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Tim Wilson-Brown !
Despite the warnings and the apology, this outcome is convenient for those in power inEmergent, and completely in line with Tony Jones' previous and continuing actions to silence
any conversations about this alleged abuse. You really should be more careful to avoid actions
that would clearly be viewed incredibly skeptically by a large number of commenters.
I notice you also disabled comments enitrely on your apology, which is also convenient. After
using a post with almost a thousand comments as a trial run, did you do the same thing, or try
something di"erent?
Matthew, if you doubt your technical competence, don't take your first action in public, on a
highly controversial and visible blog, a"ecting almost a thousand comments. This should be
embarrasing for you, and whoever granted you admin access, and Nadia.
Try a private test environment, or, if Patheos doesn't provide that, an ancient post with few
comments. "Test on an inconspicuous spot first", as they say.
Secondly, if you modify a post or its comments, please edit the post to acknowledge that. It's
basic Internet etiquette. Otherwise, Patheos tech support will get complaints that comments on
their site aren't working, from those who come straight to the post.
This could mean editing the "Do you have questions" post to document the disabling of local
comments, and their new location on disqus. It also would help to put
a note at the bottom of your apology to note that comments are disabled there as well.
Given your lack of experience, you may want to make sure that Nadia's next post actually has
active comments - unless, of course, you intend comments to be o"for future posts.
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Jmac6301 !
I will ask again...what format would you like all 881 comments in? I will send after class around
10 pm central so they can be back up by 10:30PM. I know you would NEVER delete
comments. It's okay. We can get them right back up. Thank you for not being like the enabling
abusers who covered up his abuse for the past 7 years primarily by deleting threads such as
this.
Jmac6301 !
Where are my comments? Your wife has my email. Why is she hiding? Further, why is a smartwoman going down for an abusive NPD?
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hikerrev !
@ Jmac6301 ~ I just sent you a FB message. It may end up in your 'other' folder, which is why I
make note of it here.
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Jmac6301 !
He tees it up by saying, "I might accidentally delete" WHAT FRAUDS!!!
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Jmac6301 !
Nadia's Lutheran Bishop told her to not speak to a woman who was physically, emotionally,
and litigiously abused?
She was told instead to endorse shamelessly the abuser and ignore the woman? Even hang upon her when she called her by phone out of desperation having been silenced and shunned by
all of the middle aged white males in and around Emergent epicenter.....she asked her for help
and she said, "I will not engage in gossip."
You are saying that Nadia was advised by her Lutheran Bishop to...
"In response to the advice given to her by
her Bishop, her Spiritual Director, and her husband (me), Nadia makes it
a policy to not read any comments on her blog or on her Facebook page."
Was she clairvoyant when she attacked commenters calling them people with "digital
pitchforks." She won't comment but she will publicly post a support letter of an abuser who
threatens at progressive "Christian" conferences to attendees how he would like to have his ex
wife murdered. THAT the Bishop of the Lutheran Church in Denver, Colorado supports? I don't
think so.
Doubt it. Bishop? Bishop of the Lutheran church in Denver, Colorado for the House of All
Saints and Sinners, are you REALLY supporting this sham and advised Nadia to remain silent
about an abuser when the evidence is overwhelming?
Jmac6301 !
From an anonymous source.....
I have been following this situation since last September, but have been
very hesitant to share one of the main reasons why I've believed Julie
since she first posted on NP's story last September. I have friends and
colleagues who support ToJo. I don't know what the consequences will beif this gets traced back to me, but here goes: I met ToJo last year at a
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conference. Within about an hour of meeting him he made comments to me
about wanting to 'murder his ex-wife' and wishing he had never had
children. I knew nothing of his personal life at the time, but I
remember being really weirded out by the intensity with which he said
these things. He did not sound 'jokey.' It was disturbing. I handed my
hosting responsibilities over to other conference volunteers after that
and kept my distance from him. Even so, I had held out the possibilitythat I might pursue a partnership with JoPa on a future conference, but
realized in January, when ToJo began his retaliation against Julie, that
I could not, in good conscience do so. I reached out to Julie privately
two months ago to let her know and to o"er my prayers and support. One
side note: I have also been asked to provide major financial support to
a local NBW appearance in 2016. I intend to speak to the organizers of
that event about withdrawing my pledge and to tell them why. Sorry for
attempting to be anonymous about this, I hope you all understand.
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Jmac6301 !
She never reads her comments....BS. That's why she attacked commenters calling them
people with "digital pitchforks." And, what is this weird behavior of Rachel and Nadia having
their husbands swoop in to save them. Dear Lord, you just set the woman's movement back to
1950. Nadia's a big girl she can speak up for herself and she has some serious explaining to do
as to why she supports and in an over the top manner an abuser?! She is supportive of a man
who threatened to have his ex wife murdered? Yes, that happened and at a "Christian
conference."
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CurtisMSP !
So when people reach out to Nadia for help on social media, she ignores them? This is on the
advice of her Bishop?
Isn't it dishonest to not tell people this before they start reaching out, with the assumption that
Nadia is reading?
The honest thing to do would to turn o"comments on the blog and on Facebook, rather
continue with the deception that Nadia is reading them. Maybe you can ask what the Bishop's
advice about deception is and get back to us?
hikerrev !
I recently received notice that the comments here, in response to this note Nadia has written
about a new book, have gotten quite numerous and by some accounts somewhat aggressive.
Further, (having briefly glanced at only a handful of comments, I see that) there are some falseassumptions being made here as well as some inappropriate ad hominem attacks.
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I will, therefore, be disabling comments for this post.
Please know that Nadia has not read any of these comments and does not know what's been
said here. In response to the advice given to her by her Bishop, her Spiritual Director, and her
husband (me), Nadia makes it a policy to not read any comments on her blog or on her
Facebook page.
However, the comments are occasionally reviewed (but not shared with her) by people who
love her, and in this case I have made the decision that there has been enough opportunity for
folks to weigh in. None of the comments, thus far, have been deleted by me or by Nadia. If any
have been deleted, that has been done by someone other than this household and
unbeknownst to me. Further, it is not my intention to delete any of the comments posted here
... however, as this is my first time administering a Patheos blog, if I accidentally do so, please
forgive me.
Peace be with you.
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hikerrev !
Great idea, KT. The link to this thread is now posted on the apology post on Nadia's
blog.
And thanks for your reflections, Caryn. I honestly don't know when the general practice
of not reading or responding to comments started, but thank you for pointing out the
truth that many people expect that the poster is also paying attention to the comments.
I'll talk with Nadia about whether or not it makes sense to put some kind if disclaimer in
the blog intro.
Nadia is the Pastor of House for All Sinners and Saints, which is part of the Rocky
Mountain Synod of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America. I feel uncomfortable
putting contact info here, but I'm sure you can track that down.
As to the remainder of the conversation posted since the comments were taken down,
I'd like to share that Julie and I have had a conversation with one another on another
platform, and I thank sincerely thank her for that.
Further, please note that I won't be taking the time to track this conversation very
closely over the coming days, so I ask that you not take o"ense if I don't respond to this
conversation.
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KT Pridgen !
Thank you for posting the link, Matthew!
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Living Liminal !
It's good to see a link to the accidentally lost comments has been added. Is there any
reason it wasn't put up on the post that people were actually commenting on?
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Caryn LeMur !
Hi Hikerrev:
You wrote on Nadia's Blog: "In response to the advice given to her by her Bishop, her
Spiritual Director, and her husband (me), Nadia makes it a policy to not read any
comments on her blog or on her Facebook page."
