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Tim Wilson-Brown !

Despite the warnings and the apology, this outcome is convenient for those in power inEmergent, and completely in line with Tony Jones' previous and continuing actions to silence

any conversations about this alleged abuse. You really should be more careful to avoid actions

that would clearly be viewed incredibly skeptically by a large number of commenters.

I notice you also disabled comments enitrely on your apology, which is also convenient. After

using a post with almost a thousand comments as a trial run, did you do the same thing, or try

something di"erent?

Matthew, if you doubt your technical competence, don't take your first action in public, on a

highly controversial and visible blog, a"ecting almost a thousand comments. This should be

embarrasing for you, and whoever granted you admin access, and Nadia.

Try a private test environment, or, if Patheos doesn't provide that, an ancient post with few

comments. "Test on an inconspicuous spot first", as they say.

Secondly, if you modify a post or its comments, please edit the post to acknowledge that. It's

basic Internet etiquette. Otherwise, Patheos tech support will get complaints that comments on

their site aren't working, from those who come straight to the post.

This could mean editing the "Do you have questions" post to document the disabling of local

comments, and their new location on disqus. It also would help to put

a note at the bottom of your apology to note that comments are disabled there as well.

Given your lack of experience, you may want to make sure that Nadia's next post actually has

active comments - unless, of course, you intend comments to be o"for future posts.

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Jmac6301 !

I will ask again...what format would you like all 881 comments in? I will send after class around

10 pm central so they can be back up by 10:30PM. I know you would NEVER delete

comments. It's okay. We can get them right back up. Thank you for not being like the enabling

abusers who covered up his abuse for the past 7 years primarily by deleting threads such as

this.

Jmac6301 !

Where are my comments? Your wife has my email. Why is she hiding? Further, why is a smartwoman going down for an abusive NPD?

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hikerrev !

@ Jmac6301 ~ I just sent you a FB message. It may end up in your 'other' folder, which is why I

make note of it here.

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Jmac6301 !

He tees it up by saying, "I might accidentally delete" WHAT FRAUDS!!!

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Jmac6301 !

Nadia's Lutheran Bishop told her to not speak to a woman who was physically, emotionally,

and litigiously abused?

She was told instead to endorse shamelessly the abuser and ignore the woman? Even hang upon her when she called her by phone out of desperation having been silenced and shunned by

all of the middle aged white males in and around Emergent epicenter.....she asked her for help

and she said, "I will not engage in gossip."

You are saying that Nadia was advised by her Lutheran Bishop to...

"In response to the advice given to her by

her Bishop, her Spiritual Director, and her husband (me), Nadia makes it

a policy to not read any comments on her blog or on her Facebook page."

Was she clairvoyant when she attacked commenters calling them people with "digital

pitchforks." She won't comment but she will publicly post a support letter of an abuser who

threatens at progressive "Christian" conferences to attendees how he would like to have his ex

wife murdered. THAT the Bishop of the Lutheran Church in Denver, Colorado supports? I don't

think so.

Doubt it. Bishop? Bishop of the Lutheran church in Denver, Colorado for the House of All

Saints and Sinners, are you REALLY supporting this sham and advised Nadia to remain silent

about an abuser when the evidence is overwhelming?

Jmac6301 !

From an anonymous source.....

I have been following this situation since last September, but have been

very hesitant to share one of the main reasons why I've believed Julie

since she first posted on NP's story last September. I have friends and

colleagues who support ToJo. I don't know what the consequences will beif this gets traced back to me, but here goes: I met ToJo last year at a


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conference. Within about an hour of meeting him he made comments to me

about wanting to 'murder his ex-wife' and wishing he had never had

children. I knew nothing of his personal life at the time, but I

remember being really weirded out by the intensity with which he said

these things. He did not sound 'jokey.' It was disturbing. I handed my

hosting responsibilities over to other conference volunteers after that

and kept my distance from him. Even so, I had held out the possibilitythat I might pursue a partnership with JoPa on a future conference, but

realized in January, when ToJo began his retaliation against Julie, that

I could not, in good conscience do so. I reached out to Julie privately

two months ago to let her know and to o"er my prayers and support. One

side note: I have also been asked to provide major financial support to

a local NBW appearance in 2016. I intend to speak to the organizers of

that event about withdrawing my pledge and to tell them why. Sorry for

attempting to be anonymous about this, I hope you all understand.

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Jmac6301 !

She never reads her comments....BS. That's why she attacked commenters calling them

people with "digital pitchforks." And, what is this weird behavior of Rachel and Nadia having

their husbands swoop in to save them. Dear Lord, you just set the woman's movement back to

1950. Nadia's a big girl she can speak up for herself and she has some serious explaining to do

as to why she supports and in an over the top manner an abuser?! She is supportive of a man

who threatened to have his ex wife murdered? Yes, that happened and at a "Christian

conference."

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CurtisMSP !

So when people reach out to Nadia for help on social media, she ignores them? This is on the

advice of her Bishop?

Isn't it dishonest to not tell people this before they start reaching out, with the assumption that

Nadia is reading?

The honest thing to do would to turn o"comments on the blog and on Facebook, rather

continue with the deception that Nadia is reading them. Maybe you can ask what the Bishop's

advice about deception is and get back to us?

hikerrev !

I recently received notice that the comments here, in response to this note Nadia has written

about a new book, have gotten quite numerous and by some accounts somewhat aggressive.

Further, (having briefly glanced at only a handful of comments, I see that) there are some falseassumptions being made here as well as some inappropriate ad hominem attacks.


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I will, therefore, be disabling comments for this post.

Please know that Nadia has not read any of these comments and does not know what's been

said here. In response to the advice given to her by her Bishop, her Spiritual Director, and her

husband (me), Nadia makes it a policy to not read any comments on her blog or on her

Facebook page.

However, the comments are occasionally reviewed (but not shared with her) by people who

love her, and in this case I have made the decision that there has been enough opportunity for

folks to weigh in. None of the comments, thus far, have been deleted by me or by Nadia. If any

have been deleted, that has been done by someone other than this household and

unbeknownst to me. Further, it is not my intention to delete any of the comments posted here

... however, as this is my first time administering a Patheos blog, if I accidentally do so, please

forgive me.

Peace be with you.

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hikerrev !

Great idea, KT. The link to this thread is now posted on the apology post on Nadia's

blog.

And thanks for your reflections, Caryn. I honestly don't know when the general practice

of not reading or responding to comments started, but thank you for pointing out the

truth that many people expect that the poster is also paying attention to the comments.

I'll talk with Nadia about whether or not it makes sense to put some kind if disclaimer in

the blog intro.

Nadia is the Pastor of House for All Sinners and Saints, which is part of the Rocky

Mountain Synod of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America. I feel uncomfortable

putting contact info here, but I'm sure you can track that down.

As to the remainder of the conversation posted since the comments were taken down,

I'd like to share that Julie and I have had a conversation with one another on another

platform, and I thank sincerely thank her for that.

Further, please note that I won't be taking the time to track this conversation very

closely over the coming days, so I ask that you not take o"ense if I don't respond to this

conversation.

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KT Pridgen !

Thank you for posting the link, Matthew!


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Living Liminal !

It's good to see a link to the accidentally lost comments has been added. Is there any

reason it wasn't put up on the post that people were actually commenting on?

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Caryn LeMur !

Hi Hikerrev:

You wrote on Nadia's Blog: "In response to the advice given to her by her Bishop, her

Spiritual Director, and her husband (me), Nadia makes it a policy to not read any

comments on her blog or on her Facebook page."

