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Forget finding a really quiet hard disk drive. Generally, physicallysmaller drives are quieter; 3.5" drives are quieter than 5.25" drives,2.5" drives are quieter than 3.5", etc. I haven't even found a 1.8"PCMCIA drive that wasn't annoyingly loud in a quiet bedroom in the middle of the night.

I've bitten the bullet and gotten the quietest drive of them all, atotally silent 160 MB Viking PCMCIA type II flash card (about $350 now).The idea is to use it as working storage: basic Linux OS andutilities, Emacs, a web browser, and a few other things, plus someuser files. Less frequently used stuff would go on the hard drivewhich I'd occasionally have to spin up and access. Unfortunately Ihaven't gotten this scheme to work because of PCMCIA problems with theViking card on my 770 (it reports itself as the wrong kind of card)and Viking tech support hasn't been much help. I will have toreproduce the problem under Windoze 95 before I can get them to dosomething about it, and I haven't had time for that.

I've used one flash-drive computer before (HP Omnibook 300 with 10 MB card)and loved it. The flash card beats the heck out of a hard drive.Rotating storage seems like a decaying monstrosity, like CRT monitors.Flash drives with 320 MB are available now and 1 GB drives will probablybe available by the end of the year ($$$$$$). I believe that with somediscipline in resisting code bloat, 160 MB is enough for most purposes.So I'm really hoping to get this working soon. Maybe I can work on ita bit more this weekend.

The Wall Street Journal's tech columinst Walter Mossberg reviews the new Thinkpad 24 and Sony Vaio 505z in Thursday, july 1's paper. Loves the 240, calls it the best in the ultralight class. Hates the sony Z505 because Sony added too much weight without adding ports. As usual, I will e-mail to anyone who doesn't get the paper or subscribe to the web site. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- John M. Higgins Broadcasting & Cable Magazine [email protected] v)212-337-7024/f)212-337-7028 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

> Has anyone had reasonable success with video capture on the> 770X or 770Z? Any tips?

Just my 2 cents, but I think those guys you talked to are right. I'vedone extensive research on the web to find out whether it was possibleto do decent video capture with a 770 TP and I think that's definitelyimpossible. I mean definitely. IBM remains very vague on the subject, I think in order not toacknowledge the fact that this "video capture" feature just does notwork (except for still images ot crummy video conferencing...).

I once read a post by someone who seemed very knowledgeable in TPhardware which said that the Video Adapters hardware could do decentcapture but that IBM would never write the appropriate drivers becausethere's no market worth such an investment.

>They recommend several desktop capture cards. I wonder if one of these >could be connected to the 770X via a SCSI adapter and some kind of >docking station.

That's the only solution. BUT someone recently posted something aboutIBM's Docking Stations having *poor* PCI performance, which would be amajor nuisance for video capture and editing.

I think you should buy a desktop, high end SCSI hard drives andcontroler and a real video capture card. There's just no othr way to dowhat you want to do.

Good luck.

PS : Greg Langham's post could be of some interest to you too :

>I have a Selectadock III with a Selectabase 770 and a 9549-8AU 770Z. I >haveinstalled a Number 9 PCI Digital video card which is part of the SiliconGraphics 17.3" flat panel bundle. (Which, by the way, is the onlymonitor Ihave ever seen which beats the 13.7" LCD of the 770).

My question is this: When I connect my 770 to the dock, then boot, themachine produces no display on the pci card. It waits about 10 seconds,beeps, then automatically reboots. At this point, I get a display onthepci adapter and everything is fine.

Now, when I undock and turn my machine on, I get the standard power ondisplay. Again, it goes for about 10 seconds just sitting there, beepsonce,turns off the LCD, then comes back up and boots. If I reboot the machinewhile still undocked, the machine doesn't go through this procedure.

I'm guessing that the machine is noticing a change in its configurationandmust reconfigure something in the BIOS.

Now the problem is this: If I boot connected to the dock after havingbeenundocked, everything works fine; however, If I boot twice in a row whenconnected to the dock, the machine hangs and never even produces adisplayat the second boot. The solution is to pull the machine out of thedock,boot, turn it off, and plug it back into the dock. Seems a bit clumsy.

I have noticed others using pci video (voodoo cards, etc.) and waswonderingif this is just a characteristic, or do I have something configuredwrong?

I have a TP 560X running MS-DOS 6.0, without a CD-ROM drive. I have a 3Com3C589DPCMCIA network card, as well as Windows 98 running on a desktop PC. Thedesktop's network adapter and settings are configured already. I need thelaptop to access a CD-ROM drive on the desktop, but I can't install Windows(because I don't have an external CDROM drive) to do so the normal way.

Now the question is how I network a DOS laptop with the Windows machine.

Would appreciate any help!

Thanks in advance.

At 05:45 PM 07/01/1999 +0800, Warren Tan Wing Wah wrote:>I have a TP 560X running MS-DOS 6.0, without a CD-ROM drive. I have a 3Com>3C589D>PCMCIA network card, as well as Windows 98 running on a desktop PC. The>desktop's network adapter and settings are configured already. I need the>laptop to access a CD-ROM drive on the desktop, but I can't install Windows>(because I don't have an external CDROM drive) to do so the normal way.>>Now the question is how I network a DOS laptop with the Windows machine.

IF you want to install Win9x, in cases like this, I either:

A. Use a bullet parallel port drive that holds all the various OSR releases of Win9x

B. Copy the win9x directory via laplink (parallel).

C. Use a terminal program and link the machines via serial (serial).

If you are installing OSR_0-2 (Win95, Win95a, Win95b), the files arerelativelysmall. You can safely delete the 25meg CIS monstrosity install file and bringyour OSR_2 (revB) down to a comparable size.

If you need to install Win98, do the same procedure, but goto bed afterstarting the procedure, because your systems will be occupied for awhile. :)

If you still require a MS-DOS based machine that requires access to Win9x/NTresources:

For older machines that need access to Windows network resources but stillmandate pre Win9x environment, I install Windows for WorkGroups 3.11. It isable to access all Windows resources, is a lot smaller and was the last gaspfor Windows 3.x with decent networking (precursor to Win9x). You can map anduse printers and drives on Win9x and NT machines. I have a TP755c that runsMSDOS and WfWG 3.11, and it uses a 3c589d combo adapter. It works perfect.

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Try calling, I don't know why your browser showed different prices then whenI went to the page. However, mine showed different prices than the originalposters did.

David Dunn

-----Original Message-----From: Randal Whittle [mailto:[email protected]]Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 4:47 PMTo: David Dunn; TP ListSubject: RE: Interesting TP accessory prices

At 07:09 AM 6/29/99 -0700, you wrote:>Thanks for the info. I went to their site and they listed the TP600 adapter>for 69$-25$rebate=45$. Where did you see the price for the AC adapter for>19$? Also it states that a Mailer code is required for rebate, is this the>source code number you had at the bottom of your email?

>Follow these procedures.>>warehouse.com/ibmopmail>or 800-551-9577>Source code P95x20

I went to the site and see "normal" prices. Did I miss out, or is theresomething special you have to do to see (and obtain) what the rebates wouldbe on each item?

- Randy Whittle

Well, beyond doing a network, if all you want it to get win9x on the 560, usean older version of laplink and the parallel port..laplink the cabs to the HDD and run from there.. :-)

i have laplink5 that works well enough and it all fits a standard floppy..you'll need the proper cable, but if thats a difficulty, you can do it with aslightly modified serial cable.. (much slower, but it does work)...

