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Form-Agenda

761(2020Web/Secretariat)14

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61(2020Web/Secretariat)14 v2

November 2020

Revised 10 December 2020

INTERNATIONAL ELECTROTECHNICAL COMMISSION

TECHNICAL COMMITTEE NO.61: SAFETY OF HOUSEHOLD AND SIMILAR ELECTRICAL APPLIANCES

Daily Report for TC 61 Web Meetings on 10, 12 and 17 November 2020

Attendees of TC61 Meeting Web Meetings on 10, 12 and 17 November 2020

____________________________________________________________________________________

Fabio

GARGANTINI

ITALY (CHAIR)

Dejun

MA

CHINA (VICE CHAIR)

Randi

MYERS

UNITED STATES (SECRETARY)

Grace

ROH

UNITED STATES (ASSISTANT SECRETARY)

Christophe

BOYER

IEC CENTRAL OFFICE (TECHNICAL OFFICER)

(17 November only)

NC/ organization

Last name

First name

Role[footnoteRef:1] [1: ]

November 10

November 12

November 17

AU

Booth*

Geoffrey

Head of Delegation

X

X

X

AU

Murdoch

Adam

Delegate

X

X

X

BE

Meier

Matthias

Delegate

BE

Vankerkhove

Philippe

Delegate

X

CA

Brière

David

Delegate

X

X

X

CA

Martin*

Ken

Head of Delegation

X

X

X

CN

Bi

Chongqiang

Delegate

CN

Chen

Dongpo

Delegate

CN

Chen

Cankun

Delegate

X

X

X

CN

Chen

Jian

Delegate

X

CN

Chen

Huafang

Delegate

CN

Ding

Xiaobo

Delegate

CN

Feng

Caiyun

Delegate

CN

Feng

Longbiao

Delegate

CN

Gai

Qigao

Delegate

CN

Gao

Jiajia

Delegate

CN

Hao

Dapeng

Delegate

CN

Huang

Lei

Delegate

X

CN

Huang

Wenxiu

Delegate

X

X

X

CN

Jian

Pengfei

Delegate

X

CN

Leng

Xiaozhuang

Delegate

CN

Li

Shanshan

Delegate

X

X

CN

Liu

Jian

Delegate

CN

Liu

Xu

Delegate

CN

Liu

Zhenquan

Delegate

X

X

CN

Mao

Lili

Delegate

CN

Miao

Shuai

Delegate

X

CN

Sheng

Ri

Delegate

CN

Shi

Yanling

Delegate

CN

Sun

Guozhen

Delegate

CN

Wan

Xuelong

Delegate

X

CN

Wang

Kun

Delegate

X

X

CN

Wang

Jing

Delegate

X

CN

Wang

Binhou

Delegate

CN

Wu*

Meng

Head of Delegation

X

X

CN

Xie

Runqing

Delegate

CN

Xiong

Haoping

Delegate

CN

Xu

Yi

Delegate

CN

Xu

Fang

Delegate

CN

Yang

Ying

Delegate

CN

Yang

Xingguo

Delegate

X

CN

Yang

Bin

Delegate

CN

Yuan

Wangtan

Delegate

CN

Zeng

Jian

Delegate

CN

Zhang

Ge

Delegate

X

CN

Zheng

Wenwei

Delegate

CN

Zhou

Yanwu

Delegate

X

DK

Amundesen

Helen

Delegate

X

X

X

DK

Bruus-Jensen

Jørgen

Delegate

X

X

X

DK

Christensen

Hans Schou

Observer

X

X

X

DK

Dalgas-Madsen

Per

Delegate

X

X

X

DK

Krzywkowski

Anders

Delegate

DK

Nielsen

Henning

Delegate

X

X

X

DK

Tychsen*

Jørn

Head of Delegation

X

X

X

FI

Mattinen*

Reijo

Head of Delegation

X

X

X

FI

Söderblom

Kurt

Delegate

X

FI

Vesa

Juha

Delegate

FR

Boileau*

Yohann

Head of Delegation

X

X

X

FR

Bottollier

Stéphane

Delegate

X

X

X

FR

Cheynel

Vincent

Delegate

FR

Margas

Jacques

Delegate

X

FR

Thierry

Julien

Delegate

DE

Baur

Ralf

Delegate

X

X

X

DE

Dreyer

Markus

Delegate

X

X

DE

Fischer

Klaus

Delegate

DE

Freier

Heinz H.