1. When did this policy start? At what date did Nadia continue posting, but determined

to never read a comment?

2. Whom is her Lutheran Bishop that gave such advice? May I have a name and

address to write to him/her? [I believe that such advice, which is "OK to proclaim; but

not OK to engage", is counter to the gospel of Christ. So, while I may applaud the

obedience of Nadia to her Bishop, I also wish to write to him/her and appeal his/her

guidance to Nadia.]

3. Please ensure that you also post in the Section above all future comments, "In

response to the advice given to her by her Bishop, her Spiritual Director, and her

husband (me), Nadia makes it a policy to not read any comments on her blog or on herFacebook page." You should do this so that people like me, that posted questions to

Nadia, will realize that she will never read the question (and of course, then never

respond). In this manner, you will at least remove the appearance of deception (after all,

blogs on Patheos are for dialog with the author, rather than just for simple

proclamations by the author).

Sincerely; Caryn LeMur

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KT Pridgen !

Hey, I'm hoping you see an alert from this reply. I saw your apology post about deleting

the comments. The comments are all still available through Disqus. I think it'd be great

for transparency to include a link. Since deleting them was an accident, you can

essentially restore them by just posting the link that leads directly the the Disqus

conversation: https://disqus.com/home/discus...

Caryn LeMur !

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ONE REBUTTAL TO SUMMARY REQUESTED BY SOME HAVING TROUBLE

WITH DISQUS [posted by "Kandace"]:

I am not a lawyer.

I assume that Kandace is not a lawyer.

However, after researching the Digital Law Project, I am especially concerned that Kandace didnot mention that Tony Jones is certainly a Limited Purpose Public Figure.

http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guid...

A Limited Purpose Public Figure is someone that has thrust themselves to the forefront of

particular controversies in order to influence the resolution of

the issues involved."

What has been discussed in these postings (on Nadias blog) are opinions. The subjects

discussed in these postings has been greatly encouraged by Tony Jones.

Please consider just the following (there is more):

Multiple times on his world-wide Internet Patheos Blog, Tony Jones thrust himself to the

forefront of discussions concerning marriage, sacramental marriage, legal marriage, his own

decision to obtain a sacramental marriage (and 2 years later obtain a legal marriage). Tony

Jones also made public the di$culty of

his extrication (release from) his first marriage. [See especially his posts beginning 04 January

2010.]

Caryn LeMur !

Post 2 of 3:

Tony Jones also published a small book There Are Two

Marriages and made it available onAmazon.comfor world-wide purchase, wherein he

extolled the possible non-bible-based virtues of obtaining two marriages in sequential

order with great time between each marriage (the first having no legal binding; the

second being perhaps 2 years later, and then conferring full Fed and State benefitsto the spouses).

Thus, Tony Jones has thrust himself to the forefront of discussions concerning marriage,

theology, church-sanctioned premarital sex, and pragmatic denial of Biblical scriptures

[see especially First Timothy 5:8].

A few times on the NakedPastor blog of 05 September 2014, Tony Jones thrust himself

to the forefront of discussions concerning spiritual abuse (one of the issues in the

original NP post), and the conduct of Mars Hill pastor Mark Driscoll. Tony Jones first

wife also responded on the same blog concerning mental and marriage abuse.

On 16 September 2014, and in the above blog, Tony Jones stated, all

the court records in our divorce and subsequent legal activity are public.


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Anyone who really cared to know the truth would not have much trouble finding the

entire story. I have nothing to hide, as those records paint a clear picture. Thus both

Tony and his first wife arguably became limited purpose public figures in this area of

abuse (mental and spiritual), as well as concerning their own previous marriage.

Please note that Tonys statement " I have nothing to hide" if it only pertained to public

court records (already not hidden), would be nonsensical. Their private divorce thus

arguably became public fodder for public debate and opinions.

Caryn LeMur !

Post 3 of 3:

However, the most significant example by Tony Jones

showing his desire to thrust himself to the forefront of particular

controversies is this:

On/about 27 January 2015, and by publishing a 12 page document on theWorld-wide Internet, Tony Jones again thrust himself into the controversies

swirling about his first

marriage, to include the following areas in particular:

(1) the status of his (and his first wife's) child custody;

(2) whom initiated the divorce;

(3) Tonys relationship with Courtney Perry (his second wife) prior to September

2008;

(4) Tonys relationship with Courtney Perry prior to divorce

proceedings (which proceedings resulted in divorce from his first wife);(5) the allegation that Tony physically damaged his first wifes shoulder;

(6) spousal abuse (in particular; later, in general);

(7) alleged false reports by his first wife to law enforcement and child protection

services;

(8) Tonys payment of child support;

(9) one particular arrest incident that involved his first wife;

(10) one incident wherein Tony filed for temporary custody, which was denied by

the court;

(11) Tonys diagnosis of Narcissistic Personality Disorder

(NPD) and a (unstated) diagnosis given to his first wife; and

(12) that Tony Jones never had an a"air and never used the phrase spiritual

wife [quick note, Tony uses the phrase sacramental wife];

and closes with Tonys legal and media contacts.

Dr. Tony Jones thus clearly confirmed his intense desire to keep himself as a

limited purpose public figure for the purposes of allowing the world-wide public

to comment on his personal life, his theology, his marriage philosophy, and the

many controversies and allegations concerning his first marriage to Julie

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Again, Kandice did not mention how Tony Jones has undeniably sought to be a

very large limited purpose public figure. I am

impressed at the bravery of Dr. Tony Jones, and the amount of opinions and

debate Tony Jones has deliberately invited by virtue of his own actions.


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Gretchen !

As I read the comments I am struck by two things: 1) the talk of various individuals in ministry

having narcissistic traits or full NPD, and 2) the number of times posts contain the words "the

problem is..."

I realize I'm about to engage in a manor incongruent with the rest of the discussion, but this is

driving me NUTS and I need to say it somewhere...

In my opinion, THE PROBLEM isn't a narcissistic/abusive minister here and there (though thatis indeed a problem), but rather that Christianity itself--or at least American Christianity--

fosters, produces and maintains narcissism in its members. Worse yet, narcissism has become

so woven into the fabric of Christian culture, particularly with respect to leadership, we are

drawn to and expect our leaders to demonstrate narcissism. Unfortunately, individuals with

NPD have a number of attractive qualities we tend to want in our leaders. As a community,

somehow we need to find a way to know/ remember that charming, engaging, provocative,

"edgy", sarcastic or otherwise dramatic

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Gretchen !

(Sorry, discus froze on me--picking up where I left o"...) are both qualities that lend

themselves to performance art, but can ALSO be huge red flags for NPD.

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Gretchen !

I suspect we are more vulnerable to the charms of the narcissistic minister these

days, as so much of our culture has become entertainment oriented. Not trying

to be a curmudgeon here, I just think it's a real issue.

Annie Banannie !

Jmac- I love how you wear your heart on your sleeve. Of course NBW is in on it. "Hosting" this

comment thread as a sort of bizarro world answer to the NP thread. Too bad there aren't

enough tony supporters to make it look legit, because all those fake accounts are pretty

laughable.

You know it's not quite working how they want when they start deleting your comments andlimiting how you are able to post. I'm hoping all the best for your next outcomes. May there be


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more laughing at ToJo in the immediate future.

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KT Pridgen !

Julie has reported that she can no longer comment on NBW's blog. She believes she has been

blocked. Just FYI for y'all.

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CurtisMSP !

Let the censoring begin. Kandace said it was coming. It will be interesting to see what

story they are able to craft out of the mountain of discussion here.

