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gilligan4 says:

Nice Picture Is this made with 3ds max or cinema3d? Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

..Damian.. says:

Or even photoshop.... Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

bark says:

Better, try a bit of motion blur on it. Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

chrisfurniss says:

It is not made with photoshop, but with hopes and dreams. Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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robert_mitchum79 says:

Why does every picture of this thing have trees, a house, powerlines etc ? And the first pic has the corner of the house in it.....If saw somthing like this in the sky and was going to take a picture of it i would at least try to center the object in the frame. FAKE FAKE FAKE....looks cool though. Posted 9 days ago. ( permalink )





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Commentsexitfromreality says:

poor PICT0014, nobody wants to comment on you.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

El Caganer says:

I love you PICT0014! I want to bear your children!Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

my_brain_hurts_now says:

Obvoiusly not as heatedly discussed as other pics.Firstly I would like to say I got here via a link from an adult site aint life a hoot? Secondly I immediately assumed that this was a hoax for the following reasons.a) it looks about a metre across and an attempt has beeen made to juxtapose itagainst a foreground to make it look bigger.b) the pics do not look like they were hurridly taken as they would be if I tookthem.c) something else looked wrong and eventually I realised it was the light andshadow does not match other objects.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )


So now having read the fascinating and rather long debate with the CG guys onone side and the, errr dumbasses on the other I can see it is not a real object atall.I have to say especially to to his detractors I believe this is a pretty good jobperhaps on an industry insider level you can see things which could be donebetter (but you need more time to reproduce) however I actually believed it wasa plastic model suspended in the actual location and then photographed.I believe you when you say it is CG too many compelling arguments not to.But no it is not a poor effort.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

Stormwysper says:

As much as I wish it was some sort of aerial craft (I fall in on the dumbassesside), this thing screams fake. I would love to get the orginal files and read thexref date. And if this guy says he keeps seeing it, howabout using a film camerathat way we could see the negatives? Course since it's fake we know this won'thappenPosted 10 days ago. ( permalink )


StormwysperGeez sorry I take back the unkind "dumbasses" comment I once believed justabout anything was possible including UFO's visiting us and I dont think thatmade me a dumbass, just ill informed.Posted 6 days ago. ( permalink )

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Commentshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/krisstag/ says:

You should work for pixar! Nice model :)Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

fxmodels says:

He isnt good enough for Pixar.. His bright sky would have silhouetted the modelwith any currently made camera. Instead he screwed it up and thought he hadto brighten the model too... This image alone is a dead giveaway without having to examine the modelitself! MarcPosted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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onthefence55 says:

You mean it would be silhouetted just like the electrical pole, trees, and thelamppost??Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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mcgorgomagan says:

yeah i think the sun was behind him, so the bright lighting is okay... if the thingis about 200 feet off the ground. i'm sure ATC would have noticed that.

it's a very detailed model, though. even so aliens have to obey our laws ofphysics, we're in the same universe... if an alien craft wanted to get that close(ie, inside our atmosphere) it would have to be fairly streamlined or else burn upin our atmosphere.

PS I'm assuming you wanted someone to believe you. If not, then, yes, nicemodel. And if you did, it's kind of sad that no-one did, not even for a moment.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )


Actually if you read the comments on the other pics it appears many ppl dobelieve him.

I have tried a bit of 3d (as an amateur) and I know it is a lengthy process tocreate something so detailed so I take my hat off to those ppl who can do thissort of stuff.Posted 10 days ago. ( permalink )

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onthefence55 says:

Why do you think it would burn up in our atmosphere. Just come straight downslowly then slow up near the bottom. If it was ET then it might not have to go asfast as our re-entering rockets/shuttle. The atmosphere is only 150km thick, ifyou could drive a car at 150km/hr (93mi/hr) it would not heat up from friction.So this device might just go at 150km/hr and take one hour to get to thesurface.Posted 9 days ago. ( permalink )


to stay in obit a craft must travel aprox 18000 mph, slow down incorrectly andyou either plung into the atmosphere and burn up or skip off it like a stone on apond.is it possible to aproach the atmosphere at right angles at 150 kph?It may be possible to carry a heat shield and dump it afterward that soundsmore likely, NASA have done that.anyway I think mcgorgomagan's point was the craft is a fanciful creation ratherthan a practical onePosted 6 days ago. ( permalink )




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Commentseileenscrill says:

Light source looks horribly off on this one...Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

http://www.flickr.com/photos/icwiz/ says:

Do you remember if any part of the craft was moving (like the center hub)Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

m1dlg says:

this is a poor quality photoshop jobPosted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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eratozee says:

The long arm has no shadow on the underside ring comparable to the shadowson the telephone pole.

Yet the guy is getting play from talk show hosts like George Norey, who mustbe taking this for a ride for the ratings.

yawn......Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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schkz says:

this photo look like quite genuine , but there is something spookie on it , thelower voltage cable , the thick one , look like in the juction with that ufo verydiminshed in thickness , and also it give the appearance that is behind the ufo.if so , this photo is a very good fakePosted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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onthefence55 says:

"the lower voltage cable" is wrapped around a supporting cable. Look at thehires image (click All-Sizes above). This seems normal.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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L.Arkwright says:

To Rajman: Largest version of this I can download is 1024x768, I assume theoriginals are bigger (1600x1200)? Could you upload them, it would be greatlyappreacited. *thank you*Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

phdstudent says:

It is possible to make 3d models look properly lit in a digital camera shot usingHDR. An example of a model from Half life 2.

--Seen on your photo stream. (?)Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

lars 5 says:

i don't believe it... the website linked in the comments of the next picture claimsthat the craft is often seen by many people in the community... all you have todo is go on a hike and wait... so where's the videos?Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

My Secret Agent Lover Man says:

Even if this is a fake...what the hell is that thingPosted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )



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nickb says:

It's viral campaign for Transformers movie.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

explosivelimes says:

Something to note: A few of the characters on the underside of this computermodel match the Klingon language. Reference for that can be found here:

www.kli.org/tlh/pIqaD.html

Most noticable is the 'w' Klingon character.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )


The letters can be seen better on the older version of the 3D model found here:

www.coasttocoastam.com/gen/page2022.html?theme=lightPosted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

Octal Khan says:

CG geeks can't resist putting Aurebesh or Klingon all over everything :)Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

geoff pedder says:

nice 3d render but the scale is blown by having too much occlusion and nodescernable shadows like the pole. It looks like it's 4 foot wide. You could alsoadd more atmospheric haze to push it back and make it look bigger.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

weedymedusa says:

klingon has been pointed to a million times. strangely, no one cares (or is ableto) decipher it. Why would the hoaxer use klingon? the hoax would then beobvious--klingons are fiction.

see my comment on the 100 comments thing about the transformers movie.not.

edited to say I think this is a poorly executed hoax. i just don;t think it's thetransformers or klingon script. If you really do--translate it.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

alburyphotog says:

liesPosted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

weedymedusa says:

wow, how profound and interesting, albury.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )


Yeah, I've read that others think it's the same symbols as what's on theTransformer robot's faces. Those are more japanese looking while the onesused in these photographs are made to look more sci-fi. I don't think it's straightKlingon, but some of the characters are definitely similar. It most likely cannotbe translated because it isn't real in any fashion.

Oh well, it's kind of cool looking. Dumb though that they tried to pass it off asreal.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

@zteco says:

METRAGON is back!Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

bark says:

NIce try. Change the font on the wings and watch your depth of field and you'vehave a pretty convincing photo!Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

be OH be says:

Metragon?Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

Happy Tinfoil Cat says:

I've never seen a power pole with the wires at those angles. Bizarre.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

alburyphotog says:

none of this is interesting...im just cutting to the truthPosted 1 week ago. ( permalink )

The School House says:

Michael Bay is raping your childhood.Posted 1 week ago. ( permalink )

be OH be says:

it's so uninteresting that you just had to leave a comment to let the rest of usknow how uninterested you are. uhh...thanks.Posted 1 week ago. ( permalink )

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ivo5000 says:

An in-depth discussion with photo and CGI analysis can be found at the OpenMinds Forum here:


lucianarchy.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=ufosandextrat....Posted 1 week ago. ( permalink )

weedymedusa says:

albury--then stop popping in. a lot of people apparently do find it interesting.Posted 1 week ago. ( permalink )

attani_s says:

www.flickr.com/photos/8497422@N07/514222811/Posted 10 days ago. ( permalink )

elFranZ says:

this is bad done, man, light source first... then, pixel quantity mismatch.. lol, witha little tuning could be very very fine...Posted 9 days ago. ( permalink )

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honestmase says:

There are 3 different UFO's. Each time it was posted somewhere, the craft haschanged.Posted 9 days ago. ( permalink )

weedymedusa says:

this has become an exercise in stating the obvious.Posted 9 days ago. ( permalink )

richardakai says:

A lot of people are claiming it's fake. Prove it, re-create it.

Could be a model with lines removed. Make me eat my words, re-create it. I'mwaiting for the evidence. You can't claim "Photoshop" every time you seesomething you don't understand.Posted 9 days ago. ( permalink )

weedymedusa says:

Well, it's been recreated many times there, richard. why don;t you actually readthe threads and go see the created youtube video.Posted 9 days ago. ( permalink )

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shiva_proto says:

Hate to tell you guys, but I work for a corporation which deciphers data. I usedseveral systems to analyze this specific picture and found that it came directlyout of the camera. With no known traces of editing.

