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A P P E A R A N C E S The Sole Member : His Honour Judge Peter Smithwick For the Tribunal : Mrs. Mary Laverty, SC Mr. Justin Dillon, SC Mr. Dara Hayes, BL Mr. Fintan Valentine, BL Instructed by: Jane McKevitt Solicitor For the Commissioner of An Garda Siochana : Mr. Diarmuid McGuinness, SC Mr. Michael Durack, SC Mr. Gareth Baker, BL Instructed by: Mary Cummins CSSO For Owen Corrigan : Mr. Jim O'Callaghan, SC Mr. Darren Lehane, BL Instructed by: Fintan Lawlor Lawlor Partners Solicitors For Leo Colton : Mr. Paul Callan, SC Mr. Eamon Coffey, BL Instructed by: Dermot Lavery Solicitors

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A P P E A R A N C E S

The Sole Member: His Honour Judge Peter Smithwick

For the Tribunal: Mrs. Mary Laverty, SCMr. Justin Dillon, SCMr. Dara Hayes, BLMr. Fintan Valentine, BL

Instructed by: Jane McKevitt

Solicitor

For the Commissioner of An Garda Siochana: Mr. Diarmuid McGuinness, SC

Mr. Michael Durack, SCMr. Gareth Baker, BL

Instructed by: Mary CumminsCSSO

For Owen Corrigan: Mr. Jim O'Callaghan, SCMr. Darren Lehane, BL

Instructed by: Fintan Lawlor Lawlor Partners Solicitors

For Leo Colton: Mr. Paul Callan, SCMr. Eamon Coffey, BL

Instructed by: Dermot Lavery Solicitors

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For Finbarr Hickey: Fionnuala O'Sullivan, BL

Instructed by: James MacGuill & Co.

For the Attorney General: Ms. Nuala Butler, SCMr. Douglas Clarke, SC

Instructed by: CSSO

For Freddie Scappaticci: Eavanna Fitzgerald, BLPauline O'Hare

Instructed by: Michael FlaniganSolicitor

For Kevin Fulton: Mr. Neil Rafferty, QC

Instructed by: John McAtamneySolicitor

For Breen Family: Mr. John McBurney

For Buchanan Family/Heather Currie: Ernie Waterworth

McCartan Turkington BreenSolicitors

For the PSNI: Mark Robinson, BL

NOTICE: A WORD INDEX IS PROVIDED AT THE BACK OF THIS TRANSCRIPT. THIS IS A USEFUL INDEXING SYSTEM, WHICH ALLOWS YOU TO QUICKLY SEE THE WORDS USED IN THE TRANSCRIPT, WHERE THEY OCCUR AND HOW OFTEN.

EXAMPLE: - DOYLE [2] 30:28 45:17

THE WORD “DOYLE” OCCURS TWICEPAGE 30, LINE 28PAGE 45, LINE 17

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OWEN CORRIGAN

CROSS-EXAMINED BY MR. O'CALLAGHAN 4 1

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THE TRIBUNAL RESUMED ON THE 1ST AUGUST 2012 AS FOLLOWS:

MR. DILLON: Chairman, we have one witness for you today,

it's the continuing examination of Mr. Corrigan. Before we

deal with that, possibly we might be able to do a bit of

housekeeping in terms of availability. I have had a brief

conversation with Mr. O'Callaghan. It seems that

Mr. Corrigan would prefer if there weren't a sitting on

Friday, if he could have Friday to himself. That being the

case, the matters will resume at the end of August. Now,

one date which we had canvassed was the 27th of August, but

it's been drawn to my attention that that's a public

holiday in Northern Ireland. So it seems that on the 28th,

which is a Tuesday, we should be in a position to resume.

And I wonder if Mr. Robinson could let you know possibly at

this stage whether he'll be in a position to adduce the

evidence which he said he was going to offer to you in

relation to the question of the redactions of

Mr. McConville's evidence.

MR. ROBINSON: Yes, Mr. Chairman, that date was raised this

morning by your team. I'll certainly take instructions and

aim for that date, and, if I can get that confirmed, that

can be conveyed to your team.

CHAIRMAN: Yes, thank you very much, Mr. Robinson.

MR. DILLON: That being so then, hopefully we'll be able to

resume on the 28th and -- all going well, and, let us hope

for the last day, Mr. Corrigan will come back on the 29th

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-- yes, the 29th, which is a Wednesday, of August, and, as

I say, we will all hope that's the last day, but it may not

be; it all depends on how things work out.

CHAIRMAN: Would that be the 29th rather than the 28th?

MR. DILLON: The 28th might be better to devote to the

question of the evidence you will hear in relation to the

redactions.

CHAIRMAN: Will we need the full day for that, do you

think, Mr. Robinson?

MR. ROBINSON: Possibly a two-hour block, possibly.

MR. DILLON: What I might suggest, Chairman, is that you

hear the evidence, and then I think you'll want to consider

your decision, and if you are in a position to consider

your decision during the afternoon, you can deliver it the

following day, and that's in ease of Mr. Corrigan as well,

because he is entitled to know what the position is in

regard to that. And, in addition, the Tribunal may well

have made progress in relation to the recent intelligence

it has received, and again, in ease of Mr. Corrigan, it can

be dealt with on the 29th.

CHAIRMAN: Very good.

MR. ROBINSON: I certainly endorse that view.

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CHAIRMAN: There will be an alternative venue, it will not

be here, but we have been inquiring about an alternative

venue, and everybody will be notified where that is, and it

will have similar facilities to here. Thank you very much.

MR. ROBINSON: I am obliged.

MR. DILLON: In that case, if Mr. O'Callaghan would care to

continue.

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OWEN CORRIGAN CONTINUED TO BE CROSS-EXAMINED BY

MR. O'CALLAGHAN AS FOLLOWS:

MR. O'CALLAGHAN: Thank you, Chairman.

Q. Mr. Corrigan, on the last day, we looked at the background 1

to the establishment of this Tribunal and your belief as to

what is the reason this Tribunal was established and what

led to its establishment, do you recall that?

A. I do, yes.

Q. What I want to do today is to start by looking briefly at 2

the 20th March 1989 the day the officers were murdered, and

then to look at the two pieces of evidence that are against

you; the only piece of evidence against you suggesting

collusion in the murders of Breen and Buchanan, that is the

evidence of Mr. Keeley and Mr. Hurst. Were you aware on

the 20th March 1989 that Chief Superintendent Breen and

Superintendent Buchanan were to come to Dundalk Station for

a meeting?

A. No, I was not, Mr. Chairman, I wasn't aware of that.

Q. And you are aware where you were when you heard that the 3

officers had been murdered, isn't that correct?

A. I was, yes.

Q. And you were asked by a number of counsel for the Tribunal 4

and others as to what you were doing before that, isn't

that so?

A. Yes.

Q. And in fairness to you, you say you can't remember? 5

A. That's right, because it was no ordinary day, like, to me,

and I would have been -- I was engaged on duties of a

routine matter, and, at the time that the word came in,

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there was a number of us in the Detective Branch office.

That was it.

Q. Are you aware that a number of other members of An Garda 6

Siochana and a civilian woman working for the Garda

Siochana, have also given evidence to the Chairman that

they couldn't remember what they were doing on the day of

the 20th March 1989?

A. Well, I am aware that they gave evidence, but I haven't

read their statements, or not aware of the contents, you

know.

Q. I just want to recount them to you for the record: Garda 7

Michael Johnson on day 12, Mr. Nora Burns on day 15,

Detective Garda Mick O'Driscoll on day 38, Detective Garda

John Fintan Kenny on day 38, Detective Garda John Gerard

O'Connor on day 15 and Detective Garda Tom Fox on day 23,

all of them have given evidence that they were unable to

recollect what they were doing on that day.

A. Yes.

Q. You are now aware of that, is that so? 8

A. Yes, I am aware now.

Q. In respect of the murders themselves, these murders took 9

place in Northern Ireland, isn't that correct?

A. That is correct, yes.

Q. And because of that, would responsibility for investigation 10

of the murders rest with the RUC?

A. Oh, absolutely.

Q. Now, there was an investigation conducted from Dundalk, 11

isn't that so?

A. There was, yes.

Q. And that was an investigation conducted by Superintendent 12

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Connolly?

A. That's correct, yes.

Q. And were you asked by Superintendent Connolly to be part of 13

this inquiry?

A. No.

Q. It's been suggested to you by Mr. Dillon that you could 14

have sought to involve yourself in this inquiry by, in

effect, gate-crashing his team of investigators; would that

be possible?

A. Gate-crashing was never one of my endeavours that I would

engage in.

Q. Well, leaving aside the word 'gate-crashing', could you 15

have, of your own accord, just got involved in

Mr. Connolly's investigation if he hadn't requested you to

be part of it?

A. No, he picks -- he hand-picks a team, as every other

supervisory officer does; that's his prerogative, to

select, because I had been in part of hand-picked teams,

investigated murders all over the country, since -- I have

been working with the heads of every head of murder squad

since 1969, and when I was in Drogheda I was -- it was the

murder of a girl called Una Lynskey, and then -- well, it

wasn't -- there was more, it was more relaxed atmosphere,

so my availability -- Colonel Walker, then, was around the

seventies, when Colonel Walker was murdered at the time of

the anti-English presence of stately homes in Ireland, by

the IRA, Mr. Chairman, and every time there was a murder,

we'll say, there was a huge larceny of explosives from the

Curragh, County Kildare, and there was alarm in Government

circles that these explosives would be stolen by members of

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the defence forces, so, there again, I was called down

there, and I spent -- I think we spent three or four months

down there, and brought five of them to the Special

Criminal Court, where they were charged. So, I was an

integral part of -- whilst I was in Dundalk and Drogheda, I

was an integral part of a backup team for the murder squad

for any serious crime on account of my knowledge. And by

outlining the facts to you, I don't want to be giving the

impression that I am propagating my own position.

CHAIRMAN: But you weren't involved in the investigation of

the murders of Mr. Breen and Mr. Buchanan.

A. No, no.

Q. MR. O'CALLAGHAN: And that's a decision that was made by 16

Superintendent Connolly, and he was perfectly entitled to

make such a decision.

A. Oh, absolutely, absolutely.

Q. And that's how the hierarchy of An Garda Siochana operates, 17

that the Superintendent will select the team he wishes to

investigate a certain offence?

A. Yes.

Q. So the Chairman will be fully aware that the primary murder 18

investigation is conducted by the RUC because the murders

took place in Northern Ireland, isn't that correct?

A. That's right, yes.

Q. And then there was an investigation south of the border by 19

the Gardaí, and that was run by Superintendent Connolly,

isn't that so?

A. Yes.

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Q. Are you aware of Detective Garda Bernard McGrath? 20

A. Yes.

Q. He gave evidence to the Chairman on day 39, and at pages 80 21

and 81, he said that "Connolly never seemed to be treating

Corrigan as a superintendent would treat a sergeant in the

day-to-day business of an office of that nature in their

discussions. There was very few, very little discussion

between them. Any of the various operations that were done

or carried out at that time, I don't recall Corrigan and

Connolly being together in any one of them."

Would you agree with that evidence that was given by

Detective Garda Bernard McGrath?

A. Absolutely. He was on my section and was well aware, he

could see it first hand, and any leader of an investigation

team, as I was myself for 13 years, he is depending on the

subordinates of the men working with him and it's his

function to get the ultimate maximum out of those, each and

every individual man. There is no two people have the same

qualities, and you have to encourage one type of an

individual and discourage the other. So, you amalgamate

them through the years and they believe -- there is a

trust, a bond builds up, but that when the new regime came

to Dundalk, that all went by the wayside. After all, you

know yourself, Mr. Chairman, we are after having 13 years

of extraordinary intelligence in relation to the return of

work, and, there again, I have to be very careful in case I

am accused of boasting.

Q. Mr. McGrath also gave evidence on day 39, from page 91 to 22

95, that Superintendent Connolly excluded you from a lot of

Garda work and Garda stuff. Would that be your

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recollection of it?

A. Absolutely.

Q. He also gave evidence to the Chairman that Superintendent 23

Connolly victimised those in your unit as well, the

officers underneath you?

A. That's right.

Q. And you'd agree with that? 24

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Q. And on day 31, Detective Garda Sean Gethins gave evidence 25

that he wasn't surprised that you weren't involved in

Superintendent Connolly's investigation because

Superintendent Connolly always used the same people, that's

what Detective Garda Gethins said; would you agree with

that?

A. With all due respects, that's a diplomatic way of saying

it, but the situation is, it became well known throughout

the Garda force, and if you recall Mr. Conroy, when asked

here by the Chairman at one stage, Mr. Conroy, when he came

to see me on the two occasions, he drove down from Dublin

and pleaded for me to go to work for him, and the -- one of

the first things he said to me is, "You get away from that

crowd in Dundalk and come to work for me." It's there now

in his -- if you wish to check his -- and he was asked on

the follow-up question, "How did you pick up Owen Corrigan,

pick out Owen Corrigan rather than anyone else?" That you

should see, because there was a serious problem in relation

to Martin Cahill, and the whole force was under pressure,

and he says, "I picked him because of his bravery."

Q. Okay. We'll come and look at that evidence in due course. 26

The Chairman was not asked by the Oireachtas to investigate

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employment issues in Dundalk Garda Station, but can you

inform the Chairman, Mr. Corrigan, was it the case that

there was a problem in Dundalk after the new regime came

in, and you were excluded from a lot of work?

A. Absolutely. I would go further, that it was premeditated

to a large extent by the RUC, who wished to impose -- who

got their 40 extra men as a result of pressure, that

resulted in 40 extra men, and they thought it was -- the

same principle would apply here as appeared in Northern

Ireland. But numbers in that game don't matter one iota.

One good detective is worth 50 very ordinary ones. That's

the way intelligence works. But there, you see, as I said

before in my evidence, they were trying to impose a

military solution on a political problem, and we had our

hand on the political problem and were doing

extraordinarily well, and, suddenly, the RUC, and I don't

want to prejudge whether Mr. -- in addition to the

addition, when they got the 40 extra men, it's my

contention that they went the next way, the next step along

the way and they instructed Mr. Curran to go and voice his

concern to me -- about me, rather, to Mr. Crowley.

Mr. Crowley worked with me for many, many years when I was

a trainee detective and Mr. Crowley knew me better than

anyone and he certainly was not going to tolerate anyone

coming up and doubting my integrity, nor was any one of the

six or eight members of Commissioner rank who knew me the

same and knew me for nothing but a workaholic and a

devotion to duty to the exclusion of my own personal

safety --

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CHAIRMAN: Why would any member of the RUC want to blacken

your name?

A. Well, you see, I was on every -- well, now, I think you

have heard enough here at this Tribunal to know they made a

pretty good attempt at it, Mr. Chairman. Because, I was a

big thorn in the side of the IRA and they were running up,

putting my name down that I was doing this, that or the

other, and collecting money in the process.

Q. MR. O'CALLAGHAN: Mr. Corrigan, just in respect of the 27

Chairman's question about blackening your name, the RUC

doing it, would you agree with me that the only evidence

prior to the establishment of this Tribunal, suggesting

that you were up to wrongdoing, by the RUC, was the SB50

from 1985?

A. Yes, there was many people who came up and said they heard

this and they heard that, like.

Q. We'll come to that. But in terms of information available 28

within the RUC suggesting that you were up to wrongdoing,

that's limited to the SB50 in 1985, isn't that so?

A. Yes. On a concrete basis, yes.

Q. And we'll look at that in due course, as to the provenance 29

of that SB50.

A. Yes.

Q. However, you are aware also, and very many RUC men have 30

come here and those who have worked with you have given

very positive evidence about you, isn't that right?

A. Absolutely. As I said before, the finest men that I ever

worked with were the members of the IRA -- or the RUC.

Q. And it has -- evidence has also been given here by the RUC 31

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officers, some of them who don't know you, that they

thought that -- they had heard rumours about you and that

you were, to use their words, they thought you were dodgy,

or things like that, but these were people who didn't work

with you, isn't that so?

A. Absolutely.

Q. Now, what I want to do is, I want to look at the two pieces 32

of evidence against you. You are aware that there are only

two pieces of evidence against you, Mr. Corrigan,

suggesting that you colluded in the murders of these two

officers?

A. Yes.

Q. Are you aware of that?33

A. Yes.

Q. Mr. Keeley and Mr. Hurst? 34

A. Yes.

Q. What I want to do now is, I want to look first at 35

Mr. Keeley's evidence and allegation against you.

And, Chairman, I don't know if you have your book with you,

or Mr. Mills could put it up.

CHAIRMAN: I have, yes.

MR. O'CALLAGHAN: But if we could go to tab 20, and if you

could go to tab 20 as well, please, Mr. Corrigan, we have

got the Kevin Fulton statement. This is a statement that

was handed in by Mr. Keeley, along with Willie Fraser, to

Judge Cory on the 9th September 2003. You are aware of

that, Mr. Corrigan?

A. Yes.

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Q. If you have trouble, Mr. Corrigan, with the folder, look at 36

the screen behind you. It's up there.

A. It's okay.

Q. So, this is dropped in to the Cory Inquiry one month before 37

it reports, you are aware of that?

A. I wasn't aware until quite recently.

Q. Okay. So, Mr. Keeley, accompanied by Willie Fraser, on 38

foot of an e-mail from somebody, it appears to be

associated with HMG, drops this in to Judge Cory on the 9th

September 2003?

A. Yes.

Q. And the relevant information against you is contained in 39

the middle two paragraphs. I just want to read them out

and then look at Mr. Keeley's evidence.

He says, in the second paragraph: "On one occasion in the

late 1980s, I was with my senior IRA commander and another

individual in my car. I knew the other individual to be

Garda B" -- that's you, Owen Corrigan -- "I was introduced

to Owen Corrigan. I knew that Owen Corrigan, who was

stationed at Dundalk, was passing information to the

Provisional IRA."

The second piece of information given by Mr. Keeley to

Judge Cory is as follows: "I was in Dundalk on the day of

the ambush of Superintendent Buchanan and Chief

Superintendent Breen. I am aware that after the ambush

took place, my senior IRA commander was told by a member of

PIRA that Owen Corrigan had telephoned to the Provisional

IRA to tell them that officers Breen and Buchanan were at

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the Dundalk Station."

Now, just before we get into the substance of his evidence,

did you get into a car with 'Mooch' Blair outside Fintan

Callan's Céilí House sometime in the summer of 1991?

A. Certainly not.

Q. You see that Mr. Keeley, in his statement here, refers to 40

this taking place in the late 1980s, do you see that?

A. Yes.

Q. In fact, in his evidence he said that it was a number of 41

weeks before Tom Oliver was murdered, which is the 19th

July 1991.

A. Yes.

Q. At that time, Mr. Corrigan, you were on sick leave, isn't 42

that correct?

A. That's right, yes.

Q. Would you have had access to any intelligence information 43

that the Gardaí had when you were out on sick leave?

A. No.

Q. Just in respect of the second paragraph, he says here to 44

Judge Cory that you had telephoned to the Provisional IRA

to tell them that the officers were at the Dundalk Station.

Did you do that?

A. Oh, I certainly did not.

Q. Now, what I want to do is, I want to move forward to tab 23 45

to look at the -- part of the evidence of Mr. Keeley. And

on day 67, at page 52, Mr. Keeley gave evidence in respect

of the meeting in the car park in the car. Are you aware

that he has said that that meeting took place in Fintan

Callan's Céilí House?

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A. Yes.

Q. What type of an establishment was Fintan Callan's Céilí 46

House in May or June of 1991?

A. Well, it would be a meeting place for -- you see, the

situation is, it's situated on the Dundalk-Castleblayney

road, with a branch-off for Crossmaglen, and travelling

through the second most dangerous concession road in the

North of Ireland, which is Cullaville, and it's frequented

by members of the Provisional IRA smuggling -- it's a place

that no member of the Garda would ever even contemplate

frequenting.

Q. What would happen if you had walked into Fintan Callan's 47

Céilí House in the summer of 1991 and its usual clientele

was there?

A. Well, I wouldn't have any hope of my mortality. It was the

last place God would made departing from going into an IRA

meeting. It's so ridiculous to even think of it, that the

members would suggest -- to me, now, that suggests that

they didn't even realise the significance of the element,

or the status by which this particular establishment held

in the eyes of the subversive elements, because it was

subversive elements from all the different branches of the

border area that frequented it.

Q. Mr. Prenty recently gave evidence to the Chairman stating 48

that, as far as he was aware, Fintan Callan's Céilí House

was a normal establishment which wasn't a Provo house, if I

can call it that?

A. Well...

Q. Do you agree with that? 49

A. No, I don't agree with that.

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Q. Do you recollect preparing C77s, or a C77 in respect of 50

Fintan Callan's Céilí House and suggesting in the C77 that

it was a place where Provisional IRA people acquainted?

A. I can't specifically. Like, I prepared 400, in excess of

400. Now, to ask me to try and remember each and every one

of them...

Q. OK. 51

A. But it would have figured within my intelligence-gathering,

because I was there within the administrative section of

the Detective Branch and I would be taking in reports from

my subversives, you know, and it was certainly featured as

a meeting place or rendezvous for members of the

Provisional IRA from Crossmaglen and Cullaville, for

meeting.

Q. My solicitor has inquired of An Garda Siochana as to 52

whether such a C77 exists, and I am led to believe that

there is such a C77, so perhaps it will be put to you by

the Garda Siochana at a future date.

A. As I say now, I can't confirm it.

Q. Can I ask you now just to look at -- this is the evidence 53

at day 67, which is in front of you, page 52 of the

transcript, that Mr. Keeley gave in respect of the

encounter he alleges occurred with you at Fintan Callan's

Céilí House, and this is what he told the Chairman,

starting with question 317:

"Question. So the Chairman can take it that

'Mooch' Blair approached you one day in

May/June 1991 and said 'I need a lift to

Fintan Callan's Céilí House'?

Answer. No, he wouldn't have said that, 'I

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need to go to Fintan Callan's Callan Céilí

House. He would have got into the car and told

me where to go.

Question. So you didn't know where you were

going?

Answer: Not until we got there.

Question: Okay. And this was your first

time driving there?

Answer: To Fintan Callan's, yes. I've been

out that road many times because Patsy

O'Callaghan lived, before it, on a different

road.

Question: When you arrived in the car park,

what happened?

Answer: I pulled in, 'Mooch' got out and went

into the bar.

Question: How long was he in the bar for?

Answer: Only a few minutes. Came back out

again and then he was followed by Owen

Corrigan.

Question: What did Owen Corrigan do?

Answer: He got into the back of the car.

Question: What happened then?

Answer: He was talking to 'Mooch'. I sat

looking out the window and that is when he said

about Tom Oliver being caught with an

unlicensed shotgun and was passing information.

Question: Did 'Mooch' introduce you to Owen

Corrigan?

Answer. No, he didn't. I was basically a

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shadow sitting there. I never spoke, never did

anything.

Question: You weren't introduced to Corrigan?

Answer: Not introduced, no."

Now, could I pause there. Did that happen?

A. No, absolutely not.

Q. In May and June 1991, did you know anything about Tom 54

Oliver being caught with an unlicensed shotgun, or anything

like that?

A. No.

Q. You didn't know about that?55

A. No.

Q. Did you see here that, in his evidence, Mr. Keeley says 56

that he was not introduced to you?

A. Yes.

Q. He says here "You weren't introduced to Corrigan? 57

Answer: Not introduced, no."

You recall from his letter to Judge Cory, in that letter to

Judge Cory, which is at tab 20, he says that he was

introduced to you.

A. Yes...

Q. He said, "I knew the other individual to be Owen Corrigan. 58

I was introduced to Owen Corrigan."

A. Yes...

Well, of course, a liar has got to have a great memory, you

know.

Q. Could I now ask you, then, to go to the last page in that 59

tab, which is page 75 of the transcript of day 67 before

the Tribunal. This is Mr. Keeley's evidence in respect of

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his allegation that you colluded in the murders of Breen

and Buchanan. And in the middle of that page, question

485, I say to Mr. Keeley:

"Question: So Mickey Collins then comes back a

second time, Mr. Keeley, is that correct?

Answer: He would have been back over again

later.

Question: Just don't do 'would have been'.

You are the person who is giving us this

evidence, so be specific. If you don't

remember, you don't remember.

Answer: At this moment in time, I just don't

remember.

Question: But you think that Mickey Collins

comes back a second time and tells you that

that the incident was the killing of the two

RUC officers?

Answer: Yes.

Question: And are you stating on that occasion

he says to you about the friend?

Answer: 'Our friend', yes.

Question: And what words did he use?

Answer: Just, it was 'our friend' helped out.

Question: That is all he said?

Answer: Something like that, yeah.

Question: Okay, and -- "

And if Mr. Mills could then just go to tab 24, the

transcript continues on page 76, and Mr. Keeley says:

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"Answer: I took it to be Owen Corrigan.