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Jmac6301 !

I was just able to with my name but not as guest. only an admin can change that. they

need my name for it to be an exhibit like 2 weeks ago in court when he lost. this ain't my

first NPD rodeo....we are in double digits. I know and have seen it all before. gotta go to

my unpaid internship and then grad school. I'll be back much later to see the spin work!

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Caryn LeMur !

Posted by Anne Lamont in another thread elsewhere, but very appropriate here:

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7. Publication and temporary creative successes are something you have to recover from. They

kill as many people as not. They will hurt, damage and change you in ways you cannot

imagine. The most degraded and sometimes nearly-evil men I have known were all writers

who'd had bestsellers. Yet, it is also a miracle to get your work published ... . Just try to bust

yourself gently of the fantasy that publication will heal you, will fill the Swiss cheesey holes. It

won't, it can't. But writing can. So can singing.

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Jmac6301 !

My last 5 comments regarding this thread being the next exhibit in lawyer Simon Troutmans

next run at defamation were deleted. Nadia is in on this. When I receive the next Motion I will

speak out in detail. I hold the truth and that will always be my winning defense. The fact the

Judge told him to withdraw and not waste his time will not deter an NPD...they just work

another angle. I have survived the crazy campaign, the your mother is a criminal campaign, the

she has defamed me with false allegations claim. What's next? It seems to be some sort of

hybrid of she can't be telling the truth because she has rich relatives campaign? Creative forsure....but the truth remains. My child has been used to try and silence me from telling my


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story. There is no depth to which a narcissist will go to destroy their target and yes they will

even stoop so low as to use the children.

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Caryn LeMur !

Hopefully not!

Nadia: if you did delete those particular comments, please explain why?

I was hoping you would not go the way of Rachel Held Evans, now famous for her

'hiding' comments on her FaceBook Page. Yes, she used her husband to do the dirty

work (or, her husband asserted his authority over her ministry... we do not know).... but

the message to others was "Your voice does not matter to me."

"Open rebuke is better than hidden love." If you disagree with the postings concerning

X subject, then use the tool of 'open rebuke'. Please do not disgrace our Lord Jesus by

hiding comments.

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Alan Molineaux !

Getting the impression that this is not the same kind of safe safe space that David created on

his site.

1) Whereas David put a lot of e"ort into facilitating the conversation, Nadia seems to have

jumped ship.

2) The nature of disqus means that people can create accounts for the purpose of causing

trouble and baiting. They don't even seem willing to give details to someone they consider

safe.

3) It feels as if Julie has been left a little exposed by some of the comments. I think she

deserves more.

Julie - I hope you know that there are people who care about how this goes.

Caryn LeMur !

Nadia and Tony:

In my mind, the death of Jesus opened the gateway to having a new heart within us. A heart

that was (by analogy) changed from being a 'stone' and 'non-living', to being 'alive' and

therefore 'trainable'.

I would be interested in reading how the Cross of Christ personally and pragmatically a"ected

each of you.

For example: I became a Christian by some sort of personal encounter with Jesus at the end of


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8th grade, in 1970. It was an amazing moment.

I changed slowly over the years. Being from a military family, I knew of loyalty, rank,

followership, and discipline.

But it was from Christians (my wife, Bonnie and a Christian school teacher) that I began to learn

of gentleness, kindness, and being patient with others. I learned forgiveness, how to releasepeople into the loving hands of Jesus, and move on with my life.

Your turns?


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Guest !

Caryn, that was how I knew this was of ego and man and had absolutely nothing to do

with God. I kept asking, "Where is the fruit?" I am not seeing it! This is about big

business and not about any personal relationships with the Lord. There is no spiritual

growth. You will not be answered here or anywhere because we are being "stonewalled"

a silencing technique abusers use to control. Nadia is reading all of these comments

and choosing silence. She is a classic NPD enabler. Her words and actions do not align.

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Caryn LeMur !

Guest: you have a point, based on my review of the comments. I see very little to

nothing from Nadia.

May I propose we give her another day or two for answering my questions?

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CurtisMSP !

Nadia has said nothing here. I'm not sure she comments in any of her

blog posts.

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KT Pridgen !

Unfortunately, she had months to respond to the allegations against Tony

Jones. Like RHE, she's dismissed and blocked people attempting to

engage her about the issue.

Caryn LeMur !

I am very sad to hear that Nadia has chosen to walk away from the

example of our Jesus.Nadia: please consider our Lord's example in Matt 23. He was not afraid


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to call a spade a spade.

At the least, speak against the doctrine of "Two Marriages". I would

suggest that you reassert that you are a Lutheran Pastor, and not part of

the Emerging Movement.

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CurtisMSP !

Well, in Nadia's line of business, contracts come before God. Ironically

enough.

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Guest !

then this...an actual death threat goes unchecked by feminist Nadia our "host"

I met ToJo last year at a conference. Within about an hour of meeting

him he made comments to me about wanting to 'murder his ex-wife' andwishing he had never had children. I knew nothing of his personal life

at the time, but I remember being really weirded out by the intensity

with which he said these things. He did not sound 'jokey.' It was

disturbing.

itsallasham !

Anyone bringing up Julie's family and the wealth present there is channeling ToJo and his circle

because that's all that guy ever talked about when they were married. That and his need tomake at least 100k/year to support his lifestyle (which is apparently not working since his

parents own his home). Take the personalities and history out of it and you get this: a self-

fulfilling circle of narcissists who wirte jacket blurbs for each other's books, sit around

comparing publishers and advance fees, and really really poor theology that has led more

people to idol worship than made any serious contribution to the future of the Christian church.

What HAS been helpful about the emergent movement? It has shown the evangelical church

that it is not God's great gift to mankind either and has helped many people leave behind the

abuses of power and spirituality they experienced there. But leave no doubt about it, I don't

give a rat's behind what you think of who said what to whom and who filed what about

whatever... the sum of these people's lives is what they can earn and how often they can get

others to pay to hear them speak and then pay more to let them hang out with each other

before and afterwards. You want to dent this thing? STOP GOING TO THEIR CONFERENCES

AND BUYING THEIR LAME BOOKS. You want to help Julie? Stop inflating egos to the point

that no one is listening to the voices of reconciliation, confession and absolution. I'd even say

David, et al should pause the whole thing too everyone who needs to know the truth now

knows it. There will be a few suckers who pay for the pleasure of Tony and Nadia's company

but if you all stop going then what movement are they really leading? Nadia has sacrificed her

role as a public leader for this lucrative friendship and her failed comedy career made way for

fawning legions of NBW-ites but after you've heard the same talk a few hundred times you will


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realize there is no 'there' there. It's empty calories. Loaded with MSG. Bad. For. Your. Soul.

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Guest !

I am not a psychologist but I am in graduate school getting my Masters in Clinical

Mental Health Counseling and LPCC. I listened to Nadia on On Faith radio show. She

has all of the hallmarks of a narcissist herself. I would not be surprised. Birds of afeather.

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Alan Molineaux !

The problem is that this isn't just about TJ and his income. It is about the misuse of

power by church leaders.

I don't care what he earns. I don't really care if people want to buy his books or listen to

him (other than the e"ect upon the church)

I do care that the church hears the voice of the abused and has the chance to learn

lessons from things like this.

I am not sure that suggesting David should 'pause' does anything but support the

status quo: namely let's the powerful maintain their power.

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CurtisMSP !

