march 2008 interview with david wolfe

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This transcript has been brought to you by David Wolfe’s TheBestDayEver.com NOTE: SITS has been changed to LNP in this transcript by the transcriber; also, it might be considered to edit or cut out section about agave in this transcript which was before the "Agave Blues" days as well as some outdated news (such as Avocado talking about a new probiotic he plans to put out). INTERVIEW WITH: David "Avocado" Wolfe INTERVIEWER: Lucien Gauthier DATE: March 2008 March 2008 – Part 1 Lucien: Okay, everyone. We are here with Avo for the March interview of TheBestDayEver, and we have got a great list of questions here, and Avo is gonna bestow his wisdom upon is this month. And the first question is, Hi David, I have a friend who recently passed a kidney stone. Now it looks as if he has another [00:01:05] one. What would you recommend to prevent kidney stones in the future and what should one do if one has a kidney stone? Thanks. Avocado: Excellent question. You know, my dad had kidney stones very severely when I was a kid,

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Page 1: March 2008 Interview With David Wolfe

This transcript has been brought to you by David Wolfe’s TheBestDayEver.com

NOTE: SITS has been changed to LNP in this transcript by the transcriber; also, it might be considered to edit or cut out section about agave in this transcript which was before the "Agave Blues" days as well as some outdated news (such as Avocado talking about a new probiotic he plans to put out).

INTERVIEW WITH:

David "Avocado" Wolfe

INTERVIEWER: Lucien GauthierDATE: March 2008

March 2008 – Part 1

Lucien: Okay, everyone. We are here with Avo for the March interview of TheBestDayEver, and we have got a great list of questions here, and Avo is gonna bestow his wisdom upon is this month. And the first question is,

Hi David, I have a friend who recently passed a kidney stone. Now it looks as if he has another [00:01:05] one. What would you recommend to prevent kidney stones in the future and what should one do if one has a kidney stone? Thanks.

Avocado: Excellent question. You know, my dad had kidney stones very severely when I was a kid, and I remember the pain that he went through. I mean, it was – passing a kidney stone is on the level of giving birth. I mean, it is that painful and that excruciating of an experience, and it's something that I hope that nobody ever has to go [00:01:32] through, but you know, it's part of our, it's part of the natural immune system challenges that we face as mammals. And what causes kidney stones is nanobacteria. We know that now. Nanobacteria are stone-forming or calcium-forming organisms that are

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microscopic clams the size of a virus. They are the smallest shell-forming organism in the world, and if they affect our kidneys then we call that a kidney stone. And when they pass they are very painful.

The important [00:02:06] and valuable part of this is that there is a solution, and there are two major herbs that are known to be either curative or very, very supportive of passing kidney stones, and one of them is chanca piedra. Chanca piedra means "break stone" and it has that name because it has been used for thousands of years in Amazonia and in Peru to break up kidney stones. And that particular plant can be made into a tea. So you can dry it, make it into a tea. You [00:02:33] can buy it on the Internet as a tea and literally just start drinking that stuff 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 strong teas of chanca piedra a day. And then – and this what I have heard from people who have done that – is that there is an intelligence that is in that plant that not only will help you pass the stone with vastly less pain, but it also has an effect of dilating your urinary tract so that you don't have that constriction so that the whole thing takes much less time [00:03:06] to pass.

There is another issue too, and that is chanca piedra is actually – it kills nanobacteria, so it has the effect of reducing our nanobacteria load or those microscopic clams and breaking down that calcification.

There is another one of course which is very powerful which is Joe Pye weed, otherwise known as gravel root. And gravel root has a tremendous history in American herbology as being [00:03:35] a kind of a universal curative, and the reason why that is, is because it's a nanobacteria killer. And it works specifically on kidney problems, and any good kidney formula – in fact I was looking at the Arise and Shine Kidney Formula recently, and they have gravel root as their first ingredient in that formula. There is also Earth, which is

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great product put out now by Healthforce that contains gravel root as the primary ingredient [00:03:57] [Note: Healthforce used gravel root in an earlier formula but no longer includes it in the product as of 2010, because "long term use is not recommended."], which is a phenomenal nanobacteria killer, excellent for the kidneys in terms of getting that calcification out.

But there is something else that is going on with gravel root which is really incredible, and that is it is tremendously rich minerals. So it is not only a superherb but it is a superfood, and probably should be somewhere in our diet if we are really kind of a longevity [00:04:23] yogi type of person. We should have gravel root in our diet somewhere at some time.

Lucien: Okay. Fantastic. Is there any other foods that you would recommend avoiding or anything that you would recommend avoiding that would contribute to the buildup of kidney stones?

Avocado: That is such a good question, Lou. That is something I often forget to do, and that's why I thank you for asking such a great question. And that is, yes. There are things [00:04:49] that we have to be careful about. One of them of course is sugar. Any type of high-sugar-content substance can trigger off a nanobacteria growth. There is no question that meat and dairy products have been associated with a heavy load of nanobacteria and probably are either instigators of nanobacteria illnesses or definitely contribute to nanobacteria illnesses such as kidney stones, so meat and dairy products have been shown to be a part of the whole equation.

Definitely [00:05:18] any kind of blood. The blood of animals contains nanobacteria, especially if it is factory-farmed, so any kind of thing that contains blood – again, meat products – should be avoid. There

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is also oxalic acid is an issue as well. Oxalic acid seems to be sucked up by nanobacteria and they use it to form shells out of or it contributes to shell formation, and oxalic acid is generally – where someone is going to get hit with it most in the kind of the diet today is [00:05:49] in processed, cooked chocolate bars – you know, the way that chocolate is kind of done in the industry way. So I would avoid things like that, like industrially processed chocolate.

Does spinach contain nanobacteria or can it be a nanobacteria problem with spinach? And the answer is probably not. There is probably not enough oxalic acid to significantly trigger a nanobacteria problem in spinach – or pretty much in any other major vegetable, with the [00:06:19] exception of beet greens. So if you are juicing beet greens that might be something you would want to avoid.So those are some dietary recommendations that go with this as well.

Lucien: Okay. Fantastic. The next question.

Dear Avocado, As someone who has been trying to lose weight almost all my life I have read or been told that if I eat too little my body will go into starvation mode where you will gain weight instead. Is this true or just [00:06:45] a myth? Would eating 700 to 1,000 mostly raw calories a day cause an obese person's metabolism to slow down? I don't like avocados or olives and I find it hard to consume more calories without eating lots of nuts. Thank you.

Avocado: Okay. Well, that's a little bit of a tricky issue. If someone cannot really eat avocados or olives and they want to lose weight then the next best bet is going to be seeds as a calorie source. Nuts are not a real good calorie source, [00:07:16] because they are great you know here and there but everybody has had the

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experience who has been playing around with live food for some period of time of overdoing nuts, and it's not a pleasant experience and it's something that kind of teaches you that nuts are a food but they are not a major food in our diet.

Can we eat less calories, for example 700 to 1,000 calories a day and get away with it in the long-term? And the answer is probably not. That [00:07:45] is a very low amount of calories. If you are a very disciplined person, you have been doing this for a very long period of time, yeah, you can get there.

If you are kind of in the place where this person is, I don't believe that that is probably a good goal. I believe a better goal is to eat a mostly raw food diet and if you need something that is a little bit grounding maybe cooked sweet potato or yam because it's not a fat but because the yam has been cooked [00:08:11] that starch then becomes heavy and the body kind of identifies it more like a fat even though it's a starch, and your body will go into a breakdown of that food substance. And that right there kind of gives caloric value but it doesn't add on pounds. You know it's a really way to go.

Now potato is a little bit too sweet and definitely not enough minerals and not enough backend kind of chemical compounds. For example yam and sweet potatoes have precursors [00:08:36] to hormones in them, so they are great food all the way around even if they are cooked, but potato doesn't have that; potato has a lot of toxins in it. So most likely, you know, you are better off doing a mostly raw food diet and if you want to add things in that are cooked then they should be well thought out and selected like that. And then that kind of a diet could be a great weight loss diet.

I believe strongly that there is a thyroid factor which is

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part of the weight problem that we have in the western world today, and that thyroid issue is addressed by detoxification and cleansing [00:09:13] – in particular doing intestinal cleansing, dropping a lot of the toxic load. Because the thyroid is in our neck, and that is where our whole immune system is, it's where most of the toxins gather. If we can bottom out the sink, get that stuff downstream out – for example in the intestines – then we can drain out a lot of the toxins that back up into the lymph nodes in our neck and in our throat. And a lot of people have chronic throat stuff, a lot [00:09:35] of people have chronic neck inflammation and thyroid problems, and this is [unintelligible phrase] even if we are unconscious of it.

And zeolites are a very powerful cleanser of the toxins that can cause thyroid problems. And then there are certain foods that help stimulate the production of a higher metabolism, and that would be coconut products, maca, kelp, Brazil nuts. Those are all great foods to stimulate metabolism. And in this person's case if they wanted to do a [00:10:07] lower calorie diet and not go into like a retention of fat because of starvation [unintelligible word], the way you would do that is to eat more often and less. So you would eat 5 or 6 times a day but less food at each meal.

Lucien: Right. Gotcha. All right. Super.

Dear Avocado, Hi. I am nearly 45 and have passed through menopause, but I am just about going bald in the last few weeks. My hair has been slowly thinning for a few years now but in the past few weeks it's [00:10:35] falling out at a rate of several hundreds a day. I am quite thin and do yoga daily, eat only healthy, pure foods, but I must admit a lot of them are cooked or heated.

I went on a mostly fruit and vegetable diet for a while,

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but I got a lot thinner and my rate of hair loss also increased. My hair and skin has become very dry. I have started taking kelp daily in recent months and it increases moisturization a little but has not stopped the hair loss. [00:11:00] It is quite hard to take when in all other respects I feel so young and well. Is there any advice you can give me? Thanks so much.

Avocado: This sounds like a hormone problem. I mean, there are factors that I would definitely address here, and one of those factors and key factors is mineralization. It sounds like this person has kind of clued in on the mineral [00:11:21] factor by consuming kelp. And there are other great superfoods that are rich in minerals, for example spirulina, bluegreen algae, and I really recommend getting much more strongly and heavily into superfood smoothies.

And then there is of course a major mineral – the major mineral which is related to hair growth – which is sulfur. But I believe that what is really going on here is hormonal, and it's probably a progesterone issue. There is not [00:11:51] enough progesterone being formed. Probably – it seems when hair loss becomes that severe that going to products like maca and coconut oil and coconut products which help to produce those healthy hormones may or may not be enough. May or may not be enough.

So what I would really recommend there is that you probably might want to go to the second generation of hormone precursors, which are things like pregnenolone. And pregnenolone is something [00:12:21] you can hunt around on the Internet for it. I believe Life Extension [note: Life Extension brand has non-vegetarian pregnenolone so check labels carefully] has it and also Quantum Nutrition Labs has it [note: this source is from wild yams]. Pregnenolone is just an incredible discovery, and it's really never been

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popularized in the right way as compared [00:12:41] to the power that it has. If more people knew about it, it really could be very helpful for people, because it helps to produce the right hormones – progesterone in particular.

Now if that doesn't work then we need to go to, then this person is going to need to go to a really good naturopath who specializes in hormones and supporting a natural hormone balance. And for women a natural hormone balance is going to consist of a very wide range of DHEA, [00:13:10] testosterone, the estrogens, which is like estrone, estradiol, etc., and progesterone. So it's a very wide range and it's a much more difficult situation in women than men because the postmenopausal situation plus the complexity of the hormones in women requires a more strategic, wholistic approach.

I was first really educated about hormones in women by Dr. Jonathan Wright, and I believe he is up in Washington state right. And that's [00:13:44] probably a good person to start with, maybe contact him in his office and see what he has to say. Or maybe there is someone local he can recommend, someone local who can help you to manage those hormone levels. And I can guarantee you that if you did a blood test and looked at those hormone levels you would find that they were substantially out of balance, and that is very likely the bottom of this issue.

Lucien: Okay. Fantastic.

Dear David, My question [00:14:07] is about humidifiers. I live in Massachusetts and we have pretty cold winters here. The air in my house is really dry. Should I get a humidifier? I have heard both good and bad things about them. The good obviously is they are putting moisture in the air, but the bad is that they

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spread germs and stuff. What do you think? If paired with an air purifier would that be the best air ever for a house during a Massachusetts winter? And if humidifiers [00:14:29] get the thumbs up, can you recommend the best one out there?

Avocado: Ah, that's a great question. I'm probably not adept enough on humidifiers today to really give you a good answer. I mean, the situation is such that the way we do it at my house is we have a wood-burning stove and we put tea out on that wood-burning stove and see what happens is, is over a period of time we may just let that water boil off and then that humidifies the [00:14:58] air. And that's the ancient technique for doing it.

The way it's done now with humidifying devices is not something I am very well versed on. I haven't really looked into that since I was probably about – really since I was a kid, maybe 13 or 14 years ago, and we kind of went through that whole humidifier thing, you know, to figure out what the best stuff was. And it's much different today, significantly more advanced, but I'm just not up on that type of technology [00:15:22] so I couldn't answer that.

I just want to address one other thing, and that is what about germs and stuff that's in the air. Well, if you have an ozonator in your house – in particular something that really works, like an Aranizer, (Aranizer.com), that device works. That will ozonate the heck out of your house. If you are humidifying and ozonating, you will not have a germ problem in your house, because that Aranizer will ozonate [00:15:52] all the molecules out of your atmosphere that are carrying bacteria or viruses and drop them right to the floor and it literally oxidizes them, maybe fries them to death.

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So, you know, those are considerations. You can do a combo humidifier with ozonator and that will make sure that you are not going to be spreading you know bacteria into the atmosphere inside your home.

Lucien: Okay. Super.

Dear Avocado, After learning all about superfoods and superherbs [00:16:16] I really would like to consume them all. I want all their wonderful effects. Now is there anything know about proper combinations, or is there something good about one medicinal herb at a time, or can I just go all out, make a tea with 50 herbs and make smoothies with that tea with every superfood powder in my cupboard?

Avocado: That's the $64,000 question, and the answer is it all depends on you. You know, it depends [00:16:45] on your metabolism.

I would recommend starting out simpler for a number of reasons. One is, the effects are probably going to be better in the beginning if you start out simpler and you will be able to tell what those effects are. That means you will have what we call sensory acuity about what a certain herb is doing for you. You know, if you combine 50 things together you are not going to know what is doing what, and especially if you are in a beginner [00:17:10] stage you do want to know what is doing what. You know, in the long-term picture you want to really know like, okay, you know, my throat is getting a little rough. What do I do? Which herb do I take? Which one of these do I focus on? And the way you get that experience is by starting with the single herbs or the single superfoods.

Now if you made a superfood smoothie with 3 or 4 superfoods in it and a superherb in there, that's fine, you know. That [00:17:31] would be reasonable. I have

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found that some people metabolically cannot handle very complex combinations of things and some people can. Therefore you are just going to have to do some trial and success methodology on yourself and see what works best for you.

Lucien: Okay. Super.

Dear Avocado, Do you have any experience with and/or opinions about the Southeast Asian plant cradam [spelling?]?

Avocado: Yes. I have eaten cradam on the big [00:17:57] island of Hawaii. I don't know if it was legally over there, but it does grow over there. And it's kind of like – it's like qat [also spelled khat]. You know, qat is – I think it is originally from Saudi Arabia or it's from Arabia and qat is like chewed up in the streets of all the Middle Eastern countries. And they chew it up and it's like, you kind of get like a high. It's actually an amphetamine, which means it's a phenethylamine, and so it does ramp up your adrenal chemicals and neurotransmitters, and the effect of that is you feel high and cradam is in that same kind of boat. I never really felt strong effects from cradam and it does kind of taste pretty awful, but [00:18:42] it's worth trying. You know, I don't think that these things are really bad for you unless they become abused. Most of the time you know when you see people who chew like qat until their teeth turn black, I mean they are in a completely abusive relationship with it. It's kind of like becoming an alcoholic. But if you have this thing, you know, once every month or six months or something like that it's never going to hurt anybody. And, [00:19:02] you know, it's kind of fun to try it and see what happens.

And I think there is another very important thing about these kinds of – you know, they are kind of sub-psychedelic plants – and that is they really teach you a

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lot about neurotransmitters and hormones and adrenalin and just all the different things that your body is comprised of in terms of the master switches. You know, in hormones and neurotransmitters are master switches. You throw [00:19:31] those switches, you throw the adrenalin switch and everything turns on.

So when you are dealing with these kinds of substances, if you are a real alchemist they can really educate you about how your body is really working. And one of the things that really kind of irks me is that there is just, in Western culture there is a general ban on this kind of stuff because "it's a drug and therefore you can't have it," meanwhile pharmaceuticals [00:19:54] can be sold to you and that's not a problem. And what gets me about that is that there is a deliberate attempt to block research into very critical insights into how adrenalin, how neurotransmitters, how hormones work. And it's from figuring out how those things work that I believe we can really develop nutraceuticals, longevity substances, chemicals that can really get us into a sustainable and abundant future instead of this kind of like cheap, [00:20:32] you know, marketed pharmaceutical, you know, destiny that you know seems to be at the end of the road for you know the – I guess the well-crafted design of where we are supposed to be going. I don't know how to better say it.