Scary but...Every image created on a digital image device or a digital imagesoftware embeds information about the source origin. In this case, the IECstandards embedded in the cameras software which were copyrighted by HPare still present.

The standard recovered off this image were (61966-2.1) You can look at thisstandard at http://www.iec.com/.

Either the original provider of this photo is an expert hoaxer who is not only ableto trick analitic filters as well as write hexadecimal, or this photo is completelyligit and straight from the camera.

Notice to originator... I'm an expert at finding data. I don't like being made afool. If this turns out to be a hoax, somehow your personal name and addresswill make it to every corner of the internet galaxy along with your hoax(es).

To which, no one will believe you ever again...not even pictures posted of anypets or kids you might have.

I will be contacting you shortly.Posted 5 days ago. ( permalink )


HAHAHAHAHAHA

"write hexadecimal"?!?!

"analitic" HA, is that anything like "analytic" ?

@shiva_proto either you are a master comedian or ... never mind, thanks forthe laugh.Posted 5 days ago. ( permalink )

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shiva_proto says:

Glad you’re laughing. I didn't realize that I had to be more formal when writinga....comment?

It didn't escape my attention that you didn't attack the argument, but mepersonally. I guess I shouldn't have expected better. Your response is a badrendition of the straw man fallacy discussed in logic 101.

Why don't you take a course in logical philosophy, I hear they're $350 at yourlocal community college.

Oh, and Cheers!Posted 5 days ago. ( permalink )


Okay,

http://www.iec.org/ - - - the .COM is a squatter/scammer/spammer/luser

I, too, work for a company who "deciphers data" as an engineer. Through ourproducts pass most TV signals. BFD.

IEC 61966-2.1 is a standard for default sRGB color space. The color spaceused for high quality printing is not the same as what normally comes out of a


consumer camera. It has nothing to do with this "UFO"

Just about any coder can "write hexadecimal", it's not some mysterious artform.

Your threats, injured ego, etc. point to an immature kid with just enough smartsto be dangerous to himself. Stay away from Antionline. QED

That's my philosophy.Posted 5 days ago. ( permalink )

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shiva_proto says:

I have a feeling that the only ego flaring up is yours. I'm sure based on the tone;you go place to place...getting your rocks off with your short sighted straw manfallacies. I don't take it personally, because you visit many places and do thesame thing. Isn't that right?

I'm not coming back here, I'm not a typical Flickr user, there's no need for me tobe here. So I'm going to enter my rebuttal, and by on my way. For all I care, youcan say I'm a queer with a one legged step-mom in your next comeback. Aresponse will assuredly indicate that you can't control yourself, which makes iteasier for people like me to twist you anyway we want to...because we knowwhat you'll do next. What...a surprise?

Down to business, time for the rebuttal:[1] Hexadecimal - never stated it was mysterious or hard to do. I personally use3 of hex editors. My point was the dedication on his part, for editing hex to paytribute to a fallacy.[2] Modified argument - 61966 is a color standard....period for digital machines.Your source was screwed up because my site label was wrong. My real point isthat the specifier was intact. It would have been another story if AdobePhotoshop Elements had shown up. Or, inconclusive if nothing was there.[3] (www.iec.ch) is the correct source.

Last but not least:[4] I think this is CGI. Some guy built something similar and posted it inYoutube... it looks pretty real.

My argument was inductive from the very beginning. But then again, all scienceis inductive as well... so I don't feel alone in that regard.

Nighty-night, this subject has just been put to bed.

CheersPosted 4 days ago. ( permalink )

weedymedusa says:

wow, shiva photos really pays attention. a photo of this thing on youtube!?people jumping in here without actually reading the posts...and not a typical flickr user is right--there's lot of 'queers' here, and 'twould notbe seen as the pertinent & extreme insult as apparently intended. i say goodriddance.Posted 4 days ago. ( permalink )

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Doctor Grafix says:

if you turn it upside down it may help remove the yolk from the white.Posted 4 days ago. ( permalink )

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crydiger2 says:

Just copy that pic to Photoshop and zoom it until you see single pixels. The"UFO" seems to have exactly the same edge sharpness as the poll and powerlines below. This could only occur if the object was a little RC model, flyingVERY close to the lines. Also, the sunlight shines from the upper right. So theobject would have to create a massive shadow on the pole. But there's justnothing like that. A BIG object at high elevation wouldn’t create a shadow, butwould appear much more blurred on the pic, caused by common athmosphericand UV lighting effects. For his next project the "artist" should consider to addfitting shadows in correct 3D perspective and apply at least a few of the creativefiltering tools Photoshop comes with ...Posted 3 days ago. ( permalink )








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the_paper_boy17 says:

hey there was another siteing in another area about a month ago of something looking very similar

www.coasttocoastam.com/gen/page2022.html?theme=lightPosted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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eileenscrill says:

It is from the same Hoaxer you dumbass... He is just altering his 3d computer model...Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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high247 says:

I dont think its a hoax imo. It has not been proven! prove it dont just say it.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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analogx says:

The scale and lighting on his digital model are pretty bad. He claims it is 'very large' but the perspective of his shots make it seem the size of avacuum cleaner. These shots are better than the earlier ones he posted as 'Chad'.

The design is also very cliche for a spaceship. I've seen more original work done in Maya posted on Renderosity.com.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )



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L.Arkwright says:

How can you claim the lightining is bad? The direction shadows fn the craft match rather well with the shadows on the pole. Same with the intensity ofshadows.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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kevin_finland says:

They're hoxa! Shame on you!! you dumb jokes!Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

RavenNW says:

I don't think this is a hoax if OTHER people are seeing & photographing it and they are unrelated to each other. Bravo for taking such awesome picsand sharing them with the public. Keep your eyes and camera ready in case you see it again.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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dark_sky_red says:

Prove it, this is a hoxa! i want to see the reports and photos form the "other" people that are seeing this thing, if any one thinks they can prove this tobe real cantact me via email at [email protected], send me the photos and case files.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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robert3clemens says:

I think that this is NOT a hoax. It's not from outer space, either. I mean, look at the damn craft. It's got a number of ionization rods arranged around acentral core. What does that tell you? It's driven by ion wind, i.e. the rods ionize the air (at their tips), and a powerful magnet draws them through thedonut hole. It thereby stays afloat. The "fat" leg features a number of correction jets (much better visible in the previous sighting linked bythe_paper_boy17). Such ion "lifters" have been built for years, although I must admit, none to my knowledge weighing this much. My guess is that thedonut houses a commonplace superconducting ring carrying a very, very large current. The current supplies the slingshot effect that draws ionstoward the ground. In time, the action of the passing ions drags on the ring current, and the craft needs a recharge (hence its apparent interest in thetelephone pole?). The writing is probably either to make it look cool (is that Klingon?) or to disguise key components because the inventor wants topatent it. I suspect the "fat" leg houses an antenna assembly, and maybe a camera, through which a remote human controls the craft. But hey, nicework. It would make a great upgrade to that old model airplane in my garage!

By the way, the reason I don't think it's from outer space is because it's so obviously atmospheric. (Ion lifters don't work in space where there'sbasically no gas to ionize.) And if you have the technology to speed across space, why do you want to design a probe that can only function in theatmosphere?

Anyways, great photos!Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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jabwai says:

it has to be man made.. I have been on the fence about these since they showed up on C2C, I would like to see them my self.. or higher resolutionphotos would be nice also.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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jabwai says:

but one thing I did notice is the design of the craft and the "markings" are very reminiscent of late 90s early 2000 graphic design (ie.. DesignersRepublic ...). so part of me still thinks this might be fake.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

nev888 says:

US government would never allow these strange crafts roaming around to scare people off especially since 9/11. It’s either from outer space or manmade and this man certainly has the technology/money to make it work.If a company in the US or EU could make a craft like the one in the photos, it would make headline news all over the world and making billions ofdollars just by making the technology available for civilian & commercial use. If such company exists and why the craft has no company logo andmilitary marking? The only marking is some kind of language on its wing that cannot be recognized by us. If this craft lands vertically then why the marking is on the bottom side of the wing and not the topside? I think this craft was designed afloat (in air)without landing gear hence its purpose was to scan the surface of earth so it was made outside earth because earth has gravity.In my opinion, it’s a space probe sent from outer space to gather information about us. It’s like NASA doing on Mars.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

Sidereal says:

I think this craft was designed afloat (in air) without landing gear hence its purpose was to scan the surface of earth so it was made outside earthbecause earth has gravity.


My god. That's brilliant.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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kirisjahu says:

if it is real, why aren't there zillions of photos posted of it already? i mean if i ran into such thing i'm sure i would instantly take my cam or cell andshoot!Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

nev888 says:

already 3 groups of people have spotted these strange crafts (slightly different in design).1st one_http://www.ufocasebook.com/strangecraftphotos.html2nd one_http://www.ufocasebook.com/strangecraftlaketahoe.htmlif they're man made, why the mighty CIA and Homeland Security would allow these things to scare people.the best way to find out is to ask rajman1977 to upload one of his original photos so we can download it and see the digital footprint of it.anyway, i'm quite sure the US military has already shot down one or two of these crafts but we'll never find out.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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lumendelsol says:

These pictures are a hoax. The world is flat. No planets besides ours exists, and to prove a witch is a witch you dunk her in water, if she drowns she'sinnocent, if she lives then she's a witch. When are people going to see with open eyes. This craft has been seen by 3 people so far if anything itshould be investigated not debunked. What happened to our safe skies. Maybe that's why the 911 hijackers got their planes so easily, because weare so vigilant about sky safety. We are a joke.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

jd_starz says:

I suppose that a hoax can not be completely ruled out. But, at this point, in my opinion, it is highly unlikely. There really is nothing to gain at thispoint.(Not that there ever is really) Plus, one of the people, "Chad", has already been interviewed by Linda Moulton Howe of Earthfiles.com. I doubtthat anyone would take a hoax that far.