Delegate

DE

Kaim

Leo

Delegate

DE

Landgräber

Josef

Delegate

X

X

DE

Mayle*

Andreas

Head of Delegation

X

X

X

DE

Perroni

Dario

Delegate

X

X

X

DE

Pohl

Klaus-Dieter

Delegate

DE

Reiter

Bruno

Delegate

DE

Richarz

Frank

Delegate

X

X

DE

Seiffert

Edmund

Delegate

GH

Appiah

Adelaide

Delegate

X

GH

Dowuona

Moses

Delegate

GH

Eklemet

Ebenezer Afari

Delegate

IR

Kamelzadeh

Mehdi

Head of Delegation

X

X

IR

Sharifi

Hamid

Delegate

X

X

X

IE

Betz

Martin

Delegate

IE

Clarke

Joanne

Delegate

IT

Aloisi

Alberto

Delegate

X

X

IT

Cecchinato*

Gianluca

Head of Delegation

X

X

X

IT

Maman

Marco

Deelgate

IT

Marino

Michele

Delegate

IT

Orlandi

Maurizio

Delegate

IT

Monguzzi

Pierluca

Delegate

X

X

X

IT

Reina

Luca

Delegate

X

X

IT

Sinatra

Fabio

Delegate

X

IT

Stella

Salvo

Delegate

X

X

X

IT

Togni

Silvia

Delegate

X

X

X

IT

Vit

Stefano

Delegate

IT

Zanichelli

Ursula

Delegate

X

JP

Jema

Delegate

JP

Abe

Shuji

Delegate

JP

Harashima

Keisuke

Delegate

JP

Ikeno

Tomoaki

Delegate

X

X

X

JP

Kodama

Masachika

Delegate

X

X

JP

Maekawa

Yasunori

Delegate

X

X

X

JP

Oura

Koichi

Delegate

JP

Sasaki

Akitsugu

Delegate

X

X

X

JP

Sato*

Masahiro

Head of Delegation

X

X

X

JP

Suzuki

Yusuke

Delegate

JP

Tanabe

Masatada

Delegate

X

JP

Ueda

Kazuhiro

Delegate

X

X

X

JP

Ujita

Ryota

Delegate

X

X

X

KR

Choi

Hyunho

Delegate

KR

Hong

Junil

Delegate

KR

Kim

Jihan

Delegate

KR

Kim

Sung Kwan

Delegate

KR

Lee

Juchan

Delegate

KR

Lee

Kun-Mo

Delegate

KR

Lee

Siock

Delegate

KR

Nam*

Sihyun

Head of Delegation

KR

Shin

Suhyun

Delegate

MY

Chiam

Tow Jen

Delegate

MY

Chin Hui

Chia

Delegate

MY

Lu Min

Linda Wong

Delegate

MY

Soon Ann

Ng

Delegate

MX

Aquino Díaz

Daniel

Delegate

MX

Fabián Vázquez

Juan Israel

Delegate

X

X

MX

García Cortés

Mariana

Delegate

X

MX

Rosales Salazar*

Juan Manuel

Head of Delegation

X

X

X

MX

Sandoval Carreño

Omar Alejandro

Delegate

MX

Vega Alcántara

Aliscair

Delegate

X

NL

Van Aalderen*

Dinand

Head of Delegation

X

X

X

NL

Van Zanten

Thijs

Delegate

NZ

Johns*

Derek

Head of Delegation

X

X

X

NO

Oynes

Tor

Delegate

X

X

NO

Salater

Trond

Delegate

NO

Ulsrud*

Terje

Head of Delegation

X

X

X

PK

Khanzada

Fahimullah

PH

Desamito

Oliver

Delegate

PH

Jornales

Daniel Collin

Delegate

PL

Wozny*

Krzysztof

Head of Delegation

X

X

X

PT

Cabral

Paulo

Delegate

X

SA

Almalki

Essa

Delegate

SA

Amman

Hesham

Delegate

SI

Atelsek

Marko

Delegate

X

X

X

SI

Kraner*

Danilo

Head of Delegation

X

X

X

SI

Kuzner

Janez

Delegate

SI

Zontar

Matej

Delegate

ZA

Kabini

Vusi

Delegate

ZA

Kubeka

Sekwanele

Delegate

ZA

Mabena*

Thabo Isaac

Head of Delegation

X

X

X

ES

Guirado Torres*

Rafael

Head of Delegation

X

ES

Ondiviela Serrano

Esther

Delegate

X

X

SE

Kindblad*

Daniel

Head of Delegation

X

X

X

SE

Mattsson

Leif

Delegate

X

X

SE

Salomonsson

Johan

Delegate

CH

Bornel

Pascal

Delegate

X

X

CH

Dietschi*

Fabian

Head of Delegation

X

X

X

CH

Gromov

Alexey

Delegate

X

X

CH

Pastorelli

Sarah

Delegate

CH

Roos

Marcel

Delegate

X

X

CH

Russeau

Wanessa

Delegate

CH

Stolz

Eduard

Delegate

TR

Güdücü

Ceren

Delegate

TR

Gürpınar

Cansu

Delegate

X

TR

Doğan*

Nilay

Head of Delegation

X

X

X

TR

Ilbay

Fatma

Delegate

TR

Kayikci

Bora

Delegate

TR

Koyuncu

Ünsal

Delegate

TR

Özkırım

Hilmi Gürkan

Delegate

TR

Sagir

Zeynep

Delegate

TR

Yıldırım

İbrahim Oğuz

Delegate

AE

Intalan

Marco

GB

Greenman

Colin

Delegate

X

X

X

GB

Harris

Richard

Delegate

X

X

X

GB

Jones

Nicholas

Delegate

X

X

X

GB

Larkin

Matthew

Delegate

X

X

GB

Pahlavanpour

Behrooz

Delegate

GB

Rustemi

Irma

Delegate

X

X

GB

Sellers

Alan

Delegate

GB

Skinner*

Clem

Head of Delegation

X

X

X

US

Albert

Larry

Delegate

US

Andersen*

Michelle

Head of Delegation

X

X

X

US

Chiang

Flore

Delegate

X

US

Cooper

Randall

Delegate

X

US

DeSilvia

Tom

Delegate

X

X

US

Hon

Charlie

Delegate

X

X

X

US

Horak

Byron

Delegate

US

Hoyer

David

Delegate

X

X

US

Puckett

Kenneth

Delegate

US

Williams

Matthew

Delegate

X

X

Consumers International

Evans

Chris

Liaison

X

X

X

TC 72

Schwendemann

Eckhard

Liaison

X

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32. IEC 60335-2-114: Particular requirements for self-balancing personal transport devices for use with batteries containing alkaline or other non-acid electrolytes

61/6077/DC – Compilation of Comments 61/6116/INF

JAHG, Extend the scope to cover Personal e-Transporters

Also taking into consideration 61(2020Web/JWG51)115

The results of discussions will be recorded in 61/6116A/INF

MB/NC

Line number

(e.g. 17)

Clause/ Subclause

(e.g. 3.1)

Paragraph/ Figure/ Table/

(e.g. Table 1)

Type of comment

Comments

Proposed change

Observations of

the secretariat

1

ZA01

We support the document without any comment

Noted

2

DE01

ge

Considering the proposed massive scope extension of IEC 60335-2-114 (from self-balancing personal transport devices to PeTs) and also taking into account the latest document 125/10A/INF from IEC TC125 on the planned structure and amount of standards (17 standards in total, 16 in the IEC 63281-family, only one in the IEC 60335-family), it seems that IEC 60335-2-114 does no longer fit into the scope of IEC/TC 61.

Transfer content of IEC 60335-2-114 to a new IEC 63281-1-x standard and transfer responsibility from TC 61 to TC 125.

Not accepted. TC125 has confirmed that they are comfortable with the standard with the expanded scope remaining under TC61 at this time.

3

DE02

ge

The existing standard IEC 60335-2-114 Ed 1.0 is not aligned with the new IEC 60335-1 Ed 6.0. The vast majority of battery-related requirements in this part 2 is obsolete due to the new content of part 1.

Revise the complete proposal to align with the requirements of IEC 60335-1 Ed 6.0.

Noted, alignment will be made when preparing the CDV.

4

AU01

18

Scope

We need to confirm that scooter with seats that are removable are covered by the standard

Add to line 18 “including scooters with detachable seats”

Accepted

5

CA01

22-26

1

-

te

It should be clarified that hybrid power modes using combustion motors are not covered by the standard.

Add the following dashed item:

-devices with hybrid power mode such as Personal e-Transporters incorporating a small internal combustion motor as alternate power source.

Accepted as follows:

· devices with hybrid power mode such as Personal e-Transporters incorporating a small internal combustion motor where the internal combustion motor is the primary power source

6

DE03

26

1

te

Clarification needed: The new definition of PeTs includes persons and cargo. This could easily mislead that e. g commercial cleaning appliances (1 – 4 wheels), with or without a driver seat / platform could fall in the scope of this standard.

Add after line 26 another dashed item:

– Ride-on or walk-behind commercial floor treatment machines

Accepted to add the following dashed item.

- Ride-on or walk-behind commercial floor treatment machines (covered by 60335-2-72)

It was discussed whether it is possible to consider that electric bicycles and electric motorcycles could be covered by the standard. It was agreed that even if 2-114 can serve as guidance when testing these appliances, for the time being they are excluded from the scope.

7

US01

21-26

1

te

To ensure that it is clear that ride-on and walk-behind commercial floor treatment machines are not included in the scope of this standard, an addition is suggested to the 4th paragraph of the Scope.

This standard does not apply to

· electric Mopeds with a seat;

· electric bicycles;

· electric motorcycles;

· devices exclusively intended for use by people with a physical disability such as electrically powered wheel chairs;

ride-on or walk-behind commercial floor treatment machines

See 6

8

NO01

28

1

ed

Spelling error

Remove the word “a”.

Accepted; refer to EG1

9

DE04

37-39

1

te

This standard states that important mechanical and ergonomic aspects are not covered, e.g. braking requirements. It has to be noted that the revised scope covers products with an unlimited speed and mass being able to be operated on an unlimited incline.

Develop adequate requirements for brakes and cargo fixation, e.g. in cl. 20

Not accepted. The standard is not intended to cover other risks than electrical risks.

It is noted that some requirements may be included in the future standard IEC 63281 which is actually under discussion in TC 125 with reference to 125/31/CD. When IEC 63281 is published it will be referenced in 60335-2-114.

10

NO02

66-67

3.1.102

ed

Insert a comma after the first “if any”, for better understanding

Change the text to:

“…maximum number of persons the PeT is intended to carry, if any, plus the maximum weight …”


11

DE05

70-71

3.4.2

te

The new concept of simultaneous contact in IEC 60335-1 Annex B is sufficient. There is no need for an increase of the no-load SELV values.

Delete lines 70-71

Not accepted.

This allowance was discussed in detail and it was agreed that for these appliances a higher battery voltage should be allowed (as already agreed for standards under TC 125 and as already existing in standards for commercial cleaning appliances), taking into account their use. As well as the ability to harmonise with other standards committees.

See also comment 3. When aligning with the 6th edition of 60335-1 the allowance will be put in clauses B.22.3 and B.22.4, i.e. the voltage limit will be changed to 60 V. As a consequence, clause 3.4.2 will need no modification.

12

NO03

70

3.4.2

ed

Spelling error

Change the text to:

“When safety extra-low voltage is obtained from a fully changed charged battery …”


13

CA02

75-83

3.5.101

-

te

IEC TC 125 is developing another standard relating to Personal e-Transporters. Since both standards will have a definition for “Personal e-Transporters”, guidance should be provided on how the definitions complement each other, especially if they aren’t identical.

Add a new note to entry to further describe how the definition of “Personal e-Transporters” relates to other TC 125 standard.

Note x to entry: The definition of “Personal e-Transporter (PeT)” applies in addition to the definition in the standard xxxxx developed by TC 125.

Noted. To be considered when standards are available from TC125.

14

DE06

82-83

3.5.101

Note 4 to entry

te

The term “battery” is defined in IEC 60335-1 Ed 6.0 in scl. 3.6.9 and needs no further reference to IEC 62133-x

Delete line 82-83

See 3

15

DE07

105-107

7.1

ed

Content already available in Annex B of IEC 60335-1 Ed 6.0

Delete lines 105-107

See 3

16

NO04

112-113

7.12

ed

Insert at comma after the first “if any” and before the second “if any, for better understanding

Change the text to:

“The instructions shall state the maximum number of persons including their maximum weight, if any, and the maximum weight of cargo in kg, if any, the PeT is intended to carry.”


17

DE08

7.12

te

2nd para of current standards requires technical data in the user instructions which are not of any help for the operator, only for certification bodies and manufacturers. The same content was finally rejected for IEC 60335-1 Ed 6.0

Delete 2nd para in scl. 7.12 of the current published standard.

