Lady Parts Vlog Talking Teal Episode 12: July 31, 2016Transcript by @Haylz_scho

L: Hello, and welcome everyone to Talking Teal the finale. Welcome I'm Liron CohenM: And I am Mimi TorchinL: We have a lot to talk about today. And when we were saying we were comparing this to a group therapy session, we never thought how much real this would be..M: How much of a group therapy session it really would be.L: Especially this one. First of all, we would like to thank Kate Jenkinson for not only giving us an interview, but the first exclusive post-finale interview. Which we were honoured.M: And she was such a wonderful guest, and such a wonderful interview. I think she really helped, because I know Kate is getting the same emails and the same comments that we are getting, she really helped us understand and accept Bea's death.L: Or at least start on the process.M: Exactly. One of the things I have always said, and I want to say it about Kate - The best actors are smart actors, and she's so highly intelligent and that came through in all her answers, and also her warmth and humour.L: And also not to mention she paid a compliment to all of us through our interview with the cast members, she see's why the characters are so compelling because every actor that we have interviewed including the directors, are so intelligent and so intelligent; highly tuned to people's emotions, and observant. Really enjoyed every one of these interviews, and every actor, director or writer we have talked to has exceeded our expectations..M: In everyway.. Not that we didn't expect a lot from them, but they gave so much more then we could have hoped.L: And thank you all for all your beautiful comments, your support, your likes, your follows.. Everything, we really appreciate it. We..M: We must acknowledge..L: This community, the Wentworth community really showed us how

beautiful it is in the last few days, since we first posted Kate's interview. First we have to give a huge thank you to Hayley, who transcribed all three of our interviews and is now, overnight, has transcript Talking Teal episode 11. She says she will transcribe this Talking Teal, and the After Party Talking Teal next week, and possibly go back and transcribe previous Talking Teals. First of all, I told her I think she is some sort of magical creature or something, I don't know how she does it, especially over night.. Cause we talk a lot..M: If transcription was considered a talent, she could go on America's got Talent and win.L: So thank you so much Hayley, and Hayley's transcripts have been used a lot by other Wentworth volunteers who are now transcribing them into other languages. All just completely voluntary, out of the kindness of their heart - We can't tell you how much this means to us, and of course some of our audience who is either hearing impaired or don't understand English all that well. So right now we have the following languages in the words: Arabic, Hebrew, Spanish, French, Dutch, German, Russian.. And I'm sure that I am forgetting more. Thank you, we love you all..M: You all are absolutely amazing!L: In fact let's see if between the two of us we can say I love you in all these languages..M: Oh, it's not going to happen.*Proceeds to say "I love you" in various different languagesL: So thank you, we love you allM: Thank you so muchL: Another little thing before we get into the episode, thank you so much for filling out the survey for Anne who is trying to put together a Wentworth fan gathering. The survey is now closed and she is not going over all the data and analysing it, and soon enough she will tell us what the next step is. So we thank you, we hope to make it happen and we look forward to seeing most of you in the flesh in 2017 as possible. A lot of you wrote to me saying you feel better now you've written and why did I take so long to write to you... So we are happy..M: It's good to get things off your chest.

L: And a lot of you have shared some very personal things with us, we feel honoured that you feel you can do that and thank you very much, it means a lot to us.M: You are amazing people..L: You're so amazing that this is all that I had to read *Flicks through heaps of pages* in the last 24 hoursM: I would read them too, but Liron says that only one person can read them allL: Well realistically. So here's what I did - because there were so many emails, and a lot of you mentioned the same things, this is going to be a little different. I'm not going to address specific emails, apart from very very specific notes, I took everything you said and joined it together to produce one coherent thing. So yesterday I put a picture of Kerri off homeland sitting there will all these pieces of papers and notes surrounding her, and I managed to pull it all into one document..M: You're remarkable..L: I'm not remarkable.. I am proud of myself because I was anxious, I had serious Talking Teal anxiety before that task. We had emails from all over the world, and I'd like to acknowledge some: USA, Canada, France, Australia, Germany, Tasmania, UK, South Africa, Argentina, Tanesha, Israel, Russia, Holland, Poland, Switzerland, Sweden and more. I was also thrilled on Instagram the other day that we have Hungarian viewers, I am now as they call me #half Hungarian.M: They do call you that..L: So big shout out to our Hungarian viewers.. We are going to read out the names of everyone who wrote, a lot of first time writers. Everyone that wrote to us this week, we are grateful to you.M: We are in your debt for Talking Teal, and this Talking Teal in particularL: So why don't you read the first part..M: Barry, Kelsey, Dawn, Anlaw, Denise, Elizabeth, Liz, Caroline, Anastasia, Leu, Deborah, Liz Brown, Emily, Sarah, Lin and Camille..L: Jillian, Layla, Kathy, Dee, Doris, Liza, Lusia, Louta, Nina, Stacey, Jane, Nadia, Ava, Marcy, Heather, Estelle, Sophie, Elizabeth the 3rd, Lilly,

Kelly and Chrissy. Thank you so very much for all your contribution.M: And the reason we include your last names on the Liz's and Elizabeth's is because we have so many of them..L: Ok, so now we're going to get into the episode. Here's what we did, first of all we have to talk about Bea, obiosuly.M: I have something particular to say about Bea. Bea is dead.L: Yes, this is the first thing that we need to say. We are in mourning, we are sitting shiver on Bea.M: And I am representing the light..L: Right so we are representing the two major ways of dressing up for someones death.. Black and white. And we did scatter her ashes last week..M: Well we did it symbolically.. We didn't have any ashes to scatterL: First of all, Bea is dead. I know that a lot of you are still in denial, and we will get to that.. But Bea is dead. First of all, season 5 has started shooting, and this morning I saw that Danielle Instagramed from Bangkok, she is obviously not in Australia and shooting season 5. We have talked to a source of authority who is very very high up in Wentworth and they said - the only official statement out there is Jo Porter's that clearly states that Bea is dead, and Danielle is no longer employed on Wentworth, everything else is a fake including that tweet from Foxtel, the press release that someone posted. Something about Robbie Magasiva tweeting something to someone.. Something about 'remember Game of Thrones', however, this is not a Jon Snow situation here, there are no supernatural forces on this show..M: There are no witches.. No dragonsL: Even though the case could be made for Joan FergusonM: In a way she could be a dragon and a witch..L: But as far as I am concerned, pulling a Jon Snow in this case would be worse then killing Bea.M: It doesn't seem like the sort of thing that these writers would do..L: No, and we got a confirmation from that source, that it is not a Jon Snow situation here. So we have a pretty good, solid argument that Bea is dead. I think it's better that we go through the stages of accepting this now, then having to have our hopes us until season 5,

for them to come crashing down. Bea is dead. It happens. Characters get killed off, I know this is very painful..M: People die, it happens..L: In real life too. This is very painful, we hear your pain, we hear your sadness, your anger..M: We feel it.. We share it..L: But we also have a little bit of a different perspective on this, and we hope that our perspective will help you reach that point of acceptance and let go and remember the good times... And really process this. So I was going to do some research on this, but Lily from Switzerland who is very proud of her Swish-American psychologist Elizabeth Cobbler Ross, she actually laid out the 5 stages of grief to me..M: In probably the most famous book ever written about death, is called 'On death and dying' and it is a hand book on how to deal with dying and how to deal with the death and lose of someone you love.L: So are all familiar with the 5 stages of grief, and I saw a lot of all 5 of those stages in all your emails granted more of one particular stage, and I'll get to that. This is the process that a lot of you said, I don't understand this, this is a fictional character.. Why am I feeling this way? Why can't I stop crying? It's a fictional character, but this is the power of story telling.M: The power of Bea's character, the story telling, a show that has done as well as Wentworth should make you feel a lose of a lovely character.L: So the first stage of grief is denial, which is described as refusing to face facts and reality. Some of you have these theories, which are apparently big on social media right now. One of the theories is that maybe they'll save her? You all told me that you counted 13 stabs, plus the final twist..M: Final twist of the knife..L: I don't think that you can come back from that, though someone did send me an article about someone who survived like 56 stab wounds or something..M: They probably weren't all to the vital organs, you know. This was all into her vital organs.

