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*1rans • S p • Ti• Q • , Johannesburg. Nov. 14th. 1P2P. Mr* Wilkinson, Grace Dieu College, PIETERSctT)K(jr, Sear Wilicinson, At the Union Council, Blbemfontein, tun question of Pathfinders van pur on the agenda by %he O.F.?. Tne Freet State finds ii.self in precisely tne position iu wnich were wbeu t.he Coloured and Native Communities were demanding the riv:nt to org- anise Scout Troops, and the Free State has expressed great grat- itxide to the Transvaal for having faced this problem ana provia- ed tn* solution that Pathfinders afford. Tney anticipate tnat witu to* sample Badges and tu# pnotographs which I sunt down tney may also be able to persuade their coloured and native Brttn- ren to fall into line, and I expect to hear more, aftnr they have held ojieir meeting, at wh^cjQ I understand tn«» hisuop of Bloem- fontein will be present, for tnai. Redoing tney retaun my samples and photos* The Cape is violently opposea to any suggestion of Scout- ing or any compromise on Scouting lines for Coloured and Mative peoples, and they are evidently imagining that they will oVercome the difficulty by advocating tne Hoys’ ftri^gade work, but altnough

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*1 rans • S p • Ti • Q • ,

Johannesburg.

Nov. 14th. 1P2P.

Mr* W ilkinson,

Grace Dieu College,

PIETERSctT)K(jr,

Sear Wilicinson,

At the Union Council, Blbem fontein, tun question of

Pathfinders van pur on the agenda by %he O .F .? . Tne Freet State

finds ii.self in precisely tne position iu wnich were wbeu t.he

Coloured and Native Communities were demanding the riv:nt to org­

anise Scout Troops, and the Free State has expressed great grat-

itxide to the Transvaal for having faced this problem ana provia-

ed tn* solution that Pathfinders a ffo rd . Tney anticipate tnat

witu to* sample Badges and tu# pnotographs which I sunt down

tney may also be able to persuade their coloured and native Brttn-

ren to fa ll into lin e , and I expect to hear more, aftnr they have

held ojieir meeting, at wh^cjQ I understand tn«» hisuop of Bloem­

fontein w ill be present, for tnai. Redoing tney retaun my samples

and photos*

The Cape is v iolently opposea to any suggestion of Scout­

ing or any compromise on Scouting lines for Coloured and M a t iv e

peoples, and they are evidently imagining that they w ill oVercome

the d iffic u lty by advocating t n e Hoys’ ftri^gade work, b u t altnough

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th<* Cape authorities are as yet, I thinK , unaware of the fact,

I nappen to know tnat botn in t,ne Eastern and V/eatem Provinces

tnere w ill shortly De applications put forward to tn« Cape for

the Registration of Native Scout 'iroops, ana then Protners Wathes

and Mauserge w ill hav* to face oud me»o the problem, and I

think w ill also be thankful that th*i Transvaal baa provided a

way out*

Natal cannot. entertain tbw thought of Asiatic Scouts at

a l l , and their position is somewhat d iffe r nt to any of the other

Provinces. In Natal, as you Know, tbw Indians are putt ink, up a

very strong fignt for equal p o lit ica l rights aua geueral recog­

nition with social ana trading r igh ts , and their demand for Scout

TroopB is not put forward with any idea whatever of Deuefitting

the Hoys by Scout tra in in g , but solely as a part of tn» Political

Campaign, and I think oiiat for the time being the Scout author­

ities are rignu in their uncoiupromiamg attitude fc.nd rei’uwal to

even consider the oUKfestion. Mir>v«rthelesct, we are convincoc:

that Defore long Natal w ill also have to meet the position.

w ill interest you to Know that tc» "REVEILJJ5" has not

been adopted as the one Ma^u^ine for the whole of South Africa

because we puolit>n articles ao.d otjier tnings in connection with

the Patbfiuders* The Cape a s s e r t e d t-hax it could not possibly

be associate a in any way with «. magazine that ij*av;y prominence

to sucn Batters. ; Natal and the Free State were disposed to adopt

tue "REVEILLE" as th e ir o ffic ia l organ, out the feeling at the

Meeting was that it would cause unpleasant r»marKS and an awkward

position i f «e were to appear as the o ffic ia l oogan of Three

Provinces omitting one 4 th . anti therefore the question is shelved

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for "twelve mont-ns. I do not knew what you cbin .<, ouu iv seema to

me that, I ougnt to dec it tiie Pathfinders for about f,150 a year

for losu of possible business . Vour cueque by return for the first

year w ill be appreciated. (Please note that thi3 is a PERSONAL

not au o ff ic ia l letter , as o f f ic ia l ly I am uot in a position to

acquaint you with thw doings of xhe Hnion Council, and therefore

you uo nut ku«w anything aoout i t .

