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#ukedchat 16 September 2010

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dailydenouement 19:55:00

May be more of a watcher/lurker than active participant in

#ukedchat tonight. Am recovering from a day-long migraine so

head's a bit fuzzed!

dawnhallybone 19:56:00 cat is settling in for #ukedchat too http://yfrog.com/msoalgj

Joga5 19:57:00one minute to go before we start the boys and girls discussion in

tonight's #ukedchat

ianaddison 19:57:00RT @colport: 5 minutes until #ukedchat with @Joga5 - Interesting

Boys V Girls Learning debate

ForesterJo 19:58:00 #ukedchat - interesting topic!

simcloughlin 19:58:00 Tweets unprotected! #ukedchat

Joga5 19:58:00So the question is What is different between the ways in which boys

and girls learn? Does it really matter? #ukedchat

didactylos 19:59:00#ukedchat it certainly matters, for many years I firmly believed the

orthodoxy we were all equal, no longer do i believe that

Joga5 19:59:00Shall we start with five minutes of setting of personal views on the

differences first and then move on to strategies? #ukedchat

didactylos 19:59:00#ukedchat guess we are going to be talking about maturity, culture,

gender and sociological differences

katie_hague 20:00:00I think difference must matter given consistent analysis that shows

gender gaps in performances of particular subjects. #ukedchat

Joga5 20:00:00@didactylos was there one incident or experience which brought

about the change in view #ukedchat

DuncanTigerHero 20:00:00

@Joga5 thanks - look forward to it. #ukedchat, Boys are silly and

immature, unorganised. Girls are a distraction but all are individuals

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MrsThorne 20:03:00

#ukedchat We've got a big discrepancy in girls/boys performance at

GCSE: approaching 20%. Suggests only 1 in 3 of our boys get 5+ A*-

C, BAD!

Joga5 20:03:00@kvnmcl but is that difference a norm of society that they learn

from what they experience in class? #ukedchat

DeputyMitchell 20:03:00I find that the boys I teach engage probably better than the girls! Is

that because I'm the only man in the village? #ukedchat

cjs76 20:03:00#ukedchat very general, but girls appearing more reluctant to take

risks and make mistakes.

TheHeadsOffice 20:03:00@squiggle7 @Joga5 Expectations can play such a big part in any

learning #ukedchat

deerwood 20:03:00 @kvnmcl but isn't that just gender stereotyping #ukedchat

squiggle7 20:03:00if there are differences in learning there are most likely differences

in male/female teaching methods #ukedchat

cloud_burst 20:03:00maturity is a major factor, a lot of boys seem to take longer to

become independent learners #ukedchat

colport 20:03:00I feel sorry for boys who are in school full of females. They need a

positive male role-model ;-) #ukedchat

tonycassidy 20:03:00RT @didactylos: #ukedchat key question is mentally are there clear

differences in female/male approaches, or is there a spectrum?

ForesterJo 20:03:00#ukedchat - IMO younger boys need to be a lot more physical active

and would appear to show more obvious competitive streak

deerwood 20:04:00Is there not a pygmalion risk here .. if we believe boys and girls learn

differently, then that's what we see? #ukedchat

DeputyMitchell 20:04:00 I'm talking Primary school (last tweet!) #ukedchat

TheHeadsOffice 20:04:00 @kvnmcl Glad I'm not a tom boy! #ukedchat

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bevevans22 20:04:00

@kvnmcl @ForesterJo Boys are very competitive. Also many seem

to prefer hands on /visual learning, girls like to talk things thru

#ukedchat

Sport_ed 20:04:00

From my experience, generally boys respond well to competition-

making this controlled and meaningful can be excellent motivator

#ukedchat

simcloughlin 20:04:00

@didactylos Not sure. I've found that some treat me very differently

to female teachers, even though I'm not remotely "blokey"

#ukedchat

DeputyMitchell 20:04:00If there were more male teachers than female, would the problem

be reversed? #ukedchat

DuncanTigerHero 20:04:00

#ukedchat Generally boys love competition, and kinaesthetic

activities. Girls tend to like language. But girls fly under my radar

#ukedchat

didactylos 20:04:00@Joga5 #ukedchat no I came through the battle for equality in the

60's and 70's now realise we are all differently equal!

cleverfiend 20:04:00I think the home life can affect pupils' relationships with teachers -

lack of a male/female role model varies family to family #ukedchat

bevevans22 20:05:00

@DeputyMitchell @colport We've got very few male teachers but

boys seem to respond to me okay. Is it because of the tech?

#ukedchat

dawnhallybone 20:05:00boys / girls - they are all children who have their own learning needs

regardless of what 'sex' they are #ukedchat

colport 20:05:00@DeputyMitchell No...I think girls respond positively to the male

figures at school as well #ukedchat

familysimpson 20:05:00Giving #ukedchat a miss tonight as just back from LONG day

travelling. Started at 4am. Bleh. Wine! Enjoy!

kvnmcl 20:05:00

@deerwood from my percieved objective it's apparent,that's from

two different cultures Spain and England. There's crossover

#ukedchat

tonycassidy 20:06:00I think its difficult to talk about groups, it's too complex, what works

for one, will not for another #ukedchat

kvnmcl 20:06:00

@Joga5 It could be, I don't stereotype in class but you do see it

happen as the children get older, patterns develop #ukedchat

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DeputyMitchell 20:06:00But IMO girls react in a very positive way to boy led initiatives.

#ukedchat

MrsThorne 20:06:00

RT @DuncanTigerHero Generally boys love competition, and

kinaesthetic activities. Girls tend to like language #ukedchat <--

Agree

Joga5 20:06:00

RT @TheHeadsOffice: Expectations play a part when it concerns the

gender of the teacher. Male is considered to be more active

#ukedchat

cjs76 20:06:00#ukedchat are boys more susceptible to a lack of a father figure.

How do girls cope in comparison?

katie_hague 20:06:00

@didactylos #ukedchat I think that depends how they're taught.

Looking at trad approaches, probably yes but if using range of

approaches,no!

TheHeadsOffice 20:06:00Expectations play a part when it concerns the gender of the teacher.

Male is considered to be more active #ukedchat

Joga5 20:07:00OK first question? Do girls in primary schools ever experience 'girl

friendly texts' in literacy? #ukedchat

Cgeo28 20:07:00#ukedchat - we trialled an all boys class and an all girls class at Year

9 in our mixed sec school. I didn't like the class dynamic

stevebunce 20:07:00

#ukedchat met an NQT today who I taught 10yrs ago. He was

trouble in school,but his older sister an angel. He was always

compared with her.

TheHeadsOffice 20:07:00 @simcloughlin Describe 'blokey' please! #ukedchat

didactylos 20:07:00

#ukedchat are the labels girl and boy too simplistic? Research now

suggests we all have proportions of female and male to our

characters

bevevans22 20:07:00@dawnhallybone You're right of course, but there are differences -

maybe it's more a maturity thing #ukedchat

dawnhallybone 20:07:00topic of cars and Karting based on F1 engaged both boys and girls -

good to see role of women in perceived male envt #ukedchat

NSRiazat 20:07:00

@deerwood Yes agree #ukedchat - belief and expectations. If we

emphasise difference then can we can expect to see a difference ingender?

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amweston 20:07:00

RT @dawnhallybone: boys / girls - they are all children who have

their own learning needs regardless of what 'sex' they are

#ukedchat

Joga5 20:07:00@didactylos but some more differently equal than others? !!!

#ukedchat

TheHeadsOffice 20:07:00@DeputyMitchell I don't think the problem would disappear, it

would be a different problem! #ukedchat

dawnhallybone 20:08:00I am female - but played and coached rugby and football at

school/uni and I like to talk things through :) #ukedchat

squiggle7 20:08:00@Joga5 have done 'girl-friendly' texts before but really turned boys

off. #ukedchat

amweston 20:08:00@dawnhallybone agree I think sometimes society continues the

myth #ukedchat

didactylos 20:08:00@katie_hague yes maybe one size fits all is one end of the

spectrum, where true personalised learning is the other #ukedchat

colport 20:08:00

http://bit.ly/aeqDQh #ukedchat "Growing no. prim schls have no

male teachers, prompting fears that boys could be put off edu at

young age"

KnikiDavies 20:08:00#ukedchat Our MAST says in maths boys learn rules "it works cos it

does",girls need to fully understand to "get" how the method works.

TheHeadsOffice 20:08:00RT @deerwood: Is there not a pygmalion risk here .. if we believe

boys and girls learn differently, then that's what we see? #ukedchat

Cgeo28 20:09:00 #ukedchat - in my experience boys prefer fieldwork and LOTC

katie_hague 20:09:00#ukedchat In terms of progress, I've always had better results with

boys than girls. Could be due to tech but do get more out of boys.

colport 20:09:00

@deafdotty @bevevans22 It is a real challenge...but can understand

why many males do not want to go into primary teaching.

#ukedchat

simcloughlin 20:09:00

@TheHeadsOffice The teacher that runs the football team, chats to

the boys about sport etc. That sort of thing. #ukedchat

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KnikiDavies 20:10:00@Joga5 #ukedchat Firework Maker's Daughter - +ve female role

model?

KnikiDavies 20:11:00#ukedchat How do we improve boys' writing? Talk for writing -

drama - any other ideas that have worked? case studies?

katie_hague 20:11:00RT @scholaforis: Personally I'd go for personalised learning - one

size fits none #ukedchat . totally agree!

Cgeo28 20:11:00RT @didactylos: #ukedchat think age also has significance, moving

into secondary the 'courtship' displays intrude severely >>agree!

TheHeadsOffice 20:11:00@colport If boys have no male teachers how does that equate with

being put off? What about excellent female teachers? #ukedchat

colport 20:11:00Has anyone ever come across a 'boys only' primary school?

#ukedchat

deafdotty 20:11:00 @colport yes so can I - bit of a catch 22 #ukedchat

didactylos 20:11:00 @Joga5 #ukedchat exactly.... lol

tobyholman 20:11:00Are boys less mature than girls or perceived to be? Stereotyping can

be useful in places, but dangerous in others #ukedchat

marketspi 20:12:00@KnikiDavies I find the opposite with high achieving girls- they just

want to learn "the method", especially with maths #ukedchat

colport 20:12:00@TheHeadsOffice I am talking about a minority, who show a clear

distain towards females generally. #ukedchat

KnikiDavies 20:12:00

#ukedchat Some of what we are talking about here I think is more

to do with personality types a la Myers Briggs/Jung - rather than

boy/girl

bevevans22 20:12:00

If we assume there are no differences between boys & girls then

why are many behaviour units boy heavy? Same with autistic units.

#ukedchat

TheHeadsOffice 20:12:00

@simcloughlin Ah! Blokey! So, what is it about you that the boys

like & engage with? #ukedchat

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Catriona_O 20:12:00@scholaforis #ukedchat is what we need to discuss personalised

learning here?

colport 20:12:00@primarypete_ I would disagree. There are boy pupils who react

completely different to me, than my female colleagues. #ukedchat

Joga5 20:12:00 @TheHeadsOffice Didn't say we should!!!!! #ukedchat

amweston 20:12:00@Catriona_O Also a balance of different teaching styles to meet the

various learning styles #ukedchat

cjs76 20:12:00#ukedchat do social stereotypes create boundaries? Surely there is

no practical reason why there are less female engineers?

