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by zanshi 15 Jul 2010, 11:52

I actually wanted to post this tutorial later but yeah... whatever

this is a in-depth guide to the structure of hardstyle, focused on the at the moment typical "intro-

midintro-break-climax-midouttro-outtro"-pattern and newer hardstyle sounddesign

I'll also talk a little about anti-climaxes and oldschool aswell but it's mainly focused on what i just

wrote above.

I hope you guys will appreciate this tutorial, it's basically most of the stuff i learned about

hardstyle composing over the last year of producing, analyzing and simply using my ears when

listening to this kind of music

have fun reading, learning, listening and composing!

sara

Index:

1) The Basic Patterns

2) Percussion, Instruments and FX

3) Melodies & Rhythmics

1) The Basic Patterns

The most common pattern at the moment is the "intro-midintro-break-climax-midouttro-

outtro"-pattern

As an example I chose Headhunterz - Rock Civilization

Everybody knows this track so it will be easy to explain what I want to tell

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0:00-0:53: this is the intro

Intros feature the basic percussion and after 16-32 bars the kick hits in

Intros are mostly important for mixing, less for listening, as a producer you mostly have to

accept that this part maybe won't be heard by the audience, which is btw no excuse for making

it uninteresting.

the DJ's will hear it and those people are the ones who choose what an audience will hear

Headhunterz chose to first bring a clap a screech and some rides in, then a noise-rise does the

transition to the bassline...

0:53-1:50 this is the midintro

In the mid-intro the first real characteristics of the track start to come out, this could be

certain sounds or screeches aswell as vocals and other stuff

sometimes also parts of the melodic pattern start to come out

when this part comes in the mix the audience will be already recognizing the track while the

other one is still played, fades out or is already faded out

Headhunterz chose to do a little break with the vocals and then let the bass come back in while

the vocals stutter at the "a-a-a-a..."

1:50-3:17 this is the break

Ohhh breaks! This is where the magic happens There are a few different kinds of breaks:

breaks which have two melodies, breaks which have a two parts with different instruments,

breaks with heavy vocal use, short breaks, long breaks etc etc... as a producer the break is

YOUR MAIN chance to give the track a certain feeling or to boost up the feeling and atmosphere

the track already has - as i said: this is where the magic happens! And it's also (mostly) the

main appearance of the melody or the melodic pattern the track follows

Newer hardstyle tracks mostly have very very melodic breaks with pads and plucky leads or also

piano, some even with very heavy vocal use (see: JDX feat. Sarah Maria - Live The Moment:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf6qQ93ARQ8 (http://www.youtube.com

/watch?v=jf6qQ93ARQ8) )

Older hardstyle tracks have shorter breaks and less use of melodic elements, the main focus in


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these breaks is on bringing in a new screech, or pattern or a very short melodic (303, stabby

lead or similar) pattern

For a DJ the break is the core of the track and is mostly played unmixed with an other track -

time to dance, interact with the crowd and chose a new CD

Headhunterz chose to play the vocals with two pads, followed by violins, slowly more bassy pads

come in, suddenly it all stops and you hear the main lead with the main melody playing for the

first time - later the vocals come back and the snare rolls in to announce ....

3:17-4:09 the climax

Time to daaaaaaance! The climax is... yeah... the climax of the track. It's the part where

you're already singing along, dancing, jumping, moving - whatever! It's the most energetic

part of the track and features the main kick, while in the intro and outtro other kicks or parts

of this kick can be used. The climax-kicks are most producer's "signature-kicks", but I'll also

explain these things later...

A climax can also be an anti-climax: anti-climaxes can be very diverse, just like climaxes, they

can add epic rawness to a track or they can destroy it completely (xD)

A very nice example for a pretty awesome anti-climax would be Zatox - "Ear Fucking"

(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNS4hmfrnm8 (http://www.youtube.com

/watch?v=JNS4hmfrnm8) )

At 2:14 you hear the sound rising and then 2:24 - BAM BAM BAM!

An anticlimax does not have a melody and mostly sounds like some kind of alternated

mid-outro, most common (these times) are non-reverse (signature-)kicks and a different

sound/screech-pattern then in the outtro and mid-outro, but this can be very very different

depending on the track, the artist the atmosphere and the harmony of the track

Some deejays already mix in the climax to add another break or climax right after and create

the illusion of some kind of a "double climax"

Headhunterz chose to play the main melody eight times, combined with a typical Headhunterz kick

and a pitched bassline, in the last 32 measures the snare comes back in to bring back the

mid-pattern for the mid-outro

4:09-5:00 the midoutro

The mid-outro mostly sounds like a alternative mid-intro. mostly it "builds down" just like the

mid-intro has built up, but there are also mid-outros which use parts of the climax.