1. When did this policy start? At what date did Nadia continue posting, but determined
to never read a comment?
2. Whom is her Lutheran Bishop that gave such advice? May I have a name and
address to write to him/her? [I believe that such advice, which is "OK to proclaim; but
not OK to engage", is counter to the gospel of Christ. So, while I may applaud the
obedience of Nadia to her Bishop, I also wish to write to him/her and appeal his/her
guidance to Nadia.]
3. Please ensure that you also post in the Section above all future comments, "In
response to the advice given to her by her Bishop, her Spiritual Director, and her
husband (me), Nadia makes it a policy to not read any comments on her blog or on herFacebook page." You should do this so that people like me, that posted questions to
Nadia, will realize that she will never read the question (and of course, then never
respond). In this manner, you will at least remove the appearance of deception (after all,
blogs on Patheos are for dialog with the author, rather than just for simple
proclamations by the author).
Sincerely; Caryn LeMur
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KT Pridgen !
Hey, I'm hoping you see an alert from this reply. I saw your apology post about deleting
the comments. The comments are all still available through Disqus. I think it'd be great
for transparency to include a link. Since deleting them was an accident, you can
essentially restore them by just posting the link that leads directly the the Disqus
conversation: https://disqus.com/home/discus...
Caryn LeMur !
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ONE REBUTTAL TO SUMMARY REQUESTED BY SOME HAVING TROUBLE
WITH DISQUS [posted by "Kandace"]:
I am not a lawyer.
I assume that Kandace is not a lawyer.
However, after researching the Digital Law Project, I am especially concerned that Kandace didnot mention that Tony Jones is certainly a Limited Purpose Public Figure.
http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guid...
A Limited Purpose Public Figure is someone that has thrust themselves to the forefront of
particular controversies in order to influence the resolution of
the issues involved."
What has been discussed in these postings (on Nadias blog) are opinions. The subjects
discussed in these postings has been greatly encouraged by Tony Jones.
Please consider just the following (there is more):
Multiple times on his world-wide Internet Patheos Blog, Tony Jones thrust himself to the
forefront of discussions concerning marriage, sacramental marriage, legal marriage, his own
decision to obtain a sacramental marriage (and 2 years later obtain a legal marriage). Tony
Jones also made public the di$culty of
his extrication (release from) his first marriage. [See especially his posts beginning 04 January
2010.]
Caryn LeMur !
Post 2 of 3:
Tony Jones also published a small book There Are Two
Marriages and made it available onAmazon.comfor world-wide purchase, wherein he
extolled the possible non-bible-based virtues of obtaining two marriages in sequential
order with great time between each marriage (the first having no legal binding; the
second being perhaps 2 years later, and then conferring full Fed and State benefitsto the spouses).
Thus, Tony Jones has thrust himself to the forefront of discussions concerning marriage,
theology, church-sanctioned premarital sex, and pragmatic denial of Biblical scriptures
[see especially First Timothy 5:8].
A few times on the NakedPastor blog of 05 September 2014, Tony Jones thrust himself
to the forefront of discussions concerning spiritual abuse (one of the issues in the
original NP post), and the conduct of Mars Hill pastor Mark Driscoll. Tony Jones first
wife also responded on the same blog concerning mental and marriage abuse.
On 16 September 2014, and in the above blog, Tony Jones stated, all
the court records in our divorce and subsequent legal activity are public.
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Anyone who really cared to know the truth would not have much trouble finding the
entire story. I have nothing to hide, as those records paint a clear picture. Thus both
Tony and his first wife arguably became limited purpose public figures in this area of
abuse (mental and spiritual), as well as concerning their own previous marriage.
Please note that Tonys statement " I have nothing to hide" if it only pertained to public
court records (already not hidden), would be nonsensical. Their private divorce thus
arguably became public fodder for public debate and opinions.
Caryn LeMur !
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However, the most significant example by Tony Jones
showing his desire to thrust himself to the forefront of particular
controversies is this:
On/about 27 January 2015, and by publishing a 12 page document on theWorld-wide Internet, Tony Jones again thrust himself into the controversies
swirling about his first
marriage, to include the following areas in particular:
(1) the status of his (and his first wife's) child custody;
(2) whom initiated the divorce;
(3) Tonys relationship with Courtney Perry (his second wife) prior to September
2008;
(4) Tonys relationship with Courtney Perry prior to divorce
proceedings (which proceedings resulted in divorce from his first wife);(5) the allegation that Tony physically damaged his first wifes shoulder;
(6) spousal abuse (in particular; later, in general);
(7) alleged false reports by his first wife to law enforcement and child protection
services;
(8) Tonys payment of child support;
(9) one particular arrest incident that involved his first wife;
(10) one incident wherein Tony filed for temporary custody, which was denied by
the court;
(11) Tonys diagnosis of Narcissistic Personality Disorder
(NPD) and a (unstated) diagnosis given to his first wife; and
(12) that Tony Jones never had an a"air and never used the phrase spiritual
wife [quick note, Tony uses the phrase sacramental wife];
and closes with Tonys legal and media contacts.
Dr. Tony Jones thus clearly confirmed his intense desire to keep himself as a
limited purpose public figure for the purposes of allowing the world-wide public
to comment on his personal life, his theology, his marriage philosophy, and the
many controversies and allegations concerning his first marriage to Julie
MacMahon.
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Again, Kandice did not mention how Tony Jones has undeniably sought to be a
very large limited purpose public figure. I am
impressed at the bravery of Dr. Tony Jones, and the amount of opinions and
debate Tony Jones has deliberately invited by virtue of his own actions.
Sincerely; Caryn LeMur
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Gretchen !
As I read the comments I am struck by two things: 1) the talk of various individuals in ministry
having narcissistic traits or full NPD, and 2) the number of times posts contain the words "the
problem is..."
I realize I'm about to engage in a manor incongruent with the rest of the discussion, but this is
driving me NUTS and I need to say it somewhere...
In my opinion, THE PROBLEM isn't a narcissistic/abusive minister here and there (though thatis indeed a problem), but rather that Christianity itself--or at least American Christianity--
fosters, produces and maintains narcissism in its members. Worse yet, narcissism has become
so woven into the fabric of Christian culture, particularly with respect to leadership, we are
drawn to and expect our leaders to demonstrate narcissism. Unfortunately, individuals with
NPD have a number of attractive qualities we tend to want in our leaders. As a community,
somehow we need to find a way to know/ remember that charming, engaging, provocative,
"edgy", sarcastic or otherwise dramatic
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Gretchen !
(Sorry, discus froze on me--picking up where I left o"...) are both qualities that lend
themselves to performance art, but can ALSO be huge red flags for NPD.
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Gretchen !
I suspect we are more vulnerable to the charms of the narcissistic minister these
days, as so much of our culture has become entertainment oriented. Not trying
to be a curmudgeon here, I just think it's a real issue.
Annie Banannie !
Jmac- I love how you wear your heart on your sleeve. Of course NBW is in on it. "Hosting" this
comment thread as a sort of bizarro world answer to the NP thread. Too bad there aren't
enough tony supporters to make it look legit, because all those fake accounts are pretty
laughable.
You know it's not quite working how they want when they start deleting your comments andlimiting how you are able to post. I'm hoping all the best for your next outcomes. May there be
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more laughing at ToJo in the immediate future.
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KT Pridgen !
Julie has reported that she can no longer comment on NBW's blog. She believes she has been
blocked. Just FYI for y'all.
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CurtisMSP !
Let the censoring begin. Kandace said it was coming. It will be interesting to see what
story they are able to craft out of the mountain of discussion here.
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Jmac6301 !