The thing is, the critics of this Christian celebrity network are a tiny fraction of that

network's total followers. Most of the fans have either not heard the critique, or have

dismissed it, as they instructed to do by the network leaders. Now is not the time for the

critics to go silent. Now is the time to speak strongly until they are heard.

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Guest !

I agree with you whole heartedly. They are blind, deaf and dumb to the truth and it's

pointless. They are self made gods and stopped listening to the Holy Spirit long ago.Preach reconciliation and refuse to reconcile with me. THIS is the theology. Empty

words and it's big business. I was a liability and needed to be discarded by the

machine. Thanks for adding your insight. He WAS obsessed with my lineage and

propped up his NPD ego. Money and status are everything to that guy. He wi use

anyone and anything to get ahead.

nakedpastor !

I do appreciate your argument itsallasham. But it would only make sense if I cared onlyfor myself. What about all the people who continue to be bullied and abused by power


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and those who possess it? What about those who have su"ered from it and need a safe

space to share their experiences? My observation from the survivors I know is that they

are telling their stories not just for their own relief but for the redemption and relief of

those who are still under it. This is why I won't let it rest.

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No_6 !

The problem with some advocates is the heaps of false hope that accompany

the advocacy. Your strength is in providing a platform, which you excel at above

all your peers. But what I know from first-hand experience having needed

advocates in the past is that once you go public--you're dealing with everyone

else's baggage, including the advocate's own baggage. And yes--I have never

met an advocate who didn't throw theirs on the pile, too. Which it is not a

victim's responsibility to deal with.

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KT Pridgen !

So, do ya'll think these personas are Tony or his lawyer? I imagine some skeezy lawyer getting

paid $450 an hour for creating fake online profiles and annoying people online and laugh a

little.

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wordvixen !

I call a mix. I'm almost positive that a handful are Tony. I'm betting a certain one is an

underling for his lawyer. I have one pegged for Courtney, but I'm willing to give that one

a pass in case I'm wrong. I don't know enough of Jay to peg his style.

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Danica !

Believe me lawyers don't spend their time doing this. It's TJ, and maybe his right-hand

man Jay Bakker.

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KT Pridgen !

Oooh, I just Googled Jay. Soooo many tattoos. And hipster glasses and stern-

looking portraits. That means he's progressive and relevant, so it couldn't be

him. :P

CurtisMSP !

I'm thinking its the lawyers. The fake accounts are more creative than I am willing to

give Tony credit for. There are lawyers that specialize in extracting evidence from socialmedia. But the lawyers are just doing their job. It is Nadia that needs to be held


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accountable for allowing her blog to be used as an evidence gathering tool against a

victim of abuse.

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CurtisMSP !

Why does Kandace fail to mention the most well-established facts in her "summary", such as

Tony's NPD, or the web of endorsement and publicity contracts among Tony's group? Andwhat makes her think these posts will be sensored soon? What does she know that she is not

saying?

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Guest !

Cryptically intimidating. She knows the launch of the next lawsuit and has been sent to

solicit exhibits for the NPD. She has not been forthcoming and she cannot be found on

the internet as she said her thesis link would lead you to her. It didn't. Who are you

Kandace? Reveal yourself. You claim to be on the up and up but it's not adding up.

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Alan Molineaux !

It interesting that NBW hasn't taken this stu"down or entered the conversation.

It almost feels like a set up.

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Guest !

This is 100% fodder for the next lawsuit. I guarantee it and I will go viral

that Nadia was complicit. See, the thing is....I am not afraid. I hold the

truth and that is what my defense is and will always be. He has tried and

failed defamation BS before. Bring it! My lawyer before he withdrew

counsel because I owe 20k said, "His lawyer Simon Troutman is teeing up

the next lawsuit for lost wages." NPD's are MONSTERS they will never

quit fighting to control the narrative. I will be here giving real time

accounts of each and every litigation. Two weeks ago Simon Troutman

and his client lost in court. They attempted to gag me and prevent mefrom ever posting my story. They brought in reams of blog posts from 3rd

parties like this as exhibits. He brought 6 witnesses including Jay Bakker.

In a paraphrased nutshell the Judge said, "Get out of my courtroom fool."

Simon said, "We withdraw our motion." If looks could kill....I was

murdered by the expression on my ex husbands face. Make no mistake

this is lawfare and he has deep pockets and a triple digit book advance to

attack me. Again, I hold the truth and I stand strong and confident in it.


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KT Pridgen !

Did she post a thesis link? I missed it. Do you know about what time she posted it so I

can search for it through this mess?

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Guest !

She said she was searchable and would link to her thesis...nope dead

end. I asked for her twitter, FB, grad school name...something to prove

she was real...crickets. She was sent her to do a job.

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KT Pridgen !

It's just like what Tony did with his statement. He provided information

that looked reliable to get people to believe it but that informationcouldn't be verified.

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Guest !

Her whole point was to try and connect dots and cast shadow that my

supporters were virtual. My friends and family are burnt out on this

disgusting story and I stopped talking about to them long ago. THEY all

know about the NPD and various abuses. I speak out now because it is

WRONG for "Christian leaders" to harbor an abuser.....even prop him upwhile refusing to acknowledge the carnage in his wake. ANYONE with a

brain knows that an NPD diagnosis is enough to stop them in their tracks

and believe my story. Then coupled with all of my evidence that was

provided to bloggers and reputable prestigious institutions and then they

acted and spoke out boldly in my support...this happened and is

happening now and in real time. I'll give you an example of an NPD in

action this morning. My son was upset. He wants to go to environmental

camp. I am strapped for pennies and $175 is not something I can

casually write a check for. My son was told by his dad that, "Your mom

has to pay for that." I emailed the teacher and explained that they need to

ask him as I know he recently got a VERY hefty book advance. I copied

him and he shot back, "I'll pay....I never said I wouldn't." Sadly, the only

way to co-parent with an NPD is publicly. They ONLY care about their

public persona. This is what I deal with on the daily. I have become and

expert on NPD and hope to help others co-parent e"ectively. The public

image is paramount to everything. I use that to try and get my children

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Guest !

Kandace? Your "thorough" analysis is missing the part about a diagnosed narcissist with

sadistic traits and pathological lying. Two weeks ago when a judge literally said, "you can go

ahead and waste my time but you have no credibility in my courtroom and I suggest you

withdraw." Why? Because judges understand what an NPD is. Your analysis skims over that

lynch pin to understanding the entire story and why it looks this way 7 years later. You and BB

and Drea and Michael never want to discuss that part of the story, I wonder why that is?

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Guest !


him he made comments to me about wanting to 'murder his ex-wife' and

wishing he had never had children. I knew nothing of his personal life


with which he said these things. He did not sound 'jokey.' It was

disturbing.

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Guest !

I wonder why Kandace failed to mention a word about:

A"air

Abuse

"Bat shit crazy" campaign

"Your mother is a criminal" campaignCover up

Death threat

Legal threats

Litigious law fare of over $500,000 spent

You mostly wanted to cast smoke and mirrors on me personally with intimate details like my

address and mothers maiden name which were then put on the internet. Only my abuser knew

I was in Mexico last week. That's just sheer desperation!

Kandace !

