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Before

THE TOBYHANNA TOWNSHIP BOARD OF SUPERVISORS

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In Re: Reorganization Meeting

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Tobyhanna Township Government Center Building 105 Government Center Way Pocono Pines, Pennsylvania 18350 Monday, January 4, 2016 beginning at 3:30 p.m.

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PRESENT: ANNE LAMBERTON, Chairperson DONALD MOYER, Vice-Chairperson JOHN J. HOLAHAN, III, Board Member JOHN E. KERRICK, Board Member HEIDI A. PICKARD, Board Member

PATRICK M. ARMSTRONG, ESQUIRE Solicitor

ALSO PRESENT: PHYLLIS HAASE, Township Manager

ROBERT J. McHALE, Township Engineer

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Panko Reporting 537 Sarah Street, Second Floor Stroudsburg, Pennsylvania 18360 (570) 421-3620

2

1 MR. ARMSTRONG: We'll open the

2 January 4, 2016 Tobyhanna Township Board of

3 Supervisors reorganization meeting with the pledge

4 of allegiance.

5 (Pledge of allegiance was

6 recited.)

7 MR. ARMSTRONG: Thank you and

8 welcome to the Tobyhanna reorg of January 4, 2016.

9 With that, the first nomination,

10 if there is someone to nominate someone on the

11 board to serve as the chair of the board of

12 supervisors for the year 2016?

13 MS. PICKARD: I'll nominate --

14 MR. KERRICK: I'd like to

15 nominate Anne Lamberton.

16 MR. MOYER: I'll second.

17 MR. ARMSTRONG: Motion made for

18 Anne Lamberton and seconded.

19 Any questions or comments from

20 the board?

21 MR. HOLAHAN: Yeah, I do.

22 Anne, with things that are going

23 on with the Kalahari and with Papillion and Moyer,

24 are you going to be able to have those

25 conversations with these meetings?

3

1 MS. LAMBERTON: I think I've

2 been pretty clear on my conflicts and my ethically

3 stating that I work for them.

4 MR. HOLAHAN: I guess my

5 concern is, in the -- how much discussion can they

6 have when they've got a conflict?

7 MR. ARMSTRONG: Yeah. I mean,

8 that's -- when someone has a conflict with respect

9 to a matter before the board, clearly they should

10 not be voting and they should recuse themselves

11 from the actual vote itself. When it comes to

12 deliberating with the board, it usually makes sense

13 for those who are deliberating to step back. I've

14 seen -- I've seen individuals do both, so long as

15 they're recusing themselves from the actual vote

16 being made. I tend to err on the side of caution

17 and suggest, you know, if there's actual active

18 deliberations going back and forth, you know,

19 sometimes it makes sense not to get too involved

20 with those discussions.

21 As to what's going to be before

22 this board in 2016 with Kalahari, I don't know. I

23 mean, they're -- I don't know how much is going to

24 be before this board for actual action in 2016, but

25 if that's a concern --

4

1 MS. LAMBERTON: I think that

2 there's a difference between deliberation and

3 discussion. I mean, deliberation is how I would

4 vote on something, which I don't vote on anything.

5 MS. PICKARD: I'm confused now

6 about deliberation and -- and discussion, isn't

7 that the same thing? You're deliberating on the

8 vote, it's what you have a discussion on?

9 MS. LAMBERTON: Well, discussion

10 is to bring the information forward.

11 MR. ARMSTRONG: The discussion

12 I think is --

13 MS. LAMBERTON: That's how I'm

14 looking at it.

15 MR. ARMSTRONG: -- what Anne is

16 referring to, a discussion is like an informative

17 kind of discussion --

18 MS. LAMBERTON: Right.

19 MR. ARMSTRONG: -- as to -- as

20 to the separate issues. Deliberating is actual

21 deliberation between members of the board with the

22 intent of coming up with a decision. You know,

23 it's a fine line before -- between the point of dec

24 -- discussion and deliberations. I mean, is there

25 -- this is kind of catch -- catch me a little bit

5

1 off guard, but is there going to be a lot of

2 discussions or action with Kalahari in 2016? That

3 I don't know. They're in the pro -- I mean,

4 they've done their land development app --

5 approvals, so they're proceeding with phases --

6 well, stages, however they're characterizing them

7 at this point.