I was just able to with my name but not as guest. only an admin can change that. they
need my name for it to be an exhibit like 2 weeks ago in court when he lost. this ain't my
first NPD rodeo....we are in double digits. I know and have seen it all before. gotta go to
my unpaid internship and then grad school. I'll be back much later to see the spin work!
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Caryn LeMur !
Posted by Anne Lamont in another thread elsewhere, but very appropriate here:
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7. Publication and temporary creative successes are something you have to recover from. They
kill as many people as not. They will hurt, damage and change you in ways you cannot
imagine. The most degraded and sometimes nearly-evil men I have known were all writers
who'd had bestsellers. Yet, it is also a miracle to get your work published ... . Just try to bust
yourself gently of the fantasy that publication will heal you, will fill the Swiss cheesey holes. It
won't, it can't. But writing can. So can singing.
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Jmac6301 !
My last 5 comments regarding this thread being the next exhibit in lawyer Simon Troutmans
next run at defamation were deleted. Nadia is in on this. When I receive the next Motion I will
speak out in detail. I hold the truth and that will always be my winning defense. The fact the
Judge told him to withdraw and not waste his time will not deter an NPD...they just work
another angle. I have survived the crazy campaign, the your mother is a criminal campaign, the
she has defamed me with false allegations claim. What's next? It seems to be some sort of
hybrid of she can't be telling the truth because she has rich relatives campaign? Creative forsure....but the truth remains. My child has been used to try and silence me from telling my
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story. There is no depth to which a narcissist will go to destroy their target and yes they will
even stoop so low as to use the children.
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Caryn LeMur !
Hopefully not!
Nadia: if you did delete those particular comments, please explain why?
I was hoping you would not go the way of Rachel Held Evans, now famous for her
'hiding' comments on her FaceBook Page. Yes, she used her husband to do the dirty
work (or, her husband asserted his authority over her ministry... we do not know).... but
the message to others was "Your voice does not matter to me."
"Open rebuke is better than hidden love." If you disagree with the postings concerning
X subject, then use the tool of 'open rebuke'. Please do not disgrace our Lord Jesus by
hiding comments.
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Alan Molineaux !
Getting the impression that this is not the same kind of safe safe space that David created on
his site.
1) Whereas David put a lot of e"ort into facilitating the conversation, Nadia seems to have
jumped ship.
2) The nature of disqus means that people can create accounts for the purpose of causing
trouble and baiting. They don't even seem willing to give details to someone they consider
safe.
3) It feels as if Julie has been left a little exposed by some of the comments. I think she
deserves more.
Julie - I hope you know that there are people who care about how this goes.
Caryn LeMur !
Nadia and Tony:
In my mind, the death of Jesus opened the gateway to having a new heart within us. A heart
that was (by analogy) changed from being a 'stone' and 'non-living', to being 'alive' and
therefore 'trainable'.
I would be interested in reading how the Cross of Christ personally and pragmatically a"ected
each of you.
For example: I became a Christian by some sort of personal encounter with Jesus at the end of
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8th grade, in 1970. It was an amazing moment.
I changed slowly over the years. Being from a military family, I knew of loyalty, rank,
followership, and discipline.
But it was from Christians (my wife, Bonnie and a Christian school teacher) that I began to learn
of gentleness, kindness, and being patient with others. I learned forgiveness, how to releasepeople into the loving hands of Jesus, and move on with my life.
Your turns?
Sincerely; Caryn LeMur
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Guest !
Caryn, that was how I knew this was of ego and man and had absolutely nothing to do
with God. I kept asking, "Where is the fruit?" I am not seeing it! This is about big
business and not about any personal relationships with the Lord. There is no spiritual
growth. You will not be answered here or anywhere because we are being "stonewalled"
a silencing technique abusers use to control. Nadia is reading all of these comments
and choosing silence. She is a classic NPD enabler. Her words and actions do not align.
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Caryn LeMur !
Guest: you have a point, based on my review of the comments. I see very little to
nothing from Nadia.
May I propose we give her another day or two for answering my questions?
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CurtisMSP !
Nadia has said nothing here. I'm not sure she comments in any of her
blog posts.
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KT Pridgen !
Unfortunately, she had months to respond to the allegations against Tony
Jones. Like RHE, she's dismissed and blocked people attempting to
engage her about the issue.
Caryn LeMur !
I am very sad to hear that Nadia has chosen to walk away from the
example of our Jesus.Nadia: please consider our Lord's example in Matt 23. He was not afraid
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to call a spade a spade.
At the least, speak against the doctrine of "Two Marriages". I would
suggest that you reassert that you are a Lutheran Pastor, and not part of
the Emerging Movement.
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CurtisMSP !
Well, in Nadia's line of business, contracts come before God. Ironically
enough.
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Guest !
then this...an actual death threat goes unchecked by feminist Nadia our "host"
I met ToJo last year at a conference. Within about an hour of meeting
him he made comments to me about wanting to 'murder his ex-wife' andwishing he had never had children. I knew nothing of his personal life
at the time, but I remember being really weirded out by the intensity
with which he said these things. He did not sound 'jokey.' It was
disturbing.
itsallasham !
Anyone bringing up Julie's family and the wealth present there is channeling ToJo and his circle
because that's all that guy ever talked about when they were married. That and his need tomake at least 100k/year to support his lifestyle (which is apparently not working since his
parents own his home). Take the personalities and history out of it and you get this: a self-
fulfilling circle of narcissists who wirte jacket blurbs for each other's books, sit around
comparing publishers and advance fees, and really really poor theology that has led more
people to idol worship than made any serious contribution to the future of the Christian church.
What HAS been helpful about the emergent movement? It has shown the evangelical church
that it is not God's great gift to mankind either and has helped many people leave behind the
abuses of power and spirituality they experienced there. But leave no doubt about it, I don't
give a rat's behind what you think of who said what to whom and who filed what about
whatever... the sum of these people's lives is what they can earn and how often they can get
others to pay to hear them speak and then pay more to let them hang out with each other
before and afterwards. You want to dent this thing? STOP GOING TO THEIR CONFERENCES
AND BUYING THEIR LAME BOOKS. You want to help Julie? Stop inflating egos to the point
that no one is listening to the voices of reconciliation, confession and absolution. I'd even say
David, et al should pause the whole thing too everyone who needs to know the truth now
knows it. There will be a few suckers who pay for the pleasure of Tony and Nadia's company
but if you all stop going then what movement are they really leading? Nadia has sacrificed her
role as a public leader for this lucrative friendship and her failed comedy career made way for
fawning legions of NBW-ites but after you've heard the same talk a few hundred times you will
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realize there is no 'there' there. It's empty calories. Loaded with MSG. Bad. For. Your. Soul.
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Guest !
I am not a psychologist but I am in graduate school getting my Masters in Clinical
Mental Health Counseling and LPCC. I listened to Nadia on On Faith radio show. She
has all of the hallmarks of a narcissist herself. I would not be surprised. Birds of afeather.
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Alan Molineaux !
The problem is that this isn't just about TJ and his income. It is about the misuse of
power by church leaders.
I don't care what he earns. I don't really care if people want to buy his books or listen to
him (other than the e"ect upon the church)
I do care that the church hears the voice of the abused and has the chance to learn
lessons from things like this.
I am not sure that suggesting David should 'pause' does anything but support the
status quo: namely let's the powerful maintain their power.
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CurtisMSP !
The thing is, the critics of this Christian celebrity network are a tiny fraction of that
network's total followers. Most of the fans have either not heard the critique, or have
dismissed it, as they instructed to do by the network leaders. Now is not the time for the
critics to go silent. Now is the time to speak strongly until they are heard.