Yours fa ith fu lly ,

(signed) A . W. Marris

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PATHFINDER MOVEMENT.T R A N S V A A L PROVINCE.

(Under the control of the Transvaal Scout Council.)

In reply please address The Secretary, and quote

Forward

Headquarters :

JEPPE A RCA D E ,

COM M ISSIONER STREET.

m h . /s v 9

ao Florid?

p.o. Box 63i. Kenneth 1'le ibc^ier, -*iaq,,Phone 6 I I Central. o O O t l i ]? y ,

Telegrams: "SC O U T C RA FT ." b , A * b C O U t C o u n c i l ,

P. 0 . Box 631,■7 OllAK’Fi' S?URG .

0 9 e r X x Flf ircl er,

v ith reference to nwr convert pt i or over t r.9 telephone ye ate ratty regarding th« ..b.ject 5o* of Coloured l^db to the Pathfiiiders, i shall be v r r te lu l If you w ill take u '- r l y stops t, o convex*; t « ’• he b. A, to out

Council eorneut hare that it wi!3 not consent to ’Jhw eat abliahraent of another organ it at. ion for Indiana or Colour* ad lade without ifc.vj.ng exhs.uatad the utrr,0Bk ooc«iailit taa for s^raament,

b n y cor clicat ione are bound to ari'ae fron the setting up of ,!cclour-bar” organisations among non-Surow r;t, There Rr« 'tfcny institutions wher<s Coloured &nd -Native scholars are oo r»(t educ/i'ed 4. osetrer - *0.1. land- tng to the 8 , A . I. at iv*' Jolles>a *t >ort Kara whara non*»Burop- eaue of every uscU o u <-re KUuCt co^ei.'sr, ihe wrote fraud cf edoci.wtior.Fvl organ*i lion xe toward cowuori inst*Itutidn<s for 11 ncn»^urcpc~nfc ioi u±o b^ke oi economy, ’ e ffic iency ,

£ 0 0d-T/ill .vnd u co.iu'ixon bouth A frictn oitieenauip .

u .c Pathfinder Movement recognises no "colour Our" *«. bC'Cmsen non** Europe ana - «ud it would h&va none r~t £.11 *f ti.t wcout Council wished it i - <suad I should rti.--.rd it t« t. rcorogrtido »*cp if Ine bcout Council nov. jgread is raci&l organis&cion» being yet ut.

X c o cl^.iw to h»ve considerable e>.por4dnce of ooro of the ■ diff ioultiea facing the* beaut Council on t.fcis ibwue, ■»* mid it, aj j poee to Trove that once

an it at-tut io»i ao & going concern ^nd working vt-11 nil the non-iiurooaan oectione gladly avfil themes!vee of it , Ftrmnaae f.t the bagirm:ng j.u ilvvayb advieaole.

The w:y£. rare* overrent i& elao concerned in frhis question, r.nd the wayfarers Aseociat ion lioe so far

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set it a fo.ee agair-ist nnother "oolour-ber** org>-r isetion. If the Scout Council edor$-e p diiierent y'Olicy it will nipke the position difficult for the Wayfarers Association tcc. Both Bay wife( whoa xo buperiihendent of the rtyf *rer» In the VrtnoVi.il / na Lat&i) rtn± I will- deiIox-<s a decision of thia character,

T/iC mauter ia of such importance and promisee xnty/e^sily b« ireat by vour L>ivi&iorol Councils to no»-Europeans who approach them that 1 shall hi* glad if you will arrange for the views expressed ir. t} is letter to be pla ced before the reeoonextole wh icurs oi' ocout move­ment in South Afrio< at an early date.

