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HitchhikerBuccaneer

Posts: 130From: New Orleans, La.Registered: May 2000

posted 30 June 2001 08:53 PM

Check out Drudge. Apparently a Filipino newspaper has printed theinfamous Filipino post today, stating it as fact.

Here's the link: http://www.drudgereport.com/flash1.htm

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HitchhikerBuccaneer


posted 01 July 2001 05:11 AM

Well, that one went over like a Led Zeppelin..

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Hilda SophiaBuccaneer

Posts: 1334From: ConnecticutRegistered: May 2000


Hitchhiker,

I think this is such old news that no one cares. It was exposed as ahoax a long time ago. I wonder why it is still floating around?

I was surprised that Drudge had headline in red, though. It isn't abreaking story.

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ConspiracyTheoristBuccaneer

Posts: 300From: Reno, NVRegistered: May 2000


This is awful! It IS breaking news, because if you read the article,this Filipino Newspaper only ran the story yesterday, stating as factthat Art actually wrote the article.

Art has had death threats from Filipinos believing it to be true. Ispent a lot of time in the Philippines when I was in the Navy. Theyare wonderful people, but their sense of honor and national/ethnicpride, combined with their sensitivity can make the threat ofrevenge very real.

A little over a year ago, a Filipino friend at work brought a printoutof the article to me and asked me if I thought Art had really writtenit. I explained the whole thing to him, and he helped spread thedenials on usenet.

The furor had died, but began once again when Art announced hisreturn to the air. I have a strong suspicion where the originalposting came from, but there's just no way to prove it. I think thingsmay get much worse, now that a leading Filipino paper in Manilaprinted it as fact.

------------------Rick Jackson

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flpriceSwashbuckler

Posts: 2193From: Half-Way DownArkansas, USA -Registered: May 2000


I some times wonder if this story that won't die is perpetulated bysome one in the AB camp, just to get free publicity.

Just another of those things that make me go "Hmmmmm".

Frank

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Black TasselSwashbuckler

Posts: 1184From: Delta, BC, CanadaRegistered: May 2000


Frank, methinks me's hhmmmmmmmmin' about same individual.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY CANADA Brenda

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The last line of the story tells how many stations Art is on. Thisstruck me as odd. That isn't part of the story. Why do we need toknow that?

Just call me cynical. I believe this is a bit of p.r. to stir things up.

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revRecluseSwashbuckler

Posts: 2224From: The Frozen NorthRegistered: Jan 2001

posted 01 July 2001 02:03 PM

I think I know who you all mean...makes sense to me.

np: "A Quick One" (Live)- The Who

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suvataBuccaneer

Posts: 129From: Michigan USARegistered: Jun 2001


Just noticed this *special notice* at ArtBell.com -- Apparently, it'scurrent news again.

http://www.artbell.com/filipino.html

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rapaSwashbuckler

Posts: 1833From: Fairbanks, Alaska,USARegistered: May 2000


I think this is so stupid. especially Ramona is Filipino. If it isn't onething it is another.

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NanBuccaneer

Posts: 116From: Valles Mines, MOUSARegistered: Aug 2001


I admit I do not know the past story of this "mess"...but, justreading the announcement that Art is in danger and cannot comeback.....hmmmmmmm, indeed.I - my opinion - don't think he will be back.Or....they like to play? and see if the fans will miss? him. Just ahunch.Time will tell !

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Linnea MeyerDread Pirate

Posts: 6605From: Upon the High Seas~ Aboard the FANTASTICRegistered: Apr 2000


I'm with Nan -There may be much more than meets the eye here...

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rapaSwashbuckler

Posts: 1833From: Fairbanks, Alaska,USARegistered: May 2000


I'll drink to that.

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suvataBuccaneer

Posts: 129From: Michigan USARegistered: Jun 2001


I know, Rapa, you're drinking that Alaskan beer!

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LindaBuccaneer

Posts: 2425From: The Ocean StateRegistered: Jun 2001


I know I'm really dense, but, can I have a really broad hint as towhom may be doing this?

------------------Linda in R.I.C.M.O.

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HitchhikerBuccaneer



.uoy rof tnih a s'ereH

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flpriceSwashbuckler

Posts: 2193From: Half-Way DownArkansas, USA -Registered: May 2000


Looks like free publicity to me. I did a little checking around the netand every story I saw that was published has the network name anda local station that carries the show mentioned.

