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PL AY A

GAME!BIGGER

ROWDYTALKS

INTERVIEWSERIES

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© Rowdy McLean 2011 This Book Is Copyright.

All Rights Reserved. Apart from fair dealing for the purpose of private study, research, criticism or review, as permitted under the copyright act, no part of this publication may be reproduced, stored or introduced into a retrieval system, or transmitted in any form or by any means without the written permission of Rowdy McLean.

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ABOUT THE INTERVIEWERRon McLean has been known as ‘Rowdy’ most of his life because he is easy going, friendly, light hearted, pragmatic, down to earth and real. Rowdy is an expert on productivity, personal growth and achievement. He is the master of making things happen and getting things done and has achieved some remarkable things.

Ultimately we all want more, more money, more time, more fun, more love, more customers. Rowdy has spent the last decade studying the key drivers of success and achievement. He has developed a process to help individuals, teams and organisations unlock potential and play a much bigger game than they ever thought possible.

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ABOUT THE SERIESThe Rowdy Talks series is unique and motivating series. Professional speaker and consultant Rowdy Mclean takes his hand held camera or iPhone4 every where he goes and on meeting with some of Australia’s most renowned experts and specialists he springs them with a quick interview.

Rowdy endeavours and digs into how these successful players are to Play A Bigger Game in both business and in life. Rowdy’s open interview style and casual approach leaves these experts revealing more than they problem wanted to.

Read, learn and be inspired!

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Andrew Roberts

Andrew Roberts is one of Australia’s leading business coaches, in his first 3 years of business coaching he trained more than 10,000 businesses. He has coached some of the fastest growing businesses in Australia.

With the help of a business partner Andrew Roberts created one of the fastest growing and largest Business Coaching companies in the world (at the time) within the ACTION Group. He is an expert at time management and helping people get a big return for less effort.

During their interview Andrew Roberts talks to Rowdy about why it is so important to invest in yourself if you want to Play A Bigger Game. He touches on the story of why he invested $25,000 into just a 10 day course. Throughout the interview Andrew Roberts paints a clear picture as to why it’s not where you’re currently at that matters it is where you believe you can be at!

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Craig Rispin

Craig Rispin is a well known business futurist and innovation expert. His expertise is in emerging business, people and technology trends – and how companies can profit from them.

Craig has over 20 years experience working where the future has been created, with some of the most innovative companies in the world in the IT, consumer electronics, internet and broadcasting industries. In fact, Craig got his start much earlier than that by teaching adults about technology and trends from the age of 10 (really)!

During this interview Rowdy endeavours into Craig Rispin’s history engaging him to reveal his 20 million dollar company that he sold to a 20 billion dollar company. Craig Rispin goes on further to explain why large multi-million dollar companies are deciding to not have an IT department despite the growing trend in technology and communications.

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Dale Beaumont

Dale Beaumont is widely recognised as the expert for those that want to “build pro-file” fast and make more money. With an obvious track-record of personal success, Dale is now a sought-after speaker and teaches others how to quickly become a micro-celebrity in their field.

Dale is also the author of 16 best-selling books, which have collectively sold over 250,000 copies. Incredibly, 11 of those books were published in a single year, a feat that earned him the title ‘Australia’s Most Prolific Author’. As a result, Dale has been interviewed on Sunrise, Today Show, Mornings with Kerri-Anne, Ten News, ABC Ra-dio, Radio 2UE.

Dale Beamont talks to Rowdy about why success does not grow in a straight line using some fantastic examples of his real life experiences. Throughout the interview Dale expresses why he thinks peoples expectations are to low and why they should ‘double’ whatever it is they think is possible.

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Michael & Shar Henderson

Michael & Shar Henderson are corporate anthropologists, authors and consultants. They specilaise in helping corporations understand cultures within their business, and are experts in how to create an engaging culture amongst staff.

Michael & Shar Henderson are co-founders of the company values at work that provides knowledge, skills and processes for individuals and organisations to create a values aligned culture.

During their interview with Rowdy, Michael & Shar talk about ‘unbelieving’ emphasis-ing the importance of blocking out the negativity and negative thoughts in order to stay focused and Play A Bigger Game. They also explain why it is important to declare your goals and don’t be shy about letting other people know what you want to achieve, illustrating that if you don’t put it your idea on the table then it cant manifest itself.