Headhunterz chose to go down like he built it up

5:00-end the outtro

Just like the mid-outtro the outrro is a "reversed" intro. this is the most common way but as in

all forms of art and music - this depends on the artist and the piece of music itself

Also here Headhunterz chose the same path like he already did with the mid-outtro

I have to add that some tracks have two breaks or two climaxes or even more (eg: Technoboy -

Rage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNB453D5Ukg (http://www.youtube.com

/watch?v=xNB453D5Ukg) ) , featuring different melodies and melodic patterns or different vocals and

other stuff, sometimes intros and mid-intros can already be part of those elements or are

combined with those

As a beginner in producing it's the best thing to slowly start off with the easy patterns and


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oldschool-styleish stuff and then slowly work your way up to this more complex variations and

composing patterns

There are some more common patterns and some more exotic patterns, a good exercise for

composing is doing an analysis of your favourite songs

Simply try to figure out what pattern the songs follows and write it down, then slowly start going

deeper and count the beats, bars and measures - you will learn a lot about your favourite

producers as well about composing

simply find YOUR way to do it - there is no wrong way as long as you keep the harmony

2) Percussion, Instruments and FX

Too keep it very simple and short I try to divide hardstyle instruments and effects in the following:

Leads & effect-leads (screeches, stabs, acid...)

Percussion (snare, hi hat, rim shots,...)

Kicks & bass (pitched and reversed)

Vocals

And effects (reversed cymbals/crashes, noise rises, filtered kicks, channel effects like

low/highpass and other,....)

(lol, see how I failed at keeping it simple XD)

Leads

Leads and effect-leads are the voice of your track, they sing the melody, they scream for

attention and movement and they tell the story of the track

Leads can be very simple like being based on square waves or very complex modulated and layered

They are part of the "signature-sounddesign" of every artist (or should be - "presetwhoring" is

killing this aspect of sounddesign a lot) and you'll know the feeling of recognizing a new song of

one of you fav artists by sometimes just recognizing the sound of the lead synthesizer or the

screech

Leads can be done with synthesizers (soft or hardware) with samplers (for orchestral stuff, piano,

"real" instruments or emulating hardware patches and sounds) or in other creative ways like using

voice or sound samples

Very common synths and samplers used for leads would be (hard and software in no particular

order):

Nexus, Vanguard, Z3TA+, Hydra, Sylenth1, V-Station, the TB-303, the juno 8080 and the famous

Virus-series

Percussion

The percussion keeps the rhythm, together with kick and bass - it makes tracks interesting and

structured.

percussion is mostly sampled from old hardware drumsynths like the 808 or the 909 by Roland and

then spiced up with effects and equalizing by sampling-companies or producers and sold as CDs,

other sample packs include drumloops, "real" drums or very exotic percussive instruments.

other people synthesize their own percussion (it's easier then you might think ) or modify the

hardware samples on their own and use those, but for the most common stuff like snares, hi hats

and cymbals, rim shots and other sampling is very okay


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(i'll later explain when and why sampling is NOT okay - in my opinion and for the sake of being

original. )

famous sample packs in hardstyle:

the VIPZONE hardstyle samples, the Blutonium Boy samples as well as a lot of other

dance-music focused sample packs and CDs

But I highly recommend you downloading the 808-sample pack (which is free!!!) or other "dry"

(un-effected) samples and start doing your own percussion...

The kicks and the bass

Kicks are maybe THE number one signature sounddeisgn element in hardstyle - at least they're

hyped as fuck among listeners and producers of all ages, countries and skill-levels.

Kicks can be very simple or very complicated, just like leadsounds and just like leadsounds you'll

sometimes be recognizing a producer by his kicks

The synthesis of a good kick takes a lot of practice, patience, experience and a good hearing for

fine elements, cause even tho hardstyle kicks may sound very intense and hard - they are very

fragile and just a little twist in some parameters can change the sound to the very best or very

worst.

