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INTERVIEWWITH:

David "Avocado"Wolfe

INTERVIEWER: Lucien GauthierDATE: April 2010

April 2010 Interview Part 1

David: Fire away.

Lucien: All right. Let's do it. Hello everyone. This is LucienGauthier. I am here with David "Avocado" Wolfe. We aredoing the April interview and this is our springtimeinterview. This is a perfect time to ask Avocado aboutgardening and about some of the things he is doingworking with the Earth, in the Earth, hands in the Earth,hands-on experience working with plants and seeds andall that good stuff. So David, [00:00:31] how are youdoing this month?

David: We are having a very early spring up here in Ontario, andit's just been awesome because we've been out all daygardening, and essentially there are no bugs out there.So we are getting like a late fall or early fall kind ofweather, warm but no bugs. So you know I am able to eatstuff out of the garden. Under all that snow that hadmelted down there was a lot of action going on. I meanthere is a lot of stuff springing out [00:01:00] right now.

So I had a salad the other day that was all wild foods, andI was amazed. There is tons of food to eat.

Lucien: That's amazing. And let's talk about gardening a little bit.Just you know when we talk about overall health, we talkabout longevity, we talk about connecting ourselves with


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the Earth, with the food that we eat, we can't overlookgardening. Gardening is a huge part of longevity, and ifyou look at people who are really into gardening, anyonewho is really into gardening and anyone who works with

plants, works [00:01:28] with the soil, has their hands inthe Earth, these people are generally healthier, they livelonger lives, emotionally more balanced. What kind ofconnections can you put in people's minds betweengardening, getting connected to the Earth, hands in thesoil and longevity health and even things like overallemotional well-being?

David: There are so many connections I think it's an absolutelynecessity that if you live in a city that you have a plan

[00:01:59] to get out of that city at least occasionally,and maybe get a farmhouse you know way out thewoods. And one of the things that's great aboutfarmhouses way out in the woods is that nobody wantsthem anymore. They are trying to get rid of them. So youmight get really lucky with a really good deal. Save upyour money and get a place outside the city that you caneventually retire to or get away to during the weekendswhen you have a chance. [00:02:18] The connection with

gardening and longevity is probably the fundamentalconnection, because being out there today like I was,barefoot and barehanded in the soil and you know justconnecting with that rebirth of springtime and all thatstuff that's coming up, it was just amazing. I just felt sogood in the last couple days.

And then on Monday, a couple days ago, it was a veryinteresting kind of rough day. It was a very wild andtumultuous day, and then I [00:02:50] just, at the end ofthe day thought, "Okay. Tomorrow is going to be the bestday ever." Boom, sunny skies, gardened all day, samething today, two days in a row. It just felt like literally thebest ever.

Longevity-wise I mean, you know I was just in Bali and I

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got to see people who were 70, 75, who were barefoottheir whole life, gardened, who basically have a little fruitforest in their one-acre plot or two-acre plot, and they are

just so happy, [00:03:20] and they are totally amazingly

ripped. Like they are like muscular and a just beautifulphysique, amazing. People in their seventies. I mean Isaw a guy, 71, who just looked like he was ripped. Imean, he had a ripped stomach. People were just flippingout. They could not believe this guy's age. And there hewas, he was barefoot. So you know that connection there.

We know you know from the research that hardenedcriminals, people who have you know committed[00:03:47] atrocious crimes in their life do a lot better

psychologically and emotionally when they have theopportunity to garden. We know that juvenile delinquentsimprove their behavior when they have a chance to puttheir hands in the soil. Through our Fruit Tree PlantingFoundation we have been taking people at drugrehabilitation centers who don't want to move off thecouch all they are doing is smoking cigarettes anddrinking coffee, they don't want to move [00:04:11] offthe couch, and as soon as we get to planting they get so

into it and they are having so much fun they actuallydon't want us to leave. And we've had that experience, sothat's always really awesome and insightful.

And then you know the selection of what you aregrowing. I'm kind of a wild food gardener. I really preferto eat some of the wild things that are in the garden. Ilike the stuff that I've planted that comes back each year,and [00:04:33] this year was a banner year because I hadfour lavenders that survived the winter up here. I'vespent three years trying to get a lavender variety that willsurvive the winter up here, and it looks like hit it thistime. That's really exciting. And those little, you know,those little triumphs, they do a lot for you at a very deeplevel, because our connection with gardening andplanting is a very deep one and our connection with

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farming is probably the most ancient [00:04:59] practicewe have on this Earth. So you know it relives all thatinside your in your biology you get to kind of reconnectto what your ancestors were up to. It's very calming, it's

very relaxing. It's absolutely to me like the greatest joy. Imean I couldn't think of anything I would rather be doingthan being in my garden.

Lucien: And so Dave, we have the actual sort of activity ofgardening which is the mental-emotional connection tothe [00:05:25] Earth, we have, we have the connectionbetween our skin and the Earth, the soil and our hands.

The food that we eat. You know, when I grew up we had,my mother had a garden. We had tomatoes, we had

cucumber, we had what else did we have? We hadzucchini. Zucchini was the big one. Actually I was forcedby my father to go out in the neighborhood and sellzucchinis for 25 in the neighborhood. I remember this asclear as day. [00:05:48] It was utterly embarrassing to goout to the different neighbors and try to sell my zucchinis.Because he was really business-minded and my motherwas really gardening-minded, and so she would have usmake all these amazing things, and planting rows and

doing all the amazing gardening stuff, and then he wouldhave us sell it trying to make a buck.

What I remember most is the actual food that we ate,when we actually had it in the kitchen making our salads,[00:06:14] when we ate that food I never felt better thanwhen I put that food in my body. I didn't realize it at thetime, but sort of planting your own food, growing yourown food, that is where we are trying to go. Correct?

David: Absolutely. And we supplement our diet with foods thatwe obtain wildly. Now because we are speaking to ourgroup, you know, which is TheBestDayEver.commembers, I really want to emphasize this point is that[00:06:41] you, just for your own emotional well-being,you do want to begin to look deeply into this idea of

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getting outside of a city, getting near a forest where youcan do that, where you can supplement your diet withwild food, grow a garden and become sustainable. Andsee what that's like, and see what it is like to actually be

sustainable on this Earth, which is you know, we are amillion miles from a sustainable reality.

And I [00:07:06] want to mention this, Lou. This has beenan interesting rant this week for me. Really like aninteresting thoughtform came through this week, andthat is, you know, we are insulated inside a bubble of thefake and the phony. That is the nature of our technology,it's what we have been dealing with our whole lives. Butwhat is interesting about the Internet is it's allowing us to

penetrate through into something genuine, authentic,pure and real. And that's really [00:07:40] what I believe

TheBestDayEver is: it's like it's a puncture hole rightthrough that bubble of the fake and the phony that allowspeople to actually get through into a portal of what isauthentic and what is real.

And ultimately that idea is the idea behind the movieAvatar. Right? Because one of the fundamental questions

of this movie and regardless of what we think about it,this is the biggest movie of all time in all of history.[00:08:09]

Lucien: Yep.

David: Bigger than Star Wars, bigger than ET, bigger than whatwas that? Ghost you know, bigger than any of this stuff.And what a mes-, the big message ofAvataris: can ourself-same technology that got us into this mess, can it beutilized to actually allow us to penetrate through intosomething that is authentic and real? Can we penetrateout of our crippled reality and get into [00:08:36]something that is natural? And ultimately the message ofthat movie is not only can we but it's an absolute rebirthto do so.

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Lucien: And this brings up a really interesting point. I was tryingto formulate this in my mind before the interview tonightbut I think you just said it spectacularly, which is the way

our society is moving and the technological advancesthat we find ourselves in the middle of, it seems from onepoint of view that it is taking us away from nature,[00:09:04] it's taking us away from what the authentic is,taking us away from what is real. But actually, we canactually use that to get us back into what is real, what isauthentic and what is natural because ultimately theonly way we are going to have health and longevity is bygetting back to what is natural. And that is natural foods,natural substances, away from drugs, away from all those

things.

But it's a very interesting conversation to have, because[00:09:29] we are not well, let me phrase it like this: Doyou think that the way that we are moving in society isgoing back to let's say an agrarian society that is devoidof technology or is technology still going to increase,improve, develop, but within that we are going to have tofind a way, a clever method to get back to what is natural

within that sort of development?

David: I guess I am seeing a bifurcation. You know, it's the besttime ever, [00:09:57] it's the worst time ever. We areseeing, you know, tremendous explosion of technologywhere you know there will be Right now listen to this in December of 1992 the very first text message wassent. Today, this day today, this very day that you arelistening to this right now more text messages weresent on this Earth than the population of the Earth.