And why would this round of death threats be any different to keepAB off the air? He does the show from his home. Why is being on theair any more dangerous than eating breakfast?

The whole thing just doesn't sound right. I feel for AB and his familywith this lie that won't die going around again but the way it cameabout just doesn't have the ring of sincerity about it.

And KR is not ignorant of the ways of the web, having been aroundfor awhile. Why is he asking some one else to join the Yahoo groupand report back to him? If a member can search the members listfor names, I would have joined as quick as I could have gotten thepassword back and reported if the sender was really a member.



Wouldn't you?

Something is just not right - besides the lie.

Frank

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MercuryBuccaneer

Posts: 359From: NY, NYRegistered: Dec 2000


What I don't understand about this story is how it forces Art not tobe on the air this week (as it says on the Artbell.com site). I'm sureRush Limbaugh, and Dr. Laura (also PremRad Network people) getplenty of threats etc. every week. Yet I've never heard them saythey have to be off the air for a week! I can't even imagine it. Mysympathy is with Art in all this, of course, but it seems "odd" to saythe least.

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lgerfenBuccaneer

Posts: 1104From: Carson City,Nevada, USARegistered: Aug 2000


quote:

Originally posted by flprice:

And why would this round of death threats be anydifferent to keep AB off the air? He does the showfrom his home. Why is being on the air any moredangerous than eating breakfast?

Frank

Art's home is far too easy to locate.

Linda KD7NGZ

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Spike MikeSwashbuckler

Posts: 6154From: Nowhere NEAR thesouthwest gate of theWhite House!Registered: Jan 2001


Ian just announced that Art would return to the air on Thursday.

SpikeMike*

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everaftergirlSwashbuckler

Posts: 2367From: Southern CaliforniaRegistered: May 2000


I've started a new topic under Art Bell. Hope you all take a look at it!

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Posts: 2367From: Southern CaliforniaRegistered: May 2000


Today I went on Art's site to read the update. I was takenback with the threatening email that he has received sincethis all happened.

I have just sent my second email to the newspaper whoprinted that trash. Hope all who are interested join in.SEND YOUR EMAIL TO:[email protected]@[email protected]

(Second email I sent to newspaper)

To the Editor,

I am appalled at what is happening to Art Bell and his family, due toyour irresponsible and unprofessional reporting. (Please read on...Ihave a suggestion below.)

You, your writer, and your newspaper have put him and his family ingrave danger. In addition he is receiving a barrage of horrid,disgusting and threatening email ever since you printed the liesabout him.

I just read your "retraction". This article is not an effective retractiongiven the seriousness of this situation. In fact, reprinting the falseemail is even more damaging. For if one does not read every word inthe article, they are liable to again think that he wrote it.

Ramona Bell, Art's wife, is of Philippine origin. You insult her and thePhilippine race, by not acknowledging that she too has been one ofthe "victims" here...she too has been targeted. Because of yourfailure to apologize and acknowledge her in your article, you do yourown people an injustice.

For whoever has committed this heinous deed, has used all of youas pawns, duped you into participating in a horrendous crimeagainst an innocent man and his family.

I implore you to take action to clear Art Bell's name of this lie whichcontinues to spread through your irresponsible actions andpublication.

Efforts MUST be made to take Mr. Bell and his family out of harmsway. I urge you to do something BIG to try and repair some of thedamage done. I suggest a televised interview with (or without) Mr.Bell (perhaps via satellite so his whereabouts are unknown, and heis not put in further danger)...where you apologize "on the air" tohim and Ramona, and inform the Philippine community that youwere "wrong" in printing the article, that it was irresponsible of you,and that Ramona has also been a victim here.

I have attached a link to the page on Art Bell's website whichcontains just a "few" of the threatening email you are responsible for



him and his family receiving.http://www.artbell.com/filipino3.html

You have done great damage to an innocent man and his family.You have put them in great danger. You have stopped him frombeing able to safely work in his career. You have put fear in front ofhim and his family, MOST IMPORTANTLY you have incited thePhilippine community against him...and your efforts to repair thedamage, at this point, are weightless.

Mr. Bell has a following of approximately 20 million fans andlisteners. He is a great man in his own right. You do not realize theweight of your mistake. In addition to hurting him and his family,you also have damaged the reputation of your own newspaper.