I would like to see images or video of this craft in infrared.

The only issue I have with this, is that nobody has come up with any video of it. I think that some good video of the craft would settle once and for all ifit is a hoax or not.

If this craft is man made, it is conceivable that it might not need landing gear if it is remote controlled. The landing gear could be at a remote location.In other words, it might land on the landing gear itself. Of course, this is the assumption that it ever lands at all.

All we are doing is speculating. Lets get some more facts. And they will come. Just be patient.

In the meantime, if any of you see it, I wouldn't advise that you get too close to it, as people have complained about health problems such as nausiaand headaches.

Two of the eyewitnesses have mentioned a buzzing sound coming from it, that is similar to the sound that we might associate with high voltage. Thatis what makes it so compelling to see in other wavelengths.

This craft looks very man-made. Even if its technology appears to be very exotic. Anti-gravity with high voltage is nothing new, or extra-terrestrial. So,lets not "UFO" the crap out of this.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

jd_starz says:

Another thing...And this is not meant to be a personal attack, so please to not take any offense by it Nev888. Why do people always assume that justbecause a craft can not be identified, it is automatically aliens or some secret black project? I mean, don't rule this stuff out, but open your minds a bit.There are a thousand other explanations. Maybe some big corporation is stealing your data. Maybe some kid is just flying a craft that he built in hisgarage. Maybe George Lucas is working on a craft for a movie. Maybe, the USGS is using a experimental craft to detect Earthquakes. These are aslikely or unlikely as aliens or Big Brother.

The three different eyewitness accounts show the craft in three different configurations. This is very compelling in itself. It is also very interesting thatall sitings of this craft so far reported have been in California.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

nev888 says:

hi jd, http://www.dronehoax.com/

i'm very open minded and have been searching for more news since Chad's photos. the strange language on the wing made me think about this craftis from outer space because it doesn't make any sense to make a craft to detect earthquake and forest fire without a camera.

our technology today ishere_http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23397459-details/'Flying+saucer'+police+spy+camera+takes+to+the+skies/article.do and here_http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/269332_insitu08.html

why suddenly someone is testing 3 or just one craft in California without the knowledge of the government?It's a huge crime to test flying objects in civilian areas anywhere around the world and i don't think anyone has the guts to do it right over people ofCA.it just doesn't make any sense.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

jd_starz says:

Thank You for replying Nev888. The first time, I saw Chad's photos, I said to myself. Gee, I know I have seen this somewhere before. Or it's justfamiliar in some way. But, I still can not seem to get a grasp on that. Can anyone else comment on that?

I have to admit that the writing is very interesting. Assuming, of course, that it isn't just a diversion. I have heard the word "Klingon" a few times whenpeople were speculating about the writing. If it is a hoax, then the hoaxster isn't too bright. Because the type of people who would be attracted to thissort of thing would recognise this right away. As they actually have..sort of. And, to add to that...This is the assumption that whoever hoaxed it reallycares if it is believable in any case.

The fact that it can hover so close to the ground might mean that it doesn't need a big bulky array of camera equipment. Just because we can not seea camera in the photo, doesn't mean that it doesn't have all kinds of them. We all know now that there are cameras, even available to consumers,that are smaller than a pea.

Maybe it doesn't take photos. Maybe it just collects data. Maybe it does nothing but hover, and make people wonder about it. A lot of maybes...

It is also plausible that whoever is behind it is above the law, not from here(North America), or just doesn't give a crap anyway. If there are reallyhealth risks associated with it, and it is a danger to people and other life, someone with some background in this should be invesigating it.

I have another question? Where IS the Govt.(even local) in all of this? And the media? I mean, is it just me, or is this pretty significant? To myknowledge, nobody with any authority has even commented about the craft. Isn't that odd?

I have to agree with you that without some solid facts, it really doesn't make a lot of sense. I mean, it appears to be a lump of metals hovering abovethe ground making high voltage sounds. To me, it appears to be pretty solid, and heavy. I would hate to be under it, if it ever fell to the ground.

And it isn't trying to escape from witnesses. Maybe this is because it can not see them in the first place.

I can tell you what it isn't. It isn't a weather inversion or swamp gas.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

o_ashford says:

I think I've figured out what it's for!


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spooky434 says:

I agree with JOhn *) But what is it? I think it's an Earth Rover, Like what we sent to Mars! But by the looks of it, It's not from this time line, or thecurrent earth. But I do think it's more of a machine that is taking samples, and doing research. *of some kind. There seems to not be any gun turrets,*at least in the means we know of. It just looks like a free floater. I would be there is nothing in it. But I'd like to tune an AM radio next to it, to see if it'sputting out some kind of signal. Or picking up on one ! ~NiteOwl~Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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not_a_true_believer says:

Historically all anonymous UFO reports, pictures, and video turn out to be fakes. When something is really flying around in the sky police, radio, andTV station switchboards are jammed with calls and it’s all over the news the next day. This is thing is as real as lonelygirl15. I translated the alienwriting, it reads: “To Serve Man”. Sounds good to me.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

jd_starz says:

I like Robert3clemens explanation. And I would be very - VERY interested in what John Hutchison might have to say about this craft.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

Larry Forney says:

i love how every non-sceptic is a fake account. if only you'd put as much work into making the pictures as you did making up fictional supporters.If someone is getting paid for this, I'd find that more impressive than alien spaceships.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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plastictabs says:

Why the hell isn't there any VIDEO!?Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )


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analogx says:

Let's get the facts straight about this hoax.

1. Linda Moulton Howe and Coast to Coast regularly have hoaxers call in and they have let them run on for months and years, doing nothing todisprove them. Google 'Dr Jonathan Reed' for a perfect example of how C2C promoted a similar hoax for years. It took an outside group a couple ofweeks to debunk the entire hoax.

2. The three reports have all been made anonymously. The sightings are claimed to be from Santa Cruz and Lake Tahoe, two popular touristdestinations in California. It's impossible to believe nobody else saw this and posted a photo somewhere.

3. Why are there no high res photos? These were allegedly taken by a 2MP Dimage X but the best resolution is a lame 1024x768, just good enoughto make it look real but hide any CGI flaws.

On the other hand, there is a sucker born every minute. Some hoaxer is laughing his ass off at all of us.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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fxmodels says:

Aside from those who just say its a Hoax without substance, I have quite a bit of experience in these matters and I undertook an analysis of thephotos and it took me all of 60 seconds to see that I was looking at a CG model. The reason for the short determination? I know where to look andnow I will tell YOU where to look on such models. By way of background by the way, my degree was in Astronomy, and my business is creatingDigital Models. So, after a while you can pick these things out rather easily. Now, the reasons this is a clear and obvious hoax are numerous and I am sharing them with the people that have brought these photos to the publicforefront, such as Coast to Coast and MUFON. Because I saw all of your comments, I will go through it a little to let you know what you are seeinghere. Simply put the author made a very large blunder in his FIRST set of images, those where he was directly under the craft looking up from "closerange'. There you can see artifacts in the shadows indicating that he used what is referred to as a 'light dome' or 'radiosity' or 'HDRI" to render thecomputer image. This manner of rendering very accurately in some cases reproduces the way an object lit by the Sun would look: There will be subtlelight in the shaded areas, from reflected light in the sky or from the ground and the object takes on a far more REAL look. He used this technique,BUT... he did not use enough 'samples' during the render. What this means is that the light ray reflections falling on the model are calculated fromevery possible light source, be it reflection off of grass, or a wall or what have you. The more samples, the better the overall result. He used a prettyHIGH value but NOT high enough because in the shadows you can very clearly see characteristic mottling of the shadow which is due to too fewsamples.

So look in the shadows! If it looks mottled in a patterned sort of way, almost a mathematical way, then its a rendering.

That was not the only thing. The other items included light sources being wrong, the model is way too clear for its supposed size and distance, and inthese latest images he REALLY goofed up big time with both light angles, and the fact that his photo shows a bright sunny day with the sun being justout of shot to the right, yet the object suffers NO near-sun effects .... What are those? Take a picture of something near the sun and you will see... Toget the darker shaded undersides correctly exposed, you have to overexpose the image and meter the camera for the shadows. He failed to do thatand the telephone pole, rather than being overexposed as it should be, is perfectly fine. Further, the object's bright areas are not overexposed toshow the shaded areas and this is a huge problem.