There are a just a few really common kick types: the pitched kick (or also called "nu-style-kick" - a

kick with a pitched bass attached), the gated kick (a kick combined with a gated reverb, mostly

followed by a revered bass), filtered kicks (the so called "noisecontrollers"-kicks", can be combined

with both bass-types very easily) and simple kicks (for mid intros, spicing other kicks up and other

stuff - can also be combined with both bass types)

But just a kick on it's own sounds a little boring in the main part and is mostly just used for

(mid-)intro/outtroparts of the track - the real fun and drive comes when the bassline kicks in!

basslines can be two types:

Straight forward (pitched kick,..) or reversed ("rawstyleish" or oldschool etc etc,...)

Whilst straight-forward basslines are more melodic and harmonic, reversed basslines mostly carry

more drive and agression with them, the decision of the right bassline combined with the right

kick can change the atmosphere of your track a LOT (and yea, really - A LOT)

Straight forward basslines are set on the same beat as the kick, reversed basslines are set in

between two kicks

Nice and common synths for making basslines and kicks are:

Hydra (Junglist) , Tonic, massive and the classic TB-303

vocals

Vocals can carry the message, vocals can carry the emotion, vocals give your track some kind of

recognition value. I don't think i have to come up with examples here Everybody here will have

some favourite vocals and lyrics! Vocals can be dumb and nonsense (like talking about brooms and

hoovers taking over the world), about the music itself and everything around, about emotions or

about certain stories. Vocals are mostly done by vocalists (Nikkita did a WONDERFUL tutorial on

how to work with vocalists! make sure you check it out!) or are sampled voices from movies,

documentaries, other songs or anything else spoken!

Vocals can be sung, spoken, shouted, rapped - whatever! They give your song something less

synthetic and very human

Here's nikki's tut about working with vocalists:

tutorials-f22/working-with-vocalists-t1629.html (http://hardstyle.harderstate.com/tutorials-


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f22/working-with-vocalists-t1629.html)

Effects

Effects are a VERY important part about sounddesign, and cosing the right sound effects as well as

the right effect-chains (effects on the channel-strip in your DAW) is something that can be very

simple as well as it can be very complex - both can sound good if it's well done

Effects like differently pitched filtered kicks can announce a change of the melody, a reversed

cymbal can change the atmosphere before the break hits in... there a LOTS of synthetic effects

(like noise-rises and other) and "natural" or percussive effects - and almost any sound can be used

as effect too (just think of doors being smashed or glass being broken, etc etc!)

Effect-chains change how a channel sounds - like distortion on a bass or reverb on a lead or vocal

This is also very important cause it may change your sound and atmosphere a lot just think of

what an epic lead would sound like without reverb in a break!

Very common sound effects would be:

Reversed crashes/cymbals, noise-rises, noise-falls, vocal-cuts and all kinds of random samples

The most common effects in hardstyle are:

Distortion (bitcrusher, banddistorion, overdrive,..), reverb/hall & delay/echo, filters and

equalizing (which can be also used as effect)

3) Melodies and Rhythmics

I'll first start of with rhythmics so you'll get the idea of how a hardstyle beat is composed and

then go on with melodies

This is basically something more extended than what ViceOfFire already explained here:

tutorials-f22/hardstyle-nustyle-melody-tutorial-some-theory-t2292.html

(http://hardstyle.harderstate.com/tutorials-f22/hardstyle-nustyle-melody-tutorial-some-theory-

t2292.html)

Hardstyle is based on a four by four beats "four to the floor" rhythmic pattern (exception:

dubstyle, undersound and other non-linear experimental "subgenres") and mostly composed at

145-150 beats per minute (oldschool also under 145).

what does this mean?

Four by four beats (4/4) means that one beat has four quarter notes. and four to the floor means

that the first quarternote is the kick.

So everything you compose will have several multiples of four!

Beats per minute is a metering for how many times this four to the floor pattern can be played in

60 seconds or how many times the kick kicks in 60 secs - so the BPM count is the speed of the

track.

You can check an examples of some different BPM-counts here:

tutorials-f22/beats-per-minute-tutorial-t623.html (http://hardstyle.harderstate.com/tutorials-


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f22/beats-per-minute-tutorial-t623.html)

(thx to marxe )

Back to the four-to-the-floor pattern and the multiples of four:

Beats, patterns and melodies you do and compose in hardstyle will be either 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, or

62 beats

most melodies are either 8, 16 or 32 beats, some very complex ones even 62 beats, but mostly 8

or 16

melodic patterns are 2, 4 or 8 beats and are the "skeleton" of melodies as well for stabs, fx and

screeches.