What will you do to correct the errors of your ways? The damagehas been done. Will you make an honest attempt to repair thedamage?

We are waiting to see.

Sincerely,

Amanda Taylor

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Is Art's home that easy to locate? I thought it wasn't. From thepictures he has chain link fences and a security system that wouldkeep anyone out. I don't think that he and Ramona are in anydanger there. I don't know where his son is living now, but think itwould be at an unknown location.

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Posts: 300From: Reno, NVRegistered: May 2000


Art's House is probably easy to locate...with the pictures havingbeen circulated so much. Yes, there's a chain link fence and a pitbull guarding the yard, but you never know what a fanatic might try.

Amanda is right...the retraction was inadequate.

------------------Rick Jackson

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Al BowmanBuccaneer

Posts: 451From: Bensalem, Pa.Registered: May 2000


The so-called retraction was not nearly enough.

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CameronRoseBuccaneer

Posts: 81From:Registered: Dec2000


Amanda: That is one of the most clear, concise, and well written lettersI've ever read in my life - Thank-you for sharing your gift with words onbehalf of Art and in support of him and his family. I hope what you wroteis read carefully and taken seriously by the Filipino newspaper.I think Art is very brave to have had to deal with this sort of thing in thepast and bounce right back - but when it comes to having one's familythreatened its a whole different ball game - the safety of his family is andshould be his first priority and what he does from here on will be what isright.....and we will live with it and we should be understanding.Art would never stoop to such wicked vulgarity as this for a PR stunt - heis already popular - he doesn't need any PR stunts - hedoes not even like the fame that comes with being on the radio, and he'sself sufficient financially, and its highly doubtful he's been in any fear oflosing his present job in the near future....if Art wanted to retire hewould just do it - but he wants to be on the air - he LOVES radio....sowhy have some people even entertained the notion that this "mess" mayhave resurfaced in order to obtain publicity?....What it is, is what itis.....irresponsible journalism, etc. This is going to affect Ramona as toher dream of running the new radio station KNYE also.....how could theypossibly relocate and have to leave that behind too? I believe it whenRick says the "Threat is very Real" and this is an extremely dangeroussituation for the entire Bell family.....Art never said those things thatwere printed and has been falsely accused. He deserves 100% of hislisteners support to enable the Truth to spread as quickly as possible. I'dlike everyone to put yourself in Art's shoes for just one whole minute -and ask yourself if you'd want to trade places.....I don't think so.Amanda: I wish Ian would read YOUR letter on the air.

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Posts: 2367From: SouthernCaliforniaRegistered: May2000


Hi Cameron, thanks for the supportive post. Yes, anyone who wants tohave Art back on the airwaves should support him 100%. And...Anyonewho thinks this is a publicity stunt is an idiot!

Art is a protector of his family 100%. This email has pitted the Philipinecommunity in an angry rage against him and his family and put them indanger. We must pray mightily for God to protect them, AND pray thatthe true culprit here is found and exposed for the evil they have doneagainst an innocent man.

I would guess one reason they are not putting this information on theradio show is because it would only generate more pubicity, and that isnot what the situation needs at this time. If and when the time is right, Iimagine Art himself will say something about it. Yes, it would be nice ifsomething could be read on the air, addressing these issues. I alsosuspect, because this is turning into a legal matter, that they would notair any comments at this time. That is generally how legal affairs arehandled, but I'm sure the time will come.

Take care...

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Posts: 6605From: Upon the HighSeas ~ Aboard theFANTASTICRegistered: Apr2000


I believe it is well nigh impossible to know what is really going on withthis situation. There are just too many variables - and the public isalways the last - if ever - to be given information regarding these kindsof situations.

The life styles of the rich and famous - and their actions and reactionsare often inscrutable to the 'fans'. There is an entire mystique that ispromoted about famous 'personalities'.

The inner workings of these types of situations are beyond our ken.

I do know, both Art and those friends and professionals around him -have expressed contempt for 'fans' and 'fan mentality'. So, I wouldwonder, in this current situation, why there is a letter on AB's websitewhich encourages 'fans' to act on AB's behalf.

