedchat
GaryAveryICT 20:21
Rose review groups subjects into faculty areas and took away all
the individual identity..a mistake ot the shape of things to come
#ukedchat
missmclachlan 20:21
#ukedchat who considers them new important?sometimes am sure
it's the parents speaking through the chn's mouths!
mattbuxton10 20:21
System creates top-down approach re collective, reality is that
every single kid is their own story. Should be about dev passion!
#ukedchat
deerwood 20:21
@PivotalEllie and, surely, enthusiasm for students learning it?
#ukedchat
richardmillwood 20:21
@SheliBB but kids are enthusiastic; no need to enthuse if they have
some responsibility for the curriculum #ukedchat
PivotalEllie 20:21
@dughall @creativeedu #ukedchat You learn lots about learning &
working thro different subjects. Does it matter if you don't use it
daily?
RachelOrr 20:22 #ukedchat a curriculum based on transferable skills
PivotalEllie 20:22
@calie77 #ukedchat It would be great to have the freedom to
experiment more though, wouldn't it?
mr_chadwick 20:22
Don't get me wrong, it's great. That's why we should give children
the broadest curriculum possible to find their strengths #ukedchat
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jamesmichie 20:22
#ukedchat I think there are certain skills / competencies that shld
be taught in all subjects/lessons to reinforce their value/worth.
TimothyRaybould 20:22
@mattpearson I believe all kids are good at at least one thing -
what is that thing and how do we ensure the kids succeed at it?
#ukedchat
RachelOrr 20:22
#ukedchat Heard that news maths curriculum may be arithmetic
based on 4 ops and problem solving - back to 3 Rs
isis_sister 20:22 Def learn to learn from any subject! #ukedchat
ICTmagic 20:22
@calie77 Could be many ways, but probably none perfect. Teacher
assessed/course work/practicals have pros/cons with written
exams. #ukedchat
bellaale 20:22
RT @johnmayo: #ukedchat there should be more cross curricular
teaching of subjects as life is cross curricular
mberry 20:22#ukedchat - I did a maths degree, specialising in statistics, and lovedteaching maths. Kinda wish I'd changed to CompSci in retrospect.
SheliBB 20:22
@GaryAveryICT Definitely! It's hard for some schools to take the
risk to integrate subjects in case standards drop I think #ukedchat
mattpearson 20:22 @mattbuxton10 second that entirely #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:22
RT @bevevans22: #ukedchat is 20 minutes in. Why are some
subjects considered more worthy than others? Interesting thoughts
so far...keep it going folks :)
PivotalEllie 20:22
@deerwood #ukedchat Precisely. Over-enthusiasm for everything
to do with your subject to motivate your learners and get them
enthused too
bevevans22 20:22
RT @mattpearson:my view-we need to set up curric & teaching so
as many kids as poss have profound sense of succeeding in
something #ukedchat
jamesmichie 20:23
#ukedchat such as literacy, numeracy, creative thinking,
collaboration, research... and more. Responsibility of all.
ePaceonline 20:23
RT @mattpearson: my view is we need to set up curriculum and
teaching so as many kids as possible have a profound sense of
succeeding in something #ukedchat
bellaale 20:23
no need to focus on academic side of Maths - cos we will have until
18 to teach them it all! #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:23
Is anyone here an advocate of marginalising less academic
subjects? It seems quite one sided... #ukedchat
OSC_IB 20:23
Talking about Learning to Learn, does anybody in state schools
teaching learning or knowledge theory? #ukedchat
ChrisMartinE1 20:23
@RachelOrr A problem solving based curriculum sounds wonderful
#ukedchat
mattpearson 20:24
@TimothyRaybould a very pertinent question, we don't find that
thing in enough kids and their experience of school is not good
#ukedchat
mikeatedji 20:24
@CreativeEdu #ukedchat yes learning to learn is vital componentof thinking...in any subject indeed. some more utilitarian than
others
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Stephen_Logan 20:24
RT @jamesmichie: #ukedchat I think there are certain skills /
competencies that shld be taught in all subjects/lessons to
reinforce their value/worth.
OSC_IB 20:24 @CreativeEdu no, surely we need a broad curriculum? #ukedchat
GaryH2UK 20:24#ukedchat dont remember much of the physics/maths from uni butdo apply the problem solving approach everyday
bevevans22 20:24
#ukedchat So, do we all think that skills in the old '3 rs' are more
important to increasing a learners potential than some subjects?
ICTmagic 20:24
@calie77 Probably varied methods for varied subjects, but this will
give different levels of qualifications still. #ukedchat
#Ihavenoanswer
PivotalEllie 20:24
@RachelOrr #ukedchat So how would you structure a 'transferable
skills' curriculum? Do topic based work more? I like this as an idea
misshbond 20:24
RT @johnmayo: #ukedchat there should be more cross curricular
teaching of subjects as life is cross curricular
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GaryH2UK 20:25
RT @mattpearson: my view is we need to set up curriculum and
teaching so as many kids as possible have a profound sense of
succeeding in something #ukedchat
bellaale 20:25
RT @Creativeedu: Is anyone here an advocate of marginalising less
academic subjects? It seems quite one sided... #ukedchat > #gove is
out...
TimothyRaybould 20:25
@CreativeEdu I reckon it's better to have a balance of subjects
suited to the individual - different pathways perhaps? #ukedchat
bevevans22 20:26
RT @jamesmichie Think curriculum shld be broad but
learners/parents can feel confident that cert. skills will be taught.
#ukedchat
richardmillwood 20:26
#ukedchat facts, skills, mental models, problem solving and
attitudes all important
jackieschneider 20:26
@dughall - I have a degree in drama. Presumably wouldnt be
accepted now? #ukedchat
johnmayo 20:26
in Ireland we would have a broad range of subjects examinable at
both levels #ukedchat which I think is a god thing
mikeatedji 20:26
#ukedchat Otherwise what are we doing all this learning for? It's
surely more than just the individual?