L: The second theory is that they are faking her death to get a confession from Ferguson, that she was wearing blood packs under her sweatshirt..M: Not possible, no way shape or form. That thing (screwdriver) was this long, Bea is this wide.. It's not possible. A blood pack is this thick, if she had some sort of protective gear.. She would have felt it.. And eventually with the force of the shiv thrust into Bea it would have penetrated that too, it's just not possible..L: Even if she had done what she did in the last season..M: By wrapping herself with those papers..L: .. It's not possible.M: And she didn't have time to do it...L: And back then she had days and days and days of taking those blood thickeners. The craziest theory was maybe it was all a hallucination bought on by her concussion, so you're basically saying that it was Dallas and..M: She's going to wake up in the showers and go..L: It was all a dream..M: .. Ohh hello Allie.. I've been waiting for you. No, not going to happen, it's not Dallas, it's WentworthL: And thank god..M: It's Wentworth..L: Would we want it to be Dallas? With all the respect for Dallas, but no. This is some of your theories for the denial part, so I hope by now with some of the things out there and remember everything you have seen on the contrary is fake and we have it on good authority that it is fake. So please take our word for it, she is dead. So the second stage is, that most of you seem to be stuck in..M: Absolutely, like quick sand..L: Is anger. Which is described as you are emotionally upset and anger with yourself or someone else.. Which I'm pretty sure you're not angry with yourself. This episode was written by Pete Mcdie and directored by Kevin Karlan..M: KudusL: Who are two of Wentworth's heavy weights.. You are very angry

and I think, much like real life.. We are angry when someone that we love dies, then we either option have the option of being angry at, say it was an accident; being angry at the other person.. But most the time we're angry at either God, or nature or the disease. Just angry at nobody in particular..M: There's normally nowhere to direct that anger normally..L: Yea, there's nobody we feel that we can say - look this shouldn't of happen, you shouldn't of done this. In this case, you do have someone you can direct you anger to, the writers, the producers, who ever made the decision. You feel that they should have and could have prevented this. So I think this is another reason why it's harder to get out of the anger part of this, because you feel like you have someone you can direct your anger towards and this could have be avoidable.M: One of the things that several of you said, they should of anticipated how the feels would feel and be more responsive of the grief the fans would of felt. And my answer to that, having been in the business of entertainment as a critic, an actor, a writer - I have to tell you this, they are under no obligation, no creator is under the obligation to write something that they know will make you happy. In order to be true, you have to have a real drama, show that you believe in, that you are invested in. You have to stay true to the integrity of the story and your characters. The viewers can't dictate story. Also it's very important that story comes out of character, and this one in particular I think the story absolutely came out of Bea's character.L: I think that artists in television these days and especially Wentworth is art, and I think art is always is trying to find a balance between wanting to be true to their creation, wanting to be loved and wanting to please their audience but it's a very tricky situation and as an audience, I think that even though there are certain things they should know to give us, there are also things that we need to allow them to do..M: Absolutely. We have to be entered into a contract..L: We need to trust each other..M: Yes, they do try and do things that please you, the whole idea of TV, movies and theatre is to entertain, to enlighten, to bring you into a

story. You have to also allow them to do things that are real and that advances the story in the best possible way. Yes they make mistakes, but in a show like Wentworth they don't usually and I don't feel.. Neither of us do.. That this was a mistake.L: And we call them on all the mistakes that they make and you've seen especially our last Talking Teal, someone said it was brutal actually.. We sort of just called them to test on all their mistakes, but in this case we actually cheer them on. That doesn't contradict that we love Bea, we're going to miss her tremendously..M: We would rather she didn't have to die..L: But the fact that this show brings out these emotions from people, is because it's such a great show, not because it's a bad show and they've done something wrong, but because ...M: They've done everything right..L: Exactly. It bought you in so close, you were so invested that it hurt so much. And that's what it was meant to do. If you were indifferent then something was wrong here.M: Exactly, it wouldn't have mattered and you wouldn't have cared for 12 episodes.. Or 4 years..L: We're going to discuss all of your arguments for why you are angry, and we're going to try and show the other side, or some other way to look at it, lets talk about it together and have a discussion together. And we would love to hear what you think about our opinions and your opinions, and again I've just put all your opinions into one whole thing. First of all, everybody's main concern is that they killed the lesbian. Bury your gay trobe.. LGBT fans deserve better. I think you know, and anyone who has been following Lady Parts knows that I am one of the biggest advocates for LGBT Fans Deserves Better. I took Sally Wainwright to task when she killed Kate on Last Tango in Halifax.. I wrote numerous blog posts about it, we talked about it many many times.M: We both were quite enraged and we didn't hold back..L: We're very much on the forefront of the movement of carrying flags. However I don't feel this was the case, on this show and I'll tell you why. Bea was not a new character that was not bought on for the

sack of being the token lesbian, we have known her for 4 years, and she's not even officially a lesbian. Her story bought her to her death, not being a lesbian. We've seen her for 4 years we know her, we know her journey, so it makes total sense.. It's not like they came out and just killed a lesbian. Secondly, we can't say 'don't ever kill the lesbian'. Lesbians too are mortal, just like the rest of us. The thing that we stipulate, the stipulation is - do not kill a lesbian in the sole purpose of advancing a straight character's story. Bea did not die to advance any straight people's story, Bea died because it was the ending to her story. Third, the show has killed and I believe, through out it's 4 seasons, Bea is the only one out of those 10 people who wasn't even a lesbian, but was in a lesbian relationship prior to her death. So in terms of statistics, it's pretty good. And also, in her mind Bea died to be with Allie because she thought that Allie was dead too, so she actually died to preserve her lesbian relationship rather than to punish her for her lesbian relationship. To me, I would have complained about Wentworth killing the lesbian, if they had killed Allie instead of Bea. Because Allie was a new character that was lesbian, who her death would have propelled Bea's story, for all we know then Bea would have closed up again in her cell for never having a lesbian relationship for the rest of the series. To me, if they had killed Allie instead of Bea, then that would have been a classic killing the lesbian but killing Bea doesn't follow the criteria. And it's a very dangerous thing for us to do to tell producers and writers..M: That they can't kill lesbians..L: .. In general, because you know what will happen if you do that, then they will stop having lesbians in general on their show. Because they'll say - everything we do with them, they complain and they hate us and start partitions. You have to be reasonable, and again when it's true, we say it.M: More power to go out and get them, but when it's something that is integral to the story and the fact that everybody dies..L: Especially in prison there is violence..M: Yes but you know at some point, gay characters are going to have to die.. Lesbians are going to have to die. You can't impose that on a

show, they will turn on you because it's too hard for them.L: It's too much of a risk, why bother?! We must apologies, it's a very misty bad and the fog seems to have entered the house, we have closed the door, and hope that it'll get better but if you see us through a screen of fog..M: It is the mist that's come off the water we are near, and moved on through the woods and we are surrounded by some fog.. So you are going to see a foggy picture, we have cleaned the lens, we have cleaned the sensor..L: It's actually quite artistic..M: Well we are talking about that are sort of misty.. Mystical..L: Misty eyed. So now that we have discussed killed the lesbian theme, lets move onto the next problems.M: We're still in anger aren't we?L: Oh we're in anger for awhile, we are going to be in anger for a long time, as I suspect most the Wentworth fans will be. Ok here are some story creditability and hole issues that you have been talking about. Let me stipulate that all the things we are talking about, the holes in Joan's narrative, we stand up. The way we got here was very fuzzy..M: It seems the narrative was serving Joan's agenda..L: Or serving..M: Keeping Pamela on the show, and that is particularly true. On the other hand, it turns out, Joan's agenda was serving Bea's story .. And getting her to the place at the end, where she could be released and die.L: So we thought the entire season was there to serve Joan, but as it turns out it was partially to keep her on the show but mostly, Joan was serving Bea's plot. It is clear now looking back, how it was all meant to bring her to where she is now.. Because it needed to be something extreme to bring her to this point. Some people have asked why would Bea give up on Allie so easily and so quickly? The doctors say there's nothing to do and she gives up on her, why would she do that?M: I think Bea believed that she was going to die.L: Here's what I think. I think when we find Bea at the beginning of the season, she had just been sentenced to life with no parole, she had