See 3

18

DE09

115-119

7.12

ed

Content already available in IEC 60335-1 Ed 6.0

Delete lines 115-119

See 3

19

DE10

120

7.14

te

The text based marking of the max. payload needs to be min. 10mm in height. If the text gets replaced by the proposed symbol, a minimum height is missing.

Addition:

The height of symbol IEC 60417-xxxx shall be at least 10 mm.

Accepted but make the addition to the end of line 109.

Also, the symbol will be sent to SC 3C for standardisation.

20

DE11

11.5

te


Delete 11.5 of the current published standard

See 3

21

DE12

11.7, 11.7.1, 11.7.2 & 11.7.3

te


Delete 11.7, 11.7.1, 11.7.2 and 11.7.3 of the current published standard

See 3

22

DE13

19.13

te


Delete the 2nd and 3rd paragraph incl. the note of the current published standard

See 3

DECISION: Proceed to CDV for new edition and to be aligned with 60335-1 ED6. Test probe 19 to be applied.

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40. IEC 60335-2-15: Particular requirements for appliances for heating liquids

40c. 61/5958/DC – Compilation of Comments 61/6037/INF

MT4, Use of probe 18 of IEC 61032

Also taking into consideration 61(2020Web/MT4)31


MB/NC

Line number

(e.g. 17)

Clause/ Subclause

(e.g. 3.1)


(e.g. Table 1)

Type of comment

Comments

Proposed change

Observations of the secretariat

1

CH01

ge

The CH NC supports this proposal with the following comment(s).

Noted

2

GB01

ge

The British National Committee supports this document without comment.

Noted

3

PT01

ge

The Portuguese National Committee supports the above-mentioned document without additional comments.

Noted

4

FR01

ge

The French National committee doesn’t support the proposal for the following reasons.

Noted

5

DK01

ge

The DK NC does not agree in the proposal to exceed surface temperature limits. The proposed temperature limits may present a burn hazard and thus cannot be considered as safe. For appliances in the scope of 60335-2-15 there does not appear to be any technically based reason for this.

Not accepted

6

DK02

11-25

7

te

Following DK-01 surface temperatures exceeding the limit in table 101 should not be allowed and therefor the proposed change for marking and instructions is not relevant

Delete line 11-25 of the proposal

See 5

7

DE01

13

7.1

te

“Accessible surface” is written in bold, but there is no definition in clause 3.

Please define in part 1.

Not accepted. An accessible surface is considered an accessible part according to 60335-1. It was noted that this term is already included in other Part 2 standards that have been published.

8

DE02

23

7.15

te



See 7

9

DE03

28

11.3

te



See 7

10

FR02

35-40

11.8

te

According the proposal, the test will be conducted with the product operated at 1,15 times rated power input. This is not in line with IEC 60335-2-9 ed 6 which requires to test similar temperature limit at rated power. Products of 2-15 are similar with the products of 2-9 (heating appliances). Therefore, we see no reason to supply the products of 2-15 at 1,15 times rated power.

Delete on line 22 “and Table 101”

Add a new subclause 11.10X with the following text :

Appliances are placed as specified in 11.2 and are operated at rated power under normal operation.

During the test, the temperature rise of surfaces shall not exceed the values specified in Table 101.

Accepted in principle to replace “rated power” with “rated power input”.

Refer to EG1 for adaptation of the test considering the test condition.

11

CH02

40

11.8

Table 101

ed

Like in other Parts 2 improve clarity of headline by adding “limits” after “rise” and “K” as unit for temperature rise after “surfaces”.

Replace

Temperature rise of external accessible surfaces a,b

with

Temperature rise limits of external accessible surfaces a,b

K

See 12

12

DE04

39-40

11.8

Table 101

ed

The unit "K" is missing in the table 101

Add "K" after "temperature rise"

Accepted

13

VN01

39

11.8

Table 101

ge

adding unit of “Temperature rise of external accessible surfaces” column in Table 101

“Temperature rise of external accessible surfacesa

K”

See 12

14

IT01

39

11.8

Table 101

ed

Manufacturers cannot control where the appliances will be placed by the users, they can instruct them about the intended placement.

Revise the text of table 101 as follows:

“Surfaces of appliances allowed to be placed or installed less situated not more than 850 mm above the floor after installation“

“Surfaces of appliances intended to be situated placed more not less than 850 mm above the floor after installation”

Accepted, as follows:

Surfaces of appliances intended to be placed or installed less than 850 mm above the floor.

and

Surfaces of appliances intended to be placed or installed at or above 850 mm from the floor.

15

NL01

40

11.8

Table 101

te

The term “after installation” is not appropriate for all appliances in this standard as it covers also portable appliances.

Delete “after installation” from the 2nd and 3rd column.

See 14

16

CH03

40

11.8

NOTE 101 of Table 101

ed

Wrong format of NOTE 101.

Check and correct format of NOTE 101.

Refer to EG1.

17

CH04

40

11.8

Superscript a

ed

Like in other Parts 2 (e.g. IEC 60335-2-11), improve clarity of the first dashed item of superscript a.

Delete the semicolon after “…or floor”.

Accepted, refer to EG1.

18

FR03

40

11.8

Table 101

te

Some adjacent surfaces are missing in the footnote a of table 101.

Modify the fourth dashed item of footnote a of table 101 to read as follow:

“- surfaces within 25 mm of the functional surface, lid and ventilation opening”

See 19 and 20

19

JP01

40

11.8

Table 101

te

In Footnote a, surfaces within 25 mm from the edge of the lid should be added as harmonized with 61/5956/DC for Part 2-13 because the hot vapor goes out from a gap between the lid and appliance.

Add the following dash.

- surfaces within 25 mm from the edge of the lid;

Accepted.

20

JP02

40

11.8

Table 101

te

In Footnote a, surfaces within 25 mm from the edge of the ventilation openings should be added as harmonized with 61/5956/DC for Part 2-13 because the hot vapor goes out from a ventilation openings of an appliance such as coffee makers.

Add the following dash.

- surfaces within 25 mm from the ventilation openings;

Accepted.

21

JP03

40

11.8

Table 101

te

In 6th dash of Footnote a, percolator-baskets should be added to examples.

Add the underlined text.

‒ vessels that contain hot liquids and that become hot through conduction by a heated part of the appliance (e.g. coffee pots and percolator-baskets in percolator type coffee makers and kettles).

Accepted, but with the modified wording “and coffee filter holders”

22

JP04

40

11.8

Table 101

te

In 6th dash of Footnote a, if height of a kettle handle low, the back of fingers is likely to touch the hot vessel enclosure. The surface below the handle should not be exempted unconditionally. Construction requirements for a handle and vessel surface near the handle should be specified.

Add construction requirements for a handle and vessel surface near the handle.

Noted, but reference to be made to 22.13.

23

CI/

ANEC01

39

11.8

Table 101

te

Note b is an over-generous relaxation

Delete Note b

Not accepted. CI/ANEC could consider making a proposal with a specific maximum allowed temperature for discussion in MT4.

24

DK03

39

11.8

Table 101

te

Following DK-01 surface temperatures exceeding the limit in table 101 should not be allowed and therefor the proposed footnote b should not be included

Delete footnote b of the proposed new table 101

See 23

DECISION: Proceed to CDV for new edition and to be aligned with 60335-1 ED6, and considering that test probe 18 shall also be applied for the test of 20.103. Test probe 19 does not apply.

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40d. 61/6071/DC – Compilation of Comments 61/6117/INF

Australia, Pressure cookers and kitchen machines that heat liquid


MB/NC

Line number

(e.g. 17)

Clause/ Subclause

(e.g. 3.1)


(e.g. Table 1)

Type of comment

Comments

Proposed change


1

CH01

ge


Noted

2

ZA01

We support the document without any comment

Noted

3

TR01

ge

TR NC does support this proposal with below comment.

Noted

4

CA01

-

-

-

ge

The CANC understands that these “all-in-one kitchen appliances” are not new. These products have been evaluated to both IEC 60335-2-15 and 60335-2-14 in the past. As such, the CANC suggests for MT-46 to review this proposal.

Refer to MT46.

Noted

5

CA02

-

-

-

ed

Defined terms shall be bolded.

Bold all occurrences of “pressure cookers” and “pressure cooker” in the proposal.

See lines 46, 53, 55, 62, 64, 69 and 70.


6

DK01

-

-

-

ge

The proposal contains several additions related to "all in one kitchen appliances". However, it is not clear from the scope that such appliances are covered by this standard. In fact, the current scope would not necessarily include such appliances.