Warren Tan Wing Wah wrote:

> I have a TP 560X running MS-DOS 6.0, without a CD-ROM drive. I have a 3Com> 3C589D> PCMCIA network card, as well as Windows 98 running on a desktop PC. The> desktop's network adapter and settings are configured already. I need the> laptop to access a CD-ROM drive on the desktop, but I can't install Windows> (because I don't have an external CDROM drive) to do so the normal way.>> Now the question is how I network a DOS laptop with the Windows machine.>> Would appreciate any help!>> Thanks in advance.

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Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary,Done on aclosed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home..

John,

Thanks very much for the notice about the great deal. I called MicroWarehouse and ordered them that way and got 2 $24.95 batteries.Unfortunately, I ordered a $99.95 from PC Zone a week ago, but who canreally complain about 3 batteries for $150?

How can I get on that mailer?

Matthew

On Mon, 28 Jun 1999, M. Kokaly wrote:

> > John, > > I couldn't find the great deals. The battery listing I see there says> $249.00 before rebate, not $24.90 after rebate. Was this some kind of> typo? I went as far as to add it to my shopping cart and it still says> $249.00. Not as good as the $99 pczone deal. Let me know if I'm doing> something wrong.> > Matthew> > On Mon, 28 Jun 1999, John Higgins wrote:> > > > > > > Got some interesting mail from Micro Warehouse today on IBM Thinkpad> > accessories. ALl are prices after a $25 rebate> > > > TP 560 batteries $24.95!!!!!> > 56w AC Adapter for thinkpad 600 $19.95> > Internal 100MB Zip Drive $49.95> > > > Those seem to be the biggest bargains, but there are some other> > specials.> > > > Follow these procedures.> > > > warehouse.com/ibmopmail> > or 800-551-9577> > Source code P95x20> > > > > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-> > John M. Higgins > > Broadcasting & Cable Magazine > > [email protected] > > v)212-337-7024/f)212-337-7028 > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-> > > > > > > >

On Wed, 30 Jun 1999 16:31:48 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote:

>Request a seat in the emergency exit row. You get more leg room because>the aisle has to be wider for emergency exits. You also get more room>between you and the front seat so you have a place for your ThinkPad>without worrying about the moron in front of you leaning back and cracking>your screen.

But be careful, many of the exit rows on United 757s don't have underseat luggage space. If (as is often the case) people in the back of the plane have filled up the overhead bins on their way by, the airline human will want to check your precious thinkpad or stash it somewhere else on the plane.

Normally, I keep the thinkpad on my lap on top of the case. I'm always vigilant about the person in front getting a sometimes violent urge to recline. I never use the tray tables.________________________________Victor KressGeological SciencesBox 351310University of WashingtonSeattle, Washington98195-1310

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On Thu, 1 Jul 1999, Victor Kress wrote:

> Normally, I keep the thinkpad on my lap on top of the case. I'm always vigilant about > the person in front getting a sometimes violent urge to recline. I never use the tray > tables.

Argh; I hate those people; I usually push them right back. Come to thinkof it, I think I hate air travel -- the "sardine class" that I fly,anyway :)

-turgut

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On Wed, 30 Jun 1999, Paul Rubin wrote:> > I've bitten the bullet and gotten the quietest drive of them all, a> totally silent 160 MB Viking PCMCIA type II flash card (about $350 now).> > I've used one flash-drive computer before (HP Omnibook 300 with 10 MB card)> and loved it. The flash card beats the heck out of a hard drive.> Rotating storage seems like a decaying monstrosity, like CRT monitors.> Flash drives with 320 MB are available now and 1 GB drives will probably> be available by the end of the year ($$$$$$). I believe that with some

Just a word of warning. IIRC, flash memory is slower than ahard drive, on the order of floppy drive speeds for writes.Reads are nice and quick though.

--John H. [email protected]

Can someone tell me if flash memory is reasonable these days, interms of the number of write cycles it can handle before it startsto get flakey? Thanks.

--STeve Andre'[email protected]

At 04:57 PM 7/1/99 -0400, John Kim wrote:>On Wed, 30 Jun 1999, Paul Rubin wrote:>> >> I've bitten the bullet and gotten the quietest drive of them all, a>> totally silent 160 MB Viking PCMCIA type II flash card (about $350 now).>> >> I've used one flash-drive computer before (HP Omnibook 300 with 10 MB card)>> and loved it. The flash card beats the heck out of a hard drive.>> Rotating storage seems like a decaying monstrosity, like CRT monitors.>> Flash drives with 320 MB are available now and 1 GB drives will probably>> be available by the end of the year ($$$$$$). I believe that with some>>Just a word of warning. IIRC, flash memory is slower than a>hard drive, on the order of floppy drive speeds for writes.>Reads are nice and quick though.>>-->John H. Kim>[email protected]

What kind of RAM does the Thinkpad 570 take and cananyone suggest an inexpensive 3rd party source? Wouldbe looking to upgrade from 64 to 128 MB.

Thanks,

Henry

Hi there, I feel it's time to let the legend rest on my end. It's been sitting init's atache ever since the 770 came into view. I just can't afford to keepit. It's in good condition and I'd be glad to give it another home...Hereare the spec's:-486Dx/75Mhz-24mb ram(8 onboard + 16 added)(still have the extra 8mb dimm BTW)-720Mb HDD with Win95 and Office97-NiMH battery that'll hold a charge for around 1.5-2hrs depending on usage-original floppy drive and cable-floppy to parallel port converter cable-16bit snd-14.4 data/fax/voice modem-port replicator(the latch is broken however but works 100% perfectly)-will consider throwing in a home & away NIC if the price is right(yes,these 'lil suckers *do* work. And they work great IMHO...)-10.4" Active Matrix screen(only two bad pixels)-AC adaptor-original manual

The battery will ocasionally need to be 'reset'. This is when the systemthinks it's fully charged when it's not. Any TP701 owner knows that this iseasily fixable with a simple software program). Cosmeticly the usualwear-and-tear apply, but it is in good condition. The cover that covers theone back hinge is broken, but it doesn't look bad at all and does not effectanything either. Overall in my opinion this laptop is in great condition. Ifyou have any questions, feel free to e-mail or call.

In way of price, I think $425 is reasonable...Make me an offer! (reasonableoffers only pls) S&H added to the cost as well.

-Jamie717-597-9501

Since we're talking about bargain accessories for one's TP...www.compgeeks.com has 1.2 gig2.5" Travelstar drives for $49, and last week at Fry's in Sacramento I saw a Hi-Val 24X pcmciaexternal CD-ROM drive for about $60 (there was only one left).

- David R.

At 21:26 30/06/99 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote:>set the machine on a thermometer..>but you have no base line to compare against..>>you sure should feel air flow, but not much, and only after the machine turns>the fan on..

The spec sheet for the 600E (2645-[3458A]AU) indicates an "LM75 digitalthermometer" but the handfull of shareware and freeware temperaturemonitors I've tried which are supposed to access this all fail. Has anyonehad success?

-john

Hmmm..i'll BET that IBM has such a utility on their CE diskette or otherwise available..

maybe only to business partners and maybe (even!) to PC VAR's, like your truly...i WONDER who to call on this..

meantime, can you point me to some of these shareware applets.. ? :-)

John Fieber wrote:

> At 21:26 30/06/99 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote:> >set the machine on a thermometer..> >but you have no base line to compare against..> >> >you sure should feel air flow, but not much, and only after the machine turns> >the fan on..>> The spec sheet for the 600E (2645-[3458A]AU) indicates an "LM75 digital> thermometer" but the handfull of shareware and freeware temperature> monitors I've tried which are supposed to access this all fail. Has anyone> had success?>> -john



Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will vary, Doneon aclosed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home..