Do they only appreciate 'fans' when they have need of them? Do theybelieve the same 'fans' who were so rudely disposed of just a short whileago when the P2P was shut down without regard for those 'fans' - will bethe first to step up to the plate?

I deplore the 'hate letter' and all who were connected to it. I deplore theactions of the irresponsible 'press' in printing the letter. Art Bell and hisfamily have my full support and outrage at any persons responsible forthis hate letter and its printing in the newspaper - as I would be for thishappening to any one of us.

As far as 'fan support' - I don't think you can have it both ways. Maybe inthis case, only 'listeners' and 'supporters' are exhorted to act - and not'fans'?

BTW - does the word 'fans' derive from 'fanatics'?

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NanBuccaneer

Posts: 116From: Valles Mines,MO USARegistered: Aug2001


I just read fromhttp://www.artbell.com/filipino3.html

I am sorry, but a few *** would have been nice - instead of all thedisgusting language. The funny thing is I really do not detect muchdifference in the who is writing this stuff.

So, that is all the time I will devote to ART's problem.I am not insensitive to his plight...I should probably keep quiet.I find it offensive that it is posted.It seems to be there to incite feelings and anger ??????Now, what good does that do ?I do not "wanna take a ride" anymore.I could be wrong.Maybe Art WILL appreciate what Amanda has done and how much shesupports Art. I do not mean to single her out.....please, I am still tryingvery hard to understand the total disregard for MANY good members at



the bbs who got NO feedback or understanding from Art.....If I missedany, let US know.

We have pretty much stopped listening.And yes, I am off topic.Yes, it bothers me to read such garbage and foul language.....and wewere censored left and right....I have to let all this go.

I wish the Bells PEACE.I wish everyone PEACE !

I think THIS forum has some of the nicest members - Loyal.

Good leaders show compassion.

luv, Nan.

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Posts: 2367From: SouthernCaliforniaRegistered: May2000


Linnea wrote, "I believe it is well nigh impossible to know what isreally going on with this situation. There are just too manyvariables - and the public is always the last - if ever - to be giveninformation regarding these kinds of situations.The life styles of the rich and famous - and their actions andreactions are often inscrutable to the 'fans'. There is an entiremystique that is promoted about famous 'personalities'.

The inner workings of these types of situations are beyond ourken.

I do know, both Art and those friends and professionals aroundhim - have expressed contempt for 'fans' and 'fan mentality'. So,I would wonder, in this current situation, why there is a letter onAB's website which encourages 'fans' to act on AB's behalf.

Do they only appreciate 'fans' when they have need of them? Dothey believe the same 'fans' who were so rudely disposed of justa short while ago when the P2P was shut down without regardfor those 'fans' - will be the first to step up to the plate?

I deplore the 'hate letter' and all who were connected to it. Ideplore the actions of the irresponsible 'press' in printing theletter. Art Bell and his family have my full support and outrage atany persons responsible for this hate letter and its printing in thenewspaper - as I would be for this happening to any one of us.

As far as 'fan support' - I don't think you can have it both ways.Maybe in this case, only 'listeners' and 'supporters' are exhortedto act - and not 'fans'?..."

Truly Linnea, this is an extremely good assessment of the situations wehave encountered with Art Bell. Yes, we are called upon when someoneor he, wants or needs us...as fans and listeners. And when we are notneeded or wanted, we are discarded.

However, we are loving and caring people. Perhaps that is why we grew



to love Art so much...and enjoy/enjoyed listening to him...supported him(and still do, etc.).

The way I see it, and the way I am...I still do "care" very much, eventhough things didn't always turn out the way we hoped or expected. Butthen, when I am someone's friend, I am a "true" friend. Friends are veryvaluable and hard to come by...and I don't use that term lightly.

So, I keep up my end of the friendship. If the person on the other endisn't as devoted, or isn't really a friend, then they won't act or behave asa "true" friend should. If and when that happens, I still try to walk thewalk...until such time as I have no choice but to walk away. And when Ido, it's generally for good. But sticking it out...just in case I've reactedtoo quickly, is an ultimate path for me. For then, I know I did everythingI could to be the good friend I was. And ultimately, if it doesn't work out,I know I did all I could...and my intentions were good and sincere.

So, of course, we all know from past happenings, that what we read, seeand hear in this situation may not be all that is happening. And ofcourse, there may be much more going on "behind the scenes" that wedon't know about, which we have experienced in the past.