We are moving very quickly to a time when there will beso much cell phone technology [00:10:29] out there andwe are already almost there that it will almost bethrowaway. You will have cell phone technology that willtell you where the nearest wild foods are, you will have

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cell phone technology that will tell you where the neareststore is, you will have cell phone technology to tell youwhere this city is and just guide you right there. And Imean it's going to be so replicate-able that it will

probably be sold to us in the way that plastic bottles[00:10:51] are sold to us, "Oh, just throw it away." So wehave that on one side.

On the other side, what this technology is doing for us itis allowing us to be wherever we want to be, doingwhatever we want to do, while participating in the city-like economy of what used to exist maybe 100 years agoor 200 years ago in cities where you would have lots offriends, lots of connections, lots of opportunities, you

know, lots of social possibilities. [00:11:19] I mean all thiskind of stuff now is boom, it's been delivered to us on theInternet. We could in a farmhouse in the middle of Maineand access all of it. Therefore we don't actually need tobe in cities anymore. We can do it all from wherever wecan get a Wi-Fi connection or cell phone reception, andthat to me is very interesting and very promising especially as we develop more and more technology toshield ourselves from the dangers [00:11:42] of cell

phones and Wi-Fi and all of that of which the groundingtechnology is a great example.

Lucien: And I think you are a great example, David, at how youcombine living naturally, living wholistically, eating raw,natural living foods and not being a quote "Luddite,"rejecting technology, rejecting some of the things that weknow we need to actually work and function in today'ssociety. Because there [00:12:10] are a lot of people thatsay, "Look. I'm going to give up all of this technology stuffand I am just going to move to a farm in the countryside."And that's great.

And what you are doing is slightly different. You are kindof finding a middle way between the two extremes andyou are taking the best of both worlds and using it to

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promote health and longevity.

David: That's what I love to do, and I tell you, what I have beenable [00:12:29] to do in my career was never possible

before the cell phone age, before the Wi-Fi age, beforethe Internet age. Like I have actually been answeringemails while driving around Iceland, you know, runningseveral businesses while you know getting ready to jumpin a hot springs in Iceland. I mean, you know, in themiddle of nowhere. It's totally outrageous. And I've beendoing that for years, so you know definitely my life hasbeen a very strong example of what [00:12:59] can bedone with technology so you can have your cherimoyaand eat it too and get both, you know, all the good stuff.

Now you know as I'm speaking right now I'm actuallyreaching underneath my bed and grabbing my groundedsheet just to protect myself from the call and the phone.It is always interesting to be reminded at all theresources that we do have at our disposal and use themto our advantage.

Lucien: And that leads into the next question, which is on the

heels, [00:13:30] we're coming right off of the heels ofthe Longevity Conference. One of the really bigbreakthrough type of technologies and pieces ofinformation that we were exposed to was that ofgrounding. And it seems that you know going over whatyou had said during the conference, that you know youspent years and years teaching people how to drinkwheatgrass and do you know do wheatgrass shots and all[00:13:52] these other things that are really hard. Theone thing that we really needed, the one thing that wehad to have, was something dead easy, connecting us tothe Earth, and that brings us to grounding.

And I would also like to open up to any, any otheravenues that you sort of see as developmental in termsof where we are going in longevity and health coming out

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of the longevity conference. What are some of the thingsthat sort of the doors that you saw opening up during[00:14:17] that conference and where things areheading?

David: Well, I'm definitely feeling like this grounding technologyis kind of the big news. Not only out of that conference,but it's the big news of the next decade, withoutquestion, and it is the easiest technology ever for health by far. And I know for sure that that handed right into mylap because I literally attempted to do the impossible,which is get people to you know do wheatgrass[00:14:47] enemas which is you know next toimpossible if you really think about it. When you go out

into the world as I did for so many years and you knowliterally promoting raw foods and superfoods, you knowmost people would rather eat burgers and say forgetabout it, let's go see a movie. So I know that that thatthere is some kind of a connection there that is veryinteresting.

Beyond that what I took out of that conference is there is[00:15:10] definitely an aligning of forces in the natural

health world with Paul Stamets, Dr. Mercola, myself, all,you know all our whole team, Jason Wrobel, Solla Ericks[spelling?] from Iceland and all the folks who weremaking food, and just that whole group Ian Clark, Dr.Stewart Blaikie. We are all on the same page. We are allcoming to the same conclusions and we are on the samepage. And that is very promising, because step-by-stepas more [00:15:39] doctors step onboard, morenaturopaths step on board, more health advocates steponboard, more fitness experts step onboard, we are goingto present a wall, a force that is so powerful to thegeneral public that it's irresistible. It's like, you know, it'snot arguable so all of a sudden people just go, "Okay,that's what I've got to do. And then those people who dotake action will get the results faster than anyone elsebefore has ever gotten results [00:16:06] because we

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are putting it all together: the vitamin B12 piece, thevitamin D3 piece, the raw foods, the superfoods, thesuperherbs, the living spring water, the overall cuisine the sophistication of the flavors, what's happening with

chocolate and just all of it is coming together andeverybody is on the same page.

Lucien: It was really remarkable to see all these alliances forged.Like you say Dr. Mercola. Some of the people [00:16:30]have not been there before, like Paul Stamets, and this istheir first time venturing into the foray of our audience ofraw and living foods and the superfoods and thesuperherbs, which is a piece of the puzzle that wasmissing I think for some of the other people. We kind of

brought it all together. And some of the pieces that weremissing for us, like you say, the vitamin D3 and thingslike that, all the pieces that were missing for everyonewere kind of [00:16:55] brought together in one group inone weekend, and now these alliances have been forgedand we, we have really developed, like you say, anoverwhelming health protocol that people really theyare going to get so many results so fast, so quick it'sgoing to be inarguable.

David: It is coming to that very quickly, because the Internetallows it. The Internet allows us to cross-reference data ina way that was never possible before. As MarshallMcLuhan [00:17:23] said, you know, "The only job of thefuture is information gathering." Well that informationhas now been gathered, and some startling results havebeen reported and some startling strategies havepresented themselves and, you know, where you are at,I'm at, the crew on TheBestDayEver, Dr. Mercola and histeam, Paul Stamets, everybody is like, "Okay. This is whatwe are doing now."

So we all benefited [00:17:50] from each other. We aredefinitely moving forward with a much stronger alliance,and I see you know great things for the future of health in

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the world. Of course there is going to be the other side.Which you know, they are heading off, you know, off theside of a cliff, but on the other side you know we have gota pretty strong picture.

Another thing that is coming up quite a bit and probablypeople are thinking about who are listening right now isthe whole [00:18:13] vegetarian-carnivore bit. Like,"Should we be eating raw meat? Should we be eatingdairy? Should we be a vegetarian? Should we be vegan?"Ultimately this is a question that we have to decideindividually. There are ways to do all of that healthfully.And that thing is coming to an interesting alliance as well,where the carnivores are coming over to support the

vegetarians, and the vegetarians are coming over tosupport the carnivores and we are starting [00:18:45] toget an alliance that we have never had before betweenthose worlds. And that is pretty darn amazing as well.

Lucien: And just to conclude this first segment of the interview,let's just address something to the people who maybehave joined TheBestDayEver from whatever affiliation orconnection that they have had and they are in a position

that they are working a regular 9 to 5 job or they areworking at home, they grew up on you know processedfood, fruit loops, [00:19:14] milk, regular stuff, and theyfound their way into the site and they are thinking,"Okay. I am exposed now to an overwhelming amount ofinformation that is way beyond what I am capable of.Where the heck do I start? What do I do? Give me somesimple, easy steps on how to begin." What do you say tothose people?

David: #1 step is start shopping organic. Right? And most of this it's just like, it's just like success information. Most[00:19:42] of it is just going right over the head, and youknow we are not making sense of it yet. We willeventually. Just like we learn anything, we have got tostart somewhere. And so we are at the you know

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graduate level course of health, sciences and nutritionand all that. So what we want to do is we, boom, we gointo an organic health food store.

#2 we throw away all our supplements. [00:20:03]Actually we throw it into our garden, all our supplementsthat contain calcium carbonate, calcium citrate, calciummalate, calcium fructoborate, calcium pantothenate, allof them that the calcium has been dug up out of theEarth that when we eat it causes us to become calcified,age quickly, develop chronic inflammation and retirefrom this world early. So you know we get rid of that.

That's step 1 [00:20:22] and 2.