8 MR. HOLAHAN: Well, that's all

9 right. If you don't feel it's going to be an

10 issue.

11 MS. LAMBERTON: I personally do

12 not.

13 MR. HOLAHAN: Okay.

14 MR. ARMSTRONG: And what I -- I

15 mean, now that I realize that there's a current

16 concern, I guess, when there is something before

17 this board for Kalahari, if the board would like --

18 well, I'm sorry.

19 There is a motion and a second

20 at this point.

21 MS. PICKARD: I'm confused. I

22 would like to know what you were going to say now.

23 MR. ARMSTRONG: What do you

24 mean? The mo -- the motion is -- the motion before

25 the board is the appointment -- or the nomination

6

1 of the chair of the board of supervisors. There's

2 nothing before the board with respect to Kalahari

3 at this point in time, with this motion.

4 In generally -- generally

5 speaking, my understanding was the question as to

6 if there's a conflict with a member of this board

7 and a member needing to recuse themselves from

8 actual action, should they be actually

9 participating in deliberations on the topic. And,

10 you know, I may have said this, but probably not if

11 it's actual significant -- actual deliberations for

12 the point of coming up with an action of the board.

13 If it's informative, you know, I

14 don't know if there's anything preventing a member

15 of the board from participating in informative

16 discussions. But when the board is actually

17 deliberating for the purpose of taking action on a

18 particular item brought before it by -- doesn't

19 have to be Kalahari, could be anyone, you know,

20 they probably should not participate in the active

21 deliberations.

22 MR. HOLAHAN: So what's the

23 difference between deliberation and discussion?

24 MR. ARMSTRONG: That's a good

25 question.

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1 MS. PICKARD: That's what I had

2 asked before.

3 MS. LAMBERTON: Well, I guess

4 my -- my question is the -- really the action of

5 the chair is to run a meeting. That's the only

6 difference between that person and any other

7 member.

8 MR. MOYER: Yeah. The vote

9 would come up anyway really.

10 MS. LAMBERTON: Yeah, which I

11 would -- I would state my ethical obligation if

12 there was one at that point, just like I do now.

13 MR. ARMSTRONG: We're kind of

14 getting off topic, but I'm trying think this

15 through in my head. Deliberation --

16 MS. PICKARD: So when you

17 started to say --

18 MR. ARMSTRONG: Deliberation

19 would be someone -- an applicant comes before this

20 board for action and the board has an active

21 discussion as to okay, well, what are they asking

22 for and describe actually what's before the board.

23 Deliberation would be for an individual on this

24 board that would clearly have a conflict lobbying

25 or trying to push for a certain action --

8

1 MS. LAMBERTON: Sure.

2 MR. ARMSTRONG: -- for purposes

3 of moving forward with that action, with the

4 knowledge that they're going to have to recuse

5 themselves at the time of the vote; that would be,

6 in my mind, inappropriate. And I don't think that

7 happens here, not at least to my understanding.

8 But that's that particular question.

9 MS. PICKARD: Well, you just

10 started to say, I guess we could and then you

11 stopped yourself. And I was just wondering what --

12 where you were going with that.

13 MR. HOLAHAN: That was a while

14 ago.

15 MR. ARMSTRONG: So the

16 nomination, as far as I understand, is for Anne

17 Lamberton to serve as chair. There is a second.

18 Are there any other further

19 comments or questions from the board at this time?

20 Any other comments from the

21 public?

22 Seeing none.

23 All those in favor?

24 MR. KERRICK: Aye.

25 MS. PICKARD: Aye.

9

1 MR. MOYER: Aye.

2 MS. LAMBERTON: I'll abstain.

3 MR. ARMSTRONG: And the ayes

4 were? John Kerrick?