GaryAveryICT 20:26
RT @TimothyRaybould: some subjects are probably considered
more worthy than others based on the salary #ukedchat --sad but
true
Creativeedu 20:26 ha ha! bless #gove. the little idiot.. @bevevans22 #ukedchat
isis_sister 20:26
Key Scottish curricular changes reflect a lot of the ideas here check
them out http://bit.ly/c4Dc8V #ukedchat
TimothyRaybould 20:26
some subjects are probably considered more worthy than others
based on the salary you can get in the respective career #ukedchat
mikeatedji 20:26
#ukedchat worth depends on what the ultimate vision for
education is...what are the values? Sustainable living...citizenship?
jamesmichie 20:27
RT @CreativeEdu: What's the most important thing we can teach
our learners? #ukedchat dunno: most
MPs are great actors...
RachelOrr 20:27
#ukedchat we're teaching children today skills for jobs that haven't
even been invented or created - how do we know what they will
need?
richardmillwood 20:27
#ukedchat kids are learning machines; learning to learn makes the
machine sing
dughall 20:27
@jackieschneider I couldn't say, but unless it was a first, you can
consider yourself bottom of the pile ;-) (Joking!) #ukedchat
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Creativeedu 20:27
@TimothyRaybould that's a really interesting take on it... though
I'm not sure there are many high paid jobs in English #ukedchat
JfB57 20:27 @Creativeedu V late. Whats the topic #ukedchat
ChrisMartinE1 20:27
I'm in favour of marginalising poor quality teaching and teachers.
#ukedchat
ePaceonline 20:27
#ukedchat We need to nurture questioning & thinking brains thatcan adapt. Most of what this generation will need to know not
invented yet.
GaryH2UK 20:27
RT @mattpearso the content you learn is just like the meat you
throw to the guard-dog; the skills are the important thing
#ukedchat cheesy, maybe, but, "joy of learning"?
misshbond 20:28
What are chn going to benefit more from? Learning dates/quotes
or learning how to question/engage/wonder/think for themselves?
#ukedchat
PivotalEllie 20:28
@ePaceonline #ukedchat Yes, totally agree. @rachelorr & I have
just been saying the same.
TheHeadsOffice 20:28
RT @ePaceonline: #ukedchat We need to nurture questioning &
thinking brains that can adapt. Most of what this generation will
need to know not invented yet.
jackieschneider 20:28 What is #ukedchat topic - can't work it out from tweets I'm seeing!
bellaale 20:28
RT @jackieschneider: @dughall - I have a degree in drama.
Presumably wouldnt be accepted now? #ukedchat > dunno: most
MPs are fab actors...
Creativeedu 20:28
RT @isis_sister: Key Scottish curricular changes reflect a lot of the
ideas here check them out http://bit.ly/c4Dc8V #ukedchat
mattpearson 20:28
@ChrisMartinE1 we need evidence? I thought this was a chat, not
an interrogation *smiles sweetly* #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:28
@isis_sister thanks for that great link, I will digest it fully tomorrow
#ukedchat
teachingofsci 20:28
@CreativeEdu to be *good* learners - by modeling, supporting,
giving feedback, setting up situations for them to 'fail better'
#ukedchat
deerwood 20:28 @CreativeEdu to turn up on time! #ukedchat
bevevans22 20:28@johnmayo But do pupils get the option to drop certain subjects asthey do here? #ukedchat #justwondering
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johnmayo 20:30
RT @johnmayo: @bevevans22 they can drop about 1/3 most do
9/10 for Junior Cert and 7 for Leaving Cert (4 compulsory )
#ukedchat
teachingofsci 20:30
@TimothyRaybould finding facts? or thinking about them, using
them in methods, how to learn new methods/ #ukedchat
mattbuxton10 20:30
@PivotalEllie Absolutely, its also perpetuated at Y9 options time byparental perceptions of subjects, courses & qualifications
#ukedchat
ePaceonline 20:30
RT @richardmillwood: #ukedchat kids are learning machines;
learning to learn makes the machine sing> well put!
isis_sister 20:30
@CreativeEdu good luck - we are already implementing it while still
trying to get our heads round it !! #ukedchat
mikeatedji 20:30
@CreativeEdu: What's most important thing we teach our
learners? > The love of learning, it nevr finishes, more thn the
individu #ukedchat
missmclachlan 20:31
RT @bevevans22: RT @misshbond:What r chn going to benefit
more from? Learning dates/quotes or how to
question/engage/wonder/think for themselves? #ukedchat
bellaale 20:31
RT @Stephen_Logan: encourage students to be reflective, consider
what they have learnt and apply it but also encourage creativity.
#ukedchat
SheliBB 20:31 or even 'separate' #ukedchat
jackieschneider 20:31
#ukedchat -Sorry I'm late - fantastic day on strike rally with
London's finest teachers.
Creativeedu 20:31
why are some subjects cosidered more important than others. I
think we're wondering a little! @jackieschneider #ukedchat
ClaireJoanne35 20:31
@jackieschneider Why are some subjects considered more
academic than others? #ukedchat
Stephen_Logan 20:31
encourage students to be reflective, consider what they have learnt
and apply it but also encourage creativity. #ukedchat
ePaceonline 20:31
@RachelOrr #ukedchat we don't do we - so we need to teach how
to learn!
RachelOrr 20:31
#ukedchat EYFS had strong idea of developing a knowledge &
understanding of the world rather than putting subj (cont)
http://deck.ly/~O67VK
richardmillwood 20:31 #ukedchat love of learning already there - we mustn't defeat it!
mikeatedji 20:31
@TimothyRaybould #ukedchat but dont we have to build in a value
component too. What are we thinking/learning for?
bevevans22 20:32
RT @jackieschneider: #ukedchat -Sorry I'm late - fantastic day on
strike rally with London's finest teachers. - no need to apolgise...
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teachingofsci 20:32
@CreativeEdu is it subs seen as 'academic' have strong explicit
'facts' component vs skills which are more implicit once learned?
#ukedchat
PivotalEllie 20:32
@mattbuxton10 #ukedchat Parental perceptions have a big
influence & they often refer to their own schooling.
kalinski1970 20:32
@mattpearson I felt I was very close in creating that curriculum
until Gove #ukedchat
jamesmichie 20:32
RT @CreativeEdu: we seem agreed that learning to learn is the key -
surely that can be done via any subject? #ukedchat
misshbond 20:32
@shelibb Hoorah. Maybe not get rid of subjects, maybe just
interlink *much* more? #ukedchat
hrogerson 20:32
@pivotalpaul @jackieschneider I agree that there is are big benefits
to students studying drama! V. underrated subject. #ukedchat
TimothyRaybould 20:32@mattbuxton10 parent perception and misunderstanding of theirchildren's strengths and abilities impacts choices #ukedchat
Quiggers81 20:32
RT @ePaceonline: #ukedchat We need to nurture questioning &
thinking brains that can adapt. Most of what this generation will
need to know not invented yet.
