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Workshopsetupandschedule
Beforetheworkshop:Determinewhereeachsmallgroupwillbesetuparoundtheroom.DistributeaPost-it,self-stickeaselposter(suggested25x30.5,Item559)andmarkersforeachofthegroups.Labelthetopofpost-itwithSmallCompany,LargeCompanyorAcademia.Writeinstructionsontheboard,perthefollowingpictures:
Facilitator’stasksinthesmallgroup:
1. Introduceyourself2. Askparticipantsforbriefintroductions3. Askparticipantsabouttheircareergoals(takethisintoaccountasyoufacilitatediscussion).4. Brieflyreviewthecasestudyprompt5. Posethequestions,oneatatime,andaskfortheirthoughts6. Sitbackandletthegroupdiscuss
• Refertotherubrictoseeifyourgroupismasteringtheconceptscoveredinthelecture• Ifneeded,promptthediscussionwiththequestionsprovidedbelow
7. Summarizetheconversationandstarttomaketheposter8. Makingtheposter–askforascribeandapresenter.Forthepresenter,considerencouragingan
individualwhowantstoworkontheirpresentingoranon-nativeEnglishspeaker.9. Ifthereistime,poseprovocativequestions(ex:Whatifthecompanydoesn’tlikethedealyou
propose,what’syournextstep?Wouldyouproceedwiththecollaborationorfindanewcompanytoworkwith?)
SCHEDULE:NotesforCourseModerator–theindividualintroducingtheworkshop,wrappingupandkeepingtimeNotesforCourseFacilitator–theindividualsleadingthesmallgroupdiscussions
Notes:Step1Informtheparticipantsthatthereare#areastochoosefromStep2Breakintogroupsof5to7people;adjustforyourgroupsizeStep3Giveapproximately30minutesforthediscussion;adjustaccordingto60or90minsessionStep4Giveeachgroup5minutestoreportout.Wefoundthatthisisenoughtimetopresenttheirposteranddiscussafewquestionsfromthegroup.
Workshopsetupandschedule
**Thisisasuggested60minuteschedule.Fora90minutesession,considerlengtheningthegroupdiscussionoraddinganoptionalfacilitator-led,largegroupdiscussionafterthepresentations.5minutes Getsettled,explanationsbeforegroupsbreakout
Classmoderator-“ThisisachanceforyoutoapplysomeoftheabstractconceptsthatAshaandDanintroducedinthevideos.Fortheindustrycases,youwilllookthroughacompanywebsiteanddeterminegapstheywanttofill,howyoumightstructurethedeal,andwhoyou’dmakethedealwith.Youmaywanttoaskwhattheirvaluepropositionandgoalsaretohelpyoufigureoutwheretheywanttogrow.Intheacademiccase,youwillenvisionyourselfasanewPIanddeterminepotentialcollaborationsdependingonyourgaps,andvisionandgoals.Pleasetake5-7minutestoreviewthecaseandstartbrowsingthesites(fortheindustrycases).Pleasecollectyourthoughtsonhowtoanswerthequestions.Thefacilitatorswillbeavailableforquestions.Eachgroupwillmakeapostertosharetheircompany’sstrategyandwewilldiscussit.Remembertochooseascribeandpresenterforeachgroup.”Nowlet’sbreakintogroups.Pleasegototheareaofinterest–SmallorLargeCompany,orAcademia
20minutes GroupdiscussionFacilitatorintroduction:“Mynameisx,andIworkatX.Mybackground/PhDisinY.I’mheretofacilitatethediscussion,keepthingsmovingalong.Wewillbeusingacompany’swebsitetoidentifytheirgaps.Feelfreetousetheslides.”Participantslookoverthewebsitesanddiscussamongstthemselves.Facilitatorsmayneedtopromptconversationifthereisalull.Remembertorepeatquestionstothegroupifanindividualraisesaquestion.Iftheysaytheyarealldone,getthemthinkingaboutadimensiontheyhaven’taddressedyet.Classmoderator–givea5minutewarningtowinddowndiscussionandtellthemtostartwritingupthepostersiftheyhaven’talreadybegun.