I . oje the•, in no can* will any promise of any cr ? iaotic be giver; before the new PatniinderroUTxOil .jhitll h ; /a had r opoort-ijnwy of diauuse*nr the natter wit: ha Sc-'Vi C vnril,

You re si iceraly,

Oiitsi ia t h fia d e r * Ir&n sv aal,

.r.d Ch* irn^.n, Yrsnsv ■•»;*! F-thfinderC ou n cil ,

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A L E X A N D E R K E R R , M.A.

Telegrams: KERR, Alice.f College 20

Telephones : / Principal'sResidence 43

P.O. Box 8.

Telephones :

FORT HARE,A I ICE ,

CAPE PROVINCE.In reply please quote

No.......................7th April 1932

J.D.Rheinallt-Jones Esq M.A.S.A.Institute of Race Relations P.O.Box 1176,Johannesburg.

Dear Mr Rheinallt-Jones

The minutes have all safely reached/, and I thank you for them and also for your letter of the 4th Instant that has come today.

I wish to give you a preliminary notice that at the next meeting of the South African Institute of Race Relations it is my imtention to resign my position as member of committee.

My reason is that I find my position as committee member indefensibly inconsistent because while you are travelling round in the interests of the Pathfinder Movement ostensibly with my blessing and approval as committee member,I am myself Treasurer to the head Council of ^he Pioneer Native organization (i .e . a Council member thereof) which the Pathfinders are engaged in fighting against. And I cannot justify this position before the ' Pioneers with^am^definitely associated.

When I first accepted the position of being a member of the South African Institute of Race Relations I was attracted by the fine programme we had in linking up the Joint Councils and their work and the power I realised the Institute would attain in forwarding the work of establish­ing good relations between white and black through the Joint Councils and other public interracial conferences. There was no hint nor warning that this would be directed against the efforts of the Bantu in case the latter elected to conduct any movement in which they chose to make use of their own Initiative power independently of the Joint Councils.

Inasmuch as this is the line adopted by the Pathfinders here,the line of enlisting the authority of Departmental agents to stifle the progress of a Bantu national movement like the Pioneers,I wish to set myself free to criticize such actions without being tied down by being a committee member of an Institute that is responsible for arranging your tours in the interests of the Pathfinders.

I think it desirable that you should know my intention thus at the earliest opportunity.

Sincerely Yours

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NTSELAMANZI PUBLIC HALL.OFFICERS'. Members of Committee:

Chairman: M r. T . Sopotela M r. M . Ntlebi

Headman. Sandy M tule n B. Bokwe „ T . Vanda

Secretary: (> p . Tshayi „ N . Mali

M r. Innes Vennah „ J. Momo „ A. Balfour

Treasurer : () S. Gqomfa

M r. D . D . T. Jabavu, B.A. (Lond.)

J.D.Rheinallt Jonea Esq M.A. Box 1176,Johannesburg

Lovedale, C.P.

Port Hare,ALICE,C.p. 23rd. April 19

Dear Mr Jones,

I thank you ror your letter of the 16th instant and. the circulars of the Race Relations Institute.

Concerning a meeting of representatives or the pathfinders and. the Pioneers it is impossible to get the heads of the Pioneers here outside of vacation periods. Nor do I think this is desirable at the present stage as it has been abundantly tried and no agreement was reached and both sides fe have carried on as they are now doing as a result of the failure to strike £ agreement at their last conference. And I too did talk this over with you when you were here last year and I do not think it is necessary for us to go over the same ground again with you.

The matter of my intended resignation from the committee of the Race Relations Institute we shall discuss more fully as I wish you and the other members of it to be quite clear on my reasons for taking the step I have decided to take.

Yours sincerely,

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Ccmv S.A.Native College,Fort Rare,

Alice, C.P.

9th May, 1932.

Howard Pim, Esq.,Box 1331,

Johannes turg.

Dear Mr. Pirn, J , .I hasten to assure you that my mind is not

irrevocably made up to resign from the Raoe Relations Committee.

My position, in a nutshell, is just this: I am

still heartily in sympathy with the work we all set out to do when

we entered upon our Joint task which was the culmination of the

various efforts we had all been engaged in since the memorable Johannes*

burg European Bantu Conference of 1923, for whioh we had previously

worked in various ways.