Step #3 get on the right kind of water. And we have gotto figure that out for ourselves, but you know, it's just amission. Like you just take it on. It's like, "Okay. Now I'vegot to get my water situation figured out." Anybody cando it. And you can start wherever you want. Let's say youare in Los Angeles. Boom, get connected with the peoplewho are going up to the Tummy [correct word?; Belly?]Ache Springs up in Ojai and start to get some water fromthat spring. Maybe [00:20:47] you want to go up to

Palomar Mountain, you know, south of Los Angeles andget your water from the spring up at the top there.Maybe you just want to get the water that you aredrinking to another higher level but you can't get to aspring right now because it's just too much, boom, getbottled water in glass from sacred springs somewhere.

There is plenty of that kind of stuff available in all majorcities all over the world. Just as you can find fine wine inany [00:21:13] city all over the world you can also findfine water, spring water that is already bottled in glass foryou. So working your way off the plastic is kind of what Iam alluding to. That's another step.

Here's another step, is getting in to the mindset of theadd-on. This is just all an add-on. There is no like, "Youhave to do this or that" or whatever. There is no, "Get rid

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of that," it's just, "Here, add this in. Try that out."[00:21:39] Step-by-step, one-by-one by adding in thegood stuff it gradually crowds out the bad stuff and westart to develop momentum.

One more thing I want to say is also developing amomentum in the sense of watching very meticulouslyfor how peer pressure is affecting your health choices.Start to observe that in your life so you see certainpeople who will cause you to behave in certain ways, youknow, and do things you regret later. And I had that ofcourse in my life, [00:22:12] and early on I actually had tolet some friends go because their behavior was causingme to conduct poor behaviors and then I had to

eventually say, "Okay, that's it." Even though these weregreat friends of mine. I still you know love them to thisday and I miss them, I had to at some point say, "Thatlifestyle is not for me. It is not conducive to beinghealthy." So that's another piece, the relationship piece.

Lucien: That's [00:22:35] very interesting, and really to the waterpiece you know we support Daniel Vitalis and what he isdoing with Findaspring.com, and that is something I just

brought up on my computer actually to see how that hasbeen developing, and that site, the amount of pinpricksthat have been put on the map since about six monthsago, has literally gone up 1000%. There are hundredsmore pinpricks [00:22:58] on that map in the last couplemonths than I have seen since I last checked. It'sunbelievable.

And the great about the, like you say, the Internet andthe Information Age, is that now that we are onto whereto get the spring water, where to get the fresh water,where to get the clean water, where to get the actualgood mineralized water, it is all being put by people whoare checking it out for themselves, going online and just[00:23:23] sticking that pinprick on the map. And it'sthere right now. So you can find it. There is no reason

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anywhere in the United States now. I can see justhundreds of them now on that site. It's amazing.

David: That is a really important resource, Findaspring.com, for

all of us, because we have been saying this over andover, Lou, but you know it's true, it's getting easieractually for everybody. That is something to considertoo, is that it isn't actually overwhelming. It's actually alittle be underwhelming. It has become easier and easierand easier to actually get access to the real core crucialhealth information and take action on it. It has neverbeen as easy as it is right now. You have got the supportacross the Internet.

Now Facebook listen to this statistic: Facebook is nowthe 4th largest country in the world.

Lucien: Wow.

David: So imagine being able to connect with all [00:24:16]those friends on Facebook, all that support, find out whateverybody is doing. You know, you friend somebody onFacebook, you find out what is going on, you find out how

they are doing with their raw food. I am thinking of myfriend Teresa Jordan in Los Angeles. She puts somethingon Facebook five, six times a day about her raw food lifethere, and it's really valuable for people who are brandnew especially people [00:24:37] who are in her agecategory, you know, who are maybe in that zone, maybe45 to 50, women, you know 45 to 50 years old womenwho are in that zone where like, "I've got to make a majorchange," and boom, there is Teresa just guiding the waystep-by-step-by-step on how you do it, moment-to-moment, right through Facebook. Unbelievable.


Lucien: Now we are going to move into the segment of theinterview where we answer people's questions on the

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Forums, and this is a pivotal part of TheBestDayEver.com.When you sign up to TheBestDayEver.com you aregetting access to all the cutting edge information fromDavid Wolfe, Truth Calkins, we've got George Lamoureux

on the Jing herbs, we have got Camille Goji Girl, who hasbeen with David Wolfe for many, many years [00:00:32]helping with women's health issues. We have got such anamazing amount of information, such amazing expertswho are answering your questions. We have an amazingcommunity. We have Forums, we have all sorts ofamazing stuff. This is what you pay for when you join

TheBestDayEver.com and David is taking the time out ofhis you know amazingly busy schedule to answer yourquestions on the Forum that you post so that you can get

personalized answers to your [00:00:58] questions.Hopefully there are other people out there listening thatyou know can really benefit from this information as well,friends and family.

So here we are going to tackle the really amazingquestions. I mean we are always blown away. I rememberlistening to an interview from one of the early ones of youand Len, Dave, and Len was saying in the interview, and

in the interview itself he said, you know and I think itwas the first or the second [00:01:19] ones you guys hadever done for TheBestDay.com, he said, you know, "Whatare we going to do when we run out of questions? Whatare we going to do? There is like only so much you canask related to raw food." And in your answer you said,"There will be plenty of questions. Don't worry, Len," andto this day, 8 years later, there is an unending amount ofquestions and there are infinite answers.

So here we go. We are kicking off the second part of the[00:01:43] interview. This first question is related tolemons:

Dear David, I really resonate with your suggestion in theFebruary interview to ingest large amounts of lemon juice

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for liver cleansing, but I am gradually shifting my diettowards more native and wild foods and living BritishColumbia, Canada. Lemons are definitely not a nativespecies. Is there anything that would be analogous to

lemons not just in liver cleansing effects but [00:02:09] interms of flavor and energetics as well that is native toCanada?

David: That is such a good question. I was thinking that theother day, because I've been thinking to myself and I wasthinking the exact same thought. And the answer isvinegar. That's your that's your apple cider vinegarwould be your reasonable corollary to lemon. So youwould, you know, for example collect your apples in the

late summer, early fall, you would process them downand [00:02:43] let them break down into vinegar, andthen you would keep that vinegar right through thewinter, and then that's like kind of a tonic that you kind ofingest here, there and everywhere, and it's got the aceticacid as opposed to the citric acid and it has the short-chain fatty acids which are antifungal and antiviral andhave some interesting properties, and it has a hydrationproperty that is very similar to lemon. So that, [00:03:12]

that is the corollary for that ecosystem.

Now I have been pretty darned amazed with, with thislittle lime tree that I am growing here in Canada, that Itake it out in the spring-summer-autumn and then bringit in for the winter. Right now it's in full flower, and what acool little plant. So that's something you can do too. Youcan actually grow citrus in a way that's kind of it's kindof like you know you just work with the seasons[00:03:38] and you can, you can kind of nurture it along.And citrus is pretty tough.

Now there is a story that was put out by John Hamakerwho wrote The Survival of Civilization with Don Weaver,and you may want to contact Don Weaver about this. Ithink his email is [email protected], and ask him

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about this story. I have been meaning to do this[00:03:57] for years. And if he gives a response pleasepost it on TheBestDayEver. And ask him this: JohnHamaker claimed that he grew an orange tree in

Michigan outside and his main modality was he just keptfeeding that thing rock dust and more rock dust andmore rock dust, and it became so hardy it was able tosurvive the winters in Michigan. That's a pretty shockingstory, but it would be amazing if it was true. And then,you know, then you are eating [00:04:22] something thatis really in your ecosystem. So that's my answer to thatquestion.

Lucien: Okay. Fantastic. This next question is related to an

interview that we did on fungus with a fungal expert GilaVaris, and it is looking at reconciling some of the issueswith what we take to boost the immune system that alsomay be increasing the pathogens in our body. They are afeeding source as well. So let's we'll try to sort throughthis.

Dear David, I was recently listening to an audio recordingfrom Gila Varis, Fungus. She mentioned that if one is

suffering from an autoimmune disorder to not takeimmune-boosting herbs or to only take them once aweek, that this will actually tonify the disorder.

Could you elaborate on autoimmune disorders and whatthat entails plus a protocol for herbs that should beavoided and herbs that one should focus on?

And he gives some specifics.

David: Very [00:05:25] good. Okay. Let's start out with:Autoimmune conditions do have a lot to do with beingdisconnected or insulated from the Earth itself. That'swhat the research is showing. It may be the ultimate realcause of autoimmune conditions. Whenever we arebarefoot and connected to the Earth or if we live

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connected to the Earth all the time then according towhat Clint Ober is telling me with his barefoot research,then we cannot actually develop an autoimmunecondition.