30minutes
Reportout,grouppresentationsClassmoderator-“Great,nowwewillsharewhatyourgroupsidentifiedasthecompany’sgaps,thedealstructures,andwhoyoumeasuredsuccess.Youwillhaveapproximately5minutestopresent.I’llgiveyoua2minutewarningbyholdinguptwofingers.”
Shareposters,seeexamplesbelow[Optional]Facilitatorsaskfollow-up,nextstepquestionsaboutthepresentationstogettheparticipantstothinkmoredeeplyaboutthesubject.
5minutes WrapupClassmoderator–Thanksforattending.Wewillbesendingoutpost-classsurveys.Pleasetake10minutestogiveusfeedback.Wearedevelopingthisworkshoptobesharednationwideandanycomments,suggestions,orkudosthatyougivewillbehelpful.
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SamplepostersfromtheUCSFsessioninJune2016Smallcompanycasestudy:
1. ReviewFivePrimeTherapeutics’website2. Yourroleislicensor.Inyourgroup,addressthefollowing
questionswhenlookingforcompanywhowantstouseyourtechnology:• Whatdoestheothercompanybringtothetable(whatgap
dotheyfill)• Whatincentivesdoesthecompanyhave(Gap)• Howwouldyouwanttobuildadeal(Vehicle)• Howcouldyoumakeitfriendlierforpartnering
(Executing)• Whodoyougotoforthedeal(Executing)• Howwouldyoumeasuresuccess?
Largecompanycasestudy:
1. ReviewJohnson&Johnson,MerckorCelgenewebsite2. Yourroleislicensee.Inyourgroup,addressthefollowing
questionswhenlookingforatechnologytolicense:• Whatdoestheothercompanybringtothetable(whatgap
dotheyfill)• Whatincentivesdoesthecompanyhave(Gap)• Howwouldyouwanttobuildadeal(Vehicle)• Howcouldyoumakeitfriendlierforpartnering
(Executing)• Whodoyougotoforthedeal(Executing)• Howwouldyoumeasuresuccess?
RubricforbusinessdevelopmentconceptsThistableprovidescriteriatoevaluateifthegroupisprogressingonthecase.Facilitatorsmightfindthistableusefulfordeterminingwhetherparticipantsdemonstratemasteryofbasicandadvancedconcepts,providingfocuseddirection,andclarifyingexpectationsforthegroupactivity.Areaofknowledge
BASICmasteryofconcepts ADVANCEDmasteryofconcepts
Identifyagapforascientificenterprise
Identifythetypesofgaps(financial,market,product,andstakeholder)
Correctlyidentifygapsforthecompanyororganization
Explainhowidentifyingcompanytype(disease-focusedortechnology-based)helpsdeterminethecompany’sgap
Giveexamplesofgapsfordisease-focusedortechnology-basedcompanies
Defineafinancialgap Giveexamplesoffinancialgapsandhowtoaddressthegap
Defineamarketorproductgap Giveexamplesofmarketorproductgapsandhowtoaddressthegap
Defineastakeholdergap Giveexamplesofmarketgapsandhowtoaddressthegap
Listplacestofindinformationaboutcompany’sgaps(publications,companypresentations,clinicaltrialinformation)
Evaluatetheinformationaboutthecompany’scurrentpipelineortechnology
Describehowthegapfitsthecompany’smissionorprogram
Assessthecompetitivelandscaperegardingthegap
Discussdealtypestofillthegap
Identifythedifferentdealtypes(researchcollab,license,development,commercialization,andacquisition)
Evaluatethedifferentvehicles(partnership/dealoptions)tofillthegap;aligntocompanymission
Identifywheretheycanfindinformationaboutpartners(newsreleases,googlesearches,orcompanypresentations)
Assesstheinformationaboutcurrentpartners,andsuggestotherpotentialpartners
Determinetheappropriatevehicletofillthegap(typeofdealorpartnership)
Evaluatehowwellthetargetfitsthecompany’sinternalgoalsandscope
Describebenefitsadealhasforalargecompany
Assessthebenefitsandchallengesforthelargecompany
Describethebenefitsadealhasforasmallcompany
Assessthebenefitsandchallengesforthesmallcompany
Identifythebenefitsofalicensingdeal Giveexamplesanddiscusstheconstraintsofdifferentlicensingdeals
Describethebenefitsandconstraintsofaresearchcollaborationoracquisitiondeal
Describethebenefitsandconstraintsofaco-developmentorco-commercializationdeal
Identifymetricstosuccessfullymonitorandexecuteadeal
Describecomponentsofadealstructure Identifyareasofflexibilityandhowtostructurethedealtoachievegoals