As far as video? I can tell you why there is no video.... Each FRAME of a radiosity render like this takes a very long time to render because of thecalculations required for each light ray. Sometimes a radiosity rendering can take hours per FRAME. Sometimes minutes per FRAME. Since thereare 24-30 frames per SECOND, a ten second video would be 300 frames perhaps rendering at one frame every say 45 minutes. He would tie up hiscomputer(s) for 225 hours just for a 10 second video! So THATS why you dont see one. In addition the author probably doesnt know HOW to createthe proper atmospheric effects for an on-the-fly animation where currently for the still images he is probably doing additional work right now in aPhotoshop type tool to add the finishing touches.

Now for those who just simply want to believe, go ahead. I cannot stop you. But dont let good science become the enemy. Just realize we haventfound them yet. But they are here, dont worry. MarcPosted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

jd_starz says:

I like the rover idea Spooky..Based on what the witnesses have said, it just kind of goes about it's business. And isn't bothered by anything. That is avery good description of a rover.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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fxmodels says:

I am dumbfounded by anyone who believes this clear and obvious digital computer model is anything but what it is, a funny hoax. Even after theauthor admits its a hoax, you will say it is not a hoax...

For crying out loud, he started by modeling a BF Goodrich All Terrain Tire and got bored!!! He smooth shifted, beveled and Nurnied. Those threethings take about an hour in any reasonable 3D program. The whole model was probably an hour to build. Then he textured it and then he poorly lit itas I showed.


Its a simple hoax.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

weedymedusa says:

ha, o ashford.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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eratozee says:

all of the earlier pictures were by the same guy, and I think the this one is also from the same source.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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NASAnerd1947 says:

I'm not an expert on faking digital images, but I have studied the field of electric and electromagnetic propulsion as a professional aerospaceengineer. If the object is real, the explanation put forward by robert3clemens is pretty much right on. This would be an example of anendoatmospheric Hall-effect thruster. The curved electrodes on the top would be charged to a high positve voltage. Since they are arranged in aradially symmetric manner, they would create a radially symmetric electric field gradient that goes to zero in the middle. Any positive ions in the air(nitrogen, oxygen, etc.) in the vicinity of and interior to the electrodes would therefore be forced radially inward. No central electrode would benecessary. Electrons would of course be attracted to the electrodes and collected on their surfaces. Since the positive ions are tens of thousands oftimes more massive than the electrons, virtually all of the momentum flow is carried by the positive ions. A superconducting ring or rings inside thedonut shaped annular shell would be arranged so as to create circular magnetic field lines centered around the symmetry axis. There are a couple ofdifferent winding geometries that would work. As the ions move radially inward, they cross the magnetic field lines at essentially right angles. The Halleffect says that charged particles crossing magnetic field lines will receive an acceleration that is proportional to the size of the magnetic field and atright angles to both it and the velocity vector of the particle. If the velocity of the particle is radially inward and the magnetic field line is tangential, thenthe particle will be accelerated downward and through the hole. This is the slingshot effect that robert3clemens was talking about and can increasethe size of the ion wind by an order of magnitude. Usually the limiting parameter on an ion wind thruster is the very low level of ionization in normal air(a few hundred per cc). There simply aren't very many charged particles around to "grab" with the electric field, and this is why ordinary "lifters" don'thave enough thrust to get themselves and their power supplies off the ground. Theory and experiment show that this can be dramatically improved byartificially boosting the ion concentration in the air. This can easily be done with ultraviolet radiation; I wouldn't be surprised if there weren't someexcimer lasers pointing upward, interior to the electrodes.

The electrodes on the top are curved because they follow the stream lines of the ion wind; they define what is known as the "stream tube". Since airmolecules flow radially inward between and around the electrodes, the volume of air flow increases as you move axially downward to the annularhole; that's why the stream tube is bigger at the entrance to the annular hole than it is at the top.

Hall effect thrusters have been used in space for decades. In that case, you have to bring your working fluid with you (usually Xenon or some othernoble gas). Here, the air is the working fluid. One of the problems that all Hall effect thrusters have to deal with is charge build-up. What you're doingin the vicinity of the curved electrodes is stripping electrons off and accelerating the positively charged ions downward. Therefore you've got apositivley charged column of air moving away from the device. If you didn't do anything about that, you would eventually build up a pretty good chargeseparation that would tend to kill the thrust and also possibly cause destructive arcing or sparking. That's where the "paddles" or "wings" come in. Ithink their first purpose is to serve as electrodes that recombine the electrons with the downward flowing ion wind and thereby neutralize it. In order todo that, you need a lot of surface area, because the natural conductivity of the air is low. I think they also serve a secondary purpose of steering thethrust vector of the ion wind. If you supply a slightly different electron current to each of an opposed pair of paddles, you will pull the column ofpositively charged air to one side or the other. The different photos of what is probably the same device ("Chad's", Lake Tahoe, and now Capitola)have different numbers and configurations of paddles. However, the one thing they all have in common is that they all have a minimum of two pairs ofpaddles, diametrically opposed to each other. This always allows control of pitch and roll. They also appear designed to have a large surface area incontact with the air at the exit plane of the thruster. If this is a real object, I would guess that whoever built it is experimenting with different models ofpaddles. For one thing, the long paddles appear to have hinges where they join the body of the "donut". This implies that they are designed to befolded up to make storage or transport of the object easier. The short paddle with six corona discharge needles on it looks like it might not have to bestowed.

The superconducting coil or coils serve two purposes, as robert3clemens alludes to. First, they provide the very strong magnetic field necessary toproduce the Hall effect; second, they are an energy storage medium. Superconducting magnets are capable of being charged and dischargedextremely fast and have very low internal losses. Depending on the quality of the superconductor material, the energy density can be equal to orgreater than primary lithium batteries. The main power consumption would for supplying the current necessary for maintaining the high voltage on thetop curved electrodes, and "pumping" the collected electrons down to the paddles

We are not the first to think about this. The attractiveness of a purely electrically fueled aircraft with no moving parts is self-evident. The intellectualhistory of Hall effect (or magnetohydrodynamic) endoatmospheric thrusters goes back at least to the 1950's, when a great deal of classified work wasdone in the area. What makes it feasible today is the availability of "high temperature" superconductors on an industrial scale (pioneered, I might addin Silicon Valley, which appears to be at the epicenter of these sightings).

All of this says that these devices, if real, were built by otherwise ordinary, but extremely well educated and well informed human beings with a fewtens of millions of dollars to play with. A discussion of where the original idea for this kind of vehicle came from will be left for another day.

OK, so why are these things being flight tested over Capitola and Lake Tahoe, instead of Edwards Air Force Base or China Lake Naval WeaponsTest Center, or Area 51? Good question, it seems pretty risky. Actually, we don't know they didn't fly around Area 51 or China Lake, first. If thesethings were built by one of the usual suspect aerospace contractors for a government Agency, they almost certainly would have been tested at a


restricted flight test center first. Maybe they have already undergone preliminary testing and they are now getting ready to move into the operationalphase and they are intended to operate in the mountains and near the sea. If that's the case, we shouldn't assume that the flights are occurringwithout the knowledge of Homeland Security Department and other agencies. Maybe the Agency that built them wants to determine what fraction ofsightings will be conveniently dismissed by skeptics as hoaxes. On the other hand, any number of dot-com millionaires and billionaires live within afifty mile radius of Capitola. One of them could have decided to build something like this out of petty cash. In that case, they would not necessarilywant or need access to a government test site. Still, flying something like this inside continental airspace without permission would be illegal mostplaces and pretty cheeky, even for a dot-commer.

Why isn't there a video? Again, how do you know there isn't? Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. I often see such comments along thelines of "If I had seen something like this, I would have taken a perfectly focused and professionally produced video and instantly published iteverywhere in order to satisfy the curiousity of random skeptics bent on character assassination." The facts are otherwise. Anyone who has everspent any quality time investigating UFOs or other cryptic phenomena knows that only a tiny fraction of witness sightings ever get reported to anybodyoutside the immediate family. First of all, exactly who are you supposed to report it to? There is no official collection point for this kind of story.Second, and probably more important, what's the motivation? In most cases you simply bring down accusations of being an idiot, a fraud, or both.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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LASooner says:

If he see this thing so often, you'd think he'd go out with a video camera, but he's probably saving up to buy BoujouPosted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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fxmodels says:

NASANerd...

A very nice discussion of Hall Effect phenomena. I really enjoyed that.

But... The image is clearly of a Computer Generated spacecraft created by a faker who for whatever reason, is just trying to fool people. Did he foolyou?

All the great scientific discussion aside, I clearly pointed out the obvious damning artifacts that show the object is a simple CG model, lit poorly andincorrectly and whose shadows give away the bad sampling for a 'radiosity" render. See my patterned shadow discussion in the above comments.

I am sorry but it is completely obvious that its a simple CG render done by a good but elementary CG Modeler, who has no lighting knowledge. Canthave one without the other to be successful, and he, was not.MarcPosted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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fxmodels says:

Another simple point if you need more obvious flaws...

If you look at the picture that shows the object on a very bright sunny day and its small in the shot, why is it that somehow the camera was able toshow EVERY detail of the object and the telephone pole and the rest of the sky etc... The camera meter meters not on individual objects, but onzones.... Lets talk about that because there is one shot where the 'ship' is very bright in a very bright sky and the ship takes up only 4-6% of the shot,tiny in a vast sky.... So about that shot:

Had he SPOT metered on the ship, then the rest of the shot would be highly overexposed because the meter would make the shadowed area on theship look good and to do that it would open up the iris and take perhaps a longer exposure.