5 MR. KERRICK: Yes.

6 MR. ARMSTRONG: Heidi? Donny?

7 All those opposed?

8 MR. HOLAHAN: Nay.

9 MR. ARMSTRONG: Motion carries.

10 Anne, would you like to take --

11 MS. LAMBERTON: I will take it

12 from here.

13 I'll accept a nomination for a

14 member to serve as vice-chair of the board of

15 supervisors.

16 MS. PICKARD: I'll nominate

17 John Holahan.

18 MS. LAMBERTON: I have a

19 motion.

20 Do I have a second?

21 MR. HOLAHAN: Can I second?

22 I'll second.

23 MS. LAMBERTON: I have a motion

24 and a second.


10

1 the board?

2 Questions or comments from the

3 public?

4 Call the vote. John?

5 MR. KERRICK: Opposed.

6 MS. LAMBERTON: Heidi?

7 MS. PICKARD: I vote in favor.

8 MS. LAMBERTON: Donny?

9 MR. MOYER: Nay.

10 MS. LAMBERTON: John?

11 MR. HOLAHAN: I vote in favor.

12 MS. LAMBERTON: And I will vote

13 no.

14 I'll accept another nomination

15 for the vice-chair for the board of supervisors.

16 MR. KERRICK: Donald Moyer.

17 MR. HOLAHAN: I'll second.


19 and a second.


21 the board?


23 public?

24 Seeing none. Call the vote.

25 John?

11

1 MR. KERRICK: In favor.




5 MR. MOYER: I'll abstain.



8 MS. LAMBERTON: I vote in

9 favor. Motion carries.

10 I'll accept a nomination for an

11 appointment for township secretary.

12 MR. KERRICK: Nominate Phyllis

13 Haase.


15 motion.

16 MS. PICKARD: I second the

17 motion.


19 second.


21 the board?


23 the public?



12




4 MR. MOYER: I'll vote in favor.





9 I'll accept a nomination for an

10 appointment for someone to serve as assistant

11 township secretary; to assist and perform duties of

12 the township secretary in the absence of or

13 disability of the township secretary.

14 MR. KERRICK: Nominate Margie

15 Argot.

16 MS. LAMBERTON: I have a motion.

17 MS. PICKARD: I'll second.


19 and a second for Margie Argot.


21 the board?


23 the public?



13


2 MS. PICKARD: Vote in favor.


4 MR. MOYER: I vote in favor.





9 I will accept a nomination to

10 appoint someone to serve as the township treasurer.

11 MR. KERRICK: Nominate Heidi

12 Pickard.


14 motion.



17 and a second.


19 the board?

20 Questions or comment from the

21 public?




25 MS. PICKARD: I'll abstain.

14







7 I will accept a nomination for

8 an appointment for the assistant township

9 treasurer.


11 Janice Finnochio.


13 motion.

14 MR. KERRICK: Second.


16 second.


18 board?


20 public?






15







7 serve as the chief administrator of the township

8 nonuniformed pension plan.


10 Haase.

11 MS. PICKARD: I'll second.


13 and a second.


15 board?


17 public?

18 Seeing none.








16



3 favor. Motion carried.


5 appoint someone to serve as the township emergency

6 management deputy.

7 MR. KERRICK: Deputy or --

8 MS. PICKARD: Deputy or the --

9 MS. LAMBERTON: Oh, emergency

10 management. I apologize.

11 MS. PICKARD: I'll nominate --

12 MS. LAMBERTON: Emergency

13 management coordinator. I apologize.

14 MS. PICKARD: I'll nominate Ed

15 Tutrone.

16 MR. KERRICK: I'll second that.


18 nomination and a motion and a second.


20 the board?


22 public?

23 Seeing none.



17










10 an appointment for the township emergency

11 management deputy.