Question: Okay. He didn't mention Owen

Corrigan?

Answer: Not by name, no, no, no.

Question: He didn't mention that Owen Corrigan

had seen the officers in the station?

Answer: No, he didn't say that.

Question: He didn't say that?

Answer: No, no.

Question: Okay. This is what you said to

Judge Cory... "

And here, I put to him, Mr. Corrigan, what was in his

letter to Judge Cory.

A. Yes.

Q. This is what he said to Judge Cory: "I was in Dundalk on 60

the day of the ambush of Superintendent Buchanan and Chief

Superintendent Breen. I am aware that, after the ambush

took place, my senior IRA commander 'Mooch' Blair was told

by a member of PIRA" -- presumably, Mickey Collins -- "that

Garda B had telephoned to the Provisional IRA to tell them

that Officers Breen and Buchanan were at the Dundalk

Station."

And in reply, Mr. Keeley says, "No, well that wouldn't be

totally correct, no.

Question: Okay. In your statement to Judge

Cory, there were two substantive paragraphs,

the one about Fintan Callan's Céilí House and

this one here. You are now stating that what

you said to Judge Cory is incorrect?

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Answer: I can't remember it totally. If you

are saying that is what is written down in the

statement...

Question: Yes, that's incorrect?

Answer: It's not totally correct.

Question: Yes, it's incorrect, you've said

it already?

Answer: Yes.

Question: Why did you mislead Judge Cory?

Answer: I would not have purposely misled

Judge Cory, sir.

Question: You agree that he was mislead?

Answer: Well, thinking back now, I couldn't

remember the statement I've made, it's so many

years ago.

Question: But, sorry, your evidence here is

completely different to what you told to Judge

Cory, isn't that so?

Answer: Well, it's -- yeah.

Question: Why did you mislead Judge Cory?

Answer: I didn't purposely mislead Judge

Cory."

So, do you see that Mr. Keeley, Mr. Corrigan, has, in

effect, told the Chairman that he misled Judge Cory but he

didn't purposely mislead him, do you see that?

A. I do, yeah.

Q. Can you give any indication as to why you think Mr. Keeley 61

would have misled Judge Cory?

A. Oh, it was inevitable as a consequence, it was most

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important that he would present a certain case in order to

move this whole process further for Judge Cory to make up

his mind to set up this Tribunal, and the more flesh he

could put on the so-called facts which he hadn't got, the

better for him; in other words, he filled in the holes with

imaginary facts and this convinced -- like, in other words,

like so many other people, he fooled Judge Cory, he led him

a merry dance.

Q. Is it your belief that Mr. Keeley was put up to providing 62

this letter to Judge Cory by the British Security Service?

A. Oh, I have no doubt. That was the very start of it now.

That was the first port of call, Judge Cory. He had to

gain access to Judge Cory, so that was his port of call.

We'll move down the line then and I'll outline to you then

in due course what the next port of call was.

Q. And you are aware from Judge Cory's report that it was the 63

Kevin Fulton statement, as he called it, which

predominantly urged him to recommend an inquiry, isn't that

so?

A. Yes, on the strength of Fulton's statement, and he has

stated that.

Q. And this was a letter that was provided to Judge Cory, 64

effectively at the eleventh hour of his investigation?

A. That's right.

Q. Do you see any similarities between that and what has 65

happened here over the past two weeks in this Inquiry,

Mr. Corrigan, that at the eleventh hour of this Inquiry the

British Security Service have lobbed in more information?

A. That's right.

Q. What does that convey to you as -- from your experience of 66

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this Tribunal, what does that convey to you?

A. Well, the situation, as I said, without, again, appearing

boastful, I was aware of the strategy and modus operandi of

these people and I knew exactly how they operated, and you

can see from the five pieces of information that they had,

the only one that they released here to the Chairman was

the one that was going -- was the famous, or infamous,

SB50, which was deemed to do damage to me. Nevertheless,

they released that to the Tribunal and never said a word

about the others that were totally at odds with what had

been submitted.

Q. Could I ask you to go to tab 25, please, Mr. Corrigan. You 67

have stated repeatedly that Mr. Keeley is a paid agent of

the British Security Service, isn't that so?

A. Absolutely, yes.

Q. And in fairness to you and in fairness to him, Mr. Keeley 68

accepts that.

A. Yes, and I was the first and only one to state that from

the word go. I don't know how many people believed me, but

it was from my experience of -- since 1969 and working on

the border and understanding the way the British Army

undercover and MI5 work, I was au fait with all their

strategies and how they would operate to the detriment of

anyone else that they were dealing with.

Q. Could I ask you, at tab 25, there is evidence of Mr. Keeley 69

from day 67, page 100, and the last question on that page,

which is question 680, is as follows:

"Question. I thought you said you were being

treated very well by MI5?

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Answer: My expenses and the place where I live

is being paid by those people. I am not

involved with them and I don't work for them or

with them.

Question: So MI5 are paying for your...

Answer: My accommodation.

Question: Your accommodation?

Answer: Yes.

Question: Do you remember there was an article

written by Matthew Teague in the Atlantic

magazine?

Answer: I do, yes.

Question: He, in that article, said you took

him back to your house.

Answer: At that time, yes.

Question: I won't identify it, I don't need to

identify where it is, but he said you lived in

an expensive flat with heavy security

overlooking a well-known London landmark. Is

that a fair assessment of your accommodation?

Answer: Possibly, yes.

Question: And that is being paid for by MI5?

Answer: Yes, sir."

And then if you just go to the bottom of that page,

Mr. Corrigan, question 691:

"And are you getting a wage from them on an

ongoing basis?

Answer: I get a subsistence to help me

survive."

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So you see there that Mr. Keeley is accepting he is being

paid and his accommodation is being paid by the British

Security Service, you are aware of that?

A. Absolutely. And he differentiates between a wage and

subsistence. What a description, now.

Q. Are you aware also that when Mr. Keeley came here to give 70

evidence, that he told the Chairman he had never -- he did

not know Willie Fraser --

A. Yes.

Q. -- prior to the time both of them visited Judge Cory in 71

September 2003?

A. Yes.

Q. You read that? 72

A. Yes.

Q. And then subsequently he changed his evidence, because he 73

said, oh, he did, in fact, meet Mr. Fraser with

Mr. Donaldson back in 2000, isn't that so?

A. That's right, yes.

Q. So are you aware that, in fact, Mr. Keeley enters into this 74

narrative, this equation, back in -- sometime in March

2000, when he meets Jeffrey Donaldson in the House of

Commons, are you aware of that?

A. That's right, yeah.

Q. And it was on that occasion that he gives Mr. Donaldson 75

your name?

A. That's right.

Q. Okay. Now, at tab 27, there is some evidence, and at tab 76

26, rather, there was information there in respect of the

last matter about Mr. Keeley going to meet Mr. Donaldson.

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But at tab 27, there is the evidence of certain RUC

officers about Mr. Keeley. Are you aware that certain RUC

officers have given very negative evidence about Peter

Keeley and his honesty?

A. Oh, I haven't heard anyone saying anything positive about

him, good, bad or indifferent.

Q. Well, some people, I think one or two RUC officers have, 77

but those who...

A. Well, they were in relation to explaining certain

particular incidents, you know.

Q. If you go to the second page, this is Witness 64 on day 53, 78

and Witness 64, day 53, page 37, is questioned at question

228, and he says:

"Question: You mentioned that there were

occasions when Kevin Fulton gave you

information which you were aware was misleading

information. Without identifying any

individuals, could you give an example to the

Chairman of -- maybe you can't recall it, but

if you can, can you give an example of the type

of misleading information he gave to you which

clearly was false?

Answer: Well, there was probably a number I

could give, but one particularly interesting

one was, we were given intelligence about an

IRA active service unit planning to travel to

Great Britain to carry out a series of attacks

there and Mr. Fulton told us that he had been

asked to prepare weapons hides to facilitate

the logistics of that unit travelling to Great

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Britain. Police operations were put in place

in England and Scotland, and quite considerable

police time, effort, resources went into

carrying out preparatory work to try and catch

the alleged active service unit, only for

Mr. Fulton to subsequently state that it was

something that he had made up, and, as you can

appreciate it, it caused us considerable

embarrassment because the intelligence had been

relayed across to Great Britain. Various

people over there were quite exercised about

the thoughts of IRA attacks being carried out

in Great Britain. A lot, as I say, time,

police effort, resource, a lot of money from

the public purse had been spent in police

operations, all for it to be disclosed as a

work of fiction.

Question: And could I ask you, sir, did he

give any explanation or excuse to you as to why

he had created or made up this bit of

intelligence?

Answer: No, we never got a satisfactory

explanation to that or to other things we were

told.

Question: And from your assessment of him, did

you think he was doing it because he was

interested in fantasy or was he trying to

generate publicity for himself subsequently, or

why do you think he did it?

Answer: I think it was probably a complex

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mixture of things. There was obviously

financial reward, and sometimes greed can

triumph over common sense. I think, also,

attention-seeking ego. There are lots of

factors that could play in there, but you would

really need a good psychiatrist or psychologist

to give those answers."

Have you ever met, Mr. Keeley?

A. No.

Q. From what you know about him and the allegations he is 79

making about you, do you agree with the assessment of

Mr. Keeley given there by Witness 64?

A. Oh, I do indeed, yeah.

Q. On the next page, we have an excerpt from day 40, page 18, 80

and this is the evidence of Witness 60, another RUC

officer. And at question 79 he is asked the following:

"Question. You mentioned Kevin Fulton. What

did you make of him?

Answer: In my experience, he seemed to provide

some good intelligence when he started with a

number of organisations. The quality of the

intelligence then seemed to drop off, and I,

at a later stage, had the role of authorising

sources under the Regulation of Investigatory

Powers Act, and I refused to authorise him to

provide intelligence because I believed that he

was an intelligence nuisance.

Question: By 'intelligence nuisance', what do

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you mean?

Answer: He was more trouble then he was worth.

Question: I see. As likely to provide false

information?

Answer: Yes."

And do you agree with that assessment given by Witness 60?

A. Most certainly.

Q. Then, the next page, we have Witness 62, another RUC 81

officer, on day 51, and at page 40, at question 130, he is

asked the following:

"Question: Now, I think that you said in your

statement that, in your opinion, he was a

compulsive liar, a fantasist and a con man of

the highest order, and you said that he was

what you would term an intelligence nuisance.

Where did that come from?

Answer: Yeah, that's correct. That would be

my opinion of Keeley, alias Fulton, because

when he was recruited, my recollection is that

he initially provided some good intelligence on

the Provisional IRA and -- but subsequently he

began to make it up, and I can remember us

mounting many, many operations, covert

operations, based on his so-called

intelligence, where nothing happened, and, of

course, nothing does happen very often, so you

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became aware then that the branch in Newry

began to realise that he was just making all

this up. No doubt he had his reasons for

making it up. Sometimes it's because they want

to get more money, sometimes it's because they

want to please their handlers, sometimes it's

because they just live in a fantasy world."

Do you agree with that assessment of Mr. Keeley?

A. Absolutely, with all three.

Q. And in terms of the serious allegations this man has made 82

against you, which are the only, as I say, one of two, the

only pieces of evidence against you are Mr. Keeley and

Mr. Hurst. In terms of Mr. Keeley's allegations against

you, do you regard them as being made-up fantasy?

A. Absolutely.

Q. And you believe he is saying it because he is being paid by 83

the British Security Service?

A. Yes, that's exactly the situation, Mr. Chairman.

Q. And what interest do you believe the British Security 84

Service have in trying to convince this Chairman that there

was collusion between the IRA and An Garda Siochana, why

would they be interested in doing that?

A. Well, do you see, they were under pressure initially in

relation to -- their main aim was to divert attention from

the wholesale behaviour of the security forces in Northern

Ireland in relation to the collusion. The situation in

Northern Ireland was, in the seventies and the eighties,

where people were being slaughtered at various venues, and

this is when the IRA came in as defenders, so it ended up

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in a tit-for-tat situation, and it got worse, because with

the initial attacks that were launched by the members of

the security forces, that evolved at a counter-attack by

the IRA, so, I mean, one was as bad as the other, but the

overall situation became worse by the day or the month, and

that's how the tit-for-tat operation continued going on.

And they were trying to divert attention away from the

wholesale intervention -- remember one thing, the behaviour

of the security forces in the seventies in the North of

Ireland was quite appalling. There were members of the

other security forces who were intermingling with these

subversive elements, criminals. There were a number of RUC

men caught, convicted of murder, sent to jail, and they

were all operating from a farmhouse in Glenanne, County

Armagh, and, you see, the RUC knew that I was aware of what

was going on at this farm, and this farm was, as I said, a

den of iniquity, and all members -- you had the UVF, RUC -

full-time, part-time - UDR, Red Hand Commanders - that's

Willie Fraser. Now, just to elaborate on Willie Fraser.

Willie Fraser is a leader of his own little army and he

came to Dublin to complain to the Government, brought a

couple of bus-loads of supporters, disembarked at Parnell

Square and proceeded to march down O'Connell Street, when

they were attacked by locals -- you may recall it, Judge, a

number of years ago -- and the locals stoned them. The

Gardaí then had to intervene. And they caused hundreds of

thousands of pounds, and they had to escort them right back

to the border. But that's Willie Fraser, who was a close

associate of Mr. Fulton and Mr. Donaldson at the day that

Mr. Donaldson issued his statement, which was -- I was

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coming to. Mr. Donaldson's statement, which was, there

again, organised by the handlers, they knew that this was

the widest possible audience that the BBC Northern Ireland

was going to receive, and this was a mass audience and this

was another part in their -- now, the next thing after

that, the book, the Bandit Country, they authorised --

there was a direction from the ACC directing a subordinate

officer to take cognisance of Mr. Harnden, who Mr. Harnden,

after all, was a member of the British Conservative-led

paper, which is the Daily Telegraph, and he took leave of

absence to write this book and was part of the...

So you can see, as it came down the line, all the parts

were falling into place as a designed complex to damage the

southern security forces and divert the attack away from

the collusion that was going on in the North. Remember

that RUC, there was at least three or four were charged

with murder, and all were released under the Anglo-Irish

Agreement. And if you just bear with me for one minute,

Mr. Chairman. There was one of them there and they went up

to a William Strathearn, they told him -- they rang him up

and they said "we have a prescription for a sick child and

we'll be down there to collect it". Mr. Strathearn had to

open his door, and they shot him in the door of the house.

The next thing was, Joe Campbell, who was a Catholic

Sergeant in Ahoghill, up in the Glens of Antrim, they went

up to him at eight o'clock in the morning, and there was a

guy called Robin 'The Jackal' Jackson, who was the leader,

he was involved in at least 30 murders. Jackson got the

name -- Joe Campbell was a very prominent part of the GAA

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So it was five to eight in the morning. This guy, an RUC

man was driving the van, and he said, "you don't come with

me," Jackson said "don't come with me because if two of us

come to the door it will arouse suspicion". So, of course,

he went down, and Joe Campbell lived on the quarters, rang

the door bell, Joe Campbell opened the door and they said

who it was, they said so-and-so and so-and-so, the radiator

has run dry, and, "I was told that if I called to you,

you'd be able to fix me up." Joe Campbell, like any good

neighbour, got up and walked down the stairs, bang. They

were only two of them. Now, I know there was four others.

There was a group in Armagh called SBG, the Special Patrol

Group, of which both of those were members of, and they had

free access to all of the North and were engaged in

full-time slaughter and killing of the members of the --

and this was what prompted --

CHAIRMAN: Members of what?

A. Members of the population. And this was -- prompted the

retaliation from the IRA, who saw certain sections of

people being mown down, and, of course, the IRA saw it, saw

it then, came in then and then created equally horrendous

murders, like the Tullyvallen Orange Hall thing, and all

those types of things, which remind us of the horrible

situation that things in Northern Ireland had degenerated

down to the level. And, like, one side was as bad as the

other, that's in essence now.

Q. MR. O'CALLAGHAN: Okay, Mr. Corrigan, in terms of why you 85

think that the British Security Service would have put

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Keeley up to this, your answer, in effect, is that it's in

their interest to present there being collusion between the

guards and paramilitaries in order to deflect attention

from the unquestionable fact that there was collusion

between Loyalist paramilitaries and certain security

services in the --

A. Absolutely. If I may say so, our own Government went over

there, Mr. McDowell and Mr. Ahern, and left this complaint

about it, and I don't know what went on in diplomatic

terms, but they certainly didn't follow it up in the public

domain, because the British -- sorry, I'd better not say

the 'Brits' or somebody will be jumping down my throat --

the British took umbrage at this or said to themselves "we

have a problem here, so we'd better get it solved". So,

the two members of the army went down to where Keeley was,

to his platoon office, and called him out and asked was he

prepared to work for the security service. "We'll send you

back to Northern Ireland. We'll give you a false discharge

from the army, a false discharge, so that you can show any

of your colleagues that, if you are questioned in the

North, be it by the IRA or what else, if you show why you

were thrown out, there it is, misbehaviour, and that will

cover you."

Q. But do you believe, Mr. Corrigan, that the reason you were 86

identified as a colluding guard was because there was an

SB50 from 1985 which could form the basis of such an

allegation against you?

A. Well, it was one of many. As I explained before,

Mr. Chairman, I was -- in fact, I was one of the very few

that was even prepared to go to Northern Ireland and I was

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taking on these guys first hand and I was the name on

everyone's lips. When they went in -- when Keeley went in

to the British Army, he, at a, what they call a debriefing,

he lodged my name. The same situation obtained in relation

to when he joined the RUC; when he was debriefed, he lodged

my name. Now, in relation to the way these matters -- the

mechanism works, that my name was top of the list at the

British Army Headquarters in Lisburn and at the RUC

Headquarters in Knock, and that was my -- everybody knew

Owen Corrigan. There were people coming up I never saw in

my life --

Q. You are aware, from 1985 there was obviously a piece of 87

intelligence, no matter how unreliable it may be, which

indicated that "Owen Corrigan may be helping out the boys,"

it's referred to, and that's from 1985?

A. I don't know what stage I became aware of that.

Q. Okay. You weren't aware of it until this Inquiry --88

A. No, that's right.

Q. -- started? But looking back on it now, with the benefit 89

of that knowledge, do you believe that that gives a reason

as to why Owen Corrigan should be the guard identified as

being a colluding guard?

A. Well, it was only a backup --

Q. Okay. 90

A. -- to what was already in circulation about me, because

they were hearing this story about Owen Corrigan every day

of the week.

Q. Now, tab 28, there is further evidence from Mr. Keeley on 91

day 67, page 73, where he says he has no direct knowledge

that you were involved in the murders of Breen and

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Buchanan. So you are aware, Mr. Corrigan, that even though

he says that -- he says that at question 469:

"Question: So I am correct you have no direct

knowledge?

Answer: No, I have no direct knowledge, no,

and I wasn't involved in that murder either."

So he has no direct knowledge of your involvement in the

murder of Breen and Buchanan. It's just indirect

information he has, you are aware of that?

A. Yes.

Q. Now, at the next tab, tab 29, in fact, there are a number 92

of the other allegations which Mr. Fulton made against you.

First of all, at the bottom of page -- sorry, it's the

first page there, page 8, day 67, he makes an allegation in

respect of Narrow Water and you. And at question 31:

"Question: Could you try and be more specific,

Mr. Keeley, as to when, by date, you first

became aware that Owen Corrigan was assisting

the IRA?

Answer: By date, I couldn't, sir, but one

instance I was told of, as well, many years

ago, was after the Narrow Water bombing, that

it was said that Owen Corrigan had helped the

IRA at that time.

Question: Now, Mr. Keeley, you weren't in the

IRA at the time of the Narrow Water bombing?

Answer: No. But I had heard it after that,

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yes.

Question: Okay. So when did you hear that?

Answer: I can't remember the exact date, sir.

Question: The Narrow Water bombing was in

August 1979, isn't that correct?

Answer: Yes.

Question: You got involved with the IRA, you

started to, I think your language, hang around

with 'Mooch' Blair around '81 or '82, isn't

that correct?

Answer: That is correct.

Question: Did you become aware of Owen

Corrigan's alleged assistance at that time?

Answer: It would have been around that time

and while I was hanging around with 'Mooch'

Blair and people like that in Dundalk."

Can I ask you, it's 33 years ago, the Narrow Water bombing,

but your evidence appears to be that you were involved in

investigating the scene of the shooting of Mr. Hudson, is

that right?

A. That's right, yes.

Q. And that there was another place which is referred to as 93

the nest or the detonation site?

A. That's right, which was an elevated site which -- totally

overgrown with gorse and vegetation.

Q. Yeah. Now, and it's your recollection -- and, you know, 94

first of all, did you have any involvement in colluding

with the IRA in Narrow Water in respect of anything?

A. Absolutely none.

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Q. But it is your recollection that you weren't involved up in 95

the nest, but you were involved down by where Mr. Hudson

was shot?

A. That's right. When I went down, I was reacting to the

noise of gunfire, because Mr. Hudson's death came as a

result of the British Army were firing across towards the

south, and Mr. Hudson went down to the Narrow Water, which

explains itself, it's very narrow Mr. Chairman, and

Mr. Hudson ran down to the water to see what was happening,

and sure, of course, the British Army, which -- it was only

-- it wouldn't be -- about the width of the room here, and,

of course, they thought he was a member -- they thought he

was a terrorist and they just -- as soon as he ran down,

I'll never forget it, it was down on stones and we were

coming behind him in car, I don't know who was with me now,

I can't recall, but what I can vividly remember is him just

running down and suddenly being -- just turning his head,

falling back and him falling on the stones surrounding the

water.

Q. That was a killing that the Garda Siochana had to 96

investigate because it took place -- the man was shot dead

in the Republic of Ireland, isn't that so?

A. That's right, yes.

Q. Whereas the British Army officers were killed in Northern 97

Ireland, isn't that right?

A. That's right, yes.

Q. The allegation against you in respect of Narrow Water is 98

very vague, and I don't know to what extent it's being made

with any great heart by the people who make it, but the nub

of the allegation is that, and it doesn't really stand up

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to any scrutiny, the nub of the allegation is that you

organised for reeds to be cut down in order to prevent the

RUC from carrying out a proper investigation of the

detonation site. You are aware that's the allegation

against you?

A. But, sure, that's most ridiculous on so many fronts.

Q. Okay. You don't agree with it; it's wrong? 99

A. No, absolutely not. And the people who made it weren't,

obviously, aware of the regulations in relation to one

country -- like, after all, we are talking about different

jurisdictions. There is no question of -- he, that person

alleged that I walked on the grass and prevented an

examination by members of the RUC in a matter of days.

Q. Okay. Now, at page 10 in the tab we're in, it's still day 100

67, and one of the things I asked Mr. Keeley, Mr. Corrigan,

was whether or not he reported all these allegations

against you to his British military handlers, you are aware

of that?

A. Yes.

Q. And at question 44, I put that to him, on page 10: 101

"Question: When you became aware of it for the

first time, did you go back to your handlers

and inform them, 'By the way, I have got a

piece of fascinating information for you.

There is a guard in Dundalk called Corrigan who

is an IRA mole', did you do that?

Answer: I would have mentioned that to

handlers, yes, there is no doubt about it."

So he is saying that he did mention it to his handlers in

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British military intelligence, you are aware of that,

Mr. Corrigan?

A. Yes, of course.

Q. But, of course, when we looked, and we looked at it the 102

last day at Tab 22A, the British Army have given this

Tribunal a summary of any intelligence it has in respect of

this Tribunal's terms of inquiries.

MR. SMITH: Chairman, I don't wish to interrupt, but I

think that's really a matter of submissions. I think that

question was asked a different way on the last occasion.

And obviously in relation to the document that was produced

in relation to the material produced by British

intelligence, that's obviously open to discussion as well,

as to what exactly has been produced and whether there is

more.

CHAIRMAN: That is probably so. I think you are probably

correct in that, that it is more a matter of submissions.

Nevertheless, I don't want to interrupt Mr. O'Callaghan

unnecessarily, and I think I'll give him some latitude.

MR. O'CALLAGHAN: Yes. I was going to pass on from that.

Q. But you are aware, Mr. Corrigan, that at tab 22A there is a 103

summary of army intelligence for the Smithwick Tribunal.

I'm not asking you to go back to -- I opened it the other

day for you. But nowhere in that is there any suggestion

that what Mr. Keeley says is correct. What does that lead

you to believe about Mr. Keeley's allegations against you?

A. Well, he was acting totally and completely at all times

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with the full authorisation of the secret service attached

to the British Army and the RUC and he did it for a variety

of motives, but mainly financial. And, of course, he was

drawing a weekly wage and put up in his accommodation, so

it was imperative that he had some story to have every week

to keep his handlers happy.

Q. Okay, but if he had been aware in March 1989, on the day of 104

the murders, that 'our friend' had helped out, you agree

with me he would have reported that to the British

handlers, his British handlers?