Identifyindividualsinthecompanytogotoforthedeal
Assesssituationswhereindividualsareidealforchampioningadeal
Definetheoutcomesforasuccessfulpartnershipordeal
Giveexamplesforbarrierstoexecutingthepartnershipordeal
Determineamonitoringplantotrackthemetrics(monthly,quarterly,orannuallyandwhoisresponsible)
Definemetricsforsuccess;candependonthedifferentpartners;assessifthecompanyisontrack
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ThankyouforyourinterestandparticipationintheBusinessDevelopmentworkshop.Thegoalofthegroupdiscussionistogivetheparticipantsachancetoapplytheprinciplestheylearnedfromthelecture.Thetasktheywillperformisdeterminingpotentialgapsacompanymaywanttofillfrombrowsingthecompany’swebsite,anddiscussinghowtheywouldexecutethedeal.Questionstoanswer:
• Whatdoestheothercompanybringtothetable(whatgapdotheyfill)• Whatincentivesdoesthecompanyhave(Gap)• Howwouldyouwanttobuildadeal(Vehicle)• Howcouldyoumakeitfriendlierforpartnering(Executing)• Whodoyougotoforthedeal(Executing)• Howwouldyoumeasuresuccess?
Asareminder,wehavedefinedtheconceptsbelow–
Gapscanbediverseandmayinclude:! Financial–revenue,market,accesstocapital! Product–pipeline! Market–marketshare,geographicfootprint,accesstomarkets! Stakeholder–productadoption,expertise
Commondealtypestofillgaps:! Researchcollaborationortechnologyevaluation! Licenseorlicenseoption! Developmentagreement! Commercializationagreement! Acquisitionoption
Executingthedeal:! Workingwithstakeholderstostructureadeal! Measuresuccess! Maximizesuccessafterdealcompletion
Whatifconversationstalls?Below,youwillfindalistofquestionstoprompttheparticipants.ReviewtheRubricforBusinessDevelopmenttohelpguidethediscussionandtodetermineiftheparticipantsinyourgrouparethinkingthroughthebasicconcepts.Afteraskingaquestion,steelyourselftowaitthroughthesilence—responseswillcome.Ifyounoticethesame2-3peoplespeaking,andwantbroaderparticipationyoumightsay:“Let’shearfromsomeonewehaven’theardfromyet”or“Howaboutsomeonefromthissideofthegroup?”etc.Youcanalsomovearoundthegroup—youwillboostparticipationfromwhateverdirectionyouface.
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Questionstopromptconversation:! Whatdothinkaregapsthecompanymightfill?! Whatistheir1to3yearstrategy?Havealookattheircorporatepresentations,usual5-10
slides,milestonesattheend.Dotheytalkaboutgapstheywanttofill?! Whatdoyouwantinadeal?Whatgapareyoutryingtofill?! Whatattributesareyoulookingforinthedealpartner?! Whataresuccessfactors?! WhatkindofBDinformationcanyoufindfrompublications?Havetheypublished?Ifthey
havepublication,mayindicatefurtheralonginR&D.Indicatespartnershipswithlabs.Companypostsarticlesthattheyatleastsupportinsomeway.Ifthereisresearchinsomewaythathelpsthem,theywillpost.Havesomehandinit.
Whattypesofquestionsmighttheparticipantsaskmeduringthediscussion?Whenwepreviouslyadministeredthiscourse,werecordedthemostcommonquestions.Belowyouwillfindthislistofquestionsfollowedbypossibleresponsesinthegraytext.Facilitatortip–Thefacilitator’sroleistopromptthegroupdiscussion.Whenastudentorpostdocasksaquestion,considergivingabroadanswertogetthemstarted,butthenpointtheminthedirectionofthewebsitewheretheycanfinditthemselves.Youmayalsoaskthequestionbacktothegrouptoseeifanyoneelsehasaresponse.Questionsparticipantsmayask
! Howdowedefineagap?Possibleresponse–Whatisthecompany’sstrategy?Howdoesitwanttomakemoneyorgrowinthefuture?Havethemdeterminethecompany’svaluepropositionanddefinewhatthecompanyisfocusingontohelpthemdeterminewhatgapsneedtobefilledintermsoftherapeuticarea,technologyorstakeholders..Platformcompaniescouldlooktoexpandtoothertherapeuticareas.Disease-focusedcompaniescouldlooktoexpandtheirproductsortechnologies.ExamplevaluepropositionforFivePrimeTherapeutics-Platformtechnologybringinggenomicsinanovelwaytomousemodels,tohelpvalidatethepotentialviabilityofpotentialclinicaltargets.