12 MR. KERRICK: Nominate John

13 Holahan.


15 motion.

16 MR. MOYER: Second.


18 second.


20 the board?

21 MR. HOLAHAN: Yeah, I do.

22 Phyllis is the current emergency

23 management deputy and I would suggest that Phyllis

24 continue in that.

25 MR. KERRICK: My paper here

18

1 says your name, John.

2 MR. MOYER: Yeah, that's what I

3 had.

4 MS. PICKARD: It was changed

5 when we --

6 MR. HOLAHAN: That was last

7 year and then we switched it during the year.

8 MR. KERRICK: I apologize. I

9 rescind my motion.

10 MR. HOLAHAN: Yes.

11 MR. MOYER: I'll rescind my

12 second.

13 MR. KERRICK: I'll nominate

14 Phyllis.

15 MR. MOYER: And I'll second

16 again. I think I second that.

17 MS. LAMBERTON: Motion and a

18 second.


20 board?


22 public?

23 Seeing none.

24 John, call the vote?


19










10 someone to serve as a township representative to

11 the Pocono Mountain Regional Police Commission.

12 MS. HAASE: We skipped No. 12.

13 MS. LAMBERTON: I will accept a

14 nomination to appoint someone to serve as the

15 township safety coordinator.

16 MR. KERRICK: I nominate

17 Phyllis Haase.

18 MS. PICKARD: Second.


20 and a second.


22 the board?


24 public?

25 Seeing none.

20









9 MS. LAMBERTON: I vote in favor.

10 Motion carried.

11 I'll accept a nomination to

12 appoint someone to act as the township supervisor

13 to serve as the township representative to the

14 Pocono Mountain Regional Police Commission.

15 MR. KERRICK: I'd like to put

16 13, 14 and 15 together and nominate Anne Lamberton,

17 Donald Moyer and Dave Moyer.


19 motion.



22 second.


24 the board?

25 MS. PICKARD: Shouldn't they be

21

1 separate motions?

2 MR. HOLAHAN: Yep, I want them

3 separate motions as well. I speak against the

4 motion.

5 MS. LAMBERTON: Okay.

6 MR. KERRICK: Let's vote on it.

7 MS. LAMBERTON: It looks like

8 you could --

9 MR. HOLAHAN: I'm just speaking

10 against the motion.

11 MS. LAMBERTON: Okay. So --

12 MR. ARMSTRONG: My

13 understanding is it's just against --

14 MS. LAMBERTON: Take them

15 individually.

16 MR. ARMSTRONG: -- putting them

17 all together. Take them individually.

18 MS. LAMBERTON: John, if that is

19 okay with you, we'll take it individually?

20 MR. KERRICK: I don't see what

21 the issue is, but no problem.

22 MS. LAMBERTON: I could see

23 where you could take 13 and 14 and then the third

24 is a resident, if you'd like to do it --

25 MR. KERRICK: I'll do one at a

22

1 time.

2 MS. LAMBERTON: Okay. I would

3 accept a --

4 MR. KERRICK: I'll start with

5 Anne Lamberton.

6 MS. LAMBERTON: Okay. I have a

7 motion.



10 and a second.


12 the board?


14 the public?

15 Seeing none.








23 MR. HOLAHAN: I vote in

24 opposition.

25 MS. LAMBERTON: And I will

23

1 abstain. Motion carries.


3 appoint a township supervisor or township manager

4 to serve as a township representative to the Pocono

5 Mountain Regional Police Commission.

6 MR. KERRICK: I nominate Donald

7 Moyer.

8 MS. PICKARD: I'll second the

9 motion.


11 and a second.


13 the board?


15 public?

16 Seeing none.






22 MR. MOYER: I'll abstain.




24


2 appoint a resident/taxpayer to serve -- Tobyhanna

3 Township resident/taxpayer to serve as a township

4 representative to the Pocono Mountain Regional

5 Police Commission.

6 MR. KERRICK: Nominate Dave

7 Moyer.


9 motion.