To encompass the purpose as indicated in the rationale of covering requirements for all in one kitchens appliances, the scope of the standard will need to be modified to clear include such appliances

Accepted to add in Note 102:

· all-in-one kitchen appliances

Also, to add to 3.115 the following note to entry:

Note 1 to entry: Soy milk makers are considered to be all-in-one kitchen appliances.

7

FR01

ge

FR NC welcomes this proposal as it would clarify the requirements applicable to “all-in-one kitchen appliances” (AIOKM). Nevertheless, as the 60335-2-14 standard contains requirements for each type of appliance (liquid and food blender, mixers, food processor), FR NC believes that it will be easier to include in 2-14 specific requirements for “AIOKM” based on the current requirements of this standard.

We recommend to task MT46 to work on this topic.

Ask MT46 to work on the requirements applicable to “all-in-one kitchen appliances”.

Not accepted. It was agreed that “all-in-one kitchen appliances” will fall under 2-15 which will include all appropriate cross-references to 2-14.

8

JP01

ge

We do not support the proposal that introduce “all-in-one kitchen appliances” for the following reasons.

- The existing standard have requirements for “soy milk makers”, which are a kind of all-in-one kitchen appliances. The proposal will give confusion.

- It is not practical to apply the same requirements for various kinds of all-in-one kitchen appliances. Necessary requirements should be developed for each type of appliances.

Delete the proposal for all-in-one kitchen appliances.

Not accepted, but see 6.

In addition, it was agreed that when the proposal is finalized and editorially prepared for the next edition, the compatibility of the resulting document and of the existing requirements for soy milk makers and the new requirements for all-in-one kitchen appliances will be verified by EG1 with the support of MT46.

It was also agreed to add in 60335-2-14 that for appliances for heating liquids, the requirements in 60335-2-15 are applicable. MT 46 will consider this point when reviewing 2-14.

9

NL01

ge

NLNC is in favour of the proposal but has the following comments to clarify better its applicability

Noted

10

NO01

ge

In our opinion we are here talking about kitchen appliances with a heating function, so the requirements for the all-in-one kitchen appliances should be moved to 2-14.

See 7

11

US01

Introduction

ge

The Introduction to the Standard already covers the situation where more than one Part 2 standard is applicable:

If an appliance within the scope of this standard also incorporates functions that are covered by another part 2 of IEC 60335, the relevant part 2 is applied to each function separately, as far as is reasonable. If applicable, the influence of one function on the other is taken into account.

These additional statements proposed for inclusion in -2-15 do not provide any additional clarity on how to apply the applicable requirements. In addition, the proposed additions are restricted to certain types of constructions that may or may not be applicable and excludes some constructions, such as coffee makers with incorporated coffee grinders.

If needed, the requirements in -2-15 should clarify applicable requirements where use of the two standards together is not clear for known constructions without restricting other constructions and include requirements to address the influence of one function on the other.

Delete 5.102, 11.7.107, 22.116

.

Not accepted; see also 6

12

CH02

Before 1

1

ed

In order to improve completeness and clarity, add “all-in-one kitchen appliances” to NOTE 102.

Add the following text as penultimate dashed item to NOTE 102:

all-in-one kitchen appliances;

See 6

13

US02

7-13

3.115

te

The term all-in-one kitchen appliance is a marketing term, but not really what is being described. These appliances do not include all kitchen appliances into one appliance. They may incorporate multiple functions into a single appliance.

For example, as currently defined, a coffee maker with an incorporated coffee grinder would be an all-in-one appliance, but the additional requirements are not appropriate and seem to be contemplating something else entirely.

Instead of the defined term, the additional requirements should be applicable to a liquid heating appliance with a stirring, blending or chopping function

Delete 3.115 and replace this term in the rest of the proposal with ‘liquid heating appliance with a mixing, cutting or stirring function’

Not accepted

14

CH03

8

3

ed

According to rules dealing with drafting of IEC standards line 8 is superfluous.

Delete line 8.

Refer to EG1

15

CA03

10-13

3.115

-

te

According to the rationale and the use of the defined term “all-in-one kitchen appliance”, it seems that the concerned products are only those which have heating and machine functions operating within the same food container.

Additionally, it is not necessary to specify “for household and similar purposes” in this new definition as this is already defined by the scope of this standard.

Modify lines 11 to 13 as follows:

combined appliance that incorporates within the same container both the functions of an electric kitchen machine and an appliance for heating liquids for household and similar purposes but does not include a pressure cooking function

See 16

16

GB01

10-13

3.115

te

The kitchen appliance and heating functions shall be executed in the same container of the appliance consider to be a risk.

There are appliances having both heating function and kitchen machines function but these functions are in different containers or locations for example fully automatic coffee machines grinding coffee grains is a separate function and multi-functional kitchen appliances with blending, food processing, grinding, mixing may not all have the heating function and therefore would not present the risks mentioned in the rationale (expulsion of hot liquid due to the mechanical movement).

Revise the definition as follows:

"combined appliance that incorporates in the same container both the functions of an electric kitchen machine and an appliance for heating liquids for household and similar purposes but does not include a pressure cooking function.”

Note: Coffee machines equipped with a coffee grinder are not considered All-in-one kitchen appliances.”

Accepted with the following wording:

"combined appliance that incorporates in the same container both the functions of an electric kitchen machine and an appliance for heating liquids for household and similar purposes but does not include a pressure cooking function.”

Note: Coffee machines equipped with a coffee grinder are not considered all-in-one kitchen appliances.”

17

IT01

10-13

3.115

te

There are kitchen appliances with a low-temperature heating function (for example for melting chocolate) that are not able to reach boiling point. They shall be excluded from the scope.


"combined appliance that incorporates both the functions of an electric kitchen machine and an appliance for heating liquids to 70 °C or more for household and similar purposes but does not include a pressure cooking function”

Not accepted, but see 65

18

IT02

10-13

3.115

te

The kitchen appliance and heating functions shall be executed in the same container of the appliance to be a risk. There are appliances (fully automatic coffee machines for example) having both kitchen appliance function (for grinding coffee grains) and heating function (for boiling water) but they do not happen in the same location and they do not present the risks mentioned in the rationale (expulsion of hot liquid due to the mechanical movement).


"combined appliance that incorporates in the same food container both the functions of an electric kitchen machine and an appliance for heating liquids for household and similar purposes but does not include a pressure cooking function.

Note: Coffee machines equipped with a coffee grinder are not considered All-in-one kitchen appliances.”

See 16

19

NL03

9-13

3.115

te

NLNC committee understands the purpose of the proposal but considers that clarification is needed with respect to the definition.

As there are appliances like coffee makers that are grinding coffee beans and have a heating function but are not subject to the hazards as mentioned in the rationale.

Replace by the following

"combined appliance where that incorporates both the functions of an electric kitchen machine and an appliance for heating liquids are combined in the same container for household and similar purposes but does not include a pressure cooking function.”

See 16

20

IT03

17-18

5.2

te

Subclause 21.1 of Part 1 do not specify to perform the test on several samples.

Delete lines 17 and 18.

Accepted

21

JP02

17-18

5.2

te

We cannot understand why ten additional samples are required.

Delete the proposal.

See 20

22

GB02

19-21

5.102

te

There is no need for such requirements because the introduction of Part 1 states:

“If the functions of an appliance are covered by different parts 2 of IEC 60335, the relevant part 2 is applied to each function separately, as far as is reasonable. If applicable, the influence of one function on the other is taken into account.”.

Delete lines 19 to 21


23

IT04

19-21

5.102

te

There is no need for such requirements because the introduction of Part 1 states:

“If the functions of an appliance are covered by different Parts 2 of IEC 60335, the relevant Part 2 is applied to each function separately, as far as is reasonable. If applicable, the influence of one function on the other is taken into account.”

Delete lines from 19 to 21.


24

DK02

20

5.102

te

The text is requiring that the tests of 60335-2-14 for both blenders, mixers and food processors. However, depending on the construction of the appliance all of these tests might not apply.

Instead it will be necessary to indicate that only applicable test is applied, depending on the construction of the appliance

Additionally, with this new proposal IEC 603352-15 becomes the standard for all in one kitchen appliances. IEC 60335-2-15 takes care of the requirements for the heating part of the appliance, but there may be a need to consider other requirements of IEC 60335-2-14 as well in addition to those indicated in 5.102This could for example be requirements for protection against hazardous moving parts.

Modify the text so that it reads:

"All-in-one kitchen appliances are also subjected to the requirements and tests specified in IEC 60335- 2-14 that are applicable to the relevant function of the appliance (e.g. food blenders, liquid blenders, food mixers or food processors)."