Now [00:05:57] he does quite a bit of scientific data thatsupports this, and one of those bits of data is indicatingthat our body actually becomes smarter when we areconnected to the great whole of the Earth. Therefore ourimmune system becomes smarter. So we are actuallymore capable of determining what is foreign and what isdomestic. That is a very interesting idea, that when weconnect to the Earth and touch it and getelectromagnetically reconnected to the Earth that we

become smarter and our immune system becomessmarter.

Now the herbs that you have to be a little bit careful ofbecause they stimulate the immune system up are herbslike echinacea root and garlic, which [00:06:39] areimmune system stimulants, but they can over-stimulateyour immune system in autoimmune conditions and inhyperallergic conditions they can actually do the wrong

thing; they can actually take you too far up and overreactyour nervous system and immune system and eventuallylead to even more troubles.

What we really want to go with and the reason why wego with this as a primary source of immunity is themedicinal mushrooms, [00:07:11] because they are bycall indications and this is well-known with reishi theyare dual-directional. They actually can bring your immunesystem up if it needs it, and it can bring it down if itneeds it. And that is a fundamental reason why Ipersonally always recommend the medicinal mushrooms,because they can go both directions.

Lucien: And would you say? The other part of that is that theydon't necessarily quote "boost your immune system,"

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[00:07:37] but they actually teach it intelligence overtime so that you are not giving your immune system likea quick burst of fuel to ignite it but you are giving it adeeper sense of intelligence on how to fight off

pathogens and unwanted guests and viruses, fungus andmold and all that that that is the actual tonifying effectof the medicinal mushrooms and sort of like the boostingeffects of like a short burst of energy.

David: I believe that what you are [00:08:08] saying is actuallycorrect. You are going to get different statements madeby different folks you know even in the mushroom fieldabout what the medicinal mushrooms are actually doing,but I think what you are saying is the correct description

of the action of medicinal mushrooms in your body. It's allabout activating your immune intelligence.

Lucien: Okay, great. Next question is a little bit related to whatwe looked at in the first [00:08:32] segment, but let's goover it anyway.

I'm thinking about leaving New York City and finding agreat place to live in the next year. I'm looking for some

good ideas of places to move that are great for this typeof lifestyle. I want a warm beach, very cool, open-mindedpeople anywhere in the U.S. or Costa Rica would begreat, or somewhere similar. Brazil is good since I'mlearning the language and have friends all over and sinceI'm into the martial arts. Would [00:08:58] yourecommend a few cities or countries for me to choosefrom? And any advice, that would be really helpful.

She has been a big believer of Steiner for over 20 years,Waldorf, biodynamics, she rescues animals, she's got areally great lifestyle and I think basically what she islooking for is your perspective, your advice on what aresome good places for her to live. If you had to choose acity in which to live that was with other people but yetsomewhat remote [00:09:21] and had access to some

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natural resources, where would it be?

David: Okay. Well, there was a mention of Costa Rica, and I dowant to mention from my travels through Costa Rica

and I've been in almost every corner of Costa Rica thatmy feeling is the most livable part of Costa Rica andsomething that is very easy to adapt to if you are comingfrom an American ecosystem is the northwestern portionof Costa Rica. And there is you know a good dry season,[00:09:53] you have almost California-like mountains. It's

just a really nice environment. You've got monkeys. It'snot overly oppressive with toxic and dangerous plants orcacti. The area is around Nosara. Nosara is a little town inthat northwestern portion of Costa Rica and that whole

peninsula. Ostional [Wildlife Reserve] and all of thoseareas, they are just great. I am actually heading theremyself in about 5 or 6 weeks.

Another area is Hawaii. That's a very important place toconsider, because if you are an American you are anAmerican. It is hard to get the American out of theAmerican. Just saying [00:10:29] like, "Okay, I'm pickingup and I'm going to you know Peru now, I living there," or

"I'm living in Brazil." If you are an American it is a verydifficult thing to really do at the core of your being andsomething is never really quite settled I feel from what Ihave seen of people who have [00:10:45] expatriated toplaces like that.

So I would really look at Hawaii, and there are all kinds ofamazing deals available in Hawaii for real estate,especially on the big island. And there are all kinds ofecosystems on the big island. I mean we think or on allthe Hawaiian islands. We think of Hawaii as tropical butactually there is every ecosystem in Hawaii that exists,except [00:11:04] for the tundra and glaciers. Everythingelse exists in Hawaii. You've got deserts, you've gotbeaches, you've got tropics, you've got temperateclimates, you've got temperate forests, all kinds of cool

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things. So that's a strong consideration.

And then one more consideration is Canada. I mean, youknow, if you like the temperate climates there are

amazing ecosystems in the regions that are like the what are those called? the San Juan Islands. The SanJuan Islands are in Western Canada. There are placeswhere you can grow subtropical plants, all kinds of littleecosystems in those islands just north of the Puget Soundin Canada. Or even if you want to stay in the U.S. thenyou know around I think Cortez Island and oh, what'sthe other one there? Another really awesome island upthere that I like to hang out at. But it's all, it's all in thatarea [00:11:59] where Olympia is and Cortes [spelling?]

just north of Seattle and to the west.

Lucien: Okay. So this next question is a really interestingquestion because we did the George Lamoureuxinterview for April two days ago and in that interview thequestion was asked the relationship between the herbalteas and the tea extracts and the hot teas that we aredoing from a superherb point of view and how thatconnects with a living food lifestyle. [00:12:30] Because

you know, according to strict Chinese medicine a rawfood diet is not something that they adhere to, but theyheat a lot of their herbs. They apply heat in a veryspecific way.

And so George kind of tackled that question, David, withrelationship to the Chinese medicinal herbal system andraw foods and how although at superficial glance theymight appear to be kind of polar opposites that actuallyin light of today's technology and our advances in healthand nutrition we are able to combine the two. So I amgoing to ask this question and maybe as the backgroundcontext of this question you can also answer how thesetwo fit together. So this question is:

Dear David, I see [you] [00:13:14] in your videos talking

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teas and boiled mushroom tonics and I am wonderinghow this fits into a raw diet. In The Sunfood Diet SuccessSystem you say 100% raw equals 1000% of the effects. Ihave been 100% raw for the last three months and it has

been amazing. I would like to do this for as long as Ichoose to stay on the planet. I love it. It feels good andmy healing has accelerated so much, but I'm wonderinghow teas and mushroom [00:13:40] tonics fit into this.

Thanks.

David: Okay, great. No problem. I mean, this person is a newbie,right? They are just getting started. I have been doingthis for, you know, geez for me it's 16 years. You know,I've been there and done that with raw foods fasting,

fruitarianism, sproutarianism, wheatgrassism, the whole9 yards. And you do find that you want to take advantageof all health systems that we have available to us.

And we want to take advantage for example of the greatdiscoveries of Taoist tonic herbalism, because it[00:14:19] can get us into a higher place. I mean, thisperson is obviously in a great state, feeling super-high,everything is going great, and guess what? It can go

higher. And so what we are really delivering here withTheBestDayEver.com is how to go higher. Just higher andhigher and higher. It's outrageous actually. When youtake Taoist tonic herbalism and the mushroom teas andyou combine it with raw and living foods it's outrageouswhere that goes.

Now [00:14:49] it goes beyond that, because we have theability to add it to all the different herbal cornucopia ofknowledge that's out there from Ayurveda to Europeanfolk herbalism to Amazonian shamanism, the whole9 yards, and I would recommend that we avail ourselvesof all of that with the sense of okay, you know, out of allthese herbs let's just take the top stuff and see if we canadd it to our raw food diet and go higher.

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Now there is another issue, and that [00:15:15] ismetabolic imbalances caused by food can be alleviatedby the appropriate herbalism. That is something that Iwas speaking with Rehmannia Dean Thomas about one

time, and he just really enunciated that very well. He'slike, "Look. Raw food is clearly the best form of nutrition,and if somebody metabolically is imbalanced by let's saycold, wet, damp spleen or something like that, boom, youbring poria the mushroom in, you bring rehmannia in,[00:15:41] you bring some of these herbs in to warm upthe spleen, get that whole thing going so that you canbalance out metabolic imbalances with appropriate formsof herbalism. That's a very interesting idea, and certainlyI think is where all nutrition is going to be going.

We get the core base of our calories as pure and as cleanas possible and as close to the Earth as possible, andthen use herbalism to dance around that to keep inmetabolic [00:16:03] balance and to advance the higheven more, advance the immunity even more, advanceour state of consciousness even more.