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Video TranscriptionRowdy talks to...Andrew Roberts

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Rowdy:Hi, welcome to ‘Play A Bigger Game!’ I’m in my office today with a mentor of mine Andrew Rob-erts. Andrew is a business coach, he’s helped businesses earn hundreds of thousands, millions of dollars and his focus at the moment is helping individuals and businesses understand the value of webinars and how webinars can bring people into their business. Andrew’s a great friend of mine and he’s in town for the day and we thought we’d catch up and I thought I’d take the op-portunity to ask Andrew his thoughts on, you know. How do you think Andrew, people can play a bigger game?

Andrew: Yes Rowdy it’s great to be here and yes we were chatting about this this morning and I constantly come back to this will all of my clients because for me it all has to start with the mindset of the actual entrepreneur or the person that wants to play a bigger game. And the number one thing to play a bigger game stems back to what I believe is belief.

And if you look at belief, there’s three ways to believe. You need to hear about it, you need to see it and then you need to do it. And I think far too many people don’t focus on the first step which is actually hearing about it. And in order to hear about it we need to focus on investing in our-selves and educating ourselves with people that have been there before us and actually done it to actually build the belief to give us permission that yes we can do it. And then once we hear about it, we then go and witness some other people doing it and then eventually we do it.

So yes Rowdy it really stems back, for me, initially with belief.

Rowdy: Yes, so that mindset. So is that an evolution do you think? So do people just go “I’m going to commit to this.” Or do they grow into it?

Andrew: Well, it’s a decision. And I shared a story with Rowdy this morning and I’ll share it with your audi-ence, that 10 years ago I was just finished university, I was working in a corporate – I think I was on a job that was paying me around about 30 to 40 thousand dollars per year. I had very little savings at that point and I was heavily in debt with the university HECS debts. And I was listen-ing to a guy present and he was up on stage, there was 500 of us in the room, and he was talk-ing about how most people’s biggest asset that they would ever accumulate is their house. And they would save all this money, maybe 50, 100 thousand dollars and they’ll invest it into a house. And he basically said that the biggest asset that we’ve all got is us and how much money do we invest into ourselves? And I remember sitting in the audience and I’d never really been taught this, that it’s so important to invest in ourselves. And he went on to say that if you’re your biggest asset, how much money are you spending into yourself?

So Rowdy I was fortunate at a very early age to make a decision to become comfortable with investing money into myself. And the very very first step that I ever took was I borrowed 25 thou-sand dollars on a 14 percent interest and bought myself a 10 day course to actually work on my mindset, to get me comfortable generating in excess of six figures initially and then eventually in excess of seven figures. And I’ve made a decision to never stop investing in me until I get to that

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level and that’s where it all stems. And it’s a decision and I feel a comfort level of being prepared to invest into yourself and be completely okay with it.

Rowdy: Yes, I like the way that you draw the parallels of investing and I’ve never really thought about that before but we do, when we buy a house we do call it ‘investing’. When we do something for our-selves we call it ‘spending’ and not ‘investing’ don’t we. So that investment that you made has paid off handsomely.

Andrew: Well I went to this 10 day course and I was scared, like anyone spending that sort of money, go-ing into debt with zero money to my name anyway is a frightening experience and it brings up a lot of fears. And this particular course that I went to, I made my money back on day one. And when people ask me “How did you make a buck on day one?” Well, the people presenting the course taught me to believe in myself and I started thinking “Wow, maybe I can make 100 thou-sand dollars a year. Maybe I can make a million dollars a year.” And by the end of the 10 days Rowdy, I got – I just put 25 thousand dollars in a course, I would have paid 100 thousand dollars for it if I had my time again. Because I walked into that course a person earning 40 thousand dol-lars per year and I walked out of that course a person who could believe that they could generate a million dollars per year and that’s the difference.

It’s not where you’re currently at; it’s where you believe you can be at. And once you’ve got the belief that you can make or generate or do more in your life, that’s all you need. And there’s a little saying, ‘There’s two types of people, those that need to see and then believe or those that believe first and then they’ll see.’ And I believe the latter is where you need to be because if you believe, then you’ll attract the opportunities in order for you to play that bigger game.

Rowdy: Yes. Yes so I love talking to you Andrew because you get so passionate. You lose yourself in ex-plaining that to people because you believe in it.

Andrew: Yes.

Rowdy: And you can see that in this video.

But I suppose not everybody’s going to spend 25 thousand dollars. So, investing in yourself could be buying a book, finding a book that you’re aligned with, that suits your vision or ambition and, you know, pouring through it, making notes, pulling it apart, learning stuff from it. It could be as simple as that couldn’t it.