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Guest !
I agree with you whole heartedly. They are blind, deaf and dumb to the truth and it's
pointless. They are self made gods and stopped listening to the Holy Spirit long ago.Preach reconciliation and refuse to reconcile with me. THIS is the theology. Empty
words and it's big business. I was a liability and needed to be discarded by the
machine. Thanks for adding your insight. He WAS obsessed with my lineage and
propped up his NPD ego. Money and status are everything to that guy. He wi use
anyone and anything to get ahead.
nakedpastor !
I do appreciate your argument itsallasham. But it would only make sense if I cared onlyfor myself. What about all the people who continue to be bullied and abused by power
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and those who possess it? What about those who have su"ered from it and need a safe
space to share their experiences? My observation from the survivors I know is that they
are telling their stories not just for their own relief but for the redemption and relief of
those who are still under it. This is why I won't let it rest.
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No_6 !
The problem with some advocates is the heaps of false hope that accompany
the advocacy. Your strength is in providing a platform, which you excel at above
all your peers. But what I know from first-hand experience having needed
advocates in the past is that once you go public--you're dealing with everyone
else's baggage, including the advocate's own baggage. And yes--I have never
met an advocate who didn't throw theirs on the pile, too. Which it is not a
victim's responsibility to deal with.
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KT Pridgen !
So, do ya'll think these personas are Tony or his lawyer? I imagine some skeezy lawyer getting
paid $450 an hour for creating fake online profiles and annoying people online and laugh a
little.
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wordvixen !
I call a mix. I'm almost positive that a handful are Tony. I'm betting a certain one is an
underling for his lawyer. I have one pegged for Courtney, but I'm willing to give that one
a pass in case I'm wrong. I don't know enough of Jay to peg his style.
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Danica !
Believe me lawyers don't spend their time doing this. It's TJ, and maybe his right-hand
man Jay Bakker.
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KT Pridgen !
Oooh, I just Googled Jay. Soooo many tattoos. And hipster glasses and stern-
looking portraits. That means he's progressive and relevant, so it couldn't be
him. :P
CurtisMSP !
I'm thinking its the lawyers. The fake accounts are more creative than I am willing to
give Tony credit for. There are lawyers that specialize in extracting evidence from socialmedia. But the lawyers are just doing their job. It is Nadia that needs to be held
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accountable for allowing her blog to be used as an evidence gathering tool against a
victim of abuse.
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CurtisMSP !
Why does Kandace fail to mention the most well-established facts in her "summary", such as
Tony's NPD, or the web of endorsement and publicity contracts among Tony's group? Andwhat makes her think these posts will be sensored soon? What does she know that she is not
saying?
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Guest !
Cryptically intimidating. She knows the launch of the next lawsuit and has been sent to
solicit exhibits for the NPD. She has not been forthcoming and she cannot be found on
the internet as she said her thesis link would lead you to her. It didn't. Who are you
Kandace? Reveal yourself. You claim to be on the up and up but it's not adding up.
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Alan Molineaux !
It interesting that NBW hasn't taken this stu"down or entered the conversation.
It almost feels like a set up.
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Guest !
This is 100% fodder for the next lawsuit. I guarantee it and I will go viral
that Nadia was complicit. See, the thing is....I am not afraid. I hold the
truth and that is what my defense is and will always be. He has tried and
failed defamation BS before. Bring it! My lawyer before he withdrew
counsel because I owe 20k said, "His lawyer Simon Troutman is teeing up
the next lawsuit for lost wages." NPD's are MONSTERS they will never
quit fighting to control the narrative. I will be here giving real time
accounts of each and every litigation. Two weeks ago Simon Troutman
and his client lost in court. They attempted to gag me and prevent mefrom ever posting my story. They brought in reams of blog posts from 3rd
parties like this as exhibits. He brought 6 witnesses including Jay Bakker.
In a paraphrased nutshell the Judge said, "Get out of my courtroom fool."
Simon said, "We withdraw our motion." If looks could kill....I was
murdered by the expression on my ex husbands face. Make no mistake
this is lawfare and he has deep pockets and a triple digit book advance to
attack me. Again, I hold the truth and I stand strong and confident in it.
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KT Pridgen !
Did she post a thesis link? I missed it. Do you know about what time she posted it so I
can search for it through this mess?
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Guest !
She said she was searchable and would link to her thesis...nope dead
end. I asked for her twitter, FB, grad school name...something to prove
she was real...crickets. She was sent her to do a job.
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KT Pridgen !
It's just like what Tony did with his statement. He provided information
that looked reliable to get people to believe it but that informationcouldn't be verified.
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Guest !
Her whole point was to try and connect dots and cast shadow that my
supporters were virtual. My friends and family are burnt out on this
disgusting story and I stopped talking about to them long ago. THEY all
know about the NPD and various abuses. I speak out now because it is
WRONG for "Christian leaders" to harbor an abuser.....even prop him upwhile refusing to acknowledge the carnage in his wake. ANYONE with a
brain knows that an NPD diagnosis is enough to stop them in their tracks
and believe my story. Then coupled with all of my evidence that was
provided to bloggers and reputable prestigious institutions and then they
acted and spoke out boldly in my support...this happened and is
happening now and in real time. I'll give you an example of an NPD in
action this morning. My son was upset. He wants to go to environmental
camp. I am strapped for pennies and $175 is not something I can
casually write a check for. My son was told by his dad that, "Your mom
has to pay for that." I emailed the teacher and explained that they need to
ask him as I know he recently got a VERY hefty book advance. I copied
him and he shot back, "I'll pay....I never said I wouldn't." Sadly, the only
way to co-parent with an NPD is publicly. They ONLY care about their
public persona. This is what I deal with on the daily. I have become and
expert on NPD and hope to help others co-parent e"ectively. The public
image is paramount to everything. I use that to try and get my children
what they need.
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Guest !
Kandace? Your "thorough" analysis is missing the part about a diagnosed narcissist with
sadistic traits and pathological lying. Two weeks ago when a judge literally said, "you can go
ahead and waste my time but you have no credibility in my courtroom and I suggest you
withdraw." Why? Because judges understand what an NPD is. Your analysis skims over that
lynch pin to understanding the entire story and why it looks this way 7 years later. You and BB
and Drea and Michael never want to discuss that part of the story, I wonder why that is?
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Guest !
I met ToJo last year at a conference. Within about an hour of meeting
him he made comments to me about wanting to 'murder his ex-wife' and
wishing he had never had children. I knew nothing of his personal life
at the time, but I remember being really weirded out by the intensity
with which he said these things. He did not sound 'jokey.' It was
disturbing.
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Guest !
I wonder why Kandace failed to mention a word about:
A"air
Abuse
"Bat shit crazy" campaign
"Your mother is a criminal" campaignCover up
Death threat
Legal threats
Litigious law fare of over $500,000 spent
You mostly wanted to cast smoke and mirrors on me personally with intimate details like my
address and mothers maiden name which were then put on the internet. Only my abuser knew
I was in Mexico last week. That's just sheer desperation!
Kandace !
Thank you to Julie supporters like Danica, KT, & Tim Wilson-Brown who transparently stated
they dont know Tony or Julie personally but repost her allegations bc they want to stand
against alleged abuse. A clarifier: Stu"Christian Culture Likes, Naked Pastor, The Wartburg
Watch, & WatchKeep are not based in MN and their operators have not publicly claimed to
have known Tony or Julie during their marriage or divorce, however their sites o"er religious
critique about
thousands of parties. They dont claim to do investigative research but ratherraise good questions to ask. Since Nadia hasnt felt comfortable participating, I have chosen at
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Curtis suggestion not to continue to ask questions of McLaren, Pagitt, Barnhill, Julia Doughty,
Stollar, Sargent, etc who post allegations or supportive statements. They have public profiles
that say whether they are local to MN anyways. And its been pointed out there are orgs, legal
parties, and reporters with more expertise than me to research this complex story.