Creativeedu 20:32
we seem agreed that learning to learn is the key - surely that can be
done via any subject? #ukedchat
bevevans22 20:32
@GaryAveryICT You're quite right. Sometimes a bit of common
sense and a head full of ideas will take you a long way though
#ukedchat
TheHeadsOffice 20:32
RT @TimothyRaybould: the next most important thing is what to
do with the knowledge once the learners have found it #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:33
@deerwood anyway, this guy was lucky, I sacked the one who
failed to show up for work last week... #ukedchat
ChrisMartinE1 20:33
#ukedchat Conversations with Business and physics undergraduates
demonstrate why some subjects are valued more highly than
others.
jackieschneider 20:33
I think subject divisions are a nonsense. It is just a convention but
we accept it as gospel truth #ukedchat
bevevans22 20:33
@Stephen_Logan I think we do this a lot in primary but not sure if it
is as 'high profile' in secondary settings #ukedchat
mattbuxton10 20:33
I'm a History teacher, but who am I to say that History is more
important than art/business/RE etc if a kid loves art/business/RE?
#ukedchat
mikeatedji 20:33
#ukedchat learning to learn is crucial but we have to build in a value
component surely. Education fwithout values has proved
dangerous
mattpearson 20:33
@kalinski1970 genuine question though, how far has Gove stymied
this approach? #ukedchat
TheHeadsOffice 20:33 @RachelOrr IMHO EYFS have got it right! #ukedchat
PivotalEllie 20:33
#ukedchat It is hard to move forwards in terms of developingcurriculum, when so many people are looking back to what is
traditional.
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TimothyRaybould 20:34
@CreativeEdu learning to learn can happen anywhere, but will be
most effective in the subjects that young people enjoy #ukedchat
JOHNSAYERS 20:34
@carolrainbow if it takes a year for 20+s to get working we have a
problem... Hang on.... Bye bye British power ! #ukedchat
GaryH2UK 20:34#ukedchat Is it easier to test facts than skills? We value themeasureable because we cant measure the valuable
mikeatedji 20:34 @PivotalEllie #ukedchat completely agree!
Stephen_Logan 20:34
very good point RT@bevevans22 I think we do this a lot in primary
but not sure if it is as 'high profile' in secondary settings #ukedchat
ColinGoffin 20:34
@jackieschneider: I think subject divisions are a nonsense. It is
just a convention but we accept it as gospel truth #ukedchat
Excellent!
bellaale 20:34
RT @mattpearson: @kalinski1970 genuine question though, how
far has Gove stymied this approach? #ukedchat > surely most knowhe is a fool?
PivotalEllie 20:34
@TimothyRaybould #ukedchat So do we need to 'teach' how to
apply knowledge and/or skills?
PivotalEllie 20:35
@TimothyRaybould #ukedchat Breaking the cycle is a big task.
Where would you start?
ChrisMartinE1 20:35
@mattbuxton10 A knowledgeable person who can explain and
interpret sources rather someone who can draw an apple quite
well #ukedchat
TheHeadsOffice 20:35
@RachelOrr Absolutely & for once I thought we were doing it right!
#ukedchat
ukedchat 20:35
RT @GaryH2UK: #ukedchat ... We value the measureable because
we cant measure the valuable
TimothyRaybould 20:35
@PivotalEllie indeed, are we teachers, or enablers of learning (or
something with a better name)? #ukedchat
bellaale 20:35
RT @ColinGoffin: @jackieschneider: I think subject divisions
are a nonsense. It is just a convention but we accept it as gospel
truth #ukedchat Excellent!
GaryH2UK 20:35 #ukedchat is it easier to teach facts than skills?
bellaale 20:35
I teach MFL, ICT, numeracy, literacy, citizenship, (etc.) every
lesson... #ukedchat
RachelOrr 20:35
#ukedchat teach and learn with cohesion and connections rather
than tenuous links.
hrogerson 20:35
@TimothyRaybould #ukedchat I agree - I think that lots of parents
pushed their children into EBacc, not realising the possible impact.
ePaceonline 20:35
#ukedchat Is there a place any more for learning 'facts' when we
are surrounded with sources of instant information?
JOHNSAYERS 20:35
RT @Creativeedu: @JOHNSAYERS History and English were
considered 'good degree subjects' by my school but undergrads had
no respect for them! #ukedchat
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mr_chadwick 20:35
RT @kalinski1970: @mattpearson I felt I was very close in creating
that curriculum until Gove #ukedchat > don't let HIM stop you.
hairbyslice 20:35
#ukedchat Important for ch to learn to care, enjoy, think, make a
positive contribution, to see the bigger picture - regardless of
subject.
Creativeedu 20:35
do you mean that academic subjects are the ones where we gain
knowledge rather than skills? @teachingofsci #ukedchat
mikeatedji 20:35
RT @GaryH2UK: #ukedchat Is it easier to test facts than skills? We
value the measureable because we cant measure the valuable
PivotalEllie 20:36
@TimothyRaybould #ukedchat I think we have to play lots of
different roles, at different times for different students. That's a
good teacher
missmclachlan 20:36
RT @bellaale: I teach MFL, ICT, numeracy, literacy, citizenship,
(etc.) every lesson... #ukedchat
teachingofsci 20:36
@CreativeEdu you gain skills 2 (eg sci). but facts easier to check in
formal exams vs skills demo'ed over time eg apprenticeship
#ukedchat
missmclachlan 20:36
#ukedchat @CreativeEdu what about those subjects that do both
skills and content? Languages, is that somewhere in the middle?
Academic??
ePaceonline 20:36
#ukedchat Is it more important to teach pupils how to find
information and access what they need to know?
hrogerson 20:36
@GaryH2UK #ukedchat Interesting you say that: had a talk by a guy
who said we teach what we can test: assessment drives the
curriculum.
mattbuxton10 20:36
@PivotalEllie Absolutely, "perceptions reflect own schooling";
where have we heard that before?!?!? #ukedchat
bellaale 20:36
RT @hrogerson: @TimothyRaybould #ukedchat I agree - I think that
lots of parents pushed their children into EBacc, not realising the
possible impact.
mattpearson 20:36
@ePaceonline I think facts are overrated, facts are now at our
finger tips when we want them #ukedchat
deerwood 20:36
@ePaceonline or even is there such a thing as a 'fact' anymore?