Andrew: Totally. And as a 30 dollar book that’s written by someone that’s achieved what you want to set out is just an amazing investment into you. And it’s a dedication of time and quite often I’ll be coaching clients Rowdy and I’ll get them to commit to reading a book a week for three months. And so by moving through 12 books or 12 audio CDs it might be if you don’t like to read you can download the book from audible.com. The transformation that those client’s will go through in three months moves them to a bigger game, there’s no doubt about it. People - the shifts that you are making in yourself are extraordinary.

But there’s one key point that I always need to point out. It’s not the reading, it’s the appli-

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cation of what you learn and I remember – the Dalai Lama I think pointed it out, wisdom is actu-ally applying the knowledge. So you’re often better taking some information from one book and applying it instead of reading 50 and doing nothing with it. So as long as you implement what you’re actually learning.

Rowdy: Andrew as usual, whenever I talk to you you’re just dropping diamonds on the ground. There’s some fantastic information in this video and I’ve let it go longer than I normally would simply because I just love the information that you’re pouring out there. There’s some gold in there for people. And I thank you for spending some time on ‘Play A Bigger Game!’

Andrew: Thanks Rowdy.

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Video TranscriptionRowdy talks to...Craig Rispin

Rowdy: I’m just here with a really fantastic friend of mine all the way from California in the United States, Craig Rispin. How are you Craig?

Craig: I’m fantastic, how about you?

Rowdy: Fantastic mate, I’m really good. You know, Craig’s the guy I go to when I want to play a bigger game around technology or the future. I love hanging out with Craig because he says to me “Oh Rowdy, you’re doing this,” or “You’ve got this.” And I straight away know that, no I don’t. No I don’t. That’s true Craig isn’t it.

Craig: It is. So many people don’t see all the changes going on around them because they’re so busy doing. And to play a bigger game they need to be a little heads up and looking over the horizon, wouldn’t you say?

Rowdy: Yes absolutely. That’s definitely what you’ve been able to help me with from a technology point of view. And, so Craig, you know playing a bigger game, I get to talk to some people about the games that they’ve played and we pass that information on to the people watching these videos so that they can play a bigger game.

And, so, tell us a little bit about your story, you know, you moved here from the United States, I know that you’ve worked for some pretty cool companies and you’ve even started up your own and sold it off to another pretty cool company. Tell us that story.

Craig: Well from a very early age I knew that I had to be involved with technology because I saw it com-ing over the horizon and actually somebody introduced it to me, somebody you might know, a great futurist by the name of Arthur C Clarke. I met him when I was 10 years old so I knew that the future was going to be defined by technology. It was going to change society and it certainly has hasn’t it.

Rowdy: Absolutely.

Craig: So, I kept on studying and I found that there were big changes coming ahead and I started in-vesting my time in what was going to be emerging rather than what was happening now. And that’s how I got involved with Apple Computer and then it was eventually my own start up. And Phillips electronics and a big company, a newspaper publisher who you may know by the name of Fairfax brought me out to Australia. They bought my company and that’s what brought me here 15 years ago to Australia.

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Rowdy: Yes that was playing a bigger game, a start up that you sold off to Fairfax, that’s pretty cool.

Craig: Yes it was a little 20 million dollar company sold to a billion dollar company and that’s always playing in a bigger sandbox, let’s put it that way.

Rowdy: That is playing a bigger game. And so what made you want to play a bigger game?

Craig: Well, you know, I just always had this aspiration that there should be more to life, that there could be more to life, that you could do things that were more under your control rather than working for other people necessarily. Or even if you are working with other people, you could make your little area, that little part of your company your own and transform it. And so I was always looking for the next big thing, the next step. And one of my great mentors said “Craig, don’t even look for the next thing, look for the next, next thing and invest there.” And I’ve always followed that advice and tried to look at, you know, what’s coming over the horizon.

Rowdy: So at ‘Play A Bigger Game!’ we talk about how people can achieve more, be more, do more and have more and definitely the stuff that you do with individuals, teams and organisations is about those four things. So the people watching this I reckon, they’d like to tap into Craig like I love to do and get a bit of play a bigger game advice from Craig. What would that be?

Craig: Well, we’re going through this transformation in technology right now that’s going to change business forever and it’s going to allow you certainly to do more. But don’t think about technol-ogy as your desktop computer or your laptop, we’re going through this huge transition where it’s all mobile technology. So, mobile phones and IPads and the like, we’re talking about significant change. An order of magnitude larger – if you look at it right now there are hundreds of millions of computers being sold every year, but there are billions of mobile technologies, of devices being sold. So it’s just a completely different order of magnitude but definitely a bigger game.