just lost everybody she cared about in the world because of herself. She was the reason these people she loved, primarily Debbie of course, died. She is in a terrible place where she is depressed, she hates herself, she doesn't know how she got to where she was, she was cutting, she was just a shell of what she used to be. In comes Allie, and she resists her for a long time, but finally she gives in and she becomes in love. And what happens when we're in love, we're sort of in this 'dream like' state, where all of sudden everything is warm and fuzzy and there is hope for the future, and there's a reason to live. And all of a sudden Allie dies; or for all intensive purposes in Bea's mind she's going to die, she's practically dead.. It's just a matter of time till she's dead. And to me, that was a snap. Coming out of that dream state, and going back to episode 1 of season 4, but not it's worse because she's killed another person that she loves. So I think that combination of despair, grief, guilt and just a general sense of 'I should not be loving anybody, because anybody that I love is dead. So not only am I sentenced to life in prison, but I will never allow myself to love anyone in my life ever again'. Why should she live?M: But what does this have to do with letting Allie go?L: Because to me the moment when they told her 'there's nothing you can do, she's going to die' it snapped her out of that dream state she was in when she was in love and bought her back to that place where she was so full of guilt and despair that, that was it. There was a reason why for a long time she refused Allie, and it wasn't just because she was emotionally stunted but also remember in her mind, everyone she loves dies and she has pretty good evidence to show that that's true. So she finally lets her guide down which isn't easy for her, and in a split second she learns that she dies everything from before comes rushing back in and that's it.. I have to die, I can't keep doing this to people..M: Well, and she let her go in her mind so that she could be with her. Which is why she said 'wait for me.. Take care of Debbie'. She wanted to release her from her holding on, to maybe be with Bea.. Let her go into a better place and Bea could follow her..L: So that's why i think Bea gave up on Allie so quickly, it wasn't that

quickly, it was something that's been building for a long time, and she just let herself be weak for a little while and fall in love with someone, and here's what happened again.. So I think that's the reason. Another problem that you have is, did they dumb Bea down this season just so she would end this way?M: Well this is also, this thing.. First of all, she had lost the will to live. She wasn't as sharp as she was, we were saying that all the way through - that Bea had lost her edge.L: And she had good reason toM: Absolutely. She really didn't have much of a reason to live, so she was not as sharp, she was lost in her own pain and her own anger at the world, and her own lose of will. And she didn't want to be top dog anymore, that also made her weak. She was tired, I think she was just tired. She knew she had a life sentence to face, and I think that edge that she had built up.. She's a very smart character, just dissipated.. And then she fell in love. Falling in love as you know, makes you stupid. You see that person, you see a future with that person, you lose your perspective on what you need to have especially in prison. I don't think she was dumb, I think she was lost.L: And as Jane said, Ferguson was right (dammit) everybody was going to leave her, even Allie in 10 years would leave her, and she would of spent the rest of her life in prison losing everyone she loved. She had nothing to look forward to, so I think her general state of mind this season was very understandable and very organic to her journey. So in response to Kate saying 'they wouldn't have had anymore stories to tell', your saying the show is only in it's fourth year, there were plenty of stories still to tell about Bea.M: But they weren't stories, they would have been repetitive. There was nothing new for Bea to do, and I think because of their love for Bea, and what Bea meant to people, they wanted Bea to go out on a high. She was a hero, a tragic heroine of Shakespearian proportion.L: She threw herself on the grenade to save everybody else.M: It was actually a beautiful story..L: And it was true to herself. Bea was always that kind of person, she was the person who would have jumped on a grenade for everybody

else, especially seen she's the one with less to loose.M: And what ever story was left for her, like Kate said, what would have happened with Ballie. They would of had to go through problems - they would have been happy for awhile, and then had to break up and then something would happen. Bea had already lost top dog, what was she going to be, a follower? It was all down hill basically, apart from maybe a few more episodes of happiness from there, this is prison. And Bea was too important, she was too big, she meant too much to everybody to let her story end in a whimper. So they ended her story with a bang.L: I'm happy to report we seem to be out of the haze.M: The fog has lifted.L: You know what I feel, it feels like we were sitting in a cloud..M: Waiting for Bea.L: Yea, so I actually think that was very symbolic. Maybe that was her spirit coming to be with us..M: Bea's a character..L: Well, I don't know.. I'm feeling a little emotional..M: VerklemptL: I'm sorry Hayley in advance that you have to transcribe verklempt..M: VerklemptL: I don't think it matters how you spell it, haha a Kiwi learning Edish, I love that. You had a few technical problems..M: Also what about the shock factor?L: Hold on, we have a lot of anger to process. First of all, some of you said Allie had this respiratory syndrome arother.. And all of a sudden she wakes up. One second there's nothing they can do for her, and then all of sudden she wakes up.M: Well first off, they shocked her.. They resuscitated her.. That does a lot of thing..L: Hold on a second, to the people who asked why would they resuscitate her if there was nothing to do.. She didn't have a DNR, doctors will do everything within their powers to try and save you until you are absolutely dead unless you have a DNR, and there's no reason for a young healthy woman to have a DNR.

M: And even if she did have one somewhere, they wouldn't of had it.. They knew she didn't want to die. You have to believe in miracles.. Medical miracles happen all the time. People come out of coma's after 5 years..L: Not just on soap operas..M: No, in real life. As long as you're not dead, and she was not dead, things can happen, and this happened. And I don't find it at all a stretch and maybe that's because I've been watching medical shows for 40 years. I've been watching them even longer then you. There are medical miracles, there are things that can not be explained and she wasn't dead, she was in this acute respiratory syndrome. I don't think she's going to get up and walk around..L: It's not saying she's going to have a long road ahead of her..M: She woke up from a coma, but she's going to take a long time to recover..L: Yea she's not off her breathing machine, she just woke up. That means good chances, but she still has a long road ahead of her. Secondly, you say Vera should of known that the recording that they planned, wouldn't have been admissible anyway, as Bea is a prisoner and it was taken outside the prison.M: Well I don't think the fact that (Jane please advise us about this.. Legal advisor) I don't think the fact, and prisoners testify against people all the time..L: No but the recording itself because it was taken outside the prison.. What was Bea doing outside the prison?M: Well, I don't know. I think that I'm happy to accept that. Will in suspension of disbelief people.L: Well in certain doses.. Small doses, it actually works. But in this case I'm willing to suspend my disbelief, though more to the point, she didn't end up taking her phone with her..M: No she didn't, and let's face it Vera has made a lot of errors of judgement, and execution..L: And they were desperate.M: Absolutely. She was so desperate not to have Ferguson to walk free that it could have been a mistake, that's Vera.

L: Unfortunately that has been Vera this season. Thirdly, you say that Jasper should have had a police escort, he only had two guards and they both seemed to be quite dim-witted. He is the main witness in a high profile court case, I agree with you.M: I absolutely agree..L: I don't know if that's standard, again Jane, maybe you know?M: Also the only person they had to fear was Joan and maybe they still were underestimating her.L: Also you're saying, Bea should of had guards hiding behind the van..M: Well Vera should of thought of that..L: But don't forget that they were doing something that was completely illegal, to involving officers and guards in it, I guess Vera couldn't as this was a very specific agreement between Vera and Bea.M: First of all, they didn't know Bea was taking a shive to kill Joan, and I don't think they expected Joan to attack Bea.. For no reason.L: But they should of, as Joan tried to drown her only a few episodes ago..M: True, but she was getting ready to leave.. She was released. So it wouldn't have made sense, she wouldn't have given them the confession they needed, but there wasn't reason to believe that she would harm her.L: I think also because it was highly illegal what she was doing, she couldn't tell two officers to help, it's just not right. A couple of people have asked, I know Ferguson wanting to kill Jasper and Will, but why did she mess with Bea and Kaz and everybody else. To me, besides the fact that Bea was going to testify against her, so she did have reason to want to kill Bea..M: And Bea helped bring her down in the first place..L: Right so she has a personal agenda against Bea. But also to me, this is all part of Ferguson's intense OCD, if she needs to organise everything including coffee stains..M: .. In her mind..L: Then she needs to organise people, she needs to know she is in control of what goes on. And I think people more than coffee stains are unpredictable and it drives her crazy.