Till this far I have enthusiastically supported

Mr. Rheinallt Jones , backing up his efforts with whioh I am in

agreement. But he has entered into debatable ground now, that

of being the Chief Pathfinder and of including as a definite item

in his itinerary the propaganda of Pathfinders. Opinion on

Pathfinders is violently divided. Some Natives up-country have from

time to time levelled their criticism against Pathfinders , for their

own reasons. Down here in my part of the land there is a section of

Natives conducting strong opposition to the Pathfinders, for reasons

I need not explain. Myself, I belong to a branch of Native self-

improvement social activities tnat we had established long before we

had ever heard even of the name of Pathfinders. <e worked without

any reference to the Pathfinders, there being no confliot because

the Pathfinders had caused no disturbance in our work. But two

years ago our work was challenged, assailed and seriously disturbed

by the arrival of the Pathfinders in the looations that we were working

in. Thus began the confliot. I discussed this matter last year

with Mr. Jones but got no satisfaction, for he said he was not in a

position to intervene because although he was the Chief of Pathfinuers,

he was technically unable to interfere with his subordinate officials

who were the oause of our complaints.

This at once made my position in the Race

/.Relations

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Relations Institute untenable, for in all appearance, I am responsible

for sending Mr. Jones round on a mir3ion that fights my own work.

Ihe problem therefore is that either Mr. Jones must drop his

Pathfinder activity, or I must drop out of the Institute Committee.

I oannot face both ways. I cannot presume to ask Mr. Jones to give

up his Pathfinder activity. Hence I felt the way out was for me to

arrange to resign my position. It is Hobson’s ohoice to me unless

you and rrofessor Brookes can bring about a modus operandi between

Mr. Jones and myself.

I feel strongly on the matter that Native initiative should

not be thwarted even by a well meaning group like the Pathfinders.

There are two vital principles that I wish to have clearly understood:-

aotivitiLtw^-h°wM^i«iSi0f^tlle Ra° 6 Felations should be confined to

§ a re^ ™ ^ i i 6 , B! s i ^ ^ “ FS r t f ^ ! 9! 9S . ,o ,*ann*a bure- 1923 ■i924-

All that is true common ground . In it there are no differences

of opinion as between those who have the interest of the Bantu at

heart . It is a vast field and one worthy of our hardest efforts .

I have always regarded myself as patriotically hide-bound to throw the

utmost of my energy in this direction and that is why I have joyfully

identified myself with the Race Relations Institute work for which

I wish to work till I die.

My principle here is that we should keep the Institute clear of

all propaganda producing disunion and divided forces, such propaganda,

for instance, as the Pathfinder Movement in the light of its actions

in the districts where I happen to live. I actually emphatically rule

out the activity of the African Pioneers ( with which I am identified)

from being introduced in the programme of this Institute . This

Institute must keep to its broad objects jus,; outlined and not be

involved in the smaller work that can be better done by local people.

'.he position held by Mr. Jones should not be entangled with thesebe

minor activities, whatever/his personal leanings toward them.

Neither should I introduce the Pioneer Movement into the Institute

whatever be my own predilections. In my capacity as Council member

I should oonfine myself to the big questions.

/(h )

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PATHP1OTKR and FlCMFER te.Ww|^i

r'^ fit Lovwdai* to * £ £ & £ * «£f*f ***" <,Ebnvu and Hr Sh. }n„114, . of intention to <**ot«a by X f?**'hr tTonea» eotivltl^n^n -cwnitte* of th© 3 notl®«- K »

spirit o f ^ ®rt ™-Mag ■'

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instead th£ f S n ^ ^ ? f r<5ed t0 hie r r ^ t , *T ^ f * W,tl<m ftt <*• **** 5 * 8 *

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workoutr S 2 ^ * «8tilnrn"P' ry 1 P®** ..,.,v, . >poreonal aotivitioa#« T ** ** Jon«‘ om ;

s s r gao«M»«n the two

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Profes or D,D,T,Jabavu,S. A . Native College,

FORT HARE, Alice, C.P

At East London,May 27, 1932

Dear Mr Jabavu,

The rain having caused the meeting in the Location to bo cancelled I have this evening been able to type out the ninute of our talk on Wednesday, and I hope you will find the enclosed copy to be sufficiently accurate*

It is possible that the weather may prevent the holding of the Pathfinder Council tomorrow; in this case I will see to it that the Council receives a written message from me to work hard for harmonious co-operrstion with the Pioneer Movement,

I want to thank you for the friendly spirit which made our conversation on Wednesday so fruitful, and I especially apore- iated your coming over to see me in the heft of the day, I sincerely trust that you and I are to see many years of close co-operation in the great cause.

