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The Development of Large-Area Thin Planar Psec Photodetectors. Henry Frisch, Enrico Fermi Institute and ANL. The Large-Area Psec Photo-detector Collaboration. 3 National Labs +SSL, 6 Divisions at Argonne, 3 US small companies; electronics expertise at Universities of Chicago and Hawaii - PowerPoint PPT Presentation

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The Development of Large-The Development of Large-Area Thin Planar Psec Area Thin Planar Psec

PhotodetectorsPhotodetectorsHenry Frisch, Henry Frisch, Enrico Fermi Institute and ANL Enrico Fermi Institute and ANL

Fermi Institute Colloquium

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04/20/23 2BNL Colloquium

The Large-Area Psec Photo-The Large-Area Psec Photo-detector Collaborationdetector Collaboration

3 National Labs +SSL, 6 Divisions at Argonne, 3 US small companies; electronics expertise at Universities of Chicago and HawaiiGoal of 3-year R&D- commercializable modules.

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04/20/23 3Fermi Institute Colloquium

4 Groups4 Groups + + Integration and Management Integration and Management

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04/20/23 4

Parallel Efforts on Specific Parallel Efforts on Specific ApplicationsApplications

..

LAPD Detector Development

PET(UC/BSD,

UCB, Lyon,Strasbo

urg)

Collider(UC,

ANL,Saclay.

Mass Spec

Andy Davis, Mike Pellin, Eric Oberla

Non-proliferati

onLBNL,ANL,UC

Drawing Not To Scale (!)

ANL,Arradiance,Chicago,Fermilab, Hawaii,Muons,Inc,SLAC,SSL/UCB, Synkera, U. Wash.

Explicit strategy for staying on task

All these need work- naturally tend to lag the reality of the detector development

Neutrinos

(Matt, Mayly, Bob, John, ..;

Zelimir)

Muon Cooli

ngMuons,Inc

(SBIR)

K->Wah?

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04/20/23 5

1.Large-Area Low-Cost Photodetectors with good correlated time and space resolution (target 10 $/sq-in incremental areal cost)

2.Large-Area TOF particle/photon detectors with psec time resolution ( < 1psec at 100 p.e.)

3.Understanding photocathodes so that we can reliably make high QE, tailor the spectral response, and develop new materials and geometries (QE > 50%?, public formula)

Fermi Institute Colloquium

Three Goals of a New Three Goals of a New (1.9 yr-old) (1.9 yr-old)

Collaborative Effort:Collaborative Effort:

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04/20/23 6Fermi Institute Colloquium

MCP development- use modern fabrication MCP development- use modern fabrication processes to control emissivities, processes to control emissivities, resistivities, out-gassingresistivities, out-gassing

Use Atomic Layer Deposition for emissive materialUse Atomic Layer Deposition for emissive material

Readout: Use transmission lines and Readout: Use transmission lines and modern chip technologies for high speed modern chip technologies for high speed cheap low-power high-density readout.cheap low-power high-density readout.

Anode is 50-ohm stripline. Scalable up to many feet in Anode is 50-ohm stripline. Scalable up to many feet in length ; readout 2 ends; CMOS wave-form samplinglength ; readout 2 ends; CMOS wave-form sampling

Use computational advances -simulation Use computational advances -simulation as basis for `rational design’ of as basis for `rational design’ of materials and devicesmaterials and devices

Modern computing tools allow simulation at level of basic Modern computing tools allow simulation at level of basic processes- validate with data. processes- validate with data.

Detector Development- 3 Detector Development- 3 ProngsProngs

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04/20/23 7Fermi Institute Colloquium

The 24”x16” The 24”x16” `SuperModule`SuperModule

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Sealed Tube (Tile) Sealed Tube (Tile) ConstructionConstruction

04/20/23 8Fermi Institute Colloquium

•All (cheap) glass•Anode is silk-screened•No pins, penetrations•No internal connections•Anode determines locations (i.e. no mech tolerancing for position resolution)•Fastens with double-sticky to readout Tray: so can tile different length strings, areas•Tile Factory in works (ANL)

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04/20/23 9Fermi Institute Colloquium

Atomic Layer Deposition Atomic Layer Deposition (ALD) Thin Film Coating (ALD) Thin Film Coating

TechnologyTechnology

Atomic level thickness controlDeposit nearly any materialPrecise coatings on 3-D objects (JE)