M: And she's a control freak. She's not just a freak, she's a control freak, a freak in many ways..L: She's a freak in many ways.. What is that suppose to mean?M: She's just a freak... A crazy bitch. But her need to control everything is integral to herself, and I think that's drummed into her by her father...L: And her psychosis, and a lot of other things. Another thing, if the show didn't have more stories for Bea, but it has more stories for Ferguson? I agree with you, the only way that I can excuse this is that again Ferguson was there to move Bea's plot..M: She was there to serve Bea..L: And now, and this is the very important caveat..M: Caveat caveat caveat..L: Wentworth writers you better be listening.. The only way we can accept Bea's death is if Ferguson goes down now, she has to pay for this..M: Has to go down for this, go down in flames..L: So as far as I am concerned, there were more stories of Ferguson to accommodate Bea, but now in season 5 she has to go down, and she has to be gone.M: She has to go to jail..L: And not in Wentworth.M: No, not in Wentworth!L: I mean I understand if there's more stories for her in season 5 in the aftermath, but this is it.M: She goes away, she stays locked up, life in prison or a psychiatric ward..L: And then our characters move on with new stories, because let me tell you if there is a story that is old now..M: Really stinky that smells like fish, old fishL: It's the Ferguson story, and it's time to be done with it. Do your wrappings up with it in season 5 and then be done with it. We want the story to go back to our characters, there are so many interesting characters on this show..M: So many.. SONIA. Let me just say, if Danielle Cormac could be

sacrificed for story, and she was brilliant and beautifully, then you must sacrifice Pamela Rabe.. As much as we love her, on the same alter, the alter of story. Be strong.L: Another argument is that the writers killed Bea for shock value.M: Absolutely not. Bea's death wasn't shock value..L: It wasn't shocking at all.. The whole season led up to it..M: The whole season was preparation for her death, and if you watch it from the beginning, now knowing the end you'll see it all.. It's like the movie the sixth sense when you find out the end of it, you go Oh my god.. It makes sense. I went back immediately in 2 days in the theatre and watched it again, and you see everything leading up to the shocking end. It had to be.. All the clues were there.L: To me, the whole season was a love story.. A love story to Bea. And also, many of you said it was Shakespearian, Juliet and Juliet.. They took a classic and made it lesbian..M: Star crossed lovers from the beginning..L: The two crowds that were on opposite sides, the two people from the opposite crows falling in love but having to hide, the tragic ending.. So this was, the entire season was Shakespearian, and nobody ever said that Shakespeare was doing something for shock value..M: No, he was the greatest tragedian out of the history of the world and, this was the classic Romeo and Juliet..L: Juliet and Juliet, we have our own lesbian Juliet and Juliet..M: And it's been done in so many different manifestations before because it is the ultimate of tragic stories, and that's absolutely what it was.L: Yes and I know you don't like thinking of Bea as tragic.. Why did she have to be tragic?M: She was from the beginning..L: Her story was, it's not like they just turned her into it. If you go to the beginning of the show, she has always been a tragic figure with every single story that she's had, she's a tragic figure..M: A tragic heroine and belovedL: People addressed this as a suicide, and it went in two different ways. Sophie said it was very predictable from the very beginning

when she started cutting herself and all that she was going to commit suicide. We didn't see it as a suicide, we saw it as you like to say..M: Martyrdom. I feel that rather then suicide, it was a martyrdom. Her first thought wasn't 'oh I'm going to kill myself' but doing what she had to do to get rid of Ferguson and she knew that she would probably die in the process, and she was ready to do that. That's a martyr, that's not wanting to die, even though she was ready to die with the thought of Allie not being there, and spending her life in prison. I think the thought of dying was beautiful and glorious and she already had had the vision of Debbie. So the other side was something beautiful, but even though she prepared for it - she put the pictures up on the wall of the people she loved, she said goodbye to them, she said to Kaz that everything will be alright..L: And if I could just said, that the 'everything will be alright' people have asked why she did this, this is a classic, when people have had thoughts about death for a long time and they finally know they're going to die, mostly because they kill themselves, the last few days or hours are very..M: Euphoric..L: Yes, because they finally feel whole and ready and happy. And many times elated, and now that's not true for everybody but it does happen often in many cases, so her all of sudden smiling and saying that everything will be ok, most likely is part of it. And the reason she didn't want to tell Kaz about Allie I think is because she didn't want to disturb anything..M: The equilibriumL: .. Before she needed to do what she needed to do with Ferguson. She didn't want to start Kaz off on an emotional rampage, she wanted to kind of pass on the baton, because she knew she was leaving the girls in her hands.M: There will be hell to pay. But as far as I am concerned, Bea was a martyr to herself in the cause.L: And speaking of in her mind it was beautiful and glorious.. Anastasia raised a concern that this is a problem when shows and films display suicide (again, we don't see it as suicide) as something beautiful and

tempting, that it could idealise suicide to people. I am no stranger and I have been open about my struggles with mental health in the past and suicidal idealisation.. And I've also gone through training for the Trevor Project, and here's what they teach you there - Don't be afraid to ask someone if they have had suicidal thoughts, don't be afraid that you are going to put the idea in their heads, you can't do that. If someone has already had thoughts about it, then you'll just be inviting them to open up and talk to you about it, which is very important. If they haven't had them, then they're not going to all of a suddenly say - Oh that's a great idea, I haven't thought about it. So to me, I agree with you Anastasia as someone who has had a lot of thoughts about death in the past, I know that in the past when I saw someone on TV or film who committed suicide or thought about it, it looked idealised.. It looked tempting. It doesn't so much anymore because I'm not there.M: But it didn't push you..L: The point is though, that is me, that is not them. And it's not like they put the idea in my head, because now that I'm not suicidal at all it doesn't look beautiful at all to me; it looks tragic, it looks sad, it looks very far away from me.M: Yes cause everyone has thoughts of suicide at some stage in their life, I have essays written about it, I have plays written about it, I have poems by the REMs (which you haven't seen by the way) that are all about dying. I don't find suicide at all appealing, and when I see it happening I never think - Oh, that's a good idea. I think most of us are able to watch a show, take it with the context of the drama, I don't think that it gives people who haven't thought about it ideas of suicide. And even if you have had thoughts of suicide, that it turns on a switch that goes 'Oh yea'.L: I think that if you are feeling suicidal, or suicide ideas are close to the surface and you haven't worked through them yet, then you don't have to see a suicide to feel like that, you can see it in so many other things as well, you are seeing what you what to see.M: I mean I think it's certainly possible for a minority of people..L: Yes, but I think the problem is not in the narrative, the problem is that it's our sensitivity and sensibility to it at the moment that it is. So I

don't think it's the responsibility of the show, the show certainly didn't portray it as 'you all should try to kill yourself, it's really grand' they were telling a dramatic story..M: No more than a story about serial killers.. I love Dextor.. There are serial killers that are actually made attractive, but it doesn't make someone who has anger issues or have had thoughts about killing someone a serial killer.L: Unless they were already on the trajectory, and then they'd be looking for reasons to be doing it in everything not just on TV. I think it's too much responsibility to put on a show, and again you can't not portray things in fear..M: That they'll set something off in people..L: I mean if you're doing it in a responsible way.M: We do complain a lot about the amount of violence that we have in our entertainment, and I do think there is too much violence actually, and we live in a violent world..L: And it desensitises people..M: Especially video games, it does desensitises people.L: Especially kids..M: So there is some validity to that..L: Absolutely, but this is not the case, at least in my opinion. I also don't think Bea went out there knowing that this was going to happen, I think her Plan A was to kill Ferguson, but let's get real.. Ferguson is about twice her side..M: David and GoliathL: Just in terms of the height, she immediately took the screwdriver out of her hand, she has the height advantage and she's big and she's strong. I think Bea hoped she could kill her since she had nothing to lose because she was in there for life, but I think she went out there knowing that she was most likely going to have to die. She said goodbye, she put the pictures up on the wall, she threw the phone on the bed, she knew..M: She was going out to kill her and knew she probably wasn't coming backL: That's why she was smiling. She had Plan A, but she had Plan B too.