I deeply sympathise with your anxiety to see Africans theiaselves undertaking betterment work, and I believe I see very definite progress in the last few years in this respect,

I return tomorrow to Lovedale to stay w^th Dr Wilkie for a few days and then go on to Grrahanstowa.

With kind regards.Tours sincerely

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tm 1 hfv» b* <«i obiefiy instrs^ntel ia tseinteininr frisadly re tioas between the Soout end ^sthfin^er Movr*wnt8# end in ^evelopiag these relations to the point wfee shortly ’’on- trepeftns will rlther be afe&ttad as iSeouts in the South Afpiesn organisation or the Pethfin«Jer !&maaent t?ill be pleoed on sn e oel brsla the Jteout Im m m I in federation with the arid ' eout 1owwt« Mriftav* pre et a Jelieete strge no«r# «id raost confidential too, nad iiy ?ittb*?m«el now any seriously prejudice the oosition.

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provided, amd some arrangement reaohed for the reooenition

«« J f r S d . before transfer. This will be difficult I

f. Critioia* of either Movement, wither in speeches, press articles

f f i : . 1* ° eTGr4ly "■<’°'»t.nanood by the

* • ’" ‘and ElTe i f lp } " Pl0Mer * °rk ‘ hay om do so

to carry through, and I shall think x a t f % i 5 a£i +* 11,111 “ 0t be Rn easy °°« ferenoe for your «uc«ess! °f y0U * * every sympathy and shall pray

touches me deeply. m <Tif adds f r J ™ L SPfen?id J 0yalty to me fi3 chi^ P&thfirider work w. are trying to do. I S S k Vou t L ? > ? 8Ure 1 hsv* the greatfrom East W o n : 'that t*lk was most helpful R'e 80 oonf"ta b ly here

With the best of Pathfinder G-eetintf®.

Yours pvcv.

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St. Andrew's College, rRAHAMSTOra,

Cape Province.G1

June 30th, 1932.

My dear Rheinallt Jones,

ITkosimkulu came to se me yesterday in gre^t trouble.He fears that your position as Chief Pathfinder is going to cause a split in the Joint Council ranks, and if Jabavu resigns from his position on the Committee of the Institute and dis­associates himself from the Joint Council movement then the Joint Council movement will cease to he a power among the Native people of South Africa. His point is that you, as the head of the Joint Council Movement, should he in a position to he absolutely impartial as between Pioneer and Pathfinder. He himself would give you credit for being able to be impartial, but he says that the Native people will never believe that you can be Chief Pathfinder a.nd at the same time look upon the progress of the Pioneers with a friendly eye. I am bound to say’ that I can very clearly see his point.

When Tkosimkulu said "Would Mr. R .J. resign his position as Chief Pathfinder to save the Joint Councils?" the obvious reply was "Would Ja-bavu reconsider his resignation from the Institute for the same reason?" >Tkosimkulu then asked me if I , as Secretary of the Joint Council, would write to Jabavu, and suggested that he (rkosimkulu) should write to you. This I thought a good suggestion a.nd it was put forward with a real desire for compromise. For me to ask you to consider dis­associating yourself from the P-thfindeTs 'vould be impudent, but if it really comes to having to choose between saving the Joint Council movement and giving up the Pathfinders you will probably feel as I do - that if the Joint Council ideal goes there is no hope for anybody in South Africa.

I fear that since your visit, friction in Craha,mstown between the Pioneers and Pathfinders has increased. I am always fearful that one or other of the sections in the Joint Council may withdraw, and here, where all our able native members are in the Pioneer camp, if the latter withdrew our Joint Council would have to clore down.

The position is very difficult. I do hope a way out may be found.

I enclose a copy of my letter to Jabavu of which Jacques approves. Jacques is working hard for compromise.