Lucien: All right. Fantastic. I know for some people I'd say

newbies coming in and they see raw food and then yousee, you know, heated teas, you know, all thesemedicinal mushrooms need to be heat-extracted and soforth. The first question obviously that comes up is like,"Well, wait a minute. I'm using heat here. I'm notsupposed [00:16:27] to be using heat. I'm not supposedto be cooking. I'm supposed to be keeping everything youknow raw." And we are talking about raw food, we aretalking about living enzymes and so forth and basically inthe interview with George [Lamoureux] we just, like yousaid, made a clear distinction between okay, what are weheating and destroying enzymes and when we areactually applying heat with water to actually extract thepolysaccharides and so forth from the mushrooms.[00:16:54] It seems to be pretty clear for people whohave been in it for a while, but for people who are new it

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can be, appear to be a superficial contradiction.

David: Yeah. Exactly. I mean really what it comes down to iswhat is an appropriate use of fire as an element, and

extracting what is alchemically and archetypicallyconnected to magic which is you know the wholemushroom kingdom extracting from that kingdom usingfire and spring [00:17:27] water is pretty interesting tome. I mean, definitely it feels like you know, it feels likeyou are playing around with, with you know the elfinworld, the fairy world. It feels like you are playing aroundwith fire in a way that we were intended to, you know, aspart of our advance in consciousness on the planet.Where we are using fire to boil lettuce, that seems like an

inappropriate use, or using it to fry you know eggs or youknow [00:17:56] bacon or something, then we are in atotal inappropriate use.

But you know, here at my house we are using fire to getthrough the winter, because you know obviously we areburning wood to keep the house warmed up so that youknow we can actually make it through the winter here,and to have the wood-burning stove going anyway and

mushrooms that we picked from the forest next to thehouse in this house all dried up and ready to go, and[00:18:20] then spring water piped into the house withspiral pipes, you know, the whole thing starts looking likea real magical reality.

Lucien: All right. Awesome. All right. The next question is,

Dear David, I'm a health practitioner and I deal withwomen giving birth and would like to know whatfoods/supplements you would recommend to help womenavoid kidney/blood-pressure-related issues contributingto preeclampsia? I'm thinking cacao given the Mg and[00:18:54] maybe maca for other minerals. Any specificsuggestions that would help [keep] this woman fromreaching the PE condition? Preeclampsia. Much love.

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Thank you.

David: That's above and beyond my scope of knowledge. If I wasto say anything it would only be a guess. What I would do

I mean my next move on that question is to discuss thatwith my favorite midwife, Alexandria Van Galeety[spelling?], who lives in Venice Beach, California. So Iactually don't feel comfortable answering based on mylack of expertise in that area.

Lucien: All right.

Dear David, What spices are raw? I am referring to theFrontier Co-op items that they sell at most Whole Foods

Markets and co-ops. Thank you.

David: That's a great question. Probably very few of them areactually raw. You know, the cinnamon, is that actuallyraw? I mean raw cinnamon [00:19:48] is actually a bark,and it's a hard bark, and to actually grate it down into apowder, that has got to require some high-pressure, high-heat equipment. The same could be said probably forcayenne and a whole bunch of other things.

In general, because it's a very small portion of caloriesyou know, I'm not too worried about that in terms ofpeople's health as long as it is organic. In terms of myhealth, I really don't ever consume any [00:20:14]powdered cinnamon, any powdered nutmeg. I do notconsume any powdered cayenne that's been done by anoperation where I'm not sure what is going on like, youknow, what Frontier [unintelligible word]. I think Frontieris a great company, but personally I think a lot of theirstuff is heat-processed and that's kind of where I am atwith it.

Whenever you take a substance let's say it's nutmeg and you powder it, you are obviously exposing it tooxidation. If you [unintelligible word] with [00:20:41] heat

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you know it's even worse. To me, I am very sensitive tothat, so I try to stay away from those kinds of things orcreate them myself at home. You know, I create my ownchili powders at home, I dry my own chili peppers, crush

them to a powder, filter them through a strainer andboom, there is your powder.

Lucien: All right. Great.

Dear Avocado, Is it possible to fully restore the thyroidgland to normal function after someone has takenSynthroid for 10 years [00:21:13] or so?

It's a synthetic drug I guess.

Can you recommend some therapy?

David: It's a synthetic thyroid drug. Let's talk a little bit aboutthyroid and just what I know about it, because there areprobably a lot of people wondering you know what to do.

The #1 thing is, is that the thyroid does retain itsfunctionality even if we've taking Synthroid, even if we'vebeen taking other types of thyroxin [00:21:38]

supplements, even if we have had some of our thyroidremoved. As long as some of the thyroid is there, therecan be functionality.

Now the thyroid is actually like a sack, and in that sack isa thousand thyroid glands. So a thyroid gland is not quitewhat we think it is; it is not just like one thing. It's actuallya sack containing a thousand little thyroid glands that areproducing thyroxin. And the problems that we areexperiencing with the thyroid to me have [00:22:12] a lotto do with radiation and radioactivity in the atmosphereand in the food supply, including depleted uranium,including plutonium, including radioactive cesium andothers. There is a lot of radioactive debris in theatmosphere. There has been something like 250 nucleardetonations on this Earth since Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

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That is an unbelievable number.

Not only that, we have got depleted uranium still beingused in Iraq, it's being used in Afghanistan, and it was

used in Bosnia, in Bosnia and Serbia and that conflictthere. So you know that, that produced a huge amount ofdepleted uranium vapor that, that gets into the thyroidand it causes massive oxidation, which [00:22:59] itbasically ages you and it can eventually cause cancerand thyroid disease.

Now this is where I am actually at. I talked to Clint Oberabout this, and I think there is some truth to this. In myresearch about the thyroid, the thyroid is very highly

negatively charged, so in terms of looking at eachmeridian point in our body as a well or a bucket that canhold electricity, to me I bet you based on the research that the thyroid is the [00:23:28] biggest bucket we got.So if we are going to for example get grounded and getfree electricity from the Earth or use a zapper and get alittle of electricity that way, it fills up different meridianpoints in different ways depending on where that zapperis or what part of our body is actually touching the Earth.

So you know if we are touching with our feet it's good,but it's better for our thyroid if our neck touches theground. [00:24:01] [Rudolph] Steiner said that we are aplant turned upside-down. Our head represents the root;it represents the Earth actually. And our toes for exampleare the ends of the branches, and you know other partswould be for example the fruits and the flowers. Youknow, and I'll let that be up to your own imagination.

The point of that is that the charge the negative chargeright in our neck is right where the plant would surfaceout of [00:24:29] the ground. That is right where theelectrical charge pools on the surface of the Earth andthat makes sense to me that that would be the biggestenergy bucket for electrons or electricity in our body,

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because we are never grounded, we are in plastic shoes,rubber-soled shoes, you know we have never had theright type of electricity absorbing into our body throughzappers or anything like that, and then we are exposed to

very powerful [00:24:52] free radicals like radioactiveplutonium which by the way and radioactive uranium,which by the way contaminates almost all dairy products.I'm just putting that out there as well.

Then what happens is our thyroid goes completely out ofwhack first, because that is the first symptom of radiationdisease, and next thing you know, boom, metabolicsyndrome and then you know they are putting you onSynthroid.


David: Now Synthroid does disturb metabolism to such a pointthat it's like a very seriously addictive drug, and we wantto move great like step off it very slowly, move towardsan actual animal glandular of the real thyroid, like thedessicated thyroid of a pig or a cow, so that we canactually get the real stuff instead of the fake stuff.

Because Synthroid is fake, and it's a very serious drug.And [00:00:39] then we move to the real stuff, andeventually it is possible to move then to homeopathics.

Is it possible to even get off the homeopathics at thatpoint? Probably not. I think I don't know. I mean, sure,it's possible but not in my experience. It is very difficultto get off these drugs in a way that, you know, that isquick. It is very slow, step-by-step, weaning down off theSynthroid on to the animal glandulars, then weaning theanimal [00:01:09] glandulars down.

Grounding helps a lot, getting grounded so the groundingis actually touching your next and thyroid, so it is fillingup that bucket with electrons, doing enoughdetoxification for example with zeolites, with the Adya

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Clarity in order to remove those heavy metals from ourbody, the fulvic acid and get those free radical oxidantsout of there, out of the thyroid so that thyroid can healitself, supporting our thyroid with good nutrition like

[00:01:37] maca and coconut and Brazil nuts and kelpand other excellent iodine sources and getting away fromthyroid suppressive foods, especially soy. That is kind ofthe whole picture of thyroid, you know. That is whatcomes up for me. So I want to put that all out there so wehave some tools to choose from.

