�K: What would you liketo talk about?

S: Pride.

K: Pride.

Are you proud?S: At times.

K: Sometimes. Why?

What are you proud about?

S: Achieving something.

K: Achieving.

What have you achieved?

Or you are admiringpeople who have achieved

or do you want to achieve?

Is that what you want to talk about -pride, achievement, success, money

position, power.Is that what you all want?

Probably you all do.

Don't fool yourself,don't deceive yourself

you all want to havethose things.

S: No, sir, we all want itbecause in this world

we can't livewithout those things.

K: In these times, the boy says,we can't live without those things.

How do you know?S: Anywhere you see a poor man

K: You come out here!

S: Anywhere you see a poorman, or anything, sir

they'll argue if you don't givethem anything, or if you try

to make them a nice man,

they won't give you any respect.

K: So what do you want to be?

S: Anything which we canachieve enough respect

for living a happy life,but not too much respect.

K: You are quite right -not too much respect

but a fairly comfortable life,and a happy life. Is that it?

S: Yes.

K: Is that what you want?S: Yes.

K: Then go after it.

S: Sir, but it is not so easyunless you try and achieve it.

K: Any other questions?

S: What is the difference betweenmeditation and concentration?

S: What is the difference betweenmeditation and concentration?

K: I understood.

K: Do you really want to talkabout that, or is it a game

or just fun totalk about something

I may be interested in,is that it?

Do you really want to know whatis meditation and concentration?

All right, sir.

If you really wantto talk about that

will you pay attentionto what I am going to say?

S: Yes, sir.

K: Don't say, 'Yes,sir', and fidget.

Do you really wantto talk about it?

If you do it is a very,very serious subject.

What do you thinkis concentration?

S: Something which you reallywant to think about, sir.

Think about deeply, go into itdeeply, think about it deeply.

K: Think about it deeply.S: Think about it deeply.

K: Think about it deeply- what do you mean by that?

S: Something which wewant to keep our minds on.

K: Come over here!

Something you want tokeep you mind on.

Right?

Have you tried it?

You want to look at thoseflowers, or your book

or what your educatoris saying.

Have you ever looked at it verycarefully, at those flowers

what the teacher istelling you, listen to him

and concentrate on a book,have you?

S: Sometimes.K: Sometimes.

When does that happen?

When you like it - right?S: Yes.

K: Now, when you like something youput your attention, your thought

your energy in observing it.Right?

And that is generallycalled concentration.

That is, you concentrate on thebook you are reading - right?

or on something that youare looking very carefully

at those flowers -right?

or what your friend, or yourteacher is telling you. Right?

S: Yes.

K: Have you ever watchedvery carefully

concentrated onsomething for a long time?

Not for a second or twobut for a long time

Have you done it?

S: I don't know, sir.K: Yes, try it now.

Try now to listen very carefullyto what somebody is saying to you

or look at thoseflowers for a long time

not allow any otherthought to come in.

That's what concentrationmeans, focusing

giving all yourattention to something

that you are listeningto or reading a book

or watching something, alizard going across the wall.

Will you do it,are you doing it now?

S: Yes.K: You are? Good!

Now, when that takes placewhat happens?

S: We understand it.

K: Not only you understandbut what is happening?

I'll explain to you presently,you think it out for yourself.

Where do you come from?

S: Bangalore.K: Bangalore, good.

I have got two boys- now two girls?

Now, he wants to know what is thedifference between concentration

and meditation.

Right?

You don't know the word 'meditation',do you, what it means? No.

Nor do you know the meaningof the word 'concentration'?

S: Now I think I know.K: Now you know

because I have pointedit out to you.

So concentration means 'focusing yourthought, your energy on something'.

S: Sir(inaudible)

K: Come over here!

Move a bit so that we giveher more room.

She is a big girl. Right?She is a big girl.

S: But isn't it difficult toconcentrate on something

without any thoughtin your mind?

K: That's it. Is it not difficult- listen to it carefully

is it not difficult toconcentrate on something

without thoughts coming in?

S: I think it is.

K: It is difficult, isn't it?

So, then what do you do?

S: We try and keep theother thoughts away.

K: Away. Then who keeps the -I won't make it complicated for you.