Thank you to Julie supporters like Danica, KT, & Tim Wilson-Brown who transparently stated

they dont know Tony or Julie personally but repost her allegations bc they want to stand

against alleged abuse. A clarifier: Stu"Christian Culture Likes, Naked Pastor, The Wartburg

Watch, & WatchKeep are not based in MN and their operators have not publicly claimed to

have known Tony or Julie during their marriage or divorce, however their sites o"er religious

critique about

thousands of parties. They dont claim to do investigative research but ratherraise good questions to ask. Since Nadia hasnt felt comfortable participating, I have chosen at


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Curtis suggestion not to continue to ask questions of McLaren, Pagitt, Barnhill, Julia Doughty,

Stollar, Sargent, etc who post allegations or supportive statements. They have public profiles

that say whether they are local to MN anyways. And its been pointed out there are orgs, legal

parties, and reporters with more expertise than me to research this complex story.

Unfortunately, Nadia chose not to respond to questions, although its public shes known Tony

since approximately around 2007 and has spent time with him thru those yrs during manypublicly referenced projects, events, and a$liations. Based on their publicly known

interactions, it appears she knows Tony & his current wife well, but does not know Julie. Julie

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CurtisMSP !

That is not what I said, and nobody asked you to speak for those who have spoken for

themselves. Your attempt to re-frame what is already established, documented fact,

while ommitting the most relevant facts, is pathetic.

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Guest !

Kandace was self anointed and self appointed to be the final analysis. Beyond

bizarre on the part of Team NPD. Not a word of mention regarding the abuses or

the 22 page $4000 psychological evaluation which detailed the full ugly dirty

story. 800 comments later the truth remains. Abuses occur even today and yet

"leaders" like Nadia are not only mute but overtly supportive of an active

unrepentant abuser with a very serious diagnosis.

Kandace !

SUMMARY REQUESTED BY SOME HAVING TROUBLE WITH DISQUS: Some local

commenters raised questions about Julies parentss oil money, her senatorial candidate

brother in laws net worth, and her standard of living, which they suggested undermined

claims she had been driven into poverty. Most concurred these claims of wealth wereirrelevant to alleged abuse. MichaelOP, an event sponsor contacted by Tim Wilson-

Brown, shared the result of his orgs research which he claimed among other things

found Julie and Tony filed an equal amount of motions & Tony had never been charged

w/a crime or w/failure to pay child support while Julie did have a criminal charge.Julie

reminded Michael she has alleged police bias in that arrest due to Tonys former stint as

a chaplain He also noted that the courts felt Tony was safe enough that they awarded

him partial custody so he has the kids on weekends, which he claimed they wouldnt

have done if there was credible reason to believe Tony was an abuser. Julie admitted

going to a Mexico resort recently after people donated for her legal fees, butemphasized she traveled cheaply. Dee from TWW also clarified at least one donor had


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specified they wanted Julie to relax and do something for herself. The consensus

among everyone was that single moms deserve vacations. :) Julie also explained that

she leased one car and is trying to sell the second car she acquired for the nanny she

had last year but no longer employs due to financial di$culty.

There were concerns about anonymous commenters: both

concerns about their fear of posting in what they perceive to be a hostile climate andconcerns about whether some might have impure motives or unrevealed connections.

While some anonymous commenters identified themselves more freely over email,

George and Drea raised the most questions from users overall. BB was also questioned

for his tone, lack of tact, and for using what Tim pointed out was not a given name and

others called him a sockpuppet. It was brought up several times that there might be

fake commenters infiltrating the conversation

due to the number of new and/or private Disqus profiles being used. Others cautioned it

was unfair to try to dismiss those who disagree with you by claiming they must be all

fake and therefore not valid. A couple people also questioned my identity and asked meto provide personal information beyond what Id already shared and I declined to do so.

David Hayward briefly entered the conversation and clarified that he does not consider

himself a supporter of Julie, but a supporter of safe spaces. He encouraged others that

Julie should be able to identify however she wants. After saying this, David was asked

to comment on the profit he makes when he asks people to buy his artwork or

subscribe to his online church in his many posts about Julies allegations. He has not

yet responded to that.

Several people tried to guide the conversation away frominvestigating the people who post allegations often. Others were concerned this group

was then trying to silence question askers. Ultimately for most of this thread, those who

opposed investigating allegation-posters did a$rm the right of everyone

present to ask questions they felt were relevant. There were times of exception

especially when Julie and BB were arguing back and forth when people on both sides

tried to silence others as it admittedly grew less civil. Julie had identified she was from

Edina several times, but clarified she lived in a section of Edina near government

housing. Later she voiced concern that people might know where she lived and said she

would contact the police and the web host to have any information related to thisremoved. Julie and an unnamed Guest also posted a link to a claim on another site

where an anonymous person claimed

that just an hour after meeting Tony for the first time at an event last year, Tony allegedly

said he wanted to murder his ex-wife.

Julie identified herself at times as Guest and at times as Julie, but she explained her

logic for doing this was so the comments could not be used against her as she felt the

post could be part of an organized setup to gather information for a defamation suit. Id

like to thank Leslie Lea who calmly entered as the comments were heating up andasserted it was headed in the wrong direction. Julie voiced her appreciation


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for Leslie and shared about her faith and how her friend had a prophetic dream about

how Tony would drive their family into darkness which Julie believed has come true.

With this, I am signing o"and releasing myself from my original intentions at the advice

of others here. I wish you all joy and peace and healing.

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Ragnarok !

Assuming this is actually Tony speaking, it's a wonder to me that no one has

mentioned that in addition to content (such as comments and other published

matter) being legally discoverable, IP addresses are also discoverable. So if

someone wanted to try to submit or subpoena any of these comments for Tony's

side, Julie could merely stand up in court all on her own and request that IP

addresses be submitted as well. That way, the court can see exactly who sent

these comments and from where.

Anonymity online is a fiction when it comes to producing documents and the like

under court order. Just saying.

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Annie Banannie !

Oh wait, and now I have to down vote it for it's resurrection of the "Julie as

unstable" narrative. I know you didn't say so I'm so many words, but you

carefully curated you summarized points to make her look crazy.

So yeah, I'm assuming a$davit. A handy synopsis for whatever is coming next.

Another attempt to flip custody? Sue for damages? Lost wages? Who knows.

"Kandace", you are playing a game, likely for your lawyers' fee, with someone

else's actual life. Regardless of how successful you may be, you are a bad

person. You make te world a little uglier and a little less safe. You, yourself, cause

harm. You could choose to do di"erent with your skills and education, but you

don't. Maybe someday you will. Until then you are complicit in the abuse of

every victim of domestic violence, because you facilitate a culture that shames

and silences them. You. Are. Complicit. You know better, but you choose harm.

You. Are. Complicit.

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Annie Banannie !

I'm liking this for its epic arrogance and pomposity, spin and evasion. Is that your

summary or your a$davit?


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KT Pridgen !

Thanks, Tony. I mean, none of us needed this as we have followed the situation from the

beginning and are pretty much aware of everything you gathered in your "investigation"

here. *eye roll*

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Guest !

No one requested your summary.

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Kandace !

I do not intend to continue posting as it probably brings out unhealthiness in me to stay

in this dialogue too long, but it is okay to continue to email me. Im going to take a break

from this for a while, but will get to those in a few days.

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Guest !

I don't think anyone has emailed you. Why not post the emails?

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Kandace !

You are of course able to scroll down (for miles!) and read all of these comments

for yourself to see if you feel this was a fair re-telling and I encourage you to doso.

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Guest !


him he made comments to me about wanting to 'murder his ex-wife' and

wishing he had never had children. I knew nothing of his personal life


with which he said these things. He did not sound 'jokey.' It wasdisturbing.

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Leslie Lea !

Well, I can only do my part. I for one, am going to boycott all "Christian books". The Bible alone

is good enough for me. God speaks to me and The Holy Spitit guides me through The Word,

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Guest !