You know, we are kind of being sold a real cheap imitation of our destiny. And through the understanding of how these like qat or cradam or whatever ones are out there work we can finally get into really understanding how our biology [00:21:01] is constructed for real and then come to real solutions about how we should for example, you know, eat; how we should for example fast; how we should rejuvenate ourselves; how do hormones really affect our

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longevity; how do neurotransmitters affect our longevity, etc.

Yeah. And you don't these things for your health. You know, you wouldn't need cradam for your health, but if you are a real alchemist – which a lot of people on TheBestDayEver [00:21:26] are – you know, a lot of people are like, "Look. I don't just buy anything. I want to know." And therefore I really recommend trying this stuff, because you can get an education from a plant that you cannot get from a person. And that's why we are a trial and success type of website. It's like you've got to go out there and try the stuff and you get that education from your experience and then you are actually coming from a place of knowledge instead of guessing.

Lucien: Fantastic.

Hey David, A few interrelated questions. What in your opinion are the best morning elixirs/tinctures ever? Is MSM safe with all of them? My bottle of bluegreen algae says to take them in the [00:22:08] morning with nothing else. What do you think about that? And is Crystal Manna the best bluegreen algae out there? Thank you so much.

Avocado: Okay. That's a complex question with various, various dimensions. I mean I guess I can look at it from at least one perspective, and that is the morning elixir that I make is spring water, I'll put in there salt – like I'm in Hawaii right now, so I'm using Hawaii salt, sea salt – and then I'll put in if I [00:22:38] have it Crystal Energy, Patrick Flanagan's Crystal Energy, I'll put a little squirt of that in there. I'll put in there a little bit of the Gold Ormus, I'll put in there – I have this little vial that I have been playing around with which is water from the volcano on the Big Island. I'll put a little squirt of that in there, which is just a kind of a high

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vibrational water. And one more thing I've been doing [00:23:01] – oh, I've been putting zeolites in, so I've been putting the NCD liquid zeolites in, and so I'll make a big morning drink like that and then guzzle it down. And that's kind of the morning elixir that I do before anything, before food, before drinking any smoothies, anything. And I really think that that is a critical about my personal philosophy about health, and that is the best time to hydrate yourself is the very first thing in the morning when your stomach [00:23:27] is completely empty. And that way you can get all that water into your body and get that good flush to happen. It gets those salts, if you add a little salt to your water, it gets those salts into those intestines and starts to create a nice environment down in the intestinal wall so that you have the ability of – you know, it alleviates constipating. You have the ability to hold moisture there so that things move through cleanly without a lot of irritation.

And [00:23:50] then if you are adding MSM in, which I do a lot in the morning as well – sometimes I'll put MSM right into that drink, but if I'm doing ormus gold then I'll do one or the other; I don't do both at the same time, because there is a little bit of a conflict between those two. Sometimes I'll do the ormus gold and then I'll do the MSM at the night, in the night – [00:24:07] or I'll do it the other way around and I'll do the MSM with that morning drink and I'll do the ormus gold in the evening.

Going beyond that into for example Crystal Manna in the smoothie or any of these other things, there are some great bluegreen algaes out there. I cannot hardly say which one is the best. They are all pretty darn good. I mean, I really feel like – what's the name of the company now? Simplexity, that's the company that bought Cell Tech, which [00:24:32] is the original company that set themselves up on Klamath Lake and

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started bringing the algae to market, probably has the most quality control of anybody out there, but certainly E3Live is a wonderful company, and then there is the company – what is the name of it? – that does the Blue Manna and the Crystal Manna [AncientSunInc.com]. And they also do a good product as well. They have some great products. So you just kind of pick what you like, play around with all of them.

Lucien: Super. So it's very interesting you mentioned not mixing the MSM and the ormus gold. Could you just expand on that briefly why you would not mix those two together?

Avocado: Good. Okay. That's something that's kind of – it's underneath the field of ormus and MSM [00:25:17] and it's been kind of never really— It's written about in Amazing Grace actually. Actually, Amazing Grace, my new book, finally kind of put that into print, but it has never really been in print anywhere, although it is talked about a little bit on the Internet. And it appears that when you isolate ormus – when you isolate it as a mineral isolate – that it can react with sulfur and that something like MSM is such a powerful methylator – which means it has a high amount of energy in it – that we believe that sulfur could interact with ormus gold and start moving it back towards being a metal, or actually start bonding the ormus gold minerals, the ions, the atoms together so that it starts to move back towards what is called M state or eventually a metal form.

Therefore you lose the magic of having the ormus in the first place. That's the idea behind it. So there has been this thing that sulfur [00:26:18] can interact with ormus. That's definitely not just something that was figured out recently. There are suggestions of that in alchemical literature throughout history, that there is something about sulfur that can interfere with certain

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alchemical products. And therefore from all that I believe we can make a conclusive statement that you should probably keep any ormus isolate – any isolated ormus mineral – away from MSM.

Now if you are consuming [00:26:45] a food product like a superherb product – let's just say it's medicinal mushrooms, which are known to contain ormus, or aloe vera, which is known to contain ormus – and you have that with MSM, you will not have a similar reaction. You can have them both together is what I am saying. It's specifically addressing the interaction between MSM and an ormus mineral isolate. That's the one you shouldn’t do is combine those together.

March 2008 – Part 2

Lucien: Dear Avocado, Is there any hope for someone who is 60, has had fibromyalgia all of her life and whose jaw is starting to smolder with the chronic inflammation of one of the roots in her teeth? Of course her doctor said only surgery and antibiotics will help. She is very skeptical of "alternative medicine" and may not have all the time in the world to anticipate the long-term effects [00:00:37] of a raw diet. Is there anything she could get on that might show quick results as far as knocking out the inflammation and beginning to strengthen the bone – at least enough to inspire a transition into a healthier lifestyle?

Avocado: The key point in there is that when someone has been through that kind of lifestyle and that life for that long, they are extremely pessimistic, they are very doubtful, they have bought into the idea that their life is going to be [00:01:05] painful forever and that they got dealt a bad card out of the deck, you know, and they kind of bought all those ideas. Which are completely. I mean there is always hope for everybody no matter how severe the situation, no matter how long it has been

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going on. There is always a solution out there in the universe for everybody in every situation. You know, when there is no way there is a way; when there is a dead end it's not a dead end, it's just, there is [00:01:27] a way through there somewhere.

And to get the person really going I would recommend about 16 to 20 capsules of MSM powder a day with about 6 to 10 capsules of Blue Mangosteen a day. And that's pretty easy. Anybody can do that. If somebody can swallow a pill they could do that and break it up, do half in the morning, half in the evening, and see what happens. I mean, that can immediately de-inflame any tissue problems and probably [00:01:56] can start her on the road to recovery and give her enough of a momentum that maybe she will start seeing hope at the end of the tunnel. So that's what I would recommend as a starter.

Lucien: Okay. Fantastic.

Dear Avocado, Will there be a 2008 LNP program update? Also, can olive oil [sic] leaf extract substitute for the garlic extract? And finally, should there be some kind of clay included in the LNP program to absorb the toxins created from dying parasites [00:02:24] and/or nanobacteria?

Avocado: All right. Well yes, there is going to be a LNP update, and it's looking real good. The entire program has been recorded in audio format. It will also be available in text format, and it's pretty darn exciting. All the products that packaged very likely together in one box, so it's real simple to get started – and on top of all that we have I believe added a few key things in, which I'm going to save as a surprise. So that's kind of cool.

Olive [00:02:59] leaf extract versus garlic extract. The

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problem with olive leaf extract is just the universality of it. It doesn't really keep people in balance when you are putting it across a wide population. Like some people might be able to take it every day and it's like great and it works great – and olive leaf extract is amazingly powerful. It's awesome. The place where I get into trouble with it is that it doesn't work for enough people over a long period of time. It's [00:03:29] so yang in its energy that after a while people will just stop taking it because it starts really pulling them out of balance. And aged garlic extracts are a little bit more balanced. They are more in a tonic form so they can be taken every day without kind of dragging the metabolism one direction or another. And that's why I prefer the aged garlic extract to the olive leaf extract. And plus I think aged garlic extract is a little bit more accessible for people [00:03:57] – not only as a physical product but also just from a psychological perspective, because garlic is more familiar to us and we are all, you know, we all grew up with garlic, we know what it is.

Should there be a clay involved? Well, we use zeolites as the primary puller or drawer of toxins. Now macrotoxins are very good to pull with clay, and if you would like to use some bentonite clay for a month for example or 3 months while you are doing the Triple Herbal Treasures – the wormwood, cloves and black walnut hull – which are part of the LNP program, that's great.

By [00:04:31] the way, if somebody is listening right now and they are like, "What in the heck is the LNP program?" the LNP program is the LongevityNOW Program, and that program is a system that drives calcification out of the body, which to me essentially is the number one cause of disease. It's the main – it's the main undertaker in the world. That's the thing that is going to get us in the end is calcification. So if we

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can address that first, and cleanse [00:05:03] that out of our system, everything else becomes very well diminished and is pretty much irrelevant and then we can live longer and happier without dealing with aches and pains and joint issues and worrying about our heart going out on us and cancer and all that kind of stuff.

Lucien: I have to say, I was shocked. I'm working on the LNP that you guys did in LA, and I was thinking, "Oh," you know, "I want to get on the LNP and it's going to be this new [00:05:26] thing that I'm doing," and then as I was going through it I realized that just from picking up the little tidbits from the interviews and all the stuff on TheBestDayEver I was about 50% on the LNP already, without intentionally wanting to be on the LNP. Just, you know, your recommendations, you take this, this, this and this, I thought, "I'm doing that, I'm doing that, I'm doing that." So I am sure there are some people on TheBestDayEver [who] are doing part [00:05:51] of the LNP and they don't know it.

Avocado: That's right. That's the thing, is every bit of this program has been discussed and actively described throughout many different lectures and recordings throughout TheBestDayEver.com, and if you have taken even a little bit of it on you are probably doing some partial form of the LNP. And then when you get the whole piece, which is that whole final LongevityNOW Program – you know, the audio program and the whole deal – what [00:06:19] that will do is it will kind of give you a big overview of how this all works together towards a final goal and what that goal is.

Lucien: Yeah. That's exactly what it did for me, and I have to say that when this is unveiled at the next conference, it is going to be a monumentous occasion to say the least.

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Avocado: Right on. That's cool. So you've been working on it, and I think most of the people listening right now are not aware that you [00:06:42] have been involved in editing the audio portion of that program. Is that right?

Lucien: Yeah. I mean, it's just completely – I mean it is just such an amazing program. I think it is going to change the face of health as we know it.

Avocado: That's how I feel about it. I mean, I believe that this is such a momentous discovery. I mean, recently your sister actually – Rebecca – sent me an incredible article by the Mayo Clinic is [00:07:09] which is about to be posted TheBestDayEver, that they have confirmed now that nanobacteria exists; that it is no longer— You know, there has been a lot of research on this, and it's been known it's not a fringe thing for a while amongst researchers who are really, you know, into the truth.

But you know how mainstream science is. It moves very slowly like a big turtle. Well, now the Mayo Clinic has come on board and says, "Hey, there [00:07:34] is something to this." Now that to me is a huge breakthrough in funding and the research that we are going to see into nanobacteria, and I can tell you right now that is going to do nothing but benefit all of us.

Lucien: And what do you think the reaction is going to be? Do you think they are going to come up with an anti-nanobacteria pharmaceutical pill?

Avocado: That's probably where it's going to go. They are going to try to come up with some kind of pharmaceutical [00:07:56] this, that and the other thing. However, what we can do is we can take a look at their research, pick it apart and find out what is useful in it, just like we always do with all the medical research. And the

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more medical research that goes in to nanobacteria I think the better off we all are because we are going to find out more secrets about how to get this stuff out or more secrets about how this stuff works.

And in particular for me is reading all the – I've read about 80 articles on nanobacteria, and the cross-referencing of those articles across my knowledge in the field of nutrition [00:08:35] in herbs and superfoods and all that, when we starting seeing you know hundreds more articles coming out, hundreds more research studies, when all that gets cross-referenced there is going to be some insights there that we don't have now. There is going to be, and we are going to be all benefiting from it. So that to me is an exciting development.

Lucien: Yeah. And so that's fantastic. So going mainstream is actually going to produce a whole new kind of wealth of [00:08:56] information that we could all use.

Avocado: Exactly. You know, in the same way that when viruses were discovered, you know, it was also discovered that vitamin C kills viruses. And look at how much we all benefited from that. So that is kind of what is going to happen here. Of course they came up with all kinds of pharmaceuticals you know and you know different kinds of drugs and over-the-counter medications you can use to kill viruses and flu viruses and all that, [00:09:23] but look at all the great natural things that came down the pipe as a result of that discovery as well.

Lucien: That's a fantastic outlook. Okay.

Dear Avocado, I have been eating the Gabriel Cousens Rainbow Green Live Food Cuisine diet for about 3 months now just to keep a small candida problem in check. What can I do now to just wipe out whatever I

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have left and start anew? That is to say, what are the most powerful and quickest technologies I can use [00:09:47] to completely clean house?

Also, how would you answer this question for someone who has a large candida problem and still eating tons of sweet fruits, oats and grains, etc.?

Finally, how would I best cultivate my own inner garden once it is clean of all these opportunistic pests?

Avocado: The main enemy of candida – and I probably couldn't say this enough – is acidophilus. Most likely when somebody has a candida problem what is really going on is not just [00:10:14] a candida problem; it's usually a bunch of different organisms, candida being the most prominent and well-known but certainly not the only one that's out there. I really recommend a probiotic approach where you take that very complex ecosystem in your body and you begin to douse it with friendly bacteria and friendly flora which naturally can reverse the damage – or what we call the dysbiosis – created by organisms that are really unfriendly [00:10:44] to us like candida and other kinds of fungi and molds and that kind of stuff.

Secondary to that I would really strongly recommend bringing in the medicinal mushrooms. And people are just – they constantly freak out about this because Gabriel in his books says, you know, don't eat mushrooms because you know they are bad for candida, and Dr. Young says in his book don't eat mushrooms because they're bad for candida. And really what they are talking about is the [00:11:08] portabella mushrooms. And it's not the portabella mushrooms themselves; it's that they can be contaminated with mold. We can't see it with our eye, and that's a problem. The way that those mushrooms are transported, where they are grown, there can be

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tons of different spores of different molds on that particular portabella mushroom and we just can't see it.

Now when you are dealing with mushroom extracts, like reishi mushroom extract or freeze-dried [00:11:32] mycelium of reishi or maitake or shiitake or any of thing things, that stuff is absolute a chemical neutron bomb to candida and probably the best thing against candida is actually a more advanced noble type of fungus, which is the medicinal mushrooms – which has a specific ability to knock out the lower forms of fungus, which are the candida organisms.

Lucien: Dear Avocado, I recently started drinking MSM and DMSO in my water in the evening. I [00:12:06] was wondering what I could mix in this drink and how much and how often I should have it. Someone on TheBestDayEver live chat told me not to mix it with ormus gold because MSM and ormus use the same receptor sites or something, so one would be blocked. Could I use the ormus with just the DMSO maybe? I would love to hear any DMSO recipes that you might have.

Avocado: Okay. Well, we have addressed already this idea that we really shouldn't be mixing MSM or DMSO [00:12:29] with isolated ormus compounds. And like ormus gold for example. So I would avoid doing that if you can, because that's really not – that's not essentially kosher at this point. We know that something that goes on there is awry. Whether it's the sulfur will block the receptor site where the ormus gold goes, or that the sulfur has so much energy in it that it starts pushing the ormus gold back towards being a metal or both or some other thing is going on. There is definitely a reaction, and so we want to avoid that.

Most likely what would be the appropriate move here

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would be to add something in that's super cleansing but fairly [00:13:10] gentle to the body, because you've got to be careful with DMSO. It's such a driver. It just drives everything in to the nth degree, and you've got to be a little bit careful because you know it is a chemical solvent. It can hurt you, you know, if you use it wrong. It can burn you. And therefore it has to be used very intelligently and wisely.

What I would recommend probably would be something like using NCD liquid zeolites. Then that DMSO can [00:13:38] just drive those zeolites deep into the body in various places and you can probably get a little more efficacy out of the zeolites in that way. And zeolites are also completely inert in their relationship with sulfur – which I cannot say about many different minerals. I mean, most minerals – let's say silver for example – react with sulfur. We have to be a little bit cognizant that sulfur is reactive, it's chemically reactive and when you are dealing with [00:14:09] DMSO you have got a high-powered substance there that can react with different types of mineral compounds and I would be a little bit, I would be using a little bit of a conservative approach.

Lucien: Would you say that DMSO should or should not be mixed with angstrom minerals like silver or boron or the platinum minerals?

Avocado: I would say it should not be mixed with silver, because we know that there is a cross-reaction between silver and DMSO. You might [00:14:39] be able to get away with DMSO and zinc. That would work, and I have used that successfully to knock a sunburn out instantly. Angstrom zinc, if you put – if somebody has a really bad sunburn you put angstrom zinc on them and then you spray them with DMSO. It will instantly knock out a sunburn. I mean it's a real good trick to have in your arsenal.

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Lucien: But mixing MSM, this reactive, the reactive sulfur, with the metal minerals is probably someplace you don't [00:15:11] want to go.