So this is the challenge that I would put out to your viewers of this, could you run your entire busi-ness in the palm of your hand? Could your entire business be enabled through mobile technol-ogy? And if it can, then you would be riding on that huge growth spurt as well. Hook yourself to that billion dollar sell through, billions of dollars in sell through and you can’t go wrong.

Rowdy: Yes. And even for those individuals who don’t have a business, the ability to access stuff like ‘Play A Bigger Game!’ so I would like to think that if not now, at least in the future, everybody will be watching this on their mobile device rather than on their desktop or on their laptop.

Craig: Oh certainly. You know, television, newspapers, book publishing, it’s all going this way. But even if you, you know, don’t run your own company, you’re still your own profit centre. You’re your own little business and you can use this technology even if the IT department doesn’t give it to you, you can get access to it yourself. So I have some friends that work in big IT departments, huge businesses, I actually advise one business who have a billion dollar IT budget, but still the IT department doesn’t really serve the needs of their modern executives and what they want to do

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with social networking and the like. So they’re taking upon themselves to buy their own IPhones, redirect their mail from their Microsoft based email system to their IPhones and then create their own workspace on their mobile device and they don’t have to talk to anybody in IT. And you know, this is actually the trend now, where more and more companies are saying, “You sort out your own technology, we’re not going to have an IT department anymore.”

Rowdy: That’s amazing. And, you know, probably a great indicator of the shift in trends towards mo-bile devices was the information that you were telling me just before we sat down to have this chat, was that Apple’s latest product, they could have doubled the amount of sales but they just couldn’t build them quick enough.

Craig: They couldn’t. And, you know, probably the Tsunami that hit Japan probably impacted that quite a bit because some of their technology was being, their screen technology was being developed in Japan, so that did have an impact. But no, Apple’s in a situation now where Apple used to be a computer company and they decided to play a bigger game, to move into a market that was much bigger than them. You know, they decided to go head on to Nokia and that was crazy talk for most people. But they moved into this area, now half of Apple’s profits come through the IP-hone. Half. Now they would have been giving up half their revenue if they hadn’t played a bigger game and they hadn’t had a go at cracking that unbreakable giant company called Nokia. And boy they really have taken them on haven’t they.

Rowdy: Yes. So I reckon the gold in your chat with me just now is, don’t be afraid to have a go.

Craig: That’s right, because I think what you find is when you really have a go and try and play a bigger game, what you’ll find is that there’s not many competitors that have the courage to also do that, so you don’t have much competition.

Rowdy: And mate I’m really glad that you had the courage to, one to move out to Australia to sell off your company to Fairfax and take the time to share information with people like me and help me play a bigger game. It’s been fantastic as usual talking to you this afternoon and I look forward to talk-ing to you again soon.

Craig: Thanks very much.

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Video TranscriptionRowdy talks to...Dale Beaumont

Rowdy: How are you going?

Dale: Good Rowdy.

Rowdy: Awesome mate.

I’m just hanging out this morning with Dale Beaumont. Dale has written 16 books, he started a company called Blue Print which teaches people how to be entrepreneurs.

And I thought Dale we might just take a few minutes to discuss – I’ve got a bit of a theme run-ning at the moment about playing a bigger game and talking to people about how they can play a bigger game in business or in life. And, you know, it’s great for me to be able to sit down with people like you and get your ideas on that and be able to share them with the people that come to my site.

So, what’s your thoughts on how the average person can play a bigger game? Dale: Yeah well I’m glad we’re having this conversation because when I chat with people I think their expectations of what’s really possible are far too low, you know. And so, what I really encourage people to do is, whatever you thinks’ possible, double it and then double it again and that’s where you should really be putting your energy and focus. Now the challenge with that is to understand that success doesn’t really grow in a straight line. It has a real, sort of compounding effect. And often times what will happen is that you’ll sometimes underachieve the goals that you set in per-haps 12 months. So you might have this grand big vision and you work for 12 months and you may only have done half and you might think it’s not really working, well it actually is, you’ve just got to keep going.

And as a perfect example to this, when I launched my books ‘The secrets exposed’ series, in the first year I published zero books, I just laid the foundations. In the second year we published two books and the year after that we published another two books and in the following year another four, we did eleven books in one year. And so it has a compounding effect and often times what will happen is, you might underachieve the goals you set in 12 months but you’ll overachieve the goals you set perhaps over five or ten years. So you’ll look back, you know, five or 10 years and go, “I’ve done way more than I ever even thought possible,” because each year builds on the next and builds on the next. And it doesn’t just grow a little bit, it has monumental increases because you now start building off that base that’s becoming bigger and bigger. Like a snowball, you know, it starts at the top very small and at the end it’s just gigantic.