Joga5 20:13:00

RT @Mr_Thorne: regardless of gender, good progress is dependent

on the high expectations set by the classteacher, male or female

#ukedchat

dawnhallybone 20:13:00 we have used games to engage all writers #ukedchat

ForesterJo 20:13:00@bevevans22 likewise in Forest school-boys respond aswell as girls-

seems scope for all the chdn 2 learn their preferred style #ukedchat

Mr_Thorne 20:13:00regardless of gender, good progress is dependent on the high

expectations set by the classteacher, male or female #ukedchat

primarypete_ 20:14:00@colport think you're putting yourself down if think is mainly due to

ur gender. It's your rapier wit and engaging personality #ukedchat

scholaforis 20:14:00@ForesterJo now is that because it child initiated learning?

#ukedchat

dughall 20:14:00@colport Between the age of 8 and 11 I was in a boy-only class

(Private school). #ukedchat

Sport_ed 20:14:00From teaching all boys groups-engagement at the start of the lesson

vital-competitive starter activities excellent #ukedchat


@marketspi #ukedchat I used to be just that way myself at A level

maths. Didn't care how you work out sin30, just tried to memoriseit.

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tobyholman 20:14:00 @ianaddison The fear? #ukedchat

MrsThorne 20:14:00@KnikiDavies I've had most success with boys' writing when it's got

a creative element to it: storytelling in History, for eg #ukedchat

dughall 20:14:00 I'm late! Soz #ukedchat

didactylos 20:14:00#ukedchat are there some classes where the differences are greater

than others - just had a classic yr 5 today where it was very clear

squiggle7 20:14:00Anyone watching the Gareth Malone series on atm? Very interesting

experiment with boys #ukedchat

Catriona_O 20:14:00@bevevans22 there is a much higher chance that a male baby will

develop a disability than a female #ukedchat

bevevans22 20:14:00

@primarypete_ @colport Maybe it depends on area. Our boys have

very few male role models & crave attention from a male teacher

#ukedchat

ICTtower 20:14:00 @katie_hague Have had exact opposite result! #ukedchat

ianaddison 20:14:00Why aren't there more make primary teachers? Is it the workload or

the wages? Something else? #ukedchat

mark_wood 20:15:00

RT @bevevans22 Maybe it depends on area. Our boys have very

few male role models & crave attention from a male teacher

#ukedchat

marketspi 20:15:00

@bevevans22 is it because they suffer more from rules in school,

can't express emotions well? I don't know the answer btw!

#ukedchat

Joga5 20:15:00@dughall typical boy - comes late and apologises in slang!!!!!

#ukedchat

DianneSpencer 20:15:00

RT @simcloughlin: The teacher that runs the football team, chats to

boys about sport etc. #ukedchat >>Very sporty female teacher in

our sch.

carolrainbow 20:15:00

@colport Not caught up yet but I think the relationship between

teacher & pupil is key influence in progress regardless of gender#ukedchat

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TheHeadsOffice 20:16:00@ianaddison I had to make sure my male staff were aware of how

vulnerable they could be #ukedchat

freedman69 20:16:00 #ukedchat girls tends to gather more group momentum than boys

ForesterJo 20:16:00RT @scholaforis: @ForesterJo now is that because it child initiated

learning? #ukedchat Yes but also cos nature of teaching outside

DianneSpencer 20:16:00RT @katie_hague: #ukedchat In terms of progress, I've always had

better results with boys than girls. >>>Does this concern u Katie?

Arakwai 20:16:00

#ukedchat Have taught single sex classes in a mixed school. Feel

both genders benefit from being more able to target teaching style

to needs

altrudrama 20:16:00@mark_wood Agreed. Think male role models are so important

across all key stages. #ukedchat.

dughall 20:16:00 @Joga5 LOL!!!!!! #ukedchat

Cgeo28 20:16:00#ukedchat - does peer pressure affect boys more than girls in

school?

JfB57 20:16:00We are saying things like boys initiatives are competition, maths,

instant rewards. If we think girls don't like them is it us? #ukedchat

bevevans22 20:16:00

@Catriona_O I'm aware of that (have a disabled son & grandson)

but there must be something in it, & some behaviours develop later

#ukedchat


RT @MrsThorne: @KnikiDavies I've had most success with boys'

writing when it's got a creative element to it: storytelling in History,

for eg #ukedchat

freedman69 20:16:00Vital to maintain equal academic expectations for boys and girls

#ukedchat

colport 20:16:00@bevevans22 Indeed. It is so plain to see with some pupils (girls as

well) #ukedchat


@MrsThorne #ukedchat Great point, I also had great results with

boys writing "historical fiction" of their choice, eg story set in Romeetc

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dughall 20:16:00@ianaddison IMO, lack of male pri teachers is cos of the perceptions

around 'caring' professions cf nursing #ukedchat

Joga5 20:17:00RT @CHAR0ULA: boys are more easy going and casual about

learning #ukedchat >>> sometimes this can be a front though

mark_wood 20:17:00#ukedchat as a male teacher I do sometimes feel I'm bias towards

choosing more 'boyish' topics

aiafrate 20:17:00 late to #ukedchat sorry ;)


When I became a HT, the parents had to be shown that I could do

the job. They felt I was missing certain bits to be successful!

#ukedchat


RT @dawnhallybone: need for male role models in school same as

need for females in computing and engineering etc #ukedchat >>I

agree Dawn!

colport 20:17:00 @DeputyMitchell #ukedchat ;-)

SkoorBttaM 20:17:00@ianaddison Could it be the amount of times you get called 'miss'

each day?!! The new class are getting better :) #ukedchat

bevevans22 20:17:00

@marketspi I don't know the answers either. It could be an

emotional thing (although some girls are prone to bottling things

up) #ukedchat

CHAR0ULA 20:17:00 boys are more easy going and casual about learning #ukedchat

ForesterJo 20:18:00

RT @freedman69: #ukedchat girls tends to gather more group

momentum than boys - doesn't change when we get older for a lot

of us too!

Joga5 20:18:00@TheHeadsOffice was once informed in a govs meeting by Chair

that "we would be appointing a man for the next job!!" #ukedchat

Ideas_Factory 20:18:00#ukedchat Why have I got a 'sponsored' tweet always at the top of

my page-anyone else :^(


RT @colport: Has anyone ever come across a 'boys only' primary

school? #ukedchat >>Yes but only in the private sector

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aangeli 20:18:00'The Trouble with Boys' http://www.teachers.tv/videos/the-trouble-

with-boys #ukedchat


#ukedchat I'm generalising but I tend to find in literacy boys write to

"get the job done", girls more keen on improving- to please

teacher?

Cgeo28 20:18:00RT @CHAR0ULA: boys are more easy going and casual about

learning #ukedchat >> or like to make out that they are!

carolrainbow 20:18:00@ianaddison I think it is a lot to do with wages - it is hard to

envisage keeping a family and mortgage on primary pay #ukedchat


@ianaddison May also be to do with stereo typing & history, girls

deal with small children. Lots of young men don't mix with young

#ukedchat

TheHeadsOffice 20:19:00RT @Cgeo28: #ukedchat - does peer pressure affect boys more than

girls in school?>Depneds in what. Need to be seen to be cool

marketspi 20:19:00@Ideas_Factory yes! Finally got rid of darn thing! But don't know

how! #ukedchat

russellhawker 20:19:00

Males also have higher standard deviation of IQ >>@bevevans22

...higher chance that a male will develop a disability than a female

#ukedchat

dughall 20:19:00@Arakwai If teaching single-sex addresses different learning needs,

why not teach only by ability groups or learning style? #ukedchat

MrsThorne 20:19:00@SkoorBttaM If it makes you feel any better I get called Sir all the

time :) must be my husky tones #ukedchat

tonycassidy 20:19:00We live in a World with both sexes, shouldn't we be developing all

gender 'traits' /'strengths' #ukedchat

bevevans22 20:19:00

RT @Cgeo28: #ukedchat - does peer pressure affect boys more than

girls in school? <-- good point - maybe it's just a different peer

pressure


#ukedchat Do you think blogs would be very good for improving

boys' writing - writing needs to be good as will be read by wide

audience?

freedman69 20:20:00

#ukedchat too many stereotypes persist regarding gender divide in

education. Gd teaching benefits b+g. Don't concentrate on learningstyles!

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Mr_Thorne 20:20:00

RT @carolrainbow: @colport Not caught up yet but I think the

relationship between teacher & pupil is key influence in progress

regardless of gender #ukedchat

dughall 20:20:00

Girls: "Can we have another lunchtime session to help us talk

through the problem?' Boys: "Can't we shake on it and play footie?"

#ukedchat

bevevans22 20:20:00

I also think there can be clear differences in maturity when you have

summer-born boys - makes development differences obvious

#ukedchat

didactylos 20:20:00

@Cgeo28 #ukedchat in secondary boys are more likely to appear

disinterested in the lessons, but privately many work hard late at

night alone

missbrownsword 20:20:00there is such concern about engaging boys in reading and writing

that no one writes for girls any more which is a shame #ukedchat

TheHeadsOffice 20:20:00Is there more of the 'need to be seen to be cool' with girls in

secondary than primary? #ukedchat

colport 20:20:00@dughall I would like to see a boys only school in action - How do

their structure their curriculum? #ukedchat

ianaddison 20:20:00My teacher training course started with 15guys and ended with 4. I

was only one under 40! #ukedchat


@DianneSpencer Partly, though I've had more underperforming

boys arriving in my class than girls, so more scope for good progress.

#ukedchat


@missbrownsword #ukedchat I write (sci-fi) for girls! Trouble is

agents say it doesn't fit their list! Girls read boy books but not

v.versa!

didactylos 20:21:00@TheHeadsOffice #ukedchat thonk there's more of a studious

versus good time girl split in secondary

helenmew 20:21:00

Strong acad evidence innate gender differences real but small;

gendered society + peer pressure reinforce/drive difference

#ukedchat

squiggle7 20:21:00@KnikiDavies I'm hoping so. This was one reason for starting school

blog. #ukedchat

DeputyMitchell 20:21:00

We've a group of underperforming girls. Call them our 'Gel Pen

Girls'!!! Tidy, neat, smiley & if not careful stay under the radar!#ukedchat

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Joga5 20:21:00@missbrownsword they do write for girls but the books are not

always as well advertised - some great stuff out there #ukedchat

DianneSpencer 20:21:00#ukedchat Has anyone counted the number of tweets with the word

*boy* in compared to the word *girl* ???

ICTtower 20:21:00When giving examples, would be useful if we mentioned KS or

pri/sec please #ukedchat

aiafrate 20:21:00

feel I'm not getting as much from the girls in the class as boys need

to rethink my strategies to make them want to participate

#ukedchat

missbrownsword 20:22:00we have lots of those also! RT @DeputyMitchell: We've a group of

underperforming girls. #ukedchat

janwebb21 20:22:00@DeputyMitchell #ukedchat - my equivalents giggle and smile

instead of answering a question fully!