Avocado: Unless you really know what you are doing. And, you know, I don't really know what I'm doing. I mean, I know that zinc works with DMSO, I know that zeolites work with DMSO, but I know that silver does not work and probably should not be used together. You have to just be a little bit careful.

Lucien: Dear Avocado, What advice do you have for someone who would like to cut back on their cacao consumption but feels really compelled [00:15:37] to make a cacao drink every morning for breakfast? What can I eat for breakfast instead of cacao drink that will keep me happy and high but also grounded and stable for the rest of the day? Are there any herbs that can help with this process?

Avocado: Well, the medicinal mushrooms are pretty darn good at doing that, and they do have that – kind of that richness that almost is like a coffee bitterness to them. You know, cacao has that as well, so medicinal [00:16:05] mushrooms would definitely be in there. If you need the stimulation, cayenne pepper might be a consideration to put that into the drink. I'm just thinking of [unintelligible phrase] what could be an alternative centerpiece. Well, you might want to use a yerba mate or something of that nature. It depends on – you know, are you trying to get completely off stimulants or not. If the answer is not, then yerba mate might be the centerpiece, use a little bit of cayenne, get [00:16:30] some medicinal mushrooms in there and build a whole drink up around that. That could be good. There really is not replacement for cacao in the world. You know, it stands – it stands alone. It's one of those things.

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Lucien: And as a follow-up question, what are your thoughts on fermented cacao?

Avocado: There is a whole body of research being done by alchemists out there and superfoodists on fermenting cacao drinks and cacao products. And I think it's a good thing actually. [00:16:57] I think what we are finding out is that cacao can go a number of different directions and fermenting it in the way that you would make a yogurt or cultured coconut drink or something like that is one of the ways that cacao will go. Pretty darn miraculous actually. It's pretty cool. And I think that there can be some great innovations in products in that direction going into the future, and I do believe we are going to see that coming into the future, which is fermented [00:17:26] kind of like yogurts made of coconut or something, but also cacao so it's chocolaty. And it probably will make the nutrients in cacao more accessible as well.

Lucien: And there is another question here that is related to the cacao issue, and that is,

Dear David, I can't seem to give up eating cacao every morning. My morning smoothie is not the same without it. It's getting to the point where it's starting to negatively affect the rest of my day. I am getting [00:17:54] really anxious and shaky. I feel like all my core energy is being zapped from me. It's not the best feeling ever. If you can offer any advice for my situation and how I can deal with this, I would really appreciate it. Thank you so much.

Avocado: Cacao is an alchemical food. It's not really designed [unintelligible phrase] or in very high dosages every time you use it. It's more of something where you take a bunch of different elements – let's just say it was the medicinal mushrooms, [00:18:24] let's say it was

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hempseeds, let's say it was bee pollen and honey, and it allows those things to be brought together into a synergized type of a formula. That's a good way to go with cacao instead of just saying, I don't know, maybe 80% or 50% of the smoothie is cacao and the other thing is, the other stuff is 50%.

Knock the cacao back to 10 to 15% just as like kind of a catalyst to all that other stuff to make it all work together. I [00:18:54] mean that is really how cacao is supposed to be used. And that's kind of the approach that we take in the book Naked Chocolate, is cacao is a catalyst; it's a deliverer of medicines. And therefore if you are using cacao in a way that's over-stimulating to yourself it's because you have lost that part of the puzzle, which is, hey, cacao is a delivery vehicle. It itself is something that you know must be respected and not abused.

Lucien: Dear Avocado, I have spoken with many raw foodists who hold the opinion that all agave on the market – even the ones that they say are raw – are actually cooked products. What is your opinion on some of the major brands out there? What is the processing like for Sunfood's agave?

Avocado: Oh, that's great. I mean, yeah, a lot of it is not really truly raw, but then you are dealing with agave. I mean, I don't know about you but I grew up with agaves. I had them all over [00:19:52] you know the Southern California areas that I played in and grew up in and so I know that those things have a heat tolerance that is dramatic. I mean, it's like at least 170°F [76.6°C]. Because it's a desert plant and it grows all the way through the deserts of the New World, it has, and now even in the Old World. It has a tremendous heat tolerance, and therefore the enzymes and [00:20:18] content of agave is not as heat-volatile for example as lettuce is by a comparison. You know, if you cook

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lettuce to 120°F [48.8°C] it would be just totally like mushy and pretty gross. But agave is not like that.

And so it is true that the agaves that are out there heat-processed to 130°F, 120°F [55°C, 49°C], some are at 140°F [60°C], but I don't feel like that's actually a real bad thing. You know, so there is a truth is what is being said out there and the other side of the equation is, is that: is that really affecting the agave in a negative way? And the answer is probably not.

Now there is a whole innovation of agave coming in which has lower and lower and lower heat processing happening, and I'm right [00:21:04] in the midst of all that, and I should have – in my office actually when I get back there I should have the latest batch of that stuff. And I have seen it, I have tasted it, and it's pretty darn awesome. And that stuff has like almost no heat processing whatsoever, and that's kind of where the agave industry is going to go in the future, I believe. And we are going to also [00:21:28] see some innovations in how agave can be used with chocolates, and that's going to change as well, so be on the lookout for some important developments in the agave industry.

Lucien: Awesome.

Dear Avocado, Thanks so much for speaking from your heart out in Portland. It was the best ever. I was too tired Sunday night to come and ask you this question. I want to go into the medical field but I am not sure if I should sacrifice [00:21:54] four years of my life in medical school learning outdated theories about the human body and nutrition. The benefits are that I would have power within the system as a D.O. or M.D. and I could start to make some changes from the inside. I am not sure if it is the best way ever, but I'm also not sure what I would do otherwise. Any advice

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you would have would be greatly appreciated. Thank you so much.

Avocado: Well, I hope that the person asking this question [00:22:16] is just a complete genius, because then it would be easy for you. And if it's easy for you, then do it. I think that's what Dr. Flanagan did. You know, he's actually an M.D., but he is such a genius he can just go through that, it's like a joke, you know, memorize everything and just go through that kind of education. It's just easy.

If you're not like that, you have got to really careful, because if you can't completely master [00:22:41] that information just for fun on the side as a hobby – you know, the memorization and the rote knowledge that you have to go through and all the kind of nonsense that they put you through – then you are really going to have to rethink your approach to being in the health field. And probably it might be better to go a different direction – to become a nutritionist, to become say a licensed acupuncturist, massage therapist, herbalist, something of that nature. [00:23:08] So it really just depends on this person's abilities.

I was with a very great family near Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania last year. We did a tour. Maybe it was two years ago. A year and a half ago, 18 months ago. And one of the women who was living there, she decided, "Hey, I'm going to medical school. I'm going to do it." And think now she is in her second year of medical school. She just bit down and said, "I'm gonna do it. [00:23:31] I'm gonna just tough it out," and she is enjoying it. She is enjoying it. So that was real positive feedback on this. Because I get this all time. You know, people are like, "I don't think I can put myself through that." But in her case she was enjoying it, so you never know.

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You know, I put myself through torturous levels of education – stuff that I would never do again now. But when I was in the middle of that I could tell you honestly that I [00:23:56] did find ways of enjoying it, and I'm sure there's a way to get through it without much pain.

Lucien: Dear Avocado, Is eating the local wild food where you are the best ever, and how would that relate to eating exotic superfoods from around the world? What would be the absolute best ever – eating wild forest food wherever you live or eating some wild foods and some superfoods?

Avocado: Well, I kind of do both. I mean, I eat wild foods and superfoods. Is [00:24:27] eating the wild foods around you the best ever? And the answer is yes, it is. Is it possible that we don't have enough knowledge, because most of us are starting at a late date in our life into herbalism, nutrition, raw foodism, superfoodism, that we might not be able to procure from our local environment everything necessary to be healthy? And the answer is – and decidedly the answer is yes. It's likely that we would not be able to figure it [00:24:52] all out on the fly. And therefore superfoods and kind of a balanced approach with seaweeds and that kind of a thing, even if they are not from our direct and immediate environment, would be at least an interim solution for this generation until we really figure out how to do it in the next generation from birth onwards, where we really know the local environment again like our ancestors did, we really are able to put it together so that all the nutritional [00:25:16] needs are met for all states, including pregnancy, pre-pregnancy, birth, childhood, adulthood, teenage years and elderly years.

You know, so that's almost a shamanic question. It's a very, very big issue and I don't – I don't really believe I

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can just, you know, haphazardly kind of turn that over to everybody and just say, "Oh yeah, you can figure it all out. It's easy." Because it's not. It is not easy. There are a lot of nuances, [00:25:45] and all indigenous cultures figured this out over a number of generations and really through specialized work by shamans to figure out all the different pieces of the puzzle over every cycle of life.

Lucien: This is an issue that comes up quite a bit, especially in an area like the Midwest where I am, where there is local agriculture. And there is a huge emphasis on buying locally, supporting your local farmers, and superfoods are often seen as being very exotic [00:26:19] and not sustainable. What are maybe some approaches or some views to try to help incorporate maybe some balanced approach to superfoods? Maybe like the maca and the things that come from other parts of the world, would you say it is limiting ourselves if we just go locally, or it's more a matter of just becoming more aware of what's available locally?

Avocado: I would say in most cases you are limiting yourself if you just go locally unless you are very [00:26:47] adept, with a shamanic level of understanding of nutrition. Because it's like – my experience has been is that not everybody is highly adept at understanding all the nuances of nutrition. I mean, it took me years and years and years of being right in the middle of it to get where I'm at now of the understanding. It's almost a shamanic level of understanding of you know what foods and nutrients are needed at what stage of the life cycle, etc., etc.

I think [00:27:15] growing local and going local is a great ethic and its' the right way to go. I think you can get superfoods like goji berries, you can grow them in your backyard. I mean, that's the whole point of getting raw goji berries is the seeds are viable and you

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can use them in your backyard. And the same could be said with others plants – you know, aloe vera for example, or if you live in the tropics noni. You know, a great backyard superfood.

I just – I'm [00:27:37] just throwing a little bit of warning out there, because I have seen people try to do, you know, "Oh, I'm living all out in my backyard," or all off the land or all of this or that, and it can create problems, because there is not a complete picture there. They haven't had the complete experience to really know all the subtle nuances that are required over, you know, a number of years of eating healthfully and in a balanced way to [00:28:03] get all of the minerals necessary.

Let's say for example you live in the Midwest. Seaweeds can be an enormously valuable part of your diet, but you know, hey, there's no ocean there, so how would you do that without an ocean? See, those kinds of issues are like more than most people can deal with in kind of a daily lifestyle when we're living – we're not living in a natural environment. We're living in an unnatural environment, and therefore we [00:28:26] have to deal with that as well.

March 2008 – Part 3

Lucien: Dear Avocado, I work with a wonderful bunch of women that know very little about health food and nutrition. They have quote "put up with my ramblings for years" about live food, but have recently begun taking an active part in some of the things that I do. Some will eat more raw when sick. We now have a 3 o'clock herbal tea time in the kitchen with nettles, dandelion and peppermint. Many herbal remedies are now used instead of prescription over-the-counter drugs like valerian for Xanax, papaya for Tums, etc., etc. I even got one to drink kombucha when she came

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back from being on the road. My question is, if you were in my position what would be the next step you would share with them? Should I haul [00:00:56] in the Vita-Mix and have a Cacao Smoothie Fiesta?

Avocado: Either that or start making up little cacao treats. Probably the next appropriate step is during tea time then you break out your little cacao brownies or your little raw cacao chocolate treats. That would very likely flip the switches completely on and just cause everybody to just lose it in that office, and just become completely bonkers for the information. So that's what I would [00:01:28] do.

The Vita-Mix thing and doing the cacao drink would probably come right after that, and then you know at that point they would probably be just complete converts and they would probably be bringing their own juicers [00:01:38] in.

Lucien: It is an interesting path how people sort of come to it, and sometimes I think I have to do all the work, but actually usually the superfood does all the work for me, in terms of conversion.

Avocado: Lou, you hit it right on the head. That's something I gave up years ago. You can't convert anybody really. All you can do is let the food convert people – the flavor, the taste, the sensation, the feelings – and then that causes someone when they are at [00:02:11] home to become self-motivated. And that's the real magic. And when somebody gets that, they are their own best doctor all of a sudden. They are their own best nutritionist and you know they can just do it all at home, and that's our goal anyway.

Lucien: Dear Avocado,

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sebum production?

Avocado: That's a difficult question, because excessive sebum production may or may not be related to the oil intake [00:02:32] that a person is ingesting. You know, fats and oils can produce excessive sebum. Sebum like a secretion that can lead to – it's like oiliness in your skin, that's sebum, the oil of your skin.

Lucien: Okay.

Avocado: And excessive amounts of oil in your skin can lead to acne or you know kind of a look to your skin where you've got just an oiliness going on. And what is good to dry that out? Well, you have to cut back [00:02:56] on the fats and oils and see how that changes or triggers a change in the sebum, if at all.

Some people have a very thick, dense epithelial level on their face and their sebum cannot come through properly and therefore can create a chronic acne problem. That is another thing that I have seen and that may be what this person is dealing with – or not. Definitely if we use like creams or things on our face that are more drying, they have more of a drying effect [00:03:28] – I guess that's called a, what is that? A surfactant maybe? I can't remember exactly what the [term is]. The people in the skin care industry will know this better than I. To draw out that excessive oil; that's kind of the angle that we would use, and the exact methodology of that, it varies.

I really recommend generally starting out with just cutting down the fats and oils in one's diet and seeing if there are changes; making that the face [00:03:56] is appropriate scrubbed so that that oil does not dry on the skin with the dirt; being very aware of touching your face with your fingertips or the palm of your hand – because that's where a lot of oils are and that's also

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where a lot of gunk and dirt and bacteria and everything— One of the biggest problems I think with kids is that when they start getting acne they start touching their face with their fingers and their [00:04:26] fingers are dirty and then they get dirt in their skin and then that can create a bacteria problem, and the bacteria problem can become chronic, and then we have an acne problem.

So these are all factors. The major thing is just drying out that skin, pulling out that moisture. Herbalism is going to recommend something that has that drying property, that draws moisture to the surface. And you know what's very good at that actually is cacao powder. Cacao powder has [00:04:54] a high drawing ability to draw oils to itself, and that might be something you can use in a skin-care protocol that you create for yourself. And cucumbers are really good at doing that too, just dicing up cucumbers and putting that on your face, because that has the ability to draw the oils out.

Lucien: Dear Avocado, What do you think of the coconut water being sold in cartons like Vita Coco and Zico coconut water? Are they any good? What is the story?

Avocado: I think that's such a funny coincidence. I had a bunch of those in my room today. I had a private consultation with a woman who came all the way from Denmark to visit with me, and [00:05:33] she brought in those and she's like, "What's the story with these?" One of the good stories with them is that they are completely now – they are moving more towards a cardboard packaging, so that's a recyclable packaging and that's a positive trend, and we're moving away from say the Vita Coco and all that stuff, that's no longer in the aluminum can format; it's moving more into the cardboard format. That's a positive.

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Are [00:05:56] they pasteurized? And the answer is yes, they are pasteurized. There is a technology that is out there that may be incorporated into one or more of those products, and I'm just not sure where it is because I don't keep up on that unless it crosses my desk, but there is a technology where you can filter coconut water through a ceramic screen and it will filter out any latent spores or bacteria, and therefore you can cold-filter the coconut water and actually [00:06:27] deliver a sealed bacteria-and-spore-free product that has been unpasteurized. And one or more of those companies may be using that now. I mean, the state of that technology was there a number of years ago and I'm not sure what happened with it, but it looks like that has moved forward.

So I would really— When it comes to those individual products, I don't use them myself but I would recommend that you call the company up and ask them what they are [00:06:53] using. Most of them are pasteurizing but some may be using that technology, and therefore you know that's a great thing and we're on to the right deal.

Lucien: Would you say that there is no substitute for getting the live, fresh coconuts and cracking them open and using that water?

Avocado: Fortunately over the past about 10 days I have been cracking live coconuts here in Hawaii and eating them right straight out of the nut, and there ain't no substitute for [00:07:18] that in the world. There is probably nothing better for you in the world. There is certainly nothing better for a breastfeeding mother than that in the world. There is probably nothing better for an infant as a food in the world than fresh coconut water. There is no question that in the superfood world a wild coconut is very likely one of the great superfoods there is.

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Lucien: And what do you think about those Thai coconuts that you find in your health food stores? [00:07:45] They are not organic, or at least they don't say they are organic, and I find it extremely difficult to find – well, impossible to find – organic coconuts. Would you say that the Thai coconuts that they sort of import en masse, are those good? Are those okay?

Avocado: Well, here's the good news. The good news is they are not using formaldehyde. We know that's a fact. The bad news is we don't know what they are using. They are using some kind of chemicals on those [00:08:12] things, and over the years I'm guilty of popularizing that product, the young Thai coconuts, and therefore you know I have had – you know I guess I have had to deal with the karma of it. And the karma of it is, at this point I wouldn't recommend consuming those in mass quantities all the time, because we just don't know how they are treating them.

Here is some good news on that front, and that is organic young Thai coconuts are coming in now. They are coming [00:08:38] in to California and they will eventually come across the country, and it's just a matter of time. So that's a positive development, and we're going to kind of move past this issue with the young Thai coconuts you know pretty, pretty quickly. I believe in the next couple of years it will become a moot issue because the organic will be available everywhere.