A. Absolutely. He'd be delighted to be in the position...

Q. You are aware there is no record of that with the British 105

military?

A. Absolutely.

Q. Secondly, if it was the case that he got into a car with a 106

guard such as yourself in Fintan Callan's Céilí House --

A. Yes.

Q. -- that he would have reported that to his handlers, and 107

there is no record of that?

A. With the greatest haste possible.

Q. Now, tab 30, Mr. Keeley makes another allegation against 108

you, which is in respect of Omeath. And at the top of the

first page there, page 20, at question 97, he is asked:

"Question: Prior to the 20th March 1989, what

assistance had Owen Corrigan provided to the

IRA?

Answer: Well, I told you what I was told, the

stories I was told by 'Mooch' and them people

about the Omeath stuff.

Question: No. I am not trying to trick you

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out. Omeath was in August 1989, some five

months after the murders of the two RUC

officers. So on the day of the murder of the

RUC officers when Mr. A said to you 'our friend

helped us out', you must have, you couldn't

have known about Omeath at the time, isn't that

so?"

But he proceeds to go on there and deal with Omeath. Do

you know what he is talking about, the Omeath is a large

bomb-find by the guards in August '89?

A. That's right.

Q. A bomb-find that seems to be denigrated by the PSNI here 109

when they were questioning you. But what is your

recollection of that bomb-find? Was it a large bomb-find?

A. I don't know. I haven't -- because I wasn't dealing with

it.

Q. You weren't involved in it at all? 110

A. No, Mr. Connolly was dealing with that, and I've very,

very, very sketchy details in relation to it.

Q. Was this the one where you were up in the airplane? No, am 111

I confusing that, now?

A. That's Co. Meath.

Q. Is Omeath the occasion when you were up in the airplane? 112

A. No.

Q. Okay. 113

A. Omeath was the man -- in actual fact, the only man --

Q. Parker? 114

A. Parker is right.

Q. Okay. So, your recollection is, you weren't involved in 115

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the --

A. No.

Q. -- Omeath. And the allegation against you is that you 116

organised for fingerprints to be destroyed and that was a

way of assisting the IRA. Is there any truth in that

allegation?

A. That never happened, sure.

Q. And you are aware of the evidence being given by the Garda 117

Siochana that, in fact, they got fingerprints from the

scene in Omeath. Are you aware of that?

A. That's right, I am aware of that.

MR. SMITH: Chairman, again, I don't want to interrupt

again. I don't wish to interrupt My Friend's flow. Just

to be clear what Mr. Keeley said in relation to Omeath. On

day 67 at question 53, Mr. O'Callaghan asked him: "Did he

specifically state to you 'our friend' has got rid of the

fingerprints?" Mr. Keeley's response to that was "No".

But he knew fingerprints were on the things and he had

assumed that's what it meant. So his evidence was that he

wasn't specifically told that fingerprint evidence had been

destroyed.

MR. O'CALLAGHAN: Okay, I thank My Friend for that

clarification.

Q. So Mr. Keeley isn't saying definitively that you destroyed 118

fingerprints; he is assuming that you destroyed

fingerprints. Is his assumption correct?

A. That would appear.

Q. No, is his assumption correct, Mr. Keeley's? 119

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A. No, it's not.

Q. Could I now ask you to go to tab 32, and I asked Mr. Keeley 120

to describe you on day 67, it's page 29. At question 158,

I said to him:

"Question: Describe him." -- that's you.

"Answer: When I seen him then he was actually

tall, he was very bulky then so he was.

Question: How tall was he?

Answer: A lot taller than me. I am only five-

five.

Question: Okay. How tall would you say he

was?

Answer: How tall? I am not great at heights,

sir, how long is a piece of string? To me, he

is asking me questions that I am not going

remember, the exact height of the man, what

colour is his shoes, that's the next one.

Question: Was he tall or short?

Answer: He was taller than me but shorter than

some of the guards. Is that any help to you?

Question: No, it's not.

Answer: You see, the questions he is asking

me --

Question. Was he fat or thin?

Answer: He wasn't thin, he was very bulky.

Question: Was very, very fat, is that what

you are saying?

Answer: I am not saying he is fat, but he

would have been overweight.

Question: Was he bald or he did he have hair?

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Answer: He had hair.

Question: Did you notice anything distinctive

about his speech?

Answer: Not really, no.

Question: Did he speak to you?

Answer: I can't remember if he interrogated me

in this thing but, you see, again, what colour

is his shoes, that's the next one, is it?

Question. No, it's not. I am asking you about

his speech.

Answer: He has a southern accent."

The next tab, tab 33, Mr. Dillon, on behalf of the

Tribunal, suggested to you that, in fact, Mr. Keeley

described you very well. Do you agree with that,

Mr. Corrigan?

A. I can't recall now.

Q. Well, he says that you are taller than five-foot-five but 121

you are smaller than some guards. Like, presumably there

are guards who are six-foot-five, six-foot-six?

A. That's a very general statement, yeah.

Q. So, do you think Mr. Keeley gave an accurate description of 122

you?

A. I don't know. I haven't heard him give an accurate

description.

Q. Okay. 123

A. I am asked to take deductions from something without having

any particulars.

Q. Okay, that's fair enough. Could I ask you then to go to 124

tab 34. And the reason I asked Mr. Keeley these questions

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is because, on the 14th November 2004, the Observer

newspaper published an article on foot of an interview with

Mr. Keeley, and, during that interview, Mr. Keeley told the

author of the article, Mr. McDonald, that the reason he

knew you was that you had arrested him. And Mr. Keeley

said to Mr. McDonald in 2004, "I was interrogated by

Corrigan in Dundalk Garda Station at one stage. We all

knew about Corrigan. It was basically the worse-kept

secret within a certain group of IRA men."

Now, I then asked him, if you look at tab 34 and if you go

to the second page, page 25, I asked him about whether or

not he interrogated -- you interrogated him. And at

question 134, the following exchange takes place:

"Question: The only time you encountered him?

Answer: In the garda station.

Question: Okay. And did he arrest you?

Answer: No, he didn't arrest me.

Question: Did he interrogate you?

Answer: He came into the interrogation room

because I remember him coming into it.

Question: Did he interrogate you?

Answer: He was in the interrogation room when

I was getting interrogated, well spoken to, it

wasn't even an interrogation.

Question: Did he interrogate you ?

Answer: He came into the room and the

detectives were in the interrogation room.

Question: Mr. Keeley, it's a very simple

question: was the retired detective

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sergeant one of the people who

interrogated you when you were arrested and

held in Dundalk on the 30th June 1989?

Answer: He came into the room when I was

interrogated, being interrogated by --

Chairman: Did he interrogate you himself?

Answer: He was in the room when other

detectives were talking to me, but I would

count those people in the room --

Chairman: did he not take part in the

interrogation?

Answer: I can't remember, but he was in the

room.

Mr. O'Callaghan: Your evidence is you can't

remember whether he interrogated you or not?

Answer: Well he was in the room, he came into

the room.

Question: Okay. But you can't remember

whether he interrogated you or not?

Answer: I can't remember the names of the

other people either.

Question: I am not asking you that question.

You can't remember whether Owen Corrigan

interrogated you or not, is that correct

Answer: No, that's correct."

Do you recall ever arresting Mr. Keeley?

A. No.

Q. Do you recall ever interrogating him? 125

A. No. Sure, I never seen him. I wouldn't know him.

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Q. Okay. Now, the next tab is tab 35, and I suppose this 126

relates to evidence Mr. Keeley gave about the meeting in

Fintan Callan's Céilí House, and he says that there were

two abductions of Tom Oliver.

A. Yes.

Q. I know you weren't in the guards at the time, but from your 127

information and recollection, is that correct?

A. No, it's not correct.

Q. Mr. Keeley told the Chairman that he was part of the gang 128

that tied up Mr. Oliver, tied him up like a chicken, is

what Mr. Keeley said, and had him in the back of a van?

A. That's right, yes.

Q. And then he says that he subsequently released him and he 129

was -- that they subsequently released him and then he was

subsequently kidnapped again. Are you aware of any

information in respect of corroborating what he has said?

A. No, absolutely none. Tom Oliver, there was only one

kidnapping of him.

Q. If you could now go to tab 37. I have finished now with 130

Mr. Keeley, Mr. Corrigan, okay?

A. Yes.

Q. And you know that the nature of his evidence against you is 131

very tenuous. He simply says that he heard that 'our

friend' helped out after the murders, that's the extent of

it. Okay. Now, I want to look at Mr. Hurst. And at tab

37, there is an excerpt from day 92, page 88. First of

all, had you ever heard of Mr. Hurst during your time as a

guard?

A. No.

Q. You know he has written a book? 132

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A. I have heard of that, I didn't read it now.

Q. It's called 'Stakeknife'. And, of course, Mr. Keeley is 133

also an author. Have you read Mr. Keeley's book?

A. No, I haven't, no.

Q. So both of them have certain things in common: they have 134

both written books and they both have two names?

A. Absolutely. They are both liars, yeah.

Q. Page 88, at the bottom of day 92, Mr. Hurst is asked the 135

following: Question 431:

"Question: Do you have any good linking Owen

Corrigan in colluding with the IRA in the

murder of those two RUC officers?

Answer: No, not directly.

Question: Do you have any information linking

Owen Corrigan in colluding with the IRA in the

killing of those two RUC officers?

Answer: Only what the Cipher 82, we have

discussed.

Question: Okay. Are you stating that Witness

82 said to you the Owen Corrigan leaked

information to the IRA that assisted them in

murdering the two officers?

Answer: I think that would be a general

description of that conversation, yeah.

Question: What did Witness 82 say to you?

Answer: That's what I have just explained to

you, that we had a general discussion that Mr.

Scappaticci and Owen Corrigan had been involved

and had relayed information to Witness 82 via

Scappaticci that there had been some

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involvement with Mr. Corrigan.

Question: Where did this conversation with

Witness 82 take place?

Answer: In Thiepval on a football...

Question: When did it take place?

Answer: In social surroundings.

Question: Who brought up the topic of the

murder of Breen and Buchanan?

Answer: Well it was a pretty -- it was well

reported and it is what you might call a

spectacular.

Question: I thought you said earlier it wasn't

really a matter of relevance for the army?

Answer: Not for the army, I am talking

generally."

Then, if you go over the page to page 90, and if you just

look at the answer to question 439, Mr. Hurst says:

"Answer: Okay, sir, Cipher 82 told me that

Mr. Corrigan was being handled by Mr.

Scappaticci and had admitted or passed

information to the IRA which was used in the

attack upon Mr. Breen and Mr. Buchanan, and it

was the communication. There was no specific

details because it wasn't in the context that

we were discussing it.

Question: Did you take from it that Mr.

Scappaticci had told Witness 82 that

Mr. Corrigan had given him this information?

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Answer: Yes.

Question: So your evidence is that Owen

Corrigan leaked information to Freddie

Scappaticci which had the effect of resulting

in the death of these two officers?

Answer: No, no, no, no. I am not saying the

information was leaked to Mr. Scappaticci, what

I am saying to you is that Mr. Scappaticci was

making it aware that Mr. Corrigan had leaked it

to members of the IRA."

Now, first of all, did you know Freddie Scappaticci?

A. No, never met him.

Q. I think, and this may be with the passage of time and your 136

memory is not helping you, but I think you did prepare C77s

in respect of Freddie Scappaticci?

A. Oh, I did, yeah, but that would be -- that would be -- I

must explain to you, Mr. Chairman, that this would be -- we

had 500 activists in Dundalk, and that meant -- when I

went, there was just in excess of 40, so I brought it up -

my team, rather, brought it up from 40 to 530, I think, but

I wouldn't be aware of every single individual that was

coming in and out. Sure, they were coming in and out like

a train station and there was a lot of work involved in --

because, you see, the precursor to listing anyone in the --

as members of the IRA, was, first and foremost, who he was

associating with, what he was doing, if he was on --

involved in robberies or any type of crime, good, bad or

indifferent, and you'd build up a profile of him before a

decision would be made, and then we'd have a discussion, a

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collective discussion, about -- amongst ourselves, to see

if it warranted. So, as you can appreciate, I had -- it is

a lot of work, so I had a full-time secretary. So, after

the discussion with the rest of the lads, I would draft out

the file on this particular individual, any particular

individual, and he would process it, type it, file it and

send it up to the Commissioner. So that's the way, like --

the same thing happened with Paddy O'Callaghan. If --

people report here. I didn't know Paddy O'Callaghan. I

didn't know Paddy O'Callaghan. I wrote about him in the

course of my correspondence, but Paddy O'Callaghan was

Paddy O'Callaghan, the same as 500 others. Just before I

finish, Mr. --

Q. No problem. 137

A. I wouldn't have spent ten hours on outdoor duty in the

week, Mr. Chairman, because I was fully flat-out in

administrative work, trying to keep -- setting out all the

duties of the subordinate members and alternations, people

going sick, holidays, changes, and all that, and I wouldn't

have time to be out seeing these people, and except I was

there when they were actually brought in, I wouldn't have

an opportunity of physically -- I wouldn't know

Mr. Scappaticci if he walked into the room.

Q. Are you aware that your solicitor has written to the guards 138

inquiring whether there are C77s that you generated in

respect of Patsy O'Callaghan and Freddie Scappaticci, are

you aware that that --

A. I am aware, and I would say, without any real credence, but

I would say that I would have written and reported on both

of those individuals.

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Q. Well, that's the response that was given by the Gardaí to 139

your solicitor, and that's something that perhaps the

guards will deal with in their re-examination or

cross-examination.

Were you handled by Freddie Scappaticci?

A. No, I was not.

Q. Mr. Corrigan, we have to ask you these questions because 140

the allegation has been put out there by Mr. Hurst.

A. Sure, I have already told you, Mr. O'Callaghan, I don't

even know the man.

Q. Okay. Now, tab 38, more evidence from Mr. Hurst on day 92, 141

and if you go to the second page, page 44, you'll see at

the bottom of that page, at question 210, where Mr. Hurst

is asked the following question:

"Question: Are you saying that the

intelligence documents that you saw suggested

that Mr. Corrigan was leaking information to

the IRA?

Answer: Yes, yes.

Question: Can you give us any idea as to, for

example, the content of one of those

allegations that were being made?

Answer: As I have explained to you previously

in private investigative session the best place

to go and source that documentation is to go

and obtain the actual intelligence documents,

as I did with Lord Stevens, and to give an

example, Stevens one, Stevens two didn't

obtain any intelligence documents until Stevens

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three, and then I showed him where to go and

look and they obtained from the MOD forms 24

and MOD forms 102s, all the documents which

proved that there had indeed been collusion."

Did you leak information to the IRA as suggested by

Mr. Hurst?

A. I most certainly did not. And I think it's the greatest

insult to my integrity.

Q. Some people here have tried to suggest, Mr. Corrigan, when 142

they are questioning you, that, in some respect, you are

tolerant or you are sympathetic towards the IRA. What do

you say to that insinuation that has been advanced at the

Tribunal?

A. Well, I find a lot of the comments, including comments in

relation to several of my matters that were raised, very

hurtful, including the allegations that was made by counsel

for the Tribunal that I was malingering and that I was

guilty of deception, which I found to be deeply offensive.

Q. We will deal with that presently. But in terms of the 143

insinuation that you were sympathetic to the IRA during

your 30 years in Dundalk, is that correct?

A. Well, what I will say to that, you have had enough people

up here to give you a true, accurate account of that

statement to see how ridiculous it is, and anyone that

would issue such a statement in respect of me, would be

issuing it with total and absolute malicious intent.

Nobody was more opposed to the IRA, and fought every day of

my life and was well-known for my antagonistic approach to

them. So I don't know where the source of that was, but it

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would be certainly mischievous to be coming from somebody

that had something to say derogatory about me.

Q. And isn't it the case that the Provisional IRA murdered 144

many of your colleagues in the Garda Siochana?

A. Absolutely.

Q. And, indeed, members of the defence forces, isn't that 145

correct?

A. Absolutely, including members from Dundalk in '84, the full

unit from Dundalk went up to Drumree post office,

Co. Meath, 13 of them from Dundalk, every one of them, and

we arrested every one of them and charged them.

Q. Do you see any irony in the fact that after 30 years of 146

murdering people, that this State --

CHAIRMAN: Do you want a few minutes' recess, Mr. Corrigan,

or Mr. O'Callaghan?

A. No, it's okay. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.

MR. O'CALLAGHAN: You are okay now, Mr. Corrigan?

A. Yes.

Q. You are aware, Mr. Corrigan, that the Chairman is 147

conducting this inquiry because he's been asked by the

Oireachtas to carry out the inquiry?

A. Oh, absolutely, yes.

Q. And he has no option but to investigate this because the 148

State has said to him "we want you to investigate this

issue," you are aware of that?

A. Yes, I understand fully the Chairman's situation.

Q. Do you see any irony, and perhaps it's a comment you may 149

wish to make, do you see any irony in the fact that this

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State, after 30 years of violence from the IRA, decides

that the one issue it will decide to investigate is Garda

behaviour in that alleged collusion with the IRA?

A. I wouldn't say it's the only one, now. The terms of

condition were to investigate all terms of the security

forces in general, you know.

Q. But the Chairman is mandated to inquire into Garda 150

collusion or collusion by civil servants in IRA murders?

A. That's right, I understand now that's his situation.

Q. Could I ask you to go to tab 40. More of Mr. Hurst's 151

evidence, page 54, on day 92, bottom of the page, question

274:

"Question: What connection was there between

Mr. Scappaticci and Mr. Corrigan?

Answer: Oh, Witness 82 told me that Mr.

Scappaticci effectively acted as the conduit

for information, in other words the handler of

Mr. Corrigan.

Question: That is Witness 82?

Answer: I apologise, yes.

Question: He told you that?

Answer: Yes."

So you will see, I think, from Mr. Hurst's evidence,

Mr. Corrigan, that everything he says about you was told to

him by Witness 82, you are aware of that?

A. That's right, yeah.

Q. So he says -- he comes to the Chairman and he says Witness 152

82 told me Corrigan was handled by Scappaticci, Witness 82

told me Corrigan was leaking information, Witness 82 told

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me that Corrigan had an involvement in Breen and Buchanan

murders.

Fortunately, Witness 82 is alive and well and he came to

the Tribunal on the 25th April 2012, and some of his

evidence is at tab 41.

And if you could go to page 157, I want to try and cut out

all of the long question, but at page 157, about five lines

from the top, I ask him:

"Are you aware of any document of that nature

referring to Owen Corrigan?"

That's a document referring to you as being a rogue guard.

And Witness 82 said:

"Answer: I have never seen a document

referring to Mr. Corrigan, as far as I can

recall."

Then, over the next page, page 158, at question 816, he is

asked the following -- Mr. Hurst was asked:

"Question: Further down, page 43, line 25, he

was asked 'are you saying that the

intelligence documents that you saw suggested

that Mr. Corrigan was leaking information to

the IRA' to which he said 'yes, yes'. I think

you have made it clear to the Chairman that you

haven't seen any such documents?

Answer: I have seen no such documents."

And then if you could go to the last -- page 160 in that

tab, and just question 821. At the end of question 821, he

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asked, Witness 82 is asked:

"Question: Did you have conversations with

Mr. Hurst about Mr. Corrigan?

Answer: Well, I had no information about

Mr. Corrigan, so, to the best of my knowledge,

I don't see how I could have had that

conversation with Mr. Hurst."

Then, if you go to the next tab, Mr. Corrigan.

A. What number is that, Mr. O'Callaghan?

Q. 42. 153

A. Yeah.

Q. And at question 888, it is put to Witness 82 the evidence 154

that was given by Mr. Hurst about you colluding with the

murders of Breen and Buchanan and you colluding with

Mr. Scappaticci, and the answer to question 888 from

Mr. Hurst, when he was asked did he have such a

conversation, and he says:

"Answer: No, no, not that I can recall. I am

not aware of any such relationship, as I have

said, between the individuals mentioned, and

therefore I can't see how I could have had that

conversation with him.

Question: He goes on to say, as you will see

further down the page starting at page 23, the

conversation took place in Thiepval, he said on

a football pitch and then he said in social

surroundings. As you say, you have no

recollection of this conversation, is that

right?

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Answer: Not only have I no recollection of it,

I am highly sceptical that I could have had

that conversation with him, inasmuch as I was

never in that possession of that information,

to the best of my knowledge."

And he continues there to state he never said these things

to Mr. Hurst. What does that lead you to believe about the

evidence given by Mr. Hurst?

A. Well, it proves that he is totally unreliable.

Q. And could I ask you to go to the last page in that tab, and 155

it's the transcript, it's in a different format, it's in

page 13, and it's entitled "Witness 82, D93". And just in

the middle of it, at line 13, I had asked Witness 82 why

did he think that Mr. Hurst was making up all these

allegations about you, and the question I put at question

911, is:

"Question: What do you believe, and it is only

your opinion, Major, what do you believe is

Mr. Hurst's motivation for his career, whereby

he is writing about his position in the FRU and

his telling, publicly, information he has about

intelligence, what do you believe is his

motivation in all of this?

Answer: Well, I think he has made a career out

of it, so I can only assume that it's because

of that. He has got a career in it, he is

earning money out of it."

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Do you believe that provides an explanation as to why

Mr. Hurst came here and gave false evidence about you?

A. Oh, I would accept that fully.

Q. And you are aware that Mr. Hurst said that he mentioned 156

your name to Garda Basil Walsh and Peter Maguire, he said

he came to the guards and he said "Corrigan is a bad egg,"

blah-blah-blah. They have given evidence, which is at tabs

43 and 44, I don't need to open it, of day 93 and 94, they

gave evidence stating that that simply didn't happen; you

are aware of that?

A. I am indeed, Mr. Chairman, yeah.

Q. Now, near the back of this book, Mr. Corrigan, you may 157

recall during your examination-in-chief by Mr. Dillon, that

at one stage you gave evidence about when you became aware

of Kevin Fulton, or Peter Keeley, for the first time; do

you remember Mr. Dillon was asking you and you said some

guard had approached you, Jim Sheridan had approached you

outside Dundalk Garda Station?

A. No, the other way around. I just asked him, I was passing

by the Garda station, he was coming out to his car.

Q. And there was -- I put the transcript of the evidence in 158

here, but ultimately, you said that you believed it was

sometime around 2000, but --

MR. DILLON: This may be of assistance. The Tribunal has

been able to make contact with now-Chief Superintendent

Sheridan, and he confirms there was a meeting. He does not

recollect what was said, but he confirms there was a

meeting when he was a Superintendent in Dundalk and that

was between the years 2005 and 2010.

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A. Well, I'm not in a position now to --

MR. O'CALLAGHAN: Well, that's a helpful interjection.

A. Yeah, it's --

MR. O'CALLAGHAN: Let me speak for a second, Mr. Corrigan.

That's a helpful interjection by Mr. Dillon, Chairman,

because there was some confusion. I think the reason why

the Tribunal was interested, Mr. Corrigan in his evidence

may have indicated it was much earlier.

A. That's right.

Q. But do you accept it was obviously between '05 and '10? 159

A. My consequent inquiries led me to believe it was ten years

later than I had originally thought it was, and that it was

in around 2009 or 2010.

Q. Okay. 160

Chairman, the good news is I am finished with Book 1, but

the bad news is I have a Book 2, I am afraid, but I'm going

to be able to get through it a lot quicker than Book 1.

Mr. Corrigan, Ms. McKevitt will hand up a book now which

will be of use. Do you have a copy, Mr. Corrigan?

A. Of which?

Q. Of Book 2? 161

A. No.

MR. O'CALLAGHAN: Chairman, I don't know if you have a

copy?

CHAIRMAN: I have a copy, yes. It's just been given to me

now.

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Q. MR. O'CALLAGHAN: Mr. Corrigan, we have finished now 162

dealing with Messrs Fulton and Keeley, and there is about

three or four more areas I want to deal with you, and the

first area I want to deal with is the famous SB50 from

1985, do you understand that?

A. Yes.

Q. And I want to start by asking you to look at Tab 1 of the 163

book which you have in front of you, and this is an excerpt

from the report of the Historical Inquiries Team into the

death of a man called William Francis McGreanary, okay.

The reason I refer you to it is the because, on the second

page on the tab, which is page 25, there is an assessment

of intelligence sources and intelligence material. I just

want to know do you agree with it, because it appears to

give a fairly balanced assessment of how intelligence

should be regarded. And the third paragraph from the

bottom of page 25, the report, which is from the PSNI

Historical Inquiries Unit says the following:

"Intelligence sources may be reliable or unreliable. There

are occasions when intelligence received is no more than

local gossip or rumour, or may even be given maliciously.

In all cases the intelligence has to be assessed, and steps

taken to ensure that it is disseminated to the

investigators of crime, due consideration is given to that

intelligence and acted upon where appropriate. Police take

every precaution to protect the identity of intelligence

sources."