Rowdy: So the work that you do in the first four years, you reaped the benefit of that in the fifth year. And we’re not saying that it will happen in the fifth year, but – do you think a lot of people give up in that early stages?

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Dale: Absolutely. A lot of people give up, you know, because when it comes to, like now as an entre-preneur and helping other entrepreneurs, you know, it’s really important to make the shift be-tween what I would call like an ‘employee mindset’ to an entrepreneurs mindset. An employee’s mindset is work get paid, work get paid, work get paid and if I stop working I stop getting paid. But as an entrepreneurs, it’s a case of work, work, work, work and there might not be any pay in those early days. And you, some people just stop and go “It’s all too hard,” and they go back doing whatever they’re doing. But if you actually stay committed you’ll start to get paid. So it’ll be work, work, work, paid. And then you’ll work, work and then paid, paid, paid, paid, paid and you have this whole run of generating this amazing income and you think ‘where was that all that money made?’ Well it was made months or years before like in one year when we released over 200 000 books in that one year and we did, you know, over half a million dollars worth of book sales, I never think for one moment think that I made that money in one year. I made that money four years ago when I was in my pyjamas at 2am in the morning earning zero.

So it’s really important to, you know, to have that focus, that longevity, and that persistence because the moment you kind of stop all that momentum and energy dies and you have to start again from scratch.

But going back to that topic of playing a bigger game, you know, a lot of people, they just, you know, what I’ve achieved, “Wow how could you ever do that?” It’s just because I, you know, my mind was expanded enough to believe it was possible. So my key message here is just expand your thinking because you’re capable of so much more then what you may realise right now.

Rowdy: And I think one of the other keys that you’ve, that your imparting here is get going, and then keep going. A lot of people get going and then stop.

And the other thing that you made me think about is like, an athlete.

Dale: Yes.

Rowdy: Some athletes train for 12 years to get to the Olympics.

Dale: Yes.

Rowdy: And that defining moment happens in three short weeks in September in a leap year, but nobody really sees the work that went in for them to get there and stand on the podium with a medal of some description.

Dale: And there is a lot of work to be done laying the foundation at the beginning. But what I think hap-pens is, is that if you believe in, you know, the spiritual realm or God or whatever you call it, but often times, you know, the universe just sort of, for maybe a few months or a few years, just sort of is asking us the question “Is this person really serious about it? Are they really going to stick at it?” And often a lot of our friends will wait back and go “Is this just another crazy idea that Rowdy has dreamt up?” you know, “Can we really support him?” But when people actually see that you’re serious and you’re not quitting and you’re not giving up, you’ll start to attract your amazing

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support and amazing resources or it could be investors or it could be other people that say “Look I see what you’re doing and I really see the vision and I get it and I want to support you to take this to that next level.”

Or, you know, in our case before I was doing books I was running programs for teenagers and we were doing great work. And then someone noticed us who was on holidays from a business trip, he was from Singapore, he was in Australia and saw us on TV and said “Would you be willing to come to Singapore and run your programs over here?” So these amazing things will start to happen which will just expand and expand and expand, but you’ve just got to push through those early months and those early years and just stay true to your vision.

Rowdy: Awesome mate, that’s been a really really good chat. There’s some great, useful ideas there I think that people can tap into and apply in their business or in their life and play a bigger game.

Dale: Absolutely.

Rowdy: Thanks for spending a few minutes with Rowdy talking about how to play a bigger game.

Dale: It’s been a pleasure, thanks so much.

Rowdy: Thanks mate.

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Video TranscriptionRowdy talks to...Michael & Shar Jackson

Rowdy: Welcome Michael and Shar. Thank you for taking the time to have a chat with me this morning about playing a bigger game. You know, I think a lot of people get caught in that rut of participat-ing in life on an average level and they’re not getting out of that comfort zone. And so I want to be able to talk to people about playing a bigger game. And it’s great to talk to you guys about playing a bigger game because I know you’ve played a bigger game right across the globe, being the experts on organisational culture having written six books around the subject and talked to many organisations and individuals about it.

So what I’d like to do this morning is get you to have a chat to the people watching this video about some ideas about how they can play a bigger game either in business or in life.

Michael:Cool.

Rowdy: So who’s going first?