M: In more ways than one.L: Some of you say, and I compiled a lot of things into one subset of things. Lets say, alright, Bea is dead and we're willing to accept that 'but' why didn't Allie die, she should of died as well, because now it makes Bea's death meaningless, because she died for nothing, and now what, she can't even be happy in her death? What do you have to say to that?M: Well, first of all they did have a moment together. I think Allie was dead for a second, and Bea was dead.. Just for one an instant..M&L: That's when the seahorses locked tails..L: For one second they were together in deathM: Now I don't know what we have in death, but I think that Allie coming to live is necessary for the next leg of the journey. In her mind they were together, she was in ecstasy, the look on her face, the light, the music, the seahorses, she was the happiest she had almost been in her life because she was free, she was going to be with her girl.. So for Bea that's what matter, for Bea when she was alive she knew she was going to be with Allie..L: We all have different ideas of what the afterlife is, if there is one - but to me if there is one, we are great big free beings, and she doesn't need Allie to die for her to be there with her. I think for that split second they met lets say in spirit, and if she felt that Allie still had a chance to be alive then she would of told her 'go.. I'll wait for you.. I have Debbie, I'm fine..'M: 'You go.. You live.. And I'll be here waiting for you..'L: So to me Bea doesn't need Allie to be dead to be happy..M: And the show needs Allie to be alive..L: And I'm personally happy that I didn't loose her too.M: Me too.. Absolutely, to have lost both of them at the same time would have been.. Tragic, more then tragic.. It would have been a wasteL: Also you're saying, Bea's dead and Ferguson should be dead too. To me, that would of been a far less interesting story, it's more interesting for her to have framed her to just kill her..M: She didn't frame her..

L: Incriminate her..M: She made her murder her..L: Right, so instead of her dying she now has to pay for her crimes. It's like when we say don't die in prison, we want you to live out your punishment.. I want to see Ferguson punished, I don't want to just see her die, that's boring.M: I want her to be punished to the fullest extent of her psyche.L: In season 5 we have to see retribution for Ferguson, we have to see her suffer to answer our 'her having to do all that stuff in season 4'. Now it's our turn..M: That was highly unbelievable.L: Some people say, ok Bea is dead so Ballie should of never happened to begin with, they shouldn't of done that, so they wouldn't kill the lesbian, so we wouldn't be suffering twice as much because now we've lost Bea, we've also lost Ballie too.M: Well first of all, it is always better to have loved and lost, than to never have loved at all.L: Very well saidM: 90% of what we quote is either Shakespeare or the bible. Anyway, Bea needed that story and we needed that story to allow Bea to move on. This was Bea's growth and her payment for being who she was. Did you not love Ballie? Did you not get great emotional pleasure from it?L: Well they feel like they were toyed with..M: Was it not a wonderful way to bring on a new character?L: They're angry because that the show encouraged people to fall in love with Ballie, to then just pluck them out of the story and ruin it. I personally feel that Allie bought so much beauty out of Bea, she bought out such a softer side, she gave her happiness in her final days..M: A happiness that she's never had. Bea deserved Ballie, she deserved to have Allie in her life. We love Bea and she deserved that and we have to be generous enough to the character that we love to suffer the lose of that couple so she could of been a part of it.L: Other people say that Ballie should of happened but they should of

had more time to have the payoff, why did they wait till the last episode to give them the ultimate pay off.. Why did they have them fight and not believe each other etc, and then to only have episode 11 to have the love scene and be happy, and then take them away.. Why couldn't we have more episodes.M: Again, Bea died at the peak of her happiness. At the very peak of her story. After that, it would of been all mellow and downhill..L: Ordinary life..M: It wouldn't have been Shakespearean, it wouldn't have been the great tragedy that it was, it would have been a pedestrian death. I am all for it, and I think the way they did it was absolutely stunning, classic and magnificent.L: Because Bea went out when you were rooting for her, not saying 'noooo', you said 'oh my god look at her, she's so badass, she's amazing, look at her'. I won.M; i won, and that look on Ferguson's face. Oh, my god.L: Oh my god, I got so into it..M: Yes because when she saw the ecstasy.. Which is so interesting because Joan saw it and thought you want it, and that made her psychotic self permission to enjoy Bea's death. At first she was horrified that it was happening, and then she got so into this. She said you want this, here, I'll give it to you and I'll give it to myself.. And that's what really made her twist the knife in, not that she stabbed her a couple of times in self defence, she murdered her. And when Bea looked up at her at the last second and said "I win", that look on Ferguson's face..L: "Ohh fuck, she's right"M: That was just magnificent, it also gave Pamela a fantastic moment of not only ... The smirk. And then that last second of Allie's eyes opening and then the music.. I couldn't have asked for anything more magnificent..L: It was so exhilarating, and from the point of you from people who admire story telling as an art form, this was just breath-taking. So some other people say, ok so Bea died.. But why didn't she die in episode 8, why give us the hope to then really rip it away from us?

M: Again, how boring.. She hadn't had her ecstasy yet, she hadn't felt the love. Bea just died. She was murdered by Ferguson.. The end. That is boring, that is dull, and it doesn't serve Bea, it doesn't serve the story, it doesn't serve our emotions.. It's flat, it's just Ferguson killing Bea.L: Lucia said, instead of pairing her up with Allie, if they really wanted to give her a love story then they should of paired her up with Will, that would of made more sense and they could of avoided the bury your gay trope.M: You think Bea and Will together would of excited anyone? Do you think that would have added anything to this story? It would have been boring, it would have been pedestrian, it would have been predictable..L: And again we would have had, like Bridget and Franky the forbidden love that you can't commit to all the way.. This was beautiful, and Allie bought things out of Bea that Will never would have, you needed a woman for this job.M: Anyway, it would have been a big yawn. This is how I feel about drama, and I am an expert in drama, I studied it, I watch it all my life, drama does something to me emotionally which is why I can watch hours and hours of it and be engaged and exhilarated by it over and over again. "In order to fly on the highs of a drama, you have to be willing to suffer the lows.".L: And that's part of the reason why you feel so low.. And feel so high.. This is why you love the show so much, this is why we're making talking teals about it, writing emails about it, why social media is exploding with it..M: Because it excites you, it stirs you, it moves you.. But it can't do that if you're on a constant high.. Because a constant high becomes boring.L: Yea, and you develop a tolerance.M: Yes you do. The stacks have to be very high, and it has to mean something, you have to know you're going to lose something. And when you lose something, that's when you realise how much the highs meant to you. Life is not one high.. Even if you are on cocaine your

who life, because you'd end up needing more and more of it, and you'll end up crashing.. And not in a good way. And in drama you're normally bought down in a really rewarding way. And you just have to be willing to live with that.L: Lucia also said and I actually agree with her, that they killed the main character before they built up someone else to take over the main character, that Kaz is too weak to be the main character. I don't know if they're planning on Allie to.. I mean Bea was always ..M: The heart of the show. But there are still many wonderful characters, there is Sonia, there is Allie, there is the Kaz story line.. We don't know that they're not going to bring new people in.L: I'm sure they will, they actually said that they will bring new people in.M: It's like when your spouse dies, you know, you have to have time to build up your life again. So yes we have lost Bea, and if Bea was the only character in this show would we also be this engaged in the story? I don't think so..L: And it's very much an..M: Ensemble story line, yes. And believe me, these writers will give us something to love. Look at Bridget, she came in as a very story character, she never became a big character, but we still love her, her relationship with Franky, who would have thought that? Who would of expected that? So we didn't know what was going to happen when we lost Franky..L: And I think also on some shows, and especially on Wentworth this season, they highlight one person for a few episodes, and then highlight another person for a few episodes. So they're always playing and moving around the characters, and playing with some more then others.M: Be patient.L: The other argument you have been saying, is this isn't the Walking Dead or Game of Thrones, you're not suppose to kill your main characters.M: So let me say something about that because I am a huge Walking Dead fan, and what I want to say is Wentworth is much more like the

Walking Dead then it is not. It is a cult show, with very high stakes, beloved central characters, and people that we love die. Now the Walk Dead is about a zombie apocalypse ok..L: When Mimi said of course this is a zombie apocalypse people have to die, you have to keep it real.. But then we realised it was a zombie apocalypse and it wasn't real..M: The reason the Walk Dead and all cult shows, the reason we care so much is they play it for real life. This is the universe and a zombie apocalypse, and our characters that we love.. This is a woman's prison, a tough woman's prison, and people are going to die..L: And from the beginning of the season we have been asking 'who is going to die', so we were expecting someone to die.M: So Wentworth is a cult show, high stakes, beloved central characters, and people are going to die - it's very much like the Walking Dead. Again, I keep bring this up because it is my area of expertise, in day time soup operas, no one ever died, no death was final. I remember the actress Finola Hughes, I did an interview with her for a lifetime profile, and she said didn't her character die, and I said yes. But being in a soup opera, means never having to decompose. And soup operas, there's only 4 soup operas left.. There used to be 15.. 18.. When I first started writing 'Soup Opera Weekly' there was 14 or 15.. There are 4 left, we are sophisticated views, we can't watch and care about them when there is no stakes. When you know that someone who has had their head shrunk, comes back to life.. Which did happen. You have to have stake, have things that mean something, death has to mean death, that is how you care about things. High stakes are absolute element of fine drama. And if you don't want your show to die out, then you need stakes high enough for people to care about.L: And if you think about it, you want to care otherwise it wouldn't be the show that you love so much..M: You want to be scared that something can happen.. This is not a romance..L: You wouldn't be writing to me with these emails, analysing every single thing in the show if it wasn't so..

