ukedchat archive 03 february 2011
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ukedchat 20:00
It's 8pm on Thursday evening. Please join @bevevans22 now for
#ukedchat Mixed ability classes or pupils in ability sets - which is
best ?
bevevans22 20:00
Welcome to this week's #ukedchat. We're discussing Mixed
ability classes or pupils in ability sets - which is best (& why)? So
let's begin..
john_at_muuua 20:00@dailydenouement good luck with the application. hope it's
groovy. #ukedchat
hairysporran 20:00@dannynic @JOHNSAYERS im going for a very fine 30yr old malt
tonight for #ukedchat
bellaale 20:01
RT @john_at_muuua: ok. hi again. let me jump right in there and
say neither and both. one system does not fit all. #ukedchat >
agreed
Kazmuir4 20:01#ukedchat there is a place for both in education, but which is best
is a sticky question
john_at_muuua 20:01 we like to be flexible. mixed ability at times, and change at
various times in the year for specific purposes. #ukedchat
TeaKayB 20:01
RT @squiggle7: Teachmeet Midlands Sat 19 Feb fabulous ideas
sharing and amazing prizes to be won: http://bit.ly/tmm11
#tmm11 #ukedchat
bevevans22 20:01
What are your thoughts on tonight's topic? any strong views one
way or the other? Remember to use #ukedchat hashtag in your
tweets!
john_at_muuua 20:01ok. hi again. let me jump right in there and say neither and both.
one system does not fit all. #ukedchat
ianpocock 20:01 RT @ukedchat: Mixed ability classes or pupils in ability sets -
which is best (& why)? #ukedchat topic this evening
CliveBuckley 20:02 Are we all not 'mixed ability'? #ukedchat
missbrownsword 20:02if you're teaching in a system that you don't believe works (either
sets or mixed) then it won't #ukedchat
GiftedPhoenix 20:02 #ukedchat Neither approach benefits all learners - I think the
research shows broadly similar overall outcomes?
bevevans22 20:02
@john_at_muuua I'd agree - think there are good arguments for
both if circumstances are right do others feel differently?#ukedchat
missbrownsword 20:02If you believe in mixed ability it will work for you, if you believe in
sets they will work for you #ukedchat
narthernlad 20:02 I think it depends on the subject! #ukedchat
hairysporran 20:02do mixed ability classes allow to top gifted pupils room to extend
themselves or are they held back? #ukedchat
narthernlad 20:03 @bevevans22 I think sets work best in subjects like numeracy,
where as they dont work as well in literacy! #ukedchat
ianpocock 20:03 @bevevans22 v. Interesting topic. Was at the heart of recent bbc
programme on mobility. Would ability sets help this? #ukedchat
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colport 20:03Mixed ability classes or pupils in ability sets - which is best (&
why)? #ukedchat
john_at_muuua 20:03
have a Y11 strictly set to study poetry. Y10 mixed by the prose
text. Y9 mixed for behaviour. Y8 grouped by relationships
#ukedchat
VMM40BUG 20:03@narthernlad I agree. Currently streaming in Maths and pupils
responding very positively #ukedchat
GiftedPhoenix 20:03
#ukedchat The research I've read suggests #gifted learners tend
to do better in sets; lower achievers better in mixed ability
settings
Jokprice 20:03@hairysporran they are held back! Not many TA's for g&t
children #ukedchat
philallman1 20:03there is no good substitute for good quality mixed ability teaching
#ukedchat
26mjw 20:03 Very interested in tonights #ukedchat - I'm not a fan of mixed
ability groups, I dont see them being fair on the kids. Personally.Creativeedu 20:03
Evening all! I'm not sure there is a one size fits all solution to this
question #UKEdChat
bevevans22 20:03 RT @narthernlad: I think it depends on the subject! #ukedchat I
think subject is a factor, but why so? Any particular subjects?
LKMco 20:03
Chatting to someone who wants to be a Chinese teacher. Anyone
know what demand for them is like and any schools teaching it?