Drum patterns mostly have 1, 2, 4 or 8 beats, some very complex ones 16

One beat equals one hit of a kickdrum

Very complex rhythmics are not common in hardstyle percussion since the four to the floor is very

dominant, but yet there are some things you should know about building interesting rhythmics,

since you'll maybe need them for playing around with vocal cuts, snare-rolls and interesting

melodies

Always stick to multiples of 4 or 2 - everything else will sound unharmonic and chaotic, there are

surely some cases where something else can sound good too (e.g. triplets!!!!!) but mostly sticking

to 2, 4 or 8 is the safest way to go - avoid uneven measures

A cool example is the classic 8 beat snare-roll with a ride.

The beat goes on normal for 4 beats with the kick and the snare on every first 4/-note...

On the 4th beat the ride is also part of the four to the floor and the snare is now not just on every

4th note, it's on every 2nd (so it rolls in)

In the last beat the snare is on every quarter note

Try to alternate this pattern, you will see that the patterns winch count a multiple of 2 or 4 will

sound the best

Now melodies:

Melodies are made of notes in a certain scale, the note values say how long a note is played whilst

the scale holds a selection of certain pitch values which fit together perfectly.

You will find some scales more appealing to you and some scales less, some scales allow very

complex and epic melodies whilst other allow very simple and memorable ones - it's all a matter of

taste and composing skill to find out what scales you like best and can work best with

The most common note values are 1/8,1/4, 1/2, 1/1 and 2/1 - so a 1/8 note is 1/8 of the beat

whilst a 2/1 note fills out 2 beats - also 1/6 and 1/3 notes, so called triplets are common

As a beginner you best start of with 1/8, 1/4 and 1/2 notes and a very simple scale to build your

first melodies.

Remember of the rhythmics! Notes set on multiples of 2 and 4 will sound better then some set

randomly at 11, 7 or 5

Simply try! It's all training and practice!

Scales and pitch values are some more complicated, one bar up or down in your piano-roll is

called a semitone.


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The value for one semitone is 1.

The value for half an octave is 6.

And a whole octave is 12.

An octave goes from e.g. C1 to C2 or from F3 to F4, etc etc

Those values are very important especially for detuning and bass-lead elements.

The bass part of a melody is mostly 24 or 36 semitones under the lead sound.

A melody mostly goes over one or two octaves in the same scale.

Everything takes practice and training - so go! Open up your sequencer and have fun

producing!

I hope you enjoyed this tutorial/guide

Additional notes:

if there are ANY questions or want to add something or don't feel like i told it the right way, feel

free to drop that in this topic, I'll try to answer as good as possible!

if you discovered any typos or grammar mistakes, drop me a pm. xD

oh.. and yeah... sampling...

i accept sampling - but i HIGHLY advice all upcoming producers to to their own thing as much as

possible, I'm still a newb too, but i find it very sad that there is so much "presetwhoring" and

ripping from other producers and tracks...

especially kicks and advanced soundsynthesis like leads... guys TAKE the effort to learn and

create! this is was music is about! realizing what you hear inside your mind!

dare to do your own! simply start off with analyzing your fav synth... what do the knobs? what

do the values mean? what do the strange words mean? etc etc!

try alternating your fav preset, learn how it's build and what you can do with it, try to recreate

it!

or analyze what your fav kick is made of, analyze, practice and CREATE YOUR OWN!

or try putting effects on dry drum kits or anything else! simply try try try!

if you UNDERSTAND sound and all the "boring theory" you'll be able to create stuff nobody ever

has created and this is TOTALLY necessary if you want to be unique and stand out from other in

the best way

try to enjoy sounddesign - especially your "own" signature-sounddesign! ..

(another note: lots of typos here, I'll try to correct them all asap!!!)

Last edited by atomicoz (http://harderstate.com/member/atomicoz/) on 16 Jul 2010, 08:16,edited 3 times in total.Reason: Spontaneously felt like fixing some typos :)

Reply with quote (./posting.php?mode=quote&f=22&p=43304)by Klingy 15 Jul 2010, 12:11

Will read it some day. Thanks for the effort.