M: ComplexL: Exactly.M: These are complex narratives, and in complex narratives bad things happen and good things happeL: But the reward is so grand..M: And just like in life, bad things happen to good people.L: Speaking of which, the last argument that people are saying is, it's not fair because Danielle didn't even want to leave. No let me tell you before we get to anything else, you don't know anything, let's just start with that. Nobody ever knows.. You know the saying you never know what is going on in someone's home.. You never know what goes on behind the scenes, you never know how things work, what considerations went into this, who made that decision.. You never know.M: And even if Danielle comes out and tells you, you never know that that's the case..L: Absolutely..M: A lot of stuff is PR, we know people who tweet and FB things about how happy and joyous ..L: .. Their career is, and how it's skyrocketing..M: And behind the scenes they hated everybody, and it was the most horrible experience of their lives..L: Now that's not to say that that's the case, we're just saying that you don't know what's going on ....M: Finally, actors are instruments of the story.. They don't drive character, character drives story. Yes the actors create the characters, they bring them to life, they add extra nuances, they make you fall in love with the actors. But stories aren't made to serve actors, the actors are hired to serve the story and the character.L: And Danielle understands that. She's an actor. She will find a.. She's probably already found a new job, and that's part of how it works.M: Sometimes the actor wants to leave, like in The Goodwife, when they killed off Will..L: Sometimes the story is written to accommodate the actors wanting to leave..

M: But it's integral to the character and the story. It's all about the character and the story. Story serves character, character serves story, but character and story aren't mean to serve actor.L: So this was the anger stage, and as you can see there was a lot of it. The third stage seems to be intertwined a lot with the first and second, the third stage is bargaining. It is described as 'trying to postpone what is inevitable', so we know that some people have circulated petitions to bring Bea back. Some of you have said maybe the writers will listen to us, and all of you and this and will change their minds. Some of you have said maybe there will be a new flashbacks.. But in order for them to shoot new flashbacks scenes, they would need to hire Danielle back on the show, and she's not on the show..M: They might have old flash backs but it's not going to bring her back..L: That's not a way to keep her around, it's just not going to happen.M: This is naturally, do what you need to do to make yourself feel better, less impotent..L: But I do want to say, I feel like if they bring her back, what was it all for then..M: Then I would be angry..L: To me that would be worse then killing her.M: We don't want to ruin the show, it's not a soup opera. And I love soup operas, as their own art form they are brilliant, they do an hour long show everyday..L: But you will never see people writing emails and trying to dissect soup operas..M: They will write emails, they're big fans of them, but there's not a lot to dissect.. They are not an intellectual exercise anyway. They are what they are. Wentworth is not that, it is a complex TV narrative, and that is the highest form to me of TV.L: The fourth stage is depression, which seems to be where a lot of you are. It's described as 'to become aware of your loss, and the changes that it implies'. A lot of you have been saying that you have been crying, sobbing, that you just don't know what to do with

yourself, drawn to social media to discuss this painful experience with others..M: Let's not forget, we all have suffered.. And I include myself because we have felt it to, we don't just talk about it for you guys, we talk about it for us too.. We have suffered a triple lose. We have lost Bea, Danielle and Ballie. That is a significant lose, that is a whammy. And we have every reason to be depressed, not for too long though, life goes on. But it is certainly understand that you who are involved in the show, because you are drawn into it, you're meant to feel an emotional attachment to it.. That's why we love it, it does something to us, it stirs something inside us..L: So much so that this is the only show we dedicate a weekly blog to..M: Exactly, you don't hear us doing this about..L: Greys Anatomy.. But also I think people got really attached to Allie as opposed to Fridget (they did a little bit), but it's a different story because with Fridget there was a lot of tantalising, a lot of forbidden flirting ..M: And even then the pay off was light.. It was kept on a different level then this.L: This was a real relationship full of two fully drawn out characters, I mean we barely know Bridget, but we got to know Allie, they got to spend time together, and we got to go on a journey..M: We saw this story build, this true love story..L: And this reignited with a lot of people because I think they experienced that same thing when they were first attracted to a woman, hesitant and reluctant, and rediscover their feelings. So I think a lot of people went along with this journey and felt like they could trust in it, and they feel very very depressed right now. A lot of people are worried about Allie, what is she going to do now? Is she going to go back to drugs, kill herself? You're very worried about her..M: I'll tell you right now that Allie is going to be very very angry. Angry, I feel in my heart after her promise to Bea, that she will honour.. She would never betray..L: She made the vowel..M: She made the vowel, and I think she knows she will need to be

strong. I think she will want to avenge somehow, and she can't be high on heroine to do that. I don't think she'll kill herself, it' not in her nature. I think her anger will keep her alive, and drive her for awhile, absolutely.L: Finally, the final stage is acceptance 'accepting the lose, and starting to plan the future'. So the only one who seems to be in this stage is Kelly, who says, maybe this will mean more time to develop other characters stories. And we couldn't agree more, this season so many of the other players have been unutilised. And also..M: A lot of ground work has been laid for other stories..L: Yes, again Bea's story is just in itself a catalyst to so many other storylines and the rest of the characters, this could actually be an interesting way to stir the pot now..M: Yes Kaz actually exists as who she is because of Bea and I think this is going to reenergise her also. I think that we are going to be amazed at what the writers are going to bring us..L: And it will also give the actors so much new stuff to deal with ..M: I can't wait to find out what happens with Sonia, and poor Liz.L: A part of reaching the acceptance process started with Kate's interview where someone of you have already said that you're feeling a little better about this now, hopefully this helps a lot of people to see other perspectives and come more to terms with it. It is better to do it now..M: Rather then holding onto hope..L: But still, there are some people that say that they intend to never watch Wentworth again.M: Don't cut off you nose to despite your face. This is the best show on TV, there are a lot of shows I am devoted to and wouldn't miss, but if I had to choose one show right now I would choose Wentworth and that's saying a lot. I think that you should give it a chance, if you find that it's not satisfying, and in fact this gaping hole that Bea has left and it's to big of an obstacle for you to overcome and to enjoy the show, then ok, go ahead and turn it off if you must. But don't not go back to see what they have in store for you. Remember when you feel about this show, trust these writers and these characters who you love, Bea

isn't the only one you love.. Trust them to re-involve you, reinvigorate you, and make you care about the show again.L: I think that was perfectly said, you really moved me. So this is our goodbye to Bea, and there are a few great things that we need to talk about that were in the finale of season 4 of Wentworth. Firstly just some of our favourite scenes, let's start with our favourite Bea scenes... The fight with Kaz.M: It was so real honestly, I thought that they needed a disclaimer 'no actors were harmed in the making of this scene'. I would like to know and I'm going to find out if anyone was actually hurt, as that was so brutal..L: And the way that it was shot..M: It was just magnificent.L: i loved when they both just sit there in the end, with their hands in their heads and they realise that they both just love her. And you asked why all of a sudden Bea was nice to Kaz in the end, I think it was because of that moment, they both just realised that you know, we both love her, it's not worth it. Bea and Allie.. The intercool cutting between Allie in medical and Bea with their love theme in the background, you thought it was beautiful..M: That golden light, everything about them, the music, the camera angles.. It was so idealised, it was so beautiful.L: Bea saying goodbye to her family, those pictures she put up on the wall, looking at them, and of course the end.. The last scene with the seahorses. And of course the music, the sound, the shocking of Allie in the background.. It was all just, again, they involved everyone of your sense to make, it was climactic.M: It was an all sensual experience..L: It was gripping, I felt like I could barely breath.. One second I was crying and then the seahorses.. And then beep, those eyes..M: And I just want to add that I think the panic button should of got front credit in this episode. How many times have they used the panic button in the last couple of episodes?L: And they ever used it before..M: I think in 3 years we never had the panic button.. And 'staring.. The