Lucien: Okay. Awesome.

Dear Avocado, What do you think of the two more popular raw food products out there, Larabars [00:09:03] and GT's Kombucha Tea? In between Artisana and Rejuvenative Foods which has the better has the better nut and seed butters or are they both

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totally thumbs up? Thanks, dude. You're awesome.

Avocado: Okay. Well, let's jump back to the beginning of the question. Actually where do you get your protein has now been completely eclipsed as a common question. Now the most common question by far, that I get more than any other question, is, "What [00:09:30] do you think of kombucha?" And I think – GT's Kombucha, I think it's a great product, and I think it's an immature product in the sense that the organism hasn't completely eaten up the caffeine and the sugar and therefore there is a little bit of caffeine and sugar in that product and so it's got a little bit of a zing on it. And so you know there is a little bit of a problem with that, and that's why I don't really recommend kombucha unless [00:09:59] the product is ripe – and that means all the caffeine and all the sugar has been completely consumed by the organism. And the way that you know that that is happening is just the sweetness of the product has kind of just disappeared; actually the sugariness specifically has disappeared, it's starting to move into a vinegary flavor but the sweetness is still there. It's kind of a sweet spot. If you grow kombucha you know what I'm talking about. If you don't you'll [00:10:21] know when you have it because you'll sense that like, "Okay. This is where it is supposed to be."

And I believe that there are some kombucha companies that are doing it right. I recently had one that was done in glass. I'm trying to think of the name of that one. It's like Himalayan or something like that. I can't remember exactly which one it is, and it's a glass, it comes in little glass bottles. If you were a Lucky Beer drinker, it comes in the [00:10:46] same I think 13-oz. glasses as the Lucky Beer used to come in.

And let's jump on to – what was the other product there? Lara Bar. Not a lot of people are aware of this,

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but I know Lara is aware of this, but Lara started her entire product because she was dragged to one of my seminars by a friend of hers and she went home – this is back in 2000 or 2001 – and one of her friends dragged her to a seminar that I was giving Orange County and she went home and started playing around with creating a little raw food bar, and it did really well, and eventually it did so well that they moved into a whole manufacturing operation in Denver, Colorado and now she has got like a $50 million or $60 million business distributing those things. And the good thing about that is that I have a great relationship with Lara. She is an awesome woman, and if you ever want to get good kudos with Larabar, just say, "Hey," you know, "I'm a member of TheBestDayEver and I know David Wolfe and you've got to hook me up" and they will hook you up. So, it's cool. I really am happy for her. She is a really cool woman. And her friend, who kind of dragged her to that event all those years ago, is still around and he is a really amazing guy. He's in the raw food scene in Orange County, and you will catch him sometimes at Au Lac, which is a great raw food restaurant there in Orange County on Brookhurst, or you know one of the local scenes there, and he can tell you the whole story about how it all happened firsthand. So [00:12:21] you know, I'm really very partial to Larabar because we are very close and I really like her a lot.

[Note: According to Mike Adams, April 2010, "The most popular fruit-and-nut bar on the market is Larabar. This bar, by the way, isn't organic. It's made almost entirely from conventionally-grown fruits and nuts. It's not even owned by Lara anymore: She sold out to General Mills last year. So now Larabar is just another big-name brand with a mainstream product. Sure, it's better for you than a Snicker's bar, but it's nowhere near the best that the industry has to offer."]

The other products, Artisana. I think Artisana is a great product line. Obviously they are producing a phenomenal-tasting product – you

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know, one of the best ever. I really like what Rejuvenative Foods does with their nut butters in that they refrigerate their nut butters, which is a consideration. [00:12:42] You are going to have more freshness, less rancidity when you refrigerate a nut butter from the time its produced until the time it's delivered. Now it's not that big a deal, but it affects the product. And it costs more to do it that way, and Rejuvenative Foods – I've known Evan for 10 years. He's sent people to our seminars for years and years and years. He understands the power of enzymes. He is a quality guy completely. I mean all his products, Rejuvenative [00:13:09] Foods products, are massively quality controlled and the best in the world in their genre. No question. Especially the kim-chees and the sauerkrauts, they're the best ever. And it is more to ship things refrigerated, but he does it because he knows the quality is higher.

Lucien: Awesome.

Dear Avocado, I tried to live without supermarket foods, but since there are others I would like to turn on to organics, what organic food companies sell the best quality stuff [00:13:37] in the supermarkets – as in like Earthbound Farms, Nature's Promise Organics, etc.? What's the scoop?

Avocado: Oooo. That's probably a rough— That's a rougher question for me to answer than probably anybody. I mean, you are best off if you go to a regular produce department to get the fruit that is there that is certified organic. You know, it will be a 5-digit number that begins with a 9. The Earthbound Farms and those kinds of products, I don't know how [00:14:10] long they are going to be able to keep going with their organic products the way that the government is cracking down on this stuff, and so we are likely to see some changes for the worse in that they are probably going to start irradiating that stuff or some weird – they are going to do some weird thing with that.

So I would be aware of that and just watch for that. Earthbound Farms is the one I am most familiar with

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and probably all of us are most familiar [00:14:28] with because it's the most abundant on the shelves there in normal grocery stores. Personally where I'm at, it's very difficult for me to consume like vegetable products that I buy in a store. I mean, I'm at a point where it's – it's like if somebody you know bought that stuff and made a salad out of it and it was there I would probably eat it, but if I had to do it, I am so in tune with wild foods that it's almost like – it's almost like I can't [00:14:58] do it anymore. It's almost like I can't eat that food anymore. So that's just kind of where I'm at.

I have a real trouble even with a normal organic food store to eat the vegetables anymore, unless it's like kale or parsley, just because I'm just very oriented to eating wild vegetables, wild foods.

Lucien: So you don't go to supermarkets ever?

Avocado: It's been a long time. I mean, the last time I was in a grocery store I was so assaulted by the UV [00:15:22] lights that is was almost impossible to keep going into the store. But I really actually – right off the top of my head, Lou, I cannot remember the last time I was in a regular supermarket.

Lucien: Wow. That's amazing. Well, it just goes to show that it can be done.

Avocado: Yeah. You know, when you really tune in to the wild food situation – and it just takes years, or maybe it's immediate, it depends on the person. There is so much edible wild food everywhere in the [00:15:50] vegetable department – you know, like leaves and stems, wild celery and that kind of stuff – that you know it's just everywhere. So it's like, "Why would I go drive down to a store and buy stuff that's in a package you know when it's like, it's growing in my front lawn?"

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That's kind of, you know, that's kind of where I'm at. And literally, you know, that's – I want to be eating what is in my front lawn because I believe that what is growing in our front lawn is probably what we are supposed to be eating. You know, that is why it is growing in our front lawn.

Lucien: Right. And do you ever get the feeling sometimes when you walk into—? Well, not that you [00:16:23] are walking into the health food stores, but sometimes I get the feeling walking into health food stores that I'm paying so much money for something that could very easily be right in my backyard.

Avocado: That's especially true of vegetables. You know, if you are in New York City you have got to kind of bite the bullet, because there is nothing much you can do there with your vegetables. But if you are in New York City then you really have to be oriented towards superfoods [00:16:47] and seaweeds and things that really have strong nutrition in them, because you are not going to get it all from your vegetables. The vegetables that you buy in a store are mostly just filler. It's good alkalinity. Is it really like full-on nutrition? And the answer is no, it's not. It's not enough.

Certainly obviously iceberg lettuce conventionally grown isn't even hardly anything at all, so it's better to go to organic, but even organic is really not enough to turn the screws on real [00:17:13] nutrition.

Lucien: Dear Avocado, I have had an ormus sink trap but for some reason have not been able to understand which way the magnets should face. Does it matter? Will it still be effective if I don't know which way they should be glued in? I would love to know.

Avocado: Yeah, it will still be effective. What I would do is glue them in alternatively. So you would glue them in, in

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rows that are diagonal around the cylinder trap and each diagonal row would be say north-facing and then the next row would be south-facing, then north-facing, then south-facing, and that's a pretty good way to do it.

Lucien: Dear Avocado, I have managed to find here in Spain a health shop selling goji juice with the red grape lycopene, resveratrol, ascorbic acid and potassium sorbate. It's a product from Optima Health and Nutrition in the UK. I am having a lot of problem hunting [00:18:04] down superfoods here in Barcelona, so I want to start somewhere. But they also sell acai and aloe vera juice. Is it good to start on superfoods with this juice. Thank you so much.

Avocado: Well, if you have access to it. Here's where we were say 10 years ago is we just were starting to see some like aloe vera products moving into health [00:18:25] food stores in the form of juices, we had noni starting to come in. Now look what has happened. So if we support this industry in its infancy in whatever country that we are in, well, then it's going to open the door for the next level to come in and then the third level and then the fourth level, and the next thing you know you are going to be having acai powder on the shelf, you're going to be having fresh aloe vera leaves in the produce section, you are going to be having goji berries showing up [00:18:51] in the market. So it's got to start somewhere.

And I really like if you don't have any other choice and you feel like hey, you know, you're vibing with it, then hey, it's a good thing, and support that, and then the demand that is created by that will then stimulate further demand and then will begin to deliver into that market all the great superfoods eventually.

Lucien: Okay. Great advice.

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Dear David, I am going to be working in the hospital [00:19:19] once a week and I would like to know if there are any risks of spending time in a hospital and if there is anything I should do to protect myself. Thank you so much.

Avocado: There are great risks of being in a hospital. A hospital is not only the most dangerous place in the world because most people die in hospitals, but it's really dangerous because there are organisms that have escaped into the ventilation systems of hospitals that are uncontrollable – pneumonia organisms, [00:19:45] strep organisms, staph organisms and it's actually quite dangerous and very unhealthy to be in a hospital. So what I would really strongly recommend is that you get on the most powerful superfoods, superherbs, definitely the really good probiotics, acidophilus and those kind of cultures, and really hit them hard before you go in, while you are there and when you leave so that those organisms can never get a hold of you. And specifically the medicinal mushroom complexes, [00:20:14] like a 5-mushroom formula type of thing with reishi, maitake, shiitake, agaricus blazei, that kind of a formula. Definitely garlic and aged garlic extracts. All those things that are the SITS program. And also being aware that the ventilation systems and what is going on in a hospital, it can be very, very – it can be dangerous. And this is something that definitely has been covered up.

I mean, I know like on the inside of what [00:20:42] is going on in the UK with the hospital system in the UK there has been runaway staphylococcus problems in the ventilation systems that they have basically hushed up completely because it could cause a panic. And that is another reason why we don't always get the complete truth is because the ruling powers are kind of like, "Hey, we don't want a panic here. We want

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everybody to be kind of calm and docile and not realize you know what's kind of going [00:21:12] on," and you know, if you own a hospital you don't want anybody freakin' out about your hospital because you've got a big debt that you are carrying and a big load and it's, you know, there is a strong propensity to keep everything under the radar.

Lucien: Yeah. My friend just went to the hospital for an intestinal problem and came out with staph. It had covered her entire back. And you know, they said to her, "Well, we don't know if the staph is going to kill you [00:21:40] or if it's just the more mild form of staph that we can treat. We are just going to have to wait and see." So she basically sat in the hospital for 48 hours waiting to see if she spiked a fever to know whether she was going to die or not.

Avocado: That is just totally insane but not unusual and more and more common, and probably something for all of us on TheBestDayEver to be aware of, because if we do land ourselves in a hospital due to an accident we want to make sure that we are dosing ourselves [00:22:08] up on the most powerful herbs possible and we want to get out of there as quickly as possible.

Lucien: What I am amazed at is the level of acceptance when people have all these side effects and side issues from the hospital. You know, they accept it sort of unquestioningly. When you give someone some sort of like superfoods or herbs there is such a level of skepticism if things don't go perfectly well or exactly the way that you sort of map it for them they immediately [00:22:34] kind of lose faith, but yet they can kind of go back and just get hammered like one symptom after another on these side effects with Western doctors that it just blows my mind.

Avocado: Lou, you come up with gems every now and then, man.

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That was a gem. That's so— It blows my mind too. I never got it. I never understood it. I don't get it. But you know, that is the programming of our culture. It is a cultural programming. When somebody has a superfood, when somebody eats cacao and they get a little heart palpitation because the body got stimulated by, the cardiovascular [00:23:07] system got stimulated because they had real chocolate for the first time in their life and they start, you know, freaking out, complaining, screaming it's the worst thing ever, whatever. Meanwhile, no problem to go to a hospital, do a pharmaceutical, do what the doctor tells me, take this, that and that drug, and whatever side effects they have, it's like, "Well," you know, "the doctor told me it's okay."

But you know, that is the way of the world. It is the way of the world. It's, you know, this is how we look at it. It's kind of like the universe is put together rationally and it's put together irrationally, and you can't make sense of it. You know, there are some things that are sensible and some things that are non-sensible, and that's just the nature of reality. It's like, "Why would somebody fall for that routine after the doctor almost killed 'em?" Who knows? It's the mystery of life.

Lucien: It's just such a blessing to have some resource that opens your mind to so many alternatives, and I think TheBestDayEver is all about giving you a healthy spiritual alternative to what else it out there. And I have never gone to one of these alternatives which could eating now a simple herb, a simple food and had any bad results.

Avocado: You know, and that's actually most people's experience. Or what people identify as a bad result is so totally miniscule and like absurdly ridiculous, it's like so small as compared to like almost [00:24:32]

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dying in a hospital.

Lucien: Yeah, like you say, like a heart palpitation from cacao.

Avocado: Yeah. Your heart beat too hard for 5 minutes because you, you know, drank a cacao drink in 5 minutes. You know, it's like it's kind of irrelevant, but we live in that kind of a culture. We live in an culture that has been entrained by media that is really fear-oriented. And so it's like, you know, they just hit the fear button, fear button, fear button. Okay, go [00:24:56] back to the doctor, fear button, fear button, go back to the doctor, go back to do what the government says, do what this says, do this. And what's happening is, is that masses of people in now the tens or hundreds of thousands are now starting to fall out of it because they are seeing that actually the kind of the powers-that-be or even the medical establishment is actually not scientific. Right?

If you go to a cancer doctor and say, "Let's see your cure rate. [00:25:23] I want to scientifically review your cure rate," they can't deliver you any results, so therefore they are not running a scientific operation, therefore their approach isn't scientific. You know what I mean? And this whole thing like, "Well let's see the science." It's like the people who demand the science actually are the people who are not even being scientific.

I read a great book recently, Lou. It was so good. I went to Powell's Bookstore. I was in Portland, Oregon, I went to Powell's Bookstore and I bought a book. I bought many different books, but one of them was on Sasquatch. You know, I love Bigfoot – I love that whole mythology, the whole everything. I love it. And it was written by a guy named [Dr.] Jeff Meldrum, and he is [00:26:01] the leading authority in the world on the subject right now. And you cannot read that book and

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go through all the scientific analyses that he has put together and say that this stuff doesn't exist. And then at the last chapter what he does, is he takes all the skeptics and their exact statements and disassembles them scientifically. But they – those skeptics – are saying, "Well, we're being scientific. We are being scientific because of this, we are being [00:26:26] scientific because of this." And he disassembles.

And I'll tell you, that last chapter of that book was one of the better chapters I have ever read on real science, which is an open-minded thing that uses the scientific method rationally and logically. It's just a phenomenal book. I mean, I read a lot of the books when I was a kid by [Dr.] Grover Krantz and some of the other guys that were out there, and they were great books, but nothing like [00:26:54] where the knowledge is at now. I mean where it's at now is on a whole 'nother level.

Lucien: Well that's the place to read it, in Portland, Oregon.

Avocado: Yeah, well we took a special drive just because of that book right through Bigfoot country on the 199 Highway right off of 5 right through the Oregon coast, right down the California coast through that Redwood Forest there, where you know the Sasquatch lives, in the middle of the night. And I tell ya, [00:27:18] I had my friend Shawn [spelling?] who was with me, and we powered through that whole night and I said, "Get that camera up on the dashboard. We're gonna get one of these things." It was so fun. It was the best ever.

Lucien: Oh, that would be awesome. Just having that footage on TheBestDayEver, that would just rock.

Avocado: That would be unreal.

Lucien: All right.

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Dear David, What is the best ever celery juice replacement? I think celery juice is making me too alkaline.

Avocado: Bok [00:27:47] choy. Great question, and the answer is bok choy. Bok choy is a dynamite alternative to celery juice.

March 2008 – Part 4

Lucien: Dear Avocado, What is the shelf life of NCD Zeolite? I bought a glass bottle about a year ago and I'm concerned that the zeolites could be pulling the blue cobalt from the glass. Is this a reasonable concern? Also, how well does NCD Zeolite maintain its potency while in storage?

Avocado: Good question. I'm [00:00:35] not specifically up on what the shelf life is or if there is a shelf life. What my assumption has always been is that there is no shelf life. It is always valuable because there is no organic material in the zeolite – or no living material. There are no bacterial cultures, there are no organisms, there are no food byproducts, there are no food particles, vitamins. Nothing like that is in there, so it probably has an indefinite shelf life. Could it actually [00:00:58] eat and etch into the glass and start pulling out cobalt out of the glass? It's highly unlikely, unless you started putting that thing through heating, like started heating that thing up or something like that, it's very likely to be completely inert and have a shelf life that is essentially forever. And I would check with Waiora and contact them and ask them the same question, but that has been my assumption.