See 26

25

CH04

21

5.102

ed

“Food blender”, “liquid blender”, “food mixer” and “food processor” are defined terms in IEC 60335-2-14, so follow formatting rules.

Format “food blender(s)”, “liquid blender(s)”, “food mixer(s)” and “food processor(s)” in bold.

Refer to EG1

26

US03

5.102, 11.7.107, 22.116

te

If US1 is not accepted:

Why would the appliance be required to be tested as a food blender, liquid blender, food mixer and food processor? A slow cooker with a mixing function would be tested with a water load per 3.1.9.101 of -2-15. Should it also be tested with carrots and water (blender), sand (mixer), and dough (mixer/food processor) per -2-14?

The appliance should only be tested with the loads that most closely represent the intended kitchen machine function of the appliance. If the appliance is a blender with a heating function, it should only be tested with the load specified for a blender per -2-14. Where the kitchen machine function does not align with an existing function in -2-14, the appliance would be operated in accordance with the instructions according to 3.1.9 and 11.7.2.

Replace

“for food blenders, liquid blenders, food mixers and food processors”

With

“for the kitchen machine functions of the appliance.’

Accepted with the following wording to be introduced in 5.102 and 11.7.107:

“for the kitchen machine functions of the appliance as applicable.”

EG1 to editorially arrange.

27

DE01

24-26

7.12

te

It cannot be expected that the user knows the meaning of the term “element”. Further, there are kettles on the market whose heating elements are not visible to the user. Furthermore, there are cordless kettles in the market that can be turned off through lifting them from their base.

Therefore, this proposal does not reflect the situation on the market.

Delete the lines 24-26.

Not accepted, but modify lines 25 and 26 as follows:

CAUTION: Do not operate the kettle on an inclined plane. Do not switch-on the kettle if there is no water in the kettle. Do not move the kettle while it is switched on.

EG1 to editorially arrange.

28

IT05

24-26

7.12

te

It seems that the warnings are intended to avoid usage of the kettle without water (also happening when the kettle is moved while operating).

However, kettles are protected by dry-boil protectors, which are tested during subclauses 19.101 and 19.102 so such warnings are not needed.

Delete lines from 24 to 26.

See 27

29

CH05

26

7.12

ed

Improve clarity, avoid misinterpretation.

Insert “heating” before “element”.

See 27

30

JP03

26

7.12

te

We cannot understand The caution “Do not move the kettle while it is switched on.” is required. If necessary, the cautionary sentence should be modified more concrete.

Delete “Do not move the kettle while it is switched on.”

See 27

31

GB03

27-30

7.12

te

To ensure the instructions for 27- 30 are not read to kettles only change the order of the paragraphs

For clarity it would be better to place lines 27-30 before 24 - 26.


The instructions for appliances with liquid containers made from polycarbonate material which are accessible to the user shall state the substance of the following.

CAUTION: To prevent damage to the appliance do not use aggressive cleaning agents when cleaning, use a soft cloth and a mild detergent.

CAUTION: Do not use the appliance if the enclosure is damaged or has visible cracks.

32

IT06

27-30

7.12

te

Not clear which hazard should be covered by this warning. If the test is aimed to reduce crack damages of PC-body kettles (which may potentially lead to water leakage), the word "enclosure" is too generic and it is not correctly addressed to the water container.

Delete lines from 27 to 30 or give a rationale for the warning and limit the requirement to kettles only.

See 31

33

JP04

29-30

7.12

te

We propose an additional caution because polycarbonate material is degraded due to hydrolysis in the atmosphere of water vapour.

Add the following underlined text as follows.

CAUTION: To prevent damage to the appliance do not use alkaline cleaning agents when cleaning, use a soft cloth and a mild detergent.

CAUTION: Do not use the appliance if the enclosure is damaged or has visible cracks.

See 31

34

FR02

33

11.7.107

te

The proposal to operate the appliance until steady conditions are established using the liquid heating function with the most unfavourable load is not representative of the use of all in one kitchen appliances with food mixing and food processing function.

For most of the appliances, the heating function doesn’t work simultaneously with the mixing function. For some other, the two functions operate simultaneously but only during a limited time defined by a program or instruction (it makes no sense to heat yeast dough with a liquid heating function until steady condition while mixing).

Ask to MT46 to work on the requirements applicable to “all-in-one kitchen appliances”

Delete “food mixers” and “food processors” on line 35.

See 43

35

CH06

35

11.7.107

ed

See CH04.


See 43

36

DK03

34-35

11.7.101

te

The tests for blenders, mixers and food processors might not all apply depending on the construction of the appliance. Instead the requirement needs to point to relevant requirements of 60335-2-14

Modify the text so that it reads:

"All-in-one kitchen appliances are operated until steady conditions are established using the liquid heating function with the most unfavourable load specified in IEC 60335-2-14 for the relevant function of the appliance."

See 43

37

GB04

33-35

11.7.107

te

Only the condition applicable to the unit under test shall be applied.

Revise the end of the paragraph as follows:

“...for food blenders, liquid blenders, food mixers and or food processors as applicable.”

See 43

38

GB05

33-35

11.7.107

te

The most unfavourable load specified in IEC 60335-2-14 may not align with liquid heating function.

An example is the standard dough load for a food mixer.

Revise the paragraph as follows

All-in-one kitchen appliances are operated until steady conditions are established using the liquid heating function with the most unfavourable load specified in manufactures instructions for food blenders, liquid blenders, food mixers or food processors.

See 43

39

IT07

33-35

11.7.107

te

Only the condition applicable to the unit under test shall be applied.

Revise the end of the paragraph as follows:

“...for food blenders, liquid blenders, food mixers and or food processors as applicable.”

See 43

40

JP05

33-35

11.7.107

te

The duration requirement of “until steady conditions are established” is not clear.

For each kind of appliances, in Part 2-15, clause 11.7 specifies:

“Appliances are operated for the duration specified in 11.7.101 to 11.7.106.”

In Part 2-14, clause 11.7 specifies:

“The appliance is operated for the period specified and where relevant the number of cycles as specified in 11.7.101 to 11.7.118.”

Test duration should be specified clearer and more concrete, and if not possible, delete the proposal.

See 43

41

NL05

33-35

11.7.107

te

In IEC 60335-2-14 there are different load conditions: 11.7.1, 11.7.2 or 11.7.3.

Furthermore, there are systems where:

· the food is first steamed. The water is heated in a container separate from the food container. This system is working under atmospheric pressure.

· The food is the processed (mixed) after the food container is turned.

So heating and processing is not possible at the same time.

Replace by the following:

All-in-one kitchen appliances are operated until steady conditions are established using the liquid heating function.

For All-in-one kitchen appliances where the heating is simultaneous with the mixing/cutting function the all-in-one kitchen appliances are operated until steady conditions are established using the liquid heating function with the most unfavourable load conditions as specified for food blenders, liquid blenders, food mixers or food processors in 11.7 of IEC 60335-2-14.

See 43

42

NL04

35

11.7.107

te

Not all conditions apply. “and” should be “or”

Replace “and” by “or”.

See 43

43

US04

11.7.107

te

The products may not be intended to be operated for extended periods, so operation until steady conditions are established may not be appropriate. For example, a blender with a heating element would be considered an ‘all-in-one kitchen appliance’. These appliances are typically intended to be operated for a limited period of time, e.g. 10 minutes. When test per -2-14, it would be operated based on the time allowed by the timer (or programmer) or the time specified in the instructions.

Replace ‘steady conditions’ with ‘for one cycle or steady conditions, whichever occurs first’


All-in-one kitchen appliances are operated until steady conditions are established using the liquid heating function.

All-in-one kitchen appliances where the heating and kitchen machine functions are performed within the same cycle are operated for the most unfavourable cycle as specified in the manufacturer’s instructions or steady conditions, whichever occurs first, using the liquid heating function with the most unfavourable load specified in IEC 60335-2-14 for the kitchen machine functions of the appliance as applicable.

44

CA04

36-38

11.8.101

-

ed

The content of 11.8.101 should not be a stand-alone sub-clause but rather part of 11.8.

Move the content of 11.8.101 into the existing addition to 11.8.

Accepted

45

FR03

37-38

11.8.101

te

The pressure requirement is not relevant for container that are not closed.

Add the following:

The pressure limit of 4 kPa is applicable to container opened the atmospheric pressure.

See 47

46

JP06

37-38

11.8.101

We do not support the proposal because all-in-one kitchen appliances are not pressure cookers, so a pressure limit is not necessary to specify.