Unfortunately, Nadia chose not to respond to questions, although its public shes known Tony
since approximately around 2007 and has spent time with him thru those yrs during manypublicly referenced projects, events, and a$liations. Based on their publicly known
interactions, it appears she knows Tony & his current wife well, but does not know Julie. Julie
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CurtisMSP !
That is not what I said, and nobody asked you to speak for those who have spoken for
themselves. Your attempt to re-frame what is already established, documented fact,
while ommitting the most relevant facts, is pathetic.
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Guest !
Kandace was self anointed and self appointed to be the final analysis. Beyond
bizarre on the part of Team NPD. Not a word of mention regarding the abuses or
the 22 page $4000 psychological evaluation which detailed the full ugly dirty
story. 800 comments later the truth remains. Abuses occur even today and yet
"leaders" like Nadia are not only mute but overtly supportive of an active
unrepentant abuser with a very serious diagnosis.
Kandace !
SUMMARY REQUESTED BY SOME HAVING TROUBLE WITH DISQUS: Some local
commenters raised questions about Julies parentss oil money, her senatorial candidate
brother in laws net worth, and her standard of living, which they suggested undermined
claims she had been driven into poverty. Most concurred these claims of wealth wereirrelevant to alleged abuse. MichaelOP, an event sponsor contacted by Tim Wilson-
Brown, shared the result of his orgs research which he claimed among other things
found Julie and Tony filed an equal amount of motions & Tony had never been charged
w/a crime or w/failure to pay child support while Julie did have a criminal charge.Julie
reminded Michael she has alleged police bias in that arrest due to Tonys former stint as
a chaplain He also noted that the courts felt Tony was safe enough that they awarded
him partial custody so he has the kids on weekends, which he claimed they wouldnt
have done if there was credible reason to believe Tony was an abuser. Julie admitted
going to a Mexico resort recently after people donated for her legal fees, butemphasized she traveled cheaply. Dee from TWW also clarified at least one donor had
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specified they wanted Julie to relax and do something for herself. The consensus
among everyone was that single moms deserve vacations. :) Julie also explained that
she leased one car and is trying to sell the second car she acquired for the nanny she
had last year but no longer employs due to financial di$culty.
There were concerns about anonymous commenters: both
concerns about their fear of posting in what they perceive to be a hostile climate andconcerns about whether some might have impure motives or unrevealed connections.
While some anonymous commenters identified themselves more freely over email,
George and Drea raised the most questions from users overall. BB was also questioned
for his tone, lack of tact, and for using what Tim pointed out was not a given name and
others called him a sockpuppet. It was brought up several times that there might be
fake commenters infiltrating the conversation
due to the number of new and/or private Disqus profiles being used. Others cautioned it
was unfair to try to dismiss those who disagree with you by claiming they must be all
fake and therefore not valid. A couple people also questioned my identity and asked meto provide personal information beyond what Id already shared and I declined to do so.
David Hayward briefly entered the conversation and clarified that he does not consider
himself a supporter of Julie, but a supporter of safe spaces. He encouraged others that
Julie should be able to identify however she wants. After saying this, David was asked
to comment on the profit he makes when he asks people to buy his artwork or
subscribe to his online church in his many posts about Julies allegations. He has not
yet responded to that.
Several people tried to guide the conversation away frominvestigating the people who post allegations often. Others were concerned this group
was then trying to silence question askers. Ultimately for most of this thread, those who
opposed investigating allegation-posters did a$rm the right of everyone
present to ask questions they felt were relevant. There were times of exception
especially when Julie and BB were arguing back and forth when people on both sides
tried to silence others as it admittedly grew less civil. Julie had identified she was from
Edina several times, but clarified she lived in a section of Edina near government
housing. Later she voiced concern that people might know where she lived and said she
would contact the police and the web host to have any information related to thisremoved. Julie and an unnamed Guest also posted a link to a claim on another site
where an anonymous person claimed
that just an hour after meeting Tony for the first time at an event last year, Tony allegedly
said he wanted to murder his ex-wife.
Julie identified herself at times as Guest and at times as Julie, but she explained her
logic for doing this was so the comments could not be used against her as she felt the
post could be part of an organized setup to gather information for a defamation suit. Id
like to thank Leslie Lea who calmly entered as the comments were heating up andasserted it was headed in the wrong direction. Julie voiced her appreciation
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for Leslie and shared about her faith and how her friend had a prophetic dream about
how Tony would drive their family into darkness which Julie believed has come true.
With this, I am signing o"and releasing myself from my original intentions at the advice
of others here. I wish you all joy and peace and healing.
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Ragnarok !
Assuming this is actually Tony speaking, it's a wonder to me that no one has
mentioned that in addition to content (such as comments and other published
matter) being legally discoverable, IP addresses are also discoverable. So if
someone wanted to try to submit or subpoena any of these comments for Tony's
side, Julie could merely stand up in court all on her own and request that IP
addresses be submitted as well. That way, the court can see exactly who sent
these comments and from where.
Anonymity online is a fiction when it comes to producing documents and the like
under court order. Just saying.
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Annie Banannie !
Oh wait, and now I have to down vote it for it's resurrection of the "Julie as
unstable" narrative. I know you didn't say so I'm so many words, but you
carefully curated you summarized points to make her look crazy.
So yeah, I'm assuming a$davit. A handy synopsis for whatever is coming next.
Another attempt to flip custody? Sue for damages? Lost wages? Who knows.
"Kandace", you are playing a game, likely for your lawyers' fee, with someone
else's actual life. Regardless of how successful you may be, you are a bad
person. You make te world a little uglier and a little less safe. You, yourself, cause
harm. You could choose to do di"erent with your skills and education, but you
don't. Maybe someday you will. Until then you are complicit in the abuse of
every victim of domestic violence, because you facilitate a culture that shames
and silences them. You. Are. Complicit. You know better, but you choose harm.
You. Are. Complicit.
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Annie Banannie !
I'm liking this for its epic arrogance and pomposity, spin and evasion. Is that your
summary or your a$davit?
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KT Pridgen !
Thanks, Tony. I mean, none of us needed this as we have followed the situation from the
beginning and are pretty much aware of everything you gathered in your "investigation"
here. *eye roll*
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Guest !
No one requested your summary.
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Kandace !
I do not intend to continue posting as it probably brings out unhealthiness in me to stay
in this dialogue too long, but it is okay to continue to email me. Im going to take a break
from this for a while, but will get to those in a few days.
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Guest !
I don't think anyone has emailed you. Why not post the emails?
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Kandace !
You are of course able to scroll down (for miles!) and read all of these comments
for yourself to see if you feel this was a fair re-telling and I encourage you to doso.
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Guest !
I met ToJo last year at a conference. Within about an hour of meeting
him he made comments to me about wanting to 'murder his ex-wife' and
wishing he had never had children. I knew nothing of his personal life
at the time, but I remember being really weirded out by the intensity
with which he said these things. He did not sound 'jokey.' It wasdisturbing.
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Leslie Lea !
Well, I can only do my part. I for one, am going to boycott all "Christian books". The Bible alone
is good enough for me. God speaks to me and The Holy Spitit guides me through The Word,
that is all I need.