So, you concentrate on a bookand other thoughts come in.

Right?S: Yes.

K: Then what do you do?

S: You try to keep them away.

K: Yes, you try to pushother thoughts away.

Now what goes onin that process?

I am concentrating onthis, thoughts come in

then I try to pushthem away

and then thoughts come in.

So I keep this, don't I?

Right?S: Yes.

K: Are you listeningto what I am saying?

If you are not interesteddon't bother.

S: I am thinking of an answerwhich you could give correctly.

K: I can't understand you.

S: I am thinking of an answer whichyou could give correctly for it.

K: Look, sir, I was telling you,when you concentrate on something

other thoughts come in.Right?

Then you try to pushthose thoughts away

and then you tryto concentrate.

So there is this goingon all the time. Right?

S: Why do those thoughtscome in?

K: Wait, wait, I amcoming to that presently.

First see what is happening.

You want to concentrateon something

then thoughts come in andthen you push them out

and again thoughts come inand again you push them out.

So, you really are notconcentrating, are you?

Because thoughts comein and disturb you.

Now, he asked,why do thoughts come in.

Right?S: Yes.

K: You tell me why thoughtscome in. I will tell you.

S: I think it is because wethink about those things.

Because when we are doingsomething something else happens

and you think about it.

K: Yes, that is, youare thinking about this

you are also thinking

about something else.

Is that it?S: Yes.

K: Why does this happen?

S: Sir, if you are thinking thatwhile you are concentrating

K: Come and sit here!

Sorry, three boys and a girl.

S: Sir, as you tryto concentrate

you keep thinking that I shouldnot allow thoughts to come in

and so they come in.K: Yes, why do they come in?

S: Because you keepthinking about them.

K: But you are alsothinking about this.

S: Because we aresuppressing them.

K: That's right.

You have got it.

You have understood whatyou have said?

Not quite.

You are trying to concentrate onthis, other thoughts come in

then you try to suppress thoughts,only the other thoughts except this.

Right? So what ishappening when you suppress?

I suppressI am uncomfortable

I have eaten bad food,and I feel

and I tryto suppress my pain.

Why do you do that, why do you have

suppressions, why do you suppress?

S: Because we thinkit will be nicer

if you suppressthey won't come again

so you suppress it.K: That's right.

So, he says, when you suppressthem they come back again.

So it is futile to suppress.Right?

It would be wrong tosuppress, futile to suppress.

Then what will you do?

S: If you are really thinking aboutsomething very seriously, sir

there are no other thoughts.

K: But other thoughtscome in, old boy.

S: But when you are really thinkingwithout any other things

why should they come in?

K: Now wouldn't you try tounderstand why thoughts are always

moving back and forth?Right?

Wouldn't you ask that question?

S: Sir

Because we suppress thoughtscome in and we can't control them

and we loseour concentration.

So what should we do because,sir, is it possible that

if we just leave it the otherthoughts will go by themselves?

K: I haven't quitegrasped it, have you?

S: If you don't do anythingwith the other thoughts

if you don't pay attentionto them, will they go away?

Is that what you are saying?

K: Would you come up here?

Come up here, sit uphere, don't be nervous.

This is a very complexsubject, isn't it?

Most people, grown-up people, youngpeople, are told from childhood

are you listening,listen carefully

from childhood you aretold to concentrate. Right?

You want to look out of thewindow and the teacher says

'Concentrate on your book'.

But you are really interested inwatching that lizard on that wall.

Right?

And the teacher says, 'Don'tlook, pay attention to the book'.

So from childhood you areinterested in watching the lizard

but the teacher says,'Do this'.

S: Yes.

K: Now, if I were yourteacher I would say

'Let's both of us look at thatlizard' - you understand?

Not try to force youto look at the book.

You have understoodwhat I am saying?

S: Yes, sir.

K: That is, you are watching thatlizard - there is no lizard here!

And your interest is inthat lizard, not in the book.

So I, as a teacher, would tell you,'Let both of us watch that lizard

very very carefully, seehow it sticks to the wall

how many claws it has

see the head,see the eyes'.

Right?S: Yes, sir.

K: I would help you to watchmuch more that than the book.

S: Sir, but I've got a question.K: What?