#ukedchat
jamesmichie 20:36
@deerwood Yes, even PE. Lot to be learned about perseverance on
the playing field. Much needed quality for lifelong learning.
#ukedchat
mikeatedji 20:36
@teachingofsci #ukedchat I wdnt agree with that
definition...e.g.philosophy?
Stephen_Logan 20:36
@bellaale not good at mutli-tasking but don't want to miss
#ukedchat
bellaale 20:36
RT @mr_chadwick: RT @kalinski1970: @mattpearson I felt I was
very close in creating that curriculum until Gove #ukedchat > don't
let HIM stop you.
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SheliBB 20:36
misshbond Yes - skills based curriculum - including social and life
skills. So important. #ukedchat get rid of separate subjects
johnmayo 20:37 Can we teach wisdom? #ukedchat
ChrisMartinE1 20:37 @deerwood @epaceonline Yes there are facts. #ukedchat
ePaceonline 20:37
@mattpearson Agreed, we need to be able to teach how to
question - especially the media, and make decisions with thought#ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:37
@TimothyRaybould but that might be Maths or it might be
hairdressing... #ukedchat
mikeatedji 20:37
@GaryH2UK #ukedchat Think its a question of habitual practice.
Skills/attitudes/habits of mind are slow burners
JOHNSAYERS 20:37
@ePaceonline: #ukedchat Is there a place any more for
learning 'facts' when we are surrounded with sources of instant
information? NO
johnmayo 20:37
1 thing that we need to teach more is presentation/communication
skills. It is so hard for teenager 2 stand up infront of peers#ukedchat
maz_blaze90 20:37
RT @SheliBB: misshbond Yes - skills based curriculum - including
social and life skills. So important. #ukedchat get rid of separate
subjects
deerwood 20:37
@jamesmichie phew, yes I agree and I suppose also being a team
player. #ukedchat
teachingofsci 20:38
@misshbond i disagree - soem facts are still needed, to use those
skills, gauge sources. question is where to draw line. #ukedchat
bellaale 20:38 RT @johnmayo: Can we teach wisdom? #ukedchat > gradually
oldandrewuk 20:38
@misshbond Funnily enough most children can already do all of
those things. Better to teach them what they don't know or can't
do. #ukedchat
jamesmichie 20:38
@CreativeEdu Ultimately skills but knowledge is a useful path to
learning/improving skills. #ukedchat
mattbuxton10 20:38
@ChrisMartinE1 are you saying that the study of Art doesn't
require the interpretation of sources?? #ukedchat
pivotalpaul 20:38
#ukedchat my 8 year old can find facts, sift data, avoid dodgy sites
etc. We don't need teachers for facts, their role is far more imp
mattpearson 20:38
@johnmayo we can take out Shakespeare to make room for it
*ducks* #ukedchat
apieceoflisa 20:38
Some subjects require key knowledge but it's knowing how to apply
this knowledge that will take a learner forward #ukedchat
mr_chadwick 20:38
All indications are we're going to get a knowledge based curriculum
- we all know that's wrong - are we going to do it? #ukedchat
RachelOrr 20:38
#ukedchat how often do we include areas that employers ask for =
presentation, inter and intra-personal skills - we put other thingsfirst.
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Anna_Kaya 20:38
RT @Creativeedu: which is more important? knowledge or skills?
#ukedchat
TheHeadsOffice 20:38 What a bout teaching philosophy? #ukedchat
misshbond 20:38
RT @ePaceonline: #ukedchat Is there a place any more for learning
'facts' when we are surrounded with sources of instant
information? NO
dughall 20:38RT @TheHeadsOffice: @RachelOrr IMHO EYFS have got it right!#ukedchat
mattpearson 20:38
@johnmayo there's plenty of adults i know he need serious
presentation skills, it should be taught at school I think #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:38 which is more important? knowledge or skills? #ukedchat
jamesmichie 20:38
@deerwood Absolutely and also knowing when to take command.
#ukedchat
bevevans22 20:38
RT @ePaceonline: #ukedchat Is there place any more for learning
'facts' when we're surrounded with sources of instant info?-
interesting...
bevevans22 20:39
Come on then people. just about 20 minutes left to discuss why
some subjects are considered more worthy than others...#ukedchat
deerwood 20:39
@ePaceonline yes and the more access pupils have to info, the
more exposed they are to diff interpretations #ukedchat
bellaale 20:39
RT @TimothyRaybould: @PivotalEllie breaking the cycle? is it
possible with secretaries of state with zero experience of working
in education? #ukedchat
TheHeadsOffice 20:39 @apieceoflisa Application is key #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:39
RT @dughall: RT @TheHeadsOffice: @RachelOrr IMHO EYFS have
got it right! #ukedchat
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deerwood 20:39
@ChrisMartinE1 are there? Or are they assumptions we make
based on past experience. This is getting into Dughall's field of phil
#ukedchat
bellaale 20:39
RT @Anna_Kaya: RT @Creativeedu: which is more important?
knowledge or skills? #ukedchat > balance
mikeatedji 20:39@teachingofsci Fair enough. philosophy increasingly common inprimary now P4C/critical thinking exercises...good thing #ukedchat
bevevans22 20:39
@johnmayo You're right in that, but could also be a confidence or
self image thing. They're at that 'funny' age (aren't we all)
#ukedchat
ePaceonline 20:39
@deerwood #ukedchat again an interesting thought - they are
always open to interpretation aren't they?
hrogerson 20:40
@pivotalpaul " my 8 year old can find facts, sift data," My year 7
group couldn't do that today. #ukedchat
dughall 20:40
RT @TheHeadsOffice: What about teaching philosophy? #ukedchat
Yep! Absobloominlutely! #P4C @saraloisstanley
SheliBB 20:40
@mr_chadwick stamp our feet, stick together and fight against it
#ukedchat
bevevans22 20:40
RT @jackieschneider: #ukedchat - have music teachers made case
that denying kids access to music education destroys a part of the
soul? -no
victhedaddy 20:40
@bevevans22 @deerwood #ukedchat I had a friend got tpp marks
in mechanics, put a spanner in his hand and he was useless his
words not mine
kalinski1970 20:40
@mattpearson dream still on but ebacc killed my lovely wide
academic curriculum...lead foundation learning school next year
#ukedchat
oldandrewuk 20:40 @GaryH2UK Why are jobs in the future unknown? #ukedchat
teachingofsci 20:40
#ukedchat i'm going to have to quit, son shouting 'Bob the builder'
at top of voice next door. next week...