But we know for sure, we have been true, and still are. And well, that isthe most important thing of all...for us to be true to ourselves.

So in our supportiveness of the situation at hand...no matter what is"really" going on, we are true and sincere in our efforts. And that is whatmatters.

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Posts: 1334From: ConnecticutRegistered: May2000


Nan,

I tried to read some of the hate mail on Art's site, but stopped as Icouldn't read anymore garbage.

I am surprised that any of it was posted as the webmaster has been souptight about language. I wonder why he posted them. It doesn't reallyseem necessary. Who wants to read such vulgar stuff?

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Posts: 300From: Reno, NVRegistered: May2000


I think it was important to publish the messages unedited in order todrive home how real the threat to Art's life was. Simply stating it wouldnot have been enough.

And, I think it went a long way toward shutting up those inconsideratepeople who insist on saying "It's a publicity stunt." Nothing can do morefor the show's publicity than for it to continue uninterrupted, and for theaffiliate and listener base to grow.

When Art began to have his problems last time, the ratings plummetted.The affiliates dropped like flies when he announced his retirement, andmany were cutting hours beforehand.

Most of you may not know this, but when Art left the air last time, hestood at 486 affilliates. 15 new ones had signed up, which would haveput him at 501, but that number was never reached. This is why thatmagic "500" number is so important to Art. It will mean he's re-built theshow to where it was, and he will only begin to grow at that point. Hejust didn't need this thing happening.

It's really phenomenal, since if he acheives the "500" mark this month, itwill mean it only took him 5 months to get back to where he left off. Ithink Rush Limbaugh has around 700, but if Art goes International, ashe's been hinting, he may be able to pass Rush very quickly.

------------------Rick Jackson

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flpriceSwashbuckler

Posts: 2193From: Half-WayDown Arkansas, USA-Registered: May2000


quote:

Originally posted by everaftergirl:...Anyone who thinks this is a publicity stunt is anidiot!

Thank you for your opinion, Amanda, however, like others I do notappreciate being referred to in that term. I do intend to continue to sharemy opinions also regardless of your name calling so you might as wellsave your keystrokes.

Do you honnestly, believe that this is not beyond Clear Channel to usefor PR? Why each time that the story is mentioned in the news, is thenetwork, time of broadcast and the local radio radio station carrying theshow given? Is it because the news paper checks their facts carefully?

Think about it. I am not claiming it is fact, just that I wonder.

Frank

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Posts: 2224From: The FrozenNorthRegistered: Jan2001


quote:

Originally posted by Conspiracy Theorist:I think it was important to publish the messagesunedited in order to drive home how real the threat toArt's life was. Simply stating it would not have beenenough.

And, I think it went a long way toward shutting upthose inconsiderate people who insist on saying "It's apublicity stunt." Nothing can do more for the show'spublicity than for it to continue uninterrupted, and forthe affiliate and listener base to grow.

If Art's truly in danger, showing all the email is like throwing gas on thefire.

As far as it being a PR stunt, having a story plastered all over yourwebsite (as well as Drudge's)that your in mortal danger is good copy,anyway you spin it.

I think the danger of death threats are overblown.

np: "Far Far Away"- Wilco

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Al BowmanBuccaneer

Posts: 451From: Bensalem, Pa.Registered: May2000


I thought I would weigh in with my take on this. Personally, I do notbelieve that this is a publicity stunt. I strongly disagree with anyone whodoes. But I think that everyone should be able to speak their mindwithout being called an idiot. I hope that we can respectfully disagree onthis issue and join in wishing Art a quick return to the air. Hopefully nextMonday with Whitley as guest and we can all move on from this. Theonly thing that leaves a sour taste in my mouth is that the irresponsiblejournalist who is the cause of this will continue on in her career as if it isno big deal. That is quite frankly disgusting to me.

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marciarmeBuccaneer

Posts: 434From: SoutheastRegistered: May2000


Though I've been absent for a while and haven't read through all theposts, I have a rhetorical question regarding Art's wisdom:

Did he not say that he was vacationing in his RV (Land yacht)? Why doeshe have pictures of that giant on his web page? If I were concernedabout someone attacking me or mine, I certainly wouldn't post pix of atarget that large on the internet.