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Now, would you agree with that, what appears to be balanced

assessment, of how you should approach intelligence

information?

A. Absolutely.

Q. Now, the SB50 that was generated in 1985, was that SB50 or 164

the content of it ever brought to your attention between

1985 and 1992 when you left the guards?

A. No, no.

Q. Did anyone from the RUC ever mention it to you? 165

A. No.

Q. Did any garda every mention it to you? 166

A. No, no. Sure the guards, as far as I know, they weren't

aware of it.

Q. Now, at Tab 2 we have Witness X, who was the officer who 167

received the SB50 and who was, I think, the assessing

officer in respect of it. And he says, he was asked by

Mr. Valentine, on Day 93, at question 548 the following:

"Question: Witness X, do you recall whether

the intelligence information recorded here was

first-hand knowledge; in other words, did the

source perceive with his own eyes Mr. Corrigan

helping out the boys or it was a secondhand

knowledge?

Answer: As far as I would have been aware it

would have been secondhand.

Question: And by that do you mean that he

heard someone else say that --

Answer: Yes, like --

Question: -- that this was the case?

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Answer: Like hearsay, the same category as

hearsay evidence.

Question: In the same category as hearsay

evidence?

Answer: Yes.

Question: In other words, the source who

provided this information to your officers had

heard someone else say that 'Owen Corrigan, a

Sergeant in Garda Special Branch in Dundalk is

helping out the Provisional IRA'.

Answer: In all probability, yeah.

Question: How many SB50s of this nature would

have dealt with on a -- in your job?

Answer: On average, anything from 50 to 60 per

day."

Then the next page, page 98, Witness X gives his assessment

of this SB50.

At question 587 he is questioned:

"Question: When he received this intelligence

in 1985 that indicated that Detective Sergeant

Corrigan was helping out the Provisional IRA,

did you believe it?

Answer: To be quite honest, it didn't really

-- it didn't concern me. From my own point of

view, I didn't believe it.

Question: How would you have -- how did you

characterise the intelligence in your own -- I

know the grading was medium, but why did you

not believe it?

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Answer: Well again, as I say, like, it just

seemed to me like gossip more than

intelligence.

Question: Did it affect how you continued to

deal professionally with Detective Sergeant

Corrigan after that?

Answer: No, it didn't, no.

Question: So you continued to meet him in

exactly the same fashion that you had prior to

June 1985?

Answer: Well, we had different arrangements

for meeting, but I was advised not to -- on one

occasion, I was advised not to go back to

Dundalk Garda Station by Detective Sergeant

Corrigan."

Mr. Corrigan, are you aware -- don't name him -- are you

aware of who Witness X is?

A. No.

Q. But you -- obviously, he is a man whom you worked with? 168

A. Oh, yes, yeah. And remember, like, I have a very sketchy

recollection of him being in Dundalk Station and I going

through this public reception area and seeing two leading

Provos downstairs awaiting service, and I wouldn't allow

them -- I went upstairs then and I wouldn't allow them to

leave the situation until I put surveillance on those two

men and to follow them until their ultimate destination,

and when they were cleared I put another two men to escort

them to the border. I was extremely conscious at all times

that the presence of RUC in or around Dundalk or this

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jurisdiction demanded that they be escorted at all times by

members of the Gardaí.

Q. What year would that have been about? That was when you 169

were in charge of Dundalk?

A. Yes.

Q. Mr. Dillon, when questioning you, said, well why didn't 170

you, you know, of your own accord, state in March 1989,

when Breen and Buchanan were there or when other officers

were coming, why didn't you give directions to

Superintendent Connolly, or whoever, that the car should be

put in the back?

A. Sure I couldn't -- it wouldn't be my job to do that.

Q. But the hierarchy in a garda station is that there are 171

people in charge and there are people below?

A. That's right. And with their elevated status comes

responsibility.

Q. Are you aware of how, at that time, the RUC graded 172

intelligence information?

A. No, not really, no.

Q. The way -- 173

A. But I do know, without stopping you, Mr. O'Callaghan, I do

know that they had a much more lukewarm, or relaxed outlook

to informants. In other words, if one person was on leave

or anything, two or three or four members of the RUC would

know who that informant was. Where, with us, we kept

informants very, very close to our chest.

Q. You are aware that -- well are you aware that the 174

information, as opposed to the source, was graded from 1 to

6?

A. That's right.

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Q. And the best quality information is graded as 1? 175

A. Yeah.

Q. And the worst quality is graded as 6? 176

A. Yeah.

MR. DILLON: In fairness, I think the correct evidence

given by, I think it was Mr. McConville, should be put to

Mr. Corrigan, which is 6 meant it couldn't be tested.

MR. O'CALLAGHAN: Well, 6 couldn't be tested. But I don't

think there is any dispute that a 1 makes the information

more qualitatively better than a 6, I don't think there is

any dispute about that.

Q. Mr. Corrigan, I can't tell you what grading this SB50 got 177

in terms of the information because the PSNI won't let me

tell you and I can't question you about it, but I hope to

be able to return to the particular grading in due course.

A. I understand the position that you are in, Mr. O'Callaghan.

Q. Could you now go to tab 3, and I suppose the SB50 is 178

particularly interesting because an RUC officer who

received the information came here and identified to the

Chairman who his source was, which I think you'll accept,

Mr. Corrigan, is quite an unusual step, isn't that correct?

A. Not with the RUC. As I have explained already in my

earlier statement, they are quite expendable in the

operations of the RUC.

Q. Okay. At tab 3, we have Day 98, which is the evidence of 179

Witness Z, and the third question, slightly leading

question he is asked is:

"Question: Did you receive this information

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from John McAnulty?

Answer: I did, yes."

So the RUC former officer has put out into the public

domain that he got the information about you from John

McAnulty; you are aware of that?

A. That's right.

Q. And evidence was also given by another witness, Witness Q, 180

and if I could ask you to look at tab 4, Day 100, page 37,

which is the second page in tab 4, Witness Q says the

following in respect of question 223 --

A. Just give me a second, Mr. O'Callaghan. Second page, is

it?

Q. Yeah, tab 4, second page, and question 223 at the top of 181

the page.

"Question: Okay, so if it's graded C6 it

wouldn't be medium, isn't that so?

Answer: In all probability, yes, it would be

medium but the reliability would be just a bit

more in question as regards how true it was --

if it was possible, probable, or otherwise."

And if you go to the next tab, which is tab 5, we have

Witness Z, who is the other former RUC officer who helped

compile the SB50. And he says, tab 5, page 56, question

249:

"Question: And, sir, the grading is given a

letter and a number, isn't that so?

Answer: Correct.

Question: And can you just remind me, the

numbers go from 1 to 6, is that correct?

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Answer: On the bottom line, yes. And on the

top line the letters go A to F.

Question: Okay, and what does, say, a 6 mean,

if it was graded as a 6?

Answer: A 6 would be fairly unreliable."

So you have no reason to doubt that evidence that was given

by the former RUC officer, have you, Mr. Corrigan?

A. I have none, no. I think he didn't attach much

significance to it either.

Q. Okay. Now, if I could ask you to go to tab 8, please, and 182

it was put to you by Mr. Dillon that there was an option

for the RUC not to feed this SB50 into the system, do you

remember that?

A. No, I can't recall.

Q. If you look at tab 8, and if you go to question 274 on day 183

107?

A. Yeah.

Q. "Question: Right, you are asked to apply your 184

policeman's mind -- now do you remember the

question?

Answer: No.

Question: -- to the circumstances where, on

the one hand, a witness says that what he has

received is tittle-tattle, very dangerous

tittle-tattle, doesn't warn you, doesn't warn

the handlers who provide the information, this

is all wrong, and in fact feeds it into the

system, goes up to Headquarters and indeed the

beginning of the process of opening a file

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starts with the white slip."

And then if you go two pages forward, Mr. Corrigan, to page

63 of your examination, at line 12 -- I'll read out what

Mr. Dillon says from line 7. He says:

"No, I think I made it quite clear that the

superior officer didn't write any comment. I

didn't suggest for one moment, because I know

it is not the case, that an SB50 can be ripped

up, but I understand -- sorry, just bear with

me a second -- we can't do it today, I am

sorry, a witness needs to be called, but a

witness will be called who will deal with this

set of circumstances and I believe will confirm

the position that I have put to Mr. Corrigan;

namely, that it is possible if the -- if the

evidence is not believed or is considered not

believable, that that will be written on the

document itself or it can be dealt with in a

different way, but tearing it up does not

arise and I have never even suggested that the

document be torn up."

You are aware that question was put to you by Mr. Dillon?

A. Yes.

Q. And then a witness was called. Are you aware that Mr. 185

McConville came to give evidence on this point on day 108?

A. I was, yes.

Q. If you look at tab 9, I asked Mr. McConville whether or not 186

it was possible not to feed an SB50 into the system, as was

suggested, and at question 294, on day 108, I asked Mr.

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McConville:

"Question: And questions were put to

Mr. Corrigan last week by counsel for the

Tribunal suggesting that Witness X, who was the

submitting officer, would have been able not to

feed this SB50 into the system, would that have

been possible?

Answer: My understanding is that it wouldn't

have been possible. It would have been in the

system.

Question. Sorry, I didn't --

Answer: I will go slower. My understanding --

my knowledge -- my understanding would be that

it would not be possible.

Chairman: It would not be possible?

Answer: It would not be possible. It would

have been in the system on every occasion."

So, do you see from the evidence given by Mr. McConville

there, Mr. Corrigan, that once the SB50 was generated, it

couldn't be not fed into the system; you are aware of that?

A. I am aware of that, yes.

Q. Now, at tab 11, there is further questioning of Witness Z, 187

and rather than go through it all, I just want to say to

you what he said. He said he decided to give evidence here

when he became -- was made aware that there had been

disciplinary hearings instigated against you in relation to

the night that Mr. McAnulty was murdered?

A. Yeah...

Q. Now, were there every any disciplinary proceedings 188

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instigated against --

A. Never.

Q. -- you for allegedly going missing on the night before? 189

Never?

A. Never.

Q. Okay. It's obviously difficult to remember what you were 190

doing back in July 1989 when, or was it August 1989, when

Mr. McAnulty was murdered, but you have now had the benefit

of a C77 that you generated before he was murdered, isn't

that so?

A. That's right.

Q. With the benefit of that C77, what do you believe you were 191

doing on the evening that Mr. McAnulty was kidnapped?

A. I was endeavouring to save the man's life.

CHAIRMAN: Well, could you explain how you were doing that?

A. Well, I was making contact -- there was a question of

moving the body, he was being moved from one place to

another in a certain area of north Louth, you know.

CHAIRMAN: He was dead at that stage?

A. Yeah... well I didn't know... I wasn't in a position to say

specifically, but it transpired he was.

MR. O'CALLAGHAN: So you produced a C77 after Mr. McAnulty

was kidnapped but before you were aware he was murdered?

A. That's right, yes.

Q. In order to put that information into that C77, would you 192

have had to go out and about and meet people and contact

your sources?

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A. Absolutely. It would have been easier for me to stay, hang

around the station and do nothing about it but I was out at

all times trying to save the man's life.

Q. Now, at tab 12, there is further evidence from Witness Z 193

that's relevant to the issue of Mr. McAnulty's safety. And

at tab 12, day 98, page 18, Witness Z is questioned at

question 50 as follows:

"Now, I think you learned, following his death,

that your source went around with an axe in his

car, is that right?

Answer: Yeah, I believe that after his death

the investigation turned up the thing that he

had become concerned for his safety and had

started to carry a hatchet in his car. I was

not aware of that prior to him actually being

murdered."

Would you agree with me that the unfortunate Mr. McAnulty,

if he was travelling around with an axe in his car, he was

concerned for his personal safety?

A. Yes, he was.

Q. Would you agree with me that he must have been aware that 194

there was a threat to his safety if he is travelling with

an axe in his car?

A. It would appear so, yeah.

Q. And indeed, Mr. Prenty gave evidence, and it's at tab 12A 195

of the book, he gave evidence on day 112, when he was

critical of your C77, but he did give relevant evidence as

to the level of knowledge about Mr. McAnulty's position.

And he said, at day 112, answer at line 10 --

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CHAIRMAN: I don't seem to be able to find that.

MR. O'CALLAGHAN: Sorry, Chairman, is there a 12A in your

book?

CHAIRMAN: There is no 12A.

MR. O'CALLAGHAN: I apologise, Chairman, it's up on the

screen. This is the answer Mr. Prenty gave in respect of

your C77. And he said:

"Well, I have given evidence in relation to

piggy-backing and whatnot and the rest of it,

and misuse of information. Sending in a C77

saying that John McAnulty was smuggling and

that he was likely to bring in stuff into the

Northern Ireland and that the IRA would have

been become suspicious of him, would be, with

all due respects, tripe, as far as I was

concerned, because, as I say, every policeman

and every customs man in the border was aware

of what McAnulty was at..."

Now, I just want to pause there. I know you don't agree

with Mr. Prenty's assessment of your C77, but do you agree

with him where he says that everyone was aware, police

officers and customs officers were aware of Mr. McAnulty

and what he was at; that people were aware that the IRA

were suspicious of him?

A. That's right.

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Q. Okay. So it is not as show -- is it the case that you were 196

the only person who was aware that the IRA was suspicious

of John McAnulty?

A. Oh, no, absolutely not.

Q. Now, at tab 13, there is a lengthy excerpt from your 197

evidence on day 107 and 108, and you were questioned

extensively and repeatedly by Mr. Dillon as to why you

didn't warn John McAnulty that his life was danger. Do you

recall that?

A. I do, yeah.

Q. And I'll just give you some of the examples of it. On page 198

54, day 107 the first one: Question 243:

"Question: Why was no step taken to warn him?

Answer: Oh, I can't say now.

Question: Surely if you know that somebody is

in danger of being murdered, you take steps to

make sure that person is warned, isn't that

right?

Answer: Perhaps, yes.

Question: And you didn't do that, did you?

Answer: No, I didn't.

Question: Why?

Answer: I don't know.

Question: We know that Mr. McAnulty was the

man who reported you as being an informant for

the IRA, isn't that right?

Answer: Yes.

Question: Had that anything to do with it?

Answer: Pardon?

Question: Had that anything to do with it?

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Answer: No, I don't know, I can't speak for

Mr. McAnulty."

So Mr. Dillon is saying there to you why didn't you warn

Mr. McAnulty, but he is also suggesting to you that you had

knowledge of the SB50 in 1989 when Mr. McAnulty was

murdered, is that correct?

A. No, it's not.

Q. You didn't know anything about it?199

A. No, I didn't know it until this Tribunal sat.

Q. And is there any evidence you are aware of in this Tribunal 200

indicating that if it was brought to your attention, has

anyone ever said that in this Tribunal?

A. No.

Q. Now, if you go over the next page, page 66, question 277:201

"Question: Well now, let's just -- it comes

back to the question why wasn't he warned?

Answer: I don't know. I can't say that,

Mr. Dillon.

Question: And I am sorry to come back to the

point but you didn't warn him, isn't that

right?

Answer: I didn't, no.

Question: And you had this information?

Answer: I had, yes.

Question: Which might have saved his life?

Answer: Pardon?

Question: It might have saved his life if

he had been warned?

Answer. It might have, yes."

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Can I just ask you that, what information did you have,

Mr. Corrigan, or did you have information suggesting that

Mr. McAnulty was going to be attacked or murdered, or was

it just general information about him that you had?

A. It was general information, you know, and there was an air

of apprehension in the area at the time, you know.

CHAIRMAN: It must have been a very strong feeling that he

was in danger. You say you felt his life was in danger?

A. That's right, because, you see, it was part of a time when

the IRA had taken. They went from time to time in periods

in the campaign where they dealt with persons who were

perceived to be giving information, and anyone that was

arrested in Northern Ireland, as Mr. McAnulty was, and on

very extensive charges and was released without being

charged, that immediately set off the alarm bells within

the investigative unit. They had their own investigative

unit, and it set off the alarm bells in the investigative

unit in relation to why, and that's why anyone that was

arrested and released without being charged was inevitably

kidnapped and interviewed, and, naturally enough, in a lot

of cases, the Gardaí would never become aware of that

because the people were afraid to report it.

Q. MR. O'CALLAGHAN: But is it the case, Mr. Corrigan, that no 202

source came to you and said John McAnulty is going to be

murdered?

A. No, no.

Q. No one said that? 203

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A. No.

Q. Just so as we're clear for the Chairman? 204

A. Absolutely.

Q. Or, no one came to you and said "John McAnulty is going to 205

be shot", is that correct?

A. No. And I mean, John McAnulty wasn't the only one that was

the source of similar threats; it was part of everyday

occurrence around the border.

CHAIRMAN: But you felt he was in danger?

A. Yes, as were a number of others.

CHAIRMAN: Yes...

A. Once any person became anything of an audacious nature,

they immediately brought themselves under the telescope

and, as I said to you, Mr. Chairman, from time to time,

sometimes it was okay, there was no action taken, and other

times there were, action was taken and the next thing was

you'd find them executed or their body dumped, in Northern

Ireland specifically.

Q. MR. O'CALLAGHAN: And Mr. McAnulty was involved in 206

smuggling, is that so?

A. Yes.

Q. Is it your evidence to the Chairman that anyone involved in 207

smuggling across the border at that time was under threat

from the IRA?

A. Yes, precisely, yes.

Q. Okay, so that's the source for your belief that he was -- 208

A. And as I explained to you, they have to have the benefit in

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kind when they are arrested. You see, this smuggling, you

are talking about 40 tonne of grain that is a subsidy from

the EU and that could be worth £3,000 to the smuggler each

time he crossed the border and had it stamped at the

outgoing customs post at Carrigenagh. So the more runs he

could do, it could accumulate into huge money. So that's

why I'm saying that it was periodic clampdown by the RUC in

relation to other members on the border. But some of the

members on the border were purely using the IRA for their

own self-preservation, Mr. Chairman.

Q. And we have seen Mr. Prenty give evidence to the Chairman 209

that he was aware that the IRA would have been suspicious

of John McAnulty. From your --

A. I don't know, I can't comment.

Q. From your experience, do you think other members of An 210

Garda Siochana, would, like Mr. Prenty, have been aware

that the IRA would have been suspicious of Mr. McAnulty?

A. Yes.

Q. You said you didn't report it to Mr. McAnulty. Was Mr. 211

McAnulty resident in Northern Ireland or the Republic of

Ireland?

A. In Northern Ireland.

Q. Okay. 212

A. He lived in Warrenpoint.

Q. Now, so if you were trying to notify him, would you agree 213

with me that the most appropriate way to do it would be to

contact the Royal Ulster Constabulary?

A. Yes.

Q. Now, in your evidence, and in fairness to you, you say 214

about this, but you're not sure, but do you believe that

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you did contact the RUC?

A. Well, as I said, as I explained to you before,

Mr. Chairman, I can't say that I did and I can't say that I

didn't, and I had no reason for not having done so, because

everything else with the two leaders in Newry, which was

Number 27 and the other man now, I don't know his name,

they were the two men who were in charge in Newry during my

13 years, and anything that I had that was of benefit to

those, because they were -- both of them were here and

spoke very highly of me, and I didn't know -- I just want

to elaborate -- I didn't know any RUC men just to meet and

greet, I knew the two brave officers who were killed, but I

didn't know... there were a couple of other officers, now,

that... I don't know whether they are here or not because

they were appearing behind screens, but those two men in

Newry, I would have no reason to doubt why I didn't, but I

couldn't recall actually telling them about Mr. McAnulty.

Q. Okay. One of the things the Tribunal say is that there is 215

no document evidencing you telling the RUC about the threat

to Mr. McAnulty. Would it always be the case that if you

were passing on information to the RUC, that you would do

so in writing?

A. No. We'd never do it in writing.

Q. Okay. So if you did inform the RUC, it would have been 216

done at a meeting or over the phone, perhaps?

A. Absolutely... well, no, no, at a meeting, at a meeting on a

day to day... I was meeting those men at least twice every

week, so I don't... cannot categorically say that I did or

I didn't. I can't remember everything.

Q. Okay, you can't remember?217

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A. No.

Q. But on balance, looking back at how you operated your 218

career, do you think, on the balance of probabilities, you

probably did inform the --

A. I did. Well I have no reason to doubt because everything I

had otherwise within reason I passed it to them.

MR. DILLON: I am sorry to have to intervene again, but the

matter about there being a document was in relation to

evidence that Mr. Corrigan had given that he had reported

to his authorities, not to the RUC.

A. I don't think that was --

MR. DILLON: That's day 108 at page 31, question 120 and

the further questions.

MR. O'CALLAGHAN: Just on that point, Mr. Corrigan. Did

you... do you recall bringing it to the attention of the

Garda Siochana?

A. Oh, yes. Well I would, Mr. Dillon reminds me of that, but

despite that, that wouldn't alter the fact of whether I did

or did not inform the RUC. It doesn't add to or subtract

from the point of conjecture which is being alleged here,

or has been alleged.

Q. Now, if you go to the second-last page in the tab 13, it's 219

page number 54, and again it's from the examination of you

by Mr. Dillon, day 108. It's the second-last page, page

54, question 209. And question 209 is as follows:

"Question: So there was always the danger,

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rightly or wrongly, I am not for one moment

suggesting this is correct, but there was

always the danger that Mr. McAnulty might

report back that you had some alleged

involvement in the murders of Harry Breen and

Bob Buchanan, isn't that right?

Answer: Oh, I can't answer that.

Question: Because you see, this is what the

Chairman has to deal with which is there is a

persistent allegation that you had an

involvement in the murders of Harry Breen and

Bob Buchanan, which you deny?

Answer: From who?

Question: We know that. We know that.

Answer: From who?

Question: Well from Jeffrey Donaldson, from

Kevin Fulton, and we will deal with those."

At the time of the murders of Breen and Buchanan, Mr.

McAnulty was alive, isn't that correct?

A. That's right.

Q. And we know that Mr. McAnulty was providing information to 220

the RUC about you, because he did provide that in 1985,

isn't that so?

A. That's right.

Q. And you are aware that he provided no further intelligence 221

about you after that, are you?

A. Well I'm not aware that he did.

Q. Well, none has been produced by the RUC here and I would 222

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But, at the time of the murders, if Mr. McAnulty had

suspicions about you, he could have reported that to his

superiors, couldn't he?

A. He could have, yes.

Q. Because he was alive at that time. Now, at the next page, 223

is page 55, and this is the eighth occasion, at question

217, this is the eighth occasion upon which you were

questioned by Mr. Dillon as to why you didn't warn this

man, McAnulty. You recall you were asked that on numerous

occasions?

A. Yes.

Q. At question 217. 224

"Question: Good. I want to finish off now

with Mr. McAnulty. You see, I have to put it

to you that the evidence that you gave about

how you handled information that you had before

Mr. McAnulty was murdered is, to use a cliche,

it's a bit of a game changer because we know

now, the Chairman now knows, let's be quite

correct on this, that it was within your gift

to spare a man's life and you didn't do it?

Answer: I wouldn't say I didn't do it."

Now, effectively, there, counsel for the Tribunal are

suggesting to you that you allowed this man to die and you

didn't save his life when you could have saved his life.

Is that correct?

A. No, it's not correct. It's absolutely untrue and

mispresentation(sic) of the facts as they were. I did all

in my power, and I cannot say whether I did or I did not; I

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have already explained that.

Q. But, like, you had no specific information, isn't it 225

correct, at the time that Mr. McAnulty was kidnapped that

he was going to be kidnapped, is that so?

A. No, absolutely.

Q. And all you had, is it correct, was a general suspicion 226

that because he was involved in smuggling, he was going to

be under threat from the IRA, isn't that so?

A. That's right.

Q. And that's something that Mr. Prenty has told us that 227

effectively everyone was aware of that, isn't that correct?

A. That's right.

Q. Now, the last thing I'll finish on today, Mr. Chairman, is 228

tab 14. You are aware of Tom Curran, is that correct?

A. Yes.

Q. He is a Superintendent that was based in Dundalk, is that 229

correct?

A. Monaghan.

Q. Monaghan, I beg your pardon, Monaghan. I want to read out 230

to you the evidence he gave to the Chairman on day 14 in

response to question 82. It's at page 15 of day 14, it's

the first page in tab 14.

Counsel for the Tribunal asked him:

"Now, was there another episode that happened

during those years that you felt was of value

to the Tribunal as coming within its terms of

reference?

Answer: Yes. Well, Mr. Chairman, at one stage

in my service in Monaghan during Bob Buchanan's

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time there I was speaking to a man whom I

believed was a member of the IRA, and he told

me that Bob Buchanan was going to be shot, and

the words that he used, he says 'there is a

fella crossing the border there to see you and

he is going to be shot; he is on the list to be

shot.' You're never sure about the validity of

stories like that from informants but it was a

serious matter as far as I was concerned. I

wrote directly to Crime and Security giving

them that information."