TheHeadsOffice 20:40 Is different knowledge more or less useful? #ukedchat
PivotalEllie 20:40
@TimothyRaybould #ukedchat Er, no probably not. At least not on
a large scale. Start a mini-revolution in your own school.
RachelOrr 20:40
#ukedchat been teaching 19 years and since lit strat of 1998 came
in - don't think I have followed a lit hour to this day - never met
needs
ChrisMartinE1 20:40
#ukedchat Is there no longer place for knowing things in education?
This chat is far too skills based. Something if a balance is required
Creativeedu 20:41
funnily enough I can hear one of my girls playing loudly too...
sleeping??? @teachingofsci #ukedchat
mattpearson 20:41
@teachingofsci no probs, just remind him that manual labour is not
seen as highvalue in society, Bob the lawyer would be better
#ukedchat
mr_chadwick 20:41
RT @CreativeEdu: @RachelOrr IMHO EYFS have got it right!#ukedchat That's because it's true
every week!
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pivotalpaul 20:41
@ChrisMartinE1 #ukedchat children don't need teachers to deliver
'facts' @GaryH2UK give it a year :)
TimothyRaybould 20:41 aahh, i keep forgetting the hastag #ukedchat
sh_hanes 20:41
@johnmayo @bevevans22 #ukedchat I did junior cert etc but teach
in Wales now!
mikeatedji 20:41
@CreativeEdu #ukedchat surely a balance of skills, facts with
attitudes being third corner of triangle
Stephen_Logan 20:41
RT @jamesmichie: RT @CreativeEdu: What's the most important
thing we can teach our learners? #ukedchat
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mooshtang 20:43
Personally I think some have gone too far with this skills thing- you
need a balance of knowledge and skills #ukedchat
sh_hanes 20:43
#ukedchat as a ucas reference writer, can I just say options may be
chosen to suit course requirements, not for the love of them!
mattpearson 20:43
@JOHNSAYERS and how many secretaries of state, pretty sureGove's latest speech on maths was based on wikipedia sources
#ukedchat
mikeatedji 20:43
RT @pivotalpaul: #ukedchat my 8 year old can find facts, sift data,
avoid dodgy sites etc. We don't need teachers for facts, their role is
far more imp
jackieschneider 20:43 @bevevans22 - well in that case, maybe I should! #ukedchat
PivotalEllie 20:43
@TimothyRaybould #ukedchat Good for you. We are campaigning
on a government level so are doing our best for a maxi-revolution!
ePaceonline 20:43
RT @mattpearson: @ePaceonline I think facts are overrated, facts
are now at our finger tips when we want them #ukedchat >>Indeed
deerwood 20:43
@ChrisMartinE1 he was assassinated, he was murdered, in
Ethiopian calendar it wasn't 1963 .. All interpretations #ukedchat
TimothyRaybould 20:43
RT @JOHNSAYERS: @ePaceonline: #ukedchat Is there a place
any more for learning 'facts' when we are surrounded with sources
of instant information? NO
PivotalEllie 20:44
@mikeatedji #ukedchat Yes, teach what to do with the facts & how
to know if they are facts. Have mental image of fog farting now.
deerwood 20:44
@mooshtang skills? What are they? Isn't all education about
knowledge? #devilsadvocate #ukedchat
TimothyRaybould 20:44 @PivotalEllie I'll join any positive educational revolution! #ukedchat
jackieschneider 20:44 @JOHNSAYERS - not me #ukedchat
TheHeadsOffice 20:44
RT @mooshtang: Personally I think some have gone too far with
this skills thing- you need a balance of knowledge and skills
#ukedchat >Yep!
bevevans22 20:44
@JOHNSAYERS You just made me laugh out loud!!! #ukedchat has
comedy value!
bellaale 20:44
We are in middle of Y9 "enrichment week" - life skills, project work,
etiquette, preso skills etc. Very well-received by kids #ukedchat
SheliBB 20:44
@mr_chadwick @CreativeEdu @RachelOrr the 'new curriculum'
*was* looking good ... #ukedchat
ePaceonline 20:44
#ukedchat I think how we apply ourselves is more important than
learning facts...unless you are entering a pub quiz!!!
hrogerson 20:44
@bevevans22 Interesting question: we want to develop"something" for post-16 to develop skills and support them in some
way. #ukedchat
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anhalf 20:44
RT @mooshtang: Personally I think some have gone too far with
this skills thing- you need a balance of knowledge and skills
#ukedchat
mr_chadwick 20:44 Sticking together will be very important #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:44
maybe we need a #ukedchat on 'the EYFS curriculum should be
applied upto age 19' discuss... as we all seem to think so?
PivotalEllie 20:44
RT @ePaceonline: RT @mattpearson: @ePaceonline I think facts
are overrated, facts are now at our finger tips when we want them
#ukedchat >>Indeed
anhalf 20:44
@bevevans22 regular enrichment weeks are fab way to keep
creativity no matter what the curriculum is #ukedchat
misshbond 20:44
@teachingofsci That's very true. Necessary facts rather than
saturating brains with useless ones just for exam purposed
#ukedchat
TheHeadsOffice 20:45
RT @TimothyRaybould: @PivotalEllie I'll join any positive
educational revolution! #ukedchat >Me Too!
jackieschneider 20:45
@dughall @TheHeadsOffice @saraloisstanley - think we should
develop a philosophical method for dealing with ALL subjects
#ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:45
RT @ePaceonline: #ukedchat I think how we apply ourselves is
more important than learning facts...unless you are entering a pub
quiz!!!