TweeterofWit 20:22:00

RT @freedman69: #ukedchat too many stereotypes persist

regarding gender divide in education. Gd teaching benefits b+g.

Don't concentrate on learning styles!

bartoneducation 20:22:00Boys love competition, girls love cooperation. Difficult to manage

both in classroom. #ukedchat

helenmew 20:22:00How do we avoid playing reinforcing stereotypes that may be linked

more to self-perpetuating peer pressures? #ukedchat

SkoorBttaM 20:22:00@MrsThorne Haha! At first it's a bit worrying but then you get used

to it. The best ones are when you get called 'mum'!! #ukedchat

Joga5 20:22:00OK so we seem to have come to a form of consensus that there are

differences -shall we move onto strategies for a while? #ukedchat

DianneSpencer 20:22:00#ukedchat I am a bit confused about topic? Is it about the

differences between boys and girls and their learning?

DeputyMitchell 20:22:00@bevevans22 I was born late spring!!! Would explain alot!! lol

#ukedchat


@KnikiDavies Theory that boys are better suited to exams - short &

over / girls to course work. Any 2dary teachers confirm? #ukedchat

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sellyeve 20:22:00Good practise for teaching boys usually is good practise for all.

#ukedchat

cleverfiend 20:22:00

it's interesting seeing the difference between boys and girls in BTEC

Science - girls respond better to coursework/project apprch

#ukedchat

bekios 20:22:00@aiafrate I find middle ability girls like to blend into background

#ukedchat

marketspi 20:22:00#ukedchat boys are more likely to exclaim loudly "this is too hard,

not doing it!" then when class is unsettled they secretly work on it.

dughall 20:22:00@colport I don't think the curriculum would/should be structured

differently. A curriculum should be a preparation for life. #ukedchat

missbrownsword 20:22:00@KnikiDavies I will try and answer that when I've finished my

dissertation! #ukedchat

janwebb21 20:22:00@ianaddison I had opposite prob when I did my degree - I was the

only girl on my course!! (not a teaching one - did PGCE) #ukedchat

colport 20:22:00@primarypete_ @carolrainbow I still maintain there are *some*

boys who react different to male tchers. No matter what! #ukedchat

Cgeo28 20:22:00#ukedchat - in diverse city schools cultural background also plays a

part in the differences

ICTtower 20:23:00@KnikiDavies Would love to read some! Where can I get hold of

some? #ukedchat

janwebb21 20:23:00 @carolrainbow #ukedchat absolutely agree @colport

didactylos 20:23:00

@TheHeadsOffice #ukedchat boys are motivated by last minute

deadlines and spurts of effort, girls work the long haul (30 yrs in

secondary)

curricadvocate 20:23:00 #ukedchat do ALL boys love competition??

colport 20:23:00

Does any1 understand what Gareth Mal is trying to achieve in his

prog? What about the negative attitudes from the female teachers?#ukedchat

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bevevans22 20:23:00RT @ianaddison: My teacher training course started with 15guys &

ended with 4. #ukedchat <-That says something. Not sure what!

Catriona_O 20:23:00

#ukedchat I think boys approach under pressure is different -1 of

spectrum- I think with pay differentials no matter how hard girls

try....

carolrainbow 20:23:00@colport Is it really male teachers or just different teachers?

Personality can make a huge difference too. #ukedchat

TheHeadsOffice 20:23:00 @Joga5 THat's clear then! What was your response?#ukedchat

bekios 20:23:00

RT @missbrownsword: there is such concern about engaging boys in

reading and writing that no one writes for girls any more which is a

shame #ukedchat

dughall 20:23:00@ianaddison I was one of 10 male trainees on a course of 140

#ukedchat

ICTtower 20:24:00

I agree. RT @colport: @primarypete_ @carolrainbow I still maintain

there are *some* boys who react different to male tchers.

#ukedchat

Arakwai 20:24:00@dughall #ukedchat Can't decide if the kinesthetic science group

would be my idea of heaven or hell ;-)

Catriona_O 20:24:00@carolrainbow the male teachers just being there as role models as

an argument is going nowhere. #ukedchat

primarypete_ 20:24:00

RT @Joga5: OK so we seem to have come to a form of consensus

that there are differences -shall we move onto strategies for a

while? #ukedchat

KnikiDavies 20:24:00@bartoneducation #ukedchat What about working in groups of 4?

Competition between groups but cooperation within group.

marketspi 20:24:00@bartoneducation how about when the class works in groups, mark

groups on criteria, incl collaboration, best group wins? ;) #ukedchat

didactylos 20:24:00@sellyeve #ukedchat good point the passive learning delivery has

worked with most girls simply because they tolerate it


Where do parent attitudes & expectations come into play?

#ukedchat

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colport 20:24:00

@DianneSpencer #ukedchat can go off on a tangent sometimes. I

have just mentioned Gareth's TV programme, as that looks at

learning #ukedchat

ForesterJo 20:24:00

@dughall I also think a curriculum should be structured around

celebrating who we are now! not always prep for later on -

#ukedchat

bevevans22 20:24:00So...what clear differences do people implement in teaching styles

and activities to get all engaged????? #ukedchat

dawnhallybone 20:24:00RT @Cgeo28: #ukedchat - in diverse city schools cultural background

also plays a part in the differences - agree big part

aiafrate 20:24:00

RT @DeputyMitchell: 'Gel Pen Girls'!!! Tidy, neat, smiley & if not

careful stay under the radar! <<yes! Know quite a few of those

#ukedchat

DrAshCasey 20:24:00@tonycassidy do kids select the traits that society values and aspire

to them...we need to change society #ukedchat

KnikiDavies 20:24:00@sellyeve #ukedchat Yes, we've said whatever we put in place to

improve boys' writing is almost certain to help the girls too!

bartoneducation 20:25:00RT @Joga5: I told him that I had seen plenty of poor male teachers

and we should look for quality first and penis second!! #ukedchat

dughall 20:25:00

@ForesterJo Fair comment. However, I would still maintain that

whether we had *all* girls or *all* boys, curriculum would be same.

#ukedchat


RT @ForesterJo: @dughall I also think a curriculum should be

structured around celebrating who we are now! not always prep for

later on - #ukedchat

bevevans22 20:25:00I'm going to be controversial. My stepson told me he tried not to act

'too clever' at school as it wasn't cool #ukedchat

DeputyMitchell 20:25:00@ianaddison We had 4 male trainee teachers on my course of 150.

Just terrible!!! #ukedchat

didactylos 20:25:00 @DrAshCasey #ukedchat ah well if that's all we have to do...grins

mark_wood 20:25:00

#ukedchat in a class of 24 there were only 6 girls, is this an issue?

Would u find this an issue? It is unfair to the children?

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Joga5 20:25:00I told him that I had seen plenty of poor male teachers and we

should look for quality first and penis second!! #ukedchat

curricadvocate 20:25:00#ukedchat so how do we turn these differences, percieved or actual

into positive actions in the classroom?

missbrownsword 20:25:00no, lots fear failure so hate it RT @curricadvocate: #ukedchat do ALL

boys love competition??

MrsThorne 20:26:00

@bartoneducation Managed a good competition/cooperation Y10

History lesson this week but it was a bit of a rollercoaster!

#ukedchat

helenmew 20:26:00




dughall 20:26:00 @Arakwai Ha ha! :-) #ukedchat

JfB57 20:26:00RT @bevevans22: So...what clear differences do people implement

in teaching styles and activities to get all engaged????? #ukedchat

curricadvocate 20:26:00@mark_wood i don't think it is - you just have to consider how to

use the strengths of the minority grouping to advantage #ukedchat

janwebb21 20:26:00 @bevevans22 too true #ukedchat

sellyeve 20:26:00although a generalisation boys perhaps more inclined to 'cut up

rough' if lessons v. passive #ukedchat

KnikiDavies 20:26:00@mark_wood #ukedchat Such a small number of either gender is

def going to limit friendships!

dukkhaboy 20:26:00

#ukedchat I teach at a sec mod girls school. There's a HUGE mix of

preferred learning styles in front of me each lesson Let's not

generalise

Cgeo28 20:27:00 #ukedchat - boys better at giving cover teachers the run around!

missbrownsword 20:27:00

I was once turned down for a primary job because they decided to

give it to (head's words) 'the only male candidate' #ukedchat

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Laura_987 20:27:00

A sch I know separated their GCSE Sci gps into girls/boys to remove

the 'showing off'. Behaviour better, no sig improv in grades

#ukedchat

KnikiDavies 20:27:00#ukedchat So far on strategies I have: drama, talk 4 writing, group

work, problem solving, historical writing... Anything new?

SkoorBttaM 20:27:00

Uni set up a group 4 male thers to meet together- called it 'male

support group'. They wer shocked when we said we hated the

name! #ukedchat

mrswaustin 20:27:00#ukedchat just joined so skimming through tweets. It's an

interesting one tonight!

marketspi 20:27:00@mark_wood in my year 11 class there are 5 girls, 29 boys. No idea

why! #ukedchat

DrAshCasey 20:27:00@didactylos #ukedchat we can start with the micro societies in

which we live and work.


RT @Joga5: .... and we should look for quality first and penis

second!! #ukedchat Hmm - must find the first part of this

conversation ;-)

tonycassidy 20:27:00@DrAshCasey mmm, one to ponder, but we seem to have

demonised certain 'masculine' traits #ukedchat

helenmew 20:28:00Would boys and girls BOTH benefit from the extension of play-based

curriculum much further up through into primary? #ukedchat

SkoorBttaM 20:28:00

RT @DeputyMitchell: We've a group of underperforming girls. Call

them our 'Gel Pen Girls'!!! Tidy, neat, smiley & if not careful stay

under the radar! #ukedchat


I had staff use the fact that they had a larger nos of boys in their

class the reason for poor results! Where does that come from?

#ukedchat

KnikiDavies 20:28:00#ukedchat Oh and forest schools/outdoor learning in general - a bit

more risk taking!

Catriona_O 20:28:00#ukedchat I'd like to unpick "personalised learning" a bit more. Lets

face it -schooling was set up at the very beginning for boys

aiafrate 20:28:00

RT @marketspi: @mark_wood in my year 11 class there are 5 girls,

29 boys. <<had similar numbers last yr found tough,girls did too#ukedchat

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Joga5 20:28:00 @bartoneducation He did the same with his tea!!! #ukedchat

carolrainbow 20:28:00@bevevans22 I can remember having this problem with really bright

boys - they would be called Nerd - hard to deal with! #ukedchat

janwebb21 20:28:00RT @mrswaustin: #ukedchat just joined so skimming through

tweets. It's an interesting one tonight!

ianaddison 20:28:00#ukedchat girls will happily do well in class, but is it cool for a boy to

be smart? Why isn't it a good thing?

mark_wood 20:28:00

#ukedchat does boy girl pairing work? Is there any evidence that

suggests whether this has positive/negative results? If so in what

areas?