Later on at question 85 he was asked:

"And did you believe your source?

Answer: Well I believed him as much as I

could."

So, you are aware that Tom Curran, and this occurred some

six to nine months before Superintendent Buchanan was

murdered...

A. Yes.

Q. That Tom Curran had information from a source who he 231

believed, as much as he could, an IRA man, that

Superintendent Buchanan was going to be shot?

A. That's right.

Q. And are you aware that he wasn't asked one question by 232

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Buchanan? Are you aware of that?

A. I am aware of that and I found it absolutely astounding

that he wouldn't be asked the most important question here

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Q. And as I said to you, you were questioned, or asked on at 233

least eight occasions by counsel for the Tribunal why you

didn't bring the information about Mr. McAnulty to his

attention, isn't that so?

A. Yes.

Q. And it reached its crescendo when you have been accused of 234

not using your gift to spare man's life. Do you believe

that you were treated unfairly and differently to Mr.

Curran since he had information pertaining to a man who is

the subject matter of this inquiry and he was never

questioned about why he didn't approach him?

A. Oh, well that runs through the treatment that I received

right through from the Tribunal lawyers, that there was no

sense of fair play. The Tribunal's time was taken up with

repeat questions to me, which were very, very irrelevant

questions. And the fact that Mr. Curran received specific

information of the impending murder of one of the people

who has since lost his life and the Tribunal lawyers didn't

see fit to pursue this matter, I'll leave that to the

Chairman.

MR. O'CALLAGHAN: Chairman, I see it's coming to one

o'clock now. I'm not finished, there is another hour in my

examination. The rest of this book will be quicker,

Chairman, because I won't be opening all of the documents,

but, with your leave, Chairman, I'll stop there.

MR. DILLON: Very well, Chairman, that brings us to the end

of today, and indeed to the end of this term, if I can put

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it that way.

One matter I should mention, and it's this: that mention

has been made of C77s relating to Fintan Callan's Ceili

House and relating to Mr. Scappaticci, and apparently we

have now learned that Messrs. Lawlor and Partners, who ares

the solicitors for Mr. Corrigan, have written to the Chief

State Solicitor asking for these documents. Now, the

position is that at this remove, I do not know whether

these documents have in fact already been disclosed to the

Tribunal. This has taken me, I won't say by surprise

because that sounds pejorative, I don't mean at that way,

but this is the first I have heard of it and I can't

recollect whether we already have those documents. But if

we don't, the Commissioner is under continuing obligation

to make disclosure and they should be -- in fact they have

to be provided to the Tribunal as soon as they become

available. But I make that point just to round off on that

question.

That being the case, there is nothing further for today and

it seems that we will reconvene at the earliest on the 28th

August.

CHAIRMAN: Unless, Mr. O'Callaghan, do you want to continue

cross-examination today?

MR. O'CALLAGHAN: Well, I have spoken to Mr. Corrigan about

this beforehand, Mr. Chairman, and I am conscious of what

Dr. Fasie says. He doesn't want to continue and he is in

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CHAIRMAN: When do you propose that he will continue?

MR. O'CALLAGHAN: Whenever the Tribunal wants to.

MR. DILLON: Exactly, Chairman. I think that we will

reconvene -- as I said earlier on this morning, we expect

to deal with the issue of the redactions of Mr.

McConville's evidence, and that and the other matter of the

recently received intelligence, hopefully we will have made

progress on that. These are matters that the Tribunal

needs to go into, in fairness to Mr. Corrigan, as I

mentioned this morning, so that when Mr. Corrigan will come

back, it will be as soon as possible and for as short a

period as possible, of course, but we cannot say for sure

at this point a precise date, but it will be hopefully

towards the end of August.

CHAIRMAN: Very good. I think everybody will be informed

of the time, the date and time of the next sitting and the

venue in that case. Thank you very much.

MR. DURACK: I should say, just in relation to the matter

Mr. Dillon raised in relation to disclosure of those

documents, my understanding is that they have already been

disclosed to the Tribunal, but I'll confirm that.

CHAIRMAN: Thank you very much, Mr. Durack.

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become [5] - 37:12, 73:13, 74:18, 77:23, 87:17

been' [1] - 19:9beforehand [1] - 87:29beg [1] - 84:19began [2] - 29:24, 30:2beginning [1] - 69:30behalf [1] - 45:13

behaviour [3] - 30:26, 31:8, 56:3

behind [3] - 13:2, 38:15, 80:15

belief [3] - 4:6, 22:9, 78:29

believable [1] - 70:18bell [1] - 33:6bells [2] - 77:17, 77:19below [1] - 66:14benefit [5] - 35:19, 72:8,

72:12, 78:30, 80:8Bernard [2] - 8:1, 8:12best [4] - 53:25, 58:5,

59:5, 67:1better [6] - 2:7, 10:23,

22:5, 34:11, 34:14, 67:12

between [11] - 8:8, 22:25, 25:5, 30:22, 34:2, 34:5, 56:13, 58:21, 60:30, 61:12, 63:6

big [1] - 11:6bit [4] - 1:5, 27:20, 68:18,

83:18blacken [1] - 11:1blackening [1] - 11:11blah [3] - 60:7blah-blah-blah [1] - 60:7Blair [5] - 14:4, 16:27,

20:19, 37:9, 37:16block [1] - 2:14boastful [1] - 23:3boasting [1] - 8:27Bob [4] - 82:6, 82:12,

84:30, 85:3body [2] - 72:18, 78:19bomb [4] - 42:11, 42:13,

42:15bomb-find [4] - 42:11,

42:13, 42:15bombing [4] - 36:25,

36:29, 37:4, 37:18bond [1] - 8:22book [11] - 12:19, 32:6,

32:11, 48:30, 49:3, 60:12, 61:20, 62:9, 73:27, 74:5, 86:25

Book [4] - 61:17, 61:18, 61:19, 61:23

books [1] - 49:6border [12] - 7:27, 15:23,

23:21, 31:28, 65:29, 74:21, 78:8, 78:26, 79:4, 79:8, 79:9, 85:5

bottom [7] - 24:25, 36:15, 49:8, 53:13, 56:11, 62:18, 69:1

boys [2] - 35:14, 63:23branch [2] - 15:6, 30:1Branch [3] - 5:1, 16:10,

64:9branch-off [1] - 15:6branches [1] - 15:22brave [1] - 80:12bravery [1] - 9:28Breen [18] - 4:14, 4:16,

7:12, 13:27, 13:30,

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19:1, 20:18, 20:22, 35:30, 36:10, 50:8, 50:24, 57:1, 58:15, 66:8, 82:5, 82:11, 82:19

brief [1] - 1:6briefly [1] - 4:10bring [2] - 74:16, 86:4bringing [1] - 81:18brings [1] - 86:29Britain [4] - 26:27, 27:1,

27:10, 27:13British [24] - 22:10,

22:28, 23:14, 23:21, 25:3, 30:18, 30:20, 32:9, 33:30, 34:11, 34:13, 35:3, 35:8, 38:6, 38:10, 38:24, 39:17, 40:1, 40:5, 40:13, 41:2, 41:9, 41:10, 41:12

brought [9] - 7:3, 31:21, 50:7, 51:20, 51:21, 52:21, 63:6, 76:12, 78:15

Buchanan [22] - 4:14, 4:17, 7:12, 13:26, 13:30, 19:2, 20:17, 20:22, 36:1, 36:10, 50:8, 50:24, 57:1, 58:15, 66:8, 82:6, 82:12, 82:19, 85:3, 85:19, 85:24, 85:28

Buchanan's [1] - 84:30build [1] - 51:29builds [1] - 8:22bulky [2] - 44:7, 44:25Burns [1] - 5:12bus [1] - 31:22bus-loads [1] - 31:22business [1] - 8:6BY [1] - 4:1

CC6 [1] - 68:15C77 [12] - 16:1, 16:2,

16:16, 16:17, 72:9, 72:12, 72:25, 72:28, 73:28, 74:11, 74:14, 74:25

C77s [4] - 16:1, 51:15, 52:25, 87:4

Cahill [1] - 9:27Callan [1] - 17:1Callan's [14] - 14:5,

14:30, 15:2, 15:12, 15:25, 16:2, 16:23, 16:29, 17:1, 17:9, 20:28, 41:16, 48:3, 87:4

campaign [1] - 77:13Campbell [5] - 32:24,

32:29, 33:5, 33:6, 33:9cannot [3] - 80:28, 83:30,

88:16canvassed [1] - 1:11car [15] - 13:18, 14:4,

14:28, 17:2, 17:13, 17:22, 38:15, 41:15, 60:20, 66:10, 73:10,

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73:14, 73:19, 73:24care [1] - 3:8career [4] - 59:21, 59:26,

59:28, 81:3careful [1] - 8:26carried [2] - 8:9, 27:12Carrigenagh [1] - 79:5carry [3] - 26:27, 55:23,

73:14carrying [2] - 27:4, 39:3case [14] - 1:10, 3:8, 8:26,

10:2, 22:1, 41:15, 55:3, 63:30, 70:9, 75:1, 77:26, 80:20, 87:21, 88:22

cases [2] - 62:24, 77:23Castleblayney [1] - 15:5catch [1] - 27:4categorically [1] - 80:28category [2] - 64:1, 64:3Catholic [1] - 32:24caught [3] - 17:26, 18:9,

31:13caused [2] - 27:8, 31:26Ceili [1] - 87:4certain [10] - 7:21, 22:1,

26:1, 26:2, 26:9, 33:20, 34:5, 46:9, 49:5, 72:19

certainly [10] - 1:22, 2:29, 10:24, 14:6, 14:24, 16:11, 29:8, 34:10, 54:8, 55:1

CHAIRMAN [23] - 1:26, 2:5, 2:11, 2:27, 3:1, 7:11, 11:1, 12:22, 33:18, 40:18, 55:15, 61:29, 72:16, 72:21, 74:2, 74:7, 77:9, 78:10, 78:13, 87:25, 88:3, 88:20, 88:29

Chairman [66] - 1:3, 1:21, 2:16, 4:4, 4:19, 5:5, 6:27, 7:23, 8:3, 8:24, 9:3, 9:18, 9:30, 10:2, 11:5, 12:19, 15:24, 16:24, 16:26, 21:25, 23:6, 25:8, 26:19, 30:19, 30:21, 32:19, 34:29, 38:8, 40:9, 43:13, 47:6, 47:10, 48:9, 51:18, 52:16, 55:17, 55:21, 56:7, 56:28, 57:25, 60:11, 61:7, 61:17, 61:26, 67:22, 71:15, 74:4, 74:9, 78:2, 78:16, 78:25, 79:10, 79:11, 80:3, 82:9, 83:19, 84:13, 84:20, 84:29, 86:21, 86:23, 86:26, 86:27, 86:29, 87:29, 88:7

Chairman's [2] - 11:11, 55:28

changed [1] - 25:16changer [1] - 83:18changes [1] - 52:19characterise [1] - 64:28

charge [3] - 66:4, 66:14, 80:7

charged [5] - 7:4, 32:16, 55:11, 77:17, 77:21

charges [1] - 77:16check [1] - 9:23chest [1] - 66:26chicken [1] - 48:10Chief [5] - 4:16, 13:26,

20:17, 60:26, 87:7chief [1] - 60:13child [1] - 32:21Cipher [2] - 49:17, 50:20circles [1] - 6:30circulation [1] - 35:25circumstances [2] -

69:23, 70:14civil [1] - 56:8civilian [1] - 5:4clampdown [1] - 79:7clarification [1] - 43:25clear [4] - 43:15, 57:25,

70:6, 78:2cleared [1] - 65:28clearly [1] - 26:22cliche [1] - 83:17clientele [1] - 15:13close [2] - 31:28, 66:26Co [2] - 42:23, 55:10cognisance [1] - 32:8colleagues [2] - 34:20,

55:4collect [1] - 32:22collecting [1] - 11:8collective [1] - 52:1Collins [3] - 19:5, 19:15,

20:20colluded [2] - 12:10, 19:1colluding [7] - 34:25,

35:22, 37:28, 49:11, 49:15, 58:14, 58:15

collusion [10] - 4:14, 30:22, 30:27, 32:15, 34:2, 34:4, 54:4, 56:3, 56:8

Colonel [2] - 6:24, 6:25colour [2] - 44:17, 45:7coming [12] - 10:25, 32:1,

35:10, 38:15, 46:21, 51:23, 55:1, 60:20, 66:9, 84:27, 86:23

commander [3] - 13:17, 13:28, 20:19

Commanders [1] - 31:18comment [3] - 55:29,

70:7, 79:14comments [2] - 54:15Commissioner [3] -

10:26, 52:7, 87:15common [2] - 28:3, 49:5Commons [1] - 25:23communication [1] -

50:25compile [1] - 68:24complain [1] - 31:21complaint [1] - 34:8completely [2] - 21:17,

40:30complex [2] - 27:30,

32:13compulsive [1] - 29:15con [1] - 29:15concern [2] - 10:21,

64:25concerned [4] - 73:13,

73:20, 74:20, 85:9concession [1] - 15:7concrete [1] - 11:21condition [1] - 56:5conducted [3] - 5:27,

5:30, 7:24conducting [1] - 55:22conduit [1] - 56:16confirm [3] - 16:19,

70:14, 88:27confirmed [1] - 1:23confirms [2] - 60:27,

60:28confusing [1] - 42:22confusion [1] - 61:8conjecture [1] - 81:23connection [1] - 56:13Connolly [11] - 6:1, 6:3,

7:16, 7:28, 8:4, 8:10, 8:29, 9:4, 9:12, 42:19, 66:10

Connolly's [2] - 6:14, 9:11

Conroy [2] - 9:17, 9:18conscious [2] - 65:29,

87:29consequence [1] - 21:30consequent [1] - 61:13Conservative [1] - 32:9Conservative-led [1] -

32:9consider [2] - 2:17, 2:18considerable [2] - 27:2,

27:8consideration [1] - 62:26considered [1] - 70:17Constabulary [1] - 79:27contact [5] - 60:26,

72:17, 72:29, 79:27, 80:1

contained [1] - 13:12contemplate [1] - 15:10content [2] - 53:22, 63:6contention [1] - 10:19contents [1] - 5:9context [1] - 50:26continue [4] - 3:9, 87:25,

87:30, 88:3continued [3] - 31:6,

65:4, 65:8CONTINUED [1] - 4:1continues [2] - 19:30,

59:7continuing [2] - 1:4,

87:15conversation [9] - 1:7,

49:24, 50:2, 58:7, 58:18, 58:23, 58:26, 58:29, 59:3

conversations [1] - 58:2

convey [2] - 22:30, 23:1conveyed [1] - 1:24convicted [1] - 31:13convince [1] - 30:21convinced [1] - 22:6copy [3] - 61:21, 61:27,

61:29correct [40] - 4:21, 5:22,

5:23, 6:2, 7:25, 14:15, 19:6, 20:25, 21:5, 29:19, 36:4, 37:5, 37:10, 37:11, 40:19, 40:28, 43:28, 43:30, 47:24, 47:25, 48:7, 48:8, 54:22, 55:7, 67:6, 67:23, 68:28, 68:30, 76:7, 78:5, 82:2, 82:20, 83:20, 83:27, 83:28, 84:3, 84:6, 84:11, 84:14, 84:17

correspondence [1] - 52:11

corrigan [1] - 51:9Corrigan [110] - 1:4, 1:8,

1:30, 2:20, 2:24, 4:5, 8:5, 8:9, 9:24, 9:25, 10:2, 11:10, 12:9, 12:25, 12:29, 13:1, 13:19, 13:20, 13:29, 14:14, 17:20, 17:21, 17:29, 18:3, 18:17, 18:23, 18:24, 20:1, 20:3, 20:5, 20:13, 21:24, 22:27, 23:12, 24:26, 33:29, 34:24, 35:10, 35:14, 35:21, 35:26, 36:1, 36:21, 36:26, 39:15, 39:25, 40:2, 40:24, 41:25, 45:16, 46:7, 46:8, 47:23, 48:20, 49:11, 49:15, 49:20, 49:28, 50:1, 50:21, 50:30, 51:3, 53:7, 53:18, 54:10, 55:15, 55:19, 55:21, 56:14, 56:18, 56:25, 56:29, 56:30, 57:1, 57:11, 57:15, 57:23, 58:3, 58:5, 58:9, 60:6, 60:12, 61:6, 61:9, 61:20, 61:21, 62:2, 63:22, 64:8, 64:22, 65:6, 65:15, 65:17, 67:8, 67:14, 67:23, 69:8, 70:3, 70:15, 71:3, 71:20, 77:3, 77:26, 81:10, 81:17, 87:7, 87:28, 88:13, 88:14

CORRIGAN [1] - 4:1Corrigan's [1] - 37:13corroborating [1] - 48:16Cory [25] - 12:28, 13:4,

13:9, 13:25, 14:21, 18:19, 18:20, 20:14, 20:16, 20:27, 20:30, 21:9, 21:11, 21:18, 21:20, 21:22, 21:25, 21:29, 22:2, 22:7,

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Doyle Court Reporters Ltd.

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22:10, 22:12, 22:13, 22:22, 25:11

Cory's [1] - 22:16Cory.. [1] - 20:11counsel [7] - 4:23, 54:17,

71:3, 83:24, 84:24, 85:27, 86:3

count [1] - 47:9counter [1] - 31:3counter-attack [1] - 31:3country [2] - 6:19, 39:10Country [1] - 32:6County [2] - 6:29, 31:14couple [2] - 31:22, 80:13course [16] - 9:29, 11:22,

18:26, 22:15, 29:28, 33:4, 33:21, 38:10, 38:12, 40:3, 40:4, 41:3, 49:2, 52:11, 67:17, 88:16

Court [1] - 7:4cover [1] - 34:23covert [1] - 29:25crashing [2] - 6:8, 6:10crashing' [1] - 6:12created [2] - 27:20, 33:22credence [1] - 52:28crescendo [1] - 86:7crime [3] - 7:7, 51:28,

62:26Crime [1] - 85:10Criminal [1] - 7:4criminals [1] - 31:12critical [1] - 73:28cross [2] - 53:4, 87:26CROSS [1] - 4:1cross-examination [2] -

53:4, 87:26CROSS-EXAMINED [1] -

4:1crossed [1] - 79:4crossing [1] - 85:5Crossmaglen [2] - 15:6,

16:13crowd [1] - 9:22Crowley [3] - 10:21,

10:22, 10:23Cullaville [2] - 15:8,

16:13Curragh [1] - 6:29Curran [6] - 10:20, 84:14,

85:18, 85:22, 86:10, 86:17

customs [3] - 74:21, 74:27, 79:5

cut [2] - 39:2, 57:7Céilí [12] - 14:5, 14:30,

15:2, 15:13, 15:25, 16:2, 16:24, 16:29, 17:1, 20:28, 41:16, 48:3

DD93" [1] - 59:13Daily [1] - 32:10damage [2] - 23:8, 32:13dance [1] - 22:8danger [7] - 75:8, 75:16,

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77:10, 78:10, 81:30, 82:3

dangerous [2] - 15:7, 69:25

date [9] - 1:11, 1:21, 1:23, 16:18, 36:20, 36:23, 37:3, 88:17, 88:21

day-to-day [1] - 8:6day.. [1] - 80:27days [1] - 39:13dead [2] - 38:21, 72:21deal [11] - 1:5, 42:9, 53:3,

54:20, 62:4, 62:5, 65:5, 70:13, 82:9, 82:17, 88:9

dealing [4] - 23:24, 42:16, 42:19, 62:3

dealt [4] - 2:25, 64:13, 70:19, 77:13

death [5] - 38:5, 51:5, 62:11, 73:8, 73:11

debriefed [1] - 35:5debriefing [1] - 35:3deception [1] - 54:19decide [1] - 56:2decided [1] - 71:25decides [1] - 56:1decision [5] - 2:18, 2:19,

7:15, 7:17, 51:30deductions [1] - 45:27deemed [1] - 23:8deeply [1] - 54:19defence [2] - 7:1, 55:6defenders [1] - 30:30definitively [1] - 43:26deflect [1] - 34:3degenerated [1] - 33:25delighted [1] - 41:11deliver [1] - 2:19demanded [1] - 66:1den [1] - 31:17denigrated [1] - 42:13deny [1] - 82:12departing [1] - 15:16derogatory [1] - 55:2describe [2] - 44:3, 44:5described [1] - 45:15description [4] - 25:6,

45:22, 45:25, 49:24designed [1] - 32:13despite [1] - 81:21destination [1] - 65:27destroyed [4] - 43:4,

43:22, 43:26, 43:27details [2] - 42:20, 50:26detective [3] - 10:11,

10:23, 46:30Detective [13] - 5:1, 5:13,

5:14, 5:15, 8:1, 8:12, 9:9, 9:13, 16:10, 64:21, 65:5, 65:14

detectives [2] - 46:28, 47:8

detonation [2] - 37:24, 39:4

detriment [1] - 23:23devote [1] - 2:7devotion [1] - 10:28

die [1] - 83:25different [8] - 15:22,

17:11, 21:17, 39:10, 40:11, 59:12, 65:11, 70:20

differentiates [1] - 25:5differently [1] - 86:9difficult [1] - 72:6Dillon [16] - 6:6, 45:13,

60:13, 60:16, 61:7, 66:6, 69:12, 70:5, 70:23, 75:7, 76:4, 76:19, 81:20, 81:27, 83:8, 88:25

DILLON [11] - 1:3, 1:28, 2:7, 2:16, 3:8, 60:25, 67:6, 81:8, 81:14, 86:29, 88:7

diplomatic [2] - 9:15, 34:9

direct [4] - 35:29, 36:4, 36:6, 36:9

directing [1] - 32:7direction [1] - 32:7directions [1] - 66:9directly [2] - 49:13, 85:10discharge [2] - 34:18,

34:19disciplinary [2] - 71:27,

71:30disclosed [3] - 27:16,

87:10, 88:27disclosure [2] - 87:16,

88:25discourage [1] - 8:20discussed [1] - 49:18discussing [1] - 50:27discussion [6] - 8:7,

40:14, 49:27, 51:30, 52:1, 52:4

discussions [1] - 8:7disembarked [1] - 31:22dispute [2] - 67:11, 67:13disseminated [1] - 62:25distinctive [1] - 45:2divert [3] - 30:25, 31:7,

32:14document [8] - 40:12,

57:10, 57:12, 57:14, 70:19, 70:22, 80:19, 81:9

documentation [1] - 53:26

documents [12] - 53:17, 53:27, 53:30, 54:3, 57:22, 57:26, 57:27, 86:26, 87:8, 87:10, 87:14, 88:26

dodgy [1] - 12:3domain [2] - 34:11, 68:4don't.. [1] - 80:28Donaldson [7] - 25:18,

25:22, 25:25, 25:30, 31:29, 31:30, 82:16

Donaldson's [1] - 32:1done [3] - 8:8, 80:4, 80:25door [5] - 32:23, 33:4,

33:6

doubt [6] - 22:11, 30:3, 39:28, 69:7, 80:16, 81:5

doubting [1] - 10:25down [26] - 7:1, 7:3, 9:19,

11:7, 21:2, 22:14, 29:29, 31:23, 32:12, 32:22, 33:5, 33:10, 33:21, 33:26, 34:12, 34:15, 38:2, 38:4, 38:7, 38:9, 38:13, 38:14, 38:17, 39:2, 57:20, 58:25

downstairs [1] - 65:24Dr [1] - 87:30draft [1] - 52:4drawing [1] - 41:4drawn [1] - 1:12driving [2] - 17:8, 33:2Drogheda [2] - 6:21, 7:5drop [1] - 28:24dropped [1] - 13:4drops [1] - 13:9drove [1] - 9:19Drumree [1] - 55:9dry [1] - 33:8Dublin [2] - 9:19, 31:21due [7] - 9:15, 9:29,

11:22, 22:15, 62:26, 67:17, 74:19

dumped [1] - 78:19Dundalk [31] - 4:17, 5:27,

7:5, 8:23, 9:22, 10:1, 10:3, 13:21, 13:25, 14:1, 14:22, 15:5, 20:16, 20:22, 37:16, 39:25, 46:7, 47:3, 51:19, 54:22, 55:8, 55:9, 55:10, 60:18, 60:29, 64:9, 65:14, 65:22, 65:30, 66:4, 84:16

Dundalk-Castleblayney

[1] - 15:5DURACK [1] - 88:24Durack [1] - 88:29during [8] - 2:19, 46:3,

48:27, 54:21, 60:13, 80:7, 84:26, 84:30

duties [2] - 4:29, 52:18duty [2] - 10:28, 52:15

Ee-mail [1] - 13:8earliest [1] - 87:22earning [1] - 59:29ease [2] - 2:20, 2:24easier [1] - 73:1effect [4] - 6:8, 21:25,

34:1, 51:4effectively [4] - 22:23,

56:16, 83:24, 84:11effort [2] - 27:3, 27:14egg [1] - 60:6ego [1] - 28:4eight [4] - 10:26, 32:26,

33:1, 86:3eighth [2] - 83:6, 83:7

eighties [1] - 30:28either [3] - 36:7, 47:21,

69:10elaborate [2] - 31:19,

80:11element [1] - 15:19elements [3] - 15:21,

15:22, 31:12elevated [2] - 37:25,

66:15eleventh [2] - 22:23,

22:27embarrassment [1] - 27:9employment [1] - 10:1encounter [1] - 16:23encountered [1] - 46:15encourage [1] - 8:19end [5] - 1:10, 57:30,

86:29, 86:30, 88:18endeavouring [1] - 72:14endeavours [1] - 6:10ended [1] - 30:30endorse [1] - 2:29engage [1] - 6:11engaged [2] - 4:29, 33:14England [1] - 27:2English [1] - 6:26ensure [1] - 62:25enters [1] - 25:20entitled [3] - 2:21, 7:16,

59:13episode [1] - 84:25equally [1] - 33:22equation [1] - 25:21escort [2] - 31:27, 65:28escorted [1] - 66:1essence [1] - 33:27established [1] - 4:7establishment [6] - 4:6,

4:8, 11:13, 15:2, 15:20, 15:26

EU [1] - 79:3evening [1] - 72:13everyday [1] - 78:7evidence [87] - 1:17,

1:19, 2:8, 2:17, 4:12, 4:13, 4:15, 5:5, 5:8, 5:16, 8:3, 8:11, 8:28, 9:3, 9:9, 9:29, 10:13, 11:12, 11:27, 11:30, 12:8, 12:9, 12:18, 13:14, 14:3, 14:10, 14:26, 14:27, 15:24, 16:20, 18:14, 18:30, 19:11, 21:16, 23:25, 25:8, 25:16, 25:28, 26:1, 26:3, 28:16, 30:13, 35:28, 37:19, 43:8, 43:20, 43:21, 47:14, 48:2, 48:22, 51:2, 53:11, 56:11, 56:24, 57:5, 58:13, 59:9, 60:2, 60:7, 60:9, 60:14, 60:21, 61:9, 64:2, 64:4, 67:6, 67:27, 68:7, 69:7, 70:17, 70:26, 71:19, 71:25, 73:4, 73:26, 73:27,

Smithwick Tribunal - 1 August 2012 - Day 119

Doyle Court Reporters Ltd.