Speaking of fans, recently I have been getting error 192 on startup(intermittently) on my TP600 (266MHz). And I don't feel the same warm flowout the left-side vent hole. I'm sending it in for EZServe service shortly.Has anyone else experienced this?--------------------------------------------------------------------------Daniel D. Helfrich, Mechanical Systems Manager, EOS Chemistry ProjectNASA Goddard Space Flight Center, Code 543, Greenbelt, Maryland, USA 20771phone: (301)286-8481 fax: (301)286-1744 email: [email protected] Message-----From: Bill Morrow To: John Fieber Cc: J. Williams ; [email protected]

Date: Friday, July 02, 1999 11:34 AMSubject: Re: 770ED Fan

>Hmmm..>i'll BET that IBM has such a utility on their CE diskette or otherwiseavailable..>>maybe only to business partners and maybe (even!) to PC VAR's, like yourtruly...>i WONDER who to call on this..>>meantime, can you point me to some of these shareware applets.. ? :-)>

I'm wondering what it's reasonable to expect as to quietness. This newlaptop, with the 14.1 gig hd, is for my purposes remarkably noisy -- aconstant high whining noise that I find irritating. I sit with the machinefor hours, writing, and the noise is quite unpleasant, even when I havemusic playing. I don't know whether it's a problem with this drive/ thismachine, or whether it's "normal." I also read somewhere, I believe, aboutinterference noise caused by poor shielding in these machines, but don'tknow whether it could be that as opposed to the hard drive. Thanks. Allinput appreciated -- Jeff

There is variance between any two identical disks I'm afraid, and worseis the fact that all of them are more noisy than you'd like. My 4G diskon my 1451 i is louder than I'd like it be, but another 1451 I recentlysaw had a louder disk, so I stopped my mental objections--mine was better!

These small disks are a real engineering marvel, but with any such itemthere are tradeoffs. They are all optimized for size first above allelse, then power consumption. Noise is not far up on the design criterialist, as I understand it.

There certainly are things that could be done to dampen noise levels butthey all involve physical changes to the disk, adding weight, size andcost to the bottom line. Given the ever increasing noise pollution inour lives I don't think the disk people really see this as an issue,which is a pity. As I write this I'm more annoyed at my disks softwhining sound--but others I know who have laptops just look at me whenI've asked them about disk noise; they just don't care.

Now, it still could be the case that your disk is one of the reallynoisy ones, and maybe you could get it replaced. But I think you'll bein for a fight on that one; how does one determine whats reasonable?With an active matrix display at least, there is never any doubt as tobad pixels; everyone can see them and then argue about how many have tobe bad to be "bad". Not so with noise, alas.

Good luck with it and perhaps the noise will get better over time. I'veseen noise all but disappear before, and I have never understood that one.

--STeve Andre' [email protected]

At 12:31 PM 7/2/99 -0400, Jeffrey Baker & Bay James wrote:>I'm wondering what it's reasonable to expect as to quietness. This new>laptop, with the 14.1 gig hd, is for my purposes remarkably noisy -- a>constant high whining noise that I find irritating. I sit with the machine>for hours, writing, and the noise is quite unpleasant, even when I have>music playing. I don't know whether it's a problem with this drive/ this>machine, or whether it's "normal." I also read somewhere, I believe, about>interference noise caused by poor shielding in these machines, but don't>know whether it could be that as opposed to the hard drive. Thanks. All>input appreciated -- Jeff

Hi, I was wondering if anyone could help me with getting some information.I have a TP 770ED (9549-5AU) and am looking at getting another HD for mysystem to be used in the UltraBay - i.e. along side the internal HD. I havefound some good prices for HD's on some auction sites (IBM TravelstarDrives) and called some people at IBM's tech support for information onwhether it would work with my system. One said that it would work butanother claimed that the only drives I can use are Thinkpad drives (yes,with the name in front of HD...) I wanted to know if anyone has had anyluck specifically with other brand HD's for use in the UltraBay on the 770series. Before I shell out the money at an auction for a drive I cannotuse, I want to actually make sure it is possible. (I'm just not in aposition to shell out 1/3 the cost of my machine for another HD...)

Thanks for any help!Steve

________________________________________________________________________Steven N. Fettig Network Development & Management Hillsdale College Hillsdale, MIEmail:[email protected] Viking card on my 770 (it reports itself as the wrong kind of card)> and Viking tech support hasn't been much help. I will have to> reproduce the problem under Windoze 95 before I can get them to do> something about it, and I haven't had time for that.> Please keep us posted on this. I have a Pretec flash card whichsteadfastly refuses to play with my TP770ED. It does all sortsof weird things under Windows 95. My SanDisk 10MB works fine.

This is really annoying since my previous Laptop, a Tecra 730XCDT,worked perfectly with both of my ATA flash cards...

IBM support was not able to arrive at a solution for this.

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I called warehouse and the order taker wanted the part numbers from theflyer (different from the regular ones on the web site) in order to givethe special prices. Does somebody have the part numbers for the 560battery and the 56w power adapter? I'd appreciate it if someone sentthese to me.

Thanks,Tom Rockwell

>John,

>Thanks very much for the notice about the great deal. I called Micro>Warehouse and ordered them that way and got 2 $24.95 batteries.>Unfortunately, I ordered a $99.95 from PC Zone a week ago, but who can>really complain about 3 batteries for $150?

>How can I get on that mailer?

>Matthew > > > > > > Got some interesting mail from Micro Warehouse today on IBM Thinkpad> > accessories. ALl are prices after a $25 rebate> > > > TP 560 batteries $24.95!!!!!> > 56w AC Adapter for thinkpad 600 $19.95> > Internal 100MB Zip Drive $49.95> > > > Those seem to be the biggest bargains, but there are some other> > specials.> > > > Follow these procedures.> > > > warehouse.com/ibmopmail> > or 800-551-9577> > Source code P95x20> > > > > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-> > John M. Higgins > > Broadcasting & Cable Magazine > > [email protected] > > v)212-337-7024/f)212-337-7028 > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Hi,

I've just recently replaces a 365 with a 560E and am really happy with itthough I am missing an advanced control panel under Win 95.I've installed the DOS and Win utility disks but do not have an advancedoption for the power management functions. Before I installed Win 95 fromscratch, there was Windows 98 installed - I had a special Thinkpad entryin the control panel then. Is there a special feature disk for the 560available ? I haven't actually found anything on the installation cd andnothing on IBM's web site.

Regards,

Steffan

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I'v been looking at the 770 as my next system and I found this ad on theinternet. The seller seems flaky, so I just want to be sure that thismachine/model actually exists. If so, can someone tell me the model/type? Itis brand spankin' new in the box. What is the 12Mb SGRAM? If this is videoram, I thought that the max VRAM that the 770 had was 8mb...And how can thesound card be 64 bit if it's on an ISA bus?

Thanks a lot!-Jamie

IBM ThinkPad 770 Series--Pentium II 366MHz MMX 14.1 Active Matrix Display(1024 x 768) 128Mb of Ram expandable to 288Mb 9.1 gig hd 56k MODEM DVD CDROM Dual Battery Support 12MB SGRAM 64 Bit Sound w/voice recognition w/ CarAdapter Super Light Weight, Super Slim (New Design)

I have ordered and received the battery for the ThinkPad 560 fromMicrowarhouse.

The Item Number shown on the document I received with the shipment is

AA1520

Good luck.