S: If the teacher, orin a class

children get distractedat different times

like I might getdistracted at a certain time

and another person mightget distracted at another time.

And if the teacher tends toall our distractions, sir

how will she cover the portion?K: I am going to show you.

You are all so veryclever here, aren't you?

K: Where do you come from?S: Madras.

S: My parents live in Zambia.

K: First of all,I have no distractions.

Don't call it distractions.

What is important isthat you watch

pay attention,listen, that's important.

But there are no distractions.

Don't use the word'distraction'. Right?

Now, wait a minute, I helpyou to watch that lizard

or I help you to watch that boysitting over there being restless

fiddling with his fingers.Right?

What I am helping you - nothelping - what I am showing you

is when you payattention to something

whether itis right or wrong

then you can payattention to the book.

You have got it?S: Yes, sir.

K: Are you sure?S: Yes, sir.

K: That is, when you payattention to that lizard

you have learntthe art of attention.

And I am going to helpall the boys

or twenty or fifteen boyswith me to pay attention.

And when there is attentionthere is no distraction.

S: Then why don'tteachers do that, sir?

Suppose we getdistracted in the class.

K: There is no distraction,don't call it distraction.

S: Suppose we want

to watch something

then why don't the teachershelp us to watch that thing?

K: Ask them.

I am telling you- come over here

Two girls. Right.

Come up here,that's better!

All right?S: Yes, sir.

K: You are not shy?S: No, sir.

K: That's better.

You are asking why don't yourteachers tell you all this.

Right?S: Yes, sir.

K: Why don't they tell you?

S: Sir, I think they wantto finish their particular

whatever theywanted to teach us.

K: That's right.They want to get it over.

They are bored, you are bored.Right?

And they want to quicklyfinish what they have to say

and get on to the nextsubject, or the next class.

So they are boredwith teaching.

Right?

Now find out from themwhy they are bored

why they wantto finish quickly

why don't they helpyou to pay attention?

You understand?

If you pay attentionto that lizard

then you have learntthe art of attention.

Right?Have you got it?

Then you can pay attention to thebook, then there is no distraction.

S: ButK: Wait, wait, wait, old boy.

I haven't finished.

If I were your teacher I wouldpoint out to you very carefully

what attention is.Right?

Attention is to pay complete energy,attention, to what you are watching.

Right?

And if you learn that you can learnhow to pay attention to your book.

S: Yes, sir.

S: You might be interestedin the lizard only

and you mightnot like studying

you won't beinterested in your studies.

K: Somebody mightnot like to study.

Then don't study.S: Sir, then you can keep

K: Find out, sir, find out.

Learn. Find out why youdon't want to read books.

Now, you listen to me.

We have talked about concentration,that is, you are thinking

paying attention to something,then other thoughts come in

and you pushthose thoughts out.

And so there is always this conflict- wanting to pay attention to that

thoughts come in, and so there isconstant chattering of the brain

chattering, chattering,chattering. Right? Got it?

Now, meditation,the word 'meditation'

you know what that word is,you have heard about it?

S: Yes, sir.

K: Meditation in Englishmeans also 'to measure'.

Right? 'To measure'.

As in Sanskrit, if you ask

S: Radhikaji.K: Radhikaji.

By Jove, thank youfor helping me

If you ask Radhikaji,she will tell you

'ma' is also 'tomeasure' in Sanskrit.

So meditation alsomeans 'to measure'.

Now, without measurement there isno technological advancement at all.

Agree? See that?

Do you see all this,what I am saying?

S: I didn't understandthat word which you said.

K: You don't understand

the word I am using?

S: Yes.K: I am using 'to measure'.

You have a tape measure, haven't you?S: Yes.

K: Meditation meansalso 'measurement'.

S: I think he doesn't understand theword 'technology', technological.

K: Ah, you don't understandthe word 'technology'?

Technique - to do something, say forinstance you want to build a car

and you must know all theparts, put them together

they are allworking together.

I have dismantled a car,put it all to pieces

and then put it alltogether hoping it will work.

But it did work.Right?

Learning about all the machinery, howit works, what are its components

what are its measurements

its metallic strengthand so on, all that

learning about that iscalled technology, some of it.