The Holy Spirit absolutely led this going viral. It was time. David Hayward was used and

courageous enough to refuse to delete my story even though he received a plethora of legal

threats from my abuser and his enablers. They were stunned because for years their threats

kept my story quiet. Not this time. The Holy Spirit is having her say. I would like nothing morethan for some beauty to come from this ugliness. I am waiting for that. I know and have been

contacted by other abuse victims who have said my story gave them courage. I helped one

woman get her and her 5 kids to a shelter after she read my story so I would like beauty and

good fruit to come to bear.

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Guest !

Good night, Leslie. Thank you for putting the focus where it should have been but strayed. If

God were involved in this...it would not look like the mess it does. The mental illness is a majorpart of the problem too but the enablers refusing to stop him are also driving this. I hold the

truth and I will keep speaking.

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Leslie Lea !

Sweet dreams, Julie. Praying for Peace, truth and justice.and for God's name to be

glorified.

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Guest !

Thank you! I am a weary soldier but I need to remember whose child I am and

that the Holy Spirit will move if I remain faithful.

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Leslie Lea !

I suggest that we not be controlled , not be helpless and not be enablers. Let us commit to not

buying any Christian book by any author for six months, also commit to not going to any

Christian conference for six months. Even homeschooling conferences. Instead let us spendour time and money on doing what Jesus did. Visiting the homeless shelters, women's

shelters, jails, etc, etc. we may learn something and we may be blessed. Let us stop spending

money on foolishness written by people who are in it for the money. Let's stop being sheep.

Sorry about the preaching.

CurtisMSP !

Instead of six months, I say forever. Get together with some people in your

neighborhood and use the money you used to spend on celebrity Christian books to

support your local community instead. A much better investment that will bring huge


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dividends, instead of stroking someone's inflated ego.

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Guest !

That is really what it would take but sadly fragile egos love the hype and groupie brand

they have served up. It is a brand and they have consumers. Very reputable institutions

investigated my story. They interviewed me several times and read all my documents.Then they said, "No more." And dumped him. I have a great deal of respect for those

men and women who listened, prayed and then acted. I can't even get to first base the

listening part with Nadia or Rachel who claim to have done "due diligence" and claim to

be an advocate. FRAUDS.

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Guest !

I held tight to the dream that God would move the mountain and it would be good and peaceful

for my kids. I understand now that because of the diagnosis of narcissistic personality disorder

with sadistic traits that will never happen. I truly must pay for speaking the truth. I am the

narcissistic target and his life obsession is taking me down. I said it to him and I'll say it

here....he's got the wrong marine. I think God wired me with a little extra justice gene and I will

call out abuse wherever and when ever I see it and loudly. It is doubly toxic when it is from

alleged representatives of God.

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Guest !

That is my question...where is God in this? Every year at Easter time for my kids I send a letter.

An olive branch begging for peace and forgiveness. Begging for the litigation to stop. I used to

ask him to repent but that is out of the question. This year I didn't bother. He has surrounded

himself with enablers and he cannot hear God or anynone but himself speaking into a

microphone most likely to adoring fans. For my children I have this dream of peace and civility.

She is worse than he....she doesn't even know me and treats me like I am a leper and in front

of my children. It is the farthest thing from good or holy. It's evil.

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Leslie Lea !

Matthew7:23. Look it up. I feel like this blog is becoming like Geraldo. Where is Christ.? Is there

room for the Holy Spirit to work? I am disgusted. Where is provision for the widow and

orphans? Who is laying down their life for the brethren? If it is not about Christ it is worthless..

So you men and women of God, where is your heart and your soul. Geez, this stu"should be

Christianity 101 to all of you. Why aren't you getting it?

Guest !

I used to ask him repeatedly, "If this is of God then where is the fruit? There is nothing


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but rotten fruit in our marriage." He would just board the next plane and often to Dallas,

Texas where she lived.

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Living Liminal !

It is di$cult to get a man to understand something, when his salary [power, prestige,

reputation...] depends on his not understanding it.

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Guest !

It was the money and corruption that ruined him. My friend is prophetic. She had

a dream that his pursuits of Emergent "were a darkness and that it will harm you

and your family." Wiser words were never spoken. He told her in a rage, "Barb,

you have no idea what you are talking about!" Actually, she did. I tried to speak

truth into his life. I knew he was going down the wrong path. He would not listen.

No one was going to take him from the spotlight.

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Living Liminal !

So sad :(

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Guest !

my children bear the sin of their father. He refuses to repent and is stuck

in revenge mode. It will take a miracle to break this cycle. The enablers

could help like Doug Pagitt but they carry on and cash the checks.

Guest !

This is the best Progressive Christianity has to o"er. This...my outrage has and will always be

how dare you use the name of Christ. You don't get to literally throw people to the ground and

act like it never happened. I want Christian leaders who are held accountable for bad behavior.

This was on Naked Pastors blog today. YES a person who states a death threat is who you areenabling.

I have been following

this situation since last September, but have been very hesitant to

share one of the main reasons why I've believed Julie since she first

posted on NP's story last September. I have friends and colleagues who

support ToJo. I don't know what the consequences will be if this gets

traced back to me, but here goes: I met ToJo last year at a conference.

Within about an hour of meeting him he made comments to me about wanting

to 'murder his ex-wife' and wishing he had never had children. I knew

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weirded out by the intensity with which he said these things. He did not

sound 'jokey.' It was disturbing. I handed my hosting responsibilities

over to other conference volunteers after that and kept my distance from

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No_6 !

O_O

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Annie Banannie !

Every time I want to take a Michael type seriously, there's a Kandace type, or even worse a BB

type, who goes largely unchallenged by the entire tony supporting contingent.

Really no one supporting Julie has acted that threatening or nasty, none of us have even beenparticularly sneaky other than not always using our real names. Sccl is what it has always been:

raucously, raunchily, critical of those who harm in Jesus name. Julie is as she has always been,

passionate, over sharing, fairly consistent.

Kandace is trying to whip up something where there is nothing. BB is outright threatening. But

yep, some detail quibbles are where this story is at, certainly not 5-10 fake accounts oozing out

of the woodwork to slam, harass, and doxx Julie.

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Leslie Lea !

This is REALLY grievous to the Christian Community. Those who are bullies need to stop

SINNING. If you are really Christians , you should get it. Christian leaders should stop this.

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Guest !

Leslie, 7 years ago I went to the Christian leaders for help. The a"air, abuse, "crazy

campaign" all of it. NOT ONE would help me. They shunned and silenced me. This

display by BigBrowner and a slightly more subtle Kandace is what I have endured since2008. Why? MONEY! Book deals, minor xian celebrity status. They all endorse each

other books and go to the same events. It is the antithesis of Christ-like and yet it goes

unchecked. A diagnosed NPD is controlling the narrative however I refuse to shut up

and will keep speaking the truth forever.

Guest !

There are the private emails and messages that I get but they know that if they speak out

publicly they'll never work in this town again so to speak. Very incestuous. And, like theanonymous person on David Haywards bog today who said he listened as my abuser as he


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said he wished I was murdered. To his followers at a conference! YEP! This is the best

progressive Christianity can serve up? No thanks.

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Danica !

WHat I also cannot believe is how Rachel Held Evans, Peter Rollins, Jay Bakker, et al, could

watch this go down and not be backing away slowly saying, "Yeah, never mind, we TOTALLYbelieve you now, Julie."

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Guest !

They are all interdependent on book deals, events and have the same publishers! I must

be wiped out to save the empire.

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Danica !