panic button'.L: And we love Liz telling Doreen to go to Perth. It will be interesting to see if she leaves the show if that's what they have been building up to..M: And the thing about Doreen gong to Perth is when you're on parole..L: No, transferred to another Prison in PerthM: That would be wonderful..L: I wonder if she wanted to leave the show, and that's what they were doing.. But we have to talk about, our second favourite scene of this episode. Now listen people, we know it was ridiculous the way the detective was kissing Liz and all that, proposition her to meet up after..M: The reality of it is so bazar.L: Denise says that he seems like he has political ambitions or something to close the case, I still think it's ridiculous the whole way he treats her. But when Sonia took that shaving machine..M: And said those things..L: "Some religions consider hair to be pure dormant, and stripping it is a surrender.. Almost a rebirth" I mean it's not word for word..M: When Liz starts putting together the shaved corpse and the..L: Closing in on Liz's face.. When she realisesM: As it dawned on her. And also the position of Sonia doing this for Max as an act of kindness..L: Someone called it porn because she was enjoying it so much.M: Oh my god, that was an absolute moment of ecstatic brilliance..L: This was story telling at it's best. When Maxine had her own cancer story, and Sonia had her own 'did she kill' story, all of a sudden, full circle, bringing it together. Two things that had nothing to do with each other, it was, we screamed, we couldn't get over how fabulous it was. And again, I'm looking forward to seeing great things with Sonia.M: Absolutely, I just don't like the idea that they want Liz to purge herself because that's really extreme..L: I find that to be a very problematic story line, but we'll see what they do with that in season 5.M: That's my only complaint. I like the idea of her trying to.. Well I

guess Sonia is too smart for her, so the only thing left is purgery. But that's another kettle of fish.L: Like you said, all these kids deserve justice.. Well Liz, you just saw the picture of what she had just done to her best friend, is it worth it?M: Don't do it, because Helen's kids deserve justice. They'll live. Sonia needs to be punished because she murdered two people, and she murdered them brutally and she cut off her hair to further humiliate her.. I don't think she's a total psychopath though I do believe she has psychopath tendencies, I think they were crimes of passion and they were brutal, and planned out..L: And I don't think she would have a problem doing them to Liz..M: Liz is in deep do-do.L: Another scene that was absolutely beautiful is when Bea was calling Allie and telling her to fly. We mentioned this before, Bea/Danielle was so beautiful in that scene. It made me cry, the things that Danielle got to do this season.. Love song to the character, to the actress.. Someone of you by the way said, Bea vs Ferguson that showed up looked like a western.. Like at high noon.M: I'm hearing the theme in the background. And that moment when she was holding her clothes, and you see it still, it almost looks like a kiss.. So I would say that it was the kiss of death..L: It really did, it looked like it sucked the life force out of her.M: And it was also very tender..L: Yes because we saw her doing the same thing in episode 8 when we saw her holding her..M: And stroking her..L: Just, phenomenal story telling. It was striking, it was visual, it was just again a festival to your senses as far as I felt.M: And I just want to say, it was a great use of Franky in this episode..L: And also the Branky scene, how much did you love it and so beautiful.. And some of you are mourning that as well. It's a quadruple, that's 4 times, lose.. Because that's another relationship that you loved, is no longer..M: Yes, Bea and Franky. I think that Franky's scene with Shane was a powerful scene, and of course now she has a gun. I think that's a deep

foreshadowing, or if it's just meant to make us anxious.. L: WoosM: Yes, woos. You know, and give us something to chew on in regards to Franky is concerned. I'm hoping that when it picks up again, she would of disposed of the gun.L: By the way, Emma said that we were all sad to hear that Boomer wasn't pregnant.. Personally, I didn't expect her to be pregnant, I think it was very much a plot device, and it gave Boomer and Maxine something fun to do.. But I don't think I ever expected it to happen..M: No and Katrina was very much lovely this episode..L: That exchange that she had with Liz over the food, where she was crying and didn't want to upset Maxine, it was just beautiful.M: Katrina has just become the most central, beautiful character.. To think how she has evolved.. This show, and the character's evolution is just.. Amazing.L: It really is. So now, we are starting to think about next season. Several of you have started to raise several worries.. Or questions.. You're starting to think where do our characters stand at this point at the beginning of season 5. So let's go over all our characters, well not all of them because we have a lot of them. Franky, two people said they loved her relationship with Shayne, and she does seem to care about him..M: Yes, she does.L: They are wondering whether they are going to team up in future episodes?M: I don't care about Shayne that much. He was very good..L: He was affective for what they wanted him to be..M: He actually is a good actor, an he did a really good job.. He's young, it showed his youth..L: But I don't need to see him again. He was part of the Ferguson plot, and I don't think he needs to come back.M: And also the thing with the gun, I don't know if that was also part of the future.L: So people are wondering whether we are going to see Franky back in prison, because of the gun? And people have been asking us, so we

consulted with our Australian legal advisor Jane, and Franky is not allowed to carry that gun - a) it's a violation of her parole, and b) criminals can not get a license to own and carry a gun.. So either way she's in violation.M: I think even in America for certain parolees, and that's why you do background checks because I don't think criminals are legally allowed to carry guns. The problem is it's so easy to get a gun in this country.L: So either that, or will she set herself up to be sent back to prison so she can enact revenge on Ferguson for Bea's death.. That's possible.M: Franky going back to prison would definitely help fill the void left in the prison by BeaL: And Liz Malloy says, we need Franky in prison because she lights up the whole place..M: We have Allie that lights things up too..L: And we miss her.. That's true but I don't know how light she'll be at the beginning of this season after what happened..M: Yea, no you're right.. She's not going to be lightL: But several of you have raised a concern that the only way that we saw Franky outside the prison was when she saw Bea. So now that Bea is gone, how will we see Franky?M: Maybe in relation to Bridget?L: That's proven to not be the case, so I'm not sure. We all want to see more of Franky, and I think we've all been saying that we don't want to see Franky back in prison. And the only way that I would accept Franky back in prison..M: Is if she was under cover..L: Under cover, or she does something knowingly to get back into prison to get revenge on the Freak, cause I don't want her to fail and go back to prison.. But if she decides...M: But for her to go back in to get revenge, would mean that the Freak was incarcerated in Wentworth and I don't want to see that happen..L: Lets go to Ferguson then, we know that she has to pay, but some people are wondering whether if she is still going to be on remand at Wentworth like she was, awaiting trial?M: We've seen how that works out..

L: Exactly. If she is in prison, then there's no reason at all for the prisoners not to beat the hell out of her..M: She would have to be in isolation, and that's boring.L: Could she be Governor again..? I can't see that happening..M: Absolutely not, I can't accept that.L: However, as you guys have said, no one actually witnessed the stabbing, and we know that there is no recording, they just saw Ferguson holding the.. With blood on herself, holding the weapon, and Bea on the ground.. But is that enough proof? Is it just circumstantial?M: Yes, it's not just circumstantial.. It is Joan, the blade in her hand, blood all over her..L: Yes but do you know how many times we see people hugging people and getting blood all over them... Oh what's this *picks up pretend gun*, cops come in and suddenly I'm holding the murder weapon and I'm covered in blood, but I didn't do it..M: Except Bea was there one second and then it wasn't even like The Night Of, when they caught him on the street..L: Yes but they didn't see it..M: They were right there a second later..L: The writer wanted an out..M: Don't do it..L: Another question is, will Allie remember who gave her the hot shot and will be able to testify against Ferguson that she did that to her..M: Hopefully she will because this is not the kind of thing... Though maybe because she was in a coma for awhile, she may have temporary amnesia?L: So, let's more to Allie.. By the way, another thing people were thinking about Ferguson, was is she going to kill more people?M: Well, Jack.. Has Jack paid off his 90 grand debt?L: Is he still Ferguson's bitch?M: He's such a bitch, and I hope he also goes down in flames. And I hope that however they decide to choose to use him this year, maybe as an instrument of the story.. I want him to go down in flame in the end.. He's a disgusting person...L: I don't like him, I don't want to see him around, I don't want him to