Jeff Elam pictures

•Lots of possible materials => much room for higher performance

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04/20/23 10Fermi Institute Colloquium

High (multi-GHz) ABW High (multi-GHz) ABW readoutreadout

Note signal is differential between ground (inside, top), and PC traces (outside)

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Godparent review meeting

201111

•Laser setup improvement:•Cleaner UV beam•laser power monitoring•Position scanAbsolute laser arrival time on MCP (in progress)

•MCP testing setup•MCP testing setup

Matt Wetstein Slide(EFI/ANL)-fs laser at APS

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•Argonne National Laboratory Scientific Glassblowing Facility•12

Completed Lower Anode Seal

Status of the Tiles

Frit work by Joe Gregar (ANL)- ALD by Anil Mane, Qing Peng, and Jeff Elam. Design by Rich Northrop (EFI)

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Godparent review meeting

201113

•Gain measurements:•Gain measurements:•UV lamp•Characterization of mock tile MCPs gain

Matt Wetstein Slide(EFI/ANL)-fs laser at APS

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April 28th, 2011 Timing Workshop, Chicago

How is timing resolution How is timing resolution affected?affected?

dBs ffU

ut

33

1

U u fs f3db t100 mV 1 mV 2 GSPS 300 MHz ∼10 ps

1 V 1 mV 2 GSPS 300 MHz 1 ps

100 mV 1 mV 20 GSPS 3 GHz 0.7 ps

1V 1 mV 10 GSPS 3 GHz 0.1 ps

•today:

•optimized SNR:

•next generation:

•includes detector noise in the frequency region of the rise time

•and aperture jitter

•next generation•optimized SNR:

•How to achieve this?

•Assumes zeroaperture jitter

Stefan Ritt slideUC workshop 4/11

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PSEC3 ASICPSEC3 ASIC

04/20/23 15Fermi Institute Colloquium

•130nm IBM 8RF Process•This chip 4 channels, 256 deep analog ring buffer•Sampling tested at (almost) 18 GS/sec•Each channel has its own ADC- 10 bits effective• Fastest waveform sampling chip by a factor of ~3

Chicago- Hawaii: Eric Oberla, Herve Grabas

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04/20/23 16Fermi Institute Colloquium

PSEC3 Waveform PSEC3 Waveform Sampling ASICSampling ASIC

Linearity

Sampling Rate

Looks really good, frankly…already meets 3 of Stefan’s 4 criteria. Some glitches, and we can up performance even more: Next submission is May 9th

Made (sic) in our own EDG

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04/20/23 17Fermi Institute Colloquium

Fabricated per unit cost estimates

30 1000 3000 10,000 100,000

Window (1@) $18 13 11 10 8

Side wall (1@) $78 55 52 48 40

Base plate (1@) $20 13 11 10 8

Rod Spacers (75@) $7 3 2 1.20 .80

Total $641 $306 $224 $158 $116

The above prices are for water jet cut B33 glass, tol. +- 0.010, except rod spacers +000 -0.004

---------Quotations--------- -----------------------Cost estimates----------------------

8” Glass Package Component Costs

To this add 2 8” plates (@250?), ALD (Bulk), PC, assembly

Rich Northrop

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At colliders we measure the 3-momenta of At colliders we measure the 3-momenta of hadrons, but can’t follow the flavor-flow of hadrons, but can’t follow the flavor-flow of quarks,quarks, the primarythe primary objectsobjects that are colliding. 2-orders-of- that are colliding. 2-orders-of-magnitude in time resolution would all us to magnitude in time resolution would all us to measure measure ALLALL the information=>greatly enhanced the information=>greatly enhanced discovery potential.discovery potential.

Application to Application to CollidersColliders

t-tbar -> W+bW-

bbar-> e+ nu+c+sbar+b+bbar

Specs:Signal: 50-10,000 photonsSpace resolution: 1 mmTime resolution 1 psecCost: <100K$/m2:

A real top candidate event from CDF- has top, antitop, each decaying into a W-boson and a b or antib. Goal- identify the quarks that make the jets. (explain why…)

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New Idea (?)-New Idea (?)-Differential TOFDifferential TOF

Rather than use the Start time of the collision, measure the difference in arrival times at the beta=c particles (photons, electrons and identified muons) and the hadrons, which arrive a few psec later.