RachelOrr 20:45
#ukedchat we have written school reports with arts, sciences and
humanities - too cross curricular to report on discrete subject
headings
bellaale 20:45
RT @TheHeadsOffice: RT @mooshtang: Personally I think some
have gone too far with this skills thing- you need a balance of
knowledge and skills #ukedchat >Yep!
mr_chadwick 20:45
RT @SheliBB: @mr_chadwick @CreativeEdu @RachelOrr the 'new
curriculum' *was* looking good ... #ukedchat > Yes.
PivotalEllie 20:45 @TimothyRaybould #ukedchat Brilliant. You're IN!
Creativeedu 20:45
@sh_hanes so true, my psych degree insisted on a level maths, I
didn't have it but wangled a place... then failed all the stats!
#ukedchat
anhalf 20:45
@mooshtang agreed; you can't apply the skills without the
knowledge (altho can get into chicken and egg thinking here?!)
#ukedchat
mooshtang 20:45
Some subjects e.g. science need a body of knowledge for you to
hypothesise and experiment i.e. apply the knowledge #ukedchat
misshbond 20:45
RT @epaceonline: #ukedchat I think how we apply ourselves is
more important than learning facts...unless you are entering a pub
quiz!!!
ChrisMartinE1 20:46
@ePaceonline @mattpearson But facts aren't at your fingertips
when you're conversing with people. #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:46
RT @TheHeadsOffice: RT @TimothyRaybould: @PivotalEllie I'll joinany positive educational revolution! #ukedchat >Me Too! >count
me in!
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bevevans22 20:46
@anhalf We have enrichment weeks focussing on skills that are
important for all citizens as they grow- most recent one was money
#ukedchat
johnmayo 20:46
#ukedchat I get phone calls to join quiz teams due to history
knowledge. Feel so used -they just want me for my brain
anhalf 20:46@mooshtang science needs lots of investigation and exploration tosupport the knowledge tho #ukedchat
PivotalEllie 20:46 @TheHeadsOffice #ukedchat Great. You're IN too!
mikeatedji 20:46 @PivotalEllie #ukedchat sorry
JOHNSAYERS 20:46
learn geography! Learn about human interaction, physical
processes, English, maths/statistical skills, empathy, history,art
#ukedchat
thesmoosch 20:46
@CreativeEdu: which is more important? knowledge or skills?
#ukedchat Do we really have to choose?
pivotalpaul 20:46@pipkinzoo #ukedchat teach them how to learn independently,drill routines for learning and slowly let them sail
SheliBB 20:46
@ePaceonline yes - because anything in a pub quiz can be found
out if you know how to do a google search! #ukedchat
bellaale 20:46 #Ebacc = national pub quiz. Nice image #ukedchat
hrogerson 20:47
#ukedchat Is it that some subjects develop/require a greater level
of skills, and this is why they are more highly regarded?
bellaale 20:47
RT @TheHeadsOffice RT @TimothyRaybould @PivotalEllie I'll join
any positive educational revolution! #ukedchat >Me 2! >count me
in! > &me! :)
PivotalEllie 20:47
#ukedchat Everyone can join the revolution! I'll try and formulate a
master plan!
johnmayo 20:47 @dughall old school quizzes - excuse the pun #ukedchat
mattbuxton10 20:47
I made a pasta b4, put in a load of stuff but had to know what to do
with them. Facts are the same; without skills r just mush!
#ukedchat
mattpearson 20:47 RT @bellaale: #Ebacc = national pub quiz. Nice image #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:47
@thesmoosch I like @mikeatedji's answer... knowledge skills and
attitude... #ukedchat
dughall 20:47 @johnmayo Don't they have smart phones? ;-) #ukedchat
bevevans22 20:47
RT @TheHeadsOffice: RT @TimothyRaybould: @PivotalEllie I'll join
any positive educational revolution! #ukedchat >Me Too! Let's all
join!
bevevans22 20:48
@dughall @johnmayo Have a friend who has travelled the world.
His geographical knowledge is amazing - always phoned on quiz
night #ukedchat
bellaale 20:48
RT @mattpearson RT @bellaale: #Ebacc = national pub quiz. Nice
image #ukedchat > could be combined with binge-drinking: we top
PISA for that
ChrisMartinE1 20:48
@mattbuxton10 And without facts you've got nothing to make and
you go hungry. #ukedchat
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muckyartist 20:48
RT @TimothyRaybould: #ukedchat somehow I think Twitter has
already allowed the start of a revolution. Most (ALL?) ideas
contrary to Gove and the DfE
misshbond 20:48 @richardmillwood Now that I totally agree with :0) #ukedchat
caroljallen 20:48
Too many to retweet so restarting: I'll join any positive educational
revolution! #ukedchat >Me Too! Let's all join!
mattpearson 20:48
@ChrisMartinE1 the people I converse with have given up asking
me when Henry the VII was born #ukedchat I always forget!!
KShaw1977 20:48
@CreativeEdu: maybe we need a #ukedchat on 'the EYFS
curriculum should be applied upto age 19' as we all seem to think
so? DEFINITELY!!!
TheHeadsOffice 20:48
RT @ChrisMartinE1: @ePaceonline @mattpearson But facts aren't
at your fingertips when you're conversing with people. #ukedchat
>Ah people!
TimothyRaybould 20:48
#ukedchat somehow I think Twitter has already allowed the start of
a revolution. Most (ALL?) ideas contrary to Gove and the DfE
mikeatedji 20:48
#ukedchat holocaust survivor said he was suspicious of education
cos he'd seen educ'd ppl commiting heinous crimes. Values must be
attached
hrogerson 20:49
@KShaw1977 @CreativeEdu bringing EYFS to secondary - you have
to bring the teachers with you.... good luck with that! :-) #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:49 @NatEdTrust can you explain the bidet effect???? #ukedchat
sh_hanes 20:49
@johnmayo we were the first year to sit the junior cert! Figure that
out History buff! #ukedchat
mattpearson 20:49
@TimothyRaybould twitter has mobilised popular democrative
opinion and amplified it in ways government does not understand
#ukedchat
mikeatedji 20:49
#ukedchat Facts important also to hook in pupils initially...obv not
drily delivered
JOHNSAYERS 20:49
Did a lesson about multiple intelligences today! Students had to
workout how I could mend my wonky wheel of smartness
#ukedchat
bellaale 20:49
RT @KShaw1977: @CreativeEdu: maybe we need a #ukedchat
on 'the EYFS curriculum should be applied upto age 19' as we all
seem to think so? DEFINITELY!!!
bellaale 20:49
RT @TimothyRaybould: #ukedchat somehow I think Twitter has
already allowed the start of a revolution. Most (ALL?) ideas
contrary to Gove and the DfE
oldandrewuk 20:49
RT @mooshtang: Personally I think some have gone too far with
this skills thing- you need a balance of knowledge and skills
#ukedchat
TheHeadsOffice 20:49
RT @PivotalEllie: #ukedchat All can join the revolution! I'll try and
formulate a master plan! > Don't forge (cont)http://deck.ly/~HJVXB
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TimothyRaybould 20:49
give me a smartphone with a data connection and I'll find any fact
with my fingertips in a conversation... #ukedchat
PivotalEllie 20:49
@KShaw1977 #ukedchat Ooh, that is a good idea. That is what we
are talking about, after all.