Had he MATRIX metered then the ship which is only about 6% of the scene, would have been silhouetted just like when you take quickie photos at anairshow, as the sky is SO much brighter overall, it would stop down the camera.

Somehow,the buffoon decided he needed to BRIGHTEN the object in that bright sunny day image. What he did unthinkingly was seal his coffin. Theobject would NOT have been bright as it was unless it was self luminous. Maybe he is reading my assessments and taking notes. Next time he mightsay "and uhhh it appeared to have a glow surrounding it ... Yeah! Thats right! A glow!"

In any case, if you have real knowledge, render an opinion. Your knowledge on Hall Effect seems to withstand rigor. But knowledge of CG Prankstersis more in my comfort zone.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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fxmodels says:

Also NASANerd, Regarding your arguments about the video... Having been a MUFON investigator, there is really very LITTLE video evidence when people see thatextraordinary once in a lifetime UFO. Had that been the case here then the faker would have had a better shot of pulling this all off.

But this faker has decided that he can repeatedly go out and 'find it in a relatively short time'... And he claims to have done so and brought friendswith him to see it... So now lets ask again why there is no video....Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )


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NASAnerd1947 says:

FXMODELS:

I did read your patterned shadow discussion, and I'm not sure which set of images you're referring to or what kind of analytical tools you used toexamine the image; therefore I reserve judgment for the time being.

If you go with the hoax hypothesis, then I assume you would believe that all the images came from the same source. The Lake Tahoe images wereostensibly taken on May 5, the Central California images were taken on May 6, and the Capitola images were taken on May 16. There seem to be atotal of 14 images now posted at various places on the web. One of "Chad's" Central California image was ostensibly taken with a camera phone, theCapitola ones were ostensibly taken with a Konica Minolta DIMAGE X, Chad's" higher resolution images were taken with an unidentified"professional" camera and the Lake Tahoe images were supposedly also taken with an unidentified phone camera.

I would like your opinion as an imaging expert; are the images consistent with being taken by 4 different cameras, of the types mentioned? (I assumethat the "normal" way to fake a photo like this is to take a real digital image of a background--trees, telephone pole, etc.--with a camera and thensuperimpose a CG image onto it and that you are not disputing that real digital cameras were involved. Otherwise, your argurment aboutinconsistency between shadow patterns wouldn't make sense. Please correct me if I misunderstood your assumption.) Which of the camera imagesets did you find the suspicious shadow patterning in? All of them? What kind of analytical tools do you use to detect the patterning? I assume that todetect the patterning, you have to digitally zoom the image to peer into the shadow. I guess what I'm wondering is, what level of magnification do youneed to see the patterning and how close is the scale of the patterning to the digitization level of the image?

I'm prepared to believe the images are faked, but I'd like to understand the line of evidence a little better.

Also, it occurs to me that an experienced FX modeler such as yourself could probably easily design and render your own faked photo of, say, asquare UFO with the same level of detail as the Capitola photo and post it on Flickr. It would be interesting to see how long it takes and howconvincing it is.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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picoduck says:

i was also planning to ask if fxmodels could make an image like this. i'd love to see the same shot from the same telephone pole with a different,unusual craft floating up there.

also, i am disappointed that rajman never responded to my email to him when he first posted this flickr link on craigslist. it would be very helpful to usif he responded to us with more info and links to the original camera images. he also deleted his craigslist posting soon afterwards which issuspicious.

also, the text on the craft strongly resembles Klingon and the Japanese Katakana: ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=reports&act...

so, this, plus fxmodels analysis makes me think NO on this matter.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

weedymedusa says:

'to serve man?' how do you get that?Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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L.Arkwright says:

fxmodels: Where exactly do you see low-quality shadows? I notice only compression artifacts.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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fxmodels says:

NASANerd and picoduck

I was already thinking of creating another image to illustrate the shadow anomalies. But to first answer your question about which images I am talkingabout, there are images on Coast to Coast which show this craft.The link is

www.coasttocoastam.com/gen/page2022.html?theme=light

The 5th image down shows the render anomaly. The shadow is obviously a rendered shadow. You can clearly see small circular patches of darkershadow within the overall shadow. The shadow appears to be composed of 'pores' like on an orange as best I can describe. This appearance isdirectly the result of not using proper settings for the "radiosity" type rendering and is prevalent in multiple rendering packages. To achieve a higherend result you need to have the light bounce more in your rendering to provide depth in the shadow.

Cameras... The concept of a camera in the 3D arena is contrived . You create the camera for your rendering and you can set it to be anything youwant. All 3D packages allow you to set the exact output size... so a small cell phone camera setting of say 320x240 or 640x480... no problem. Set therender to that, and take the result into Photoshop and add a matrix convolution to rough the image a bit as cell phones take poor pictures by andlarge.


For the "Pro camera" pictures, just up the resolution a bit and your off to the races.So as to whether the imagery is consistent with the type of camera he claims... sure. He can make the camera be anything he wants.

As far as the images being taken in these different places... Well, he might not be lying. Not about the BACKGROUND image. It could be that thesewere all taken in the places he claims, but ... the little CG UFO was added later ...

That one image though where the ship was relatively small against a large expanse of sky and telephone pole [not the upward looking ones but morelong-wise looking ones] he brightened the UFO in the sky because he let his MIND tell him what he thought it should look like and not a CAMERA.Had he thought like a CAMERA he would have made the UFO more of a silhouette as it would have been. The camera would have metered for thesky and never taken a photo like he claimed and showed.

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L.Arkwright says:

Higher resolution pack of that first serie:www.divshare.com/download/711765-1a1Said to be copies of the original scans from the developed photos.

I assume that the fifth picture with just the wing is a magnification of the above picture :/ There are changes in the intensity of the shadow in the largerresolution picture, but as the rim is uneven and it has distance to the wing, I cant judge for radiosity moire for certain. (btw, damn good bloom in theclose side-view pictures)

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jd_starz says:

Just a note.If these people are trying to remain anonymous, they probably will not reply to any of your e-mails.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

nev888 says:

Thanks for some great analytical comments above that make this page the best learning place ever for me and I’m now 50/50 on this thing.

IF these photos were made using different software, then a Hollywood studio must be doing this to promote an upcoming sci-fi movie.Spotted a good comparison photo in lucianarchy forum and it just makes you wonder why someone bothered to make 2 versions of this craft in CGand with different writings and wing details. Only God knows.

See photo http://www.flickr.com/photos/8418528@N06/506533536/URL or click on my name (nev888).

What if this craft is real, then it is not a prototype cos it can withstand ocean wind in Capitola and fly steadily over a telephone pole (not evenspinning) over forest and residential district.


Whoever made this craft is extremely wealthy and heartless to all the Californians – a rich bastard indeed. If this craft crashed into a forest and caughtfire - just catastrophic.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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tmr_sinclair says:

To fxmodels, NASAnerd1947 et al. -

I never join groups or post comments, but this thread and your comments in particular are very interesting and I would like to learn more, and intendto do so. In the meantime, I was wondering if you would be so kind as to answer a quick question from an amateur.

I know nothing of Klingon, I am not particularly interested in UFOs although I do find the possibility fascinating, and I also have very limited knowledgeof technology, including computer graphics although I have been able to manipulate photos simply by experimenting, most often without reallyknowing what I'm doing.

I have no idea whether UFOs exist or not. I try to maintain a "healthy skepticism." In essence that means that I am willing to consider any and allinformation.

Looking at these photos makes me think they're fakes, but I cannot say that with any certainty, it is just my (amateur) opinion.

So my question is this: I was reading Chad's comments on the link that fxmodels gave above(http://www.coasttocoastam.com/gen/page2022.html?theme=light) and something jumped out at me:

"It makes kind of 'crackling' noises. It's hard to describe them but they are only intermittent and not very loud, but you can notice them. Sometimesthere is a very slight hum that sounds kind of mechanical, almost like when you are near very large power lines."

I have not yet closely inspected the photos to look for the telltale signs that they're fakes as described by fxmodels, but I was wondering whether this"mechanical hum" might represent something that could emit a type of wave and possibly result in some distortion in the photo, and what thatdistortion might look like.

To put it another way, on a very hot day you can visibly see the heat emanating up from the asphalt, causing a "wavy distortion", and I was curious asto whether this type of thing could happen - not this exact situation, but something similar (e.g., electrical waves) - and possibly result in some kind ofartifact in the photos.

I'm also not sure what compression artifact means or what it would look like, so I'm going to try to look that up as well.

This is a very interesting discussion and I look forward to your additional comments.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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Cutefangs says:

Viral marketing for the new Transformers moviePosted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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fxmodels says:

The clincher...

Nail in the coffin... The weather at the time and dates associated with his bright blue sky pictures, and at the locations mentioned in association withthe photos was?

Ready?

cloudy and rainy!!!! Its public record and was brought to my attention by an investigator in that area.

Fakers cannot think of everything. This guy did not think of synchronizing his imagery to the weather at the time.

Oh wait... the 'craft' has a special device making perfectly clear weather in a radius of 50 mi in all directions! Dang! Thought I had him... ha ha...Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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fxmodels says:

To Arkwright...

Re: Compression artifacts..