Michael: You want to start?

Shar: He’s going first.

Michael: Me? I’ll start.

I guess one of the things we’re learnt Rowdy is – I really like what you’re doing with the play a bigger game concept and encouraging people to think about that and explore that for them-selves.

The first thing that struck me when I heard you sort of suggesting and encouraging people to do that is that our perception of what a bigger game is is often directly related to who we become as a person. So what we believe is possible, previous life experiences, what we see happening in the world and what we make that mean. So, the bigger game is obviously a perception of what you think can be done or should be done or what you’re even capable of doing, and that in itself is potentially a limitation on what is really possible for you. And I adopted a sort of little mantra a number of years ago which was ‘unbelievable’.

Unbelievable meaning I never thought that was possible, that’s unbelievable, and so yes let’s get into that it’s very exciting. And secondly I also used to use it whenever a negative thought would pop into my head. So let’s say I decided I wanted to write a book and then I go, “Oh yeah but who’s going to read the book? You know, I’m only me, who would read my stuff?” And I’d use the phrase ‘unbelievable’, which means that was just a belief that passed through my head and I can unbelieve that. There’s nothing that says that that’s true or that that is the way that things are going to be forever. So I just go ‘unbelievable’ which means it’s literally, I’ve just wiped that idea because that doesn’t serve me to play the bigger game or what I have intended for.

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So, it’s a really simple technique. I just like it because it can be double whammy. It can be ‘un-believable’, that’s really exciting, let’s go for it. And then when a negative thought pops into my head that’s going to stop me getting there I go ‘unbelievable’, wipe that, what’s a better belief to have is that “Who’s to stop me?” right. It’s only me, therefore if I get on and do it then it’s going to happen.

Rowdy: Yes. I love that. I love that. So you’re removing the negative sentiments as well as creating this awesome bar that you can aim for in one statement, I like that.

Michael: Yes, same. It made it fun as well, so even when I had a negative belief - and you do, negative thoughts go through your head – I just remind myself that that belief that just went through my head I don’t have to buy into, it just passed through, doesn’t mean it’s true. So yes just edited my thinking a lot of the time.

Rowdy: And I know that you’ve made me think that another thing you could do with that ‘unbelievable’ is go and find some evidence that makes you believe it’s true. So, find 10 people who did write a book.

Michael: Right.

Rowdy/Michael: Yes, yes.

Shar: And ask for their support as well in some places. I think some of the things that are difficult, is people don’t declare them. They’re sort of, they know – innately I know a lot of people actually are aware there’s something else they really want to be, they’re inspired to be. But because they don’t get it out and put it on the table then it almost, it can’t manifest itself. And what I mean by manifesting, it means there’s a lot of people that could actually support them to do that.

So I had a classic example in a workshop recently where a woman, she was a dog handler for customs, she loves dogs. It didn’t matter that she was in customs or what not, but what she re-ally wanted to be, and it became apparent when we gave her space to explore this, was that she wanted to be a dog whisperer. Now what was fascinating in that room when she actually came out and said that, there were three other people in the room who could actually make that con-nection to the famous dog whisperer in the States, which she could go and do the training.

Rowdy: Yeah.

Shar: So it’s that declaration I think and it takes a lot of courage to do that. But if you know, if there’s a safe environment where somebody can communicate that, you know, that inspiration that they have, then, you know, then you’re off. The bigger game starts to come to you in fact.

Rowdy: Yes. So I love that as well. So that -

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I think a lot of us started to think that the world’s not a safe place anymore, you know, with ter-rorism and, you know, we pick up the newspaper and stuff. But, you know, I find that people are really really generous. Like look at you guys taking the time to have a chat to us, but there’s not one person that I’ve asked to do this video series, and I’m asking some people who get paid hun-dreds of thousands of dollars do to events and work with organisations and not one person has said “No I don’t want to do that.” Every single person has said “Yes that’s a good idea.” I think you’re right. You put it out there, at least there’s an opportunity for somebody to help you along the path and give you a leg up. And people are generous; people are really generous I think.

Shar: Yes they are and they want to. They want to be able to – they had to have known that before. Often, you know, they’re going “Oh is that what you really want to do?” And it’s the same in or-ganisations. Real clarity around intent, which they’re not clear often, helps that growth.

Rowdy: Yes.

Shar: It makes their growth a lot easier for them. But a lot of the times they’ve all got their own indi-vidual things going on. They just need one sense of direction and, you know, a bigger game, and everybody can actually buy into that or align themselves with that.

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