John Callahan

At 04:00 PM 7/2/99 -0400, Tom Rockwell wrote:>I called warehouse and the order taker wanted the part numbers fromthe>flyer (different from the regular ones on the web site) in order togive>the special prices. Does somebody have the part numbers for the 560>battery and the 56w power adapter? I'd appreciate it if someonesent>these to me. >>Thanks,>Tom Rockwell>>>>>John,>>>Thanks very much for the notice about the great deal. I calledMicro>>Warehouse and ordered them that way and got 2 $24.95 batteries.>>Unfortunately, I ordered a $99.95 from PC Zone a week ago, but whocan>>really complain about 3 batteries for $150?>>>How can I get on that mailer?>>>Matthew >> > >> > >> > Got some interesting mail from Micro Warehouse today on IBMThinkpad>> > accessories. ALl are prices after a $25 rebate>> > >> > TP 560 batteries $24.95!!!!!>> > 56w AC Adapter for thinkpad 600 $19.95>> > Internal 100MB Zip Drive $49.95>> > >> > Those seem to be the biggest bargains, but there are some other>> > specials.>> > >> > Follow these procedures.>> > >> > warehouse.com/ibmopmail>> > or 800-551-9577>> > Source code P95x20>> > >> > >> > >> > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=->> > John M. Higgins >> > Broadcasting & Cable Magazine >> > [email protected] >> > v)212-337-7024/f)212-337-7028 >> > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=->>

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The original 720 MB on my 701C was much quieter than the spare720 MB, which in turns is quieter than the 6.4 GBwhich replaced it. All are IBM made. The fact that I boughtthe latter two through inexpensive channels may have a bearing.Perhaps IBM takes the quieter part of the production run!?

If power consumption is an issue, it's too bad that they can'treduce the power wasted as noise. Or modify its frequency. Alow hum like the background noise of Star Trek TNG wouldn't beso offensive. Or make the sound more musical. Or perhapssomebody could invent a "caddy" which would baffle the sound inlaptops, or "bread" between which to sandwich a hard drive in adesktop. OK, sure, they need to be able to dissipate heat, buta sound insulator isn't necessarily a heat insulator.

--cheersJonathan

a high whining noise is NOT to be expected..if its the HDD, then get it swapped out..if its coming from the speakers, it might be a software problem..i'm sure the shielding is sufficient, but is it the HDD or....?

Jeffrey Baker & Bay James wrote:

> I'm wondering what it's reasonable to expect as to quietness. This new> laptop, with the 14.1 gig hd, is for my purposes remarkably noisy -- a> constant high whining noise that I find irritating. I sit with the machine> for hours, writing, and the noise is quite unpleasant, even when I have> music playing. I don't know whether it's a problem with this drive/ this> machine, or whether it's "normal." I also read somewhere, I believe, about> interference noise caused by poor shielding in these machines, but don't> know whether it could be that as opposed to the hard drive. Thanks. All> input appreciated -- Jeff




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Well, I would buy one of them off you if you wanted to sell one off ;)

The problem is that I'm in Malaysia, and MicroWarehouse only ships to USaddresses. Dang :) I wouldn't mind paying for the shipping, plus a littlecommision for your trouble and effort, if any kind soul out there who isordering one would be kind enough to order another for me :)

> -----Original Message-----> From: M. Kokaly [mailto:[email protected]]> Sent: 02 July 1999 12:54 AM> To: John Higgins> Cc: Thinkpad list> Subject: Re: Interesting TP accessory prices>>> John,>> Thanks very much for the notice about the great deal. I called Micro> Warehouse and ordered them that way and got 2 $24.95 batteries.> Unfortunately, I ordered a $99.95 from PC Zone a week ago, but who can> really complain about 3 batteries for $150?>> How can I get on that mailer?>> Matthew> >

Many thanks to those folks who gave me suggestions as to what neededto be in my Config.sys to get my internal modem working. UnfortunatelyI couldn't figure it out due to either missing statements, incorrectorder or countless other things. However, I have managed to get theinstallation to work properly by using up 2GB of disk space bycreating some dummy files - how do I get this info through to someoneat IBM? This is a huge bug in the installation routine! The README.TXTinsists that 'No installation errors have been reported'!!!! It also says to contact product support if a problem is encountered,without actually giving any contact info... :-(.

Now that it is installed I see the same lines as given to me byletoured, so I'm not sure why it didn't work - I had updated all thepath statements as well...

One thing I haven't figured out is how do I get the internal modem touse COM1? Can't see any options for doing this...

-- John

I finally gave up trying to upgrade my TP600 modem and reloaded the originalshipped modem program. What was the fix? What words do I add to myconfig.sys?

Ed----- Original Message -----From: John Poltorak To: Sent: Saturday, July 03, 1999 7:08 AMSubject: [TP600] internal modem

> Many thanks to those folks who gave me suggestions as to what needed> to be in my Config.sys to get my internal modem working. Unfortunately> I couldn't figure it out due to either missing statements, incorrect> order or countless other things. However, I have managed to get the> installation to work properly by using up 2GB of disk space by> creating some dummy files - how do I get this info through to someone> at IBM? This is a huge bug in the installation routine! The README.TXT> insists that 'No installation errors have been reported'!!!!> It also says to contact product support if a problem is encountered,> without actually giving any contact info... :-(.>> Now that it is installed I see the same lines as given to me by> letoured, so I'm not sure why it didn't work - I had updated all the> path statements as well...>> One thing I haven't figured out is how do I get the internal modem to> use COM1? Can't see any options for doing this...>>> --> John>>

>installation to work properly by using up 2GB of disk space by creating>some dummy files - how do I get this info through to someone at IBM? This>is a huge bug in the installation routine!

I use to see stuff like this back in the days of DOS. If the installationis on a partition larger then 2gb it failed. I forgot the cause of it, butit looks like they have managed to extend the problem from DOS to all itsPretty Brothers. --And Bill Gates said DOS is dead.

>One thing I haven't figured out is how do I get the internal modem to use>COM1? Can't see any options for doing this...

You have to install the Thinkpad Configuration program and set it there.(this is another cobbed up installation routine).

I doubt either of these will ever be fixed because the PC Company will endall OS2 support for the TP 600 at the end of the year. --At least thatwas what I was told two months ago.

I can't find the e-mail addresses that I had for OS2 support, but you canreport a problem through the "contact us " screens on the Thinkpad supportweb site. Sometimes they get back right away. Sometimes it takes awhile.

Ed Letourneau

[email protected]

I have installed Windows2000 on a ThinkPad 770ED, and the basic programworks fine. My question concerns the Video Capture driver on IBM's website. They say it is for 770x and 770z with enhanced video adapter. Nomention of the 770ED, but I seem to think it is the same video adapter asfits the x and z models.

Has anyone tried this driver in a 770ED?

TIA

Richard

>I finally gave up trying to upgrade my TP600 modem and reloaded the>original shipped modem program. What was the fix? What words do I add>to my config.sys?

This problem was in the installation of OS2 drivers. If you're using Wxxsomone else will have to jump in.

[email protected]

Last year sometime I remember some talk about replacing some files inwin95b to make the Home&Away cards work. Does any one recall what thosefiles were??

The card has been patched with the win95 fix.

Thanks..

Michael Cummings

Hi there,

I have a pack of 10 IBM trackpoint covers - all with the smooth top,not the abrasive top. (They are marked "P/N 84G6537" on the bag") Iuse the abravise kind and have no use for these smooth top one's.

Is anyone interested in these?

Nick--THE DAILY DAMON: http://www.thedailydamon.clara.net

I am embarrassed to show my ignorance on these topics, but if I don't Iwon't find out what I want to know.

Can anyone point me to FAQs on DVDs in general, DVDs in Thinkpads, andDVDs and OS/2? I understand that DVDs can be run using hardware andsoftware methods; is that correct? I want to explore the possibilityof putting a DVD drive in my Thinkpad 385XD.