In the picture I mentioned on the C2C site, 5th one down, the shadows on the right side of the image show the orange 'pore' look. More than acompression artifact, this is a rendering artifact in my opinion ... Further, such a craft that has harsh shadows from a fully exposed Sun, would exhibitsome level of harsh shadow as well instead of being SOFT shadowed. The Radiosity technique will make soft shadows. The only way to get properharsh shadows is to purchase what is known as a Physical Renderer such as Maxwell, or FryRender. We have both of these tools and I have to say, Iam going to take on the challenge of producing a UFO that looks as real or more than his and the FryRender version will have the proper shadows.


Reality is fleeting. Unless its on a film negative taken directly out of a camera after a multiple eyewitness account, it is hard to believe anything thesedays.

That said, I want to once again mention the reason why I am quite sure there is no video yet as several people mentioned it again. As I mentioned ittakes a LONG time to render objects using this kind of light technique. Radiosity renders are among the longest you can make as are physicalrenderer images. Further, I am CERTAIN he had to bring his images into Photoshop or a similar tool to add haze and any other additional tweaks tomake it 'real'. On a frame by frame basis he would have to do this because he probably doesnt know the best way to create the atmosphericsrequired for on the fly animation. Doing proper atmosphere DOES represent a whole new layer to creation of 3D models. He probably isnt patient enough and when pressed might just as well say that gee, he tried to video but it was all blank for some reason... I would loveto hear how he comments [and he wont] on the fact that the weather was cloudy and rainy at the time he took the images. Wellllll maybe his camera had the wrong date or he was suffering missing time...

As we speak I am recreating this UFO bit by bit.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

nev888 says:

Hi Fxmodels,

I’ve uploaded a higher resolution (1.2MB in size) photo of this craft in http://www.flickr.com/photos/8418528@N06/506533536/URL or click on myname.

Please do something as good as the one in the photo to convince a lot of us.

Thank You.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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fxmodels says:

UFO...

I have examined the model once again and see very elementary 3D tool usage on the model. For those fluent with the types of tools available in atypical 3D modeling program here are the ones he used. The names are tailored to Cinema 4D but Lightwave, Maya, and other tools have similartools:

1: Tube primitive object used as a baseline2: Polygon manipulation tools: a: Bevelb: Smooth Shiftc: Knife and Cutting toolsd: Extrude

I am rendering a 10 minute creation right now and will figure out how to upload it... The point being that he chose a UFO that is EASY to make in CG.I made one of the long fins sticking out in 30 seconds, selecting polygons, beveling it out, tapering the tips,and softening the edges on the fin. I can imagine spending another 3-4 hours and getting something intriguing. And it would probably fool most people too. Not that I am this fantasticartist but keep in mind that the TOOLS available now make it so much easier to pull this off.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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sp00nm says:

If you don't think this is a hoax you're off your rocker. I've seen that font before and while I can't directly place it, I'm sure there is a Star Wars/Trek fanout there who can confirm it.

Also, why would they put so much writing on the craft? Every panel of the wing has writing... ever seen a "UFO" or even a USAF craft with that muchwriting on it, particularly an experimental one?Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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fxmodels says:

nev888...

I appreciate that you think his compositing skills are good. In using his telephone pole images as a baseline, it is clear that you found those to be themost convincing for you. This is just what the faker could have hoped. I am not sure if you realize that fakers OFTEN will composite real live images infront of their work in hopes of convincing people of their veracity. NOTHING about this set of sightings makes sense.

DId you see that the faker LIED about the weather? On the days in question when he took the "photos", it was cloudy and rainy in those locations. Heisnt batting 1000 here...Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )


weedymedusa says:

Batting 1000? Wrong area of the stadium. The guy has the worst & cheapest seats, is drinking the last drops of his 5th Bud Light, and orderinganother hotdog. And, he has ketchup smeared all over his chin. And his shirt. Gross.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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fxmodels says:

Weedy..

Ha HA!!! you are funny... I liked that.

;)Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

weedymedusa says:

hee hee. i'll bet when his identity is finally revealed, his wikipedia photo will prove my description isnot far off. Oh yeah, and he's wearing a MetallicaTshirt.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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spf_34 says:

fxmodels - if your cg skills are as weak as your meteorlogical skills maybe you should reconsider your position.

Capitola, CA Weather for the 16th of May:http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/WXDailyHistory.asp?ID=KCACAPIT1&year=2007&month=5&day=16

You're treading down a well worn path, The Above Top Secret forum, has already beaten the cg route to a sloopy bloody pulp;www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread283514/pg1Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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brainshrub says:

It's a viral hoax for the Transformers movie. Geez, y'all are gullible. This is a "Space Bridge".Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

be OH be says:

brainshrub, do you have any supporting info about this viral hoax or is it just a hunch?Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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NASAnerd1947 says:

To all :

I checked the issue of the weather. According to Linda Mounton-Howe's report, the Capitola images were taken on May 16, which was a Wednesday.From the looks of the sun angle on the telephone pole, I would say it was maybe an hour or two before sundown--late afternoon, anyway. I live onlyabout 20 minutes away from Capitola, in the Santa Cruz mountains, am a private pilot, and so am very familiar with the weather patterns in the area.Basically, except when there is a storm front coming through, the weather pattern is boringly similar from day to day. That's what makes the flyingconditions good, here. The standard pattern is for fog to form in the cooler and saturated marine layer of air over night at around 1500 feet aboveground level, and then to progressively burn off further back from the beach as the day warms up. Usually, by evening, the waterfront is completelyclear, but then around sunset, the fog comes back in and the pattern repeats. That's what appears to have been the case on May 16.

Anyone can go to the NOAA Geostationary Satellite archives for the day in question and get a satellite image of what the weather was like(http://www.goes.noaa.gov/). (Select the GOES West archive and click on the desired week and day, then choose the "visible" channel.) Aroundsunrise on May 16, there is clearly a fog layer filling the entire Monterey bay. It burns off around noon and stays clear until sunset. Another day inparadise.

I would reccommend someone else check my work on this, just to be sure. Anyone checking this out should keep in mind that at sunset on the Pacificcoast, it is already into the next day on the Prime Meridian.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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fxmodels says:

SPF 34...I did make a mistake in my post and you did catch it I didnt. Sorry. The Tahoe photos were the May 5 ones with weather data and the weather therewas rainy and cloudy on that day. But to be fair I WILL obtain the weather data personally from the investigator.

And I am treading down a well worn path? You mean you actually BELIEVE this obvious hoax attempt is real? And if the CG guys in the Above Top http://www.dronehoax.com/

Secret forum cannot hold their own against those who can debate better than they, does that mean the ATS folks are right? And with a name likeAbove Top Secret... well ... the name kind of tells you the people there are conspiratorial. My experience with forums such as that is that you neverare treated fairly as there are those who just relish the pounce and perception of the kill.

Why do any hoaxers perpetrate and continue hoaxes sometimes for years? [ala Bigfoot tracks ... fake loch ness monsters... etc....] They do it for theongoing thrill and feeling of importance in some cases, and in others, to gain publicity ... a million reasons. So to ask the inane question as I readthere that said in relation to the latest batch of pix: "NOW do you still believe that this is just photoshopped stuff?"

Ummm yes more than ever!

And SPF34 I did not see anywhere yet where they 'beat the cg route to a sloopy bloody pulp". I saw them just outright ignoring what the CG guyshave to say but no beatings...

This object is a most obvious fake ... and for those who only know how to believe, its going to be a very difficult run.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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fxmodels says:

SPF 34

I looked at the ATS site in detail you referenced and that thread has more "I believe its fake" than "I believe its real" or "I believe the CG folks arewrong"

So I am not sure if you sent me to the right bloody pulp thread... ;)Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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spf_34 says:

fxmodels-

perhaps the cg thing hasn't been beaten to a pulp, except for in my own mind (i'm one of the cg guys on the ats threads). yes, ats is questionable, butunfortunately, i don't see a discussion at dpreview.com, ot cgtalk.com or msn.com, or where ever else.

i don't know if they are real or not. i don't believe one way or the another.

as someone who considers himself to be more than fairly competent in my profession, i find it almost unbelievable, if not unacceptable, that my peerscan declare, loudly too, that these images are fakes.

they are being presented as real, and i see no reason why the images cannot be accepted as real from a visual and techinical point.

there is not enough evidence to determine from just the photos themselves!

i take that back, one glaring reason why i see a reason for these to be faked is that we have heard nothing from any of the 3 original photographers.but like most of the arguments for these images being fake, they have little to do with the images themselves.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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NASAnerd1947 says:

To tmr_sinclair, and all:

Apparently, Linda Moulton-Howe has interviewed another witness (not rajman1977) who supports the claim that the object is real. The interviewshould appear on the Earthfiles website in a day or two, so it looks to me like there are still a few moves to play out here.

Continuing with the hypothesis that some of the photos show a real flying device over California during the last few weeks, I will try to address thequestions you raised. The reported "crackling" and "humming" sounds both imply the presence of high voltage equipment. If the curved rods on thetop of the object are electrodes charged up to a high voltage (as I postulate) then they would almost certainly be giving off corona discharges. Thiswould occur at the sharpest points, or tips of the electrodes, where the radius of curvature is tightest. If you've ever been near a Van DeGraff staticelectricity generator, you probably will have heard similar crackling and hissing.