GaryH2UK 20:50
RT @Creativeedu: RT @mikeatedji: @CreativeEdu #ukedchat
surely a balance of skills, facts with attitudes being third corner of
triangle
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TheHeadsOffice 20:51
RT @mattpearson: @ChrisMartinE1 the people I converse with
have given up asking me when Henry the VII was born #ukedchat >
1491
misshbond 20:51
@oldandrewuk Maybe we should be trying to make them second
nature ie. teaching chn to be critical and reflective? #ukedchat
TimothyRaybould 20:52
RT @PivotalEllie: @TheHeadsOffice #ukedchat HA! Suggest youlook at what @pivotalpaul thinks about objectives & 3 part lesson
http://bit.ly/jkz0TS
bellaale 20:52
RT @JOHNSAYERS: I based it on smartness of words, numbers, self,
people, nature, body, music, picture. Aim to make rounded but
individual skills! #ukedchat
TheHeadsOffice 20:52
@hrogerson We linked with a secondary that was really keen to
find out the philosophy behind EYFS #ukedchat
mattpearson 20:52
@ChrisMartinE1 let's not get carried away with the fact thing, facts
are important, but should they dominate the curriculum?
#ukedchat
PivotalEllie 20:52
RT @pivotalpaul: @pipkinzoo absolutely, teachers are so much
more than facts machines, they inspire, motivate, reveal #ukedchat
bellaale 20:52
RT @TimothyRaybould: @mattpearson so true - GOVErnment is
seemingly unaware of the real thinking and thinkers in education
#ukedchat
apieceoflisa 20:52
Learning key facts sparks interest and makes the learning process
more fluid.#ukedchat
mikeatedji 20:52
RT @misshbond: @oldandrewuk Maybe we should be trying to
make them second nature ie. teaching chn to be critical and
reflective? #ukedchat
ChrisMartinE1 20:52
@TimothyRaybould It doesn't sound like a good conversation
though! #ukedchat
pivotalpaul 20:52
RT @PivotalEllie: @TheHeadsOffice #ukedchat HA! Suggest you
look at what @pivotalpaul thinks about objectives & 3 part lesson
http://bit.ly/jkz0TS
RachelOrr 20:53
RT @TimothyRaybould: @mattpearson GOVErnment is seemingly
unaware of the real thinking and thinkers in education #ukedchat -
misGOVErned!!!!
muckyartist 20:53
RT @mattbuxton10: I'm a History teacher, but who am I to say that
History is more important than art/business/RE etc if a kid loves
art/business/RE? #ukedchat
mattpearson 20:53
Can anyone explain Newton's law of thermodynamics to me? Gove
thinks it important we teach this #ukedchat
JOHNSAYERS 20:53 @jackieschneider still wish I was a chef:) #ukedchat
sh_hanes 20:53
RT @pivotalpaul: @pipkinzoo absolutely, teachers are so much
more than facts machines, they inspire, motivate, reveal #ukedchat
ePaceonline 20:53 @ChrisMartinE1 I know!! #ukedchat
bellaale 20:54RT @muckyartist: RT @ukedchat: RT @GaryH2UK: #ukedchat ...We value the measurable because we cant measure the valuable
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bevevans22 20:54 Apologies for my short absence. computer said 'no' #ukedchat
mikeatedji 20:54
@mattpearson #ukedchat it is important to teach it with a view to
applying it for the common good/sustainable living etc (soz to harp
on)
Creativeedu 20:54
did YOU ever make subject choices you now regret because of
pressure from teachers / parents. I did... #ukedchat
oldandrewuk 20:54
@mattpearson #ukedchat Did he say that or did the Guardian mess
up the punctuation?
bellaale 20:54
RT @hrogerson: #ukedchat It is interesting that in science the
students don't need to remember any of the equations anymore.
Given in the formula sheet.
Stephen_Logan 20:54
RT @pivotalpaul: @pipkinzoo absolutely, teachers are so much
more than facts machines, they inspire, motivate, reveal #ukedchat
SheliBB 20:54
@hrogerson reading/playing music is very highly skilled.Just don't
get enough time to show it's valued,compared to maths & English#ukedchat
muckyartist 20:54
RT @ukedchat: RT @GaryH2UK: #ukedchat ... We value the
measureable because we cant measure the valuable
hrogerson 20:54
#ukedchat It is interesting that in science the students don't need
to remember any of the equations anymore. Given in the formula
sheet.
PivotalEllie 20:55
RT @bellaale: RT @muckyartist: RT @ukedchat: RT @GaryH2UK:
#ukedchat ... We value the measurable because we cant measure
the valuable
sh_hanes 20:55
rt@Creativeedu: did YOU ever make subject choices you now
regret because of pressure from teachers / parents. I did...
#ukedchat ME TOO
bevevans22 20:55
Final thoughts on tonight's topic please? Why are some subjects
considered more worthy than others? #ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:55
RT @mattpearson: comes up all the time in the workplace...
#ukedchat
dughall 20:55 @mattpearson Einsteins theory of evolution? #ukedchat
mattbuxton10 20:55
'Facts' r also so subjective, they NEED skills to be critical. History
develops this, but so does/should every other subject #ukedchat
Mallrat_uk 20:55
Just before you all go, anyone have a good organisational tip?
(preferably for iPad)? Need help to organise my time next year!
#ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:55
RT @JOHNSAYERS: @jackieschneider still wish I was a chef:)
#ukedchat
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PivotalEllie 20:56
@CreativeEdu #ukedchat Not really. But I did make choices based
on which teachers I liked/wanted to learn with and those were
GOOD choices
TheHeadsOffice 20:56
@Creativeedu I wanted to do eng, biology & hist but they said no!