#ukedchat
imascientist 20:03
Oooo, can be an awkward topic RT @ukedchat Mixed ability
classes or pupils in ability sets - which is best (& why)? #ukedchat
topic this eve
bevevans22 20:04
@philallman1 Why so? My son was educated in ability settings
and found it suited him. Daughter mixed ability (diff school) &
happy #ukedchat
chris_1974 20:04 RT @missbrownsword If you believe in mixed ability it will work
for you, if you believe in sets they will work for you #ukedchat
john_at_muuua 20:04 @philallman1 sorry, but I disagree. different times, students,
topics and staff call for different approaches. #ukedchat
tj007 20:04I have found that even with sets, there is still a range in ability.#ukedchat
mjowchs 20:04 #ukedchat it depends on the range of ability in the group, a lot of
bright pupils can encourage a few weaker ones
JOHNSAYERS 20:04
set classes so much easier to pitch to. Mixed get some firing
ahead some lag behind. Mind can inspire make oracle
leaders/trainers #ukedchat
Kazmuir4 20:04#ukedchat i think it's different for primary and secondary
squiggle7 20:04 I think a mixture of both approaches works best, sometimesmixed ability, sometimes setting
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misshbond 20:04RT @clivebuckley: Are we all not 'mixed ability'? #ukedchat
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bevevans22 20:06RT @mjowchs: #ukedchat a lot of disengaged pupils will destroy a
more able pupil
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passthechablis 20:08
RT @mooshtang: Maths is too diverse a subject to set in. You
might be a high flyer in shape but poor in calculation for example.
#ukedchat
cleverfiend 20:08
@GaryAveryICT We can't set easily as a special school and the
extremes of some groups can be 5 levels apart. We differentiate!
#ukedchat
ianpocock 20:08@Creativeedu think the challenge is to find a way to break thecycle of the poorest children can compete with the richest
#ukedchat
26mjw 20:08All too often I've seen disengaged or disruptive pupils monopolise
teacher or TA time. #ukedchat
HilGibb 20:08
#ukedchat I used to take academic highflyers for 'failure lessons'.
This unabled 'middles' to take more of a lead. It was a win-win
scenario
fkelly 20:08http://eprints.ioe.ac.uk/1139/1/Boaler2000Students631.pdf
#ukedchat
tj007 20:08 RT @richardsw16: #ukedchat Local secondary has setted form
groups as well as subject lessons - OTT? Sounds rather bizarre...
GiftedPhoenix 20:08
RT @cleverfiend: @JOHNSAYERS the danger is that many
teachers think streamed groups don't need any differentiation -
and they do! #ukedchat
john_at_muuua 20:08@GiftedPhoenix so how would it work in English? #ukedchat
misshbond 20:08@creativeedu I've always found this an interesting idea but never
actually seen it in action. #ukedchat
VMM40BUG 20:08
#ukedchat Some pupils will respond to having MA peers. But
some sit back and let MA kids do all work. A range of approaches
needed I think
missnoor28 20:08 RT @Creativeedu: What about setting but with students of
different ages but similar ability - anyone tried it? #UKEdChat
26mjw 20:08 RT @bevevans22: RT @mjowchs: #ukedchat a lot of disengaged
pupils will destroy a more able pupil
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mushychelle 20:09 In adult ed., sets can be a bit of mystery - norm is mixed ability!
E.g. in literacy Entry Level - Level 2 in one class. #ukedchat
john_at_muuua 20:09@missbrownsword is that an analogue v digital thing? #ukedchat
AntHeald 20:09
Why should ability be the only criteria for setting?Would it make
any less sense to set by level of enthusiasm, for example?#ukedchat
Creativeedu 20:09 RT @CliveBuckley: Are we talking about subject achievement or
social achievement? #ukedchat
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hairysporran 20:10 @bevevans22 i see it set/mixed classes in ks 2,3,4 it seems to
depend on the subject. math,eng are set. #ukedchat
rjpritchard 20:10 #ukedchat do teachers convince themselves that setting is best
for the students, when it's really just best for the teachers?
philallman1 20:10RT @colport: Primaries mixed? I bet many teachers have tablesorganised according to ability in classrooms! #ukedchat
streamed within mixed
jackieschneider 20:10#ukedchat - I know from personal experience how deeply
demotivating it is to be in a bottom set.
GaryAveryICT 20:10
One year we took the highest ability and the lowest ability out.
for Maths and English.. Left the others in class .a happy
balance?#ukedchat
richardsw16 20:10
RT @tj007: #ukedchat setted form groups OTT? rather bizarre...