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04/20/23 20Fermi Institute Colloquium

Application 2- Neutrino Application 2- Neutrino PhysicsPhysics

Spec: signal single photon, 100 ps time, 1 cm Spec: signal single photon, 100 ps time, 1 cm space, low cost/m2 (5-10K$/m2)*space, low cost/m2 (5-10K$/m2)*

(Howard Nicholson)

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New Idea:Hi-res HNew Idea:Hi-res H22O O Spatial Res of <1cm plus >50% Spatial Res of <1cm plus >50%

coverage would allow working close coverage would allow working close to the walls => greater Fid/Tot ratio;to the walls => greater Fid/Tot ratio;

Also would make curve of Fid/Tot Also would make curve of Fid/Tot flatter wrt to symmetry- could make flatter wrt to symmetry- could make a high, long, narrow (book-on-end) a high, long, narrow (book-on-end) detector at smaller loss of F/T;detector at smaller loss of F/T;

Cavern height cheaper than width; Cavern height cheaper than width; robust tubes can stand more robust tubes can stand more pressurepressure

Narrow may allow magnetic field (!)Narrow may allow magnetic field (!)

04/20/23 21Fermi Institute Colloquium

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New idea: Hi-Res HNew idea: Hi-Res H220-0-continuedcontinued

100 psec time resolution is 3cm space 100 psec time resolution is 3cm space resolution ALONG photon direction;resolution ALONG photon direction;

Transverse resolution on each photon Transverse resolution on each photon should be sub-cm;should be sub-cm;

Question- can one reconstruct tracks?Question- can one reconstruct tracks? Question- can one reconstruct Question- can one reconstruct

vertices?vertices? Question- can one distinguish a pizero Question- can one distinguish a pizero

from an electron and 2 vertices from from an electron and 2 vertices from one? (4 tracks vs 1 too)one? (4 tracks vs 1 too)

04/20/23 22Fermi Institute Colloquium

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Question: Can we reconstruct the first 3 Question: Can we reconstruct the first 3 radiation lengths of an event with radiation lengths of an event with resolution ~1/10 of a radiation length?resolution ~1/10 of a radiation length?

Handles on pizero-electron separation: 2 vs Handles on pizero-electron separation: 2 vs 1 vertices; no track vs 1 track between 1 vertices; no track vs 1 track between primary vertex and first photon conversion; primary vertex and first photon conversion; 2 tracks (twice the photons) from the 2 2 tracks (twice the photons) from the 2 conversion vertices; conversion vertices;

Know photon angle, lots of photons-fit to Know photon angle, lots of photons-fit to counter dispersion, scattering;counter dispersion, scattering;

Book-on-end aspect ratio helps against Book-on-end aspect ratio helps against dispersion, scattering-have to look at whole dispersion, scattering-have to look at whole picture.picture.

04/20/23 23Fermi Institute Colloquium

New idea: Hi-Res H20-continued

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•LDRD Proposal Prototype of a Large-Area Picosecond Photosensor-based Detector

•Zelimir Djurcic, Marcel Demarteau, Henry Frisch, Mayly Sanchez, Matt Zelimir Djurcic, Marcel Demarteau, Henry Frisch, Mayly Sanchez, Matt WetsteinWetstein

•HEP

•Problem•-with novel detector applications one has to improve • performance by increasing the detector coverage, • granularity, timing resolution and quantum • efficiency and/or reduce the cost of technology.

•Approach•-use Large Area Photo-Detectors (LAPD) currently• under development at ANL/UC: MCP-based, • potentially cheap, scalable, flat panel photo-detectors • with a high precision time and spatial resolution.

•Goal•-first application of LAPD-based detector in a liquid• scintillator (LS), water, and water-based LS • detector.

•-Example of basic science • i.e. neutrino physics: •future LBNE Experiment

Zelimir slide

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•LDRD Goals•-1st year: characterize and design LAPD-based detector: simulate and quantify the benefits of a precise position and time resolution, understand particle ID and background rejection capabilities. •-2nd year: LAPD module available, start building a prototype of LAPD based detector: understand the LAPD module/liquid interface, design vessel containment, readout scheme (test wireless).•-3rd year: application and operation of LAPD in LS, water, or water-based LS detector: data analysis and comparison with expectation. •Phased Approach in Technology Development: Beyond LDRD•-Short-term: design, build and operate ~1m3 detector (~3 years). This LDRD.

•-Intermediate-term: build a 20 ton LAPD-based detector (~4-6 years).Future

•Funding. • Application: short-baseline neutrino physics (oscillatio tests and cross-section measurements), LBNE near detector, low-background counting facility (if deep underground), etc.