4

73:28, 74:12, 75:6, 76:11, 78:25, 79:11, 79:29, 81:10, 83:15, 84:20, 88:10

evidencing [1] - 80:19evolved [1] - 31:3exact [2] - 37:3, 44:16exactly [5] - 23:4, 30:19,

40:15, 65:9, 88:7examination [9] - 1:4,

39:13, 53:3, 53:4, 60:13, 70:4, 81:26, 86:25, 87:26

examination-in-chief [1] - 60:13

EXAMINED [1] - 4:1example [4] - 26:18,

26:20, 53:22, 53:29examples [1] - 75:11except [1] - 52:20excerpt [4] - 28:15, 48:26,

62:9, 75:5excess [2] - 16:4, 51:20exchange [1] - 46:13excluded [2] - 8:29, 10:4exclusion [1] - 10:28excuse [1] - 27:19executed [1] - 78:19exercised [1] - 27:11exists [1] - 16:16expect [1] - 88:8expendable [1] - 67:25expenses [1] - 24:1expensive [1] - 24:18experience [5] - 22:30,

23:20, 28:21, 29:29, 79:15

explain [2] - 51:18, 72:16explained [7] - 34:28,

49:26, 53:24, 67:24, 78:30, 80:2, 84:1

explaining [1] - 26:9explains [1] - 38:8explanation [3] - 27:19,

27:23, 60:1explosives [2] - 6:28,

6:30extensive [1] - 77:16extensively [1] - 75:7extent [3] - 10:6, 38:28,

48:24extra [3] - 10:7, 10:8,

10:18extraordinarily [1] -

10:16extraordinary [1] - 8:25extremely [1] - 65:29eyes [2] - 15:21, 63:22

Ffacilitate [1] - 26:29facilities [1] - 3:4fact [16] - 14:10, 25:17,

25:20, 34:4, 34:29, 36:13, 42:27, 43:9, 45:14, 55:12, 55:30, 69:28, 81:21, 86:17,

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87:10, 87:16factors [1] - 28:5facts [4] - 7:8, 22:4, 22:6,

83:29fair [3] - 24:20, 45:29,

86:15fairly [2] - 62:16, 69:5fairness [6] - 4:27, 23:16,

67:6, 79:29, 88:13fait [1] - 23:22falling [3] - 32:13, 38:18false [5] - 26:22, 29:3,

34:18, 34:19, 60:2famous [2] - 23:7, 62:5fantasist [1] - 29:15fantasy [3] - 27:27, 30:7,

30:15far [6] - 15:25, 57:15,

63:12, 63:25, 74:19, 85:9

farm [2] - 31:16farmhouse [1] - 31:14fascinating [1] - 39:24fashion [1] - 65:9Fasie [1] - 87:30fat [3] - 44:24, 44:26,

44:28featured [1] - 16:11fed [1] - 71:21feed [3] - 69:13, 70:29,

71:6feeds [1] - 69:28fella [1] - 85:5felt [3] - 77:10, 78:10,

84:26few [4] - 8:7, 17:18,

34:29, 55:15fiction [1] - 27:17figured [1] - 16:8file [3] - 52:5, 52:6, 69:30filled [1] - 22:5financial [2] - 28:2, 41:3finest [1] - 11:28fingerprint [1] - 43:21fingerprints [6] - 43:4,

43:9, 43:18, 43:19, 43:27, 43:28

finish [3] - 52:13, 83:13, 84:13

finished [4] - 48:19, 61:17, 62:2, 86:24

Fintan [15] - 5:14, 14:4, 14:29, 15:2, 15:12, 15:25, 16:2, 16:23, 16:29, 17:1, 17:9, 20:28, 41:16, 48:3, 87:4

firing [1] - 38:6first [22] - 8:14, 9:21,

12:17, 17:7, 22:12, 23:18, 35:1, 36:15, 36:16, 36:20, 37:28, 39:22, 41:23, 48:26, 51:12, 51:26, 60:15, 62:5, 63:21, 75:12, 84:22, 87:13

first-hand [1] - 63:21fit [1] - 86:20five [10] - 7:3, 23:5, 33:1,

42:1, 44:9, 44:10, 45:18, 45:20, 57:8

five-foot-five [1] - 45:18fix [1] - 33:9flat [2] - 24:18, 52:16flat-out [1] - 52:16flesh [1] - 22:3flow [1] - 43:14folder [1] - 13:1follow [3] - 9:24, 34:10,

65:27follow-up [1] - 9:24followed [1] - 17:19following [11] - 2:20,

28:17, 29:11, 46:13, 49:9, 53:14, 57:19, 62:19, 63:17, 68:10, 73:8

follows [4] - 13:25, 23:27, 73:7, 81:28

FOLLOWS [2] - 1:1, 4:2fooled [1] - 22:7foot [5] - 13:8, 45:18,

45:20, 46:2football [1] - 58:27football.. [1] - 50:4force [2] - 9:17, 9:27forces [8] - 7:1, 30:26,

31:3, 31:9, 31:11, 32:14, 55:6, 56:6

foremost [1] - 51:26forget [1] - 38:14form [1] - 34:26format [1] - 59:12former [3] - 68:3, 68:23,

69:8forms [2] - 54:2, 54:3fortunately [1] - 57:3forward [2] - 14:25, 70:3fought [1] - 54:28four [5] - 7:2, 32:16,

33:11, 62:4, 66:24Fox [1] - 5:15Francis [1] - 62:11Fraser [8] - 12:27, 13:7,

25:9, 25:17, 31:19, 31:20, 31:28

Freddie [5] - 51:3, 51:12, 51:16, 52:26, 53:5

free [1] - 33:14frequented [2] - 15:8,

15:23frequenting [1] - 15:11Friday [2] - 1:9Friend [1] - 43:24friend [2] - 19:21, 42:4friend' [5] - 19:22, 19:24,

41:8, 43:17, 48:24Friend's [1] - 43:14front [2] - 16:21, 62:9fronts [1] - 39:6FRU [1] - 59:22full [6] - 2:11, 31:18,

33:15, 41:1, 52:3, 55:8full-time [3] - 31:18,

33:15, 52:3fully [4] - 7:23, 52:16,

55:28, 60:3Fulton [12] - 12:26, 22:17,

26:15, 26:28, 27:6, 28:19, 29:20, 31:29, 36:14, 60:15, 62:3, 82:17

Fulton's [1] - 22:20function [1] - 8:17FURTHER [1] - 89:1future [1] - 16:18

GGAA [1] - 32:29gain [1] - 22:13game [2] - 10:10, 83:18gang [1] - 48:9garda [3] - 46:16, 63:11,

66:13Garda [35] - 5:3, 5:4,

5:11, 5:13, 5:14, 5:15, 7:19, 8:1, 8:12, 8:30, 9:9, 9:13, 9:17, 10:1, 13:19, 15:10, 16:15, 16:18, 20:21, 30:22, 38:20, 43:8, 46:7, 55:4, 56:2, 56:7, 60:5, 60:18, 60:20, 64:9, 65:14, 79:16, 81:19

Gardaí [6] - 7:28, 14:18, 31:26, 53:1, 66:2, 77:23

gate [2] - 6:8, 6:10gate-crashing [2] - 6:8,

6:10gathering [1] - 16:8general [7] - 45:21,

49:23, 49:27, 56:6, 77:5, 77:6, 84:6

generally [1] - 50:15generate [1] - 27:28generated [4] - 52:25,

63:5, 71:20, 72:9Gerard [1] - 5:14Gethins [2] - 9:9, 9:13gift [2] - 83:20, 86:8girl [1] - 6:22given [27] - 5:5, 5:16,

8:11, 11:26, 11:30, 13:24, 26:3, 26:25, 28:13, 29:7, 40:5, 43:8, 50:30, 53:1, 58:14, 59:9, 60:7, 61:29, 62:23, 62:26, 67:7, 68:7, 68:26, 69:7, 71:19, 74:12, 81:10

Glenanne [1] - 31:14Glens [2] - 32:25, 32:30God [1] - 15:16gorse [1] - 37:26gossip [2] - 62:23, 65:2Government [3] - 6:29,

31:21, 34:7graded [6] - 66:17, 66:28,

67:1, 67:3, 68:15, 69:4grading [4] - 64:29,

67:14, 67:17, 68:26grain [1] - 79:2grass [1] - 39:12

great [3] - 18:26, 38:29, 44:13

Great [4] - 26:27, 26:30, 27:10, 27:13

greatest [2] - 41:20, 54:8greed [1] - 28:2greet [1] - 80:12group [2] - 33:12, 46:9Group [1] - 33:13guard [8] - 34:25, 35:21,

35:22, 39:25, 41:16, 48:28, 57:12, 60:17

guards [11] - 34:3, 42:11, 44:20, 45:19, 45:20, 48:6, 52:24, 53:3, 60:6, 63:7, 63:12

guilty [1] - 54:19gunfire [1] - 38:5guy [2] - 32:27, 33:1guys [1] - 35:1

Hhair [2] - 44:30, 45:1Hall [1] - 33:23hand [8] - 6:16, 6:18,

8:14, 10:15, 35:1, 61:20, 63:21, 69:24

Hand [1] - 31:18hand-picked [1] - 6:18hand-picks [1] - 6:16handed [1] - 12:27handled [4] - 50:21, 53:5,

56:29, 83:16handler [1] - 56:17handlers [11] - 30:6, 32:2,

39:17, 39:22, 39:28, 39:30, 41:6, 41:10, 41:18, 69:27

hang [2] - 37:8, 73:1hanging [1] - 37:15happy [1] - 41:6Harnden [2] - 32:8Harry [2] - 82:5, 82:11haste [1] - 41:20hatchet [1] - 73:14head [2] - 6:20, 38:17Headquarters [3] - 35:8,

35:9, 69:29heads [1] - 6:20hear [3] - 2:8, 2:17, 37:2heard [14] - 4:20, 11:4,

11:16, 11:17, 12:2, 26:5, 36:30, 45:24, 48:23, 48:27, 49:1, 63:28, 64:8, 87:13

hearing [1] - 35:26hearings [1] - 71:27hearsay [3] - 64:1, 64:2,

64:3heart [1] - 38:29heavy [1] - 24:18height [1] - 44:16heights [1] - 44:13held [2] - 15:20, 47:3help [2] - 24:29, 44:20helped [6] - 19:24, 36:26,

41:8, 42:5, 48:24, 68:23

Smithwick Tribunal - 1 August 2012 - Day 119

Doyle Court Reporters Ltd.

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helpful [2] - 61:3, 61:7helping [5] - 35:14,

51:15, 63:23, 64:10, 64:22

hides [1] - 26:29hierarchy [2] - 7:19,

66:13highest [1] - 29:16highly [2] - 59:2, 80:10himself [3] - 1:9, 27:28,

47:6Historical [2] - 62:10,

62:19HMG [1] - 13:9holes [1] - 22:5holiday [1] - 1:13holidays [1] - 52:19homes [1] - 6:26honest [1] - 64:24honesty [1] - 26:4hope [4] - 1:29, 2:2,

15:15, 67:16hopefully [3] - 1:28,

88:11, 88:17horrendous [1] - 33:22horrible [1] - 33:24hour [4] - 2:14, 22:23,

22:27, 86:24hours [1] - 52:15house [3] - 15:26, 24:14,

32:23House [13] - 14:5, 14:30,

15:3, 15:13, 15:25, 16:2, 16:24, 17:2, 20:28, 25:22, 41:16, 48:3, 87:5

House' [1] - 16:29housekeeping [1] - 1:6Hudson [4] - 37:20, 38:2,

38:7, 38:9Hudson's [1] - 38:5huge [2] - 6:28, 79:6hundreds [1] - 31:26Hurst [21] - 4:15, 12:15,

30:14, 48:25, 48:27, 49:8, 50:18, 53:8, 53:11, 53:13, 54:7, 57:19, 58:3, 58:7, 58:14, 58:17, 59:8, 59:9, 59:15, 60:2, 60:4

Hurst's [3] - 56:10, 56:24, 59:21

hurtful [1] - 54:17

Iidea [1] - 53:21identified [3] - 34:25,

35:21, 67:21identify [2] - 24:16, 24:17identifying [1] - 26:17identity [1] - 62:28imaginary [1] - 22:6immediately [2] - 77:17,

78:15impending [1] - 86:18imperative [1] - 41:5important [2] - 22:1,

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85:30impose [2] - 10:6, 10:13impression [1] - 7:9inasmuch [1] - 59:3incident [1] - 19:17incidents [1] - 26:10including [3] - 54:15,

54:17, 55:8incorrect [3] - 20:30,

21:4, 21:6indeed [7] - 28:14, 54:4,

55:6, 60:11, 69:29, 73:26, 86:30

indicated [3] - 35:14, 61:10, 64:21

indicating [1] - 76:12indication [1] - 21:28indifferent [2] - 26:6,

51:29indirect [1] - 36:10individual [8] - 8:18,

8:20, 13:18, 18:23, 51:22, 52:5, 52:6

individuals [3] - 26:18, 52:30, 58:21

inevitable [1] - 21:30inevitably [1] - 77:21infamous [1] - 23:7inform [6] - 10:2, 39:23,

80:24, 81:4, 81:22, 85:27

informant [2] - 66:25, 75:25

informants [3] - 66:23, 66:26, 85:8

information [61] - 11:18, 13:12, 13:21, 13:24, 14:17, 17:27, 22:28, 23:5, 25:29, 26:16, 26:17, 26:21, 29:4, 36:11, 39:24, 48:7, 48:16, 49:14, 49:21, 49:29, 50:23, 50:30, 51:3, 51:7, 53:18, 54:6, 56:17, 56:30, 57:23, 58:4, 59:4, 59:23, 63:3, 63:20, 64:7, 66:18, 66:28, 67:1, 67:11, 67:15, 67:21, 67:30, 68:4, 69:27, 72:28, 74:14, 76:24, 77:2, 77:3, 77:5, 77:6, 77:14, 80:21, 82:22, 83:16, 84:2, 85:11, 85:22, 86:4, 86:10, 86:18

informed [1] - 88:20iniquity [1] - 31:17initial [1] - 31:2inquire [1] - 56:7inquired [1] - 16:15Inquiries [2] - 62:10,

62:19inquiries [2] - 40:7, 61:13inquiring [2] - 3:2, 52:25inquiry [6] - 6:4, 6:7,

22:18, 55:22, 55:23, 86:11

Inquiry [4] - 13:4, 22:26,

22:27, 35:17insinuation [2] - 54:13,

54:21instance [1] - 36:24instigated [2] - 71:27,

72:1instructed [1] - 10:20instructions [1] - 1:22insult [1] - 54:9integral [2] - 7:5, 7:6integrity [2] - 10:25, 54:9intelligence [41] - 2:23,

8:25, 10:12, 14:17, 16:8, 26:25, 27:9, 27:21, 28:22, 28:24, 28:28, 28:29, 29:17, 29:22, 29:27, 35:13, 40:1, 40:6, 40:14, 40:25, 53:17, 53:27, 53:30, 57:22, 59:24, 62:14, 62:16, 62:21, 62:22, 62:24, 62:27, 62:28, 63:2, 63:20, 64:20, 64:28, 65:3, 66:18, 82:26, 88:11

intelligence-gathering

[1] - 16:8intent [1] - 54:27interest [2] - 30:20, 34:2interested [3] - 27:27,

30:23, 61:9interesting [2] - 26:24,

67:20interjection [2] - 61:3,

61:7intermingling [1] - 31:11interrogate [4] - 46:19,

46:22, 46:26, 47:6interrogated [11] - 45:6,

46:6, 46:12, 46:24, 47:2, 47:5, 47:15, 47:19, 47:24

interrogating [1] - 47:29interrogation [5] - 46:20,

46:23, 46:25, 46:28, 47:11

interrupt [4] - 40:9, 40:20, 43:13, 43:14

intervene [2] - 31:26, 81:8

intervention [1] - 31:8interview [2] - 46:2, 46:3interviewed [1] - 77:22introduce [1] - 17:28introduced [8] - 13:19,

18:3, 18:4, 18:15, 18:17, 18:18, 18:21, 18:24

investigate [7] - 7:21, 9:30, 38:21, 55:25, 55:26, 56:2, 56:5

investigated [1] - 6:19investigating [1] - 37:20investigation [12] - 5:24,

5:27, 5:30, 6:14, 7:11, 7:24, 7:27, 8:14, 9:11, 22:23, 39:3, 73:12

investigative [4] - 53:25,

77:18, 77:19investigators [2] - 6:8,

62:26Investigatory [1] - 28:26involve [1] - 6:7involved [19] - 6:13, 7:11,

9:10, 24:3, 32:28, 35:30, 36:7, 37:7, 37:19, 38:1, 38:2, 42:18, 42:30, 49:28, 51:24, 51:28, 78:22, 78:25, 84:7

involvement [6] - 36:9, 37:28, 50:1, 57:1, 82:5, 82:11

iota [1] - 10:10IRA [60] - 6:27, 11:6,

11:29, 13:17, 13:22, 13:28, 13:30, 14:21, 15:9, 15:16, 16:3, 16:13, 20:19, 20:21, 26:26, 27:12, 29:23, 30:22, 30:30, 31:4, 33:20, 33:21, 34:21, 36:22, 36:27, 36:29, 37:7, 37:29, 39:26, 41:26, 43:5, 46:9, 49:11, 49:15, 49:21, 50:23, 51:10, 51:26, 53:19, 54:6, 54:12, 54:21, 54:28, 55:3, 56:1, 56:3, 56:8, 64:22, 74:17, 74:28, 75:2, 75:26, 77:12, 78:27, 79:9, 79:12, 79:17, 84:8, 85:2, 85:23

IRA' [2] - 57:24, 64:10Ireland [21] - 1:13, 5:22,

6:26, 7:25, 10:10, 15:8, 30:27, 30:28, 31:10, 32:3, 33:25, 34:18, 34:30, 38:22, 38:25, 74:17, 77:15, 78:20, 79:20, 79:21, 79:22

Irish [1] - 32:17irony [3] - 55:12, 55:29,

55:30irrelevant [1] - 86:16issue [5] - 54:26, 55:27,

56:2, 73:5, 88:9issued [1] - 31:30issues [1] - 10:1issuing [1] - 54:27it" [1] - 32:22itself [2] - 38:8, 70:19

JJackal' [1] - 32:27Jackson [3] - 32:27,

32:28, 33:3jail [1] - 31:13Jeffrey [2] - 25:22, 82:16Jim [1] - 60:17job [2] - 64:13, 66:12Joe [5] - 32:24, 32:29,

33:5, 33:6, 33:9John [11] - 5:14, 68:1,

68:4, 74:15, 75:3, 75:8, 77:27, 78:4, 78:6, 79:13

Johnson [1] - 5:12joined [1] - 35:5Judge [27] - 12:28, 13:9,

13:25, 14:21, 18:19, 18:20, 20:11, 20:14, 20:16, 20:26, 20:30, 21:9, 21:11, 21:17, 21:20, 21:21, 21:25, 21:29, 22:2, 22:7, 22:10, 22:12, 22:13, 22:16, 22:22, 25:11, 31:24

July [2] - 14:12, 72:7jumping [1] - 34:12June [4] - 15:3, 18:8,

47:3, 65:10jurisdiction [1] - 66:1jurisdictions [1] - 39:11

KKeeley [58] - 4:15, 12:15,

12:27, 13:7, 13:24, 14:7, 14:26, 14:27, 16:22, 18:14, 19:3, 19:6, 19:30, 20:24, 21:24, 21:28, 22:9, 23:13, 23:16, 23:25, 25:2, 25:7, 25:20, 25:30, 26:2, 26:4, 28:9, 28:13, 29:20, 30:9, 30:13, 34:1, 34:15, 35:2, 35:28, 36:20, 36:28, 39:15, 40:28, 41:21, 43:15, 43:26, 44:2, 45:14, 45:22, 45:30, 46:3, 46:5, 46:29, 47:27, 48:2, 48:9, 48:11, 48:20, 49:2, 60:15, 62:3

Keeley's [8] - 12:18, 13:14, 18:30, 30:14, 40:29, 43:18, 43:30, 49:3

keep [2] - 41:6, 52:17Kenny [1] - 5:14kept [2] - 46:8, 66:25Kevin [6] - 12:26, 22:17,

26:15, 28:19, 60:15, 82:17

kidnapped [6] - 48:15, 72:13, 72:26, 77:22, 84:3, 84:4

kidnapping [1] - 48:18Kildare [1] - 6:29killed [2] - 38:24, 80:12killing [4] - 19:17, 33:15,

38:20, 49:16kind [1] - 79:1Knock [1] - 35:9know.. [2] - 72:22, 80:13knowledge [13] - 7:7,

35:20, 35:29, 36:5, 36:6, 36:9, 58:5, 59:5, 63:21, 63:24, 71:13, 73:29, 76:6

Smithwick Tribunal - 1 August 2012 - Day 119

Doyle Court Reporters Ltd.