Now, meditation,concentration, for me

are two entirelydifferent things.

S: Sir, quite often you concentratewithout even trying to concentrate.

Like you will be doing something,you don't need to concentrate

you will be concentrating.

K: You can do something

if you love something youdon't have to concentrate.

Have you understood that?S: Yes, sir.

K: If you love somethingthere is no concentration.

Do you love something?S: Quite a few things.

K: You love quite a few things.

What are they?S: Sir, I like reading books.

K: Flying kites?S: Yes, sir.

K: Climbing mountains, climbingtrees, chasing monkeys.

What do you really love?

S: Collecting stamps.K: No, just a minute.

This is too complex asubject for little boys.

Meditation means tobe free of measurement.

This is too difficultfor you all.

S: Sir, concentration is somethingwhich you force and do something

and meditation might bewhere you don't force anything.

K: That's right. Meditation can onlytake place when there is no effort

when there isno contradiction.

You know contradiction? Saying onething, doing another thing. Right?

S: Sir, suppose you like reading, thenyou are really concentrating on it

isn't that meditation, where youdon't know you are concentrating?

K: No, no. You are then trying tounderstand what the book is saying.

S: You don't knowyou are concentrating.

Like he said you don't knowyou are concentrating

but you are concentrating.

K: That is when youlike something

when you like to read agood detective story

you enjoy it, don't you?

This is too difficult for you.

Don't bother aboutmeditation and concentration.

It is much too difficult.

Right?S: Yes.

K: A little bit.

Now, I would like to talkabout something else.

May I?S: Yes, sir.

K: I have asked you what youwould like to talk about

and then after askingyou all these questions

I would like to talk to youabout something else. May I?

S: Yes, sir.K: All of you?

S: Yes, sir.K: 'Yes, sir'.

Human beings, like you,have capacity

have some kindof hidden talent.

Talent - you understand? - thatis to paint, to play the violin

to play the flute, or to bea very good human being.

Human beings havehidden talents.

Right?

And your society,your parents

everybody says,'Become a business man

or become a doctor,or become an engineer

or become Indian Administrativeperson, the Service'. Right?

So your brain, you understand,what is inside the skull

is conditioned by your parents,or by the society in which you live.

You understand?S: Yes, sir.

K: So, your own talent isdestroyed by this pressure.

You might be a great painter.

Right?Or a great singer

or a marvellous botanist,horticulturist. Right?

But your parents, your society,say, 'No, that is not good enough

you must becomereally a businessman

or a good doctor, or IAS'.

So you destroyyour own talent.

And what is important isto have your own talent

then you are happy with it.

You understandwhat I am saying?

S: SirK: Listen to what I am saying.

I am talking now.

And you are listening to me.

That is one thing- human beings

have essentially,hidden, a certain talent.

Right?

Not always to become a businessman,or a captain in the army, or a flyer.

So you have to discover your owntalent, and stick to that talent

whether you becomepoor, rich, successful.

S: Sir, but it you wantto be a businessman

and by the side of it you canalso sing, or paint, or whatever.

K: Clever boys - you have reallytrained these boys beautifully!

They say you can become abusinessman, or a General

or an army captain,and also paint.

Do you follow howhis brain is working?

You are quite right, sir.

Then you will do neitherthing properly, fully, happily.

S: Why, sir?

K: Because you aretorn between the two.

S: No.K: I know this, I know this.

You understand?S: Yes,sir.

K: Wait a minute, I amtalking for a while.

So, it is very difficult alsoto discover your own talent.

And it might notlead you to success.

It doesn't matter then.You understand?

Then you don't mindnot having much money

because you have gotsomething in yourself.

Right?S: Yes, sir.

K: So find out, all of you,find out

your own talent,something of your own

not imposed by education,by your parents, by society

but find out somethingthat you have for yourself.

S: But if our parentsforce us to do something.

K: I know your parents forceyou to become an engineer

force you to becomesomething or other.

But while you are young play thegame and say, 'Yes, I accept that'

and find out for yourself.

S: But supposingsomething happens to you.

K: I know, just listento what I am saying.

Because I have gotsomething more to say.

Right?S: Yes.

K: You don't mind?S: No, sir.