! Whatisanexampleofafinancialgap?Anexamplewouldbetogrowrevenue.Acompany’stargetmaynotyetbeonthemarket,andtheyarefocusingononlyonetherapeuticarea,theyneedrevenueiftheywanttogrow.
! Whatisanexampleofanexpertisegap?Iftheyarefocusingononeareaandtheywanttoexpandtootherareas,theyprobablydon’thavepeopleinthisnewarea.Probablyneedtohireinthisnewareaorcollaboratewithacademiclabs.
! Whatisanexampleofamarketgap? Acompanycouldhaveadruginneuroandnowwanttogetintooncology.Oncologyislucrativerightnow.
! Howdoyoudeterminegapsforatechnology-basedcompany?Lookatcurrentpipelinecandidates.Gapscouldspanmultiplepotentialtherapeutictargetsanddifferentareas.Scenario-Let’sassumetheyareamature,platformcompany.Maybetheychoseearlyontofocusinoneclinicalarea,andhavesomedrugsinthepipelinealready.Checknewsarticlestoseeifthey’vedonealicensingdealorpartneredforthoseproducts.Inthiscase,theycouldhaveactivecollaborationsinoneclinicalareabuttonedup,andcouldlooktofillamarketgap,oradifferenttherapeuticareaaltogether.Alternatively,iftherearenolicenses,
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therecouldbeatechnologyorproductgap.Ex:FivePrimeTherapeutics–theyareusingmiceastheirplatformtoidentifynoveltargetsthatcanbefurtherdeveloped.
! Howdoyouknowwhatdealsacompanyhasalreadydone?Companiespublishtheirpipeline.Tofindthisinformation,lookiftheyhavetoputthepartnerlogocompaniestheyhaveworkedwith.Pressreleasesareanotherplacetofindwhattypesofdealsthey’redoing.Aretheysellingtheasset,oraretheyco-developingandwanttodosomeoftheworkthemselves?Acompanymaynotwanttosellthewholecompany,butit’sdifficulttodevelopeverythingonyourown.
! Whatisadeal?Adevelopmentdealorcollaborationthatcouldeventuallyleadtorevenue.! Whatisavehicle?Thepartnershipandthedealtype.Howdoyouwanttodothedeal.
Mechanismyouwanttotakeyouthere.! Whatdealscancompaniesdoiftheyareinternational?It’saglobalmarketplace,BD
professionalsdon’tsegregatelocalandglobal.Industryprofessionalslookforthebesttechnology,drugcandidateanddeal.
! Canyougetinformationfromclinicaltrials?Clinicaltrialsmaygiveyouinformationaboutunmetmedicalneed,andhintatsubsetsofpatientsthatacompanyhasn’tidentifiedyet.Couldlookatclinicaltrialfailuresincertainmarkets.
! WherecanIfindinformationaboutcompetitors?Informationaboutcompetitorsmaynotbefoundonthewebsite,butthe10K(financialdocument)willtalkaboutcompetitors.Additionalsourcesforidentifyingcompetitorsareclinicaltrials.govandgooglesearches.
! Isitbetterforacompanytodevelopproductsformultiplediseasesareasorexplorejustone?There’snorightanswer.Thinkaboutthevariations.Ifit’saplatformcompany,maywanttheabilitytospinoffmultipledrugtargetsandmaynotbelimitedtotherapeuticareaorclinicalindication.Onepossibility-Startwithonetargetandseehowthatdevelops;buildacollaborationwithacademia.Dependsonhowsupportiveyourinvestorsareandhowmaturethecompanyisregardingsizeorsuccesswithcurrentproducts.