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Reply with quote (./posting.php?mode=quote&f=22&p=43305)by atomicoz 15 Jul 2010, 12:12

Yeah, looks like an extensive and nicely structured tutorial There seems to be a few lines

repeated in the end tho

I hope you have (English) spell checking enabled to make it easier haha

Reply with quote (./posting.php?mode=quote&f=22&p=43306)by Kula 15 Jul 2010, 12:13

Thanks + I was first + nice one + + Need a "make your own samples" tutorial !

Reply with quote (./posting.php?mode=quote&f=22&p=43307)by zanshi 15 Jul 2010, 12:14

yes sir

i'm already "at work" with the typos btw, should be "clean" soon

Reply with quote (./posting.php?mode=quote&f=22&p=43314)by qontroller 15 Jul 2010, 12:26

I love zanshi

Reply with quote (./posting.php?mode=quote&f=22&p=43357)by Subject Zero 15 Jul 2010, 15:00

Looks like you put a lot of effort into it nice detailed tutorial. Read through it all, nicely done

.

Reply with quote (./posting.php?mode=quote&f=22&p=43379)by MKN 15 Jul 2010, 16:20

Nice one zanshi! Really good in-depth tut you weren't kidding when you said it was gonna be

LONG haha

Reply with quote (./posting.php?mode=quote&f=22&p=43454)by Alex149 15 Jul 2010, 22:08

zanshi wrote:

(another note: lots of typos here, i'll try to correct them all asap!!!)

atomicoz wrote:

Yeah, looks like an extensive and nicely structured tutorial There seems to be a

few lines repeated in the end tho

I hope you have (English) spell checking enabled to make it easier haha

zanshi wrote:

(another note: lots of typos here, i'll try to correct them all asap!!!)


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This is not true at all imo. You dont learn how to produce hardstyle by spending days and days

reading synthesis books and trying to make every sound yourself on some synthesizer. This just can

be a help to create some sounds somehow, but if you want to learn to produce a proper track, its

important that you also know how to use samples and how to edit them. Also for example

headhunterz (since you linked a track by him) used hardkick10, which is not his own, used a lot of

presets (digiwave), and also stuff from the blutonium & VEC packs. Its better to go for trial &

error, practice things, learn theory on opportunity, not on will. Try out things and listen to whats

good. Also showing your tracks & work to the people is important to get Feedback and such things.

All in one a nice tutorial for somebody who wants to start producing hardstyle, nothing in depth

though. I just dont agree with the sampling part, but you know that yourself.

Reply with quote (./posting.php?mode=quote&f=22&p=43459)by nikkita 15 Jul 2010, 22:29

@Alex,

Sure, you could also just rip off someone else's melody and change a note here or there instead of

learning how to compose your own...

However, you should re-read what she said. You just more or less reiterated what she said in the

first line.

oh.. and yeah... sampling...

i accept sampling - but i HIGHLY advice all upcoming producers to to their own thing as

much as possible, i'm still a newb too, but i find it very sad that there is so much

"presetwhoring" and ripping from other producers and tracks...

especially kicks and advanced soundsynthesis like leads... guys TAKE the effort to learn

and create! this is was music is about! realizing what you hear inside your mind!

dare to do your own! simply start off with analyzing your fav synth... what do the

knobs? what do the values mean? what do the strange words mean? etc etc!

try alternating your fav preset, learn how it's build and what you can do with it, try to

recreate it!

or analyize what your fav kick is made of, analyze, practice and CREATE YOUR OWN!

or try putting effects on dry drumkits or anything else! simply try try try!

if you UNDERSTAND sound and all the "boring theory" you'll be able to create stuff

nobody ever has created and this is TOTALLY necessary if you want to be unique and

stand out from other in the best way

i accept sampling - but i HIGHLY advice all upcoming producers to to their own thing as

much as possible, i'm still a newb too, but i find it very sad that there is so much

"presetwhoring" and ripping from other producers and tracks...

especially kicks and advanced soundsynthesis like leads... guys TAKE the effort to learn

and create! this is was music is about! realizing what you hear inside your mind!


10 of 14 5/31/2013 1:13 PM

In fact, it IS true. You can get away with doing the bare minimum, but if you encourage lazy

practices you're going to end up with a lazy sound... and yeah, proof of that is in the fact

whenever someone uses a sample, people are quick to jump on it. In fact, many respectable labels

in the music world in general will also not take your work if you're sticking primarily to ripping

other people off.