Lucien: All [00:02:00] right. Awesome. Awesome answer. And youknow overall I guess when we are talking about hormonereplacement therapy, we are talking about synthetic

drugs that are helping to increase hormone activity orsuppress hormone activity. There just doesn't seem to bea way to cheat Mother Nature when it comes to ourhormone activity, and that the only way that we canreally ever get them flowing naturally and properly isthrough a diet that is including some basic raw[00:02:31] living foods especially raw fats and oils thatare helping those glands to function at their optimallevel. Is that something you agree with?

David: Definitely. Definitely. We need, we actually need twothings to produce hormones: we need the right kinds offats and oils, which should for sure be raw, and we needthe right kind of protein. We need actually bioavailableprotein. Which is you know, that question is basicallysolved for vegetarians with superfoods. It's basicallysolved for everybody. I mean, with superfoods you get abioavailable protein, everything you want all the aminoacids, everything like we have never had before. Wecertainly weren't getting that with you know the Chicken[00:03:13] McNuggets we were eating.

Lucien: Certainly. Okay. Next question.

Dear David, Are you still endorsing Ocean's Alive marine

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phytoplankton as the best thing around? The reason Iask, I would like to know as I am about to import $1500worth and I hope I am not making a big mistake.

David: I love Ocean's Alive marine phytoplankton. It is one of myfavorite products, and yes I am still endorsing it. It wasyou know in my smoothie most of this [00:03:54] week,and I think it is one of the greatest things around for anumber of reasons. One is it's a combination of veryunique technology to bring forth a living marinephytoplankton in a biologically stable substrate which isa concentrate of ocean water. Then they have beenintroduced into each other via an extraordinary vortexingtechnology which I had the opportunity to play around

with over here at my house at one point. It's just aphenomenal combination [00:04:23] of those three things the food itself, the vortex technology and the substrate,the ocean water substrate that keeps everything incomplete suspended animation.

When you do open a bottle, it is better than yourefrigerate it. It keeps better. Because you areintroducing bacteria and stuff. You can breathe into it, or

if you are doing a drop under your tongue it can touchyour tongue and get bacteria in there and that caneventually spoil the marine phytoplankton over[00:04:47] a period of several months.

Another thing I want to mention is that this marinephytoplankton is an excellent source of nucleotides orfree energy essentially, ATP. Everything we have evereaten in our life has had to be converted fromcarbohydrates, protein and fat into what we callnucleotides, which is ATP, GTP and different units ofenergy. And the only foods in the world that actually havethose units of energy already bioavailable [00:05:22] toour metabolism and to the metabolism of all mammals isthe marine phytoplanktons. And there are thousands ofthem, and about 200 have been identified as being

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suitable for human consumption.

Currently the Ocean's Alive marine phytoplankton is 2 ofthose 200 marine phytoplankton and one of them is

really high in EPA for reasons of neurological health which you know a lot of us can use a little bit moresupport in that area, that's for sure.

Lucien: All right. Awesome. [00:05:54] And this sort of relates tothe next question, which is I think a fantastic question,because one of the things that comes up all the time inraw food, living food nutrition is the role that proteins andamino acids play in our diet and where we can find thosein raw and living food diet as well as a vegan diet. So

here we go.

Dear David, A number of people over time and now in theForum have told me they have tried vegetarianism andfound that [00:06:20] they were not as healthy andvibrant until they went back to meat "protein." I am ofthe belief that as long as something is a complete aminoacid profile it works for the body. After being vegan for anumber of years and returning to meat thinking it would

help me heal my back and now vegetarian again andfinding no difference in my healing progress or energywith or without meat protein. What is your stance on this?Are aminos the same regardless of the [00:06:44]source? Is something such as quinoa or rice protein withits complete amino acid profile just as good as meat withwhatever aminos it may contain? Have you ever metvegetarians who are doing everything right, eating plentyof superfoods and raw proteins and fats yet still couldn'tkeep their energy up without adding back in some animalprotein? What do you suppose is a reason for somepeople feeling that this is necessary after tryingvegetarianism?

David: Excellent question. I mean I think a lot of that is amystery to me. I don't know really. I mean, because I am

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not somebody else. But I know for me in my experiencethat superfoods based on the analytical data contain allcomplete proteins. For example: spirulina, completeprotein; marine phytoplankton, complete protein; AFA

bluegreen algae, complete protein; chlorella is acomplete protein; hempseed is a complete protein;flaxseed [00:07:39] is a complete protein; chia seed is acomplete protein; bee pollen is a complete protein; gojiberry is a complete protein. I mean that is a pretty goodlineup right there, and you can have that every meal ifyou wanted to, all of those things. And it's allbioavailable. Instant, like marine phytoplankton instantlyavailable, that protein which meat is not, even rawmeat is not instantly available like that.

So I don't know if the meat issue so [00:08:07] muchanymore is about protein, personally. In fact I don't thinkthat it is. I think at the cutting edge of nutrition it's notreally about that. I think where we are at with the meat-eating is more metabolic problems. And I actually wroteabout this in The Sunfood Dieta dozen years ago. It hasto do with the ability to digest fat. Some people cannotdigest plant fats very well. They can't digest the fat of

nuts and seeds very well, or they can't digest [00:08:36]dairy. So then it doesn't leave you much else. It has moreto do with fat than it has to do with protein, and that iswhat I am submitting to everybody who is listening rightnow.

And I would recommend reading that part ofThe SunfoodDietover again if you have that book, because that'sreally an important insight. If you find that people overtime really want to be vegetarian but can't be, it has todo with their fat metabolism, [00:09:02] that they cannotdigest vegetarian fats very well.

Then you will also find, "Okay, you know, do I really feelbetter if I am a meat eater?" Maybe for a while, but thenit flips again. Because I have been through this whole

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thing of like okay, there is the whole raw meat thing, andthen that kind of flips into cooked meat, and then peoplego, "Ooo, I don't want this anymore. I need to detox offthis stuff," and then it comes back to [00:09:23]

vegetarianism again. And then 5 years later it all comesback again and surfaces up again.

So the obvious indication here is that we are dealing withextremist behavior, which is, "Let's try all this and let'stry all that," and really the appropriate choice to me is, "Ifyou want to be a meat eater, but a very, very moderatemeat eater. If you want to be a fish eater, be a very, verymoderate fish eater," and you get out of this [00:09:48]flipping from one thing to another, which is very common

in the raw food world. It's kind people flip you knowfrom fruitarianism, suddenly it's green juice, and thenthey flip from that to sproutarianism, and then they flipfrom that to raw meat, and then they flip from that to rawdairy, then they flip from that back to raw green juice.

You know, it's more of a behavioral issue than an actualinformational issue. And then this, you know, behavioralextremes [00:10:13] creates a whole swath of confusionin its wake that newbies look at that and go, "My God,

what in the heck is this all about?"

Always we want to temper this extreme behavior with,with being very simple and being careful. You know, oneof the things about meat is there is a bioaccumulation oftoxins up the food chain. Every animal cell that has everbeen tested in the world in the last 20 years iscontaminated [00:10:43] with DDT I'm sorry, everyanimal fatcell is contaminated with DDT. That isunbelievable. And so therefore we know that thebioaccumulation of toxins as it goes up the food chainincreases. So if we say, "Okay, now I'm a meat eateragain," boom, we could be blasting ourselves with allkinds of unknowns which in our world today is not it'snot a luxury that we can get away with for very long. Wemight [00:11:11] be able to get away with it for 5 years

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or 10 years or 20 years, but what is going to happen in20 years?

And you know I was on a panel with Sally Fallon a number

of years ago, and I really like what she does and I like themessage she puts out there. I don't agree witheverything she has to say, but one of the things she didsay is, "Yes, if you are going to be eating more meat anddairy your chances of cancer increase dramatically."[00:11:32] Which is true. And, and I don't want mychances of cancer increasing dramatically. I want it goingdown.

So, you know, we just have to be careful that we just

don't get dragged into the next thing, you know, anddragged all over the place, because really all these thingsin temperance. And if we can get the bulk of our caloriesand nutrition from superfoods and superherbs especially the ones that we are growing or wildcraftingourself and then we, you [00:12:01] know, let's sayyou're, you know, out in the stream back in you know thelower regions behind my house over here, if I was a fisheater I would be out there you know fishing for trout out

there. I'm not, but if I was, you know, it would be thatlocal. That's what I would do. Going beyond that to me is

just totally rolling the dice.