K: And also you are goingto enter into a world

when you leave thismarvellous valley

with all the rocks,and the shadows

and the trees, and the flowers,and the really peaceful campus

you are going to face aworld that is terrible. Right?

There is violence,kidnapping

shooting, bribing.

The world is becomingmore and more dangerous.

Right?

And the world isbecoming corrupt

all over the world,not only in India

where it is quite blatant.

You know what the word'blatant' means? Quite open.

They say, 'Give me somethingbefore I will do something else'.

There is corruption.Right?

All over the world, notonly here in this country

but in America,in France

in England- political corruption

social corruption,black market and so on.

There is tremendouscorruption all over the world.

Right?

We say that corruption is bribing,

passing money under the table

paying cash withoutgiving an account.

All that is called corruption.Right?

But that is only a symptom.

Do you knowwhat 'symptom' means?

S: Yes, sir, signs.

K: Do you knowwhat 'symptom' is?

Symptom is I have eatensomething, very heavy food

and I have got tummy ache.

The tummy ache is the symptom.

But the cause is myeating the wrong food.

Got it?S: Yes, sir.

K: So, I want to go intothe cause of corruption.

We say corruption -I hope you are all listening

because you are allgoing to face the world

when you leave Rishi Valley.

S: Sir, supposing if you don'ttake the money he is giving, sir

he might do something worse.If you take the money

K: If I give you money underthe table you become corrupt.

S: Yes, sir.

K: And then you also become corruptbecause you are accepting money.

Right?S: Yes, sir.

But if I don't take the

money he might do something.

K: I know, I know. If youdon't take it he will hurt you.

Just listen, understand, whatis the cause of corruption.

You understand?

Corruption isn't merelypassing money

under the table,bribing, black market

but the cause issomething entirely different.

Right?

I am going to go intothat if you are interested.

Corruption beginswith self-interest.

Do you understand this?S: Yes, sir.

K: If I am interested inmyself, in what I want

what I must be,if I am greedy

envious, harsh, brutal,cruel, there is corruption.

You understand?

Corruption begins in your heart, inyour mind, not just giving money

that also is corruption

but the real cause ofcorruption is inside you.

Unless you find thatout and change that

you will bea corrupt human being.

Do you understandwhat I am saying?

Corruption iswhen you are angry

when you are jealous,when you hate people

when you are lazy,when you say

'This is right, and I feelthis is right' and stick to it.

You understandwhat I am saying?

S: Sir, it looks like everythingcomes under selfishness.

K: Everything comes underselfishness. You are quite right.

Corruption begins there.

You understand, old boy?S: Yes, sir.

K: So don't be corrupt.

It doesn't matterif you die for it.

S: SirK: Wait, listen to me.

You understand?We are all so frightened.

You say, 'How will I live? Whatwill I do if I am not corrupt

when all the peoplearound me are corrupt?'

You understand whatI mean by corruption

not just the outward sign but thedeep inward sense of corruption

that human beings live with -selfish, thinking about themselves

wanting their success, envious- you understand?

So, corruption is inside, inyour heart, in your brain.

So if you understandthat very carefully

and you are really

serious, not cynical

most of those grown-upboys who are going to leave

have become cynical, they seewhat the world is, they say

'Well, I have got to accept it'.That is a form of cynicism.

But if you understand very carefullyfrom now that corruption is

not merely passing moneyunder the table, bribing

bribing whetherit is two rupees

or ten million dollars,it is still bribing.

And being violent is part of what iscalled corruption, terror, all that.

That is what ishappening in the world.

You are a human being growingup, don't be like them.

Don't become angry, don't beenvious, don't always seek success.

S: Sir, how can we stop all that?How can we stop being envious?

K: If you want to be envious beenvious and see what happens.

You understand?

But if you don't want to beenvious, don't be envious.

Don't say, how do I stop it?

If you see something dangerous, likea cobra, nobody tells you - you run.

Right?

So, corruption insideis most dangerous.

Right?So don't be corrupt.

Begin there first,

not out there.

You understand?S: Yes, sir.

K: Will you do it?Don't promise.

Don't ever promise unless you areabsolutely going to carry it out.

Right?

But if you see howimportant it is in life

because you areall growing up

growing intothis terrible world.

It's insane world.You understand?