Lucien: [Note: Glitch in tape where question has been edited out apparently.]

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metals?

Lucien: Yeah.

Avocado: The answer to that would be to go to a naturopath and have a blood test for heavy metals. That is the best and most accurate reading for heavy metals. The second best thing would be to have a hair analysis, and there are several outfits that you can find on the Internet where you can send them a hair sample and they can [00:01:48] return to you a heavy metal reading and a breakdown. And they are relatively inexpensive, so that's another option. And you would just Google "hair blood analysis" or "hair heavy metal analysis" and you will find those outfits on the Internet.

Beyond that, just to be a little bit clear as to why I am more partial to the blood test versus the hair test. I just believe that the hair test is not as accurate, that has been my experience over many years. [Dr.] Gabriel Cousens feels [00:02:13] the same way, that a blood test is going to be more accurate. And when you finally for example do your say one month, six months, one year, two year kind of thing you hair is going to – you know, obviously as your hair grows it is going to retain residues from a year ago, two years ago, that kind of a thing, whereas your blood is changing daily [00:02:38] and that is going to give you a more accurate reading of how things are changing over time.

Lucien: Okay. Great.

Dear Avocado, What can a male raw foodist take to increase sex drive and libido? I have tried cacao, maca and goji. Thanks.

Avocado: Okay. Well then you have got to go onto the real strong stuff. There is a great product out there which is

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put out by Dragon Herbs [DragonHerbs.com] which is Tongkat Ali, and Tongkat Ali is a kind of an aphrodisiac that comes out of Indonesia originally, and he has mixed it with a few Chinese herbs. And Tongkat Ali – I believe his product is actually called TomKat. That stuff works. That is an amazing aphrodisiac.

Generally what happens when somebody switches onto raw food is that their whole biology goes through a total change and kind of the sex impulse [00:03:26] just diminishes. It's just part of the deal. Sometimes it lasts a month, a week, sometimes it doesn't happen at all, sometimes it increases sex drive, but generally it's something like a 6-month to a year cycle where your sex drive goes down and your body kind of focuses on healing versus you know like the sex response. Because you know sex is all about reproduction and it's all about you know releasing those core energies that could be transmutated [00:03:53] into healing, and your body will automatically go into that mode. And I bet you that most of the people listening to this right now will probably corroborate what I am saying to some degree, that that was their experience or is their experience right now.

If you, you know, move on to second generation products, there are Chinese herbal formulas that are very good that use like cnidium seed, schizandra berries, goji berry extracts, that will use ho [00:04:19] sho wu [also known as fo ti or he shou wu] for example and a few others that are in the extracted form so they've gotten down to like kind of what the major chemistries are that really turn the screws. And they are usually a formula of like 10 different herbs in extracted form. I'm trying to think of another one that's just coming off the top of my head. Tribulus terrestris is another really good one. Tribulus or caltrop [00:04:47] is I believe indigenous to the Americas. I mean, it grows all through the western deserts of

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America. And that's also a pretty good testosterone builder and has the effect of being an aphrodisiac, and you can use that either in a powdered extract or in a liquid extract form and it does have a pretty good ability to get things going.

And then one more product I want to mention is Paul Stamets' product Native Man which is put out by New Chapters. Native Man is a mushroom complex that helps to build up hormones and the sex response in males and is a good direction to go as well.

Lucien: Okay. Awesome.

Dear Avocado, What are your experiences with pyramids? Meaning the shape in general and healing equipment in particular. Thanks in advance.

Avocado: Okay. I have a lot of experience with pyramids. I have played around with them for years. I read the book when I was a kid that said if you make a pyramid out of toothpicks [you can get] the effect of bread not molding as quickly as if the bread was just sitting out. I did that experiment when I was a kid. It worked. So I have always known [00:05:46] that there is something very special just about shape only. You know, that is something we just – you know, you'd never hear about that. It seems so ridiculous, like the shape of something could have a radical effect on the contents of the object within that shape, and that's definitely true. I mean, that's the whole theory of Feng shui, it's the whole vasdu theory that comes out of you know the Ayurvedic [00:06:11] and Hindu tradition. It's the whole Schauberger theory of the egg shape; it's the whole Patrick Flanagan pyramid power idea. The shape itself commands the energies into itself that are responding to that shape.

For example, just today I was storing some seeds in an

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egg that I have. I have a clay egg and I store my seeds in it. And this is in Hawaii, so I'm in the tropics, and you can't really store seeds very well here, but if I store them in my egg [00:06:41] I don't have any problem at all because the egg shape itself naturally channels in those energies that preserve and conserve.

The pyramid shape channels in those energies crystallize. So any energy that crystallizes. For example, let's say you put a blade at the King's Chamber level of the pyramid. What you should see is a crystallization at the very blade surface and a sharpening of that blade. Now I have never actually [00:07:14] found that to be true, but it's happening at such a microscopic level it probably is true.

There is in a lot of stuff on ormus that if you put a gold coin in the same zone as the King's Chamber inside a pyramid of any kind – and I use the copper pyramids now, the ones that are just bars of copper that are in a pyramid shape – you can get a crystallization of an ormus compound [00:07:35] on the surface of that gold coin. And that appears to be true. That appears to be the fact. The pyramid energy conserves better what is underneath it than if it was not underneath it. I have done that for so many years on so many different herbs and substances that that just to me is an obvious fact.

I also will put all my supplements and superfoods and anything that I am taking under a pyramid if I am in a place where I have a pyramid with me, one of those copper [00:08:01] pyramids. And that appears to kind of charge them up as well. Not only does it preserve them better, but it appears to charge them up as well.

Lucien: There is a lot of religious symbolism that is used using pyramids as well, if you look at you know Judaism, Buddhism. There are pyramids in there somewhere.

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Avocado: Yeah. I think that ancient cultures were just much more aware of this and it worked its way into the religious practices of those cultures, because [00:08:27] it's really obvious. And that's one of the reasons why like you go to Japan and they don't just build a building without taking into account the overall impact of this building to the thoughtforms and the awareness and the Feng shui of the whole area that is going to be created by this building and all the beings that are going to be in that building.

In the West you know it's kind of we don't care. It's like, put the skyscraper up, who cares. [00:08:54] But I think when there is a little bit more thought put behind it there is a realization that the form of the building is going to create the thoughtforms that are created in that building.

Lucien: I thought I heard you mention one time that the first molecule is carbon and that's a triangle shape and then silica which is two triangles?

Avocado: Well, the first substance that has space, or the first shape that has space in it out of the ether – meaning if you have [00:09:21] one point there is no space, you have two points there is still no space because it's just two dimensions. As soon as you go into three dimensions the first shape that can hold space within it is the tetrahedron, which is a three-sided pyramid – or actually a four-sided pyramid if you count the bottom.

If you go to silica, silica is two tetrahedrons stuck together – the bottoms of them stuck together. That's silica.

Lucien: That is very interesting the relationship between [00:09:45] the shape and the food.

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Avocado: Absolutely. You know, one of my favorite foods to eat is fiddlehead ferns because of that exact reason – because the shape of it is, there is nothing like that shape, that curled up almost like the head of a violin, you know where there is that curl up at the end of the violin, right where the tuning dials are? That shape, that winding Fibinachi sequence Golden Ratio spiral is not found in many foods you know in that [00:10:21] way. And so I really feel like that's as important to eat for shape as it is to eat for color.

Lucien: Okay. Cool.

Dear Avocado, I have been making raw coconut water kefir by placing coconut water in a locked jar out in the Sun for a day. Am I getting a great source of good bacteria for my intestines, and can I use this kefir as a base for a green smoothie? Thank you.

Avocado: The answer should be yes if it's a controlled culture and as long as you are getting no bacteria in there or fungal forms that you don't want. Yes, absolutely. And can you use it as a base for a smoothie? Yes. So that's really recommended. Because with probiotics [00:11:00] you can get a lot more bang for your buck if you culture that way. The great knowledge that we have about probiotics and the great gifts that we have gotten is that we have these probiotic cultures delivered to us completely intact, everything is there, and then we can use those as starters. Every single probiotic capsule can be a starter for a new culture and there we can grow from one little capsule a billion or 10 billion or 100 billion organisms instead of just [00:11:27] taking that capsule and just getting you know whatever, 15 million organisms, a million organisms, whatever we thought we were gonna get.

Lucien: Okay.

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Dear Avocado, Does ormus exist in nature without silica?

Avocado: Unknown. Probably not.

Lucien: Follow-up. Did the famous white powder of gold have silica in it?

Avocado: Probably. I can't say for sure but I'd say it's very likely because silica is the carrier, and if you don't have a carrier then you are going to have a problem, [00:11:52] which is the ormus is going to escape. And that is probably what happened on this recent situation which occurred where that ormus bottle just completely imploded, and essentially the whole ormus in there vaporized, the aluminum foil sheared and the glass sheared and disintegrated, and it's probably – I mean the only thing I can think of is that probably what happened in that particular batch is that there wasn't enough silica to contain the ormus and there was ozone happening [00:12:27] in the atmosphere. Because my friend Steve Adler where this happened, at his house, he had an ozone machine you know in the same room and what happened was is the ormus just had that too strong of an attraction for that ozone and just literally sheared right through that glass, couldn't be contained by the silica, and just boom, you know, hit the ozone and probably created a reaction in his room and he probably never even realized it.

Lucien: Interesting. And for those BestDayEver members who are [00:12:53] not sure what Dave is talking about, if you go to the video link you can click on ormus and then there is a subcategory called Imploded Ormus Gold and you will see the two videos and the experiment that Dave is talking about.

Dear Avocado, I have been trying to regrow tissue that was lost from nasal surgery and so far have not had

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great success. I read Robert Becker's book which basically makes a point that if anything is blocking the wound such as skin/scar [00:13:15] tissue or even a graft that the regrow process is halted, and this is even true for salamanders. I have applying ormus topically to the already-healed surgical area of my nose. I was hoping you might have some insight that maybe you could teach me by way of reconstructing my nose back to its original state. Thank you.

Avocado: I believe that noni, fresh noni, aloe vera, very likely ormus as well just based on results, the skin of cacao, the skin of [00:13:49] the shell, the cacao skin when you peel the bean, the blue pigments of bluegreen algae and probably a number of other substances that I cannot be sure of right now but probably would be included in this list are stem cell producers. They stimulate the production of stem cells and then the stem cells can regenerate tissue. If you were to hold aloe vera gel, fresh aloe vera gel, onto that area of the nose for an entire day 24 hours, or say all night when [00:14:24] you sleep, that will transform the tissue underneath that in a radical way. I mean radical. If you have ever had – I have had the fortunate opportunity of making noni smoothies all day long and had my hand in noni, fresh noni, all day long and at the end of the day having felt my hands and the skin tissue of my hands was completely rejuvenated to the point of a baby's skin, no exaggeration. I do exaggerate occasionally, but this is [00:14:49] not an exaggeration. It was to a baby's skin. My hands had never felt like that, not at any time that I could remember in my entire life. And that is the power of noni.

I mean, we're here in Hawaii, we are going to be getting a bear claw tub and we are going to fill that thing up with nonis and we are going to jump in there. We are going to start doing that, where you just jump

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your whole body in the darn tub with noni and get that going on your [00:15:10] whole body, because that power of having that rejuvenative cell-rejuvenating substance on your skin all the time – like for a long period, not just rubbing aloe vera [sic; or noni] on and then letting it dry, but leaving the fresh gel on there is unsurpassed. It cannot be matched by anything I know of. And that's kind of – that's the direction intuitively that I would go, you know, in regards to this person's question, which is a difficult [00:15:39] question.

Lucien: Okay. Awesome.

Dear Avocado, I read that nettles have a lot of silica and are very good for hair growth. Would you recommend taking nettle herbs and making a tea with it or capsules? If so, where can I buy the best nettles ever and how much should be taken per day?

Avocado: Nettles are definitely in the top herbs in the world. There are different ways you could go about it. Let's just start with the fresh wild-picked stuff. You could [00:15:58] go out with gloves and a bucket and go just clip some of the wild stuff. It grows all over North America, I think in every ecosystem. I have seen nettles in the desert, I have seen nettles in the Pacific Northwest, I have seen nettles in the Midwest – I mean it's just everywhere. You clip it, you throw it into a bucket and you can juice it or you can literally just [00:16:19] very carefully scissor it and mix into a salad and eat it as a salad green. If you get stung in your mouth it generally goes in about 30 seconds; if you get stung on your hand it's going to be there a few hours.

You could also take that stuff and hang dry it and then make teas out of it. That is also dynamite, it's a great way to go. I do that all the time. I love nettles. It's one of my favorite things ever, and it's awesome.

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The next stage is you could go [00:16:43] to some of the nettle extracts. Now interestingly on this interview already I have mentioned Gaia Herbs nettle extracts. They have several different kinds. Those are dynamite. I mean that's – their CO2-extracted stuff, super-critical, extract is totally powerful in the nettle world, and that is probably the best nettle supplement product you could buy. If you wanted to buy organic powdered nettle or organic whole leaf nettle on the Internet you could find that – you could go to like MountainRoseHerbs or BlessedHerbs or something like that and get a whole big packet of it there. And if you wanted it in a superfood formula, it's already kind of mixed in with other high-silica-content [00:17:26] herbs, that's really Sun is Shining, which used to be Nature's First Food. That product is kind of designed to be like a bone-building ormus content superfood formula for that reason, that you know high in silica.

Lucien: Okay. Awesome. And how does that work with hair growth? What is it about nettles that helps stimulate the hair growth? Because I'm thinking about that woman's question earlier that you answered as well with nettles.

Avocado: There seems [00:17:55] to be a very deep and unknown relationship between silica and sulfur, and what that relationship is I believe it's related through a biological transmutation. Let me clarify that a little bit more.

Silica and sulfur appear to do lots of the same types of things, and it might be that silica, sulfur and [unintelligible word] are connected in a way that we don't right now understand. We know that sulfur like on the periodic table I believe – what is it? Sulfur is number 16 on [00:18:32] the periodic table, silica is number 14 on the periodic table. So there is a relationship of two hydrogen molecules probably that

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somehow if you have enough hydrogen and silica it is transmutated into sulfur – or something like that.

Now I have very good research on biological transmutations beyond what was in Kervran's book Biological Transmutations, and it's just sitting in my office and I need to get to it on this particular subject. And it's just [00:19:00] one of those things that one night I'll just dive into this and really see if anybody has ever done any research on the biological transmutation of silica into sulfur. But the reason why I am saving any of this is because we know [00:19:13] that the primary mineral in hair is sulfur, and we also know that when you take a high amount of sulfur in your diet like MSM, it increases the thickness and rate of growth of your hair, but we also know that you can get that same kind of effect from taking in a high amount of silicon and/or ormus. So there is a really interesting dynamic between silicon, ormus, mydrogen also, and sulfur. It is yet to be completely determined what that is but, you know, stay [00:19:43] tuned.

Lucien: Okay. Awesome.

Dear Avocado, There has been much discussion in regards to living in alignment with one's dharma or mission. My question is, can you offer any strategies or protocols that one could install to ensure that one can find and get more in alignment with his or her dharma?

Avocado: Your dharma is something that you already intuitively know, and based on your karma it's either blocked for some reason or it's easily accessible. I think really [00:20:13] it's your karma. I don't know how better to describe it. Some people, you know, it takes them 60 years and then boom, they're on it, they get it, they crack into it; some people, like for me it happened when I was 23. You know, it's just I got a good karmic deck of cards that got dealt to me and boom, you

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know, I found out what my karma was, or my dharma was, and it wasn't blocked for me at an early age.

So how do we unblock that karma? Well, I think one of [00:20:35] the best ways is to really do some soul-searching. You know, deeply meditating inside yourself about why are you here, what is your mission, what do you do better than anybody else in the world, what would you do for free for every day of your life without any concern for any monetary remuneration or any kind of like awards or kudos or anything like that? What is so in alignment with your soul that you would do it even if no one else was around? And that kind of meditation [00:21:07] on those thoughts and those ideas is going to eventually channel you in pretty darn close to where your dharma is.

Most people already intuitively kind of know what it is, but you know they're blocked and you know something happens when they try to kind of act on their, their karma. And this I think is a real big part of the drug problem. Usually what drugs are about is distracting yourself away from your dharma. And when there is a drug problem it is always [00:21:37] about that. That has been my experience, that somebody is just using drugs to distract themselves away from dealing with their dharma, their reason for being. And meditation is a great way to get around that.

Lucien: That is an awesome insight. So would you say that most people on this planet because they are holding you know ordinary jobs, they're stressed out, worried, whatever, are just not in alignment with their dharma?

Avocado: To me, personally, I believe [00:22:00] that's the problem with the whole planet. That's the problem, is that people are not in alignment with their dharma, so therefore they are creating false identities, which is going to work and doing something they don't want to

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do. And then that false identity creates a health crisis. Which is, you know, if you are going to a job you don't like then you end up eating food you don't like because you are trying to numb yourself from being there. Or you know drinking [00:22:22] coffee all day for example just to try to get through the day because you don't really want to be there anyway.