I cannot believe a pastor would let something like this go down on her blog. This is

shepherding the sheep? This is leading them to green pastures so their souls can be

restored??

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Guest !

Nadia is in on it. This thread is the nest exhibit for the next lawsuit. And when it is I will

speak out on that. This is what an NPD does....beats you down. Ironically, it has had the

reverse e"ect and made me stronger with every failed legal attack. The truth sets me

free.

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Guest !

I have ZERO respect for Nadia. She is a cult of personality. Schtick and fame and when

an abuse victim is in her face saying, "Please, help." She hangs up!

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Danica !

Julie I'm sending you an email. :)

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Guest !

she is allowing it because she is in on it. this will be exhibit A in the next

failed defamation run. Watch....and I will report it back and make sure it

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Leslie Lea !

I think everyone who presumes to write Christian books should go on a self imposed 6 month

moratorium and get well with their soul. Bring Christ back into the convo. If there us never another book

written or never another conference, so be it, let's change the game plan here and make it about loving

God and loving each other.

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Guest !

The celebrity fame ruined my ex husband. Ruined him! He was Godly at one time....he

lost it and sold his soul. I called him out and that is why I have been his narcissistic

target ever since.

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Guest !

I'm fairly convinced BB and Kandace are the same they both tried to slam SCCL and they both

spoke of conspiracy and one logs o"and then they other magically appears. I am further

confident as my lawyer told me that Simon Troutman his lawyer is trying to build a case for

"lost wages" thus Kandace's over the top obvious questions about that issue. This runs deep

and wide and tragically an NPD will NEVER give up. Oh, no he will fight this until there is

nothing but scorched earth. I did call the police and will make a report tomorrow bringing in my

laptop. Using my personal information and my 80 year old widowed mothers maiden

name...that's low even for an NPD and his enablers. My address? Seriously, you people are

pond scum as my dearly departed father coined his ex son in law.

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Guest !

Where is angry Drea? She was fun.

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Guest !

Sadly, this is progressive Christianity's finest at work interacting with a survivor of variousabuses. THIS is the best they've got.

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Danica !

Waiting for another of Tony's ghost profiles to post in 3 ... 2 ...

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Leslie Lea !

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Leslie Lea !

Hey, I am just a humble tax accountant who is grouchy at the end it tax season. I have also

been a Christian for a long time and have the gift of discernment. And what I discern here

stinjsm BB

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Guest !

What lie? It's one small question BB but you can't seem to answer it.

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Leslie Lea !

BB, what is your skin in this game? You certainly aren't acting very respectful. Or Chrustlike.

How does this profit you?

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Guest !

THIS is what I came up against for 7 years. This treatment that is so unGodly it is

unfathomable. Nadia our "host" hung up on me and Rachel blocked me. THIS is who

these people are. It is disgusting and they truly are frauds.

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BigBrowner !

Danica, someone called you out earlier as an SCCL groupie. Check the connections. Read the

thread. There's stu"to be found here. That's it. I'm out.

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Guest !

Out? Why? I'm wondering what you think is a lie? Calling me a liar I take VERY serious.

What exactly do you claim I lied about? Go....I'm waiting. I asked you that many times

and yet you won't ask the simple question. What did I lie about BigBrowner?

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Danica !

YOU called me out as an SCCL groupie, Tony, under one of the many ghost accounts

you've created for yourself here. And I'm proud to hang out at SCCL - it's Where All The

Women Are At, after all. (tm)

Danica !

Hey Tony, I mean BigBrowner --- check out what someone is saying about you. It's not

flattering. I hope Courtney and any kids in the house are safe right now, because you seem to

be spiraling into a narcissistic rage.

http://www.nakedpastor.com/201...


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Guest !

Stephanie Drury has more guts than any of these fake advocates. She is what I want in

a Christian leader. A person with the courage to say, "NO MORE." David Hayward too.

These fake leaders only interested in preserving the next speaking engagement are a

terrible disappointment.

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Guest !

I REALLY think it is him too. He did this when married. NPD would absolutely do this

and the smoke and mirror and refusal to address fact and abuse is a dead ringer.

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Guest !

This clown knows where I live. Because my abuser and Nadia have allowed this. THESE are theGodly people leading the progressive church.

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BigBrowner !

Again, what are you talking about? I have no idea where you live. You are the one who

mentioned the Edina police in like two dozen comments as anyone who can scroll down

adn screencap right now can see. You're the one who just said you live by section 8

houseing. Those are the only clues anyone has. But again, you wouldn't comment much

here because you think this website is part of the conspiracy. But you don't, do you?

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Leslie Lea !

BB , you are getting abusive

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BigBrowner !

But it's not abusive to destroy lives with false allegations and then try to scare people

away from asking questions? Maybe these people should have done their homework

before they started talking up these allegations everywhere to get more clicks to their

sites or sell more or their artwork. Where were you then?

Caryn LeMur !

Big Browner: allegations, by definition, are neither true nor false.

A person hosting a website is not responsible for the postings of others in US

Law. [They are, of course, responsible for their own comments.]

The key questions become these:

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2. Are people allowed to use their names and online names with equality? Or, do

we force some to use their real names, and not all? Or, do we block 'guest'

names for some, but not all?

3. We can moderate for coarse language, but again, need to carefully ensure no

prejudice in our moderating.

As a result, most moderators will allow all to post, erase nothing, and allow all

guest accounts. Moderators are free to enter the conversation at any time.I would encourage you to do your homework on the Digital Law website.

Sincerely; Caryn

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Alan Molineaux !

Shame on you for the suggestion. You have no idea of the good done by David

to people who have su"ered abuse from powerful people.

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nakedpastor !

Seriously? That's all you have on me is that as an artist I provide it for people to

purchase and acquire? My blog nakedpastor makes NO money. I've made sure

of that. But I'm allowed to sell my art. So... BigBrowner... here's a sincere

gesture... pick out ANY print you want from my shop and I will ship it to you

entirely for free. As a gift. Just to help you perhaps see that I'm not in this for the

money. Take your pick.

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Guest !

They did their homework and that is why legal threats to delete your blog or else

do not work anymore. They did for years but NO MORE. I will talk freely and

truthfully until my last breath.

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Leslie Lea !

WTF?

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Danica !

Someone has hurt feels about the naked pastor

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Leslie Lea !

Rotfl


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Guest !

They did! And after reading all of my documents they support me. Unlike Team NPD that

has a 1/4 of select cherry picked court docs from one court. The 3/4 tells the story. You

can choose to align with an abuser. Others who actually DID do due diligence like large

prestigious institutions did and then they made the choice to dump him.

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Guest !

What allegation is false? I KEEP asking you that one simple question.

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BigBrowner !

If all this gets taken down by Patheos, I suggest that you screencap everything and send it to

reporters now. This story is blown open.

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KT Pridgen !

Oh, FFS.

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Leslie Lea !

I meant BB

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Leslie Lea !

This whole blog is getting crazy. Bob, you sound like a big bully.

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BigBrowner !

Sometimes it's time for someone to stand up to the lies.

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Leslie Lea !

So who are you really?

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Guest !

AGAIN what lie? I have answered every single thing. AGAIN what lie? ANSWER.

You seem to never answer.


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Guest !

I called the police and reported Nadia Bolz Weber and Big Browner and obviously my abuser for

providing my personal information like my make and model of my vehicle and where I lease it....OMG!