There is no sanity in the politicalworld, in the religious world.

Right?

In the economic worldthere is no sanity.

So, please, I am just pointing outto you, whether you are grown up

or leaving thismarvellous valley

or staying here foranother two, four years

don't be corrupt,inside

don't seek vanity, pride

don't say, 'I amsuperior to somebody else'.

You know, you learn a greatdeal when there is humility.

You know the word 'humility'?

You learn a great dealif you are really humble.

But if you are merelyseeking success

money, money, money,power, position

status - you understand? - thenyou are beginning with corruption.

You might be poor,be poor, who cares.

That's why it isimportant for you

for all of you, tofind your own talent

and stick to it eventhough it doesn't

bring you success,fame, and all that

which is all nonsense anyhowbecause we are all going to die.

You understand, old boy?

While you live, live, not withall the rubbish that is going on.

S: Sir, why don't peoplerealise this?

K: Because they don'tthink, they don't feel

they are thinking aboutthemselves all the time, their job

their administration,their work.

You understand? They are notinterested in this. But if you are

S: How do youstop being selfish?

K: How do you stop beingselfish? Don't be selfish.

Just listen.

Don't ever ask anybody, 'How?'

You understand?

Then they will tell youhow, then you are lost.

That is the biggest corruption.

S: You mean we mustfind out for ourselves.

K: Find out, enquire, useyour brain, doubt, question.

Don't merely accept.

I am your teacher, supposeI am your teacher.

I want to see that youhave a very good brain.

Right?

To have a good brain meansnot to have conflict

in yourself orwith somebody else.

I know all this is too much.

S: I wanted to ask you, sir -supposing you are not mistaken

and someone doessomething to you?

K: If someone doessomething harm to you

what will you do?Hit him back?

S: It depends on thedepth of what he has done.

K: Yes, you have said it.By Jove, you are quite

If he hurts you deeplywhat will you do?

Have you asked what itmeans to be hurt?

Go on. Think with me.Think with me!

S: Sir, is it corruptionagain to be hurt?

K: Just listen.

Suppose I hurt you very deeply;suppose - I don't want to hurt you

suppose I want tohurt you very deeply.

Now, you say, 'I am hurt'.

Now, what do you mean by that?

Use your brain.Don't repeat.

S: Physically?K: Yes, not only physically

but inside,he hurts you.

He calls you a fool.S: Sir, I think

K: Just listen carefully.All of you listen carefully.

He calls you a fool,and you get hurt.

Right? Have you foundout what gets hurt?

Careful, careful!

S: If you think you aren't a fooland then someone comes along

K: Look, somebody calls you a fooland somebody calls you a great man

they are both the same,aren't they?

Do you understandwhat I am saying?

Somebody calls me a fool, an idiot,and I get hurt - suppose.

What gets hurt?

Careful, think it out, don'treply quickly, think it out.

K: Think it out.No, I won't listen.

I said think it out,carefully think it out.

I am asking you, I call you an idiot- I am not saying that

and you get hurt.

What do you mean,you getting hurt?

What is you?S: Your ego.

K: Think it out,old girl, think it out.

S: It is me, my ego.K: What are you?

S: I am one

K: Come over here,old boy.

Sit in here.

Come on, don't waste time.

I know you, so go on.

S: Sir, what is hurt is me,what I have build of myself.

K: That's it. What you have builtof yourself, which means what?

S: Sir, what has been achieved, whatI have achieved, what I have done.

K: What you have done,what you have achieved.

Why are you all soaccustomed to achievement?

You all talk about achievement.

Like your father, your mother, yourgrandmothers, they have achieved.

Right? They have becomesuccessful, you mean.

S: No, sir, what theyhave done to themselves.

K: Yes.

Say, for instance, I have beenall over some of the world. Right?

I have talked to variousthousands of people

I have been to the United Nations,

all kinds of things I have done.

Right? Which means I have builtan image, a picture about myself.

Right?Picture about myself.

You come along and say, 'You are anidiot' - and I get hurt - suppose.

What gets hurt?

S: My feelings.K: My feelings, my image.

S: The image of yourself.K: Yes, that's right.

The image of myself because Ihave travelled, I am a great man

I have written books,I have seen Mrs Gandhi.