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known [4] - 9:16, 24:19, 42:6, 54:29

knows [1] - 83:19

Llads [1] - 52:4landmark [1] - 24:19language [1] - 37:8larceny [1] - 6:28large [3] - 10:6, 42:10,

42:15last [15] - 1:30, 2:2, 4:5,

15:16, 18:28, 23:26, 25:30, 40:5, 40:11, 57:29, 59:11, 71:3, 81:25, 81:27, 84:13

late [2] - 13:17, 14:8latitude [1] - 40:21launched [1] - 31:2Lawlor [1] - 87:6lawyers [2] - 86:14, 86:19lead [2] - 40:28, 59:8leader [3] - 8:14, 31:20,

32:27leaders [1] - 80:5leading [2] - 65:23, 67:28leak [1] - 54:6leaked [4] - 49:20, 51:3,

51:7, 51:9leaking [3] - 53:18, 56:30,

57:23learned [2] - 73:8, 87:6least [4] - 32:16, 32:28,

80:27, 86:3leave [7] - 14:14, 14:18,

32:10, 65:26, 66:23, 86:20, 86:27

leaving [1] - 6:12led [5] - 4:8, 16:16, 22:7,

32:9, 61:13left [2] - 34:8, 63:7lengthy [1] - 75:5letter [6] - 18:19, 20:14,

22:10, 22:22, 68:27letters [1] - 69:2level [2] - 33:26, 73:29liar [2] - 18:26, 29:15liars [1] - 49:7life [13] - 35:11, 54:29,

72:14, 73:3, 75:8, 76:26, 76:28, 77:10, 83:21, 83:26, 86:8, 86:19

lift [1] - 16:28likely [2] - 29:3, 74:16limited [1] - 11:20line [9] - 22:14, 32:12,

57:20, 59:14, 69:1, 69:2, 70:4, 70:5, 73:30

lines [1] - 57:8linking [2] - 49:10, 49:14lips [1] - 35:2Lisburn [1] - 35:8list [2] - 35:7, 85:6listing [1] - 51:25live [2] - 24:1, 30:7lived [4] - 17:11, 24:17,

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33:5, 79:24loads [1] - 31:22lobbed [1] - 22:28local [1] - 62:23locals [2] - 31:24, 31:25lodged [2] - 35:4, 35:5logistics [1] - 26:30London [1] - 24:19look [17] - 4:12, 9:29,

11:22, 12:7, 12:17, 13:1, 13:14, 14:26, 16:20, 46:10, 48:25, 50:18, 54:2, 62:8, 68:8, 69:16, 70:28

looked [3] - 4:5, 40:4looking [4] - 4:10, 17:25,

35:19, 81:2Lord [1] - 53:28lost [1] - 86:19Louth [1] - 72:19Loyalist [1] - 34:5lukewarm [1] - 66:22Lynskey [1] - 6:22

Mmade-up [1] - 30:15magazine [1] - 24:11Maguire [1] - 60:5mail [1] - 13:8main [1] - 30:25Major [1] - 59:20malicious [1] - 54:27maliciously [1] - 62:23malingering [1] - 54:18man [19] - 8:18, 29:15,

30:11, 33:2, 38:21, 42:27, 44:16, 53:10, 62:11, 65:20, 74:21, 75:25, 80:6, 83:9, 83:25, 85:1, 85:23, 86:10

man's [4] - 72:14, 73:3, 83:21, 86:8

mandated [1] - 56:7march [1] - 31:23March [7] - 4:11, 4:16,

5:7, 25:21, 41:7, 41:24, 66:7

Martin [1] - 9:27mass [1] - 32:4material [2] - 40:13, 62:14matter [15] - 4:30, 10:10,

25:30, 35:13, 39:13, 40:10, 40:19, 50:13, 81:9, 85:9, 86:11, 86:20, 87:3, 88:10, 88:24

matters [4] - 1:10, 35:6, 54:16, 88:12

Matthew [1] - 24:10maximum [1] - 8:17May/June [1] - 16:28McAnulty [36] - 68:1,

68:5, 72:8, 72:13, 72:25, 73:18, 74:15, 74:22, 74:27, 75:3, 75:8, 75:24, 76:2, 76:5,

76:6, 77:4, 77:15, 77:27, 78:4, 78:6, 78:22, 79:13, 79:17, 79:19, 79:20, 80:17, 80:20, 82:3, 82:20, 82:22, 83:1, 83:9, 83:14, 83:17, 84:3, 86:4

mcAnulty [1] - 71:28McAnulty's [2] - 73:5,

73:29McConville [5] - 67:7,

70:26, 70:28, 71:1, 71:19

McConville's [2] - 1:19, 88:10

McDonald [2] - 46:4, 46:6McDowell [1] - 34:8McGrath [3] - 8:1, 8:12,

8:28McGreanary [1] - 62:11McKevitt [1] - 61:20mean [6] - 29:1, 31:4,

63:27, 69:3, 78:6, 87:12meant [3] - 43:20, 51:19,

67:8Meath [2] - 42:23, 55:10mechanism [1] - 35:7medium [3] - 64:29,

68:16, 68:18meet [5] - 25:17, 25:30,

65:8, 72:29, 80:11meeting [15] - 4:18,

14:28, 14:29, 15:4, 15:17, 16:12, 16:14, 48:2, 60:27, 60:29, 65:12, 80:25, 80:26, 80:27

meets [1] - 25:22member [7] - 11:1, 13:28,

15:10, 20:20, 32:9, 38:12, 85:2

members [26] - 5:3, 6:30, 10:26, 11:29, 15:9, 15:18, 16:12, 31:2, 31:10, 31:17, 33:13, 33:15, 33:18, 33:19, 34:15, 39:13, 51:10, 51:26, 52:18, 55:6, 55:8, 66:2, 66:24, 79:8, 79:9, 79:15

memory [2] - 18:26, 51:15

men [14] - 8:16, 10:7, 10:8, 10:18, 11:25, 11:28, 31:13, 46:9, 65:27, 65:28, 80:7, 80:11, 80:15, 80:27

mention [7] - 20:2, 20:5, 39:30, 63:9, 63:11, 87:3

mentioned [6] - 26:14, 28:19, 39:27, 58:21, 60:4, 88:14

merry [1] - 22:8Messrs [2] - 62:3, 87:6met [2] - 28:9, 51:13MI5 [4] - 23:22, 23:30,

24:5, 24:22Michael [1] - 5:12

Mick [1] - 5:13Mickey [3] - 19:5, 19:15,

20:20middle [3] - 13:13, 19:2,

59:14might [8] - 1:5, 2:7, 2:16,

50:10, 76:26, 76:28, 76:30, 82:3

military [4] - 10:14, 39:17, 40:1, 41:13

Mills [2] - 12:20, 19:29mind [2] - 22:3, 69:20minute [1] - 32:18minutes [1] - 17:18minutes' [1] - 55:15misbehaviour [1] - 34:22mischievous [1] - 55:1mislead [5] - 21:9, 21:12,

21:20, 21:21, 21:26misleading [2] - 26:16,

26:21misled [3] - 21:10, 21:25,

21:29mispresentation(sic [1] -

83:29missing [1] - 72:3misuse [1] - 74:14mixture [1] - 28:1MOD [2] - 54:2, 54:3modus [1] - 23:3mole' [1] - 39:26moment [3] - 19:13, 70:8,

82:1Monaghan [4] - 84:18,

84:19, 84:30money [5] - 11:8, 27:14,

30:5, 59:29, 79:6month [2] - 13:4, 31:5months [3] - 7:2, 42:2,

85:19Mooch' [1] - 17:24morning [5] - 1:22, 32:26,

33:1, 88:8, 88:14mortality [1] - 15:15most [7] - 15:7, 21:30,

29:8, 39:6, 54:8, 79:26, 85:30

motivation [2] - 59:21, 59:25

motives [1] - 41:3mounting [1] - 29:25move [3] - 14:25, 22:2,

22:14moved [1] - 72:18moving [1] - 72:18mown [1] - 33:21MR [41] - 1:3, 1:21, 1:28,

2:7, 2:14, 2:16, 2:29, 3:6, 3:8, 4:2, 4:4, 7:15, 11:10, 12:24, 33:29, 40:9, 40:23, 43:13, 43:24, 55:19, 60:25, 61:3, 61:6, 61:26, 62:2, 67:6, 67:10, 72:25, 74:4, 74:9, 77:26, 78:22, 81:8, 81:14, 81:17, 86:23, 86:29, 87:28, 88:5, 88:7, 88:24

murder [13] - 6:20, 6:22, 6:27, 7:6, 7:23, 31:13, 32:17, 36:7, 36:10, 42:3, 49:12, 50:8, 86:18

murdered [15] - 4:11, 4:21, 6:25, 14:11, 55:3, 71:28, 72:8, 72:9, 72:26, 73:16, 75:16, 76:7, 77:4, 77:28, 83:17

murdered.. [1] - 85:20murdering [2] - 49:22,

55:13murders [22] - 4:14, 5:21,

5:25, 6:19, 7:12, 7:24, 12:10, 19:1, 32:28, 33:23, 35:30, 41:8, 42:2, 48:24, 56:8, 57:2, 58:15, 82:5, 82:11, 82:19, 83:1

must [4] - 42:5, 51:18, 73:22, 77:9

Nname [13] - 11:2, 11:7,

11:11, 20:4, 25:26, 32:29, 35:1, 35:4, 35:6, 35:7, 60:5, 65:17, 80:6

namely [1] - 70:16names [2] - 47:20, 49:6narrative [1] - 25:21narrow [1] - 38:8Narrow [8] - 36:17, 36:25,

36:29, 37:4, 37:18, 37:29, 38:7, 38:27

naturally [1] - 77:22nature [5] - 8:6, 48:22,

57:10, 64:12, 78:14near [1] - 60:12need [6] - 2:11, 16:28,

17:1, 24:16, 28:6, 60:8needs [2] - 70:12, 88:13negative [1] - 26:3neighbour [1] - 33:10nest [2] - 37:24, 38:2never [23] - 6:10, 8:4,

18:1, 23:9, 25:8, 27:22, 35:10, 38:14, 43:7, 47:30, 51:13, 57:14, 59:4, 59:7, 70:21, 72:2, 72:4, 72:5, 77:23, 80:23, 85:7, 86:11

nevertheless [2] - 23:8, 40:20

new [2] - 8:22, 10:3Newry [4] - 30:1, 80:5,

80:7, 80:16news [2] - 61:17, 61:18newspaper [1] - 46:2next [21] - 10:19, 22:15,

28:15, 29:9, 29:30, 32:5, 32:24, 36:13, 44:17, 45:8, 45:13, 48:1, 57:18, 58:9, 64:17, 68:22, 76:15, 78:18, 83:5, 88:21

night [2] - 71:28, 72:3nine [1] - 85:19

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No" [1] - 43:18nobody [1] - 54:28noise [1] - 38:5none [4] - 37:30, 48:17,

69:9, 82:29Nora [1] - 5:12normal [1] - 15:26north [1] - 72:19North [5] - 15:8, 31:9,

32:15, 33:14, 34:21Northern [16] - 1:13, 5:22,

7:25, 10:9, 30:26, 30:28, 32:3, 33:25, 34:18, 34:30, 38:24, 74:17, 77:15, 78:19, 79:20, 79:22

nothing [5] - 10:27, 29:27, 29:28, 73:2, 87:21

notice [1] - 45:2NOTICE [1] - 89:1notified [1] - 3:3notify [1] - 79:25November [1] - 46:1now-Chief [1] - 60:26nowhere [1] - 40:27nub [2] - 38:29, 39:1nuisance [2] - 28:29,

29:17nuisance' [1] - 28:30number [13] - 4:23, 5:1,

5:3, 14:10, 26:23, 28:23, 31:12, 31:25, 36:13, 58:10, 68:27, 78:11, 81:26

Number [1] - 80:6numbers [2] - 10:10,

68:30numerous [1] - 83:9

OO'Callaghan [19] - 1:7,

3:8, 17:11, 40:20, 43:16, 47:14, 52:8, 52:9, 52:10, 52:11, 52:12, 52:26, 53:9, 55:16, 58:10, 66:21, 67:18, 68:11, 87:25

O'CALLAGHAN [23] - 4:2, 4:4, 7:15, 11:10, 12:24, 33:29, 40:23, 43:24, 55:19, 61:3, 61:6, 61:26, 62:2, 67:10, 72:25, 74:4, 74:9, 77:26, 78:22, 81:17, 86:23, 87:28, 88:5

o'clock [2] - 32:26, 86:24O'Connell [1] - 31:23O'Connor [1] - 5:15O'Driscoll [1] - 5:13obligation [1] - 87:15obliged [1] - 3:6Observer [1] - 46:1obtain [2] - 53:27, 53:30obtained [2] - 35:4, 54:2obviously [8] - 28:1,

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occasion [9] - 13:16, 19:20, 25:25, 40:11, 42:24, 65:13, 71:17, 83:6, 83:7

occasions [5] - 9:19, 26:15, 62:22, 83:10, 86:3

occurred [2] - 16:23, 85:18

occurrence [1] - 78:8odds [1] - 23:10offence [1] - 7:21offensive [1] - 54:19offer [1] - 1:17office [4] - 5:1, 8:6, 34:16,

55:9officer [12] - 6:17, 28:17,

29:10, 32:8, 63:14, 63:16, 67:20, 68:3, 68:23, 69:8, 70:7, 71:5

Officers [1] - 20:22officers [25] - 4:11, 4:21,

9:5, 12:1, 12:11, 13:30, 14:22, 19:18, 20:6, 26:2, 26:3, 26:7, 38:24, 42:3, 42:4, 49:12, 49:16, 49:22, 51:5, 64:7, 66:8, 74:27, 80:12, 80:13

often [1] - 29:28Oireachtas [2] - 9:30,

55:23OK [1] - 16:7Oliver [6] - 14:11, 17:26,

18:9, 48:4, 48:10, 48:17Omeath [11] - 41:22,

41:29, 42:1, 42:6, 42:9, 42:10, 42:24, 42:27, 43:3, 43:10, 43:15

ON [1] - 1:1once [2] - 71:20, 78:14one [62] - 1:3, 1:11, 6:10,

8:10, 8:19, 9:18, 9:20, 10:10, 10:11, 10:25, 13:4, 13:16, 16:5, 16:27, 20:28, 20:29, 23:6, 23:7, 23:18, 26:7, 26:24, 26:25, 30:12, 31:4, 31:8, 32:18, 32:19, 33:26, 34:28, 34:29, 36:23, 39:9, 39:15, 42:21, 44:17, 45:8, 46:7, 47:1, 48:17, 53:22, 53:29, 55:10, 55:11, 56:2, 56:4, 60:14, 65:12, 66:23, 69:24, 70:8, 72:18, 75:12, 77:30, 78:4, 78:6, 80:18, 82:1, 84:29, 85:26, 86:18, 86:23, 87:3

ones [1] - 10:11ongoing [1] - 24:28open [3] - 32:23, 40:14,

60:8

opened [2] - 33:6, 40:26opening [2] - 69:30,

86:26operandi [1] - 23:3operate [1] - 23:23operated [2] - 23:4, 81:2operates [1] - 7:19operating [1] - 31:14operation [1] - 31:6operations [6] - 8:8, 27:1,

27:16, 29:25, 29:26, 67:26

opinion [3] - 29:14, 29:20, 59:20

opportunity [1] - 52:22opposed [2] - 54:28,

66:28option [2] - 55:25, 69:12Orange [1] - 33:23order [5] - 22:1, 29:16,

34:3, 39:2, 72:28ordinary [2] - 4:28, 10:11organisations [1] - 28:23organised [3] - 32:2,

39:2, 43:4originally [1] - 61:14otherwise [2] - 68:20,

81:6ourselves [1] - 52:1out' [1] - 42:5outdoor [1] - 52:15outgoing [1] - 79:5outline [1] - 22:14outlining [1] - 7:8outlook [1] - 66:22outside [2] - 14:4, 60:18overall [1] - 31:5overgrown [1] - 37:26overlooking [1] - 24:19overweight [1] - 44:29Owen [29] - 9:24, 9:25,

13:19, 13:20, 13:29, 17:19, 17:21, 17:28, 18:23, 18:24, 20:1, 20:2, 20:5, 35:10, 35:14, 35:21, 35:26, 36:21, 36:26, 37:12, 41:25, 47:23, 49:10, 49:15, 49:20, 49:28, 51:2, 57:11

OWEN [1] - 4:1own [11] - 6:13, 7:9,

10:28, 31:20, 34:7, 63:22, 64:25, 64:28, 66:7, 77:18, 79:10

PPaddy [5] - 52:8, 52:9,

52:10, 52:11, 52:12page [71] - 8:28, 14:27,

16:21, 18:28, 18:29, 19:2, 19:30, 23:26, 24:25, 26:11, 26:12, 28:15, 29:9, 29:10, 35:29, 36:15, 36:16, 39:14, 39:20, 41:23, 44:3, 46:11, 48:26,

49:8, 50:17, 53:12, 53:13, 56:11, 57:7, 57:8, 57:18, 57:20, 57:29, 58:25, 59:11, 59:13, 62:13, 62:18, 64:17, 68:8, 68:9, 68:11, 68:13, 68:14, 68:24, 70:3, 73:6, 75:11, 76:15, 81:14, 81:25, 81:26, 81:27, 83:5, 83:6, 84:21, 84:22

pages [2] - 8:3, 70:3paid [6] - 23:13, 24:2,

24:22, 25:3, 30:17paper [1] - 32:10paragraph [3] - 13:16,

14:20, 62:17paragraphs [2] - 13:13,

20:27paramilitaries [2] - 34:3,

34:5Pardon [1] - 76:27pardon [2] - 75:29, 84:19park [2] - 14:28, 17:13parker [2] - 42:28, 42:29Parnell [1] - 31:22part [14] - 6:3, 6:15, 6:18,

7:5, 7:6, 14:26, 31:18, 32:5, 32:11, 32:29, 47:10, 48:9, 77:11, 78:7

part-time [1] - 31:18particular [5] - 15:20,

26:10, 52:5, 67:17particularly [2] - 26:24,

67:20particulars [1] - 45:28Partners [1] - 87:6parts [1] - 32:12pass [1] - 40:23passage [1] - 51:14passed [2] - 50:22, 81:6passing [4] - 13:21,

17:27, 60:19, 80:21past [1] - 22:26Patrol [1] - 33:12Patsy [2] - 17:10, 52:26pause [2] - 18:6, 74:24paying [1] - 24:5pejorative [1] - 87:12people [33] - 8:18, 9:12,

11:16, 12:4, 16:3, 22:7, 23:4, 23:19, 24:2, 26:7, 27:11, 30:29, 33:21, 35:10, 37:16, 38:29, 39:8, 41:28, 47:1, 47:9, 47:21, 52:9, 52:18, 52:20, 54:10, 54:23, 55:13, 66:14, 72:29, 74:28, 77:24, 86:18

per [1] - 64:14perceive [1] - 63:22perceived [1] - 77:14perfectly [1] - 7:16perhaps [5] - 16:17, 53:2,

55:29, 75:19, 80:25period [1] - 88:16periodic [1] - 79:7periods [1] - 77:12

persistent [1] - 82:10person [6] - 19:10, 39:11,

66:23, 75:2, 75:17, 78:14

personal [2] - 10:28, 73:20

persons [1] - 77:13pertaining [1] - 86:10Peter [3] - 26:3, 60:5,

60:15phone [1] - 80:25physically [1] - 52:22pick [2] - 9:24, 9:25picked [2] - 6:18, 9:28picks [2] - 6:16piece [5] - 4:13, 13:24,

35:12, 39:24, 44:14pieces [5] - 4:12, 12:7,

12:9, 23:5, 30:13piggy [1] - 74:13piggy-backing [1] - 74:13PIRA [2] - 13:29, 20:20pitch [1] - 58:27place [22] - 5:22, 7:25,

13:28, 14:8, 14:29, 15:4, 15:9, 15:16, 16:3, 16:12, 20:19, 24:1, 27:1, 32:13, 37:23, 38:21, 46:13, 50:3, 50:5, 53:25, 58:26, 72:18

planning [1] - 26:26platoon [1] - 34:16play [2] - 28:5, 86:15pleaded [1] - 9:20point [7] - 64:25, 70:26,

76:21, 81:17, 81:23, 87:18, 88:17

police [6] - 27:1, 27:3, 27:14, 27:15, 62:27, 74:26

policeman [1] - 74:20policeman's [1] - 69:20political [2] - 10:14, 10:15population [1] - 33:19port [3] - 22:12, 22:13,

22:15position [12] - 1:14, 1:16,

2:18, 2:21, 7:9, 59:22, 61:1, 67:18, 70:15, 72:22, 73:29, 87:9

position.. [1] - 41:11positive [2] - 11:27, 26:5possession [1] - 59:4possible [13] - 6:9, 32:3,

41:20, 68:20, 70:16, 70:29, 71:7, 71:9, 71:14, 71:15, 71:16, 88:15, 88:16

possibly [5] - 1:5, 1:15, 2:14, 24:21

post [2] - 55:9, 79:5pounds [1] - 31:27power [1] - 83:30Powers [1] - 28:27precaution [1] - 62:28precise [1] - 88:17precisely [1] - 78:28

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precursor [1] - 51:25predominantly [1] - 22:18prefer [1] - 1:8prejudge [1] - 10:17premeditated [1] - 10:5Prenty [6] - 15:24, 73:26,

74:10, 79:11, 79:16, 84:10

Prenty's [1] - 74:25preparatory [1] - 27:4prepare [2] - 26:29, 51:15prepared [3] - 16:4,

34:17, 34:30preparing [1] - 16:1prerogative [1] - 6:17prescription [1] - 32:21presence [2] - 6:26, 65:30present [2] - 22:1, 34:2presently [1] - 54:20preservation [1] - 79:10pressure [3] - 9:27, 10:7,

30:24presumably [2] - 20:20,

45:19pretty [2] - 11:5, 50:9prevent [1] - 39:2prevented [1] - 39:12previously [1] - 53:24primary [1] - 7:23principle [1] - 10:9private [1] - 53:25probabilities [1] - 81:3probability [2] - 64:11,

68:17probable [1] - 68:20problem [6] - 9:26, 10:3,

10:14, 10:15, 34:14, 52:14

proceeded [1] - 31:23proceedings [1] - 71:30proceeds [1] - 42:9process [4] - 11:8, 22:2,

52:6, 69:30produced [6] - 40:12,

40:13, 40:15, 72:25, 82:29, 82:30

professionally [1] - 65:5profile [1] - 51:29progress [2] - 2:23, 88:12prominent [1] - 32:29prompted [2] - 33:16,

33:19propagating [1] - 7:9proper [1] - 39:3propose [1] - 88:3protect [1] - 62:28proved [1] - 54:4provenance [1] - 11:22proves [1] - 59:10provide [5] - 28:21,

28:28, 29:3, 69:27, 82:23

provided [6] - 22:22, 29:22, 41:25, 64:7, 82:26, 87:17

provides [1] - 60:1providing [2] - 22:9,

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82:22Provisional [11] - 13:22,

13:29, 14:21, 15:9, 16:3, 16:13, 20:21, 29:23, 55:3, 64:10, 64:22

Provo [1] - 15:26Provos [1] - 65:24PSNI [3] - 42:13, 62:18,

67:15psychiatrist [1] - 28:6psychologist [1] - 28:6public [5] - 1:12, 27:15,

34:10, 65:23, 68:3publicity [1] - 27:28publicly [1] - 59:23published [1] - 46:2pulled [1] - 17:15purely [1] - 79:9purposely [3] - 21:10,

21:21, 21:26purse [1] - 27:15pursue [1] - 86:20put [26] - 12:20, 16:17,

20:13, 22:4, 22:9, 27:1, 29:29, 33:30, 39:20, 41:4, 53:8, 58:13, 59:16, 60:21, 65:26, 65:28, 66:11, 67:7, 68:3, 69:12, 70:15, 70:23, 71:2, 72:28, 83:14, 86:30

putting [1] - 11:7

Qqualitatively [1] - 67:12qualities [1] - 8:19quality [3] - 28:23, 67:1,

67:3quarters [1] - 33:5questioned [8] - 26:12,

34:20, 64:19, 73:6, 75:6, 83:8, 86:2, 86:12

questioning [4] - 42:14, 54:11, 66:6, 71:23

questions [8] - 44:15, 44:22, 45:30, 53:7, 71:2, 81:15, 86:16, 86:17

quicker [2] - 61:19, 86:25quite [9] - 13:6, 27:2,

27:11, 31:10, 64:24, 67:23, 67:25, 70:6, 83:19

Rradiator [1] - 33:7raised [3] - 1:21, 54:16,

88:25ran [2] - 38:9, 38:13rang [2] - 32:20, 33:5rank [1] - 10:26rather [6] - 2:5, 9:25,

10:21, 25:29, 51:21, 71:24

re [1] - 53:3

re-examination [1] - 53:3reached [1] - 86:7reacting [1] - 38:4read [7] - 5:9, 13:13,

25:14, 49:1, 49:3, 70:4, 84:19

real [1] - 52:28realise [2] - 15:19, 30:2really [7] - 28:6, 38:30,

40:10, 45:4, 50:13, 64:24, 66:19

reason [12] - 4:7, 34:24, 35:20, 45:30, 46:4, 61:8, 62:12, 69:7, 80:4, 80:16, 81:5, 81:6

reasons [1] - 30:3receive [2] - 32:4, 67:30received [9] - 2:24, 62:22,

63:15, 64:20, 67:21, 69:25, 86:13, 86:17, 88:11

recent [1] - 2:23recently [3] - 13:6, 15:24,

88:11reception [1] - 65:23recess [1] - 55:15recollect [4] - 5:17, 16:1,

60:28, 87:14recollection [10] - 9:1,

29:21, 37:27, 38:1, 42:15, 42:30, 48:7, 58:29, 59:1, 65:22

recommend [1] - 22:18reconvene [2] - 87:22,

88:8record [3] - 5:11, 41:12,

41:19recorded [1] - 63:20recount [1] - 5:11recruited [1] - 29:21Red [1] - 31:18redactions [3] - 1:18, 2:9,