ICTtower 20:28:00With regards to poor behaviour in Y7, is a lack of male teachers in

primary a contributing factor? #ukedchat

primarypete_ 20:28:00In Y1 - any suggestions for strategies to get boys to choose writing

activities / wanting to develop their writing skills? #ukedchat

curricadvocate 20:28:00@KnikiDavies this can be an issue that isn't only gender related in

our small schools. we had a yr grp with only 6 chn 4 boys #ukedchat

Joga5 20:28:00@bevevans as a Prim we looked at giving more time for speaking /

listening - drama - practical activities #ukedchat

curricadvocate 20:29:00@helenmew #ukedchat this would appear true if you look at

evidence from international studies.


RT @KnikiDavies: #ukedchat drama, talk 4 writing, group work,

problem solving, historical writing... Anything new? > All good! Add

Kagan

Joga5 20:29:00@helenmew Extension of play, role play up the school is highly

beneficial #ukedchat

fhesbusiness 20:29:00I related to a lot in this article esp girls better at multitasking

http://bit.ly/aLPHOp #ukedchat how should we plan for this?


@mark_wood #ukedchat Have been reading Kagan, suggests groups

of 4 with 2 girls/2 boys but not a 3:1 ratio as this inhibits girls eitherway

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TheHeadsOffice 20:29:00@DeputyMitchell I was the only girl doing A level economics. Token

girl as the results proved! #ukedchat

Mr_Thorne 20:29:00RT @tonycassidy: Teachers are a bit like locks- irrespective of

gender, you just just 'click' with some- #ukedchat

janwebb21 20:29:00

@mark_wood personal experience yesterday of a boy in tears

because he didn't want to be paired wiht a girl makes you think!

#ukedchat

curricadvocate 20:29:00

@missbrownsword #ukedchat TERRIBLE especially if you are the

best candidate. there is huge pressures on HTs to have male staff.

been there!

marketspi 20:29:00@missbrownsword have they heard of discrimination legislation?!

#ukedchat

didactylos 20:29:00#ukedchat to what extent should we be exploring their preferred

learning styles with them and explaining what's universally needed?

bevevans22 20:29:00

@dughall Not sure topics taught would be the same - I know

teachers with boy heavy classes who choose 'boy' topics repeatedly

#ukedchat

tonycassidy 20:29:00Teachers are a bit like locks- irrespective of gender, you just just

'click' with some- #ukedchat

Joga5 20:29:00@carolrainbow was once informed in a govs meeting by Chair that

"we would be appointing a man for the next job!!" #ukedchat

ForesterJo 20:29:00

RT @dughall: Fair comment. However,still maintain that whether

had *all* girls or *all* boys, curric wld b same. #ukedchat will

ponder this!

SkoorBttaM 20:30:00RT @dughall: @ianaddison I was one of 10 male trainees on a

course of 140 #ukedchat >>same here. only five qualified

TheHeadsOffice 20:30:00@primarypete_ Have you got a an outside area? Let them write 'on

the walls'! #ukedchat

bevevans22 20:30:00@ianaddison @carolrainbow @didactylos And how come you can

be 'sporty' or 'clever' but not both? Do I imagine it?? #ukedchat

dawnhallybone 20:30:00 @KnikiDavies games games and games :) #ukedchat

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squiggle7 20:30:00@janwebb21 @mark_wood I had a boy sulk and refuse to work

today because paired with a girl too #ukedchat

dughall 20:30:00@primarypete_ I agree about offering choice. Can then also be used

as a coercive tool "...but you *chose* to do this..." #ukedchat


@helenmew We have play based curric going all through in some

primary's - 3 yrs now - no significant difference in achievements

#ukedchat

DeputyMitchell 20:30:00RT @tonycassidy: Teachers are a bit like locks- irrespective of


DrAshCasey 20:30:00

@tonycassidy yes...agreed. But we have also accepted that boys

should display certain masculine traits...take "girl's blouse"

#ukedchat

JfB57 20:31:00

RT @didactylos: #ukedchat to what extent should we be exploring

their preferred learning styles with them & explaining what's

needed?

ProEdNet 20:31:00

@KnikiDavies that is interesting, does anyone else have views on

Kagan's ideas on how to get the best out of mixed classes?

#ukedchat

sellyeve 20:31:00@bevevans22 often find the sportiest cohorts are highest achieving.

#ukedchat

dughall 20:31:00@bevevans22 But is choosing 'boy' topics repeatedly for boy heavy

groups fair? Realistic? Equal? Representative? etc? #ukedchat

curricadvocate 20:31:00@carolrainbow #ukedchat But have standards risen compared to

3yrs ago even though no gender differences?

squiggle7 20:31:00

@squiggle7 @mark_wood but then also had another tell me he was

working better because paired with a girl so swings & r'bts

#ukedchat

ianaddison 20:31:00

@missbrownsword I got my first job cos they were looking for a

male teacher. There were 2other guys interviewed though

#ukedchat

mark_wood 20:31:00RT @KnikiDavies: #ukedchat Such a small number of either gender is

def going to limit friendships! I agree & is something to b aware of!

didactylos 20:31:00

@DrAshCasey I don't disagree, but recognise that they don't have

that much impact, home culture is such a pull #ukedchat

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janwebb21 20:31:00 @squiggle7 tis such a big deal for some #ukedchat

KnikiDavies 20:31:00@katie_hague #ukedchat I just quoted Kagan in my very next

tweet!!! Weird! I am planning to read up more about it!

cjs76 20:31:00RT @bevevans22: My stepson told me he tried not to act 'too

clever' at school as it wasn't cool #ukedchat > this is reality.

theatretotsltd 20:31:00




tonycassidy 20:31:00@DrAshCasey also agreed there- so perhaps just take out the

gender and consider positive human 'traits'. #ukedchat

carolrainbow 20:31:00@Joga5 That is just dreadful - yes can understand the reply now!

#ukedchat

dughall 20:32:00RT @dawnhallybone: @KnikiDavies games games and games :)

#ukedchat

DrAshCasey 20:32:00@helenmew I think they benefit in secondary school. The phys Ed

model "sport education" is based on play theory #ukedchat

ICTtower 20:32:00For the 1st time in 10 years I have an all boy class at KS4, the only

girl requested a transfer.... #ukedchat

MrsThorne 20:32:00@bevevans22 I have seen a few sporty and clever boys in my time.

They usually end up as Head Boy. #ukedchat


katie_hague: @primarypete_ Treasure hunts, writing clues and

'evidence', non fiction, describing dragons, monsters, pirates etc!

#ukedchat

Mr_Thorne 20:32:00

RT @ForesterJo: @tonycassidy as female teacher find boys easier to

deal with generally - inf boys fall out sort it 2 mins later! girls......

#ukedchat


@bevevans22 #ukedchat Think that depends on the school, we have

plenty of sporty & clever kids, we have culture where it's good to

achieve


@bevevans22 You can't get good all-rounders these days?

#ukedchat

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TheHeadsOffice 20:32:00RT @DeputyMitchell: RT @tonycassidy: Teachers are a bit like locks-

irrespective of gender, you just just 'click' with some- #ukedchat

marketspi 20:32:00RT @tonycassidy: Teachers are a bit like locks- irrespective of


bevevans22 20:32:00@dughall @primarypete_ When I offer choice (eg in recording

method) girls choose quickly. Boys struggle to choose #ukedchat

helenmew 20:32:00

@missbrownsword Really hate that, that's just awful - and if we

discriminate as adults why are so surprised young people do too?

#ukedchat

ForesterJo 20:32:00@tonycassidy as female teacher find boys easier to deal with

generally - inf boys fall out sort it 2 mins later! girls...... #ukedchat


@KnikiDavies #ukedchat Kaan v interesting for all,had to move

around class for some, everyone has to answer in others. No flying

under radar

ForesterJo 20:33:00

RT @helenmew: Would boys and girls BOTH benefit from the

extension of play-based curric much further up through into

primary? #ukedchat YES!

mark_wood 20:33:00

RT @KnikiDavies: @mark_wood #ukedchat Have, suggests groups of

4 with 2 girls/2 boys but not a 3:1 ratio as this inhibits girls either

way

colport 20:33:00 Does Visual Literacy support boys learning? #ukedchat

tonycassidy 20:33:00@ForesterJo agreed- sometimes I think we overreact to situation

like that #ukedchat

Joga5 20:33:00We've tried to use what were regarded as boy friendly strategies

but also considered grouping and subject matter #ukedchat

janwebb21 20:33:00RT @dughall: RT @dawnhallybone: @KnikiDavies games games and

games :) #ukedchat


@ProEdNet #ukedchat I have set up my classes in Kagan groups and

it is working a treat - some of best maths lessons ever using

Kagan/nrich!

janwebb21 20:33:00

#ukedchat sorry if I'm repeating what someone has said but

authentic context, games/play based writing so important for all butesp boys

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sellyeve 20:33:00 @bevevans22 even with a deadline? #ukedchat

ICTtower 20:33:00 It is a very different atmosphere to my other classes #ukedchat

Catriona_O 20:33:00#ukedchat my problem with personalised learning is that is has been

interpreted in many cases as limited to options. V Poor response.


@curricadvocate I daren't actually commit to that without seeing

the data and I have not looked- though I doubt it has raised much

#ukedchat

didactylos 20:34:00#ukedchat can we agree on what bedrock skills are key to success in

life and that whatever your gender you need to develop these?

TheHeadsOffice 20:34:00@helenmew @missbrownsword I think the discrimination comes

when we are very tiny & stays unless really pushed out. #ukedchat

mark_wood 20:34:00@KnikiDavies: #ukedchat Kagan, suggests groups of 4 with 2 girls/2

boys but not a 3:1 ratio as this inhibits girls either way V interesting

ianaddison 20:34:00@KnikiDavies we celebrate achievement too, but for certain kids, all

boys, it's just not cool. School is for mates and football #ukedchat

DrAshCasey 20:34:00

@tonycassidy now that is the positive method. Teachers need to be

aware of the ways we reinforce gender expectations..really hard.

#ukedchat

KnikiDavies 20:34:00@dughall #ukedchat What would you classify as a "boy" topic or a

"girl" topic?

bevevans22 20:34:00@dughall Not in my opinion, but it is a trend I've seen. A bit like

choosing literature where the main characters are male...#ukedchat

mrswaustin 20:34:00@katie_hague we use kagan a lot It works for boys & girls alike.

Calms 'loud' boys & encourages 'quiet' girls to join in. #ukedchat

squiggle7 20:34:00@KnikiDavies what happens when you don't have right numbers for

2/2 with Kagan?

cjs76 20:35:00

#ukedchat have seen sig. progress when focussing on girls in maths -

confidence, levels, attitude.

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DrAshCasey 20:35:00@didactylos yep...home has a huge impact. Family expectation

carries massive weight. #ukedchat

JfB57 20:35:00

RT @DrAshCasey: @tonycassidy now that is the positive method.