As far as the humming is concerned, my guess is that any superconducting coils in the device would be operating at pretty ordinary voltages, but youwould need tens of kilovolts applied to the rods. The usual way to achieve this would be with a step-up transformer and a rectifier. Transformers thathandle high power usually hum at the frequency or at a harmonic of the electrical frequency they operate at. That's because the magnetic fields inthem that are rapidly building and collapsing put a "magnetic pressure" strain on the construction materials of the transformer. So, the transformeractually physically vibrates at the forcing frequency. If you've ever stood near a cheap flourescent light fixture, you'll be familiar with the phenomenon.

Finally, you raise the interesting question of possible optical distortion in the vicinity of such a device, such as "heat waves" or the like. Interestinglyenough, this phenomenon has been observed and described in other cases in which I suspect the involvement of a Hall-effect (or MHD) thruster,such as the Chicago O'Hare Airport case from November 7, 2006. Several witnesses to that case report seeing a "swirling" in the layer of airimmediately adjacent to the skin of the object, like "bees buzzing". If the object is held aloft by the thrust generated by an ion wind, then thedownwash itself would be invisible. However, in the immediate vicinity of the skin of the object one might expect to get localized vorticity, turbulence,and large changes in density, over short spatial scales. Changes in density, even in a transparent gas, would result in changes in the optical index of


refraction and therefore distortion of any light rays transiting the region. This phenomenon is often used in wind tunnels to visualize flow over testmodels, and is called Schlieren Photography. To my knowledge, no one has explicitly reported this or a similar observation with regard to theCalifornia objects, but if my hypothesis is correct about how these objects operate, then I wouldn't be surprised if someone did report it.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

exitfromreality says:

This is by far my favorite fake UFO to date. I really like the design. Its nice to see something more than a flying saucer for once :)

I am a CG artist myself and I had some comments on this whole ordeal. As some people, such as fxmodels, have mentioned, this is an easy craft tomodel. Im sure I could recreate it in a few hours. Where these images do shine is that they are composited really really well. He has gone as far asincluding the chromatic abberation (red glow) on borders between dark and light areas that is commonly seen in cheap camera lenses.

The slight camera shake blur is also done well on the powerline shots and it matches well between the CG and photo. The problem is that thereshould be no camera shake blur in such a picture. It appears to be bright and sunny and even a small digital camera, at ISO 50 would still be using avery high shutter speed. the general rule of eliminating slow shutter camera shake is to have a shutter speed that is (1/focal length). The camera saidto have taken these pictures is the Minolta DiMage X as reported by earthfiles has a minimum ISO of 100 and a 37-110mm zoom lens. Even if thispicture was taken at 110mm there is no way there would be blur on the image because a shutter speed of 1/100 would be way to slow for a sunnyday, unless the camera was stopped down to F16 or more, something automatic exposure modes on small digital cameras would never do, theywould keep the Fstop around f5.6-f8 and increase the shutter speed instead. Also the DiMage X can take pictures at 1600x1200....why are these sosmall?

I would love for this to be real, what fun it would be. I live 20min from capitola and id love to run over that way and take my own pictures.Unfortunately we all know UFO's NEVER show up in front of anyone sitting around with a Canon 20D and 400 5.6L at the ready :-/Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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Newlin says:

So, let me get this right.

People are presented with a photograph, along with a narrative of what it represents, and are faced with deciding whether the photograph is a hoax ornot.

One possibility is that it is a computer-generated image. (It should be obvious that a text narrative can be fabricated, and does not constitute proof.)

Another possibility is that the photograph is not a hoax, and actually depicts an alien craft (or top-secret craft originating on Earth).

Now, it would seem to me that the most plausible explanation is that it is a hoax.

So, why do people jump to the conclusion that this is a real object, absent any sort of proof - extraordinary or otherwise?Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

astanhope says:

The writing is not "Japanese" or any other real written language.

The writing is what someone who is not literate in Japanese or Chinese thinks it looks like.

As a foreigner, once you learn to read Japanese or Chinese, you begin to see examples everywhere wherein people think they are making somethinglook like Japanese or Chinese but the resemblance is just cursory. The most common manifestation of this is computer-copied Japanese or Chinesetext that is reproduced backwards or upside down.

What we're seeing here is the same as if you took someone with decent observational and artistic skills, handed them a pad and asked them to write"something that looks like Japanese" from memory - without a model to look at.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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fxmodels says:

exitfromreality: Bravo! I am glad you see how easy the craft is to create. A few hours ago I created a version of it in about an hour. I have been playing withenvironment and haze and am about to upload my very first attempts which without even TEXTURING the thing, dont look that bad. I added a simpletexture of gray mottled ship panels ala a star wars type ship. As you saw exitFromReality, the base object is a tube that was beveled et al. I am goingto upload one of mine to just show it. You are right about the camera conclusions too. As you know we just create our own cameras and set the lens effects etc... etc...

Oh yeah and Capitola is near Santa Cruz... you know, that HIGHLY UNPOPULATED section of California... No WONDER no one saw this thing! Afterall, the faker says he can find it after only 30 minutes..heh heh ...

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fxmodels says:

Ok here is my 90 minute fun toy. I have not even scratched the surface of making the atmosphere more real or texturing the ship for real. If I do thatand spend another day or so, this can look as real as anything you can photograph....

www.flickr.com/photos/8455761@N06/511283665/Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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fxmodels says:

I uploaded it, and I cannot seem to make the photo any larger... It is 1024x768 but wont show that size...Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

midwinter_ says:

That's the fakest telephone pole I've ever seen.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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fxmodels says:

ha ha...Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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spf_34 says:

fxmodel - you are delusional if you think you are in any way even close to approaching the sophistication and believability of the original photos! i certainly applaud your efforts though...and having read thru your description now, i gotta tell ya you seem to have a but a rudimentary skill level with3d (18 min render for that!? what proc\ram?). i can tell just by how you talk about your work. please don't present yourself with quite as much authority in the future.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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Fotos Dan says:

The simplest explanation is usually the best.

Not a hoax. A viral. For the new Transformers movie. I don't think aliens write in japanese katakana.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )


spf 34 - your a bit delusional if you think thats as good as fxmodel can do. That was 90min, its simple and quick and uses mostly default settings, itsnot supposed to be perfect, its supposed to show how quick and easy someone could make such a picture. I doubt the original artist spent only 90minon this. Give fxmodel 24 hours and im sure it will look identical. I could create an exact replica in 24 hours, its not that hard.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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spf_34 says:

i'll give him 6 months.

he doesn't have the innate ability to ever get it to the level of these photos.

it's tiresome to hear "fake! i'm a pro, i can do this and that's why it's fake" they then turn around and present something like this turd.

and again, i don't believe these photos are real.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )


Fotos Dan - I think your theory might be the best. This thing doesnt look alien, and it sure isnt anything a human would bother to build if they had thetechnology.

The "alien writing" looks like alien writing, it looks like if someone needed alien writing its the first thing they would create. Im sure if you google alienwriting something similar comes up. Why would there be writing on an alien craft? if they are trying to hide form us why would there be writing all overtheir easy to photograph craft. Do aliens even have a written language, and if so, does it have to be constructed with a string of characters just likeours?

As for man made, simple enough, asymmetrical things dont move well. I wold imagine it takes a lot more effort to design an asymmetrical craft thatflies than a symmetrical craft, why bother to make it asymmetrical. If you were building such a craft, and you wanted it to be a secret, why would youput writing on it, and why in some silly looking alien font. If you really needed to write on it, say you needed it to say "don't touch this" on a particularpart wouldn't you write it in English so anyone helping you build this craft would actually know to not touch whatever it was. If it was such a small team


or single person that they could all know their secret alien language, wouldn't they just all know not to touch it anyways.

It looks to me to be created by an artist specifically to appear alien and unknown. Probably Viral, or at least someone having a lot of fun a 3d programat our expense.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

weedymedusa says:

and what do you guys think the chances of this hoaxer not assuming an identity within this thread--his own posting?Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )


spf 34 - that took 90min. The most amazing 3d artist in the world couldnt recreate the original images in 90min.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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fxmodels says:

SPF34:I could have predicted your response IN SPITE of the MANY commentsI provided ahead of time. As expected, you were going to attack no matterWHAT I created because you have made up your mind.

Perhaps you should visit our web site to see some of what we can do but then again perhaps not. You seem to be the type who would rather gleefullyand thoughtlessly attack and let the facts continue to elude you.

For instance, my hand rubbing friend, I said:

"I have not even scratched the surface of making the atmosphere more real or texturing the ship for real."

-what part of that makes you think I DID attempt a believable atmosphere or high end texture in 90 min of modeling time?

I also said, my neighborhood offensive tackle:

"Textures were simple and no time taken to 'paint' any lettering or anything. Just a quickie for purposes of show and tell. "

- What part of that statement leads you to believe this is NOT a quickie, using the SAME RUDIMENTARY TOOLS AS THE FAKER, to produce in 90minutes a craft well on its way to being what he produced?

and then I said, my deaf dumb and blind conspiratorial cohort:

"Atmosphere was STOCK and not altered to make it more real. I used default settings for Radiosity, added Environmental haze prior to rendering,and rendered for 18 minutes."

-What part of that statement my SO vigilant friend tells you that the atmosphere WASNT stock as I say?

So tell me again as I am confused... what part of my model study did you not understand?