12 second.


14 the board?


16 public?

17 Seeing none.


19 MR. KERRICK: In favor







25




4 appoint a member of the board of supervisors to

5 serve as a township representative for the Pocono

6 Mountain Council of Government.

7 MR. KERRICK: Anne Lamberton.



10 and a second.


12 the board?


14 the public?

15 Seeing none.









24 MS. LAMBERTON: I will abstain.

25 Motion carries.

26

1 MR. MOYER: Do we have to do

2 alternates for that?

3 MS. LAMBERTON: Oh, yeah. Don't

4 we have to have alternates? Didn't we make the

5 whole board --

6 MS. PICKARD: It's on the next

7 page.

8 MR. MOYER: It is on the next

9 page.

10 MS. HAASE: You have to

11 designate one.

12 MS. PICKARD: We had it in the

13 bylaws --

14 MS. LAMBERTON: That we can't

15 do that.


17 appoint a member of the board of supervisors to

18 serve as an alternate township representative to

19 the Pocono Mountain Council of Government.

20 MR. MOYER: I'll nominate Heidi

21 Pickard.


23 motion.

24 Do I have a second?


27


2 and a second.


4 board?


6 public?

7 Seeing none.





12 MS. LAMBERTON: Gracefully?

13 Donny?






19 It's me and you, Heidi.


21 appoint a township supervisor to serve as a

22 representative to Pocono Mountain Regional

23 Emergency Medical Services.

24 MR. KERRICK: Nominate Heidi

25 Pickard.

28



3 and a second.

4 Any questions or comment from

5 the board?


7 public?

8 Seeing none.













21 representative to the Top of the Mountain Open

22 Space Advisory Committee.

23 MR. MOYER: I'll vote --

24 MR. KERRICK: Heidi --

25 MR. MOYER: Go ahead, John.

29

1 MR. KERRICK: Heidi Pickard.


3 motion.



6 and a second.


8 the board?


10 public.

11 Seeing none.












23 appoint someone to serve as open records officer in

24 accordance with the Pennsylvania Right-To-Know Law.


30

1 Haase.


3 motion.

4 MR. HOLAHAN: I have a second.

5 MS. HAASE: If I can just

6 interject. The officer was appointed to Heidi and

7 I was the deputy in the past.

8 MR. KERRICK: I'm sorry. I'm

9 going off what we had. Apologize.

10 MS. LAMBERTON: Yeah, mine's

11 backwards too.

12 MR. KERRICK: Withdraw my

13 motion and --

14 MS. HAASE: No. 19 on 2015 has

15 Heidi as the open records officer.

16 MS. PICKARD: Yeah, the numbers

17 are --

18 MS. LAMBERTON: Oh, I was with

19 you, John. Sorry about that. Okay. So we're

20 going to amend your motion, John?

21 MR. KERRICK: Yeah. Whoever

22 did the second, if they amend it, I'll amend it to

23 Heidi.

24 MR. HOLAHAN: I accept that

25 amendment.

31

1 MR. MOYER: I'll amend my

2 second.

3 MS. LAMBERTON: Motion and a

4 second amended to state Heidi Pickard.

5 MR. MOYER: Are these numbers

6 all the way off?

7 MS. LAMBERTON: I don't know.

8 I think so, I think we're good.

9 MS. HAASE: They're off because

10 we had to add an alternate --

11 MR. MOYER: Okay.

12 MS. HAASE: -- that's why it's

13 off.

14 MS. LAMBERTON: Thank you.

15 Okay.

16 MR. MOYER: All right. Got it.


18 and a second.


20 the board?


22 public?

23 Seeing none.



32









9 I'll accept a nomination to --

10 where's the deputy --

11 MS. PICKARD: Assistant.

12 MS. LAMBERTON: Oh, the

13 assistant, okay. I'm looking for deputy.