You people sicken me! Exploiting my personal information like my HOME on the internet. My abuser

CLEARLY gave you this information which speaks volumes to the depths of desperation he will go to

smoke and mirrors the ugly truth of his diagnosis, sadistic traits, a"air, abuse and cover up. BB? Why

don't you want to chat word one about those important issues?! Instead you want to recycle yesterdays

smear campaign and attempt to discredit the victim. I didn't know I was on trial? I'll be here all night.

Next?

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BigBrowner !

I am sure the police know your number by now. I bet they'll be right over to arrest

people based on your credible as always allegations.

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Guest !

I'm sorry what? What allegation of my abuse is false? I think I have asked you

that very simple question 7 times. What is false BigBrowner?

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BigBrowner !

All Julie's supporters have been saying this whole time that Nadia was going to delete

comments, but look who is actually going to contact Patheos according to her comment. It's

Julie. Another hole. "Look they're silencing us! Quick, call Patheos and ask them to take down

the information about Julie being related to a Senator with a networth in the tens of millions or

being from an oil famiy or living in a ritzy neighborhood or going on vacations while asking

people to donate to her legal costs or filing motions when she was saying it was Tony filing

motions. Give me a break.

Guest !

I never said Nadia would delete. I am confident my abuser and Nadia are right here

active and in real time. AGAIN and I hate to say this BB but either you are stupid or

refusing to listen! This reminds me EXACTLY of my abuser. Here we go again for a 4th or

5th time. As I refuted and shot down your lies yesterday I will again and every day you

post it. Where is Kandace? she logged out and you logged in...okay...got it.

1. My brother in law is not the senator. Al Franken is. AGAIN how does that make my

story NOT true? AGAIN your logic....is illogical.

2. Tens of millions? WTF? Now you are just throwing out numbers. You have no idea


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what you are talking about.

3. Ritzy neighborhood? I live adjacent to a highway and section 8 housing my my

backyard. My abuser told my kids, "Its ghetto."

4. People helped me file a motion to get my son who was unlawfully taken January 19. I

had to drop it because I owe 20k

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Guest !

Nadia is in on it dummy!

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Guest !

I am calling the Edina police right now. My abuser has provided BB with my address and

personal information about my mother and brother in law. THIS is what Nadia Bolz Weber is

hosting and not saying a word. I am also contacting Patheos. You people are scary!!

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BigBrowner !

I hope the police read the entire thread to see who they're dealing with to. That might be

exactly what this case needs.

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Guest !

I'll repeat.....BB? Do you think it is okay to abuse women?

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BigBrowner !

I think it's okay to call out women when they lie. No one can tell if you were abused

because we have to sort through the dozen lies and that's just what has come out in the

last 24 hours to figure out if any part of your conspiracy theory could possibly still be

true after you take away all the things you said that aren't true.

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Guest !

What lie? Name it now.

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Guest !

Are you afraid? But you have that big scary bull dog avatar? I will answer and I have each and

every question. however, I am answering and then you ask the same question. It's taxing but I

will be patient.


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BigBrowner !

SPINDLETOP 2. The Phelan family oil well. Go on Zillow like that one guy said and check out

Edina. Look it up, people.

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Guest !

Yes, my great grandfather sold his grocery store and put in money for an oil drill.

It hit oil. How does that make me NOT living below the poverty line?

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Guest !

I already several times actual went through this with you and Michael

yesterday but I will go slower for you.....I love in a home owned by my

mother. again HOW does that NOT make my story true and accurate withall corroborating evidence? ANSWER....let me guess.....you won't. PLUS

how SICK my abuser supplied you my address I am calling the cops on

that. No, seriously I am right now.

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BigBrowner !

The part I loved the best is when you said you went to MEXICO recently

after asking all these people to donate for you but you justified it by

saying it was only a 3 STAR RESORT and you bought airline tickets froma cheap airline. SOUNDS LIKE POVERTY TO ME.

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Guest !

People on poverty vacation idiot. AGAIN how did my truth NOT happen

because I went to Mexico? Your logic is really lame.

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Guest !

I didn't justify shit. It was a dumpy 3 star resort because that is what I

could a"ord. My friend gave me a week. ONLY my abuser knew I went to

Mexico so you are either HIM or in his pocket.

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Guest !

I never asked one human to donate one dime. Dee Parsons commented

yesterday IDIOT how happy she was and that the main donor hoped I

could get a vacation. NEXT?


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BigBrowner !

EVERYONE READ YOU COMING ON TWITTER OVER AND OVER AND

SAYING YOU COULDNT AFFORD A LAWYER AND SHARING THE LINK.

MORE THAN ONCE. WE HEARD YOU SAY YOU WERE IN POVERTY.

TONY DROVE YOU THERE. OR WAS THAT GUEST OR JMAC WHO SAID

THAT?

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Ragnarok !

The more you rant, the more convinced I am that you are actually Tony. At

first, I just assumed you were an asshole. Now, I'm pretty sure you're the

asshole in question.

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Guest !

BB? What do you think I lied about? I have a rich relative so I was not abused? Is that yourlogic?

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BigBrowner !

"I'll pretend anyone who says anything against me is part of the abuse so people are afriad to

say anything." said Julie or Jmac6301 or Guest.

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Guest !

It is guest....do I need to explain that for a 4th time? really?

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Guest !

where is Kandace? Drea? Or do you need to log out first?

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Guest !

BB? Do you think it is okay to abuse women?

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BigBrowner !

I would ask you if you think it's okay to make false allegations and run around trying to

scare people who ask questions about it, but I think we know that's perfectly okay with

you. ANYONE READING, read all the comments. Anyone who comes on here this many

times trying to get other people to stop asking questions is hiding something and once

you start reading, you'll see exactly what it is.


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BigBrowner !

READ THE COMMENT THREAD and judge for yourself. Don't let Julie scare you away with her

dozens of comments and fear tactics. Use your own judgment. No sane person is going to

read everything that has come out here and all the holes that have been exposed and Julie's

change of identity every fifteen minutes and her conspiracy theories and think "That sounds

completely true." YOU ARE DOING YOURSELF NO FAVORS and EVERYONE knows it.

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AnnieOly !

As someone who has read about this story in passing on TWW and Naked Pastor, and

thinks RHE and NBW have had and still have valuable things to say, and as someone

who has never commented on this subject and doesn't claim to know 'the answer' after

reading through much of this thread I am willing to say this: you, 'BB', come across like

one arrogant, classless, nasty SOB. You are not doing your side any favors whatsoever.

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KT Pridgen !

I agree. Time to switch back to Kandace, Tony. BigBrowner isn't winning you any

points.

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BigBrowner !

I can't figure out if you people really believe Julie, if you are Julie, or if you

have just been HAD that bad. I hope to GOD for your sake that you

actually started looking into some of the holes blown into these

allegations.

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Danica !

Don't you dare use God's name in this Tony. You've already blasphemed

Him so many times.

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Guest !

you just called yourself insane.

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Guest !

Fear tactics? I am asking to engage you directly. O"line if your wish. Change my

identity? no. just switched it to guest. Go on? What else?


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BigBrowner !

If you really thought there was some big conspiracy and people were collecting this, you

would know that people would be screencapping your every move. You DONT really

think that. You're using that to scare people away from questioning you. You are full of

it.

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Guest !

Actually, BB. My abuser uses every word. He shows up in court as

recently as two weeks ago with reams of paper crying slander,

defamation, sue her! so, fact....not conspiracy. He lost BTW. In fact the

Judge said, "no credibility."

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Guest !

I wonder why BB won't engage me in dialogue. He does his drive by lies and I refite each and

every one and then he runs away. BB? Let's chat. See, the thing about the truth is...it hel

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