You see where this is going? What ends up happening is then you create a false identity for yourself. And then you know what Jesus says in Love Without End, is death is a clearing house for false identities. Well what does that mean? Well, we have created a false identity because we are not really in our dharma. Therefore the, [00:22:49] you know, the undertaker will be there shortly to kind of say, "Hey. You get back on the path or you know you're not going to be around very long."

We know that our life is not completely random and that the universe is not put together randomly and that our emotional connection to ourself and others is intimately intertwined with how we manifest disease in our body. We know that the way we manifest our dharma or activate our dharma or what we are doing every [00:23:11] day is intimately connected to our luck or our karma as well. And that's an important thing, that I've seen it, and everybody knows this is true, that is somebody is on their mission and on their dharma the luck will favor them. That is just the way of the world.

And how could that be? Well, it's because they are in that flow of the synchronicity. You know, they are in that flow of that benevolence and grace that comes with being in alignment [00:23:37] with your dharma, and then it does precipitate down as luck – you know, being in good favor. So bad luck is nothing more than just being you know out of touch with what your mission is.

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Lucien: And if you've ever been in the sort of slipstream where you're in your dharma you just, you know from your own experience because you just meet the right people, you are in the right places, the most amazing things just sort of drop in your lap and you think, "Wow. Like this [00:24:04] is actually working."

Avocado: And you know what, Lou? That's a marker. That's how you know you are doing the right thing too. Let's say you are doing your dharma and you're like, "Well, I think this is my dharma and I think I'm doing the right thing, and everything appears to be you know like this is what I am supposed to be doing on the planet," well the way you confirm that is that that message you get from the universe daily that says, "Hey, there are [00:24:24] some pretty gnarly synchronicities you know being delivered up to you every day."

Now I had a synchronicity the other day. I just got to tell this, because this happens to me every day. And people around me, they see this all the time. And so you know I tell them it's like, "You'll see it." And they'll be like, "No," you know, "It's a bunch of B.S." You know, they think it's B.S. but then when you're around it you'll see it's [00:24:42] not B.S.

Like I had one that happened that was bizarre the other day. I was in the garden with my friend Tonya and we were doing some gardening, and she said, "You know, do you ever, do you like get recognized everywhere you go?" and I'd be like, "You know, it's surprisingly calm actually. I'll get recognized, but it's always completely random and it's usually by someone from New York." The very next hour I took a whole bunch of [00:25:05] people down to the beach and I had to stay in the car and just make a bunch of phone calls, and so I was kind of late getting down there. They were already packing up by the time I got down

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there. I'm just gonna like strip off my clothes, go jump in the ocean, and then just come back.

Well, I run and I jump in the ocean, and when I'm walking back there is like this girl walking by. I'm completely naked. This is walking by and she is like looking at [00:25:27] me – like really looking at me. And I was like, "Whoa! This is kind of like a weird situation." Well, it turns out that as I got my clothes on I started walking back, that her friend was there, and her friend said, "Hey, you're David Wolfe." And I said, "Yeah." She said, "You know, me and my friend were just looking you up online last night." And it turned out that that was her friend, that woman who walked by who was looking at [00:25:44] me. And it wasn't that she looking at me; she was like trying to recognize me, because you know they were just looking up online last night. And I said, "Well," you know, "how did you guys even find out who I was?" and they were like, "Well, we saw you at a lecture in New York." And that was literally within [unintelligible phrase] right after that. I mean it was such a shocking synchronicity. It was like, "Whoa!"

And [00:26:05] you know, that's how you know that hey you're like, things are on track, because the universe not constructed rationally. It is equally or more constructed irrationally. Synchronicity as it moves through your life is really telling you how far into the flow of your dharma and all good things you are. And the more synchronicities that happen the better off. And I actually believe that our ultimate – the evolution, you know, as a being – is to be so [00:26:32] deep into the synchronicity that we crack all the technological codes and finally get out into the stars and really have a real culture and technology and real civilization and really get the Earth back into paradise. But that can only occur under a hypersynchronicity phenomenon. I mean, we are not going to get there

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with the kind of, you know, the situation we are in right now unless people get on their mission.

It's just your mission. I mean, this is another [00:26:57] thing too, is people come to me a lot of times and they ask me about like, you know, "What do you think about enlightenment, immortality?" and I'll tell you, the more – my experience has been – the more I am doing what I am supposed to be doing the more like an Immortal I feel and the more synchronistic everything comes and the more enlightened I feel. And the more I do administrative stuff and stuff I don't like to do and business stuff that I [00:27:20] don't like the more I realize that that is just dragging me right out of the synchronicity and the more I feel like I'm aging and the more that I feel like I'm becoming dis-enlightened.

So it's like everybody gets a specific frequency of light. That's their dharma. And the more they can stay on top of that, the more of the Immortal and Enlightened Being they become, and the more they get swayed off that the less of an Immortal and Enlightened Being [00:27:46] they become. And actually the ultimate thing, I believe, is to become so in tune with that frequency that you become it; you embody it totally and then your body no longer matters. You are completely resonant with that energy field and therefore you don't even need a body anymore. And I do believe that that's the truth of what happened to beings like Jesus, St. Germain, Buddha, you know, all the great Enlightened Masters [00:28:16] arrived there from that. And that's my distillation of all the spiritual literature that I have read on that subject, you know, going all the way back to Unveiled Mysteries you know right on through to Love Without End: Jesus Speaks.

Lucien: Wow.

Avocado: That's a lot to chew on, but I really – I really feel that

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that is something important to chew on, because everybody on this website and everybody listening to this right now is at some level considering [00:28:44] immortality. Because you can get to a place with superfoods and raw foods and herbs where you feel so good every day there is nothing going to take you out. There is no disease going to take you out. That is not how you're going out.

So then you start to actually come into this idea like, "Whoa. I could be around for a while." Then you start to ask the deeper questions. "Okay. Why am I here? What is my reason for being?" and then [00:29:04] that gradually leads you right to that, you know, that kind of discovery of like, "Hey, you have a specific frequency unique to you," and it is unique to you. You know, Jesus's frequency was unique to Jesus. You know, Buddha's frequency was unique to Buddha. And you need to be on the frequency that is unique to you – not to Buddha or Jesus – if that makes sense.

Lucien: And it seems like it's a great sort of inroad. The name of our website and [00:29:27] our motto, which is of course, "Have the best day ever," you are having the best day ever, I'm trying to have the best day ever. That mindset – it does seem to create the best day ever. And you have people saying it to one another, "Hey, have the best day ever" on the chat, and the forums, "Hey, have the best day ever," "Have the best lunch ever," you know, "I'm going to go get something to eat," "Well, have the best dinner ever." And you [00:29:48] sort of do.

Avocado: I know. It's crazy, actually. You know, yesterday we pulled some honey out of our hive. Right? And one of the women who is here, she – because I had put some in, I had some ginseng flower tea and I put the honey in and mixed with that with spring water. Okay? And this is in Hawaii. Like Hawaiian spring water, the best

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ginseng flower to come out of China – I mean literally it's the best ever – and then honey literally [00:30:18] fresh out of the hive within minutes out of the hive into the tea, and she said, "How is it?" and I said, "This is by far the best beverage I have ever had." And she said, "You say that all the time." I said, "Well, it's true!" And it was true. I mean, I couldn't even believe the prana that was in that. I mean, it was totally off the charts. But it's not going to come around unless you really being to apply what you are saying, which like, "It's [00:30:46] the best ever," "It's the best day ever," "It's the best dinner ever," "It's the best drink ever," "It's the best food ever," "It's the best superfoods ever."

From that you will create the best ever – and that's the only way to get there. You know, if you're like, "Well, it might be good. It's okay." "Well, kind of fine. I don't know. Not too bad," then that creates a totally disempowered state of consciousness. But the best ever [00:31:09] delivers something – it's a new dispensation. It delivers a whole 'nother energy frequency to the planet, I believe. I mean, that's how – that's been my experience.

Lucien: Wow. This is awesome. This is like the whole mindset of TheBestDayEver philosophy just crunched into 10 minutes. You know, that's why they join this site, because they can join any health website you know and get facts or get information, but the one thing I notice [00:31:36] people get in TheBestDayEver that they don't get is like the personal connection with a master, and then they get the community of people that are just so into it. And then everybody working on the site, they just – they want it to be the best site ever, and it's coming from a real pure place, and that vibe just permeates that site. It's just palpable.

Avocado: Right on. And by the way, you know, I don't consider myself a master. I consider [00:32:02] myself a

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student, always learning, and I do believe that we are in an age where gurus are now going away; that we are now our own guru and that we must use our own internal divine power and our own connection to God inside ourself direct, instead of through another being – although we can learn from other beings – and get deeper connections to God within ourselves by connecting with beings who are very connected to God, but ultimately the contract [00:32:26] is between us and God. You know, there is no one standing in between or no guru or masters in between us and God. Our personal contract is with the direct source. So that's my personal philosophy on that.

March 2008 – Part 5

Lucien: Have you heard of or tried oil pulling? It seems to be getting pretty popular these days. What are your thoughts on it? Would neem oil be good for this? Are there any other oils that might be the best ever?

Avocado: Yeah. Neem oil is excellent for that. I have never heard it phrased that way, as oil pulling, but I do that type of thing all the time. Not only on my skin but also in my mouth, and in fact I use neem oil that way. I have really gotten into neem oil in [00:00:40] the last year. I mean it's like I used it every day now. And I think not only because I like it on my teeth, but a little of it seeps into my system and it's such a powerful antibiotic of all different kinds and it has such a tremendous history and it's such a beautiful tree that it's just, it's awesome. I mean it's just awesome stuff. So the answer is, you know, if you can do that with essential oils – especially the really powerful stuff like neem oil, more power [00:01:10] to you.

Lucien: Awesome. Are there any other oils that you recommend?

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Avocado: Sure. Eucalyptus oils and menthol oils that come out of eucalyptus, mint oils. Mint oils by the way – peppermint oils and that kind of a thing – very likely dissolve calcification. And that's been something I have been wanting to say for a while. I just [00:01:31] don't have enough real conclusive proof of that. I suspect that that's true. And that's way for example if you have like bursitis or something like that you can use a linament that has a concentration of peppermint oil in it, and it can really get in there and de-inflame [correct word?] that whole area. And it's not [00:01:48] only because it creates the oxygenation that draws it in, but I believe it actually starts to dissolve that excess calcium, the bad calcium that is created by the nanobacteria that are forming the bursitis in the first place or forming the bone spur in the first place.

Lucien: Dear [00:02:05] Avocado, I was reading over the probiotic species in Sun is Shining. I counted like 36 or 43 – some high number like that. I have begun my studies on knowing all about these species. How does the organism count in Sun is Shining compared to something like Jarrowdophilus? Are they acting on a very slight maintenance level or does Sun is Shining probiotics have the potency to be therapeutic?

Avocado: It's slight maintenance level. It's not potent enough to [00:02:32] be therapeutic. And so if you were taking Sun is Shining as your probiotic supplement because you needed it because of candida or something like that or cancer or a very serious health issue then I would recommend taking an additional probiotic bacteria, something that was really strong. And I really like the Jarrow formulas. They have good products. And Dr. Ohhira's products are really good. O-h-h-i-r-a. You can find that on the Internet. That's a great [00:03:00] probiotic line.

And I am going to move forward. I finally have kind of

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narrowed down exactly what kind of probiotic formulation I am going to move forward with. It's been a lot of years, and people have been on me for years about it, and I think I'm getting closer. I mean we are now definitely in the funnel of where we are going with a probiotic product. So that is something to watch out for in the next year. I'm hoping I can have that out in a year. It's something I could turnkey right now; it's just a matter of like money and timing, but it's on the cards.

Lucien: Okay. And what do you recommend? I mean I have been taking Sun is Shining for about the last two months. You know, I put it in my green drinks, I put it on my salad. What is like a recommended – if someone really [00:03:35] has an affinity for that product, what do you recommend in terms of you know dosages?

Avocado: It could be— I've seen— There was a woman who worked for me. God, one time she did like 12 to 15 heaping tablespoons a day for a period of about 4, or maybe 3 or 4 or 5 days. There was period there where she was going through a real intense like healing crisis. And that's an upper limit level there. I mean, I would recommend 3 or 4 heaping tablespoons a day if [00:04:05] you really want to bone up on it and get it going and get some real effects. And if you're just new to it, just take 1 or 2 tablespoons a day.

Lucien: Okay. Cool.

Dear Avocado, Is Miracle Mineral Solution (MMS) a safe and effective product?

Avocado: Unknown. The apparent conclusion at the moment is yes. I am gonna do it. I haven't done it yet. I was getting the MMS [glitch words missing] going for a while. I just haven't gotten the product yet. So I can't report my own personal experiences with it. I have had

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lots of friends who have been on it and they love it and experience good effects from it. We know for sure that it is curative of malaria, and therefore it can be very powerful and important in Africa or in Amazonia or places where malaria is a problem. And it's also important in the sense that we know that MMS is not carcinogenic or seriously toxic.

But it is an oxidant. I mean, it's a [00:05:08] very intense oxidant, so it's probably on par with drinking hydrogen peroxide, which would mean it can be effective for a short-period. It's probably not good to be doing it in the long-term forever. It's kind of like a thing you do for a little bit of time and then you kind of drop it. That's my guess. I don't know.

Lucien: Okay. Great.

Dear Avocado, A friend has been managing an HIV+ status for 10 to 15 years without the assistance of pharmaceuticals. Recently [00:05:34] however his platelets are dropping at a rate of 10,000 every 3-4 months after being stable for many years. His count is currently about 40,000. Any thoughts on why this drop and any advice on what might be done about it from a spiritual point of view?

Avocado: Okay. I don't believe – and I don't believe that most researchers in the AIDS field believe that HIV alone can cause the entire immune system deficiency syndrome. That usually the problem is like [00:06:06] any other issue, which is a catastrophic advance of many different viruses, many different types of bacteria all at once, HIV being one of them. But HIV is probably innocuous. It itself doesn't do much; it's just a marker of high-risk behavior, if that makes any sense.

Meaning that if you are engaged in a high-risk behavior – behaviors that have been associated with

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immune deficiency disorders, whether an intravenous drug user, gale male for example, [00:06:38] then HIV may be a marker that you are in the high-risk group but it itself is not a causative agent. It may just signal you may have other viruses and lots of other problems going on. And the whole point is then to get onto super immune system support. And that's available now. The best immune system support ever – with the use of zeolites, the whole LNP with the mushrooms, the aged garlic extract, the cat's claw powder, the blue mangosteen. I mean [00:07:10] just it's really unbelievable. And then if you throw raw and living foods in on top of that and the whole healthy lifestyle – sunshine, fresh air, swimming in the ocean, walking barefoot on the Earth, gardening – you know all those factors, that's more the spiritual side of things, when you bring that all together then an immune deficiency is not going to be possible.

Generally when someone has a platelet count falling what I recommend initially and immediately for someone [00:07:38] who is completely new to the information is pau d'arco tea – because it tastes good and it builds up your platelet count. So that's probably the best start.

Lucien: Dear Avocado, Have you tried New Tech Energy's white powder gold? If so, what is your opinion of it?

Avocado: Maybe. Maybe. New Tech Energies. I would have to think about that. I'm thinking of the bottle. I think I might even have it here. You know what? Let me look. Let me see [00:08:00] if I've got that here. I brought a bunch of ormus gold with me, different ones. Maybe. I don't know. I can't say. It's doesn't have a label. It doesn't say New Tech Energies on the bottle. You know, I don't know if I have taken that ormus gold product. I can't say for sure. I have some ormus gold products here, but they don't have – there's no – it just

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says like ormus gold on it but it doesn't have the company.

Lucien: Okay. Well, the best one [00:08:24] is the one from Sunfood though.

Avocado: Well we know we are onto the right stuff now, I can tell you that. With that whole implosion that absolutely guarantees we are on the right stuff, and that's the most powerful corroboration that we've ever had.

Lucien: Could you maybe put that experiment into context for people? Because I know a lot of people just looked at that experiment and they weren't sure like you know [00:08:48] how it started, what it is supposed to do. And could you maybe give a little bit of a background explanation of those two videos?

Avocado: Okay. Well, here is the thing about ormus that we know. We know that ormus is kind of a strange matter. It doesn't behave in the way that normal matter behaves, it violates certain official laws of physics, has certain properties and affinities that are completely unique in the world in terms of mineral isolates. And ormus generally [00:09:21] is associated with metals that have been reduced to a molecular [unintelligible word] of less than say 12 atoms bonded together that in nature like to bond together. That is why they are kind of metallic. That is why they link together [unintelligible phrase] they do and they have the properties that they do to carry electricity.

Well, when you reduce that bonding down to say 12, 9, 4 or in the case gold you have to reduce it to one atom size, when you pull one atom off and away [00:09:53] from all the others it actually takes on a different form. It becomes a different form of matter, and that form of matter is called ormus. And it looks much more like a ceramic and it's stable in that form.

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So let's say you took it and you flipped [00:10:04] it into the ormus form and then you put it back with the metal, it would still be in the ormus form. It's stable in that state in the ormus form and probably most of the – most of the metals in the Earth are actually not even in their metallic form. They are in their ormus form. But as they come up through lava flow, through [00:10:21] the swelling of oceans, through spring water and they are exposed to the biosphere and the atmosphere then they can be flipped into metals or they can continue their journey upward and work their way up through mushroom spores and pollen and ions in the atmosphere and start working their way up towards the Sun, because they have a natural affinity to fall upwards or to fall towards the Sun. In the same way that ozone and oxygen – [00:10:49] which originate in the upper atmosphere, contrary to the general theory today – and fall downwards, the same way they have an attraction for substances in the Earth.