14 MS. HAASE: Sorry.

15 MS. LAMBERTON: That's okay.


17 appoint someone to serve as an assistant open

18 records officer in accordance with the Pennsylvania

19 Right-to-Know Law.


21 Phyllis Haase.


23 motion.


25 MS. LAMBERTON: And a second.

33


2 the board?


4 public?

5 Seeing none.













18 representative to the Monroe County Tax Collection

19 Committee.

20 MR. KERRICK: I'll appoint

21 Heidi Pickard.


23 MR. KERRICK: Or nominate,

24 excuse me.


34


2 Motion and a second.


4 the board?


6 the public?

7 Seeing none.












19 appoint someone to serve as the chair of the

20 vacancy board.

21 MR. KERRICK: Nominate Mark

22 Argot.


24 motion.


35


2 Any questions or comments?

3 Has he been asked, do we know

4 or --

5 MS. HAASE: He has been in this

6 position for 10 years.

7 MS. LAMBERTON: Forever, okay.

8 I didn't know if that's something we needed to ask

9 him.

10 MR. MOYER: I don't know if we

11 ever ask him.

12 MS. LAMBERTON: I don't know if

13 we ever ask him.


15 the board?


17 public?

18 Seeing none.


20 MR. KERRICK: Vote in favor.






36



3 Motion carries.


5 appoint someone as recording secretary to the board

6 of supervisors.


8 Panko Recording (sic).



11 and a second.


13 the board?


15 public?

16 Seeing none.










37



3 appoint someone to act as the township solicitor

4 and I guess we would state their rate at the time

5 of nominating someone.

6 MR. KERRICK: I nominate Grim,

7 Beef and Thatcher -- Biehn and Thatcher, excuse me.



10 nomination and a second.

11 Am I assuming that -- I saw that

12 -- your email, Patrick, your rate will remain the

13 same?

14 MR. ARMSTRONG: That's correct.

15 MS. HAASE: That would be 155.

16 MS. LAMBERTON: 155 per hour and

17 not per meeting?

18 MR. ARMSTRONG: Correct.

19 MS. LAMBERTON: Any questions

20 or comments from the board?

21 MS. PICKARD: Do we need that

22 for litigation and land development rates?

23 MS. LAMBERTON: I did see

24 different numbers on --

25 MS. PICKARD: Yeah.

38

1 MS. LAMBERTON: -- on the

2 email.

3 MS. HAASE: The land

4 development would be 26, planning commission --

5 MS. PICKARD: Okay.

6 MS. LAMBERTON: Very good.

7 Anything else, Heidi?

8 MS. PICKARD: No.

9 MS. LAMBERTON: Any questions

10 or comments from the public?

11 Seeing none.








19 MR. HOLAHAN: I vote in favor




23 appoint a firm to act as the township planning

24 commission solicitor.

25 MR. KERRICK: I'll appoint

39

1 Grim, Biehn and Thatcher.

2 MS. PICKARD: I second the

3 motion.


5 and a second.


7 the board?

8 MS. PICKARD: Just that that's

9 also 155.

10 MS. LAMBERTON: We're going to

11 do the 155 an hour, at --

12 MS. HAASE: That is at 180, is

13 the planning commission, correct?

14 MS. PICKARD: For land

15 development.

16 MR. ARMSTRONG: No. The way --

17 the way our fee has been since we've been here is,

18 there's a general municipal rate, which is 155, and

19 then the -- the one --

20 Is it 180?

21 MS. HAASE: Umm-hmm.

22 MR. ARMSTRONG: The 180 is for

23 real estate related matters.

24 MR. MOYER: Oh.

25 MS. HAASE: Okay.

40

1 MR. ARMSTRONG: But when we're

2 talking general municipal law, it's 155.


4 So we're all clear, it's at the

5 155?

6 MR. MOYER: Yep


8 Any other questions and comments

9 from the board?


11 public?

12 Seeing none.











23 I'll entertain a motion

24 establishing the payment of employee salaries and

25 wages on a biweekly basis.