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shootzooSwashbuckler

Posts: 2176From: SouthCarolinaRegistered: May2000


Art's cool!!!and he really does love his fans!!!Just dont try too get toooooooo damn close Okay!!!He has his simple life just like we all do.Shit, eat and read the damn paper.....Talk to some folks and go eat apeanutbutter samich. No harm done there!Stay cool Art.

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Everaftergirl - In my remarks above regarding this situation vis a vis'fans' - I was not addressing questions of friendship or your posts insupport of Art. I was merely expressing my opinion in re the web siteand its open invitation for fans and supporters to get involved - and theirony involved in that.

Most of us reading here will agree Art has been very unfriendly anduncordial to 'fans' of late - and I do believe it is an irony to request thosesame fans rise up in 'fan-like' behavior in support.

Just that - the irony (and yes - perhaps the gall) - of it all.

This whole situation is very weird!

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FotografBuccaneer

Posts: 220From: Seattle, WARegistered: Jun2001


Please weigh in with your opinion on this:

Is Coast to Coast about the paranormal and unexplained phenomena oris it about Art Bell?

Tom D.

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grasonPirate

Posts: 19From: WesternU.S.A.Registered: Nov2000


Which crime has been committed here ?

Quoting from U.S. Department of Justice --

Legal Aspects of Government-Sponsored Prohibitions Against RacistPropaganda on the Internet: The U.S. Perspectivehttp://www.usdoj.gov:80/criminal/cybercrime/racismun.htm

quote:

"This is precisely the relation in which the First Amendment stands toracist speech, whether it occurs on the Internet or in the physical world.

Even where the United States government finds the views expressed tobe misguided and repugnant -- and surely those are singularlyappropriate words to describe racism -- our Constitution commands thatwe neither prohibit nor regulate speech merely "because of disapprovalof the ideas expressed."

However, a crime has been comitted againstArt Bell and his family (which includes us) and that crime is covered bythe following legal precedents:

Cyberstalking and Harassing Speech

1. Cyberstalking

The rapid growth of the Internet and other telecommunicationstechnologies are promoting advances in virtually every aspect of societyand every corner of the globe.

Most of these advances represent positive changes in our society.Unfortunately, many of the attributes of this technology - low cost, easeof use, and anonymous nature, among others - make it an attractivemedium for fraudulent scams, child sexual exploitation, and increasingly,a new concern known as "cyberstalking."

"Cyberstalking: A New Challenge for Law Enforcement and Industry"

A Report from the Attorney General to the Vice President (August 1999)http://www.usdoj.gov:80/criminal/cybercrime/cyberstalking.htm

and:

2. Harassing Speech

On October 16, 1998, an individual pleaded guilty in the Eastern Districtof Virginia to a felony for repeatedly causing e-mail to be transmittedover the Internet solely withthe intent to harass another individual.

Additional information regarding this case is available via the link below:

Individual pleaded guilty to causing numerous anonymous e-mailmessages to be sent to a senior, supervisory level employee of the



Department of Defense (October 16, 1998)http://www.usdoj.gov:80/criminal/cybercrime/ngo_pr.htm

_____________________________________________

Lets all send some positive energy out to Art and his family, show oursupport for Coastto Coast AM and bring the person or persons responsible to swift andsure justice.

( And for God's sake, stop sniping at each other !)_____________________________________________Or, to quote Judge Roy Bean, law west of the Pecos, "First we're gonnagive 'em a fair and impartial trial - followed by a 1st-class hanging."

------------------I am the master of my fate: I am the captain of my soul.

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Fotograf -

It's about Art Bell. He IS Coast to Coast AM. And I hope is able to returnsoon - and that he and his family will be safe from these vicious attacks -once and for all!

Enough is enough! No wonder he has retired twice! And no wonder hehas problems warming up to the 'world' out there - if it has to bring himgrief like this.

It is a damned shame people seem to get so jealous - or otherwise'inspired' to subject the man to these kinds of 'attacks'. Art must be verydiscouraged - as he had hoped to put these kinds of harassment behindhim when he left before to take care of this sort of business.

I will participate in the Mind Blast tomorrow - to send energy and intentto protect and free Art and his family from this harassment.

Then maybe Art can get on with the show.

My discussion above in re the fan thing - is a side issue to the main pointhere.