•-Long-term: large multi-kton detectors. Future Funding. •Application: long-baseline neutrino physics (LBNE far det.), proton decay, super-nova detection.

•~1m3 •~20 ton

•ktons

Zelimir slide

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•Can localize source along line of flight.

•Time of flight information reduces noise in images.

•Variance reduction given by 2D/ct.

•500 ps timing resolution 5x reduction in variance!

•c = 30 cm/ns•500 ps timing resolution

7.5 cm localization

•Time of Flight Provides a Huge Performance Increase!•Largest Improvement in Large Patients

•Time of Flight Provides a Huge Performance Increase!•Largest Improvement in Large Patients

•D

Application 3- Medical Imaging (PET) •Bill Moses Slide

(Lyon)

04/20/23 Fermi Institute Colloquium 26

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Adding Time-of-Flight to Adding Time-of-Flight to ReconstructionReconstruction

Faster Convergence Faster Convergence

•Conventional: •Detected event projected to all voxels between detector pairs

•Lots of coupling between voxels

Many Iterations to Converge

•Time-of-Flight: •Detected event projected only to voxels consistent w/ measured time

•Little coupling between voxels

Few Iterations to Converge

Conventional Time-of-Flight

•Detector

•Height represents weight assigned to each voxel by reconstruction algorithm

•Tomograph Ring

•Bill Moses Slide (Lyon)

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Bill Moses Table/Slide (Lyon)Bill Moses Table/Slide (Lyon)Bill Moses Table/Slide (Lyon)Bill Moses Table/Slide (Lyon)

•Hardware t (ps) TOF Gain•BGO Block Detector 3000 0.8•LSO Block (non-TOF)1400 1.7•LSO Block (TOF) 550 4.2

•LaBr3 Block 350 6.7

•LSO Single Crystal 210 11.1

•LuI3 Single Crystal 125 18.7

•LaBr3 Single Crystal 70 33.3

Improve Limits with New Scintillators?Improve Limits with New Scintillators?

Gain means lower dose rate: additional factor from whole-body coverage vs scanning camera

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04/20/23 29Fermi Institute Colloquium

Application 3- Medical Application 3- Medical Imaging (PET)Imaging (PET)

Depth in crystal by Depth in crystal by time-differencetime-difference

Heejong Kim Heejong

Kim

Can we solve Can we solve the depth-of-the depth-of-interaction interaction problem and problem and also use also use cheaper faster cheaper faster radiators?radiators?

AlternatinAlternating radiator g radiator and cheap and cheap 30-50 psec 30-50 psec planar planar mcp-pmt’s mcp-pmt’s on each on each sideside

Depth in crystal by Depth in crystal by energy- energy- asymmetryasymmetry

Simulations by Simulations by Heejong Kim Heejong Kim (Chicago)(Chicago)

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04/20/23 30Fermi Institute Colloquium

A radical idea driven by A radical idea driven by sampling calorimeters sampling calorimeters

based om thin cheap fast based om thin cheap fast photodetectors with photodetectors with

correlated time and space correlated time and space waveform samplingwaveform sampling

Give up on the 511 KeV energy cut for bkgd Give up on the 511 KeV energy cut for bkgd rejection (!?), Give up on the Compton fraction rejection (!?), Give up on the Compton fraction (!??), and instead use cheaper faster lower-density (!??), and instead use cheaper faster lower-density scintillator, adaptive algorithms, and large-area to scintillator, adaptive algorithms, and large-area to beat down background.beat down background. Question for wkshp- candidate scintillators (Ren-Question for wkshp- candidate scintillators (Ren-yuan suggests BaF2- even lower density yuan suggests BaF2- even lower density candidates?) candidates?)

Alternating radiator Alternating radiator and cheap 30-50 and cheap 30-50 psec thin planar psec thin planar mcp-pmt’s on each mcp-pmt’s on each sideside

0 0.2 0.4 0.6 0.8 1

BGOLuAPLSO

LuYAPGSO

LuI3

BaF2

LaBr3RGB

NaI

LaCl3

Relative EfficiencyS

cin

tilla

tor

Bill Moses (Lyon)

•Both Photons Deposit >350 keV

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04/20/23 31Fermi Institute Colloquium

Application 4- Cherenkov-sensitive Application 4- Cherenkov-sensitive Sampling Quasi- Digital Sampling Quasi- Digital

CalorimetersCalorimeters

A picture of an em shower in a A picture of an em shower in a cloud-chamber with ½” Pb plates cloud-chamber with ½” Pb plates (Rossi, p215- from CY Chao)(Rossi, p215- from CY Chao)

A `cartoon’ of a fixed target geometry A `cartoon’ of a fixed target geometry such as for JPARC’s KL-> pizero such as for JPARC’s KL-> pizero nunubar (at UC, Yao Wah) or LHCbnunubar (at UC, Yao Wah) or LHCb

•IIdea: planes on one side read both Cherenkov and scintillation light- on other only scintillation.