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Guest !
The Holy Spirit absolutely led this going viral. It was time. David Hayward was used and
courageous enough to refuse to delete my story even though he received a plethora of legal
threats from my abuser and his enablers. They were stunned because for years their threats
kept my story quiet. Not this time. The Holy Spirit is having her say. I would like nothing morethan for some beauty to come from this ugliness. I am waiting for that. I know and have been
contacted by other abuse victims who have said my story gave them courage. I helped one
woman get her and her 5 kids to a shelter after she read my story so I would like beauty and
good fruit to come to bear.
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Guest !
Good night, Leslie. Thank you for putting the focus where it should have been but strayed. If
God were involved in this...it would not look like the mess it does. The mental illness is a majorpart of the problem too but the enablers refusing to stop him are also driving this. I hold the
truth and I will keep speaking.
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Leslie Lea !
Sweet dreams, Julie. Praying for Peace, truth and justice.and for God's name to be
glorified.
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Guest !
Thank you! I am a weary soldier but I need to remember whose child I am and
that the Holy Spirit will move if I remain faithful.
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Leslie Lea !
I suggest that we not be controlled , not be helpless and not be enablers. Let us commit to not
buying any Christian book by any author for six months, also commit to not going to any
Christian conference for six months. Even homeschooling conferences. Instead let us spendour time and money on doing what Jesus did. Visiting the homeless shelters, women's
shelters, jails, etc, etc. we may learn something and we may be blessed. Let us stop spending
money on foolishness written by people who are in it for the money. Let's stop being sheep.
Sorry about the preaching.
CurtisMSP !
Instead of six months, I say forever. Get together with some people in your
neighborhood and use the money you used to spend on celebrity Christian books to
support your local community instead. A much better investment that will bring huge
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dividends, instead of stroking someone's inflated ego.
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Guest !
That is really what it would take but sadly fragile egos love the hype and groupie brand
they have served up. It is a brand and they have consumers. Very reputable institutions
investigated my story. They interviewed me several times and read all my documents.Then they said, "No more." And dumped him. I have a great deal of respect for those
men and women who listened, prayed and then acted. I can't even get to first base the
listening part with Nadia or Rachel who claim to have done "due diligence" and claim to
be an advocate. FRAUDS.
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Guest !
I held tight to the dream that God would move the mountain and it would be good and peaceful
for my kids. I understand now that because of the diagnosis of narcissistic personality disorder
with sadistic traits that will never happen. I truly must pay for speaking the truth. I am the
narcissistic target and his life obsession is taking me down. I said it to him and I'll say it
here....he's got the wrong marine. I think God wired me with a little extra justice gene and I will
call out abuse wherever and when ever I see it and loudly. It is doubly toxic when it is from
alleged representatives of God.
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Guest !
That is my question...where is God in this? Every year at Easter time for my kids I send a letter.
An olive branch begging for peace and forgiveness. Begging for the litigation to stop. I used to
ask him to repent but that is out of the question. This year I didn't bother. He has surrounded
himself with enablers and he cannot hear God or anynone but himself speaking into a
microphone most likely to adoring fans. For my children I have this dream of peace and civility.
She is worse than he....she doesn't even know me and treats me like I am a leper and in front
of my children. It is the farthest thing from good or holy. It's evil.
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Leslie Lea !
Matthew7:23. Look it up. I feel like this blog is becoming like Geraldo. Where is Christ.? Is there
room for the Holy Spirit to work? I am disgusted. Where is provision for the widow and
orphans? Who is laying down their life for the brethren? If it is not about Christ it is worthless..
So you men and women of God, where is your heart and your soul. Geez, this stu"should be
Christianity 101 to all of you. Why aren't you getting it?
Guest !
I used to ask him repeatedly, "If this is of God then where is the fruit? There is nothing
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but rotten fruit in our marriage." He would just board the next plane and often to Dallas,
Texas where she lived.
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Living Liminal !
It is di$cult to get a man to understand something, when his salary [power, prestige,
reputation...] depends on his not understanding it.
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Guest !
It was the money and corruption that ruined him. My friend is prophetic. She had
a dream that his pursuits of Emergent "were a darkness and that it will harm you
and your family." Wiser words were never spoken. He told her in a rage, "Barb,
you have no idea what you are talking about!" Actually, she did. I tried to speak
truth into his life. I knew he was going down the wrong path. He would not listen.
No one was going to take him from the spotlight.
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Living Liminal !
So sad :(
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Guest !
my children bear the sin of their father. He refuses to repent and is stuck
in revenge mode. It will take a miracle to break this cycle. The enablers
could help like Doug Pagitt but they carry on and cash the checks.
Guest !
This is the best Progressive Christianity has to o"er. This...my outrage has and will always be
how dare you use the name of Christ. You don't get to literally throw people to the ground and
act like it never happened. I want Christian leaders who are held accountable for bad behavior.
This was on Naked Pastors blog today. YES a person who states a death threat is who you areenabling.
I have been following
this situation since last September, but have been very hesitant to
share one of the main reasons why I've believed Julie since she first
posted on NP's story last September. I have friends and colleagues who
support ToJo. I don't know what the consequences will be if this gets
traced back to me, but here goes: I met ToJo last year at a conference.
Within about an hour of meeting him he made comments to me about wanting
to 'murder his ex-wife' and wishing he had never had children. I knew
nothing of his personal life at the time, but I remember being really
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weirded out by the intensity with which he said these things. He did not
sound 'jokey.' It was disturbing. I handed my hosting responsibilities
over to other conference volunteers after that and kept my distance from
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No_6 !
O_O
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Annie Banannie !
Every time I want to take a Michael type seriously, there's a Kandace type, or even worse a BB
type, who goes largely unchallenged by the entire tony supporting contingent.
Really no one supporting Julie has acted that threatening or nasty, none of us have even beenparticularly sneaky other than not always using our real names. Sccl is what it has always been:
raucously, raunchily, critical of those who harm in Jesus name. Julie is as she has always been,
passionate, over sharing, fairly consistent.
Kandace is trying to whip up something where there is nothing. BB is outright threatening. But
yep, some detail quibbles are where this story is at, certainly not 5-10 fake accounts oozing out
of the woodwork to slam, harass, and doxx Julie.
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Leslie Lea !
This is REALLY grievous to the Christian Community. Those who are bullies need to stop
SINNING. If you are really Christians , you should get it. Christian leaders should stop this.
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Guest !
Leslie, 7 years ago I went to the Christian leaders for help. The a"air, abuse, "crazy
campaign" all of it. NOT ONE would help me. They shunned and silenced me. This
display by BigBrowner and a slightly more subtle Kandace is what I have endured since2008. Why? MONEY! Book deals, minor xian celebrity status. They all endorse each
other books and go to the same events. It is the antithesis of Christ-like and yet it goes
unchecked. A diagnosed NPD is controlling the narrative however I refuse to shut up
and will keep speaking the truth forever.
Guest !
There are the private emails and messages that I get but they know that if they speak out
publicly they'll never work in this town again so to speak. Very incestuous. And, like theanonymous person on David Haywards bog today who said he listened as my abuser as he
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said he wished I was murdered. To his followers at a conference! YEP! This is the best
progressive Christianity can serve up? No thanks.
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Danica !
WHat I also cannot believe is how Rachel Held Evans, Peter Rollins, Jay Bakker, et al, could
watch this go down and not be backing away slowly saying, "Yeah, never mind, we TOTALLYbelieve you now, Julie."
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Guest !
They are all interdependent on book deals, events and have the same publishers! I must
be wiped out to save the empire.
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Danica !