You follow?

I have built an image aboutmyself; that image gets hurt.

Now, the next step,listen carefully.

Can I live without image,any image?

S: Can you, sir?K: Can I? Yes.

I wouldn't otherwisetalk about it.

That is dishonesty totalk about something

that you yourself are not living.S: Sir, but you want to go

K: Wait, wait, listen towhat I am saying, old boy.

So, have you an imageat this age?

Of course, all of youhave images.

And those images get hurt.

And all through life

you will get hurt

as long as youhave those images.

S: Should you forget them, sir?K: Leave them, don't have them.

Somebody - many peoplehave flattered me

and many peoplehave insulted me.

I have no image, I can'tget hurt, it doesn't matter.

You understand?S: Yes, sir.

K: Be like that.That is where corruption begins.

S: Sir, but how do youget rid of your images?

K: How do youget rid of images?

If you see they are dangerous youwill get rid of them immediately.

S: Sir, if you get rid ofimages, what is left of you?

K: Nothing!S: Then what are you?

K: Wait!Listen to what I said.

Be nothingand then you live.

You will understand later.

S: Sir, those might have images ofyou but we shouldn't have images.

K: Yes. Let the others haveimages, don't you have them.

S: Sir, sometimeswe don't have images

K: Not 'sometimes'.

Are you talking seriously,or theoretically?

S: No, suppose a person canK: Why do you suppose?

S: If a person doesn't have an imageisn't he likely to feel insecure?

K: Be insecure!

Know you are insecure.

Then find outwhat is security.

But if you are alwaysseeking security

you don't knowwhether you are insecure.

But first find out for yourself ifyou are insecure, what it means

physically, inwardly,and so on.

S: Whether you have an imageor not you are insecure.

K: Whether you have an imageor not, you are insecure.

I am asking you, have youfound out if you are insecure

or are you just talking?

S: Sir, I feel insecureabout some things.

K: Wait. Find out what it means,what it means to be insecure.

Either you are insecure physically- right? - or economically

or insecure in publicopinion - right?

or insecurein money matters

or insecure in yourrelationships. Find out.

S: And then what, sir?

K: When you learn where there isinsecurity then you are secure.

Get that, old boy.

S: Sir, do you have an image?K: Listen to what I said.

You get it?

When you find out for yourself

what is insecure,where you are insecure

with your family, with yourfather, with your mother

with your wife orhusband, with god

You understand?Find out, learn about it.

The moment you know and have learnta great deal about insecurity

then you are out ofit, then you are secure.

S: Sir, if you learn a greatdeal about insecurity

you don't knowthe full insecurity.

K: Oh, yes, you will.

Sir, if you begin rightly- do you understand?

then what is rightis at the beginning.

This is too difficult.

S: Sir, are you saying, live withinsecurity to find out what it is?

K: You are insecure, notlive with insecurity.

You just now said,'I am insecure'.

Live with it, find out.

Use your brain to find out.

Don't become mechanical.

S: Sir, to get rid of insecurity wehave to get rid of fear first, no?

K: Fear. Right?

Now, I am going to show you, youhave to learn, not from me, learn.

What is fear?

S: Fear is the thingwhich we think about.

S: Something youdon't know about.

K: Wait, sir. You don't listento somebody else first

you are always readywith your own questions.

He said - do you knowwhat he said?

You don't becauseyou didn't listen

because your own question wasmore important; that is selfishness.

Right?

He said, 'Fear, how is oneto be free of fear?' Right?

You meant that, didn't you?

Right?So, first listen to that question.

He said, 'What is fear, howis one to be free of it?'

Now, do you knowyou are afraid?

S: Yes, sir.K: Yes, sir! Why?

S: I think it is because I think ofsomething which makes me feel afraid.

K: Now, just a minute you havesaid something tremendous.

I don't know if youare aware of it.

You have saidsomething very true.

S: Then if we don't

think of something

K: That's it.

You have learnt the firstthing, that thinking brings fear.

Right? Right?S: Yes, sir.

K: So, you have to find out what isthinking, not how to stop fear.

You understand?

You just now saidvery carefully

that thinking bringsfear, which is true.

I might die tomorrowand I am frightened.