If your ThinkPad is Active Color, and has a Zoom Video PCMCIA port, youmay be able to use the Portable DVD drive made by EXP (www.EXPNET.com),along with a Margi decoder card.You will NEVER find drivers for OS2. This is a W95-98 setup ONLY.

Alex Bell wrote:> > I am embarrassed to show my ignorance on these topics, but if I don't I> won't find out what I want to know.> > Can anyone point me to FAQs on DVDs in general, DVDs in Thinkpads, and> DVDs and OS/2? I understand that DVDs can be run using hardware and> software methods; is that correct? I want to explore the possibility> of putting a DVD drive in my Thinkpad 385XD.

Hi..

I have a 701c with a broke battery clip. IBM wants 125.00 for a base asm.that contains the clip/latch. Does anyone have a broke/dead one that they would part with for a amountless than the new base???

Thanks..

Michael Cummings

This is the June 28, 1999 revision of the official Internet DVD FAQ for therec.video.dvd Usenet newsgroups.

http://www.videodiscovery.com/vdyweb/dvd/dvdfaq.html#1

Enjoy!

David

----- Original Message -----From: Alex Bell To: Thinkpad Mailing List Sent: Saturday, July 03, 1999 2:14 PMSubject: DVDs, Thinkpads, and OS/2

> I am embarrassed to show my ignorance on these topics, but if I don't I> won't find out what I want to know.>> Can anyone point me to FAQs on DVDs in general, DVDs in Thinkpads, and> DVDs and OS/2? I understand that DVDs can be run using hardware and> software methods; is that correct? I want to explore the possibility> of putting a DVD drive in my Thinkpad 385XD.>>>>

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Well, I've taken the plunge and installed Redhat 6.0 on the partitioned harddrive of my 380XD. Everything went fine until I tried getting monitorsupport for Xwindows. Things just go blank. I have an external NECMultisync XP17 attached. That particular monitor isn't listed as a choiceso I tried the XE17. Tried a few other things as well but without success.

If anyone has any suggestions I would appreciate it.

ThanksPat

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Indeed! Go back to NT :-)

On Mon, 5 Jul 1999, Bill Morrow wrote:

> Gentlemen...> > OK, i took this 600E with the NT preload (which runs beautifully, BTW)> and loaded the win98 preload on it..> this preload was for an older version of the 600E, so to make it work> correctly i applied all the updates utilities and drivers..> all works FINE under win98 1st edition as supplied by IBM..> > NOW, the trouble comes when i try to upgrade to win98 2nd edition...> it loads well, up to the point of the win98 setup window which sets up:> > Control Panel> Programs on the Start Menu> Windows Help> MS-DOS program settings> Tuning up Application Start> System Configueration> > the whole thing gets stuck on the "Programs on the Start Menu" item...> > this has occured while trying to load win98 2nd edition fresh and over> the preload as described above..> > anyone have any thoughts on this..?> > > --> Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails...> > ** Bill Morrow ** :-)> WEB page http://thinkpads.com> Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html> Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop> e-mail: [email protected], [email protected]> 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al...> > Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will> vary, Done on a> closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home..> > >

Gentlemen...

OK, i took this 600E with the NT preload (which runs beautifully, BTW)and loaded the win98 preload on it..this preload was for an older version of the 600E, so to make it workcorrectly i applied all the updates utilities and drivers..all works FINE under win98 1st edition as supplied by IBM..

NOW, the trouble comes when i try to upgrade to win98 2nd edition...it loads well, up to the point of the win98 setup window which sets up:

Control PanelPrograms on the Start MenuWindows HelpMS-DOS program settingsTuning up Application StartSystem Configueration

the whole thing gets stuck on the "Programs on the Start Menu" item...

this has occured while trying to load win98 2nd edition fresh and overthe preload as described above..

anyone have any thoughts on this..?



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Make sure that you have the latest BIOS. It has some ACPI fixes and theymay be important.

David

----- Original Message -----From: Bill Morrow To: ThinkPad List Sent: Monday, July 05, 1999 1:06 PMSubject: TP600E and win98SE

> Gentlemen...>> OK, i took this 600E with the NT preload (which runs beautifully, BTW)> and loaded the win98 preload on it..> this preload was for an older version of the 600E, so to make it work> correctly i applied all the updates utilities and drivers..> all works FINE under win98 1st edition as supplied by IBM..>> NOW, the trouble comes when i try to upgrade to win98 2nd edition...> it loads well, up to the point of the win98 setup window which sets up:>> Control Panel> Programs on the Start Menu> Windows Help> MS-DOS program settings> Tuning up Application Start> System Configueration>> the whole thing gets stuck on the "Programs on the Start Menu" item...>> this has occured while trying to load win98 2nd edition fresh and over> the preload as described above..>> anyone have any thoughts on this..?>>> --> Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails...>> ** Bill Morrow ** :-)> WEB page http://thinkpads.com> Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html> Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop> e-mail: [email protected], [email protected]> 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al...>> Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will> vary, Done on a> closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home..>>>

already did the newest bios..when i did the win98 load..the machine was actually singing along like a champ..in fact, its SO NICE i really want to keep the thing..but i can't fall in love with these machines.. :-o !

i'm going to put the drive in my 770Z and take a look at the log file..

David W. Taylor wrote:

> Make sure that you have the latest BIOS. It has some ACPI fixes and they> may be important.>> David>> -

**SNIP**




Hello,

I am new to this list.

I use a Thinkpad760 CD with a p90, 64Mb Viking RAM, and twoIBM 3.0 gig drives. Also two 850 Mb drives for storage, and backupof the original IBM dose95 preload.

Tomorrow I pick up a mainboard with a p120 cpu, and hope it wilimprove things a little bit, particulaly PowerPoint slides.

I am interested in learning more about the unit's multimediafeatures for making presentations.

I think I see how to capture motion video, but am a little hazy onstill images.

Can a slide projector be hooked to this machine for capturingthe slides? So far I don't see how.

Though woefully underpowered by today's standards -- evenwith a p120 -- the 760CD is an ideal multimedia/presentationlaptop -- if only one can decipher all its many engineeringmarvels.

Thanks in advance.

Allan Ballard

If you wait long enough, it will eventually continue, but it takes a LONGtime looking for the non-existent floppy drive.

Richard

At 08:53 PM 7/5/99 -0500, Eric Giles wrote:>Bill->>I am assuming that you have the CD-ROM/DVD drive in the drive bay. Do you>happen to have the floppy drive hooked up with the external cable at the>same time? I ran into almost the same thing when I originally upgraded my>770ED to win98. I remembered from many desktop installs that this is at the>point that it accesses the floppy drive. Hooking up the floppy drive solved>the installation hang.>>Hope this helps!>>Eric Giles>>NOW, the trouble comes when i try to upgrade to win98 2nd edition...>>it loads well, up to the point of the win98 setup window which sets up:>>>>Control Panel>>Programs on the Start Menu>>Windows Help>>MS-DOS program settings>>Tuning up Application Start>>System Configueration>>>>the whole thing gets stuck on the "Programs on the Start Menu" item...>>>>this has occured while trying to load win98 2nd edition fresh and over>>the preload as described above..>>>>anyone have any thoughts on this..?>>>>>>-->>Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails...>>>>** Bill Morrow ** :-)>>WEB page http://thinkpads.com>>Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html>>Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop>>e-mail: [email protected], [email protected]>>770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al...>>>>Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will>>vary, Done on a>>closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home..>>>>

Bill-

I am assuming that you have the CD-ROM/DVD drive in the drive bay. Do youhappen to have the floppy drive hooked up with the external cable at thesame time? I ran into almost the same thing when I originally upgraded my770ED to win98. I remembered from many desktop installs that this is at thepoint that it accesses the floppy drive. Hooking up the floppy drive solvedthe installation hang.