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I read it on a topic here, but can't remember which one. Do Dr. Lauraand Rush receive death threats? If so, I've never heard of it. They mustbe handled quietly. Just curious.

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rapaSwashbuckler

Posts: 1833From: Fairbanks,Alaska, USARegistered: May2000


Also as someone earlier mentioned, if he is receiving death threats whatdifference does it make if he is broadcasting or sitting at his kitchentable? It is all under the same roof. I don't think he would be safe justbecause he wasn't at his microphone if someone really was after him.

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Rapa,

I agree with you. I always wondered why he put pictures of his house onhis website altho some have said it is difficult to find.

I don't think he thought about all the crazies that are out there now. Idon't think he would safe in that house.

Remember when some years ago a talk show host in Denver was killed inhis driveway? I can't remember the details, but I don't think it was arobbery, but had something to do with his program.

Sometimes you don't know why celebs do what they do. I remember afew years ago when Kathi Lee Gifford was worried about someonestalking her she had a big article in Good Housekeeping, I think it was,with a picture of her house in the country. If you are trying to hide, youdon't show a picture of your house! This is not the same as Art'sproblem, but sometimes you wonder who does their PR?

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Cherry KellySwashbuckler

Posts: 3645From: Belton, MOUSARegistered: Jul 2000


THE STORY WAS REAL - THE THREATS WERE REAL!

THINK! What if this was your spouse? What if you had family members inthe area where this HOT RAG MAGAZINE was touting the story asREALITY?

Here you are off on a vacation when suddenly this old false story hitsyour home town (or country as this case) or home town of your spouse.Not only does it hit front pages - its during a holiday time period or as inthis case a weekend when literally thousands of people are going to seeit (as compared to the fewer numbers who would see it on a weekday).How would YOU react? Threats start pouring in by fax, by email, byphone - etc. WHAT WOULD YOU DO?

This is no hoax - its real and its devastating! Its downright disgusting.

The retraction should have been plastered all over the FRONT PAGE - andrun continuously through the following weekend - played loudly on anyradio stations as well.

Consider the terroristic activities which have been going on in that arearecently. Think of the impact with these terrorist groups. Talk aboutadding fuel to a fire... and here we have some who are thinking - ehh its



just a publicity stunt. sighhhhhhhhh

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CameronRoseBuccaneer

Posts: 81From:Registered: Dec2000


Can't resist adding a few more comments to some questions:Unfortunately Art posted those RV pics to share something in his privatelife with us before that article was posted.....wonder if he'll have to sell itnow....no wonder he'd like to guard his privacy....I believe because he'stried to share his private life such as his house pics, etc. he's put himselfat risk and he did it for us....that is one reason I feel we should supporthim at this time.As far as a publicity stunt goes - I would think it would be forseeable thatthe consequences of one such as this would create more enemies thanfriends resulting in the disadvatages far outweighing theadvantages....especially since Art does not screen his phone calls. Alsolike Rick has stated - the timing is ALL wrong!As far as the use of the word "fan" on Art's website - maybe in hindsightthe word "listeners" might have been better but whats done is done. Ifthere are some who don't enjoy listening to him on the radio anymorethen don't support him - It seems to me he is only asking for supportfrom the people who still do like to listen to his show.I like what Shootzoo said....its probably the way Art would like to live hislife while still being a talk show host but it appears due to "fame" it maynot be possible. I really hope he does not retire but wouldn't blame him ifhe did.....how much more of these kinds of attacks can one man take?

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Black TasselSwashbuckler

Posts: 1184From: Delta, BC,CanadaRegistered: May2000


IMHO, I don't think Art was trying to use the article as a PR ploy.....others were

Brenda Hastings

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David H.PearsallPirate

Posts: 1From: SouthCarolinaRegistered: Jul 2001


Having watched a milieu of strange events play out on Art Bell's radioprogramme over the past four or more years, several of those incidentshave come to our attention as bogus.

The most recent, these anti-Filipino postings, strike us as yet anotherexample of things done by Messers. Bell and Rowland to secure a certainattention from various sectors of the public. We will not speculate uponwhy such attention is sought.