See 47

47

US05

11.8.101

te

The concern related to increased pressure within the vessel can be addressed by providing adequate ventilation opening(s) in the cover so that the vessel remains open to the atmosphere. This is common for blenders with a heating function and even blenders intended to blend hot liquids without an additional heating function. If adequate ventilation is provided, measuring the pressure would not be necessary.

11.8.101 During the tests for all-in-one kitchen appliances, other than those provided with a vented lid, no mixture shall be expelled from the container and the pressure in the container shall not exceed 4 kPa.

Accepted to be under 11.8 according to 44, and with the following wording:

During the tests for all-in-one kitchen appliances, no mixture shall be expelled from the container and, for appliances provided with a lid, the pressure in the container shall not exceed 4 kPa.

48

JP07

40-42

21.1

te

We cannot understand what the proposal intends to prevent (Electric shock, injury, or burn?), and do not support the proposal for the following reasons.

(1) There is no reason to increase an impact energy from 0,5 J (specified in Part 1) to 1 J.

(2) If the proposal intends to prevent “burn” caused by hot water from a broken glass container, it is more effective to specify thickness of glass containers and thermal shock test.


Not accepted

49

IT08

41

21.1

te

We do not see the need to deviate from the impact energy of 0.5 J specified in 21.1 of part 1.

Line 42 is in any case greatly increasing the severity of the test for kettles with glass container.

Delete line 41.

Not accepted

50

NO02

41

21.1

te

It is not clear if the test is to performed on the ten additional samples only, or on both the main sample and the ten additional samples.

Shall the kettles be empty or filled with water?

In addition, any pre-conditioning of the ten additional samples (heat, cold, …)?

To be clarified

See 20

Refer to clause 5 where it is stated to test in the most unfavourable condition.

See 20

51

TR02

41

21.1

te

The impact force shall be reduced 0,7J from 1 J with below rationale.

In IEC 60335-2-9 Ed 7, the force for glass surfaces has been defined as 0,7 J, the same perspective shall be applied for the kettles’ glass surfaces.

“For hotplates having surfaces of glass-ceramic or similar material, three blows are applied to parts of the surface that are not exposed to impacts during the test of 21.101, the impact energy being 0,7 J. The blows are not applied to surfaces within 20 mm of knobs.”

“The impact energy applied to kettles having a glass water container is increased to 0,7 J.”

Not accepted

52

NL06

44

22.108

ed

Clarify.

Modify as follows:

22.108 Replace by the following:


53

DK04

45-47

22.108

te

The requirements are phrased to include the reason for the requirement (to avoid a pressure build-up in the appliance after it has been de-energised). It is not a common approach in 60335 to include the background/reason for the requirement as part of the text. In this case it makes the test slightly confusing and a perception of being less specific.

This background information is not needed as part of the requirement and therefor a modification is proposed

Modify the text in line 45-47 so that it reads:

"Pressure cookers shall be constructed so that:"

Accepted

54

NL07

45-47

22.108

ed

Make clear that sub clause 22.108 is applicable to pressure cockers and not for all-in-one kitchen appliances, by changing the order of words .

Replace by the following:

Pressure cookers shall have a construction, To avoid a where pressure build up in the container is avoided after the appliance is being de-energised at the end of the cooking cycle, due to residual heat of the contents, so that:

See 53

55

FR04

55

22.108.1

te

The value of 150 N seems to be excessive. The European standard related to non-electrical pressure (EN 12 778) cookers uses a force of 100 N.

Replace on line 55 and 58 “150 N” by “100 N”

Not accepted. See decision taken when discussing agenda item 40b as stated in comment 2 (AU01) in 61/5914A/INF.

56

JP08

55, 58

22.108.1

te

We do not support the proposal changing 100 N to 150N for the following reasons.

- No rationale is explained for the change.

- No accident has not been reported in Japan even though the relevant Japanese standard requires 100 N.

Change back to 100 N to leave the existing standard as it is.

See 55

57

DK05

58-61

22.108.1

te

The test description is not easily understood and there is a potential for misunderstandings and misapplications. The intent is agreeable, but the text needs some rework to be sufficiently clear.

Modify the text to make it more clearly understandable. In particular in connection with the way the 150N shall be applied while not preventing a lid locking mechanism from releasing.In addition it may also be relevant to consider the content of 61/5861/DC with regards to specification of a torque rather than a force for appliances where the lid is removed by a turning motion.

Also, the text in line 61 regarding when the test is completed could be better phrased. For example, it could be modified to read:

"...until the internal pressure does not exceed 4 kPa at which point the test is stopped."

See 55

58

JP09

62-63

22.108.1

te

We cannot understand the purpose of the criteria in the 4th paragraph. It is not clear to interpret.

Delete the following proposed requirement.

There shall be no hazardous displacement of the lid or of the pressure cooker contents when the lid is released.

See 55

59

JP10

64-67

22.108.2

te

We do not support the proposal because the additional requirements are covered by the existing 22.109.


Not accepted. Cl 22.108.2 covers a different situation than 22.109 as indicated in the first sentence of 22.108. But it was agreed to clarify the test procedure as follows:

22.108.2 Immediately after the test of 22.108.1, the pressure cooker is then tested…

60

CH07

72

22

ed

According to rules dealing with drafting of IEC standards line 72 is superfluous.

Delete line 72.

Refer to EG1

61

CH08

74 to 75

22.116

See CH04.


Refer to EG1

62

FR05

73-75

22.116

te

According to clause 5.102, the requirements of the 2-14 are applicable to “all-in-one-appliances”. Therefore, it is not needed to duplicate requirements from 2-14 into 2-15.

Delete clause 22.116

Accepted

63

GB06

73-75

22.116

te

It is not clear because IEC 60335-2-14 does not specify which accessories shall be provided.

Please clarify or delete 22.116

See 62

64

IT09

73-75

22.116

te

Only the accessories applicable to the specific product shall be required.

Revise subclause 22.116 as follows:

“All-in-one kitchen appliances shall be provided with accessories to enable them to operate as an appliance for heating liquids and as a food blender, liquid blender, food mixer and or food processor as applicable as specified in IEC 60335-2-14.”

See 62

65

CN01

77-78

22.117

te

The standard cannot limit the product must use the interlock device, because interlock switch is only one way to ensure appliance safe. When All-in-one kitchen appliances are constructed so that accidental removal of the lid, the contents of the container will not ejection and meet the safety requirements.

All-in-one kitchen appliances shall be constructed so that accidental removal of the lid cannot cause ejection of its container contents.


All in one kitchen appliances provided with a lid shall be constructed so that accidental removal of the lid cannot cause ejection of its container contents.

The test is not applied to appliances that comply with 11.8 (see decision in comment 47) with the lid, if any, removed.

Also modify 22.117.1 line 83 as follows:

The lid is placed in any position that allows the lid interlock or other lid securement to function.

Also modify 22.117.1 line 88 with the text agreed and shown under comment 74.

66

CN02

79

22.117

te

A lid interlock required for compliance with the test of 22.117，which subjected to the tests of 22.117.1 and 22.117.2.

A lid interlock required for compliance with the test of 22.117，which subjected to the tests of 22.117.1 and 22.117.2.

See 65

67

GB07

77-104

22.117

te

There are numerous products in the All-in-one kitchen appliances category that do not have an interlock and would not require this type of interlock such as an appliance based on a food mixer.

Revise clause 22.117 as follows:

“22.117 All-in-one kitchen appliances shall incorporate a lid interlock that prevents accidental removal of the lid and ejection of its container contents if the pressure within the container can exceed 1kPa.”

See 65

68

IT10

77-104

22.117

te

Not all the product categories under IEC 60335-2-14 are required to have a lid (example: food mixers).

Revise the first part of 22.117 as follows:

“All-in-one kitchen appliances, different from those having the function of food mixers, shall incorporate a lid interlock that prevents ....”

See 65

69

IT11

77-79

22.117

te

Not all the appliances would have hazardous moving parts or eject boiling liquid during operations so the lid with the interlock would not be required.

The need of the interlock for different functions should be assessed by the tests of 22.117.1 and 22.117.2 without the lid in place to confirm there is no access to hazardous moving part or ejection of the boiling liquid.

Add after subclause 22.117.2 the following subclause:

Appliances with attachments that comply with the test specified in 22.117.1 paragraph 1 (lines number 80-82) and 22.117.1 paragraph 3 (lines number 84-86) without the lid installed and comply with the requirements for access to hazardous moving parts per IEC 60335-2-14 shall not be required to provide a lid interlock

See 65

70

US06

22.117

te

This proposal requires the construction be such that there will be pressure build up in the container. A lid interlock is not always needed. A blender with a cover opening will not have pressure build up in the container, so not cover interlock is needed.