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04/20/23 32Fermi Institute Colloquium

Can one build a `Quasi-digital’ Can one build a `Quasi-digital’ MCP-based Calorimeter?MCP-based Calorimeter?

Electron pattern (not a picture of the plate!)- SSL test, Electron pattern (not a picture of the plate!)- SSL test, Incom substrate, Arradiance ALD. Note you can see the Incom substrate, Arradiance ALD. Note you can see the multi’s in both plates => ~50 micron resolution multi’s in both plates => ~50 micron resolution

Note- at high gain the boundaries of the multi’s go away

Idea: can one saturate pores in the the MCP plate Idea: can one saturate pores in the the MCP plate s.t.output is proportional to number of pores. s.t.output is proportional to number of pores. Transmission line readout gives a cheap way to Transmission line readout gives a cheap way to sample the whole lane with pulse height and sample the whole lane with pulse height and time- get energy flow. time- get energy flow.

Oswald Siegmund, Jason McPhate, Sharon Jelinsky, SSL (UCB)

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More Information:More Information:

04/20/23 33Fermi Institute Colloquium

• Main Page: http://psec.uchicago.edu

• Library: Image Library, Document Library, Year-1 Summary Report, Links to MCP, Photocathode, Materials Literature, etc.;

• Blog: Our log-book- open to all (say yes to certificate Cerberus, etc.)- can keep track of us (at least several companies do);

• Wish us well- goal is in 3 years (2 from now) to have commercializable modules- too late for the 1st round of LBNE, but maybe not too late for a 2nd or 3rd-generation detector.

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ConclusionConclusionss

04/20/23 34Fermi Institute Colloquium

• ANL is amazingly deep in talent and resources

• LAPPD has met 1st and 2nd year milestones• Innovation in lots of areas- detectors,

wave-form sampling, ALD, material science, photocathodes..

• Lots of interest from many areas- TOF at STAR (RHIC), PET, CT (maybe), Reactor Monitoring, HEP neutrino detectors, Mass-spec in Geophysics, …

• Lots of interest, but no money, from mass producers of tubes (tho get lots of help from our collaborating industrial partners)

• EFI plays a very big technical role- the EDG, Rich, machine shop, support staff, space, colleagues…

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04/20/23 35Fermi Institute Colloquium

The End-The End-

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BackupBackup

04/20/23 36Fermi Institute Colloquium

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The Large-Area Psec Photo-detector The Large-Area Psec Photo-detector CollaborationCollaboration

3 National Labs, 6 Divisions at Argonne, 3 US small companies; electronics expertise at UC Berkely, and the Universities of Chicago and HawaiiGoal of 3-year R&D- commercializable modules.

DOE Funded (a little NSF)

Fermi Institute Colloquium

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04/20/23 38Fermi Institute Colloquium

Parallel Efforts on Specific Parallel Efforts on Specific ApplicationsApplications

..

LAPD Detector Development

PET(UC/BSD,

UCB, Lyon)

Collider(UC,

ANL,Saclay.

Mass Spec

Security

(TBD)

Drawing Not To Scale (!)

ANL,Arradiance,Chicago,Fermilab, Hawaii,Muons,Inc,SLAC,SSL/UCB, Synkera, U. Wash.

Explicit strategy for staying on task

All these need work- naturally tend to lag the reality of the detector development

DUSEL

(Matt, Mayly, Bob,

John, ..)

Muon Cooli

ngMuons,Inc

(SBIR)

K->(UC(?))

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04/20/23 39Fermi Institute Colloquium

Put it all together- the Put it all together- the `Frugal’ MCP`Frugal’ MCP

Put all Put all ingredients ingredients together- flat together- flat glass case glass case (think TV’s), (think TV’s), capillary/ALD capillary/ALD amplification, amplification, transmission transmission line anodes, line anodes, waveform waveform samplingsampling

Glass is cheap, Glass is cheap, and they make and they make vacuum tubes vacuum tubes out of it- why out of it- why not MCP’s?not MCP’s?