Lucien: And it's very interesting. You talk about, you know, thebehavioral [00:12:25] aspect of this whole thing, which itseems to lend itself to that our mind dictates to a largeextent or almost maybe entirely to the extent of whatour physical body decides to manifest as or to produce asa result, and that when our mind is craving or desiringthings that it's used to, such as meat or even just feelingfull, as soon as we take that away even though takingthat away might be healthy for our physical body,mentally because we are very desirous [00:12:55] of thatmeat or that particular protein-fat combination, we aregoing to have some reaction to that physically almost

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like an alcoholic would.

You know, if you take alcohol away from an alcoholic,they are going to experience a physical detriment from

that absence of alcohol. But you wouldn't then arguethat, well, you need to give them alcohol. Now that's anextreme example, but do you think that kind of fits intoanything that, what we are saying here?

David: I [00:13:22] think that does come up for sure, that thereare addictions to meat that occur. I mean, there isaddiction to a lot of things that can occur, but certainlythere are addictions to meat that can occur. We knowthat there is a relationship between foods that we are

allergic to becoming addicted to it. So that can happenwith dairy products, where there can be an allergy thatturns into an addiction. So certainly that is part of what isgoing on.

Then there [00:13:45] is the whole, you know, swath ofconfusion that we are all in in our world, which you knowcauses us to go, you know, "This seems right now," andthen tomorrow we go, "Oh, maybe it's that," and all this

kind of stuff. And I would really recommend that we justhave temperance in our behavior and not flip to theseextremes, you know, and really also observe the ancientphrase, "Flee the table when you are two-thirds full." Fleethe table. You know a lot of [00:14:17] this too, a lot ofthis like, "Oh, now I have to be eating this or that," orwhatever, a lot of it is just that addiction to being full,which is a major issue that we are all facing. Because youknow we have all loaded our bellies up with massiveamounts of pizza and cupcakes and all this kind of stuff tofill ourselves up, and that was kind of a daily routine fordecades, and then all of a sudden it stops and our bodygoes, "What's [00:14:39] happening?" you know, "Howcome we are not paralyzed with the fullness anymore?"

And to come off of that kind of a drug feeling is I

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literally, in my life, I had to pray. That's how I got throughit. I prayed that like, "Please help me, God. Please helpme get through this," and help came. I mean, I don't havethose feelings. I haven't had those feelings in well over

probably 13 years [00:15:06] or something like that. But Idid, and certainly lots of people listening are goingthrough that right now. Just all we can do to eat less is agood thing. And since we are eating the best food ever,we don't need that much anyway.

Lucien: Almost it's bred from the very beginning of ourexistence we are just given such an overabundance offood that we are just constantly eating until we are full.And I think it was in our last interview [00:15:34] you

mentioned that thing of, "Flee the table when you aretwo-thirds full." Is that the Egyptian saying? I think Iremember you saying it was from

David: It's an Egyptian apparently attributed to the ancientEgyptians.

Lucien: And it's just it's such a profound statement, because weare so used to being full and there is the, there is the

aspect of eating the best foods ever and it seems thateven in the superfood [00:15:59] world we get the bestfoods ever but then we overindulge in the best foodsever. And then we can still have problems if we are stillfollowing that psychological pattern of stuffing ourselves.And I'm guilty of this probably more than anyone else, ofyou know coming from when the first interview I ever didwith you was eating a pepperoni pizza to now, you know,eating superfoods but feeling like, "Well, 6 handfuls ofgoji berries can't be [00:16:23] bad for me, becausethey're goji berries."

David: I mean it's better than pizza. That's important to realizetoo. Like you can get away with it with raw foods a lotbetter than you can with the other stuff, and your bodywill give you much stronger signals with the raw food of

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how much is too much. And raw food is a very powerfultool of balance when you are listening to your body,because it will tell you, like, "Okay, boom, you have hadtoo much [00:16:54] almond butter. You have got to stop

right now." It will tell you that.

Whereas cooked food, it's kind of there is no stop. Youknow, this is called aliesthetic taste change that wastalked about in some of the instinctive nutrition books20 years ago, which is cooked food never gives you ataste alteration stop where your body has a suddencomplete turnoff to it; whereas [00:17:16] raw food does any raw food. Raw meat, raw dairy, raw nuts, rawseeds, raw nut butters, raw lettuce, anything, raw

pineapple. If you eat it just by itself, at some point yourbody goes, "That's enough. You're done." That's the endof it.

And for example with pineapple it is easy to determinethat, because you eat it and it's like, "Oh, this is great,"and then you eat more if it and it's "Oh, great." And then[00:17:37] all of a sudden it's like, "Oh oh, this onedoesn't have any taste." Next one, you're like, "Oh, I

sense there is a lot of acids in this." The next bite, boom,it's burning your mouth.

Lucien: Could you spell that out for people?

David: Yep. It's ali, a-l-i, which means digestive, it's a Latin root,esthetic, e-s-t-h-e-t-i-c, aliesthetic, all one word. A famousnutritionist [00:17:59] oh geez, it's been a long timesince I've read her books. Anyway, a very famousnutritionist in the 1960s talked about the aliesthetic tastechange of raw food, and that since was taken on by kindof the instinctive nutrition world especially the groupbased out of France, Jean-Claude Bergay's [spelling?]group, and then eventually by kind of the American rawfood movement and it was put into a book by SeverenSchaeffer, which is a classic called Instinctive Nutrition.

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That is in there as well.

Do you know who I'm talking about? Adele Davis. That'sit. Adele Davis.

Lucien: Okay. I mean it's such a great piece of information,because it sort of reveals that within nature there is aninnate balance of what you should eat and what you caneat [00:18:48] and what you do eat when it's reached itslimit. And in cooked and processed food there is not thatinnate built-in balance that you are you are almostpredestined to go overboard when things are unnaturallyaltered or changed to produce sickness and disease.Whereas in nature oh, what was it you were saying? You

were saying at the Longevity Conference, you talkedabout wild foods. There is a natural [00:19:18] resiliencebuilt into wild foods that when you eat the wild foods youhave a built-in natural resilience, and there is kind of aninnate built-in mechanism to avoid overabundance oroveruse or abuse. That was it: abuse.

Whereas processed foods and chemically altered foods,there is not that innate built-in mechanism, and that is so

revealing, which really had not occurred to me until youjust mentioned it. And if you [00:19:46] look at the twogenres of natural foods and processed foods, in thenatural foods there is a built-in natural balancemechanism, whereas in processed foods there is not.

David: That is exactly the point. That is why raw food is soimportant, because it can help you get in touch with that.And that alone may be the crux of the issue for manypeople. I know it was for me. I know I could never detectwhat was too much, too little, you know, any of it when[00:20:13] I was eating cooked food. But raw foodssuddenly made me very aware of like, "Oh, this is whoa!Okay, now it's too much." I feel my stomach. I can feelmy lungs. I can feel my internal organs. I mean, all of thatawareness came in from raw foods.

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Lucien: I think it was with the, one of the previous interviews wetalked about tobacco. And you were talking about howtobacco kind of has that built-in mechanism to natural

tobacco and where the problem with [00:20:41] smokingtobacco I think was a woman's question on how to quitsmoking. And you said the problem is not so muchbecause of tobacco as what the, you know, 75,000different chemicals or whatever they put into thecigarette that is causing the imbalance.

David: That is so funny you said that right when you said that,Lou, because at that exact second I was grabbing a seedpod of tobacco in my house, right here growing

[unintelligible phrase]. And I was literally literally[00:21:12] I'm just crushing the seeds right now and Iwas going to go sprinkle them in the, in the little gardenplot right in front of the house. So it's interesting youbrought that up right at that moment. It must be amessage from the tobacco gods.

There is no question in my mind, based on people I knowwho are addicted to cigarettes and I'm talking about,

you know, American Spirit, that there is something wrongwith American Spirit [brand]. [00:21:33] And I have beentalking to people in the industry about it, and it's twothings: it's the way it's dried, it's flew-dried. It's dried tooquickly, it has an excess amount of sugars in it a hugeamount of excess amount of sugars in it and it'ssprayed with chelated nicotine to spike that grouping ofalkaloids in the tobacco. So my feeling is, is to actuallybecome addicted, like full-on addicted like having to haveit all the time and that kind of thing, [00:21:59] is almostimpossible with natural stuff. But with the stuff that's outthere, it's probable that someone would become addictedto it, based on the way that they process it.

Lucien: Okay. That's just really awesome insights and informationthere. Okay.