22.117 All-in-one kitchen appliances shall incorporate a cover opening to prevent excessive pressure in the container or a lid interlock that prevents accidental removal of the lid and ejection of its container contents.

The cover opening shall have a minimum dimension of 10 mm and a minimum area of at least 506 mm2.

Compliance is checked by inspection and, for appliances without a suitable cover opening, the tests of 22.117.1 and 22.117.2

Accepted to add the yellow highlighted text into the text agreed when discussing comment 65, and also changing 506 mm2 to 500 mm2.

EG1 to implement editorially

71

JP11

80-93

22.117.1

te

We do not support the proposal for the following reasons.

- The force of 100 N is too much because those appliances are not pressure cookers.

- This test is not necessary and if necessary it is covered by instructions.


Not accepted

72

CH09

86

22.117.1

ed

Follow rules dealing with drafting of IEC standards.

Delete the full stop after “5 s”.

Refer to EG1

73

CN03

87

22.117.1

te

Applying a force of 100N to the lid is not enough，we should add a lasting time，such as 10s.

An attempt is then made to open the lid with a force of 100 N lasting 10s and the lid shall not open.


74

DK06

87-92

22.117.1

te

With reference to DK-05 the test specification is not sufficiently clear and need some rework.

Also it may be necessary to specify a torque and not only a force for opening of the lid.

Modify the text to make it more clearly understandable. In particular in connection with the way the 100 N shall be applied while not preventing a lid locking mechanism from releasing.In addition it may also be relevant to consider the content of 61/5861/DC with regards to specification of a torque rather than a force for appliances where the lid is removed by a turning motion.

Accepted to modify line 87 as follows:

An attempt is then made to open the lid with a force of 100 N applied to the most unfavourable point where the lid or its handle can be gripped or a torque of 10 N ·m is applied to the shaft of the mechanism that drives the lid opening, applying the most unfavourable condition, and the lid shall not open.

And to modify lines 88-89 as follows:

The appliance is then set to any function or setting that will disengage the lid interlock or other lid securement and an attempt is immediately made to open the lid with a force of 100 N applied to the most unfavourable point where the lid or its handle can be gripped or a torque of 10 N·m is applied to the shaft of the mechanism that drives the lid opening, applying the most unfavourable condition, and the lid shall not open.

The force for opening of the lid is applied until the lid opens, taking care to ensure that the force is applied in a manner that does not prevent a lid-interlocking mechanism or other lid securement from operating to release the lid before it is safe to do so.

EG1 to implement editorially

75

JP12

94-104

22.117.2

te

We do not support the proposal because this test is not necessary and if necessary it is covered by instructions.


See 77

76

NL08

94-104

22.117.2

te

It is unclear how the stirring attachment should be stalled and then removed and what the purpose of this action is.

Delete lines 101 -102

See 77

77

US07

94-104

22.117.2

te

It is unclear why it is necessary to stall the moving parts and then remove the stall. This subclause in general is very difficult to understand what this test is attempting to accomplish.

Is the moving part stalled while it is operating? How will that be possible with a lid interlock. How will the stall be removed?

Delete lines 94-104 and remove 22.117.2 from the compliance criteria of 22.117.

Accepted

78

CH10

100

22.117.2

ed

See CH09.

Delete the full stop after “5 s”.

See 77

79

CH11

102, 103

22.117.2

ed

A full stop is missing at the end of the sentence.

Insert a full stop at the end of the sentence (two times).

See 77

80

CN04

101-102

22.117.2

ed

This clause is considering the power accidental interrupted and restart the appliance，no water shall be ejected from the appliance. Why the mixing, cutting or stirring attachment provided is stalled？In normal use ，the mixing, cutting or stirring attachment provided in normal operation is most unfavourable condition.

Delete it.

See 77

81

DK07

101-103

22.117.2

te

The test description is not easily understood. In particular the intended sequence of operation and stalling and restarting of the appliance and subsequent interruption of the supply.

Also it is not clear how stalling of the mixing attachment is foreseen to be made and then removed considering that the appliance is full of hot water.

Modify the text so that the sequence is clearly and understandably described.In the description include how it is anticipated that the mixing attachement located in the hot water shall be stalled and later how the stall is removed again.

See 77

82

FR06

101

22.117.2

te

It is not understood which situation is covered by this test as there is a combination of several events in one test (misplacement of the lid, stall of the attachment, supply interrupted). This test seems not to be representative of a real use of the appliance.

Delete clause 22.117.2

See 77

83

NO03

101-103

22.117.2

te

We have problems to understand the meaning of these sentences.

To be clarified.

See 77

DECISION: Proceed to CDV for new edition and to be aligned with 60335-1 ED6, and considering that test probe 18 shall also be applied for the test of 20.103. Test probe 19 does not apply. When preparing the CDV, EG1 shall consider the compatibility of the existing requirements for soy milk makers and the new requirements for all-in-one kitchen appliances, with the support of MT46. In addition, EG1 shall reconcile the text in 22.108 with reference to the decision taken in 61/5914A/INF, comment 2, with the text in this document with reference to 22.108.

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41. IEC 60335-2-16: Particular requirements for food waste disposers



Also taking into consideration 61(2020Web/MT4)32


MB/NC

Line number

(e.g. 17)

Clause/ Subclause

(e.g. 3.1)


(e.g. Table 1)

Type of comment

Comments

Proposed change


1

CH01

ge


Noted

2

CI/

ANEC01

ge

Consumers International supports document 61/5959/DC.

Noted

3

FR01

ge

FR NC supports the proposal

Noted

4

GB01

ge


Noted

5

CH02

18

11.8

Table 101

ed

Like in other Parts 2 improve clarity of headline by adding “limits” after “rise” and “K” as unit for temperature rise after “surfaces”.

Replace

Temperature rise of external accessible surfaces

with

Temperature rise limits of external accessible surfaces

K

See 6

6

VN01

18

11.8

Table 101

ge

adding unit of “Temperature rise of external accessible surfaces” column in Table 101

“Temperature rise of external accessible surfacesa

K”

Accepted

7

US01

17-19

11.8

Table 101

te

Unlike a range or a floor supported appliance, these products are mounted under a sink such that they are not directly accessible. The area under the sink also contains hot water pipes and the like that can become hot during normal use. As these products are mounted in a similar location to instantaneous water heaters, it is recommended that the limits from 61/5932/CDV for IEC 60335-2-35 be used instead of those proposed.

Change limits from 38, 42, 51, 58

to 42, 49, 56, 62

Accepted also considering what is in Guide 117 Table 2 and its note, and the difficulty to access these parts which requires opening the door of a cabinet.

8

CH03

18

11.8

NOTE 101 of Table 101

ed

Wrong format of NOTE 101.

Check and correct format of NOTE 101.

Refer to EG 1

9

NL01

23

Figures

ed

Delete ‘1.1.1.1’

Delete ‘1.1.1.1’

Accepted.

DECISION: Proceed to CDV and to be aligned to 60335-1 ED6. Test probe 19 does not apply. EG1 to prepare a separate proposal to require IP X1 for 60335-2-16 for discussion at the next meeting. Also, the proposal will mention it is aligned with 60335-2-21 and 60335-2-35.

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42. IEC 60335-2-21: Particular requirements for storage water heaters


United States, Clause 25

Also taking into consideration 61(2020Web/USNC)47


MB/NC

Line number

(e.g. 17)

Clause/ Subclause

(e.g. 3.1)


(e.g. Table 1)

Type of comment

Comments

Proposed change


1

CH01

ge


Noted

2

FR01

ge


Noted

3

DK01

-

20.2

te

The DKNC does not fully agree with the background provided and does not agree with the proposal.

Storage water heaters in the scope of IEC 60335-2-21 typically have capacities in excess of 5l. With increasing capacity the heat-up time increase as well and may reach several hours during which the rated current flows.

IEC 60320-1 is the relevant standard for appliance couplers (appliance inlets) and in accordance with this standard, appliance couplers (appliance inlets) the duration of the heating test is 1 h and not until steady conditions. Therefor appliance couplers may not be designed for long operating times at rated- or near-rated current and this may lead to excessive temperatures (essentially this is not known).

Additionally the earth continuity through an appliance coupler may be problematic in connection with a water heater. In 60335 the resistance in the earth circuit is measured between the part in question and the earth terminal in the appliance inlet.There is no specification to include the matching connector in the measurement.

In IEC 60320 there is also no requirement for the resistance of the earth connection. Therefor the earth resistance when using an appliance inlet and matching connector is not controlled and so may be relatively higher when an appliance inlet is used.

Considering the increased risk from wet skin and barefoot floor contact such as when showering, this may be critical.