So what we are really talking about here is a sexual relationship between the Sun and the Earth. So the Sun is male and the Earth is female, so the Earth is producing elements or seeds that are being inseminated by certain sperm for lack of a better [00:11:14] term that is coming from the Sun. And the way we look at that is ozone or oxygen is the sperm and ormus is the egg. And the baby is hydrogen. And so this is kind of the general theory that we have been working with for about 13 years, and I think it's pretty darn close to the truth based on the research. Because if you put ormus in an environment where there is a high amount of ozone, it can in certain circumstances escape your packaging – whatever it is. [00:11:44] Whether it's in aluminum foil, glass, a metal container. Because that is such a hunger. It's like a sexual thing. It's like a cat. You know, a cat in heat is going to get out of the house. That is just going to happen. And it

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will actually disintegrate glass or metal on its escape route, and that is probably what happened in this case with Steve Adler's ormus.

He was running an Aranizer in his room. He doesn't know when it happened. It happened [00:12:13] in a period within 2 or 3 months since the last time he had checked his ormus box. Only one of the ormus bottles did it happen to, and it was probably one that was low in silica. That is just a guess, because silica is a good binder of ormus. It will hold ormus in check. Or another way of saying that is if you have a cat in heat and you keep it in a locked room and there is no way for it to get out, it won't get out. That's the silica. [00:12:37] It's holding it in that room. It's not going to let it out. But if you let the door open a little bit and that cat can run under your legs and get out of the house then it will do that. And that's kind of what happened with that particular bottle. There must have like – something. Like the aluminum foil wasn't tight around the dropper top, so there is you know that dropper top because it is spongy can actually bleed oxygen through it, and some ozone must have gotten in there and activated that ormus and then caused the ormus to just wholesale escape from the bottle. And that is exactly what happened. The ormus not only escaped, but what was left there were rocks of quartz or purple rock.

And that indicates two things. One is that the ormus had been flipped back into its metallic form and taken on its crystalline natural state, which is in a quartz. We know that quartz contains gold and that purple quartz and rose quartz, [00:13:35] the reason why they are purple and why they are rose in color is because of their gold content. And what has happened with those substances is very likely there was a reaction when quartz was formed where the ormus had escaped, interacted with ozone and boom, the quartz was

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instantly created on the spot and the water was completely dissipated into the environment – which is what happened to, it's exactly what happened with this particular bottle of ormus.

Lucien: Wow. [00:14:02] That's fascinating. So is the technology of ormus, would it be possible to make gold out of ormus?

Avocado: Yes it would. I mean, one of the ways that you can make gold is that you could – if you were clever enough, if there was a way to do it, and there probably is way, you could out of your natural environment— Probably the best way would be trapping ormus water, spring water, and then reducing all the moisture out of it and precipitating out the ormus elements [00:14:27] and then putting them under high ozone and you could probably flip— Or putting it just in the sunlight. And then that would flip it into a metallic form.

But the thing is, is when you flip it into a metallic form like that, you can have a high release of energy, and that's what disintegrated the glass in this case and the aluminum foil. And that high release of energy would go off like a boom, a spark of light, like a pop of light, and that may or may [00:14:53] not be a good thing to be around. We don't know. I mean, we don't know if when that spark happened if it's okay to be near there, if that's a radioactive event, or what's happening. But what you would be left with, the precipitated products that would be left over would be metallic objects, and one of them would likely be gold if you were trapping spring water for example and you were doing that kind of experiment.

The question is, can you do it economically? [00:15:22] Can you filter out ormus gold out of the environment economically and then convert it over to metallic gold in a reasonable way. And the answer that the Essenes

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came up with was that you could do it, the best way to go about doing that is to go after it in Dead Sea salt. And that's the whole secret of the alchemy of the Essenes. They created gold out of Dead Sea salt by doing specific steps that were done over long periods of time traditionally – which I [00:15:46] don't want to get into right now – that would gradually draw the ormus out of the Dead Sea salt and then convert it over to its metallic form and then they would take those metallic gold sheets or metallic leaf, gold leaf, and then concentrate it by smelting it and sell it to the Romans. And that is one of the ways that they made money.

Lucien: Wow. Wow.

Avocado: I mean that's a lot. I mean, if you get me going on ormus I can keep going and going for hours.

Lucien: Dear [00:16:13] Avocado, I have a huge amount of whole dehydrated noni fruit. I have been letting it soak overnight and blended that with coconut water. After straining it I feel that there is still a lot of noni there. Is there a better way to get all the goodies? Maybe simmering it in hot water? Thanks.

Avocado: That's a good question. I mean, it's tough to say if you could get more goodies by heating it up. Probably not. Probably the best thing is to just, is to take [00:16:38] the blended coconut-noni, pour it through a strainer and just down it. That would be still very accessible. I don't know how you could make it more accessible by heating it up. It probably would actually hurt it more than help it. There are omega-3 fatty acids in noni seed, and if this is whole noni fruit with the seed then it's likely that when you blended it you released that omega-3, the blade cracked the seed and the omega-3 fatty acids were busted out of [00:17:10] that seed. And then if you pour that through a strainer you are

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going to get a heavy dose. So that's – you know, that's something that is volatile and don't want to really heat that up.

Lucien: Okay. Here's the next question, which is an interesting one.

Dear Avocado, If "you are what you eat" is greater or more important than "you are what you think or feel" why are raw foodists/superfoodists still not in the ranks of saints or supermen [00:17:39] who are able to produce phenomena or perform so-called miracles with ease? For example Yogananda, Ramana Mahesh Maharishi, Madame Blavatsky, Therese Neumann and other spiritual giants of the 20th century, manipulated energy at will which rendered the term superhero redundant. If "you are what you eat" is indeed greater than any other law, why are raw foodists of 20, 30 and 40 years still utterly unable to touch these cooked vegetarian [00:18:07] masters with regard to spiritual maturity and mastery of the etheric, mental, emotional and physical planes of matter?

Avocado: Wow. That's a dynamite question. That's good. I have met masters who can manipulate matter. You know, most people know that. I mean, I have met people who can perform miracles right before your very eyes with the equal veracity of any of the great masters of history, at least the stories that we have heard of. You know, like [00:18:34] somebody can blow out somebody's tumors snapping their fingers, like John of God level stuff. I have been there. I have seen that happen, and it's totally powerful.

Here's what I have discovered by being around people who are like that, and that is when they go raw their powers are much improved. And they are more in control of them. The siddhis – you know, that's the word in Ayurveda, in the Vedic language, that is

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related to physical mastery [00:19:02] and the powers that come along with it. And also emotional lineage mastery, and that's an important distinction. And that is, these beings who have these powers – whether it is Madame Blavatsky or Yogananda or whoever – come from a lineage that has purified itself of negative thoughtforms, negativity and just inappropriate types of behaviors and miasms, and therefore they come, those beings are born into this world to be yogis. And they have these—

I [00:19:36] kind of look at it like this: they have psychic abilities that surround them. That's been my experience of being around psychics. It's not like you have psychic powers; it's you have a psychic phenomenon that surrounds you. And it's kind of like a dog. It's like sometimes it will listen to you and sometimes it won't, but the longer that you live the more it works with you because you gain control of it more just in the same way as if you had a dog for 20 years. You know, after 20 years you know you and that dog are like connected, and you have more power over it – not, not in that way. You have more connection to it so if you want to bend the spoon the for example it's going to happen on will instead of having to try to force it or fake it in a situation where it wasn't doing what you wanted it to do.

So the siddhis are those psychic powers or those phenomenon that surround perfected types of beings are more powerful when those people are raw. And that – I know that for a fact. And that's totally interesting, because what it is indicating is, is that the greatest beings in the world, the Jesuses, the Buddhas, the Yoganandas, those kinds of beings, they could even be at higher levels by purification of what is coming into their temple. And not to say that if you have a pure temple that you are suddenly going to develop psychic powers, but if you have [00:21:06]

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that phenomenon around you, you can improve it – and if you work on the other factors like emotional cleansing, clearing out your lineage, problems in your lineage, forgiving all the factors in your lineage, working on your own you know miasms that have been handed down or behaviors that are, you know, whatever it is. You know, everybody has them so you know everybody knows what their stuff is – that over a period of time that kind of phenomenon can suddenly [00:21:34] magnetize itself to you and you suddenly may have that happening.

So that's my best answer to that. And I do believe that the reason why say, you know, Blavatsky or whoever was like a cooked vegetarian and a cigarette smoker is because that was what was available to her in her time. And we are in a different now, and so now we have different technologies available to us. I mean, Madame Blavatsky wasn't driving around in you know a bus, because she didn't have a bus. [00:21:58] You know, they didn't exist back then. It's just that kind of thing. You know, it's like with the technologies and the crises of our world new opportunities and possibilities are created that were never available before and that can take us to even higher and higher places. And we may not be the benefactors of it in the sense that— I mean we are all benefiting from it, but the great benefactors from it may come in the future, the great yogis who are born [00:22:26] into perfect lineages suddenly having say raw food information presented before them and superfood and superherb information right you know to them when they are 3 years old or 4 years old. This is what is coming in.

And I know – in fact I have in my mind right now a child who is in that mode, who is like a 3-year-old child who has total psychic powers, is a totally amazing being and, and communicates with you psychically and will sit there and stare [00:22:54] at you for 5 minutes,

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10 minutes. A 2-year-old, 3-year-old child. And just look you right in the eye. And will be the benefactor of this kind of information, because they have gotten this information already. They are already growing up with this kind of diet and lifestyle. And we'll see what happens, but I bet you a few generations down the road big changes are coming in.

Lucien: I've got to ask, when is David Wolfe going to start reproducing?

Avocado: I hope [00:23:23] soon. You know, I don't know. I just turned it over to the universe. I couldn't, I couldn't, I couldn't deal with it anymore. I was like, "You know, it would be great to have a few kids in the world and it would be awesome to you know have a good little family going," and you know these things are not— I kind of, I guess I defer to the yogic theory on it, and that is these things are not often in our control. They are fated, you know, they are destined. [00:23:47] And therefore it is going to happen you know on its own accord and I have got to stop trying to manipulate it. I've just got to see if it can happen – you know, or just go with the flow. I don't know. That's the way I look at it.

Lucien: Dear Avocado, Is the external use of Epsom salts safe? Is it something you would recommend? I have some concerns on the purity of Epsom salt. What is your opinion?

Avocado: I have some concerns on the purity [00:24:07] of Epsom salt too. It's funny this question comes up, because I just did a liver flush which I had not done in a number of years – you know, drinking the olive oil. We just did a 9-day cleanse and it was very intense. I mean it was like – because I was working full-tilt through the whole thing at maximum level, and so it was a very intense cleanse. But then we ended it with

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a liver, with a liver flush. And then at the very end of that [00:24:34] liver flush my friend Dr. Stewart [Blaikie?], he was like, "Hey," you know, "you've got to drink the Epsom salts with water." I'm like, "Drink Epsom salt? Are you kidding?" He was like, "Nope. You've got to do it. You've got to do it." And I had never drank Epsom salt before, so I actually drank some Epsom salt – which I have always been concerned about the purity of Epsom salt – and it was really heavy. It was hardcore. But, you [00:24:55] know, it was part of the cleanse and the way that Dr. Stewart had done it and does it, and it came out the other side and I was like, you know, no worse for the wear. But definitely, definitely it moved some stuff out of me, no question about it.

I personally don't really believe in Epsom salts too much. I believe we have better stuff available to us – like sea salts, especially the Hawaiian and the Celtic [00:25:16] sea salts, like the Himalayan rock salts and the real salt that comes out of Utah. So, you know, maybe – maybe the Epsom salt wasn't the best way to go, but I drank it the other day, so—

March 2008 – Part 6

Lucien: Dear David, How does magnesium sulfate compare with magnesium oil?

Avocado: Magnesium sulfate may be an ormus-bearing substance in its salt form, and the reason why I say that is because magnesium sulfate chemically made in a laboratory is not the same as magnesium sulfate naturally found in salt formations. So that indicates to me that there are different properties present in the natural substance [00:00:45] which probably means there is different minerals present, which is ormus – likely. The good magnesium oils it's the same story. When you have magnesium chloride, for example,

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which is a salt, in its artificial form it does not have the magic, it doesn't have the anti-inflammatory properties or the hydration properties or the real special oiliness that magnesium chloride hexahydrate has which comes from the Dead Sea.

And when you take both those [00:01:15] substances – say natural magnesium sulfate or natural magnesium chloride and you spin them or vortex them you massively increase their efficacy when they are coming from a natural source, which is indicating to me that there is ormus present because ormus reacts to centrifugal motion, which is spiral motion, especially double-spiral or tornado motion. And that's why it appears that these substances have an affinity for the skin, they have anti-inflammatory properties, they have an affinity for the joints, they have an [00:01:52] oiliness but also a water solubility. These are all characteristics that ormus has.

Lucien: Would you say that if you had the choice between the two you would go with the magnesium sulfate?

Avocado: I would go with magnesium chloride hexahydrate – spun. That's been spun. Actually that's the product that I have out right now, which is the magnesium oil. That stuff is really, really powerful and it's both water- and oil-soluble, which [00:02:15] is really fascinating.

Lucien: And that's available at Sunfood Nutrition dotcom, Sunfood.com?

Avocado: Yeah. And that's an ormus-containing Viktor Schauberger level type of product. It was developed actually by a student of Viktor Schauberger, you know, a guy who was a super addict of Viktor Schauberger technology and insights and all of that – and also a guy who understands the power of ormus and Dead Sea salt. So when you take those things together,

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[00:02:44] there is something going to happen.

You know, that's really what TheBestDayEver and the information on this site is, it's bringing an awareness of these technologies independently developed. One of them is the vortexing technology, which is the Schauberger idea, and then the ormus technology. Now when you bring those two together, we have discovered now in the last 10 years that ormus reacts to centrifugal motion or vortex action and becomes – it becomes capable [00:03:10] of penetrating tissue and going right to the joint surface when it's been spun like that. And that's pretty darn interesting. Meaning it has affinity to where it needs to go.

Lucien: Dear David, Do you think parasites have the ability to alter other hormone levels like those of sex hormones?

Avocado: Yes. Totally. We know that's true. That's actually a fact, that parasites have the ability to change [00:03:33] our hormone levels around. Actually, in the case of candida it has been found that that is true, that candida can change our hormones around and that once we get the candida out of our body then our hormones change around. I just recently was looking at some research on that particular subject. It's a very fascinating area of research, and I would like to get more into it and I'll just see what the universe delivers, but we know [00:03:59] that that is happening.

Lucien: And I'm assuming that the change in the hormones is not the best ever.

Avocado: Probably not. I don't know enough about it to say either way. I mean, it's very likely that if there is a parasite changing things around it is probably changing things around in a way that you don't want.

Lucien: Dear Avocado, My parents have been wearing glasses

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all their lives as well as my sister and brother, and I think it is genetic. I hope it's not in [00:04:25] my DNA or my children's DNA. I have started to eat organic carrots and organic spinach for two years now and needless to say it does not seem to be working. If you could help me with my eyesight I would be delighted. Thank you.

Avocado: Two things about eyesight that we know. Well, first of all one thing is there is definitely a genetic factor. It's a factor. Obviously we don't – we never get a doomsday report based on our genetics, but it does deliver to us what [00:04:53] the predispositions in our lineage is or are. And with eyesight the two main types of foods you want to be focusing on are all berries – including goji berries and blueberries and huckleberries and loganberries and elderberries and every berry you can think of, and that would include even acai and grapes, which are really mostly berries. You know, botanically they are berries. And then anything that has a high concentration of DHA. DHA is docosahexaenoic acid [00:05:24] which is an omega-3 fatty acid, long-chain omega-3 fatty acid. And your eye actually consists mostly of DHA. And where do you get that? Well krill oil is an excellent source of it in a therapeutic concentrated form.

If you are a vegan and you want to get a pretty concentrated form of it in a natural way then Ocean's Alive marine phytoplankton is the best source that's out there right now of getting that in a vegan way. But it's [00:05:53] still not nearly as concentrated as what is in krill oil. Krill oil will deliver the goods right there to where the action is.

Now the eye too – there's another thing about the eye. And the eye has a sulfur level as well that controls its juiciness, so the more sulfur that is in the eye the most juicy it is and the less likely we are to develop either

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nearsightedness or farsightedness because the eye can bend and focus and is more flexible. And therefore [00:06:24] one drop of DMSO in each eye has been shown to be safe in humans and will very likely begin to loosen up any hardening of the eyeball, which is usually what causes age-related eyesight loss. Or, you know, suddenly someone becomes farsighted or nearsighted. It is usually due to a hardening of the eyeball.

Lucien: Okay. So this is fascinating. So you are saying that we can actually put DMSO in our eye. Does that DMSO also have to be diluted with water like [00:07:02] you would spray it on your skin?

Avocado: Let me clarify that. I have done 99% DMSO directly into my eye. I have looked at the medical research in that area. Animal research has indicated that very dosages of DMSO in the eyes of like rats and other things has been dangerous, but human research has never indicated that by the way. So that's really interesting. This is one of the areas where animal research and human research differ. So I want to put that out [00:07:29] there.