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04/20/23 40Fermi Institute Colloquium

GodParent Review PanelsGodParent Review Panels•Packaging Group

•MCP Group •Photocathode Group

•Electronics Group

•Karen Byrum•K.Arisaka•J. Elam•D. Ferenc•J.F. Genat•P. Hink•A. Ronzhin

• Bob Wagner

• K.Attenkofer

A. Bross• Z. InsepovA. Tremsin• J. Va’vra

• A. Zinovev

• Gary Varner• J. Buckley• K. Harkay• V. Ivanov

A. Lyashenko• T. Prolier

• M. Wetstein

• Zikri Yusof• B. Adams

• M. Demarteau

• G. Drake• T. Liu

• I. Veryovkin

• S. Ross

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04/20/23 41Fermi Institute Colloquium

•Large Area Photodetector Development Collaboration

Simulation (crosses all groups)Simulation (crosses all groups)Valentin Ivanov, Zeke Insepov, Zeke Yusof, Sergey Valentin Ivanov, Zeke Insepov, Zeke Yusof, Sergey

AntipovAntipov

•41

•10μm pore

•40μm spacing

•Funnel (!)

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04/20/23 42Fermi Institute Colloquium

Advanced Photocathode Advanced Photocathode GroupGroup

III-V have the potential for high III-V have the potential for high QE, shifting toward the blue, and QE, shifting toward the blue, and robustness i.e. they age well, robustness i.e. they age well, high-temp)high-temp)

Opaque PC’s have much higher Opaque PC’s have much higher QE than transmission PC’s- we QE than transmission PC’s- we have the geometryhave the geometry

Many small factors to be gained Many small factors to be gained in absorption, anti-reflection- in absorption, anti-reflection- see papers by Townsend and see papers by Townsend and talk by Fontaine on our web sitetalk by Fontaine on our web site

Quantum Effic. Of 60% have Quantum Effic. Of 60% have been achieved in bialkalisbeen achieved in bialkalis

Moving to understanding the physics

Big payoff if we can get >50% QE robust Photocathodes, and/or more robust (assembly). Also want

to get away from `cooking recipes’ to rational design.

Klaus Attenkofer, Sasha Paramonov, Zikri Yusof, Junqi Xi, Seon Wu Lee, UIUC, WashU, ….

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Some Neutrino-specific Some Neutrino-specific ThoughtsThoughts

04/20/23 43Fermi Institute Colloquium

NEXT STEPS? (needs discussion…)

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Godparent review meeting

201144

•Mock-tile testing:•Mock-tile testing:

•New laser setup, shielding: Inspection by LSO

•High voltage shielding: electrical inspection

•Require ESAF before testing

•Test before DOE review

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Godparent review meeting

201145

•8” chamber•8” chamber

•Design for the 8” plate holder is ready, just need to make them.•Mirror system is coming along

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04/20/23 46Fermi Institute Colloquium

ANL-UC Glass Hermetic Packaging ANL-UC Glass Hermetic Packaging GroupGroup Proceed in 3 steps: 1) hermetic box; Proceed in 3 steps: 1) hermetic box;

2) Add MCP’s, readout, (Au cathode); 2) Add MCP’s, readout, (Au cathode); 3) Add photocathode3) Add photocathode

BoxBox

Box+ 8” MCPsBox+ 8” MCPs

Box+MCP+PCBox+MCP+PC

Yr 1 Yr 2 Yr 3

Possible Au anode

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04/20/23 47Fermi Institute Colloquium

Medical Imaging (PET)-Medical Imaging (PET)-cont.cont.

However- truth in advertising- there is a long way to go (see Bill Moses’s talk at Clermont.) It looks promising, as it may be possible to produce large panels with better spatial and time resolution than possible with photomultipliers, and our initial estimates are that MCP-PMT’s may be as much as a factor of 10 cheaper. However, the development will take a collaborative effort on measurements and simulation (see papers by Heejong Kim et al on web and in this conference). Talks are also underway among Clermont, Strasbourg, Lyon, and Chicago.

Spec: signal 10,000 photons,30 ps Spec: signal 10,000 photons,30 ps time resolution , 1 mm space time resolution , 1 mm space resolution, 30K$/m2, and resolution, 30K$/m2, and commercializable for clinical use.commercializable for clinical use.

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