Teachers need to be aware of the ways we reinforce gender

expectations..really hard. #ukedchat

ICTtower 20:35:00

@dawnhallybone That's what I would like to find out - I am thinking

perhaps boys don't see women as strong disciplianarians?

#ukedchat

John_Pallister 20:35:00@Catriona_O had a go at unpicking personalised Learning

http://tinyurl.com/qqca2x #ukedchat

pkainsworth 20:35:00#ukedchat Didn't truly realise how biased our education system is

against boys till i had a son... No fault of the school which is FAB!

DuncanTigerHero 20:35:00We are now teaching Eng and Maths as single sex subjects to lower

ability classes at GCSE. Some successes. #ukedchat

KnikiDavies 20:35:00 @squiggle7 #ukedchat I went for a table of 3 girls and one of 4 boys

bevevans22 20:35:00

@sellyeve I'm talking about in a 40 minute primary session. If I cut it

down to clear choice of one or the other they cope better.

#ukedchat

cybraryman1 20:35:00@@bevevans22 Yes I witnessed this too, some students shy away

from not acting clever because of peer pressure. #ukedchat

curricadvocate 20:35:00@missbrownsword #ukedchat - agree. my son is terrified of failure,

so competition paralyses his thinking.


RT @colport: Does Visual Literacy support boys learning? #ukedchat

> Yes, & games based learning. See @timrylands &myst. Had

amazing results

aiafrate 20:35:00

#ukedchat boys appear to like large audience for work - on wall,

blog.. putting up girls work anonymously at their request, found

strange

MrsThorne 20:35:00

@ICTtower Had a Y12 class with a 12/3 boy/girl split 1 year;

following year was reversed. Had to completely rewrite my SoW

#ukedchat

briankotts 20:35:00

Are boys really the weaker sex? http://bit.ly/auPGdH /via

@telegraph #edchat #ukedchat

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@KnikiDavies @dughall #ukedchat when did Mario Kart as theme

was perceived as boy but girls loved it & focused on different

characters

curricadvocate 20:36:00@carolrainbow #ukedchat - interesting. perhaps another edchat

question?

Joga5 20:36:00@DuncanTigerHero Do the kids prefer working in single sex groups?

#ukedchat

didactylos 20:36:00

#ukedchat the male brain is still out hunting the mammoth, the

female working in the collaborative tribe - civilisation is still a

newbie

Catriona_O 20:36:00 @John_Pallister thank you! shall check it out #ukedchat

dughall 20:36:00

@KnikiDavies I wouldn't particularly classify topics like that.

(Boy/girl) it was @bevevans22 's colleague who tends to (said Bev)

#ukedchat

squiggle7 20:36:00@KnikiDavies would love to know more about Kagan techniques.

Can I ask you after this has finished? #ukedchat

KnikiDavies 20:36:00@ianaddison #ukedchat I was worried ours was going that way a bit

last year but it seems to have fizzled out with departure of Y6


RT @mrswaustin: we use kagan a lot It works for boys & girls alike.

Calms 'loud' boys & encourages 'quiet' girls to join in.#ukedchat

>Def!

cybraryman1 20:36:00

RT @didactylos: #ukedchat can we agree on what bedrock skills are

key to success in life & whatever your gender you need to develop

these?

helenmew 20:36:00

@DrAshCasey Interesting - think the transition EYFS to primary a

shock - and primary to secondary. Outdoor and indoor play v imp

#ukedchat

tonycassidy 20:36:00 @DrAshCasey yes, and it is a minefield- #ukedchat

marketspi 20:36:00@squiggle7 @knikidavies good group work says if not even split

then have some single sex groups #ukedchat

ICTtower 20:37:00

@MrsThorne Interesting, as we try to keep our SoW gender neutral

#ukedchat

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mark_wood 20:37:00RT @MrsThorne: @ICTtower what particular changes were made in

the SOW?? #ukedchat

didactylos 20:37:00@mark_wood #ukedchat good idea, only achievable in classes with

equal gender numbers


@katie_hague #ukedchat just catching up again - agree with your

list. humour is a very important tool. calm manner gets results from

b&g

dawnhallybone 20:37:00 @janwebb21 agree totally #ukedchat

colport 20:37:00

RT @didactylos: #ukedchat the male brain is still out hunting the

mammoth, the female working in the collaborative tribe -

civilisation is still a newbie


RT @cjs76: #ukedchat have seen sig. progress when focussing on

girls in maths - confidence, levels, attitude>so it is to do with

confidence?

Mr_Thorne 20:37:00when our text was Cinderella, the boys were really into it...similarly

the girls have been encapsulated by dragons/fantasy #ukedchat

ForesterJo 20:37:00@KnikiDavies will have to read up on Kagan - #ukedchat - can you

email me any info?

ICTtower 20:37:00@TheHeadsOffice The lone girl felt intimidated by being alone/could

not relate to the 'lads' #ukedchat

MrsThorne 20:37:00

RT @DuncanTigerHero: We are now teaching Eng and Maths as

single sex subjects to lower ability classes at GCSE. Some successes.

#ukedchat

missbrownsword 20:37:00this week I told my maths set that girls are better at maths than

boys, I was joking but it seemed to motivate them all! #ukedchat

aiafrate 20:38:00@katie_hague I read kagan last yr, really need to start using it again

#ukedchat

dughall 20:38:00@primarypete_ @KnikiDavies ...not just cos they're boys or girls.

#ukedchat


@Joga5 #ukedchat i think this depends on how you structure the

ethos of the classroom (and school for that matter)

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John_Pallister 20:38:00 @didactylos bedrock skills = Functional Skills + 'a bit' #ukedchat

ForesterJo 20:38:00

@tonycassidy absolutely! not advocating letting boys fights but

sometimes we intervene + really make mountain out of molehill

#ukedchat


@missbrownsword Interesting that you were joking about who is

good at maths. Have you the data to prove it? Is it our perceptions?

#ukedchat

carolrainbow 20:38:00@curricadvocate We would all have to dig the data out ;-) Lots of

prep time needed!! #ukedchat

dughall 20:38:00

@primarypete_ @KnikiDavies That is *the* thing about topics IMO.

Seeing and drawing out elements to suit *every* individ' learnr!

#ukedchat

KnikiDavies 20:38:00@squiggle7 Yes sure but I am far from expert! #ukedchat It's

something I want to develop

Catriona_O 20:38:00@chrisrat @atantot @DrAshCasey yes, and it is a minefield-

#ukedchat - and pass the bomb IS ace! Love #twitterserendipity!

bevevans22 20:38:00

@TheHeadsOffice @MrsThorne @KnikiDavies In our area boys

either 'appear' to be good at sport or bright (but not too 'in your

face')#ukedchat

tonycassidy 20:39:00 @ForesterJo yeah- couldn't have put it better #ukedchat

curricadvocate 20:39:00@ForesterJo @KnikiDavies and me for Kagan. sounds interesting.

#ukedchat

sellyeve 20:39:00 janwebb21: @dawnhallybone been to ewac today - keep thinking

good teaching includes BOTH boys and girls #ukedchat YES!

ForesterJo 20:39:00@mrswaustin really sorry but what does 'loud' mean -

enthusiastic????? keen???? #ukedchat


@curricadvocate For boys & girls,but found lots of my boys assumed

they'd be shouted at & v defensive.Calm was far more effective!

#ukedchat


@bevevans22 What stops boys wanting to please? Is it just peer

pressure? When does it start?#ukedchat

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didactylos 20:39:00

@DrAshCasey #ukedchat A level female students in past classes

would face incredible pressure from females in family to pack in

their studies

KnikiDavies 20:39:00@dughall @bevevans22 I see, was interested to see how they

classified them. #ukedchat

janwebb21 20:39:00@dawnhallybone been to ewac today - keep thinking good teaching

includes BOTH boys and girls #ukedchat

tonycassidy 20:39:00RT @colport: Does Visual Literacy support boys learning? #ukedchat

Doesn't it for everyone?

TheHeadsOffice 20:40:00@diannespencer Are there any reluntant staff about your IT push?

Are they M or F? #ukedchat

sellyeve 20:40:00

TheHeadsOffice: @bevevans22 What stops boys wanting to please?

Is it just peer pressure? School culture defintely plays a part

#ukedchat

janwebb21 20:40:00 @dawnhallybone or even ecaw! #ukedchat

Joga5 20:40:00@tonycassidy @colport Would agree that it is equally successful for

both groups if pedagogy sound #ukedchat

MrsThorne 20:40:00@mark_wood Took out lots of role play/tableaux/competitions,

girls just not enthused by them. More essay practice #ukedchat

JaneWoods3 20:40:00

#ukedchat Numbers of males on Primary Ed courses are improving

but we still struggle to keep them. Need more male role models on

placement!

TheHeadsOffice 20:40:00 @curricadvocate Ethos of the school is key! #ukedchat

ICTtower 20:40:00 @Joga5 Definitely! #ukedchat

dughall 20:40:00

@ICTtower "perhaps boys don't see women as strong

disciplianarians? " Completely disagree. This perception can be

sorted day 1 #ukedchat


I taught in the inner city where in most families fathers were absent.

Boys especially needed strong & good male role models #ukedchat

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katie_hague 20:41:00@aiafrate Yes, we had training 2 years ago and worked really well,

though big learning curve for us! #ukedchat

scholaforis 20:41:00

extended play...co-perative and problem solving play breeds mutual

respect for non gender biased relationships in school later

#ukedchat

didactylos 20:41:00@John_Pallister #ukedchat hmm maybe, but FS have now a very

bad label round the neck

KnikiDavies 20:41:00@squiggle7 @foresterjo #ukedchat I think @oliverquinlan is very

interested in Kagan but he's not here this evening

Mr_Thorne 20:41:00as a child, i went to all boys school & i missed out on socialising with

girls until my teaching degree which was mainly female #ukedchat

bevevans22 20:41:00

@dughall @KnikiDavies Our FP teachers tend to choose

dinosaur/space/hands on topics to 'engage' boys as girls will join in

anyway #ukedchat

janwebb21 20:41:00RT @Joga5: @tonycassidy @colport Would agree that it is equally

successful for both groups if pedagogy sound #ukedchat

MrsThorne 20:41:00@mark_wood no noticable difference in performance between the

genders either year #ukedchat

Joga5 20:41:00@curricadvocate Would agree on the structuring of ethos

#ukedchat

ProEdNet 20:41:00@DuncanTigerHero would be interested to hear about the

successes and difficulties this choice resulted in? #ukedchat

KnikiDavies 20:41:00@squiggle7 @foresterjo #ukedchat All the info I have I got from

here http://www.kaganonline.com/ in the free articles section

bevevans22 20:42:00@dughall @KnikiDavies Even if covering Fairy Tales they often go for

one with a male lead!! But we are very boy heavy #ukedchat

mark_wood 20:42:00

#ukedchat in my yr 12 class the girls r much more willing 2 stand up

& present. In KS1&2 last yr it was much more the boys, a nice

change

colport 20:42:00

@tonycassidy @Joga5 Very good point about pedagogy. Something

that is overlooked in favor of prescribed cont. Worthy of its own#ukedchat !