41

1 MR. KERRICK: So moved.


3 motion.



6 and a second.

7 Questions and comments from the

8 board?

9 Questions and comment from the

10 public?

11 Seeing none.












23 establishing the 2016 holiday schedule for township

24 employees.

25 MR. KERRICK: So moved.

42


2 motion. I'll second their holiday schedule.

3 MR. MOYER: Okay. Sorry.

4 MS. LAMBERTON: That's okay.

5 I have a motion and second.


7 the board?


9 public?

10 Seeing none.











21 I will entertain a motion

22 establishing the tax assessor's bond at $40,000 per

23 year.

24 MS. PICKARD: Make that motion.


43

1 motion.



4 and a second.


6 the board?


8 public?

9 Seeing none.












21 establishing the 2016 mileage rate.

22 MR. MOYER: Now, that's the

23 same as the IR --

24 MS. PICKARD: Yes, we use the

25 IRS, which is reduced this year. It's going down

44

1 to --

2 MR. HOLAHAN: It's 54 cents.

3 MS. PICKARD: -- 54 cents.

4 MR. MOYER: Fifty-four, it went

5 down.

6 MS. LAMBERTON: Fifty-four cents

7 a mile.

8 MS. PICKARD: Did you make that

9 motion, Donny?

10 MR. MOYER: Yeah.

11 MS. PICKARD: I'll second the

12 motion.


14 and a second.


16 the board?


18 public?

19 Seeing none.







45





5 Are these motions that are

6 needed to certify --


8 MS. LAMBERTON: -- the five

9 township board of supervisors and the township

10 managers?

11 I'll accept a motion to certify

12 the five township board of supervisors, township

13 manager and township solicitor as delegates to the

14 Pennsylvania Township Supervisors 2016 Annual

15 Convention.

16 MR. MOYER: So moved.



19 and a second.


21 board?


23 public?

24 Seeing none.


46




4 MS. LAMBERTON: Don?






10 I'll entertain a motion to

11 certify that someone serves as the voting delegate

12 to the Pennsylvania State Association of Township

13 Supervisors 2016 Annual Convention.

14 MR. HOLAHAN: Make a motion

15 Anne Lamberton.


17 MS. LAMBERTON: I -- I would --

18 I would like to not change your motion, but I'm not

19 sure if I'm going to be attending, so --

20 MR. MOYER: Heidi.

21 MS. LAMBERTON: If I know you

22 or Heidi would be --

23 MR. MOYER: Heidi can do that,

24 right?

25 MR. HOLAHAN: I'll withdraw my

47

1 motion and offer a new motion to appoint Heidi.



4 and a second.


6 the board?


8 public?

9 Seeing none.











20 I'll accept a motion to approve

21 agreement to retain Brian Oram, PG for the year

22 2016 as professional soil scientist for the

23 township at the rates set forth in the agreement.

24 MR. MOYER: Is that the same

25 one we've been with?

48


2 MR. MOYER: Okay.

3 I'll make that motion.



6 and a second.


8 the board?

9 MR. HOLAHAN: Yes. Are we

10 going to refer to their letter to us establishing

11 the rates of -- as they've outlined 125, 135, 55 --

12 and 55 cents a mile? Is that what we're using?

13 MS. LAMBERTON: Yes.

14 MR. HOLAHAN: Okay.

15 MS. LAMBERTON: I'll add that

16 to your motion, will you --

17 MR. KERRICK: I'll add that to

18 my second.

19 MS. LAMBERTON: And you'll amend

20 your motion to include those rates?

21 MR. MOYER: Do we want to set

22 the 55 cents to the 54?

23 MR. HOLAHAN: Well, it's 55.5,

24 is what they want.

25 MR. MOYER: Oh, okay.

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1 MS. LAMBERTON: Theirs is

2 separate.

3 MS. PICKARD: That's what

4 they're charging.

5 MR. MOYER: It's different,

6 okay.

7 MS. LAMBERTON: That's what

8 they're charging.