I cannot believe a pastor would let something like this go down on her blog. This is
shepherding the sheep? This is leading them to green pastures so their souls can be
restored??
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Guest !
Nadia is in on it. This thread is the nest exhibit for the next lawsuit. And when it is I will
speak out on that. This is what an NPD does....beats you down. Ironically, it has had the
reverse e"ect and made me stronger with every failed legal attack. The truth sets me
free.
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Guest !
I have ZERO respect for Nadia. She is a cult of personality. Schtick and fame and when
an abuse victim is in her face saying, "Please, help." She hangs up!
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Danica !
Julie I'm sending you an email. :)
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Guest !
she is allowing it because she is in on it. this will be exhibit A in the next
failed defamation run. Watch....and I will report it back and make sure it
goes viral.
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Leslie Lea !
I think everyone who presumes to write Christian books should go on a self imposed 6 month
moratorium and get well with their soul. Bring Christ back into the convo. If there us never another book
written or never another conference, so be it, let's change the game plan here and make it about loving
God and loving each other.
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Guest !
The celebrity fame ruined my ex husband. Ruined him! He was Godly at one time....he
lost it and sold his soul. I called him out and that is why I have been his narcissistic
target ever since.
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Guest !
I'm fairly convinced BB and Kandace are the same they both tried to slam SCCL and they both
spoke of conspiracy and one logs o"and then they other magically appears. I am further
confident as my lawyer told me that Simon Troutman his lawyer is trying to build a case for
"lost wages" thus Kandace's over the top obvious questions about that issue. This runs deep
and wide and tragically an NPD will NEVER give up. Oh, no he will fight this until there is
nothing but scorched earth. I did call the police and will make a report tomorrow bringing in my
laptop. Using my personal information and my 80 year old widowed mothers maiden
name...that's low even for an NPD and his enablers. My address? Seriously, you people are
pond scum as my dearly departed father coined his ex son in law.
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Guest !
Where is angry Drea? She was fun.
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Guest !
Sadly, this is progressive Christianity's finest at work interacting with a survivor of variousabuses. THIS is the best they've got.
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Danica !
Waiting for another of Tony's ghost profiles to post in 3 ... 2 ...
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Leslie Lea !
Stinks, BB
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Leslie Lea !
Hey, I am just a humble tax accountant who is grouchy at the end it tax season. I have also
been a Christian for a long time and have the gift of discernment. And what I discern here
stinjsm BB
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Guest !
What lie? It's one small question BB but you can't seem to answer it.
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Leslie Lea !
BB, what is your skin in this game? You certainly aren't acting very respectful. Or Chrustlike.
How does this profit you?
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Guest !
THIS is what I came up against for 7 years. This treatment that is so unGodly it is
unfathomable. Nadia our "host" hung up on me and Rachel blocked me. THIS is who
these people are. It is disgusting and they truly are frauds.
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BigBrowner !
Danica, someone called you out earlier as an SCCL groupie. Check the connections. Read the
thread. There's stu"to be found here. That's it. I'm out.
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Guest !
Out? Why? I'm wondering what you think is a lie? Calling me a liar I take VERY serious.
What exactly do you claim I lied about? Go....I'm waiting. I asked you that many times
and yet you won't ask the simple question. What did I lie about BigBrowner?
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Danica !
YOU called me out as an SCCL groupie, Tony, under one of the many ghost accounts
you've created for yourself here. And I'm proud to hang out at SCCL - it's Where All The
Women Are At, after all. (tm)
Danica !
Hey Tony, I mean BigBrowner --- check out what someone is saying about you. It's not
flattering. I hope Courtney and any kids in the house are safe right now, because you seem to
be spiraling into a narcissistic rage.
http://www.nakedpastor.com/201...
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Guest !
Stephanie Drury has more guts than any of these fake advocates. She is what I want in
a Christian leader. A person with the courage to say, "NO MORE." David Hayward too.
These fake leaders only interested in preserving the next speaking engagement are a
terrible disappointment.
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Guest !
I REALLY think it is him too. He did this when married. NPD would absolutely do this
and the smoke and mirror and refusal to address fact and abuse is a dead ringer.
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Guest !
This clown knows where I live. Because my abuser and Nadia have allowed this. THESE are theGodly people leading the progressive church.
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BigBrowner !
Again, what are you talking about? I have no idea where you live. You are the one who
mentioned the Edina police in like two dozen comments as anyone who can scroll down
adn screencap right now can see. You're the one who just said you live by section 8
houseing. Those are the only clues anyone has. But again, you wouldn't comment much
here because you think this website is part of the conspiracy. But you don't, do you?
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Leslie Lea !
BB , you are getting abusive
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BigBrowner !
But it's not abusive to destroy lives with false allegations and then try to scare people
away from asking questions? Maybe these people should have done their homework
before they started talking up these allegations everywhere to get more clicks to their
sites or sell more or their artwork. Where were you then?
Caryn LeMur !
Big Browner: allegations, by definition, are neither true nor false.
A person hosting a website is not responsible for the postings of others in US
Law. [They are, of course, responsible for their own comments.]
The key questions become these:
1. Is both the accused and accuser allowed to post?
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2. Are people allowed to use their names and online names with equality? Or, do
we force some to use their real names, and not all? Or, do we block 'guest'
names for some, but not all?
3. We can moderate for coarse language, but again, need to carefully ensure no
prejudice in our moderating.
As a result, most moderators will allow all to post, erase nothing, and allow all
guest accounts. Moderators are free to enter the conversation at any time.I would encourage you to do your homework on the Digital Law website.
Sincerely; Caryn
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Alan Molineaux !
Shame on you for the suggestion. You have no idea of the good done by David
to people who have su"ered abuse from powerful people.
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nakedpastor !
Seriously? That's all you have on me is that as an artist I provide it for people to
purchase and acquire? My blog nakedpastor makes NO money. I've made sure
of that. But I'm allowed to sell my art. So... BigBrowner... here's a sincere
gesture... pick out ANY print you want from my shop and I will ship it to you
entirely for free. As a gift. Just to help you perhaps see that I'm not in this for the
money. Take your pick.
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Guest !
They did their homework and that is why legal threats to delete your blog or else
do not work anymore. They did for years but NO MORE. I will talk freely and
truthfully until my last breath.
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Leslie Lea !
WTF?
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Danica !
Someone has hurt feels about the naked pastor
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Leslie Lea !
Rotfl
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Guest !
They did! And after reading all of my documents they support me. Unlike Team NPD that
has a 1/4 of select cherry picked court docs from one court. The 3/4 tells the story. You
can choose to align with an abuser. Others who actually DID do due diligence like large
prestigious institutions did and then they made the choice to dump him.
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Guest !
What allegation is false? I KEEP asking you that one simple question.
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BigBrowner !
If all this gets taken down by Patheos, I suggest that you screencap everything and send it to
reporters now. This story is blown open.
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KT Pridgen !
Oh, FFS.
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Leslie Lea !
I meant BB
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Leslie Lea !
This whole blog is getting crazy. Bob, you sound like a big bully.
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BigBrowner !
Sometimes it's time for someone to stand up to the lies.
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Leslie Lea !
So who are you really?
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Guest !
AGAIN what lie? I have answered every single thing. AGAIN what lie? ANSWER.
You seem to never answer.
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Guest !
I called the police and reported Nadia Bolz Weber and Big Browner and obviously my abuser for
providing my personal information like my make and model of my vehicle and where I lease it....OMG!