Did you not see how I itemized the rudimentary techniques and these are what I would use to create a similar ship? Let me recite them again for youas you apparently do not read well:

I said the model was created using the following SIMPLE and RUDIMENTARY objects and functions available in most reasonably good 3D Modelingprograms:

1: Tube primitive object used as a baseline2: Polygon manipulation tools:a: Bevelb: Smooth Shiftc: Knife and Cutting toolsd: Extrude

Obviously you missed that and all the other things I said and only paid attention to what YOU wanted to see. As I said, I could have .. and DID ...predict you would do this.

exitfromreality: He is not delusional, just fixed on a viewpoint. He was going to attack if I provided an identical model...Thanks for the comments. Of course the fakerused up a good part of a week or more to create his model. I used 90 min using simplistic techniques to show how close you can get in just that muchtime using beginner techniques. Then of course you can always count on someone to pounce and belittle without paying any attention to the FACTSprovided. Why let facts get in the way of a good trouncing!Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )


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spf_34 says:

yeah, 90 mins so what? then why show us the thing, what good does that do?!!

someone that doesnt know any better is going to take fxmodel's judgement as "fake;declared by a pro" as fact. when in fact it is merely his opinion.and an opinion that is based on not a whole lot of skill.

and just so you know, i'm a cg guy. i do this for a living. i already modelled, lit and rendered the thing a few days ago and posted it on ats. i spent 45mins on it and it's virtually indistinquishable from chad's images.

i'm not arguing with anyone on whether or not the images can be faked...in 10 mins or 55 years.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

bd2k+ says:

he doesn't have the innate ability to ever get it to the level of these photos.

do i detect a jealous cgi junkie defending his own work?Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

Octal Khan says:

CG geeks can't resist putting Aurebesh or Klingon all over everything :)Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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picoduck says:

it's quite clear from fxmodels' simple demo that pics like this can be easily created. i'm convinced now that with more time and effort one could bemade to look exactly like the pics posted by rajman. sp_34, you're unnecessarily harsh, ease up a little, ok? this was a proof of concept, not adefinitive work, i think the rest of us get that. why don't you go ahead and post yours here?

as for the pic sizing issue, flickr states here (http://www.flickr.com/help/photos/#18) that for free accounts no original images are retained and thatthey resize them to maximum 1024 pixels per side. you must have a pro account to show and make available original images for downloads.

as for the astanhope's font comment earlier, it doesn't look japanese, but it most certainly resembles klingon font and btw, you can download andinstall that font and use it.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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spf_34 says:

"you're unnecessarily harsh, ease up a little, ok?"

yes, i am. i've been obsessed with this whole for going on 5 days. and if you knew me, you'd know.

apologies fxmodels. i think i am projecting my frustrations with this topic from elsewhere on you.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )


spf 34 - then I would like to see your rendering so that I may see for myself. I cant just take "fxmodel doesn't have the innate ability to ever get it to thelevel of these photos" and "i spent 45 mins on it and it's virtually indistinquishable from chad's images" as fact, when it is merely your opinion, and anopinion that is based on an as of yet unproven amount of skill.

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spf_34 says:

see, now this is what i didn't want...to possibly be accused of wanting a pissing contest or ego stroke. i'm not going to post my work here. i alreadyposted a link to the thread at ats. you can find it there.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

bethlovesmadonna says:

yeah. put your CG money where your mouth is spf_34. show us your superior modeling techniques. and bd2k+ and Octal- LOL!Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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fxmodels says: http://www.dronehoax.com/

SPF..

I look forward to seeing your work actually. I am intrigued. I will go to ATS and search for it. Where do I look? Thanks for the apology, you get one in return if I pissed you off too...


ajholman says:

spf, i've looked right through that thread and can't find your cgi example. could you give us a pointer? we won't think you are being big-headedPosted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )


spf 34 - I couldnt find it either. I hoped you'd post it here so we don't have to wade through all 18 pages of ATS....which I did to no avail. Can you linkto it directly?Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

chauss513 says:

It's all true, They are here, I got one of the suckers trying to steal beer from me last night.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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picoduck says:

you must be spf33 at the ats forum:www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread281345/pg29#pid3205150

your pic is good, too. i see you obtained the original pics from c2c.. too bad Lex didn't give you the ip address of Chad, they must have the originalemail and know how to expand the headers? i was thinking the same thing, to compare that ip with rajman's from the craigslist and flickr postings, aswell as with the woman from Tahoe. if no match no info, but if they match.. then the game's over. unfortunately, this info is nearly impossible to get for


privacy and legal reasons...

incidentally, i also noticed that rajman has posted his yahoo address in his profile here. it was not posted before late last night. he also gives his fullname. have you written to him?Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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spf_34 says:

hey picoduck, yeah, thats it. i did another, the one with the yellow flowers, but not wanting to muddy the waters, i didn't post it.

yeah, lex kinda implied that he might have ip #'s, but is respecting chad's requested anonymity.

nice job, thanks for the heads up on the email for rajman1977.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

timashbrooke says:

just because you can create, or recreate this thing with software, doesn't mean it's not real! Anything you can see can be recreated using CG!It's like me taking a picture of a car parked on the side of a road and you saying I don't believe it's there because I can recreate the same scene usingCG!?!?!?!I'm not saying it's real, but I am saying don't jump to conclusions just because you CG artists can do this in the computer. It seem like a battle of theego's now!! (I can do better than that! etc)Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

automatist says:

This guy rendered his model using radiosity.Still like it though...Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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spf_34 says:

the reason you are seeing a lot of cg people jump on this is because the object shows very particular shape, lighting, and shadowing characteristicswhich are VERY typical of current rendering engines.

Many of these render engines and techniques have a telltale look and feel to them. So perhaps if someone spots one of these characteristics, we canstart to better determine whether or not this thing is rendered.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

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toyrobot says:

I'm a 3ds Max user, Autodesk trained, have TAUGHT Max and also a fairly accomplished Photoshop user. I've looked at most of the pix, but haveexamined #0017 (this one) in detail.

I must say that the photos taken as a group sure seem to be a3d rendered model. There are some lighting issues with the model fitting into the photo,but they are fairly slight.

One thing I CAN say FOR SURE is that IF these pix are faked (and I think this is just some viral campaign for Transformers), the people executingthe comps are VERY GOOD. I have examined a ton of photoshopped photos, and this one is clean all the way to the pixel level.

I do have to agree there seem to be some lighting abberations between the photo and the 'object.' They are subtle.

One other point: Others have described a propulsion system for such a device... I must ask, if the propulsion system functioned as described,wouldn't the 'object' need to be fairly symetrical? Seems to me the large 'fin' on one side would be VERY off center of the center of thrust. But I'm nota rocket scientist...Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink )

weedymedusa says:

why does everyone think this is about transformers in particular? Does it resemble anything to do with it? The transformers are completelyaesthetically different. Not to mention, what about all the hubris and legal issues/disgrace with the aqua teen hunger force marketing fiasco in boston?I'm just not sure a major studio would actually partake in something like this now, at least not before the dust has settled. They would especially nothave these things flying around (if they did--why wouldn't they send one over the kodak theatre tonight?) and if they were simply trying to create a stirwith a planted hoax, why coast to coast am? by posting it that particular way, they were taking a chance of not even being seen. it's luck that it evenmade it on. And LOTS of dumb stupid things and abovious hoaxes make it to the viewer photo section. one guy posted a shadow of his bass guitaron the ceiling. a very recent one was so painfully obviously dumb (the one with the 'see-through' wallet. god.) I think a studio would probably useyoutube, to insure it gets seen. oh wait--a studio would use a professionally produced VIDEO.

I wish someone would get obsessed over my Victim of the Beast 666 headstone that was posted at Coast to Coast.Posted 2 weeks ago. ( permalink ) http://www.dronehoax.com/

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fxmodels says:

I looked on the ATS site at SPF's image... If I read it right, the model he used was someone else's? If that is true, well no wonder it only took 45minutes to work it.

Not sure if I misread it though so SPF will correct this I am sure.


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account hacked?spf_34 says:

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how secure is flickr?

sorry...currently the link is not safe for work. Posted at 7:10AM, 5 June 2007 PDT ( permalink ) heather (staff) edited this topic 42 minutes ago.

smilesalot123454321 says:

apparently not very! but i do not think that posting porn is the best way to raisethe awareness of this Posted 65 minutes ago. ( permalink )

dbthayer says:

spf_34:

do a forums search for "hijacking" and/or "phishing" and you'll have your answer. Posted 62 minutes ago. ( permalink )

heather says:

Given that we don't like to be finger pointy in the forums, I've removed theURL. Report Abuse, linked from the footer of every page is the best way to bring accounts to our attention. Posted 41 minutes ago. ( permalink )

spf_34 says:

not pointing fingers, i asked a question in regards to what the text on imageposted on the account said. Posted 40 minutes ago. ( permalink )

dbthayer says:

what the text on image posted on the account said

the text on the image was incorrect.lowly account hijiackers often like to imagine themselves as "hackers". there's a world of difference. Posted 32 minutes ago. ( permalink )

spf_34 says:

well, respectfully, i disagree on your definitions.

why argue semantics for the umpteenth time?

the account's security was compromised, information was deleted, now the entire account is deleted.

and i payed yesterday to upgrade rajman1977 to a pro account! Posted 27 minutes ago. ( permalink )

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