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ProEdNet 20:42:00

@KnikiDavies Great, Kagan has always been very popular here but

would love to hear more info on teachers with more practical exp.

#ukedchat

TheHeadsOffice 20:42:00@Joga5 Gosh - pedagogy - that's a blast from the past! Vital though!

#ukedchat

bartoneducation 20:42:00A21st Century Boys good read and worth looking at for this debate.

#ukedchat. Sue Palmer's pop education.

janwebb21 20:42:00 n@bevevans22 ours too #ukedchat

MrsThorne 20:42:00@ICTtower didn't really clock the SoW as not gender neutral til I

couldn't get the girl-heavy group to do the activities! #ukedchat

tonycassidy 20:42:00

@ICTtower @dawnhallybone I've always found it to be the other

way- as a student I had more respect for my female teachers...

#ukedchat

squiggle7 20:42:00@KnikiDavies thanks, have seen that site before but will take a

deeper look #ukedchat

dughall 20:43:00@bevevans22 I do know what you're saying. Element of devil's

advocate from me tonight :-) #ukedchat

dawnhallybone 20:43:00@janwebb21 I thought ewac was a mis - spelling of a star wars

character :) #ukedchat

mrswaustin 20:43:00

@ForesterJo yes I had a group last yr that drowned out some girls

with their answers & opinions. Kagan gave them all a chance

#ukedchat

colport 20:43:00@bevevans22 Fairy tales is easy to deliver for boys as well

nowadays....via Shrek! #ukedchat

Catriona_O 20:43:00@cybraryman1 #ukedchat don't they need good teachers first and

foremost?

ICTtower 20:43:00

@dughall I'm sure it can. I only ask because I see more boys

misbehave in classes with female teachers than male in secondary

#ukedchat

Joga5 20:43:00

@TheHeadsOffice Had someone in a "get you" way when we started

talking about it at training last term #ukedchat

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CHAR0ULA 20:43:00family attitudes influence kids behaviour so in some areas the

problem is worse need to change adult ways first #ukedchat

TheHeadsOffice 20:43:00 Anyone let classes above FS use outside learning areas? #ukedchat

KnikiDavies 20:44:00@mrswaustin #ukedchat Is there a particular book on Kagan that

you would recommend? Feel a trip to Amazon coming on... :o)

didactylos 20:44:00 #ukedchat this hour always flies by, less than 15 mins left

tonycassidy 20:44:00I found this a really interesting read 'Trouble with Boys' -Tyre,

http://amzn.to/aG6moO - #ukedchat

dughall 20:44:00@ICTtower They were obviously never taught by my wife! ;-)

#ukedchat


@TheHeadsOffice @Joga5 So, if teachers/schools concentrate on

ethos can we move to focussing on learning without stereotypes?

#ukedchat

bevevans22 20:44:00I thought that the sport/clever thing might be mainly Welsh and

cultural but it would appear not #ukedchat

ForesterJo 20:44:00 @Mr_Thorne and then made up for it?????????????????#ukedchat

Joga5 20:44:00RT @Catriona_O: @cybraryman1 #ukedchat don't they need good

teachers first and foremost? >>>Yes every time

sellyeve 20:44:00Catriona_O: @cybraryman1 don't they need good teachers first and

foremost? Completely agree! #ukedchat

TweeterofWit 20:44:00Forget 'girls'' or 'boys'' subjects: boys love Literature or HE, girls love

Technology or Physics. It's subjects and students! #ukedchat

didactylos 20:45:00#ukedchat if a Male brain is motivated by competition and winning

if it can't win in one way it looks for other games to play.....

altrudrama 20:45:00

@TweeterofWit My personal experience of that is completely

different - I think each class probably has a different mix of faves#ukedchat

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bevevans22 20:45:00@colport :) Animated films make every topic easy - Shrek (fairy

tales), Lion King (Africa), Bug's Life (minibeasts) etc. etc :) #ukedchat

Joga5 20:45:00@curricadvocate That must be the aim - it is so institutionally and

societally embedded that it is hard #ukedchat

geraldhaigh1 20:45:00@TweeterofWit Absolutely right. I can't come to terms with this

topic at all. #ukedchat

ICTtower 20:45:00LOL! RT @dughall: @ICTtower They were obviously never taught by

my wife! ;-) #ukedchat

dughall 20:45:00@ICTtower IMO and experience, discipline is gender ambiguous

#ukedchat

janwebb21 20:45:00 @dawnhallybone I mean at the same time as following #ukedchat

janwebb21 20:45:00

@dawnhallybone it's fun based learning based on film characters,

apparently ;) prob more to do with trying to make shepherd's pie

#ukedchat

mark_wood 20:45:00

RT @MrsThorne Took out lots of role play/tableaux/competitions,

girls just not enthused by them. More essay practice #ukedchat V

interesting


RT @Catriona_O @cybraryman1 #ukedchat don't they need good

teachers first and foremost? Yes! Good teachers will teach without

gender issues

TheHeadsOffice 20:45:00 @dughall You naughty boy!! #ukedchat

curricadvocate 20:46:00#ukedchat I'm detecting a few strands that look at the power of

effective teaching to remove gender barriers. Any further thoughts?

bartoneducation 20:46:00

RT @didactylos: #ukedchat if a Male brain is motivated by

competition and winning if it can't win in one way it looks for other

games to play.....

sellyeve 20:46:00important that teachers don't perpetuate stereotypes - first and

foremost, children are individuals #ukedchat

geraldhaigh1 20:46:00 Should have voted. #ukedchat

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dughall 20:46:00@TheHeadsOffice That's me labeled then (for the second time

tonight @Joga5 ) :-) #ukedchat


@Joga5 @sellyeve @carolrainbow @Catriona_O Yes, of course they

need good teachers first. Better if it was good male teacher.

#ukedchat

primarypete_ 20:46:00RT @dughall: @ICTtower IMO and experience, discipline is gender

ambiguous #ukedchat <-- nicely put

Catriona_O 20:46:00

RT @dughall: @bevevans22 know wht U're saying. devil's advocate

from me 2nite :-) #ukedchat me 2. have atypical children from both

sexes

MrsThorne 20:46:00

@TheHeadsOffice Benefit of having Hist dept in mobiles on field

means lots of room for reenactments :) try to do it regularly

#ukedchat

ForesterJo 20:46:00

RT @TheHeadsOffice: Anyone let classes above FS use outside

learning areas? #ukedchat our KS1 classes have full day of forest

school each wk

ForesterJo 20:47:00RT @dughall: @ICTtower They were obviously never taught by my

wife! ;-) #ukedchat OR ME!

dawnhallybone 20:47:00as teachers we do not stereotype by race or religion so why is

gender still an issue - we are all learners #ukedchat

tonycassidy 20:47:00Why are boys three more time likely to be diagnosed with ADHD?

#ukedchat

bartoneducation 20:47:00 Films and learning - subject for #ukedchat? @bevevans22

John_Pallister 20:47:00

@didactylos FS bad label: either the standards are wrong OR

learners are not 'Functional' -sort out standards vs sort learning

#ukedchat

Catriona_O 20:47:00 I don't feel like we've really got anywhere tonight #ukedchat

ForesterJo 20:47:00@mrswaustin if you have any info on Kagan would love to read

#ukedchat important to allow all chance to offer their ideas

marketspi 20:47:00

@ICTtower @dughall Women have it harder-research shows deep

voice has more authority. Some women get reli high pitch whencross! #ukedchat

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janwebb21 20:47:00

#ukedchat one topic that always encourages our boys to get

involved is the stop-frame animation unit - they re-enact rapunzel

really well!

cybraryman1 20:47:00@Catriona_O @Joga5 @sellyeve @carolrainbow These boys did not

have any positive male role models #ukedchat

didactylos 20:47:00#ukedchat the male brain opting out is encapsulated in the 'its my

ball and I'm going home' syndrome


RT @curricadvocate: #ukedchat I'm detecting strands that look at

the power of effective teaching to remove gender barriers.

>Cracked it!

Joga5 20:48:00

RT @dawnhallybone: as teachers we do not stereotype by race or

religion so why is gender still an issue - we are all learners

#ukedchat


RT @sellyeve: important teachers don't perpetuate stereotypes -

first & foremost, chn are individuals #ukedchat - Teach to their

strengths;)

bartoneducation 20:48:00@tonycassidy Coz the world moves too slowly for the ones I know.

#ukedchat

dughall 20:48:00 @TheHeadsOffice :-) #ukedchat

bevevans22 20:48:00

One thing that is helping in our school is introduction of FP style

learning into KS2 classroom - enough variety for both genders

#ukedchat

Joga5 20:48:00@marketspi I worked for a 6ft 4 Head teacher he never shouted or

used his deep voice for some reason!! #ukedchat

scholaforis 20:48:00 @ForesterJo #ukedchat mixed KS2 class often out @theheadsoffice

nancyrubin 20:48:00Social Learning - Lesson Ideas for Teachers http://t.co/ABflXWo

#smchat #edchat #ukedchat #web20chat

TheHeadsOffice 20:48:00@dughall I expect you're sitting at the back as well!@Joga5

#ukedchat


RT @carolrainbow: RT @sellyeve: important teachers don't

perpetuate stereotypes - first & foremost, chn are individuals#ukedchat - Teach to their strengths;)

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DrAshCasey 20:49:00 @didactylos so true and such a shame #ukedchat

mrswaustin 20:49:00

@ForesterJo we had training days on it. Will DM you details

tomorrow if you like. Too tired to remember name of firm! Sorry:)

#ukedchat

dughall 20:49:00



#ukedchat

Cgeo28 20:49:00

#ukedchat yes children are individuals but put 30 in same room and

things change. Gender as well as ability, age, etc has to be

considered.

bevevans22 20:49:00

RT @dawnhallybone: as teachers we do not stereotype by race

/religion so why is gender still an issue - we are all learners

#ukedchat <true

dughall 20:49:00RT @tonycassidy: Why are boys three more time likely to be

diagnosed with ADHD? #ukedchat (Good Question)

ICTtower 20:49:00

RT @marketspi: Women have it harder-research shows deep voice

has more authority. Some women get reli high pitch when cross!

#ukedchat

DrAshCasey 20:49:00@helenmew I think we've lost the play instinct in secondary

teaching. #ukedchat

simonhowells 20:49:00

heard a colleague talking about why her class were a pain today -

"well they're mostly boys" was her opener - my heart sank...