become the new Ferguson, I don't want him to become a Governor..M: If Jack is the only person in the Australian prison system who is qualified to be Governor.. Wow betide the Australian Prison system.L: People are already wondering that because Will was suspended and Jack was automatically promoted to Dept, why would it be him, he's so new?M: Because he's had a lot of experience..L: And because Vera likes him. Also some of you said, you would have preferred to see Ms Miles be promoted rather than Jack..M: Ms Miles is not a leader..L: She takes bribes left and right, and no one can trust her in an official power. But we would like to see more of her..M: We did see more of her this last episode, and I love her, I love Jacqui.. But she's not Governor material, or Dept Governor..L: Allie, so we already asked the question or whether she will go back to drugs, or whether she will commit suicide, will she be top dog.. Some people threw that one in..M: Maybe eventually..L: What will her relationship with Kaz be like now that Bea is out of the picture. And will she get a new love interest?M: I don't want it to happen right away..L: No. She needs to grieve..M: But I certainly hope down the line..L: Me too..M: That she will get a love interest.L: Vera, will she get into trouble for letting Bea out?M: That's the least of her sins, if you ask me.. Except Bea died because of it. I don't see how Vera can continue to be Governor..L: Which is a shame because I was really rooting for her..M: Me too.L: Recently I started realising that she had terrible..M: I think she had great potential, but the way she was so written this season, whether again it was in service of story..L: Or she just doesn't have it..M: She's just not Governor material.. She's too weak, she's too

emotional, she's too insecure..L: If she is no longer Governor what will happen? Will she still work there, will she be demoted..M: I think she'll be demoted..L: Which will be hard for her to now face all of her colleagues as her equals now..M: But she's been there, and I think she will accept it. First of all, I don't think there's any reason to lose her..L: No, she adds a lot..M: A lot to the show, and I think because Vera has nothing in her life, she thinks she has Jack..L: So here's the question, will she figure Jack out? I really hope so, because I'm tired of him being able to manipulate her like that.M: I agreeL: I love my Vera too much to see her like that..M: Jack will be found out and that will be a journey in this show, I don't think that that is going to happen straight away..L: But I think by the end of season 5, she will know.M: And I want Vera to be the instrument..L: To bring him down, yes. I want to see Vera win, we have seen her so soft and weak for too long.. I want her to grow up..M: It was great when she was Governor in the beginning, and she was powerful..L: She just talks powerfully, she doesn't act powerfully. And I want her to put her big girl pants on, and grow up and become kick ass like we all want her to be.M: We hope, maybe not.. That maybe the story, that she's not Governor material.L: Is Liz going to testify against Sonia, and then will she be paroled or will she have perjured herself and maybe get a longer sentence? And if she does, is Sonia going to be at Wentworth with her? That would put her in more danger..M: So many questions..L: Also, this detective is going to leave her hanging. Cause we know she doesn't have anything in writing, we know that he is manipulating

her. she's knows he has been playing her but she also know that Sonia has been playing her too, so.. I worry for Liz..M: I worry for Liz..L: Is Doreen going to be transferred to Perth? Is Kaz going to be top dog for the entire duration of season 5?M: Is she going to be a good top dog?L: Is she going to let Tina run over the prison with drugs.. Especially if Kaz cares about Allie so much, is she going to do that to her? Cause she made a promise.M: Especially if Vera is suspended, and Jack as Debt Governor becomes Governor..L: He'll facilitate that..M: He's a drug dealer..L: I would hate to see the prison get back into drugs..M: That would be a horrible transition..L: Will Maxine get better?M: I hope so.L: And will she align herself with Kaz, now that Kaz is the new top dog?M: Well I think in order to protect the woman, her own woman then she needs to..L: Or will she be her rival?M: Or unless she takes her onL: Maybe Maxine will try to rise to top dog depending on whether she's feeling better or not..M: Depending on how Kaz is as top dog. If Kaz let's the drugs in, then it's a possibility that Max will feel, when she's feeling better, that she owes it to the girls.. An obligation to the girls 'and' to Bea's memory to take her onL: Another player for top dog is Sonia.. Most of you think that Sonia will become top dog..M: I think she has great potential.L: Especially if she's convicted and she's there for the long haul.M: She's smart, she's devious, she knows how to play people, she's got money to get it done..L: And if god forbid, the Freak stays at Wentworth, Sonia vs Freak

showdown would be something I would want to see..M: That would be an excellent contest.. Contest of equalsL: But will she hurt Liz?M: I don't knowL: Some of you have said, that you needed more happiness and less darkness in this show.. And I see where you're coming from, because in the past seasons we did have much more light..M: At least as we remember it..L: This was a very dark show, but I have to caution you, as this was the main complaint people made about Orange is the New Black on the season, and then look what happened in season 3. Because in season 2 we had V and people said it was too dark, and then they went ahead and did season 3 which was all about smelly panties and that boring stuff. And then season 4 happened, which was a mishmosh of both and it was a terrible terrible idea. So this is our thoughts for next season, this was a stupendous finale..M: It was just unbelievable. I actually had a little note about it, it says - The final scene, truly was (and I have watched thousand and thousands of hours of television drama) I think it was the best scene I have ever witnessed, in it's dramatic scoop and it's dramatic execution, and it's epic-ness. And by using 'execution' I mean no pun intended. Bea died, she died a free woman, joyful in her victory, and knowing that the two people that she loved most on earth were waiting for her in heaven.L: I think it was a beautiful send off.M: It was a triumph to all concerned, as TV it was unsurpassed in anything that I have ever seen. And kudus to everybody involved, my congratulations.. We bow down to youL: It was phenomenal. Just before we leave you, remember we do have the rap party next Sunday, August 7th. Thank you for everybody who has already submitted the ballets, you still have time.. The deadline for everything is Saturday 6th, 2pm EST. Thank you for the ballets, there is a link under this video on the website to the ballet, with instruction to the other information for your participation. We are still waiting for you to send us your personal contributions, we are

hoping that you are working on them now as we speak, or as you are watching this.. And of course, in regards to the PJ party.. We did ask you to do PJ pictures to participate with us, so here's how it's going to work. And Ann Law thank you for the inspiration. We would like you to either tweet or Instagram your PJ pictures, while you're watching the rap party.. You're not going to all watch it at the same time, just do it while you're watching it. And as well as tagging Lady Parts Vlog, also #talkingteal and #inbedwithladyparts .. Ann Law wanted to do in bed with talking teal, but we thought it would be funnier to have in bed with lady parts. So please do that, so we can see all of your pictures. And again it doesn't have to be anything fancy, as we know some people actually bought PJs for this, but you don't have to do anything fancy..M: And in this final episode, as this party is an entirely different thing.. Let me say again that this would not have happened without you.L: Absolutely, this is all for you, about you..M: With your participation..L: Your excitement.. Your enthusiasm.. It's all exhilarated us.. So please send in your ballets, your personal contributions.. Hold onto those PJ pictures for now to tweet and Instagram them later. Email all that stuff to ladypartsvlog@gmail.com anything before Saturday 2pm EST.. August 6th. And again, if you have any big files to send me just give me the heads up first, so I know they're not spam. I would like to just end with two things, first of all Heather said, until season 5 I guess I will just eat chocolate and drink wine.. That will give me something to do at least, seen someone to love (Bea) and something to look forward to (Ballie) might be gone.M: EnjoyL: That's a thought for you, that's a coping mechanism.. Heather is volunteering that..M: SerotoninL: Exactly, serotonin and alcohol. And I really think it would be a beautiful way to end this with blog with a beautiful poem I got from Chrissy from Holand which I will also post on Instagram. It's called a single rose:

"The exterior is covered in flowers, yet internally I am a single rose. I knew in my darkest hours, as we slowly danced in the shadows of our dreams. What I sought to find, a broken mind, capable of shedding tears. We shall not remain with painful fears. Kept captive until we die, unable to break the tie. Come on beautiful girl, lets fly..." I'm kind of crying.. I'm shedding tears..M: It's beautifulL It's beautiful, thank you so much..M: For everything..L: You Wentworth fans are so creative and beautifulM: And we love youL We do love you. Thank you for joining us, thank you for a whole season of joining us, and now let's get ready for a party..M: Let's rock!L: Cya next SundayM: Bye