Reply with quote (./posting.php?mode=quote&f=22&p=43461)by arder-arderstyle 15 Jul 2010, 22:30

thank u so much

Reply with quote (./posting.php?mode=quote&f=22&p=43462)by John Cove 15 Jul 2010, 22:35

Respect

Reply with quote (./posting.php?mode=quote&f=22&p=43464)by Alex149 15 Jul 2010, 22:40

I wasnt talking about editing melodies, but kicks, punches and stuff like that! Any amateur

producer wont start with trying to make his killer lead that sounds like nc, if he doesnt start to

practice with samples he wont learn anything about making actual hardstyle. Sound Design is

something you should learn over time while trying to develop your own sound but its nothing you

should start with. I dont think Zatox started like that, i dont think Headhunterz started like that

and i dont think any of the pro producers really started like that. Yeah ofc its good to learn sound

synthesis over time and its necessary to take it to an advanced, serious level, but for the

beginning, and thats also what a tutorial is for, it is not necessary at all and rather slowing down

nikkita wrote:

@Alex,

Sure, you could also just rip off someone else's melody and change a note here or there

instead of learning how to compose your own...

However, you should re-read what she said. You just more or less reiterated what she

said in the first line.

In fact, it IS true. You can get away with doing the bare minimum, but if you encourage

lazy practices you're going to end up with a lazy sound... and yeah, proof of that is in

the fact whenever someone uses a sample, people are quick to jump on it. In fact,

many respectable labels in the music world in general will also not take your work if

you're sticking primarily to ripping other people off.

i accept sampling - but i HIGHLY advice all upcoming producers to to their own

thing as much as possible, i'm still a newb too, but i find it very sad that there

is so much "presetwhoring" and ripping from other producers and tracks...

especially kicks and advanced soundsynthesis like leads... guys TAKE the effort

to learn and create! this is was music is about! realizing what you hear inside

your mind!


11 of 14 5/31/2013 1:13 PM

than speeding up the learn process. Anybody who's trying to get to an actual pro level will notice

sooner or later that he will need to create his own sounds, but for the beginning you should do

everything else but focussing 100% on creating your own leads, kicks, but learning the

arrangement and finding your own style.

Reply with quote (./posting.php?mode=quote&f=22&p=43502)by zanshi 16 Jul 2010, 03:03

shoooo~...!

slow down here you'e both

right, maybe i should explain further what i actually wanted to say:

i said accept sampling.

but i don't like it - especially at "more advanced" noobs

alex is right when he says sounddesign and synthesis are something you shouldnt start over with

when you're new, it's definatly something you have to learn over time, it's a learning process

which equires a lot of time and expierence to be mastered.

and i know a lot of professional and semi-professionals are using samples and presets to make their

life easier (in fact i just know a few know ppl who do their own noise rises, drums or really start

off from scratch when doing lead sounds and whatever you want), i am aware of the fact that

EVERY producer is faced sampling from the very start to the very end - i know you can't make

every littlest detail on your own

ofc working with audio (samples, vocals,...) is something entirely different than synthesis, but

BOTH are elementary

and BOTH have to be understood imo

and OF COURSE you HAVE to start with samples and presets, to get the idea of producing, if you're

like "omg i'll never ever sample in my life" from the beginning you'll very soon be very frustrated

and your workflow will basically not exist (i also had to learn that, in a pretty hard way... /:)

i say: do as MUCH as you can on your own and slowly try to understand how to do it

i think it's also some attitude thing...

i have a VERY VERY scientific view on electronic dance music and electronic arts in general, i

basically "grew into" electronic arts ALWAYS also being told the scientific details to everything i

learned and did (how does a sensor in a camera work? what is audio? what are colors? ...) - so i

basically kept it that way when i got into producing, not just cause i was used to it, but more like

cause i'm a damn curious girl and i wanted to KNOW whats going on behind all those knobs, cause i

also wanted to do this.

the price of this very extended knowledge was my workflow and i REALLY struggle a LOT when i

try to start or finish things, cause i mostly spend hours with just a few midi-regions tweaking on

sounds, synths and scales and learing about them day and night

i definatly didnt spend enough time with samples - and i regret it.

and btw:

thanks guys so much for all the "thank you"'s haha :3

Reply with quote (./posting.php?mode=quote&f=22&p=43511)by sparty113 16 Jul 2010, 05:29

Wow. I wish i had this tutorial when i was just starting. Very very good job. One of the best tut's i

have ever seen, really though good job


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