#ukedchat

Mr_Thorne 20:49:00

RT @ForesterJo: RT @TheHeadsOffice: Anyone let classes above FS

use outside learning areas? #ukedchat Same here! Forest school is

awesome


the gender discussion come around to the usual conclusion of using

a variety of methods to engage learners- irrespective of gender

#ukedchat

JfB57 20:50:00@Mr_Thorne @ForesterJo Is there a difference in the learning in

Forest school activities between m/f? #ukedchat

MrsThorne 20:50:00@tonycassidy similar issue with autism: way more common in boys

#ukedchat

sellyeve 20:50:00

@dughall even higher for conditions such as autism, dyslexia

#ukedchat

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katie_hague 20:50:00@bevevans22 My last school did that too to great effect. Focused

learning on interests of children, engagement for all! #ukedchat

carolrainbow 20:50:00@cybraryman1 are you perpetuating stereotypes? ;-) I can't believe

that!! #ukedchat

Laura_987 20:50:00

RT @DrAshCasey @helenmew I think we've lost the play instinct in

secondary teaching. #ukedchat >> definitely - how would we bring it

back?

ICTtower 20:50:00

@dawnhallybone True, though I've also seen the same lessons

received differently depending on staff. Personality also important

#ukedchat

KnikiDavies 20:50:00@dawnhallybone #ukedchat I think it's an issue because the data is

suggesting that boys' writing is a real issue nationally

Joga5 20:50:00@DrAshCasey We have lost play in much of KS2. Last week we

talked about bringing playfulness into teaching #ukedchat

altrudrama 20:51:00

@KnikiDavies Done fab talk for writing projects that boys love -

hardest part was getting them to sit & write. Imaginations great

#ukedchat

clairelowe2 20:51:00



#ukedchat

bevevans22 20:51:00@Joga5 That's what the extension of FP and outdoor curriculum has

done with us - brought back play and exploration #ukedchat

sellyeve 20:51:00@Cgeo28 considered yes - but we need to try & park our

preconceived ideas at the door! #ukedchat

BeeBecF 20:51:00

RT @dughall: RT @dawnhallybone: as teachers we do not

stereotype by race or religion so why is gender still an issue - we are

all learners #ukedchat

CHAR0ULA 20:51:00 @dawnhallybone society has a lot to do with that I think #ukedchat

Catriona_O 20:51:00 @didactylos ok - haha! #ukedchat but I know I'm right:-)


#Ukedchat sorry been working just joined in! Looks like it's been a

lively discussion :-)

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curricadvocate 20:52:00@JfB57 #ukedchat so what would be your first steps in developing

an understanding of staff inner beliefs to develop ethos?

Catriona_O 20:52:00@tonycassidy thankyou for adding a welcome, measured

perspective. I agree. And so it should be. #ukedchat

mrswaustin 20:52:00

Some women get reli high pitch when cross! #ukedchat > knew 1 of

those- disliked by all children!! Sounded like fingers down a

blackboard!

MrsThorne 20:52:00

@DrAshCasey I hear a lot of 2dry teachers completely discount play

cos of the drive for better results: "no time" So backwards!

#ukedchat


@dughall @MrsThorne @Catriona_O I'm not disputing the

disorder, but are we medicating a vision of a certain type of

classroom #ukedchat

Joga5 20:52:00@bevevans22 but it's more than giving play opportunities it is about

being playful as an adult working with kids #ukedchat

ForesterJo 20:52:00@Mr_Thorne do you take your children for forest school? must

chat more..........#ukedchat

cybraryman1 20:52:00@Catriona_O Only male role models these boys knew were gang

bangers & drug dealers http://bit.ly/a4oisa #ukedchat


RT @tonycassidy: the gender discussion come around to the usual

conclusion of using a variety of methods to engage learners-

irrespective of gender #ukedchat


Have lots of summer born boys & eager girls in Y1. Trying to work

out how to match needs whilst still having to teach lit&num hour

#ukedchat

TheHeadsOffice 20:52:00@bevevans22 We did a FS profile across a whole of a primary

school. Staff in Yr.6 were amazed what it told them! #ukedchat

curricadvocate 20:52:00#ukedchat If gender differences is deeply ingrained into societal

values, then as educators we have a duty to be counter-cultural.

Mr_Thorne 20:53:00

RT @JfB57 Is there a difference in the learning in Forest school

activities between m/f? #ukedchat it recently inspired their writing

m&f

didactylos 20:53:00

@Catriona_O yes and i know you are right, cos I'm always wrong in

my house! #ukedchat

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DrAshCasey 20:53:00

@Laura_987 @helenmew I did it in phys Ed by having design and

the play their own games rather than playing traditional games

#ukedchat

ICTtower 20:53:00 Does anyone have a good link to use for using Kagan? #ukedchat


@sellyeve #ukedchat Autism, dyslexia etc genuinely are more

common in boys, is ADHD really or are energetic boys being

misdiagnosed?

SkoorBttaM 20:53:00What part does society play?- Might say "how are you monster?" to

boy, say it to a girl and they''ll be shocked #ukedchat

Cgeo28 20:53:00RT @sellyeve- but we need to try & park our preconceived ideas at

the door! #ukedchat > some ideas come from experience though

didactylos 20:53:00

@Catriona_O actually agree, but these hours are always about

expanding ideas, not time to really 'get anywhere' in 60 mins

#ukedchat


RT @dughall: RT @tonycassidy: Y are boys three more time likely to

be diagnosed with ADHD? #ukedchat > Easier than changing

teaching style?

rkiker 20:54:00RT @nancyrubin: Social Learning - Lesson Ideas for Teachers

http://t.co/ABflXWo #smchat #edchat #ukedchat #web20chat

dughall 20:54:00 @MrsThorne Not just 2ary unfortunately. #ukedchat

NSRiazat 20:54:00Top 100 Tools for Learning 2010 http://bit.ly/cZDsH2 #ukedchat

#twittereducator


@dughall: @tonycassidy: Why are boys 3 x more likely to be

diagnosed with ADHD? #ukedchat Bored Boy syndrome or illness?

(diving for cover)

TheHeadsOffice 20:54:00@bevevans22 The FS approach was at the core of the new

curriculum! #ukedchat

SkoorBttaM 20:54:00@tonycassidy Is ADHD just being overly boyish? #ukedchat

#controversial

bevevans22 20:54:00 @Joga5 Just as well I'm a nutter then, innit ;) #ukedchat

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sellyeve 20:54:00 @KnikiDavies sadly, I suspect you're right! #ukedchat

John_Pallister 20:54:00

RT @tonycassidy the gender discussion come around to usual

conclusion -using a variety of methods to engage learners-

#ukedchat

Laura_987 20:54:00

RT @TheHeadsOffice @bevevans22 We did a FS profile across a

whole of a primary school. #ukedchat >potential blog post from

@TheHeadsOffice?


@Laura_987 #ukedchat Play in 2ndry? let the kids be kids again -

the'll rembember how to play. They might thk u- ltd opportunities

elsewhere

Joga5 20:55:00 THREE MINUTE WARNING #ukedchat

bevevans22 20:55:00@Laura_987 @TheHeadsOffice Not sure how FS compares to FP in

Wales but I bet the results were a revelation #ukedchat

dughall 20:55:00

U mayn't like Michael Macintyre but here he is on gender

differences (from 5m 30s) http://youtu.be/Nd--6cWBIVU #ukedchat

(stereotype alert!)

ICTtower 20:55:00I sometimes suspect it! RT @SkoorBttaM: @tonycassidy Is ADHD

just being overly boyish? #ukedchat #controversial

Mr_Thorne 20:55:00@ForesterJo I used to last year at the school I worked at...smelly

cocktails are the best! all hail the firesteel! #ukedchat

Joga5 20:55:00@bevevans22 Not a nutter - beautifully playful and full of

childnessness!!!! #ukedchat


My research shows that developing a creative curriculum with

motivation challenge & reflection @the heart ALL learners succeed

#Ukedchat

didactylos 20:55:00@MrsThorne #ukedchat in 2ndry we always reinforce failure rather

than try alternative strategies

bartoneducation 20:55:00Girl/Boy thing. There are differences. But if you teach to gender you

only recognise one aspect of child. #ukedchat

helenmew 20:55:00

@skoorBttaM Yep, research shows an adult will adjust tone and

language dependent on gender of newest-born baby #ukedchat

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mrswaustin 20:56:00

@KnikiDavies got a training manual type thing with all different

structures. I keep it at school, will tweet it in the morning.

#ukedchat

Catriona_O 20:56:00 @Joga5 eek! have we got anywhere?#ukedchat

didactylos 20:56:00@Catriona_O 'snot fair, girls are always right, storms off in a huff....

#ukedchat


@curricadvocate Explore what sterotypes are & get peer visits just

to look at what is happening in class. Need real trust though!

#ukedchat

curricadvocate 20:56:00@TheHeadsOffice #ukedchat - is that the Rose curriculum or one

you have sorted yourself?

helenmew 20:56:00

@skoorBttaM If not sure of gender then many adults display

disorientation and unsure how to interact with even tiniest baby

#ukedchat

ICTtower 20:57:00Slightly different perspective now - I find I have to act a bit more

'laddish' with my all boy group to encourage cooperation. #ukedchat

curricadvocate 20:57:00@TheHeadsOffice #ukedchat Agree - also work on stereotype issues

with wider stakeholder groups?

ForesterJo 20:57:00@Mr_Thorne @JfB57 Talk for Writing through Forest School type

approach - extended writing better for b&g #ukedchat

lisacov19 20:57:00#ukedchat it's all down to personalised learning & finding the key to

unlock the learning potential ..... What are the motivators?

didactylos 20:57:00@Catriona_O its how they judge their self esteem that's often the

problem #ukedchat

colport 20:57:00 Concluding thoughts from #ukedchat session?

TheHeadsOffice 20:57:00 @Laura_987 Hadn't thought of that! Many thanks! #ukedchat


@curricadvocate @JfB57 need strong school values well developed

and understood by all #Ukedchat

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bevevans22 20:57:00@Joga5 I think being fairly relaxed and laid back helps too. Or at

least appearing that way...#ukedchat

MrsThorne 20:57:00

@dughall Got a wake up call to play last yr when Y11 boy able to

recall what I wore in re-enactment lesson I taught to him in Y10

#ukedchat

colport 20:57:00

RT @digitalmaverick: Y6 to write biogs of fam Victorians 1 kid's givn

James Arkwright - can find v little abt him - teacher error?

#ukedchat

Mr_Thorne 20:58:00RT @ForesterJo: @JfB57 - its ever so funny though, a drop of rain,

and the parents ask if we're still going outside or not lol #ukedchat

DrAshCasey 20:58:00

@MrsThorne but with performance management and public

shaming by heads...the pressure compromises pedagogy quality

#ukedchat

ForesterJo 20:58:00 @Mr_Thorne you mean all hail the dragon's breath! #ukedchat

dughall 20:58:00 @MrsThorne Like it! :-) #ukedchat


#ukedchat We really never had ADHD until about 15-20 years ago.

Where did it come from? I am very suspicious, sport, play

engagement needed

KnikiDavies 20:58:00 @mrswaustin Thank you very much! #ukedchat

Joga5 20:58:00@Catriona_O I think so but i dread writing this up for the #ukedchat

site!!!

tonycassidy 20:58:00 Thanks for an interesting discussion- bedtime #ukedchat


RT @bartoneducation: Girl/Boy thing. There are differences. But if

you teach to gender you only recognise one aspect of child.