Wrong mix! #ukedchat
JOHNSAYERS 20:56
Well the latest Democrat candidate for 2012 presidency wants to
bring back creation theory to science lessons. #ukedchat we havehope yet!
mattpearson 20:56
@dughall Einstein's theory of evolution is good, apparently he
rolled dice and created animals based on the numbers #ukedchat
oldandrewuk 20:56
@GaryH2UK @RachelOrr Oh not that one. Blogged about it here:
http://t.co/jQRH7Tt Myth 3 (We've also seen myth 1 tonight)
#ukedchat
Mallrat_uk 20:56
@CreativeEdu I make it a policy never to regret anything,
everything I have done made me the person I am, and I like me!
#ukedchat
jamesmichie 20:56
@CreativeEdu Yes, was made to take French (Got a D), wanted to
take Home Ec (Would have got an A). :-/ #ukedchat
hrogerson 20:56
@TheHeadsOffice That sounds great: I think secondary could learn
a lot from primary. But it will be a long hard slog. #ukedchat
GaryH2UK 20:57
@oldandrewuk search you tube for shift happens. In 20 years time
most jobs will be jobs that havr not been invented yet #ukedchat
sh_hanes 20:57
@jamesmichie @creativeedu #ukedchat I was made to take
German unstead of Home Ec. Still can't cook or sew! Can't speak G
either!
deerwood 20:57
@CreativeEdu I wanted to do computers but they hadn't been
invented yet #ukedchat .. That's more serious than it seems
oldandrewuk 20:57
@ePaceonline #ukedchat I don't mean to be rude here, but isn't
that meaningless jargon?
TheHeadsOffice 20:57
@bevevans22 They are easier to assess in a test situation
#ukedchat
TimothyRaybould 20:57
@CreativeEdu I wanted to take Drama, but "they" made me take
Art. Got a D. #ukedchat
jennitonic80 20:57
Missing #ukedchat at theatre reviewing pilgrims story. Will catch up
with overview later x
bevevans22 20:57
RT @Langnut: #ukedchat Some of my students tell me there's an
app for translating into French so why learn it at school. -
ARRRRGGGHHH!
bellaale 20:57
RT @bevevans22 Final thoughts on 2night's topic please? Y R some
subjects considered more worth(y) than others? #ukedchat > cos
money talks!
johnmayo 20:57 @mattpearson #ukedchat that explains Tues night ep. of Luther :-)Creativeedu 20:58 @deerwood It doesn't seem very serious! #ukedchat
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mikeatedji 20:58
#ukedchat @Langnut but current employment requirements may
be leading us down a path = not for common good...GDP growth
not all positive
ClaireJoanne35 20:58 @Langnut Fair point! #ukedchat
pivotalpaul 20:58
@TimothyRaybould @CreativeEdu never too late to walk the
boards....#ukedchat
jamesmichie 20:58
RT @deerwood: @CreativeEdu I wanted to do computers but theyhadn't been invented yet #ukedchat .. That's more serious than it
seems
muckyartist 20:58
@hrogerson: #ukedchat I think that lots of parents pushed their
children into EBacc, not realising the possible impact. We pick up
pieces...
ePaceonline 20:58 @oldandrewuk #ukedchat could be...glad you questioned it!!
AntHeald 20:58
I reacted *against* pressure from teachers in my subject choices,
otherwise I'd have been some kind of physicist now #ukedchatChrisMartinE1 20:58 @Mallrat_uk @creativeedu Anything?! #ukedchat
anhalf 20:58
@bevevans22 peer/parent preconceptions maybe? our job to try
to make ALL subs meaningful and relevant...#ukedchat
misshbond 20:58
#ukedchat At the end of the day sadly much of it is about
reputation. Just like the stereotypes in life, they may not go
anytime soon :0(
Creativeedu 20:58
I was banned from taking art but really wanted to!
@TimothyRaybould #ukedchat
PivotalEllie 20:58
@bevevans22 #ukedchat No, no subject is more worthy, but skills
are more worthy than facts.
deerwood 20:59 'our kids needs' ... How drunk am I ? Sorry bout that #ukedchat
bellaale 20:59
RT @Creativeedu: RT @oldandrewuk: @ePaceonline #ukedchat I
don't mean to be rude here, but isn't that meaningless jargon?
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svanstraten 20:59
@dughall Interesting, I did a PGCE in Classics in 2002. Have since
taught English, Media and ICT, plus General Studies. #ukedchat
ChrisMartinE1 21:00
@Creativeedu @oldandrewuk @epaceonline In what way was it
not meaningless jargon? #ukedchat
sh_hanes 21:00 #ukedchat thanks @bevevans22 really enjoyed that!
ukedchat 21:00@ePaceonline You'll be able to host #ukedchat again one day, ifyou like ;-)
dughall 21:00
@svanstraten Now *that* is interesting! Good for you! :-)
#ukedchat
bevevans22 21:00
And that's your lot! Hope you've enjoyed tonight's #ukedchat. I
have a feeling this might carry on...
mikeatedji 21:00
#ukedchat We need critical thinking to avoid repeating mistakes of
past and developing solutions for the future (fairy just died)
PivotalEllie 21:01
@bevevans22 #ukedchat Thanks very much for hosting tonight.
Another great debate!RachelOrr 21:01 RT @dughall: @bevevans22 Nice one! :-) #ukedchat agreed
dughall 21:01 @bevevans22 Nice one! :-) #ukedchat
ePaceonline 21:01
#ukedchat Hey Bev another excellent debate, thank you very much
for hosting.
Creativeedu 21:01
RT @ukedchat: @ePaceonline You'll be able to host #ukedchat
again one day, if you like ;-)
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mattpearson 21:02
sorry link to the picture is http://yfrog.com/h8zz1iqj #ukedchat
Michael Gove visits a primary school @CreativeEdu
oldandrewuk 21:02
RT @ChrisMartinE1: @Creativeedu @oldandrewuk @epaceonline
In what way was it not meaningless jargon? #ukedchat
Creativeedu 21:02thanks @bevevans22 for great #ukedchat hosting despite computerrepeatedly saying NO! ;-)
oldandrewuk 21:02