I might lose my job,I am frightened. Right?

So thinking brings fear.

Then what is thinking?Now go step by step to find out.

What is thinking?

S: Sir, is it that to get rid offear we have to get rid of thinking?

K: No. I said never get rid ofanything because it will come back.

S: So you see thatfear is dangerous

K: Yes.No, first listen carefully.

I said to you, fear, hesaid, fear exists, comes

when you thinkabout something. Right?

Fear - I might die, fear - I mightlose my job, fear of my father

fear of my teachers.Right?

So as long as you are thinking aboutthe future - right? - there is fear.

Right? Now you have tofind out what is thinking.

S: It might be selfishness.K: Yes, wait, wait.

I am asking you something,first listen, old boy.

I am not trying to stop you.What is thinking?

Carefully.Use your brain.

S: What the brain does?

K: No, use your brain tofind out what is thinking.

S: Imagination, sir.K: Imagination, go on.

S: Sir, what you have seen yourecord and you think about it.

K: That is good,you are beginning.

You are recording, aren't you?That is - Oh, lord!

I'll show you.

Our brain, what is insidethe skull, is recording.

You are recording mathematics.

You are recording geography,history, you are recording.

A tape is recording.This is recording, down there.

You understand?

I am talking, electrically itis connected to that machine

and that is recordingon the tape.

Our brain actsexactly like that.

It is recording.Right?

Mathematics, history,geography, your father

it has recorded your father.

Right?Now, wait a minute.

What do you mean by recording?Think it out, use your brain.

S: It recalls somethingback again.

K: What do you mean recording?S: Absorbs.

K: Isn't it necessary to record?S: Yes.

K: Why?

S: Sir, to link thepast with the future.

K: No, isn't itnecessary to record?

I hope the older boys arepaying attention to all this

because it is their life.

So, recording is necessary when youwrite a letter, when you drive a car.

Right? When you have to passan exam - unfortunately

when you record that you have afather in some place, and a mother.

All that is recording,that is necessary.

Now, there is alsoanother recording.

I get hurt - you get it?S: Yes, sir.

K: There are two kinds of recording- the recording of driving a car

writing a letter, becomingIAS, becoming an engineer.

Listen carefully, old boy,you are following?

And there is also anotherrecording - me first, I am selfish

I want this,I want success.

Right?

So, these two arerecording all the time.

Which is recording is memory,isn't it?

Memory of your father,memory of your mathematics.

Right? So recording meansmemory, which is repeating.

Do you see this?

When you learn mathematics youare recording, you are repeating

memorising like that tape.

Right?So, you become mechanical.

Like that tape is mechanical,it repeats, repeats, repeats

I am a Brahmin,I am a Brahmin

I am a Hindu,I am a Hindu

I am against Communist,Communist. Right?

And so on. Our brains then becomeconditioned, limited, small.

Right?So thinking is part of memory.

You can't have memory if youhaven't met your father

if you haven't seenyour father, your mother.

So, you have seen thefather and your mother

and that is stored in the brain asmemory, and also that is knowledge

and knowledge is based onexperience - of course.

S: I am memorising.K: You are memory.

You understand?

You are memory, the wholeof your being is memory.

Memory that you are atman

memory you have got a soul,memory there is light inside you

memory that there is god.It is all still memory.

You listen carefully, find out if itis true what the speaker is saying

or it is a lie.

You understand?Find out.

You are memory, withoutmemory you are nothing.

Memory of your name,memory of your family

memory of mathematics,memory of going up that hill

memory of your friend.

Right?So you are memory.

Memory is somethingdead, gone.

S: Then how are we alive?

K: Because the organ, you havefood, you have air, water.

S: Then how can we

K: Find out, sir,that is the great point.

You understand?

Find out what is truth.

Memory is not truth.

S: Sir, what doyou mean by truth?

K: You can't describe it.

What is the flower?What is that flower?

Look at it.

You never ask when you are lookingat that flower, what is it

how did it come,the beauty of it.

Please learn something.Beauty is truth.

You understand?Beauty is truth.

The beauty of a good life- good life, not successful life

Now, sirs, it is ten to eleven,will you sit quietly for a minute?

Sit quietly.

All right, sirs,thank you.