#ukedchat

Catriona_O 20:58:00Look - I am totally fine with anyone who is ADHD or anything else -

just let's try to get it right for EVERYONE? #ukedchat

ForesterJo 20:59:00

RT @bartoneducation: Girl/Boy thing. There are differences. But if

you teach to gender you only recognise one aspect of child.#ukedchat

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didactylos 20:59:00#ukedchat as always very stimulating and challenging, thanks all, but

Gareth calls.....


@curricadvocate We were working towards it. FS led the whole

thing starting with their data on FSP!Staff had no idea they did

any!#ukedchat

AsherJac 20:59:00



#ukedchat

colport 20:59:00@carolrainbow It has nothing to do with the benefit system does it?

;-) #ukedchat

Mr_Thorne 20:59:00RT @ForesterJo: @Mr_Thorne you mean all hail the dragon's

breath! #ukedchat

scholaforis 20:59:00#ukedchat forest school and learning outdoors very collaberative

and shared experience for all - Try it

bevevans22 20:59:00

@colport There are no answers. Everyone's different. Personalised

learning & offering variety in the classroom might help things?

#ukedchat

SkoorBttaM 20:59:00@helenmew and that's from birth. why don't we complain about

how boys are portrayed on bill boards, adverts etc?!! #ukedchat

MissCitizenship 20:59:00

RT @Cgeo28 #ukedchat yes kids 4 individuals but put 30 in same

room & things change. Gender as well as ability, age, etc has 2b

considered

sellyeve 20:59:00 Many thanks to all! #ukedchat

bartoneducation 20:59:00It's a great debate. Both genders deliver the deals in different ways.

Could go on ... #ukedchat.

JaneWoods3 20:59:00

RT @bartoneducation: Girl/Boy thing. There are differences. But if u

teach 2 gender you only recognise 1 aspect of child. #ukedchat -

true!!

colport 20:59:00

RT @carolrainbow: #ukedchat We really never had ADHD until

about 15-20 years ago. Where did it come from? I am very

suspicious, sport, play engagement needed

CHAR0ULA 21:00:00

still convinced that if the attitudes of the families towards boys and

girls change the kids will perform the same at school #ukedchat

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ICTtower 21:00:00I agree RT #ukedchat We really never had ADHD until about 15-20

years ago. Where did it come from? I am very suspicious,....

ForesterJo 21:00:00 @Mr_Thorne the parents or the staff?????????????????#ukedchat

Joga5 21:00:00Time's up - thanks for a great hour - will try to get it written up

when my head has stopped spinning! #ukedchat

TheHeadsOffice 21:00:00RT @clairelowe2: @curricadvocate @JfB57 need strong school

values well developed and understood by all #Ukedchat

ukedchat 21:00:00

BONG x9 It's 9pm. Another #ukedchat has whizzed by! Thanks to

@Joga5 for hosting & thank you for participating. Hope it got you

thinking!

icttalk 21:00:00 #ukedchat Sorry I'm late. Whatever happened to personalisation?

ICTtower 21:01:00 1st time here - manic! But enjoyed it #ukedchat

ForesterJo 21:01:00

RT @scholaforis: #ukedchat forest school and learning outdoors

very collaborative and shared experience for all - Try it - do the

training!


@carolrainbow #ukedchat ADHD - wow. have you been reading

Ofsted publications? goes back to good teaching again. consistency

of approaches

PTPIPaige 21:01:00RT @ukedchat: @janwebb21 is hosting #ukedchat next week. The

poll is already available at http://ukedchat.wikispaces.com/poll

colport 21:01:00Oh look....Gareth is on BBC2 now, trying to engage boys in primary

school #ukedchat

MrsThorne 21:01:00 @DrAshCasey Sad about it. We need more risk takers #ukedchat

TheHeadsOffice 21:01:00@curricadvocate We amalgamated with Infants so had to develop a

vision so got parents involved. #Ukedchat

ukedchat 21:01:00

@janwebb21 is hosting #ukedchat next week. The poll is already

available at http://ukedchat.wikispaces.com/poll

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TheHeadsOffice 21:02:00Thank you all VERY much! Great discussion & we can change

society!! #Ukedchat

sellyeve 21:02:00Catriona_O: @cybraryman1 #ukedchat don't they need good

teachers first and foremost?

curricadvocate 21:02:00@TheHeadsOffice #ukedchat cool - just seen it missed out too often

when developing an ethos that insists on reducing stereotyping.

Joga5 21:02:00New blog post - keynote from a digital media conf. New and really

detailed booklist on it http://tinyurl.com/373g2eh #ukedchat

carolrainbow 21:02:00#ukedchat: Thank you to @Joga5 for hosting - can't believe it is

over already - was five minutes late arriving - sorry about that ;-)


@curricadvocate No - no time to read Ofsted report yet - must do

that this weekend. But pretty sure good teachers avoid ADHD probs

#ukedchat

bevevans22 21:03:00

#ukedchat over for another week (although it will continue on as

usual). Well done @Joga5 - you were Mr Awesome keeping us in

check!

janwebb21 21:03:00@ukedchat thanks! sorry I was only able to dip in and out tonight -

looking forward to a good chat next week! #ukedchat

Joga5 21:03:00@bartoneducation heehee! I do let myself down by not learning to

bite my tongue! #ukedchat

CHAR0ULA 21:03:00 thanks a lot @Joga5 #ukedchat

SkoorBttaM 21:03:00@ICTtower and these kids are receiving medication for it!

#ukedchat

curricadvocate 21:03:00 #ukedchat @Joga5. Thanks. Great chat. Blog started.

ForesterJo 21:03:00@colport just off to watch it myself - just wish their teachers would

SMILE!!!!!! #ukedchat

colport 21:04:00

@ForesterJo They seem so negative about it....rather than joining

the journey and enthusiasm #ukedchat

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kindlinglily 21:04:00

RT @ForesterJo: RT @scholaforis: #ukedchat forest school and

learning outdoors very collaborative and shared experience for all -

Try it - do the training!

Joga5 21:04:00 @CHAR0ULA No worries - a great chat tonight #ukedchat

Joga5 21:04:00

@curricadvocate Likewise! Thinking about more inclusive

pedagogies (that awful phrase quality first teaching comes in!)

#ukedchat

ForesterJo 21:04:00@Joga5 Thank you Sir - don't envy you writing this one up!

#ukedchat - sounds like conference went well too! :0)


@Joga5 Thank you for doing such a splendid job!! Shall we build in

fines for those late arrivers or sweets for those on time!!:)

#Ukedchat

helenmew 21:05:00My first #ukedchat - thanks to everyone - only a governor so not a

professional, but lots of food for thought, cheers

ForesterJo 21:05:00@Mr_Thorne we're definitely getting there and it certainly makes all

the difference #ukedchat

janwebb21 21:05:00@Joga5 sorry to have missed a lot of #ukedchat - looking forward to

catching up with the lists!


@Joga5 No, its a classic. Do you do a reading list for #ukedchat?

Links etc. I could do one for this one and see how it turns out. Boy-

thing

Joga5 21:05:00@ForesterJo I was a bit hyper as an hour keynote but they seemed

to enjoy it!!! #ukedchat

sellyeve 21:06:00

RT @carolrainbow: #ukedchat We really never had ADHD until

about 15-20 years ago. Where did it come from? I am very

suspicious, sport, play engagement needed


#ukedchat - my first! thanks, very interesting. good to develop

further with some folk. Paperwork concentration may now suffer

tonight!

Joga5 21:06:00@TheHeadsOffice It was fast and furious hour but loved it!

#ukedchat

Baggiepr 21:06:00

@carolrainbow ADHD drug Ritalin discovered/ created before

"condition" clever marketing. #ukedchat

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RT @Joga5: New blog post - keynote from a digital media conf. New

and really detailed booklist on it http://tinyurl.com/373g2eh

#ukedchat

bevevans22 21:07:00

@ebd35 You will have to make sure it's on you set the alarm on

your phone for #ukedchat :) Paul suggests banging yourself on the

head!!

PhoenixSher 21:07:00

RT @herrn96: Ofsted subject-specific guidance docs make for

interesting reading, esp quality of teaching and curriculum

#ukedchat http://bit.ly/9XfXjj

ProEdNet 21:07:00

Great #ukedchat thanks all, some really interesting views on the

topic, would really value any feedback from all on upcoming

Proednet survey

colport 21:07:00 @bevanbar Do you mean #ukedchat ?

ForesterJo 21:07:00

@Mr_Thorne have asked all staff to think about lang use-not

starting sentences with STOP!, DON'T, NO-hard but making a

difference #ukedchat


RT @Baggiepr: @carolrainbow ADHD drug Ritalin discovered/

created before "condition" clever marketing. #ukedchat Worrying to

say the least!

Joga5 21:08:00@janwebb21 Have got another couple on the go! Environmental

and one called Beautiful Books! #ukedchat

Mr_Thorne 21:09:00one of my year 1 children today asked me to help him put his

swimming bag on him 'the postman way' ...how cute! #ukedchat

dan_bowen 21:09:00gutted missed #ukedchat tonight. Argh. was busy doing SEN

stuff....oh well will read over and catch up

Mallrat_uk 21:09:00Anyone got a good way to encourage students to an after school

astronomy club? #ukedchat

altrudrama 21:09:00

Work interrupted by an interesting #ukedchat. Back to it now - lots

of writing & planning to do to let everyone know about our new

projects

lauradoggett 21:10:00

RT @ProEdNet: The Independent looks at the achievements of the

Teach First programme as it begins its expansion http://bit.ly/citUi0

#ukedchat


@carolrainbow I agree. Unfortunately most good teachers would

not stay in our school because of the conditions. High turnover.#ukedchat

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dan_bowen 21:10:00

RT @herrn96: Ofsted subject-specific guidance docs make for

interesting reading, esp quality of teaching and curriculum

#ukedchat http://bit.ly/9XfXjj

dan_bowen 21:10:00

RT @ProEdNet: The Independent looks at the achievements of the

Teach First programme as it begins its expansion http://bit.ly/citUi0

#ukedchat

clairelowe2 21:11:00@curricadvocate actually more in tune with CPR although not

enough new tech in Alexander yet! #ukedchat

KnikiDavies 21:11:00 OUCH! The Kagan book is Â£38 on Amazon!!!! #ukedchat

janwebb21 21:11:00 @Joga5 #ukedchat looking forward to it!

IslingtonEMAS 21:11:00 Would like to join in a #ukedchat what's the next topic?

carolrainbow 21:12:00@cybraryman1 Yes - lots of money probably the only answer -

Golden hellos etc :-( #ukedchat

ukedchat 21:12:00 The #ukedchat archive process has started

cliffmanning 21:12:00

RT @teachingmusicuk: "We are Teaching Music" report launches

tomorrow - get a sneak peak at http://bit.ly/alIRhr #musiced

#ukedchat #edchat

colport 21:13:00@IslingtonEMAS It is up to the vote. See here

http://ukedchat.wikispaces.com/poll #ukedchat

dughall 21:13:00 RT @CHAR0ULA: thanks a lot @Joga5 #ukedchat

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