88:9reeds [1] - 39:2refer [1] - 62:12reference [1] - 84:28referred [2] - 35:15, 37:23referring [3] - 57:11,

57:12, 57:15refers [1] - 14:7refused [1] - 28:27regard [2] - 2:22, 30:15regarded [1] - 62:17regards [1] - 68:19regime [2] - 8:22, 10:3Regulation [1] - 28:26regulations [1] - 39:9relates [1] - 48:2relating [2] - 87:4, 87:5relation [23] - 1:18, 2:8,

2:23, 8:25, 9:26, 26:9, 30:25, 30:27, 35:4, 35:6, 39:9, 40:12, 40:13, 42:20, 43:15, 54:16, 71:27, 74:12, 77:20, 79:8, 81:9, 88:24, 88:25

relationship [1] - 58:20

relaxed [2] - 6:23, 66:22relayed [2] - 27:10, 49:29released [7] - 23:6, 23:9,

32:17, 48:13, 48:14, 77:16, 77:21

relevance [1] - 50:13relevant [3] - 13:12, 73:5,

73:28reliability [1] - 68:18reliable [1] - 62:21remember [29] - 4:27,

5:6, 16:5, 19:12, 19:14, 21:1, 21:14, 24:9, 29:24, 31:8, 32:15, 37:3, 38:16, 44:16, 45:6, 46:21, 47:12, 47:15, 47:18, 47:20, 47:23, 60:16, 65:21, 69:14, 69:20, 72:6, 80:29, 80:30

remind [2] - 33:24, 68:29reminds [1] - 81:20remove [1] - 87:9rendezvous [1] - 16:12repeat [1] - 86:16repeatedly [2] - 23:13,

75:7reply [1] - 20:24report [7] - 22:16, 52:9,

62:10, 62:18, 77:24, 79:19, 82:4

reported [8] - 39:16, 41:9, 41:18, 50:10, 52:29, 75:25, 81:10, 83:2

reports [2] - 13:5, 16:10Republic [2] - 38:22,

79:20requested [1] - 6:14resident [1] - 79:20resource [1] - 27:14resources [1] - 27:3respect [21] - 5:21, 11:10,

14:20, 14:27, 16:1, 16:22, 18:30, 25:29, 36:17, 37:29, 38:27, 40:6, 41:22, 48:16, 51:16, 52:26, 54:11, 54:26, 63:16, 68:10, 74:10

respects [2] - 9:15, 74:19response [3] - 43:18,

53:1, 84:21responsibility [2] - 5:24,

66:16rest [4] - 5:25, 52:4,

74:13, 86:25result [2] - 10:7, 38:6resulted [1] - 10:8resulting [1] - 51:4resume [3] - 1:10, 1:14,

1:29RESUMED [1] - 1:1retaliation [1] - 33:20retired [1] - 46:30return [2] - 8:25, 67:17reward [1] - 28:2rid [1] - 43:17ridiculous [3] - 15:17,

39:6, 54:25rightly [1] - 82:1ripped [1] - 70:9road [4] - 15:6, 15:7,

17:10, 17:12robberies [1] - 51:28Robin [1] - 32:27Robinson [3] - 1:15, 1:26,

2:12ROBINSON [4] - 1:21,

2:14, 2:29, 3:6rogue [1] - 57:12role [1] - 28:25room [12] - 38:11, 46:20,

46:23, 46:27, 46:28, 47:4, 47:7, 47:9, 47:13, 47:16, 47:17, 52:23

round [1] - 87:18routine [1] - 4:30Royal [1] - 79:27RUC [52] - 5:25, 7:24,

10:6, 10:16, 11:1, 11:11, 11:14, 11:19, 11:25, 11:29, 11:30, 19:18, 26:1, 26:2, 26:7, 28:16, 29:9, 31:12, 31:15, 31:17, 32:16, 33:1, 35:5, 35:8, 39:3, 39:13, 41:2, 42:2, 42:4, 49:12, 49:16, 63:9, 65:30, 66:17, 66:24, 67:20, 67:24, 67:26, 68:3, 68:23, 69:8, 69:13, 79:7, 80:1, 80:11, 80:19, 80:21, 80:24, 81:11, 81:22, 82:23, 82:29

rumour [1] - 62:23rumours [1] - 12:2run [2] - 7:28, 33:8running [2] - 11:6, 38:17runs [2] - 79:5, 86:13

Ssafety [5] - 10:29, 73:5,

73:13, 73:20, 73:23sat [2] - 17:24, 76:10satisfactory [1] - 27:22save [3] - 72:14, 73:3,

83:26saved [3] - 76:26, 76:28,

83:26saw [6] - 33:20, 33:21,

35:10, 53:17, 57:22SB50 [19] - 11:14, 11:20,

11:23, 23:8, 34:26, 62:5, 63:5, 63:15, 64:18, 67:14, 67:19, 68:24, 69:13, 70:9, 70:29, 71:6, 71:20, 76:6

SB50s [1] - 64:12SBG [1] - 33:12Scappaticci [17] - 49:28,

49:30, 50:22, 50:29, 51:4, 51:7, 51:8, 51:12, 51:16, 52:23, 52:26, 53:5, 56:14, 56:16,

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56:29, 58:16, 87:5scene [2] - 37:20, 43:10sceptical [1] - 59:2Scotland [1] - 27:2screen [2] - 13:2, 74:10screens [1] - 80:15scrutiny [1] - 39:1Sean [1] - 9:9second [18] - 13:16,

13:24, 14:20, 15:7, 19:6, 19:16, 26:11, 46:11, 53:12, 61:6, 62:12, 68:9, 68:11, 68:13, 70:11, 81:25, 81:27

second-last [2] - 81:25, 81:27

secondhand [2] - 63:23, 63:26

secondly [1] - 41:15secret [2] - 41:1, 46:9secretary [1] - 52:3section [2] - 8:13, 16:9sections [1] - 33:20Security [8] - 22:10,

22:28, 23:14, 25:4, 30:18, 30:20, 33:30, 85:10

security [9] - 24:18, 30:26, 31:3, 31:9, 31:11, 32:14, 34:5, 34:17, 56:5

see [40] - 8:14, 9:19, 9:26, 10:12, 11:3, 14:7, 14:8, 15:4, 18:14, 21:24, 21:26, 22:25, 23:5, 25:2, 29:3, 30:24, 31:15, 32:12, 38:9, 44:22, 45:7, 51:25, 52:1, 53:12, 54:25, 55:12, 55:29, 55:30, 56:24, 58:6, 58:22, 58:24, 71:19, 77:11, 79:1, 82:8, 83:14, 85:5, 86:20, 86:23

seeing [2] - 52:20, 65:23seeking [1] - 28:4seem [1] - 74:2select [2] - 6:18, 7:20self [1] - 79:10self-preservation [1] -

79:10send [2] - 34:17, 52:7sending [1] - 74:14senior [3] - 13:17, 13:28,

20:19sense [2] - 28:3, 86:15sent [1] - 31:13September [3] - 12:28,

13:10, 25:12Sergeant [5] - 32:25,

64:9, 64:21, 65:5, 65:14sergeant [2] - 8:5, 47:1series [1] - 26:27serious [4] - 7:7, 9:26,

30:11, 85:9servants [1] - 56:8Service [7] - 22:10, 22:28,

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23:14, 25:4, 30:18, 30:21, 33:30

service [6] - 26:26, 27:5, 34:17, 41:1, 65:24, 84:30

services [1] - 34:6session [1] - 53:25set [4] - 22:3, 70:14,

77:17, 77:19setting [1] - 52:17seventies [3] - 6:25,

30:28, 31:9several [1] - 54:16shadow [1] - 18:1Sheridan [2] - 60:17,

60:27shoes [2] - 44:17, 45:8shooting [1] - 37:20short [2] - 44:18, 88:15shorter [1] - 44:19shot [8] - 32:23, 38:3,

38:21, 78:5, 85:3, 85:6, 85:7, 85:24

shotgun [2] - 17:27, 18:9show [3] - 34:19, 34:21,

75:1showed [1] - 54:1sick [4] - 14:14, 14:18,

32:21, 52:19side [2] - 11:6, 33:26significance [2] - 15:19,

69:10similar [2] - 3:4, 78:7similarities [1] - 22:25simple [1] - 46:29simply [2] - 48:23, 60:9single [1] - 51:22Siochana [11] - 5:4, 5:5,

7:19, 16:15, 16:18, 30:22, 38:20, 43:9, 55:4, 79:16, 81:19

site [3] - 37:24, 37:25, 39:4

sitting [3] - 1:8, 18:1, 88:21

situated [1] - 15:5situation [12] - 9:16, 15:5,

23:2, 30:19, 30:27, 31:1, 31:5, 33:25, 35:4, 55:28, 56:9, 65:26

six [5] - 10:26, 45:20, 85:19

six-foot-five [1] - 45:20six-foot-six [1] - 45:20sketchy [2] - 42:20, 65:21slaughter [1] - 33:15slaughtered [1] - 30:29slightly [1] - 67:28slip [1] - 70:1slower [1] - 71:12smaller [1] - 45:19SMITH [2] - 40:9, 43:13Smithwick [1] - 40:25smuggler [1] - 79:3smuggling [6] - 15:9,

74:15, 78:23, 78:26, 79:1, 84:7

so-and-so [2] - 33:7

so-called [2] - 22:4, 29:26social [2] - 50:6, 58:27solicitor [3] - 16:15,

52:24, 53:2Solicitor [1] - 87:8solicitors [1] - 87:7solution [1] - 10:14solved" [1] - 34:14someone [2] - 63:28,

64:8sometime [3] - 14:5,

25:21, 60:23sometimes [5] - 28:2,

30:4, 30:5, 30:6, 78:17soon [3] - 38:13, 87:17,

88:15sorry [9] - 21:16, 34:11,

36:15, 70:10, 70:12, 71:11, 74:4, 76:20, 81:8

sought [1] - 6:7sounds [1] - 87:12source [12] - 53:26,

54:30, 63:22, 64:6, 66:28, 67:22, 73:9, 77:27, 78:7, 78:29, 85:14, 85:22

sources [5] - 28:26, 62:14, 62:21, 62:29, 72:30

south [2] - 7:27, 38:7southern [2] - 32:14,

45:11spare [2] - 83:21, 86:8speaking [1] - 85:1Special [3] - 7:3, 33:12,

64:9specific [5] - 19:11,

36:19, 50:25, 84:2, 86:17

specifically [5] - 16:4, 43:17, 43:21, 72:23, 78:20

spectacular [1] - 50:11speech [2] - 45:3, 45:10spent [4] - 7:2, 27:15,

52:15spoken [2] - 46:24, 87:28squad [2] - 6:20, 7:6Square [1] - 31:23stage [8] - 1:16, 9:18,

28:25, 35:16, 46:7, 60:14, 72:21, 84:29

stairs [1] - 33:10Stakeknife' [1] - 49:2stamped [1] - 79:4stand [1] - 38:30start [3] - 4:10, 22:11,

62:8started [4] - 28:22, 35:19,

37:8, 73:14starting [2] - 16:25, 58:25starts [1] - 70:1state [5] - 23:18, 27:6,

43:17, 59:7, 66:7State [4] - 55:13, 55:26,

56:1, 87:8stately [1] - 6:26statement [14] - 12:26,

14:7, 20:26, 21:14, 22:17, 22:20, 29:14, 31:30, 32:1, 45:21, 54:25, 54:26, 67:25

statement.. [1] - 21:3statements [1] - 5:9stating [5] - 15:24, 19:20,

20:29, 49:19, 60:9station [6] - 20:6, 46:16,

51:24, 60:20, 66:13, 73:2

Station [9] - 4:17, 10:1, 14:1, 14:22, 20:23, 46:7, 60:18, 65:14, 65:22

stationed [1] - 13:21status [2] - 15:20, 66:15stay [1] - 73:1step [3] - 10:19, 67:23,

75:13steps [2] - 62:24, 75:16Stevens [4] - 53:28,

53:29, 53:30still [1] - 39:14stolen [1] - 6:30stoned [1] - 31:25stones [2] - 38:14, 38:18stop [1] - 86:27stopping [1] - 66:21stories [2] - 41:28, 85:8story [2] - 35:26, 41:5strategies [1] - 23:23strategy [1] - 23:3Strathearn [2] - 32:20,

32:22Street [1] - 31:23strength [1] - 22:20string [1] - 44:14strong [1] - 77:9stuff [3] - 8:30, 41:29,

74:16subject [1] - 86:11submissions [2] - 40:10,

40:19submitted [1] - 23:11submitting [1] - 71:5subordinate [2] - 32:7,

52:18subordinates [1] - 8:16subsequently [7] - 25:16,

27:6, 27:28, 29:23, 48:13, 48:14, 48:15

subsidy [1] - 79:2subsistence [2] - 24:29,

25:6substance [1] - 14:3substantive [1] - 20:27subtract [1] - 81:22subversive [3] - 15:21,

15:22, 31:12subversives [1] - 16:11suddenly [2] - 10:16,

38:17suggest [4] - 2:16, 15:18,

54:10, 70:8suggested [7] - 6:6,

45:14, 53:17, 54:6, 57:22, 70:21, 70:30

suggesting [10] - 4:13, 11:13, 11:19, 12:10, 16:2, 71:4, 76:5, 77:3, 82:2, 83:25

suggestion [1] - 40:27suggests [1] - 15:18summary [2] - 40:6,

40:25summer [2] - 14:5, 15:13superintendent [1] - 8:5Superintendent [21] -

4:16, 4:17, 5:30, 6:3, 7:16, 7:20, 7:28, 8:29, 9:3, 9:11, 9:12, 13:26, 13:27, 20:17, 20:18, 60:26, 60:29, 66:10, 84:16, 85:19, 85:24

superior [1] - 70:7superiors [1] - 83:3supervisory [1] - 6:17supporters [1] - 31:22suppose [2] - 48:1, 67:19surely [1] - 75:15surprise [1] - 87:11surprised [1] - 9:10surrounding [1] - 38:18surroundings [2] - 50:6,

58:28surveillance [1] - 65:26survive [1] - 24:30suspect [1] - 82:30suspicion [1] - 84:6suspicion" [1] - 33:4suspicions [1] - 83:2suspicious [5] - 74:18,

74:29, 75:2, 79:12, 79:17

sympathetic [2] - 54:12, 54:21

system [7] - 69:13, 69:29, 70:29, 71:6, 71:10, 71:17, 71:21

Ttab [52] - 12:24, 12:25,

14:25, 18:20, 18:29, 19:29, 23:12, 23:25, 25:28, 26:1, 35:28, 36:13, 39:14, 40:24, 41:21, 44:2, 45:13, 45:30, 46:10, 48:1, 48:19, 48:25, 53:11, 56:10, 57:5, 57:30, 58:9, 59:11, 62:13, 67:19, 67:27, 68:8, 68:9, 68:13, 68:22, 68:24, 69:11, 69:16, 70:28, 71:23, 73:4, 73:6, 73:26, 75:5, 81:25, 84:14, 84:22

Tab [3] - 40:5, 62:8, 63:14tabs [1] - 60:7tall [5] - 44:7, 44:8, 44:11,

44:13, 44:18taller [3] - 44:9, 44:19,

45:18tat [2] - 31:1, 31:6

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tattle [2] - 69:25, 69:26Teague [1] - 24:10team [8] - 1:22, 1:24, 6:8,

6:16, 7:6, 7:20, 8:15, 51:21

Team [1] - 62:10teams [1] - 6:18tearing [1] - 70:20Telegraph [1] - 32:10telephoned [3] - 13:29,

14:21, 20:21telescope [1] - 78:15ten [2] - 52:15, 61:13tenuous [1] - 48:23term [2] - 29:17, 86:30terms [12] - 1:6, 11:18,

30:11, 30:14, 33:29, 34:10, 40:7, 54:20, 56:4, 56:5, 67:15, 84:27

terrorist [1] - 38:13tested [2] - 67:8, 67:10that.. [1] - 80:14THE [3] - 1:1, 89:1the.. [1] - 32:11them.. [1] - 16:6themselves [3] - 5:21,

34:13, 78:15therefore [1] - 58:22Thiepval [2] - 50:4, 58:26thin [2] - 44:24, 44:25thinking [1] - 21:13third [2] - 62:17, 67:28thorn [1] - 11:6thoughts [1] - 27:12thousands [1] - 31:27threat [4] - 73:23, 78:26,

80:19, 84:8threats [1] - 78:7three [6] - 7:2, 30:10,

32:16, 54:1, 62:4, 66:24throat [1] - 34:12throughout [1] - 9:16thrown [1] - 34:22tied [2] - 48:10tit [2] - 31:1, 31:6tit-for-tat [2] - 31:1, 31:6tittle [2] - 69:25, 69:26tittle-tattle [2] - 69:25,

69:26TO [1] - 4:1today [7] - 1:3, 4:10,

70:11, 84:13, 86:30, 87:21, 87:26

together [1] - 8:10tolerant [1] - 54:12tolerate [1] - 10:24Tom [9] - 5:15, 14:11,

17:26, 18:8, 48:4, 48:17, 84:14, 85:18, 85:22

tonne [1] - 79:2took [11] - 5:21, 7:25,

13:28, 14:29, 20:1, 20:19, 24:13, 32:10, 34:13, 38:21, 58:26

top [5] - 35:7, 41:22, 57:9, 68:13, 69:2

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topic [1] - 50:7torn [1] - 70:22total [1] - 54:27totally [7] - 20:25, 21:1,

21:5, 23:10, 37:25, 40:30, 59:10

towards [3] - 38:6, 54:12, 88:18

train [1] - 51:24trainee [1] - 10:23transcript [5] - 16:22,

18:29, 19:30, 59:12, 60:21

transpired [1] - 72:23travel [1] - 26:26travelling [4] - 15:6,

26:30, 73:19, 73:23treat [1] - 8:5treated [2] - 23:30, 86:9treating [1] - 8:4treatment [1] - 86:13Tribunal [36] - 2:22, 4:6,

4:7, 4:23, 11:4, 11:13, 18:30, 22:3, 23:1, 23:9, 40:6, 40:25, 45:14, 54:14, 54:18, 57:4, 60:25, 61:9, 71:4, 76:10, 76:11, 76:13, 80:18, 83:24, 84:24, 84:27, 85:27, 86:1, 86:3, 86:14, 86:19, 87:11, 87:17, 88:5, 88:12, 88:27

TRIBUNAL [2] - 1:1, 89:1Tribunal's [2] - 40:7,

86:15trick [1] - 41:30tried [1] - 54:10tripe [1] - 74:19triumph [1] - 28:3trouble [2] - 13:1, 29:2true [2] - 54:24, 68:19trust [1] - 8:22truth [1] - 43:5try [4] - 16:5, 27:4, 36:19,

57:7trying [8] - 10:13, 27:27,

30:21, 31:7, 41:30, 52:17, 73:3, 79:25

Tuesday [1] - 1:14Tullyvallen [1] - 33:23turned [1] - 73:12turning [1] - 38:17twice [1] - 80:27two [33] - 2:14, 4:12,

8:18, 9:19, 12:7, 12:9, 12:10, 13:13, 19:17, 20:27, 22:26, 26:7, 30:12, 33:3, 33:11, 34:15, 42:2, 48:4, 49:6, 49:12, 49:16, 49:22, 51:5, 53:29, 65:23, 65:26, 65:28, 66:24, 70:3, 80:5, 80:7, 80:12, 80:15

two-hour [1] - 2:14type [5] - 8:19, 15:2,

26:20, 51:28, 52:6

types [1] - 33:24

UUDR [1] - 31:18Ulster [1] - 79:27ultimate [2] - 8:17, 65:27ultimately [1] - 60:22umbrage [1] - 34:13Una [1] - 6:22unable [1] - 5:16under [8] - 9:27, 28:26,

30:24, 32:17, 78:15, 78:26, 84:8, 87:15

undercover [1] - 23:22underneath [1] - 9:5unfairly [1] - 86:9unfortunate [1] - 73:18unit [8] - 9:4, 26:26,

26:30, 27:5, 55:9, 77:18, 77:19, 77:20

Unit [1] - 62:19unless [1] - 87:25unlicensed [2] - 17:27,

18:9unnecessarily [1] - 40:21unquestionable [1] - 34:4unreliable [4] - 35:13,

59:10, 62:21, 69:5UNTIL [1] - 89:1untrue [1] - 83:28unusual [1] - 67:23up [54] - 8:22, 9:24,

10:25, 11:6, 11:14, 11:16, 11:19, 12:20, 13:2, 22:2, 22:3, 22:9, 27:7, 27:20, 29:24, 30:3, 30:4, 30:15, 30:30, 32:19, 32:20, 32:25, 32:26, 32:30, 33:9, 33:10, 34:1, 34:10, 35:10, 38:1, 38:30, 41:4, 42:21, 42:24, 48:10, 50:7, 51:20, 51:21, 51:29, 52:7, 54:24, 55:9, 59:15, 61:20, 69:29, 70:10, 70:20, 70:22, 73:12, 74:9, 86:15

upstairs [1] - 65:25urged [1] - 22:18usual [1] - 15:13UVF [1] - 31:17

Vvague [1] - 38:28Valentine [1] - 63:17validity [1] - 85:7value [1] - 84:26van [2] - 33:2, 48:11variety [1] - 41:2various [3] - 8:8, 27:10,

30:29vegetation [1] - 37:26venue [3] - 3:1, 3:3, 88:22venues [1] - 30:29via [1] - 49:29

victimised [1] - 9:4view [2] - 2:29, 64:26violence [1] - 56:1visited [1] - 25:11vividly [1] - 38:16voice [1] - 10:20

Wwage [3] - 24:27, 25:5,

41:4wait [1] - 29:29walked [4] - 15:12, 33:10,

39:12, 52:23Walker [2] - 6:24, 6:25Walsh [1] - 60:5wants [1] - 88:5warn [7] - 69:26, 75:8,

75:13, 76:4, 76:21, 83:8warned [3] - 75:17, 76:17,

76:29warranted [1] - 52:2Warrenpoint [1] - 79:24Water [8] - 36:17, 36:25,

36:29, 37:4, 37:18, 37:29, 38:7, 38:27

water [2] - 38:9, 38:19wayside [1] - 8:23weapons [1] - 26:29Wednesday [1] - 2:1week [6] - 29:30, 35:27,

41:5, 52:16, 71:3, 80:28weekly [1] - 41:4weeks [2] - 14:11, 22:26well-known [2] - 24:19,

54:29well.. [1] - 15:28whatnot [1] - 74:13whereas [1] - 38:24whereby [1] - 59:21whilst [1] - 7:5white [1] - 70:1who.. [1] - 26:8whole [2] - 9:27, 22:2wholesale [2] - 30:26,

31:8widest [1] - 32:3width [1] - 38:11William [2] - 32:20, 62:11Willie [7] - 12:27, 13:7,

25:9, 31:19, 31:20, 31:28

window [1] - 17:25wish [4] - 9:23, 40:9,

43:14, 55:30wished [1] - 10:6wishes [1] - 7:20Witness [35] - 26:11,

26:12, 28:13, 28:16, 29:7, 29:9, 49:19, 49:25, 49:29, 50:3, 50:29, 56:15, 56:19, 56:26, 56:28, 56:29, 56:30, 57:3, 57:13, 58:1, 58:13, 59:13, 59:14, 63:14, 63:19, 64:17, 65:18, 67:28, 68:7, 68:9, 68:23, 71:4,

Smithwick Tribunal - 1 August 2012 - Day 119

Doyle Court Reporters Ltd.

11

71:23, 73:4, 73:6witness [6] - 1:3, 68:7,

69:24, 70:12, 70:13, 70:25

woman [1] - 5:4wonder [1] - 1:15word [4] - 4:30, 6:12,

23:9, 23:19words [9] - 12:3, 19:23,

22:5, 22:6, 56:17, 63:21, 64:6, 66:23, 85:4

workaholic [1] - 10:27works [2] - 10:12, 35:7world [1] - 30:7worse [3] - 31:1, 31:5,

46:8worse-kept [1] - 46:8worst [1] - 67:3worth [3] - 10:11, 29:2,

79:3write [2] - 32:11, 70:7writing [3] - 59:22, 80:22,

80:23written [8] - 21:2, 24:10,

48:30, 49:6, 52:24, 52:29, 70:18, 87:7

wrongdoing [2] - 11:14, 11:19

wrongly [1] - 82:1wrote [2] - 52:10, 85:10

Yyeah.. [2] - 71:29, 72:22year [1] - 66:3years [15] - 8:15, 8:21,

8:24, 10:22, 21:15, 31:25, 36:24, 37:18, 54:22, 55:12, 56:1, 60:30, 61:13, 80:8, 84:26

yes' [1] - 57:24yes.. [3] - 18:22, 18:25,

78:13you.. [1] - 81:18your.. [1] - 24:5yourself [3] - 6:7, 8:24,

41:16

££3,000 [1] - 79:3