Hope you are fit . Best wishes from us all.

Ever yours J .E .H . MYLNE (signed).

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"o 27 Victoria Hoad,

GRAHAMSTOWN,

J?9th June, 1932.

Prof R. Jones, Witwatersrand University, JOHANNESBURG.

Dear Sir,

As a strong believer in the Joint Council Movement and Leader of the A. Pioneers I feel that it would be in the interest of racial co-operation if the Adviser on Race Relations for the present resigned from the Position of Chief Pathfinder.

I fear otherwise that the progress of Joint Council movement may be impeded, and view the possible resignation of Prof Jabavu from the Joint Council with alarm.

I am Sir,

Yours faithfully,

THOS NKOSINKULU (Signed).

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Mr. D .D .T . Jabavu,S.A. Native Collage, Fort Hare,ALICE,Cape Province.

Dear Sir,

I have had a long interview with Mr. Thomas Ukosimkulu. He is one of the staunchest members of our Joint Council and came to tell me that it was his opinion that if you resigned from the Committee of the Institute of Race Relations (because of dissatisfaction at the Adviser on Race Relations holding the post of Chief Pathfinder) the Joint Council movement in South Africa would steadily lose ground.

I expressed to Nkosimkulu the view that the Pathfinder and Pioneer movements, although of real value, were but small things compared with such a thing as the Joint Council ideal for without the rapid extension of the Joint Council ideal in South Africa I can se no hope for the future of Black or White. Upon this point Nkosimkulu and myself are, I believe, in complete agreement, and he has aqked me as Secretary of our Joint Council to write to you to expres? the hope that you and the Adviser on Race Relations (to whose splendid work for Joint Councils both Knosimkulu and myself pay tribute) may find a way out for the sake of the Joint Council ideal upon which we believe that the future happiness of South Africa depends.

Yours faithfully,

(Signed) J .E .H . Mylne.

P . 3. Our Joint Council draws no distinction whatever between Pioneer and Pathfinder; we look u on both movements with equal favour and I personally support both.

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The news that the local Boy Soout leaders "are mostly

in fevotir of their movement being extended to Coloured boys"

is one of the surprising events of the -week* end -will no doubt

bo looked to with interest by many of our youngsters who have

always recognised the organisation as being for Europeans only*

The main issue is not uniform or name, but what the organisation

stwnds for, their activities, and as stated the "ohsraeter-forming"

movement that is so much needed "oven more than the white boys"*

There are someishat similar institutions for the Coloured

youth under the jurisdiction of the churches, quite ■orthy bodies,

namely the Boys* Brigade and the Church Lads’ Brigade, unfortunate­

ly with a military flavour, end its accompanying principle of

military dioipline* We favour an organisation nfeioh has *. polioy

of uplift, where the lad has an opportunity of using the initiative

«nd originality of his mind, brnin nnd hands, in fact to bring out

the best that is in him*

We regret that one of the leeders has said the Coloured boys

"■were not willing to join the *Ftethfinders* because its mentoers

were nearly all Natives"j the latter movement is not generally

kno'vn, «nd it is as ■well to state here that as well as there are

Native boys in the churoii institutions, so there may be Coloured lads

in the "Pathfinders", where they are established, but we cannot vouch

for the objection stated above*

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Copy sent at the request of Professor D.D.T. Jabavu.

Fort Hare,Alioe, C.P.

3rd October, 1932.

Dear Mr. Pim,I am glad to inform you that I now see every

hope of seeing the trouble between the Pathfinders and Pioneers

amicably settled and if my hope is realised I will no longer have any

need to worry about my withdrawing from the South African Institute

of Race Relations.

Of oourse the negotiations between the groups are

still under way and far from being completed, but as I happen myself

to be the chief intermediary and am doing my utmost to bring about

reconciliation, I feel I have good reasons for my optimism, and I

write to make you also feel happy over the prospect.

Kindly inform Professor Brookes and Mr. Rheinallt

Jones, and any other Council members sufficiently interested in the

matter.Yours sib.C6.rely,

*>

( Sgd .) D .D .T . Jabavu.

J. D. Rheinallt Jones, Esq.,P. 0. Box 1176,

Johannesburg.

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