We ask discerning investigators, both amateur and professional, tocarefully scrutinize this Filipino disinformation campaign (and we believeit is, in fact, disinformation). Carefully read Mr. Rowland's commentaryon the WebPages http://www.artbell.com/filipino3.html. Are commentslike, "Due to the gravity of this problem, we are bringing to yourattention, the kind of hatred and threats directed to Art Bell by believers



of this HOAX" an effort to heal the Filipino people, or further Art Bell asmartyr? The sentence "And we're just not sure about these --" on thatsame WebPage made use think Mr. Rowland was poking fun at theseFilipinos, who were only expressing their collective outrage. We askedourselves, if clearing up this misunderstanding with those Filipinos waswhat they were trying to do, why would Rowland write that?

We renounce such inflammatory actions by all within the alternativecommunity and ask that discriminating investigators do likewise.

This Filipino business strike us as an in-house organized disinformationcampaign from somewhere in "the Kingdom of Nye". Those interested inor a part of the alternative community have seen such debacles springforth from that Kingdom before, e.g., Dr. Jonathon Reed and the EQPegasi disgrace, which wasted countless resources in man hours anddollars.

Those of you who have looked into conspiracies and coverups over theyears will be familiar with the saying "follow the money". Joksters don'tprofit from hoaxes like the Filipino insults or even EQ Pegasi. Seriousresearchers lose their endowments and grants over hoaxes. Who profits?Ask yourselves that when thinking about these serious issues and howthey relate to the matters you are interested in. Follow the money.

-----David H. PearsallCo-publisher, Horus Quarterly

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LindaBuccaneer

Posts: 2425From: The OceanStateRegistered: Jun2001


Question:

Why perpetrate a hoax of this type that could result in grievious harm tothe perpetrator?

Isn't that tantamount to a person lighting a fuse and standing thereholding it in that person's hand?

------------------Linda in R.I.C.M.O.

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Pjean63Buccaneer

Posts: 826From: Towanda,Kansas,USARegistered: Jun2001


Linda,refer to "Lets get drunk and play with explosives"...evidently people DOlight fuses and stand there with them in their hands But an on topicnote, those who think death threats are no biggie , especially when theyare in response to a "publicity stunt", have never been threatenedthemselves. Any death threat, whether from an abusive spouse, or angryreaders of tabloids, should be perceived as serious.

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LindaBuccaneer

Posts: 2425From: The OceanStateRegistered: Jun 2001


Your right about Spike!!

Actually, though, what I was asking was this; why would a person createsuch an incident about himself since it could put him in such jepoardy?

This is what I thought someone was suggesting in an earlier post.

------------------Linda in R.I.C.M.O.

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DisneyFreak96Swashbuckler

Posts: 1528From: New OrleansSquare, DisneylandRegistered: May 2000


I really think these letters are a fraud. I don't know why someone putthem up there, but they did, and they are not real. I'm not saying Artisn't getting death threats...I am sure he is, as most famous people whowork in controversial media do. I'm not saying he leaked the letter tothe newspaper, I'm only saying those letters are not real.

------------------signing off....DisneyFreak96"If we can dream it, we can do it."Horizons Attraction, WDW(1983-1999)

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Posts: 2224From: The FrozenNorthRegistered: Jan 2001


quote:

Originally posted by Pjean63:Linda,refer to "Lets get drunk and play withexplosives"...evidently people DO light fuses andstand there with them in their hands But an ontopic note, those who think death threats are nobiggie , especially when they are in response to a"publicity stunt", have never been threatenedthemselves. Any death threat, whether from anabusive spouse, or angry readers of tabloids, shouldbe perceived as serious.

The problem is, people much more contreversial than Art get deaththreats regularly, and seem to handle them in stride. All The right wingtalkers (Limbaugh, Liddy, Dr. Laura, North), as well as those from theleft (Taliafero, Elder, King) have gotten them too, and have handledthem in house, without the screaming headlines of Art's website, as wellas the emails in all their glory.

If the email threats are to be believed, why post them on the website forall to see? He's giving those who wrote them exactly what they want:exposure. He's giving them a platform. That makes zero sense to me.And it's pretty damned stupid to do if you really think you are in danger.

I don't know if this is real or a PR stunt. If it's real, at the very least hishandling of the situation has been as bad as you can handle it. At thevery most, it's having the opposite effect than what he had hoped for;alot of people, fans included, are questioning the whole situation. Thatcan't be what he had in mind.

np: "Shake It On Down"- North Miss. All-Stars

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