Now the other thing is, is I would recommend probably going to the 70% DMSO, 30% distilled water mix and trying that. And that's probably a good way to go on putting it directly into the eye. Now you didn't hear it from me. I'm a priest and that's spiritual advice and that's kind of the deal.

Lucien: Okay. One last question which I've got to ask is do you get that burn when you put it in the eye?

Avocado: It's very minor. When you are using [00:08:01] a dropper it is immediately into your eye. It's not like you are going to get any kind of – you won't develop a burn, you won't develop anything like that. But you

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have to be careful if you have eye trouble and you have been using contacts and contact solution and all that kind of stuff, because in that case I don't have any experience, and so you are doing to have to maybe half the dosage or quarter the dosage and start out very, very gently, [00:08:25] because I just don't know what the effect is when somebody has been using contact solution for 20 years you know what the surface of their eye, what the state of health is of their eye.

Lucien: Okay. And just to sort of reiterate what David said, if you are planning on using DMSO, please do some extensive research and if possible consult someone who has used it directly.

Avocado: Right. And definitely with DMSO – this is very important – you have got to use a very [00:08:50] minimal amount in any of the delicate areas of your body, because DMSO can burn you. And you know pouring a whole bottle on your eye is actually very dangerous and extremely toxic. It would be like pouring hydrogen peroxide in your eye. It's just not the way to go. You have to be very careful. Don't do anything unless you feel that you have the skills and abilities to deal with the material, and in this case DMSO requires some study and research before [00:09:15] you use it.

Lucien: Okay.

Dear Avocado, I feel that when I only eat vegetarian food I feel like there is something missing. I think that is the omega-3 fatty acids that I can get from fish. I simply feel that when I get them in my diet that my brain works better, I can relax more and feel less anxiety. This is why I am a bit confused, because I have read a bit of what David has written in that human beings were not designed to eat animal foods.

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If that is [00:09:42] true, why can we not get these fatty acids easily from plant food?

Avocado: Good question. You can get them easily from plant food, if it's the right plant food. Here is a good example of that: coco leaf. Coco leaf contains omega-3 fatty acids, which is easily available in South America but not here. Right? So it depends on where you are coming from. Not only that, the omega-3s that are in for example hempseed and flaxseed may not be the types of omega-3s, [00:10:13] the long-chain omega-3 that we need. And it may be that we were historically—

Well actually it depends on your theory of human origins, really, which is there are different theories that are out there, and I'm not going to get into my own theory, but definitely I don't believe in the Darwinian theory. I also don't believe in the creation theory and that we were created 5,000 years. I believe it is going to be some kind [00:10:32] of a mixture of those with some very exotic stuff happening as well. And therefore, you know, how did we get here? Well, it's part design and it's part genetics and you know the survival of the fittest so to speak or the survival through cooperation, and that that has kind of led us to where we are now.

So is it possible that some people need more omega-3 than others? And the answer is yes. And is it possible that some people would need more fish in their diet [00:11:06] as a result of that, and the answer is yes. Is it possible then that some people could be vegetarians easier than others? And the answer is yes. Because it's not exactly a clean situation. You know, like all our genetic history added up probably is not the same from culture to culture and therefore there is going to be some predispositions for certain things in different cultures and omega-3 long chain can be acquired from

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more sustainable sources [00:11:39] – for example marine phytoplankton – rather than having to fish out our oceans of cod for example. And so that's where we're at right now is we're looking for more sustainable, more ethically correct solutions so that we are not, we are doing less killing and we are getting more into growing – which would be like growing plants more and less killing.

And that's just an ethical consideration that I have. You know, it may not be your consideration. You may not care. You [00:12:06] may go, "Well, look, I'm designed to eat a fish. Who cares?" And that's completely valid. I just feel like my role is to create ethical choices and options that – for people who are vegetarians or are vegans and like, "Hey, I need my omega-3. How do I get it from a vegetarian source?" That's my work is how to deliver that. And the way you can get those long-chain omega-3 fatty acids from a plant is marine phytoplankton, [00:12:29] bluegreen algae, algae oils that have been concentrated and have those oils taken out of it, and that may make a vegetarian diet easier for you or a raw vegetarian diet easier for you.

Now if you do eat raw fish, that's fine. Animals in nature eat raw fish all the time. Bears eat it, Sasquatch eats it, but you could then be susceptible to other things, which is tapeworms. And that needs to be addressed too, you know. People say, "You can't get [00:12:56] a parasite if you are a raw foodist," and "You can't get a parasite if you're clean." That's completely ridiculous. I mean, most of the animals in nature are completely pure, they've eaten a raw food diet their entire life and all their genetic history and they have parasites. I mean I get that all the time, like, "No. I'm clean," you know, "I don't have any parasites." And it's like, "Well, what do you mean?" I mean, it doesn't matter. [00:13:13] You could be totally having the cleanest diet possible, but if you are eating raw

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fish there are tapeworm eggs in fish. It's part of the life cycle of the tapeworm. And therefore we then have to be cognizant of all the karmic ramifications of our choices.

So I'm a little bit you know diatribing on the vegetarian ethic, and it's an important part of the ethics that I believe need to be brought to the table, because almost every other nutritionist [00:13:39] is going to be telling you, "No, no, no, you need to eat meat" or fish or whatever, and it's like no, there are other choices than that, and we can cleverly select them if we are knowledgeable.

Lucien: Okay. Awesome.

Dear Avocado, Over time I have lived an excessive and sexually exhaustive lifestyle. I have tried numerous foods, superfoods and herbs that I believe are supposed to stimulate, build and/or promote strong male sexual energy like [00:14:07] garlic, Siberian ginseng, maca, cacao, cordyceps, deer antler, astragalus, eucommia bark and cistanches. I have learned to stay away from those most of the time, although I love garlic, cacao and maca. I would to be able to eat them. What I find when taking any of the abovementioned items is that it has a significantly noticeable opposite effect on my sexual function. The same thing occurs when I take any skin, hair, nail or joint products [00:14:32] like MSM, glucosamine and chondroitin or ho sho wu [he shou wu]. Can you explain why this might be happening and offer any possible solutions?

Avocado: That's interesting. I mean, that's one of the archetypical – it's one of the archetypical metabolisms. Although rare, it is there. And that is he is a polarizer. So what a polarizer is, is someone who gets the exact opposite effect from everybody else with whatever –

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you know, whether it's ginseng [00:15:03] or eucommia bark or cistanches or whatever it is. And this is just – it's just an archetypical metabolic type. And that's all I can say about it. I mean, what that means is that this person has a very unique biology and metabolism and it's probably what led them to TheBestDayEver is that their metabolism is very different from everybody else's because they polarized. Their body actually has the exactly opposite reaction to everything they are taking in; they are an [00:15:33] energetic polarizer.

Now it would be interesting to meet this person, and so if you are listening right now and you are that person and you get a chance to come to the Best Weekend Ever or some event that we are doing somewhere, I would love to meet you, because that type of person to me is an interesting type of person to study.

Lucien: And I wonder if it extends beyond just those foods that are meant to enhance sexual function and to other things?

Avocado: Well, [00:15:58] archetypically it should. It would across the board in everything. Things that would make everybody else alkaline would make this person acidic. Things that would make that person acidic would make everybody else alkaline. You know, it's that kind of phenomenon. And it may even carry over into personality traits, and that's kind of why I am interested to meet this person. It may carry over into personality traits or just their behavior, and it would just [00:16:20] be good to find out a little bit about them, because that to me is an interesting phenomenon.

Lucien: Okay. Fantastic.

Dear Avocado, What do you think about submitting to

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a TB skin test? Is it anything like getting a vaccination? I had one recently and got sort of a weird false positive reaction. Or possibly it was positive. I am actually very healthy. Would you recommend that I get a chest X-ray? I am supposed to attend [00:16:40] a birth soon and the mother is uncomfortable about my test result and would like to be reassured that I am TB-negative. What do you have to say about any of this? Thank you.

Avocado: It's beyond my scope of expertise. I really couldn't answer that question. I don't really know a lot about TB, because it's essentially an illness that has kind of passed us in terms of its dangerous chronicness and what's the word I'm looking for? It's virulence. And [00:17:13] so I have looked into tuberculosis you know from a historical perspective, but never have gotten into the specific tests that are available now or any of the real minutia about it. So I would really recommend that this person continue to do research and maybe even contact The Tree of Life and see what they have to say, because they could probably give a much better answer than I could on that subject.

Lucien: Dear David, What are the best herbs and superfoods [00:17:39] to increase fertility in older women? Thank you so much.

Avocado: Number one for fertility is maca, without question. That is the number one thing. I have just got to put this in there because it comes up a lot. I am getting more and more women who want to become pregnant. Definitely doing a cleanse, intestinal cleansing, doing lots of zeolites for about 6 months before becoming pregnant, the liquid zeolites; doing an MSM program to remove heavy metals and [00:18:06] to get the liver functioning properly is at this point I think it's critical. It's absolutely critical, because kids are being born with such a compromised immune system, compromised immune response so that we are getting

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autoimmune conditions from birth now and allergies like crazy, and asthma, all this kind of stuff is higher now than ever because of the load of heavy metals and pesticides and volatile organic compounds the kids are born with now.

We [00:18:35] used to believe that the mother detoxified the chemicals for the baby, and we have now found out that that is not true; that the pesticides and the load that the mother is carrying is carried into the child and that this is the reason why kids are born with all these disorders now – like the explosion in autism, you know, etc., etc., with the allergies and asthma and peanut allergies. We know exactly how much different it is now than it was [00:18:57] 30 years ago. And childhood cancer, etc.

The next thing I would say beyond maca is bee pollen of course is super-associated with fertility, and then going beyond that cacao is actually very good as well as coconut products. Coconut products are excellent – I mean excellent across the board for pregnancy, carrying a child to term, producing good breast milk, everything. And beyond that there is a whole list of, there is a whole enormous [00:19:32] amount of research on goji berries in terms of producing a healthy child, increasing fertility, increasing sex drive and then after the child is born when the child is able to consume food goji berries are one of the best foods for that child because it has growth factors in it to help that child grow healthily and vigorously. And that's another one that goes high on the list.

Beyond that, I would recommend that foods like hempseed, superfoods like hempseed [00:20:03] and kelp – just because of the mineral content of the kelp, and then hempseed because it's such a rounded superfood with the protein, the essential fatty acids and the mineral content. So overall between all of

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those things that's a really great starting point. Any one of those things would be powerful. All of them together is a really good formula.

Lucien: Okay. [00:20:23] Fantastic.

Dear Avocado, Am I the only person to ever gain weight while fasting. I am now on day 32 of a 40-day fast and I have been losing weight the whole time until I started including a few tablespoons of raw fat-based salad dressing each day. I started a few days ago and I am amazed to discover that I have now gained 2 lbs. since last week when I weighed myself at the gym. How can this be? It is such a small amount. I hardly drink [00:20:51] much at all this whole fast. What is up with my body? What does this mean?

This is Ginger from TheBestDayEver, and I know her very well. She is a Kapha body type and she does a lot of fasting.

Avocado: Yeah. Well, Kapha body type is someone who has a natural affinity for a high subcutaneous fat layer. It's just the natural way that their body is constructed. The way you would alleviate that, the way you work against that if you really [00:21:13] don't like that look for yourself is you do those things that essentially increase Pitta and Vata and drive the Kapha out. One of those things is vigorous activity. Kaphas tend to be people who sit around a lot and kind of don't like, you know, go running around. They aren't like people who go out and just go jump up in the morning and go jogging.

So if you are a Kapha body and you really want to start driving that away, a real good idea is to kind [00:21:41] of force yourself to get into, get into exercise. And that's one of the key factors.

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Another is that Kaphas tend to hold onto fat – or even sugars and starches – and put weight gain on a lot easier than say a Pitta metabolism and/or a Vata metabolism. So the odds are kind of stacked against you when you know consume these rich raw foods, whether you know it's a raw fat – whatever this person is doing, maybe coconut oil, or whatever is [00:22:10] causing the weight gain – the odds are stacked against you if you are a Kapha body type because it's a little more difficult to lose the weight, and it's a lot easier to gain the weight.

What else can I say about Kapha metabolism? Well, one of the positive things is that Kaphas are really good swimmers, and would be a really good idea to use swimming as your primary exercise routine, because there is a natural affinity between Kapha body types [00:22:35] and swimming, and overall swimming is probably the best exercise. And in general if you are a Kapha body type it is definitely the best exercise for you.

Pitta is aggravated by real spicy things, but Kapha can be really – real spicy things like cayenne can activate Pitta [sic; Kapha?] to burn fat, and that's an important thing too, is ginger, spices, onions, garlic can active Kapha [sic; Pitta?] to burn fat, and that is something to consider as well. I could probably go on about this, but I think that about gives a little bit of a start.

Lucien: I wanted to keep going because I'm Kapha body type.

Avocado: Oh, you're a Kapha type. All right. There's probably people listening right now, because a third of the people are Kapha body types, so hey, you know, we've got to find out more about that.

Kapha body types do very well with ashwagandha. That is a very good [00:23:21] herb for Kapha body

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types. Generally the major thing that will throw a Kapha body type into lethargy is eating fat straight. So fat should never be eaten by itself, like eating nuts by itself. The best way to do that is to mix it with vegetables. Because Kaphas can't get away with it as easily. Probably Vatas can get away with it more than Kaphas can, and Pittas have to be careful with eating fat straight [00:23:49] because it can aggravate them. It can actually get them too like fiery, you know too inflamed.

But eating fat with vegetables, always using vegetables as the mediator is a really good thing for Kaphas. Kaphas generally also hold water, and Kaphas have to be a little bit careful with salt, because they can hold salt, they can hold water and hold moisture on. And if you are fasting for example a good to do if you are a Kapha is to fast away from salt and just see how [00:24:19] you feel.

Now you have to be rational about that. If it's the summertime, salt can be very cooling. If you can't hydrate yourself salt can help you to hydrate. But there is definitely is a relationship there between salt and Kapha.

Kapha does really well with cucumbers. Ideal food for a Kapha body type is cucumbers. Activates kidneys, helps to burn off fat, it's filling but non-caloric. That's really the key thing with Kapha. Kapha likes to be [00:24:48] filled up, but you know then, if they start eating anything it goes on as fat. So it's like what do you fill yourself up with? Well, you start filling yourself up with vegetables. Then there is a problem with that digestive fire, because Kaphas generally don't have that fire like a Pitta will have. And you know vegetables require that fire because there is so much fiber. Well then you've got to move to those non-sweet fruits that really can fill up like cucumber [00:25:13]

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but don't have – okra is also very good – but don't have the fat.

Lucien: Would you say that Kaphas have to pay particular attention to the taste of the food that they eat as well?

Avocado: Yeah, I would say that. I would definitely say that Kaphas have to pay attention to the taste of food. You know what's another really good food for Kaphas just on that subject of taste is schizandra berries. That's a dynamite food for Kaphas, especially schizandra tea, because [00:25:39] Kaphas tend towards liver stagnation or kidney stagnation. And probably the best herb in the world for activating both those things is schizandra berry.

Lucien: One question I wanted to ask you about that body type would be – you mentioned before about how certain people burn proteins, carbs or sugars as their – I'm sorry, protein, carbs or fats – as their primary source of fuel. Is that across the board for the body types like Vata, Pitta, Kapha, like they [00:26:08] burn a certain one for fuel? Or does each type also have those three possibilities?

Avocado: Each type has all three possibilities, but we can make generalizations, and with Kapha, the Kaphas are generally fish eaters, which would mean that they can't really handle a real high amount of fat. They have to have a little bit more protein in the ratio. So a good fat [sic; fat/protein ratio] for Kapha is actually hempseed. It's ideal, because it has that same ratio of protein and fat as fish has. So that protein element is non-fattening in general – this is a generalization – for Kapha body types.

Not everybody is completely one thing by the way. You know, like I'm like a Pitta-Kapha. Yeah, I have Kapha tendencies and I have to be – I have to be aware that

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every day I've got get out and exercise. I've got to do some kind of exercise or else I aggravate that Kapha, and you know, you're the same [00:27:08] way. It's important for Kaphas to know that also, you know, it's much easier for Kaphas to put on weight than a Pitta, a true Pitta or a true Vata. So you know therefore Kaphas actually have the easiest time with raw food, because they can hold that weight on easier.

And oh, I was just thinking. Here is the thing about Kapha. This is what my thought was. The Mucusless Diet Healing System is a really good [book] for [00:27:34] Kapha body types, because the excess of Kapha is mucus. And so like for example dairy products and a Kapha metabolism is a real bad combo. Because it just goes right on as fat, and it boom, it just layers on really fast. And so Kapha body types will just take dairy products and convert it to fat you know faster than you can blink an eye.

And Kapha body types are like ideal for raw food, and still even if [00:27:57] you are a raw foodist and you are a Kapha, you just have to be a little bit careful about overeating the fat. It's really important to eat the fat with vegetables, and you have to be very careful also about having like say too many mangoes or too many of those real great tropical sweet fruits. Because you would that you, you know, you would go burn through that, but Kaphas don't. Kaphas will sit on that and then they will sit like a monkey and just like hold onto [00:28:24] all that juice and will gain weight from something as simple as eating three mangoes a day or four mangoes a day.

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