Hope this helps!

Eric Giles

NOW, the trouble comes when i try to upgrade to win98 2nd edition...>it loads well, up to the point of the win98 setup window which sets up:>>Control Panel>Programs on the Start Menu>Windows Help>MS-DOS program settings>Tuning up Application Start>System Configueration>>the whole thing gets stuck on the "Programs on the Start Menu" item...>>this has occured while trying to load win98 2nd edition fresh and over>the preload as described above..>>anyone have any thoughts on this..?>>>-->Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails...>>** Bill Morrow ** :-)>WEB page http://thinkpads.com>Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html>Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop>e-mail: [email protected], [email protected]>770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al...>>Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will>vary, Done on a>closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home..>>

i plugged in the external floppy and i am now waiting so see if it gets pastthis hang up..i was going to read the log file, but that can wait a bit.. :-)

AND, guess what..?!it got past it..!!

more in a minute.. :-))

Eric Giles wrote:

> Bill->> I am assuming that you have the CD-ROM/DVD drive in the drive bay. Do you> happen to have the floppy drive hooked up with the external cable at the> same time? I ran into almost the same thing when I originally upgraded my> 770ED to win98. I remembered from many desktop installs that this is at the> point that it accesses the floppy drive. Hooking up the floppy drive solved> the installation hang.>> Hope this helps!>> Eric Giles>> NOW, the trouble comes when i try to upgrade to win98 2nd edition...> >it loads well, up to the point of the win98 setup window which sets up:> >> >Control Panel> >Programs on the Start Menu> >Windows Help> >MS-DOS program settings> >Tuning up Application Start> >System Configueration> >> >the whole thing gets stuck on the "Programs on the Start Menu" item...> >> >this has occured while trying to load win98 2nd edition fresh and over> >the preload as described above..> >> >anyone have any thoughts on this..?> >> >> >--> >Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails...> >> >** Bill Morrow ** :-)> >WEB page http://thinkpads.com> >Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html> >Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop> >e-mail: [email protected], [email protected]> >770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al...> >> >Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will> >vary, Done on a> >closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home..> >> >




richard..looks like you were right..

now its on that little windows 98 setup window, updating system settings..

Richard Chalk wrote:

> If you wait long enough, it will eventually continue, but it takes a LONG> time looking for the non-existent floppy drive.>> Richard>> At 08:53 PM 7/5/99 -0500, Eric Giles wrote:> >Bill-> >> >I am assuming that you have the CD-ROM/DVD drive in the drive bay. Do you> >happen to have the floppy drive hooked up with the external cable at the> >same time? I ran into almost the same thing when I originally upgraded my> >770ED to win98. I remembered from many desktop installs that this is at the> >point that it accesses the floppy drive. Hooking up the floppy drive solved> >the installation hang.> >> >Hope this helps!> >> >Eric Giles> >> >NOW, the trouble comes when i try to upgrade to win98 2nd edition...> >>it loads well, up to the point of the win98 setup window which sets up:> >>> >>Control Panel> >>Programs on the Start Menu> >>Windows Help> >>MS-DOS program settings> >>Tuning up Application Start> >>System Configueration> >>> >>the whole thing gets stuck on the "Programs on the Start Menu" item...> >>> >>this has occured while trying to load win98 2nd edition fresh and over> >>the preload as described above..> >>> >>anyone have any thoughts on this..?> >>> >>> >>--> >>Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails...> >>> >>** Bill Morrow ** :-)> >>WEB page http://thinkpads.com> >>Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html> >>Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop> >>e-mail: [email protected], [email protected]> >>770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al...> >>> >>Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will> >>vary, Done on a> >>closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home..> >>> >>




richard.. Eric..looks like you were both right..

now its on that little windows 98 setup window, updating system settings..

and

finally done..and i see no differences thus far..

not sure the floppy being there or not had anything to do with it..

another interesting thing, when it came to the serial number window, the 25character serial number was already displayed..!

Richard Chalk wrote:

> If you wait long enough, it will eventually continue, but it takes a LONG> time looking for the non-existent floppy drive.>> Richard>> At 08:53 PM 7/5/99 -0500, Eric Giles wrote:> >Bill-> >> >I am assuming that you have the CD-ROM/DVD drive in the drive bay. Do you> >happen to have the floppy drive hooked up with the external cable at the> >same time? I ran into almost the same thing when I originally upgraded my> >770ED to win98. I remembered from many desktop installs that this is at the> >point that it accesses the floppy drive. Hooking up the floppy drive solved> >the installation hang.> >> >Hope this helps!> >> >Eric Giles> >> >NOW, the trouble comes when i try to upgrade to win98 2nd edition...> >>it loads well, up to the point of the win98 setup window which sets up:> >>> >>Control Panel> >>Programs on the Start Menu> >>Windows Help> >>MS-DOS program settings> >>Tuning up Application Start> >>System Configueration> >>> >>the whole thing gets stuck on the "Programs on the Start Menu" item...> >>> >>this has occured while trying to load win98 2nd edition fresh and over> >>the preload as described above..> >>> >>anyone have any thoughts on this..?> >>> >>> >>--> >>Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails...> >>> >>** Bill Morrow ** :-)> >>WEB page http://thinkpads.com> >>Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html> >>Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop> >>e-mail: [email protected], [email protected]> >>770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al...> >>> >>Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage will> >>vary, Done on a> >>closed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home..> >>> >>




How do I tell how much video ram there is in my TP600 (2645-4500) ?

--John

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"Pat Presidente" writes:

> Well, I've taken the plunge and installed Redhat 6.0 on the partitioned hard> drive of my 380XD. Everything went fine until I tried getting monitor> support for Xwindows. Things just go blank. I have an external NEC> Multisync XP17 attached. That particular monitor isn't listed as a choice> so I tried the XE17. Tried a few other things as well but without success.

This may be a dumb suggestion that you've already tried, but I haveseen TP machines that required you to use the "switch to externalmonitor" key sequence (ALT-FN7) a few times for video to appear.

Peace, dNb

Hi there. I was wondering if there was a video teleconference/capture cardin PCMCIA format for my aging TP600.

I would be using it under Win and Linux and OS/2 (haven't yet decided!),so having drivers for these OS's would be a plus.

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On 06-Jul-99 David N. Blank-Edelman extemporized:

> "Pat Presidente" writes:> >> Well, I've taken the plunge and installed Redhat 6.0 on the partitioned hard>> drive of my 380XD. Everything went fine until I tried getting monitor>> support for Xwindows. Things just go blank. I have an external NEC>> Multisync XP17 attached. That particular monitor isn't listed as a choice>> so I tried the XE17. Tried a few other things as well but without success.> > This may be a dumb suggestion that you've already tried, but I have> seen TP machines that required you to use the "switch to external> monitor" key sequence (ALT-FN7) a few times for video to appear.>

Same here on a 560e. I've tried both XFree and AcceleratedX, and both refuseto display anything until I've ed twice. Even stranger - if I use to return to tty1 I have to twice again to get it todisplay. Anyone have ideas on what has changed between 5.2 and 6.0 wrt Xdisplaying?

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> to display anything until I've ed twice. Even stranger - if I use> to return to tty1 I have to twice again to get it to> display. Anyone have ideas on what has changed between 5.2 and 6.0 wrt X> displaying?

Hi,

I am using the supplied SVGA X-server with RH 6.0 and have nothad any problems at all - I was quite impressed ! I had anticipatedmore troubles setting up Linux on a Thinkpad. Even the parallel CDworks without a prob. Contact me if you are looking for an XF86Configfor the 560.