9 MR. MOYER: Got it.

10 MS. LAMBERTON: Okay?

11 Any other questions or comments

12 from the board?


14 public?

15 Seeing none.











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1 Last page. I'll entertain a

2 motion to approve L&V Engineering proposal for

3 traffic engineering services as an -- on an

4 as-needed basis for the year 2016.

5 MR. MOYER: So moved.



8 and a second.


10 board?

11 MS. PICKARD: Just to note that

12 it's $90 per hour per staff member and data

13 collection $50 per hour and mileage at 58 cents.

14 MR. KERRICK: Fifty-eight?


16 MR. MOYER: It's 90, you said?

17 MS. PICKARD: $90 an hour.

18 MS. LAMBERTON: You amend our

19 motion to include those rates?

20 MR. KERRICK: I'll amend my

21 second.

22 MS. LAMBERTON: You amend your

23 motion, Don?

24 MR. MOYER: I do.


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1 I have a motion and a second.

2 Any other questions or comments

3 from the board?


5 public?

6 Seeing none.










16 Motion carries.

17 Ill entertain a motion to

18 approve someone for proposal for alternate township

19 engineering services.

20 MR. HOLAHAN: I make a motion

21 that we retain RETTEW as the alternate, the rates

22 are a hundred and fifty dollars regardless of

23 length of meeting, capped at a hundred and thirty

24 dollars an hour.


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2 and a second.


4 the board?

5 MS. PICKARD: Was that the only

6 proposal we had?

7 MS. HAASE: We did receive a

8 proposal from T&M. Riley Associates was asked, we

9 did not receive anything back from them.

10 MS. LAMBERTON: Any other

11 questions or comments?


13 the public?

14 Seeing none.



17 MS. LAMBERTON: Don -- or

18 Heidi?








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2 appoint someone as an alternate sewage enforcement

3 officer for the year 2016.

4 MR. HOLAHAN: Make a motion

5 that we appoint Jeryl Rinehart.




9 and a second.


11 the board?


13 public?

14 Seeing none.




18 MR. CHAD KNECHT: Annie?


20 MS. LAMBERTON: Oh, I am so

21 sorry.

22 MR. CHAD KNECHT: That's okay.

23 MS. LAMBERTON: I didn't see

24 you.

25 MR. CHAD KNECHT: Chad Knecht,

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1 Pocono Pines.

2 Is there another person that you

3 can appoint besides Jeryl, like a third one?

4 MS. LAMBERTON: Like a third

5 alternate if Jeryl is not available, is that

6 your --

7 MS. PICKARD: She has conflicts

8 'cause she does a lot of the work, but we don't

9 have anybody else, I don't think.

10 MR. CHAD KNECHT: A third one

11 for that 'cause Maureen can't --

12 MS. PICKARD: I know you have

13 prob -- you know.

14 MR. KERRICK: What does she do,

15 designs?

16 MS. PICKARD: Yeah, she does a

17 lot of designs.

18 MR. KERRICK: Then she can't.

19 MR MOYER: Do you have anybody?

20 MR. KERRICK: She does designs

21 for you?

22 MS. LAMBERTON: Well, we have

23 Maureen.

24 MS. HAASE: We have Maureen and

25 I believe we've only called Jeryl in once this

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1 year. I certainly can look for --

2 MS. LAMBERTON: Well, who was

3 --

4 MR. CHAD KNECHT: What about,

5 would Terry Martin be able to do it?

6 MS. LAMBERTON: Is he an SEO?

7 MS. HAASE: I don't know.

8 MR. CHAD KNECHT: He does

9 designs.

10 MS. LAMBERTON: Do you have to

11 have this SEO? I'm not sure.

12 MR. MOYER: He already does

13 engineering, right? Who is he with?

14 MR. KERRICK: Himself.

15 MS. LAMBERTON: Yeah, Martin &

16 Robbins.

17 MR. MOYER: Okay.

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