For these reasons appliance inlets are not suitable for storage water heaters as it is proposed.

Delete the proposal

Not accepted. See 6.

4

NL01

1-4

25 / 25.1

te

It is undesirable that such power consuming appliances are provided with an appliance inlet as with appliances connectors and inlets there is always a risk of the connector being poorly fitted into the inlet or the connector either by the user or over time.

Further there appears, from a functional point of view, absolutely no need for an appliance inlet instead of a permanently fitted mains cord.


Not accepted, see 6

5

NO01

3-4

25.1

te

We do not support this proposal.Storage water heaters are typically high-power appliances, energized for long periods. We have recently experienced examples of water heaters in the market provided with an appliance inlet causing a major number of fires and recalls.

In addition, we are in doubt that these appliances shall be included in 2-21 as many of these Instant Hot Water Dispensers are delivering boiling water at a temp. above 100 deg. C, but the scope of 2-21 specifies “heating water below boiling temperature”. Maybe a separate part 2 or an Annex to 2-21 could be appropriate for these appliances?


Not accepted. See 6.

These products typically have short operating time, such as a duty cycle of 1 minute ON and 9 minutes OFF, and are providing water at a temperature below boiling (88-98 °C).

6

AU01

4

25.1

te

The allowance should not be for the current rating it should be for the water heater capacity,

make allowance for water heaters with a water storage volume of 5l or less

Accepted with modification as follows:

25.1 Replace the modification:

Appliances having a capacity exceeding 5 l or a rated current exceeding 16 A shall not incorporate an appliance inlet.

7

CH02

3

25.1

ed

Improve formatting.

Format “25.1” in bold.


8

CH03

4

25.1

ed

Improve formatting.

Remove the underline since it is superfluous and format “rated current” in bold as it is a defined term in Part 1.


9

DE01

1 to 4

25.1

te

DE-NC propose to delete the modification of 25.1. in general. Part 1 shall be applicable.

DE-NC kindly ask to delete the modification of 25.1. in general. Part 1 shall be applicable.

Not accepted. See 6

10

AU02

te

There is a misalignment between 2-21 and 2-16 in relation to clause 6.2

For consistency, we should align 2-16 clause 6.2 to be IP X1

Noted. This will be submitted as a separate proposal by EG1 for 60335-2-16 for discussion at the next meeting. Also, the proposal will mention it is aligned with 60335-2-21 and 60335-2-35.

11

GB01

25.1

te

The British National Committee notes that classification clause 6.2 requires products to meet at least IPX1.

Additionally, currently clause 25.1 states appliances shall not incorporate an appliance inlet.

Is it the intention to override this requirement?

If the proposal is accepted then delete the current wording in clause 25.1

Accepted. EG1 to arrange.

It is intended to replace the existing modification to 25.1. See 6.

DECISION: Proceed to CDV and to be aligned with 60335-1 ED6. Test probe 19 does not apply. EG1 to prepare a separate proposal to require IP X1 for 60335-2-16 for discussion at the next meeting. Also, the proposal will mention it is aligned with 60335-2-21 and 60335-2-35.

On a related subject for appliance inlets, the TC 61 Officers explained that a request has been received to provide the reasoning for why 60335-2-21 does not allow the use of appliance inlets. The Chair mentioned that he conducted some research on that rationale, also involving TC61 “historical members” and IEC CO, but nothing could be found as the introduction of such requirement goes back very far in time. It was in IECEE standards since 1988.

During the meeting, an Excel file was shared that captures the analysis being performed by the TC 61 Officers on current requirements for appliance inlets for all the Part 2 standards under TC 61.

Based on the analysis of that file, the comments in 61/6039/INF and exchange of emails with some of the “historical members”, the Chair summarized that reasons for the prohibition to use appliance inlets in some parts 2 are due to the characteristics of specific appliances, their connection to the supply and their working environment with respect to a) water penetration, b) current intensity and duration of current flow, and c) non reliability of the earthing contact. In addition, it was considered that previous editions of IEC 60320 series did not allow IP rated connectors.

The Chair will soon circulate to AG28 the results of the analysis performed on the Part 2 standards and the reasons for the prohibition to use appliance inlets in some parts 2 summarized thus far, in order to provide a response to the inquirer. The inquiry would then be confirmed during the next meeting in Copenhagen and formally traced in the relevant Minutes.

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43. IEC 603335-2-23: Particular requirements for appliances for skin or hair care


China, Clause 19.2


MB/NC

Line number

(e.g. 17)

Clause/ Subclause

(e.g. 3.1)


(e.g. Table 1)

Type of comment

Comments

Proposed change


1

CH01

ge

The CH NC supports this proposal with following comment(s).

Noted

2

FR01

ge


Noted

3

GB01

ge


Noted

4

IT01

ge

The Italian NC is in favour of the content of proposed document 61/5983/DC and has not comments to submit at this stage.

Noted

5

NL01

ge

The NLNC supports proposal to clarify cl. 19.2.

Noted

6

DE01

ge

Clause 19 is defined as abnormal operation. In this case it is also possible that the device can also lie in a corner as near as possible to the walls.

Delete the proposal

Accepted, but modify the second dashed item as follows:

Handheld hair dryers are placed on the floor of the test corner away from the walls in any stable position likely to occur.

And modify the fourth dashed item as follows:

Handheld appliances without an integral rest are placed on the floor of the test corner as close as possible to the walls in any stable position likely to occur.

7

DK01

1-3

19.2

te

The text in the standard is intended to simulate that the user placing the appliance in any stable position likely to occur. Such random position may include both placing the appliance near walls or objects as well as away from any objects.

All such positions must be simulated during the testing in order to find the worst case position. Only placing the appliance away from the test corner will not appropriately take into account any potential adverse effects nor on walls and similar neither on the appliance itself.

Therefor it is not appropriate to limit the requirement only to positions away from the test corner.

Delete the proposal

See 6

8

SE01

te

We don´t support this proposal.

In general, it is specified in Part 2 when the appliance shall be placed away from the walls of the test corner. We don´t think it is the intention in this case.

Delete the proposal

See 6

9

AU01

2-3

te

Taking into account clause 5.5 Option 1 is for sure correct and the standard is clear if a change is required we should specify the appliance is tested in the corner (against the walls) of the test corner.

Reject the DC or clarify that the appliance is placed in the corner

See 6

10

CH02

1 to 3

19.2

ed

Improve formulation and/or align text with IEC rules. Wrong formatting, defined terms shall be formatted in bold and test specifications shall be formatted in italic.

Replace the existing text of line 1 to 3 with the following text:

19.2 Replacement:

Replace the fourth dashed item with the following:

hand-held appliances without an integral rest are placed on the floor and away from the walls of the test corner in any stable position likely to occur.

See 6

11

NL02

19.2

ed

Harmonize sentence with the text conditions for 11.2 as used several parts 2.

So change the order of the words.

Modify as follows:

-hand-held appliances without an integral rest are placed on the floor of a test corner and away from the walls of the test corner in any stable position likely to occur.

See 6

12

US01

2

19.2

te

Agree that this is not clear in the standard, but these appliances are commonly used on a vanity where there is little space, so they would commonly be located near the walls.

Replace “and away from the walls” with “as near to the walls as possible”

See 6

13

US02

19.2

te

The 2nd dashed item of 19.2 uses similar wording to 4th dashed item. If it is deemed necessary to clarify the 4th dashed item, the 2nd dashed item should also be clarified. Because hair dryers are not commonly operated while resting on a supporting surface, placement away from the walls is acceptable for the 2nd dashed item.

– hand-held hairdryers are placed on the floor of the test corner away from the walls in any stable position likely to occur;

See 6

DECISION: Proceed to CDV and to be aligned with 60335-1 ED6. Test probe 19 does not apply.

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44. IEC 60335-2-27: Particular requirements for appliances for skin exposure to optical radiation

44a. 61/5960/DC – Compilation of Comments 61/6041/INF


Also taking into consideration 61(2020Web/MT4)33, 61(2020Web/MT16)98


MB/NC

Line number

(e.g. 17)

Clause/ Subclause

(e.g. 3.1)


(e.g. Table 1)

Type of comment

Comments

Proposed change


1

CH01

ge


Noted

2

FR01

ge


Noted

3

GB01

ge


Noted

4

DK01

ge

Appliances in the scope of IEC 60335-2-27 may also be suitable for home use. Although UV-appliances are not to be used by persons under 18 years old, children may still have access to the appliances when they are not in use.

Appliances other than UV radiation appliances may also be used by children thus adequate protection against access to live parts and hazardous mechanical parts shall

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