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Dear Avocado, My mom was diagnosed with breastcancer and M.D. Anderson in Houston [00:22:26] one ofthe most highly respected medical facilities in the world

says that she needs radiation therapy starting at the endof the first week in March. She was startled today whenher friend forwarded her the article below and I wouldreally appreciate Dave's thoughts on this issue. As muchas I respect alternative therapy, is risking a 40-60%survival rate on alternative therapies worth it? At leastthis is the way the doctors put it to her.

So this is the excerpt [00:22:49] from the article that sheforwarded to this M.D. Anderson in Houston, and here is

the quote:

"Standard cancer treatments not only often fail toeradicate cancer but can make it worse. That argumentisn't coming from a fringe proponent of alternatemedicine but from the founder of the University ofMichigan's comprehensive Cancer Center and a pioneerin research on why cancers recur and spread to otherparts of the body. The reason breast [00:23:22] cancer

and other malignancies often return aggressively aftertreatment is that when tumor cells die under assault fromchemotherapy and radiation they give off substancesthat can reactivate a special set of master cells known ascancer stem cells, Dr. Wicha said in an interview Tuesday.

"Dr. Wicha's lab has found that inflammatory molecules secreted bydying tumor cells can hook up with the stem cells and cause them ineffect to come out of hibernation." end quote

So that is the quote of the article saying basically how chemo, how itnot only does not cure [00:23:56] cancer, it also can exacerbate orcontinue it because of its relationship to "cancer stem cells." Now she is

just I guess basically asking your opinion on that.

David: Okay. My opinion about cancer therapies is the following.

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David: One is we have never had such sophisticated alternativemethods for cancer therapy, period. We have never had

that. We have never had the opportunity [00:00:19] forintegrative therapies in the way that we have now. Let'ssay for example somebody has a very aggressive tumor,it's very hard, it's very big, it's breast cancer, they havebeen trying alternative therapies. They can opt toperhaps have that tumor removed and use all alternativemethods other than the actual surgery to treat theirbreast and their body in a way that will allow the[00:00:45] body to heal itself and to, you know, to comeback into a homeostasis.

The causes of cancer are vast and varied, so we can't getinto a silly kind of oversimplification like, "This is whatcancer is." There are a lot of emotional components tocancer certainly. There are a lot of genetic factors, thereare a lot of viral factors, and it just goes on and on likethis. But what we can say is that the future of cancertherapy is definitely alternative [00:01:15] for sure and ifit wasn't that way, then why are alternative therapies

suppressed? Alternative therapies that I have seen, likein Mexico and what Dr. Hitt does at the William HittCenter in Mexico, WilliamHittCenter.com definitelycheck out what he is doing with cancer down there. It'stotally miraculous.

And talking to him, hearing about the buyoutopportunities that he has had where the pharmaceuticalindustries [00:01:44] have come to him to try to buy himout just so he shuts down. I mean, if alternative therapiesweren't doing anything, then why would that even occur?

You know, so just to break out of you know the wholebrainwashing that is going on. Pharmaceutical industryrepresentatives are spending something like $500 milliona year to sell their products just in marketing. Just inmarketing alone $500 million. That is almost an

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unimaginable number. So therefore their resources[00:02:22] are deep and sophisticated in how they cancontrol media and get us to believe that their strategy isthe best strategy.

But more and more people are becoming aware, and it'shappening every single day, that they don't want to godown the same path as their mom went their down, theirbest friend, their grandmother or any other folks whohave died of a cancer disease, went the traditionalmethod and didn't make it. More and more people arerealizing that nobody is making [00:02:48] it with theconventional theories.

And then just to give you an idea of how they changethings around, it used to be that you were a cancersurvivor if you were in remission for 5 years. About10 years ago they changed it to 3 years, so if you are inremission for 3 years you have beaten cancer withchemotherapy. But if it came back in year 4 you are notcounted in that statistic anymore meaning you are acancer survivor still even though you died of the cancer.So just putting that out there how we can lie with

statistics [00:03:21] and how the cancer andpharmaceutical industry does lie with statistics.

Let's keep going. There is a definite program afoot, wehave known about it for, ever since I have been in thisindustry, to deceive us about cancer and to get us to gothe pharmaceutical, medical, surgical, cut, burn, poisonroute. That is a route that is extremely degrading. It isdegrading to our integrity, it is degrading to ourspirituality, it is degrading to our own natural [00:03:50]healing ability, and it does not address the real causeswhich oftentimes are emotional and carcinogenic meaning we have been exposed to carcinogens and wehave got emotional upheavals going on, and this isbringing the cancer to boil.

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We have a great gladiator out there, and regardless ofwhat you think of him, Kevin Trudeau is a great gladiatorout there fighting for our cancer freedoms so that we canactually have the therapies that we want. Because as

[00:04:18] a free people we should be able to choosewhatever we want to. Even if it is the most quacked outthing in the world, we should be able to choose it becausethat is what free people should be able to do, and nobodyshould be put into jail for any quack theory. But I will tellyou one thing: the biggest quacks going are the peoplewho produce no results, and that is the conventionalmedical industry. The conventional medical industry hasproduced more [00:04:43] deaths from cancer, moredeaths from staph infections in hospitals, more deaths

from side effects than any business ever in the history ofthe world, and they are out of court. They have done their

job poorly. They have not cured cancer.

Right? Richard Nixon was boasting about curing cancer in1971 and was promoting the American Cancer Societyand said, "We're close to a cure." No they're not. Theyhave never been close [00:05:12] to a cure. Because thecure isn't, has nothing to do with their theories of cancer,

which are entirely materialistic, do not take into accountthe whole being, do not take into account Chinesemedical theories on cancer, do not take into accountAyurvedic theories on cancer, do not take into accountthe raw food history of cancer treatments at places likeHippocrates Health Institute and just don't take intoaccount what is happening at the very fringe of[00:05:38] alternative health, like what Dr. Hitt is doingor some of the ozone therapies that are available inMexico or even in Europe.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg. So the very firstthing I always say to anybody and I just had a personemail me today whose son is 4 years old and hasleukemia the very first thing I say is, "I am willing towork with you if you are willing to go alternative." If you

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are going to go [00:05:59] medical, forget about.Because I had a very dear friend of mine who, her sonbasically was because the husband was really into themedical model said, "We're going totally medical. We are

going to do all this medical stuff," and a year later theirchild was dead. And tried to, you know, do what I could tointervene and provide natural alternatives, but again, youknow, the survival rates of this chemotherapy are beingskewed, we are being lied to. The [00:06:25] whole thingis in my opinion a massive, massive environmentalcatastrophe.

One of the things that is not being talked about, aboutthis chemotherapy, is the environmental catastrophe of

it. Because we are dealing with radiation. Whensomebody has chemotherapy and they go pee in a toilet,for the next 3 months they pee out, 70% of thatchemotherapy is peed out into the environment asradioactive debris that contaminates everybody andeverything. And then 30% [00:06:50] of that is retainedin their body for years afterwards and is only releasedslowly. That is just only one aspect of the dangers ofchemotherapy.

Lucien: Wow.

David: So for me at this point, chemotherapy is obnoxious, is notbased on science, it is skewed by money, and it isabsolutely degrading for all the reasons I just said. Wehave got to go alternative and there are plenty ofdifferent strategies for doing that. And from a dietarystrategy [00:07:23] and what we really offer on

TheBestDayEver is we have got to cut off the food supplyof the cancer, and we know that that food supply issugar. We have got to cleanse and detoxify thecarcinogens that could be in our body using the differentmeans that we have and there are plenty of amazingtechnologies from fulvic acid to Adya Clarity to zeolites toyou know a whole host of detox products like MSM,

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angstrom zinc, colloidal silver and [00:07:53] just anamazing array of stuff including superfoods like chlorellathat can get in there and chelate out some of thesecarcinogens. And when we put a strategy together that is

well thought out based on all the research that we haveand we apply it with the support of our family we canthen at least live in peace with ourselves. And no matterwhat happens, at least we did the best we could, we putthe best foot forward, and we went for it.

And then we go for the [00:08:18] emotional healing too.I had a friend of mine who came to see me in Reno withhis wife. His wife had third stage breast cancer. I did awhole presentation on raw foods. This was years ago,

8 years ago probably, and what happened was is they,they heard me and they are like, "You know what? Thisraw food thing makes sense." She regained her dignity,she got off the drugs and all the chemo and all the otherstuff that was going on, said, "I'm going alternative[00:08:44] and I'm just gonna do it this way." Sheregained her dignity. She eventually died of breastcancer 4 years later, at home, with her family, afterspending her last year of life gardening. Now to me that

if we are going to check out, let's at least check out withour dignity. Let's not get sucked into this wholerigamarole and peer pressure and fright tech

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