Regards,

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Following are CPU and memory tests, comparinga p90/p120 Thinkpad 760CD. The unit has 64Mb Ram.

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Hi there, I think that this is the best way to sell something, and I'm more thanwilling to let it go at 300buks. It's currently at 300 and it looks to staythat way! Pick up this little gem for yourself, you're regret it if you'venever owned a 701! Visa/mastercard accepted online!

-Jamie

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Hi, I'm back again.I have a thinkpad 340 (in addition to a couple of 701s) and want to install a 540MB HD from a 701 in the 340.

I've installed it physically - the pins & size all match, but the 340 hangs up.

Do I need a BIOS upgrade, or is this an impossible thing, or...

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Tom..most likely bios related..get the latest bios (if they even still list it) and try again..that 340 is quite old and a 540meg drive was unheard of at that time..

Tom Trottier wrote:

> Hi, I'm back again.> I have a thinkpad 340 (in addition to a couple of 701s) and want to> install a 540MB HD from a 701 in the 340.>> I've installed it physically - the pins & size all match, but the 340> hangs up.>> Do I need a BIOS upgrade, or is this an impossible thing, or...>> TIA, Tom> ------------------> From: Tom Trottier, President, ACT Productions Inc.> [email protected] http://www.act.ca> +1 613 594-4829 fax +1 613 594-8944> 199 Holmwood Ave, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada K1S 2P3> "Make it as simple as possible, but no simpler" - Einstein



Including, but not limited to, Subject to prior sale, Your mileage willvary, Done on aclosed road with a professional driver AND Do not try this at home..

Hi Jamie,

You're right to be skeptical about this seller. Besides the factthat the 770Z and X model come with up to 8 MB of video RAM (not12 indeed), the 14.1" version comes with only 4 MB (the 13.7" isthe only with 8 MB). Since it's a 366 Mhz machine, it should bea 770Z, which is the only one running at that speed. But they comewith 14.1 GB harddisks only; the 9.1 GB is odd too, as far as Iknow no 770 ever came equipped with this kind of harddisk (4 GB,5.1 GB, 8 GB and 14.1 GB are common). The new 770's have RAM thatis expandable to 320 megabytes as well instead of the 288mentioned below. And audio will be 16 bit external, internalmight be better (64 bit). And be ware: the car adapter might besuper slim and light weight, the 770 is big and bulky (but anexcellent desktop replacement).

If it is an actual 770, it's an odd mix of 770ED, 770Z and non-770-native components.

All in all, I wouldn't trust this guy much.

Good luck,

Jeroen

Slip wrote:> > I'v been looking at the 770 as my next system and I found this ad on the> internet. The seller seems flaky, so I just want to be sure that this> machine/model actually exists. If so, can someone tell me the model/type? It> is brand spankin' new in the box. What is the 12Mb SGRAM? If this is video> ram, I thought that the max VRAM that the 770 had was 8mb...And how can the> sound card be 64 bit if it's on an ISA bus?> > Thanks a lot!> -Jamie> > IBM ThinkPad 770 Series--Pentium II 366MHz MMX 14.1 Active Matrix Display> (1024 x 768) 128Mb of Ram expandable to 288Mb 9.1 gig hd 56k MODEM DVD CD> ROM Dual Battery Support 12MB SGRAM 64 Bit Sound w/voice recognition w/ Car> Adapter Super Light Weight, Super Slim (New Design)

Is it possible to hot swap the Dvd Drive on a 770Z?

Thanks for any answers....

Tom Jones

Recently someone on the list mentioned a software based battery conditionerfor the TP 701. I have never read of this before; can someone offer apointer where this program may be downloaded?

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Could it be possible for me to ask your experience on warranty service?I bought a TP770 six weeks ago, but it turned out a defective one, soI immediately contacted IBM EasyServ Repair Center (even though I do not think it is "easy".). So far I repeated sending it there and getting it back as many as five times. Here is the history:

- first: they replaced the DC/DC card - second: they replaced both DC/DC card and CPU card - third: they replaced both CPU card and system board - fourth: they replaced both CPU card and system board - fifth: they replaced the CPU card

As you may see, they replaced the system board twice, CPU card four times,and DC/DC card twice. But it is still not working. The TP770 even does not go through the advanced test that is available through Easy Setup menu.I mean the advanced test, not the basic test. It fails just after it beginsthe test on address bus after completing memory refresh test. The test does not take more than 30 minutes, but I do not understand why they did not do that before returning it to me. When I've got my machine back after the fifth time, I just tested it, but it failed.

Do you have any idea of solving this problem? I have already spent lots oftime and effort with this matter. The IBM people told me that it is their policy not to allow the replacement of whole system. Is that right? It WAS a brand-new one, but it looks like a used one now since it has had to go to the service center five times. How terrible!

Any comments would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,Hyong-Shik Kim

You've been amazingly patient, I think. My suggestion would be tocall IBM and *DEMAND* a new unit. As soon as they say no, *INSIST*on talking to the next higher up person in charge, and be a completelypersistent about this and not take any more "no"s as an answer.

It is entirely understandable that for whatever reason, IBM made adud 770. That happens. But for them to have gone through five cyclesof not repairing it is a major blunder, and they need to know about that.

I normally always argue for reasoned dialog with people/companies, butthis has gone on far too long.

If you don't get satisfaction on this you should tell of this on thecomp.sys.laptop group such that others know of this.

Given how many things they've replaced, I wonder if your unit wasn'tsimply built using a faulty case, creating "pressure shorts", ie componentswhich have been stressed/moved about. I've seen this in radios, and thelaptops of today have things crammed in them to the extent that thingsmust fit just about perfectly, or strange things can happen.

Please let the list know what happens with this.

--STeve Andre'[email protected]

At 09:46 AM 7/8/99 -0500, Hyong-Shik Kim wrote:>>Could it be possible for me to ask your experience on warranty service?>I bought a TP770 six weeks ago, but it turned out a defective one, so>I immediately contacted IBM EasyServ Repair Center (even though I do not >think it is "easy".). So far I repeated sending it there and getting itback >as many as five times. Here is the history:>> - first: they replaced the DC/DC card> - second: they replaced both DC/DC card and CPU card> - third: they replaced both CPU card and system board> - fourth: they replaced both CPU card and system board> - fifth: they replaced the CPU card>>As you may see, they replaced the system board twice, CPU card four times,>and DC/DC card twice. But it is still not working. The TP770 even does >not go through the advanced test that is available through Easy Setup menu.>I mean the advanced test, not the basic test. It fails just after it begins>the test on address bus after completing memory refresh test. The test >does not take more than 30 minutes, but I do not understand why they did not >do that before returning it to me. When I've got my machine back after >the fifth time, I just tested it, but it failed. >>Do you have any idea of solving this problem? I have already spent lots of>time and effort with this matter. The IBM people told me that it is their >policy not to allow the replacement of whole system. Is that right? >It WAS a brand-new one, but it looks like a used one now since it has had >to go to the service center five times. How terrible!>>Any comments would be greatly appreciated.>>Thanks,>Hyong-Shik Kim

There is one important question to ask.

Did you buy the unit new or was it a used unit that was known to be dead?

David

----- Original Message -----From: Hyong-Shik Kim To: Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 7:46 AMSubject: Warranty service?