You people sicken me! Exploiting my personal information like my HOME on the internet. My abuser
CLEARLY gave you this information which speaks volumes to the depths of desperation he will go to
smoke and mirrors the ugly truth of his diagnosis, sadistic traits, a"air, abuse and cover up. BB? Why
don't you want to chat word one about those important issues?! Instead you want to recycle yesterdays
smear campaign and attempt to discredit the victim. I didn't know I was on trial? I'll be here all night.
Next?
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BigBrowner !
I am sure the police know your number by now. I bet they'll be right over to arrest
people based on your credible as always allegations.
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Guest !
I'm sorry what? What allegation of my abuse is false? I think I have asked you
that very simple question 7 times. What is false BigBrowner?
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BigBrowner !
All Julie's supporters have been saying this whole time that Nadia was going to delete
comments, but look who is actually going to contact Patheos according to her comment. It's
Julie. Another hole. "Look they're silencing us! Quick, call Patheos and ask them to take down
the information about Julie being related to a Senator with a networth in the tens of millions or
being from an oil famiy or living in a ritzy neighborhood or going on vacations while asking
people to donate to her legal costs or filing motions when she was saying it was Tony filing
motions. Give me a break.
Guest !
I never said Nadia would delete. I am confident my abuser and Nadia are right here
active and in real time. AGAIN and I hate to say this BB but either you are stupid or
refusing to listen! This reminds me EXACTLY of my abuser. Here we go again for a 4th or
5th time. As I refuted and shot down your lies yesterday I will again and every day you
post it. Where is Kandace? she logged out and you logged in...okay...got it.
1. My brother in law is not the senator. Al Franken is. AGAIN how does that make my
story NOT true? AGAIN your logic....is illogical.
2. Tens of millions? WTF? Now you are just throwing out numbers. You have no idea
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what you are talking about.
3. Ritzy neighborhood? I live adjacent to a highway and section 8 housing my my
backyard. My abuser told my kids, "Its ghetto."
4. People helped me file a motion to get my son who was unlawfully taken January 19. I
had to drop it because I owe 20k
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Guest !
Nadia is in on it dummy!
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Guest !
I am calling the Edina police right now. My abuser has provided BB with my address and
personal information about my mother and brother in law. THIS is what Nadia Bolz Weber is
hosting and not saying a word. I am also contacting Patheos. You people are scary!!
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BigBrowner !
I hope the police read the entire thread to see who they're dealing with to. That might be
exactly what this case needs.
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Guest !
I'll repeat.....BB? Do you think it is okay to abuse women?
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BigBrowner !
I think it's okay to call out women when they lie. No one can tell if you were abused
because we have to sort through the dozen lies and that's just what has come out in the
last 24 hours to figure out if any part of your conspiracy theory could possibly still be
true after you take away all the things you said that aren't true.
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Guest !
What lie? Name it now.
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Guest !
Are you afraid? But you have that big scary bull dog avatar? I will answer and I have each and
every question. however, I am answering and then you ask the same question. It's taxing but I
will be patient.
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BigBrowner !
SPINDLETOP 2. The Phelan family oil well. Go on Zillow like that one guy said and check out
Edina. Look it up, people.
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Guest !
Yes, my great grandfather sold his grocery store and put in money for an oil drill.
It hit oil. How does that make me NOT living below the poverty line?
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Guest !
I already several times actual went through this with you and Michael
yesterday but I will go slower for you.....I love in a home owned by my
mother. again HOW does that NOT make my story true and accurate withall corroborating evidence? ANSWER....let me guess.....you won't. PLUS
how SICK my abuser supplied you my address I am calling the cops on
that. No, seriously I am right now.
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BigBrowner !
The part I loved the best is when you said you went to MEXICO recently
after asking all these people to donate for you but you justified it by
saying it was only a 3 STAR RESORT and you bought airline tickets froma cheap airline. SOUNDS LIKE POVERTY TO ME.
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Guest !
People on poverty vacation idiot. AGAIN how did my truth NOT happen
because I went to Mexico? Your logic is really lame.
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Guest !
I didn't justify shit. It was a dumpy 3 star resort because that is what I
could a"ord. My friend gave me a week. ONLY my abuser knew I went to
Mexico so you are either HIM or in his pocket.
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Guest !
I never asked one human to donate one dime. Dee Parsons commented
yesterday IDIOT how happy she was and that the main donor hoped I
could get a vacation. NEXT?
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BigBrowner !
EVERYONE READ YOU COMING ON TWITTER OVER AND OVER AND
SAYING YOU COULDNT AFFORD A LAWYER AND SHARING THE LINK.
MORE THAN ONCE. WE HEARD YOU SAY YOU WERE IN POVERTY.
TONY DROVE YOU THERE. OR WAS THAT GUEST OR JMAC WHO SAID
THAT?
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Ragnarok !
The more you rant, the more convinced I am that you are actually Tony. At
first, I just assumed you were an asshole. Now, I'm pretty sure you're the
asshole in question.
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Guest !
BB? What do you think I lied about? I have a rich relative so I was not abused? Is that yourlogic?
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BigBrowner !
"I'll pretend anyone who says anything against me is part of the abuse so people are afriad to
say anything." said Julie or Jmac6301 or Guest.
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Guest !
It is guest....do I need to explain that for a 4th time? really?
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Guest !
where is Kandace? Drea? Or do you need to log out first?
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Guest !
BB? Do you think it is okay to abuse women?
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BigBrowner !
I would ask you if you think it's okay to make false allegations and run around trying to
scare people who ask questions about it, but I think we know that's perfectly okay with
you. ANYONE READING, read all the comments. Anyone who comes on here this many
times trying to get other people to stop asking questions is hiding something and once
you start reading, you'll see exactly what it is.
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BigBrowner !
READ THE COMMENT THREAD and judge for yourself. Don't let Julie scare you away with her
dozens of comments and fear tactics. Use your own judgment. No sane person is going to
read everything that has come out here and all the holes that have been exposed and Julie's
change of identity every fifteen minutes and her conspiracy theories and think "That sounds
completely true." YOU ARE DOING YOURSELF NO FAVORS and EVERYONE knows it.
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AnnieOly !
As someone who has read about this story in passing on TWW and Naked Pastor, and
thinks RHE and NBW have had and still have valuable things to say, and as someone
who has never commented on this subject and doesn't claim to know 'the answer' after
reading through much of this thread I am willing to say this: you, 'BB', come across like
one arrogant, classless, nasty SOB. You are not doing your side any favors whatsoever.
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KT Pridgen !
I agree. Time to switch back to Kandace, Tony. BigBrowner isn't winning you any
points.
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BigBrowner !
I can't figure out if you people really believe Julie, if you are Julie, or if you
have just been HAD that bad. I hope to GOD for your sake that you
actually started looking into some of the holes blown into these
allegations.
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Danica !
Don't you dare use God's name in this Tony. You've already blasphemed
Him so many times.
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Guest !
you just called yourself insane.
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Guest !
Fear tactics? I am asking to engage you directly. O"line if your wish. Change my
identity? no. just switched it to guest. Go on? What else?
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BigBrowner !
If you really thought there was some big conspiracy and people were collecting this, you
would know that people would be screencapping your every move. You DONT really
think that. You're using that to scare people away from questioning you. You are full of
it.
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Guest !
Actually, BB. My abuser uses every word. He shows up in court as
recently as two weeks ago with reams of paper crying slander,
defamation, sue her! so, fact....not conspiracy. He lost BTW. In fact the
Judge said, "no credibility."
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Guest !
I wonder why BB won't engage me in dialogue. He does his drive by lies and I refite each and
every one and then he runs away. BB? Let's chat. See, the thing about the truth is...it hel