>> Could it be possible for me to ask your experience on warranty service?> I bought a TP770 six weeks ago, but it turned out a defective one, so> I immediately contacted IBM EasyServ Repair Center (even though I do not> think it is "easy".). So far I repeated sending it there and getting itback> as many as five times. Here is the history:>> - first: they replaced the DC/DC card> - second: they replaced both DC/DC card and CPU card> - third: they replaced both CPU card and system board> - fourth: they replaced both CPU card and system board> - fifth: they replaced the CPU card>> As you may see, they replaced the system board twice, CPU card four times,> and DC/DC card twice. But it is still not working. The TP770 even does> not go through the advanced test that is available through Easy Setupmenu.> I mean the advanced test, not the basic test. It fails just after itbegins> the test on address bus after completing memory refresh test. The test> does not take more than 30 minutes, but I do not understand why they didnot> do that before returning it to me. When I've got my machine back after> the fifth time, I just tested it, but it failed.>> Do you have any idea of solving this problem? I have already spent lotsof> time and effort with this matter. The IBM people told me that it is their> policy not to allow the replacement of whole system. Is that right?> It WAS a brand-new one, but it looks like a used one now since it has had> to go to the service center five times. How terrible!>> Any comments would be greatly appreciated.>> Thanks,> Hyong-Shik Kim>

I bought a TP770 as a BRAND-NEW one, and I found it was defective justat the second day. When I tried to return it to the shop (pczone.com),they insisted they could not accept any return for IBM laptop computers.It was about six weeks ago. Can I contact them for possible return?Thanks.

Hyong-Shik Kim

According to David W. Taylor:> > There is one important question to ask.> > Did you buy the unit new or was it a used unit that was known to be dead?> > David> > ----- Original Message -----> From: Hyong-Shik Kim > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 7:46 AM> Subject: Warranty service?> > > >> > Could it be possible for me to ask your experience on warranty service?> > I bought a TP770 six weeks ago, but it turned out a defective one, so> > I immediately contacted IBM EasyServ Repair Center (even though I do not> > think it is "easy".). So far I repeated sending it there and getting it> back> > as many as five times. Here is the history:> >> > - first: they replaced the DC/DC card> > - second: they replaced both DC/DC card and CPU card> > - third: they replaced both CPU card and system board> > - fourth: they replaced both CPU card and system board> > - fifth: they replaced the CPU card> >> > As you may see, they replaced the system board twice, CPU card four times,> > and DC/DC card twice. But it is still not working. The TP770 even does> > not go through the advanced test that is available through Easy Setup> menu.> > I mean the advanced test, not the basic test. It fails just after it> begins> > the test on address bus after completing memory refresh test. The test> > does not take more than 30 minutes, but I do not understand why they did> not> > do that before returning it to me. When I've got my machine back after> > the fifth time, I just tested it, but it failed.> >> > Do you have any idea of solving this problem? I have already spent lots> of> > time and effort with this matter. The IBM people told me that it is their> > policy not to allow the replacement of whole system. Is that right?> > It WAS a brand-new one, but it looks like a used one now since it has had> > to go to the service center five times. How terrible!> >> > Any comments would be greatly appreciated.> >> > Thanks,> > Hyong-Shik Kim> >> >

For SaleIBM ThinkPad 600E - 2645-4AUPentium II - 366 Mhz

Additionally1.128MB Memory Module bringing total memory to 192 MB2.6.4 GB Hardrive3.VST Zip Drive4.DVD Drive For Ultrabay (had purchased separately original cd-rom driveincluded)

Originally paid $4,862.95 on 4/21/99 for the computer + the memory upgrade,zip drive & dvd drive (can produce invoice)

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Hi,

I'm desperately looking for someone who would allow me to try his 701battery in my laptop or alternatively try mine in his. Reason: I knowthat either the little chip inside the battery or its opposite numberinside the computer is broken, but don't know which, and IBM wouldcharge US$ 100,-- to tell me...

Of course all this is only reasonable if the battery could be send bymail, and at low cost, so I suppose I'm looking for an 701-owner inGermany or nearby.

Anybody who could help me --- or knows someone who could?

Thanks

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In this case, I would press IBM support ***VERY*** hard to get you a newunit.

PcZone and most other vendors will replace obviously broken items as aresult of shipping problems. This is an IBM problem though.

David

----- Original Message -----From: Hyong-Shik Kim To: David W. Taylor Cc: ; Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 10:14 AMSubject: Re: Warranty service?

>> I bought a TP770 as a BRAND-NEW one, and I found it was defective just> at the second day. When I tried to return it to the shop (pczone.com),> they insisted they could not accept any return for IBM laptop computers.> It was about six weeks ago. Can I contact them for possible return?> Thanks.>> Hyong-Shik Kim>> According to David W. Taylor:> >> > There is one important question to ask.> >> > Did you buy the unit new or was it a used unit that was known to bedead?> >> > David> >> > ----- Original Message -----> > From: Hyong-Shik Kim > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 1999 7:46 AM> > Subject: Warranty service?> >> >> > >> > > Could it be possible for me to ask your experience on warrantyservice?> > > I bought a TP770 six weeks ago, but it turned out a defective one, so> > > I immediately contacted IBM EasyServ Repair Center (even though I donot> > > think it is "easy".). So far I repeated sending it there and gettingit> > back> > > as many as five times. Here is the history:> > >> > > - first: they replaced the DC/DC card> > > - second: they replaced both DC/DC card and CPU card> > > - third: they replaced both CPU card and system board> > > - fourth: they replaced both CPU card and system board> > > - fifth: they replaced the CPU card> > >> > > As you may see, they replaced the system board twice, CPU card fourtimes,> > > and DC/DC card twice. But it is still not working. The TP770 evendoes> > > not go through the advanced test that is available through Easy Setup> > menu.> > > I mean the advanced test, not the basic test. It fails just after it> > begins> > > the test on address bus after completing memory refresh test. Thetest> > > does not take more than 30 minutes, but I do not understand why theydid> > not> > > do that before returning it to me. When I've got my machine backafter> > > the fifth time, I just tested it, but it failed.> > >> > > Do you have any idea of solving this problem? I have already spentlots> > of> > > time and effort with this matter. The IBM people told me that it istheir> > > policy not to allow the replacement of whole system. Is that right?> > > It WAS a brand-new one, but it looks like a used one now since it hashad> > > to go to the service center five times. How terrible!> > >> > > Any comments would be greatly appreciated.> > >> > > Thanks,> > > Hyong-Shik Kim> > >> >> >>>

Update: I downloaded the latest system BIOS for the 340 (It said 340CSE, the colour model...) & tried to install it. The messages said that it failed - "System Program File not found"After repeating downloads & diskette creations (you have to boot with the BIOS updating diskette), it still acted the same way.Well, I tried the HD anyway, and... it worked. FDISK & Format worked & I have a 512MB C drive and a rump 3MB recovery drive (I did this to keep the cluster size down.)I don't know if I prefer error messages that are in error, or error messages which are accurate....Now if I can get the ZIP drive to work on it, I can reload the s/w.

Tom

(re:Re: TP340 HD upgrade)On 7 Jul 99, at 17:26, Bill Morrow wrote:

> Tom..> most likely bios related..> get the latest bios (if they even still list it) and try again..> that 340 is quite old and a 540meg drive was unheard of at that time..> > Tom Trottier wrote:> > > Hi, I'm back again.> > I have a thinkpad 340 (in addition to a couple of 701s) and want to> > install a 540MB HD from a 701 in the 340.> >> > I've installed it physically - the pins & size all match, but the 340> > hangs up.> >> > Do I need a BIOS upgrade, or is this an impossible thing, or...> >> > TIA, Tom...> Live Long and Prosper, Happy trails...> > ** Bill Morrow ** :-)> WEB page http://thinkpads.com> Thinkpad User Community: http://thinkpads.com/enter.html> Compuserve Thinkpad(c) Forum Sysop> e-mail: [email protected], [email protected]> 770Z-8AU, 760ED, 760CD, (5)701C, 560E, 755CE, 750C et al...> > Including, but n

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