! Howdoyoufilladiversitygaporclinicalindicationgap?Licensing,developmentorcollaboration.
! Whatcanyoulicense?Foraplatformcompany,couldlicensetheplatformorthetargetsthatarebeingdeveloped.Considerthatacompanymaywanttobuyouteverything,butlicensingtheplatformcouldjeopardizeyourcompany.
! Howdoyoudecidebetweenadevelopmentoralicense?Whatgapsareyoutryingtofill?o Smallcompany–licenseisthelegalstructure;lessabouteitherorandmoreabout
thecomponentsofthelicense.Ex:Ifnotinclinicaltrialsandthesmallcompany’sgoalistolicenseandtogainexperienceindevelopment,thenyou’dwantco-developmenttoco-clinicallydeveloptheproduct.Ex:Ifyouwanttobeafullyintegratedcompany,butdon’twanttogoglobal,co-market.GenentechmarketslocallyandRochemarkets.Considerthestrategicgoalsofthecompany.Ifyou’relookingtogetacquired(oneanddone),thengivealltherightstothepartner.Inthiscase,you’lldefinemilestonesandroyalties.
o Bigcompany–iflicensingfromasmallercompany,maywanttocontroleverything.Ifit’sacompetitivelandscapeandthetargetisimportanttoyou,thenbeflexibleifyouknowthereareotherpeopleatthetable.Importantly,findoutwhat’simportanttothedealpartner.
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! Howdoyoudecidebetweengivingawayyourcompoundordevelopingthecompoundyourself?Dependsonthevisionforthecompany.Considerthecompany’sresourcesandambitions.Ifthecompanywantsaninorout–license.Ifthecompanywantstodevelopitthemselves,consideritmightbeahybrid.Forexample,maybedevelopinoneindicationandlicensetherest;co-develop.Couldhirescientistsintheotherindicationsthatcollaboratewiththeothercompanies.Orconsiderwhetherthecompanyhastheclinicalexpertise?
Executingthedealquestions
! Whathappensafteradealissigned?Onceyousignthedeal–upfrontpapersandsetting
milestones(e.g.,pre-clinicaldata,orsubmittingIND).Discussinformationabouthowthetechnologyisperforming,andhowthetargetorcandidateisbeingsuccessfullydeveloped.
! Whathappensifinvestorsdon’tgiveyouanotherroundoffunding?Couldfilladiversitygaporclinicalindicationgap.
! Whatdoyouconsiderifyouhavetwopotentialbuyersorcompanies?Whatisthegapyourcompanyistryingtofillandwhichcompanywillmeetthose?Variablestoconsider–whatisthepotentialcompany’strackrecordindevelopingandcommercializingproducts.Isthepotentialcompanyaclinicalleaderorwhoisofferingthemostmoney?Whowillbethebetterpartnerorwhosescientificinteractionsarebetter?Whichcompanyoffersmoreflexibility?Financialvariablescouldincludepotentialrevenueorimmediateprofit.
! Ifyouareseekingapartnerforadeal,whomdoyouapproachforthedeal?Forexample:ifthecompanywantsthebestchanceofgettingonthemarket,gotobigcompaniesandleadersinthefield.
! Howlongcanthesedealstake?Thesedealscantakeyears.Peoplehaveotherjobsandmultipleprojects.However,ifyou’reascientistandyouknowtheCEO,thengetthemtotalktoBDandaskthemtodevelopthedeal.ThisapproachmaygetBDtoworkonit.
! Howdoyoumeasuresuccess?Progress.Expertise.Whatisthecompanylearning?Progressing?Isthecompanystillaroundayearfromnow?Isthecompanymoresuccessfulfundraisinginthenextround?
Dealmakerquestions
! Whodoyouapproachortalkto?Norightanswer.ApproachtheBDdepartmentifthereisone.Directorofresearchorsomeonewhodoestheresearchisanotherpossibility.Ifyou’reabigcompany,theBDgroupwillusetheirnetworkorinvestorswillusetheirnetwork.Companiesaremostsuccessfulwhenit’srunsciencetoscience;eveniftheBDprofessionalsmayhavescienceormedicalbackgrounds.
! Whodoyougotoforthedeal?Internalnegotiators?Dolicenseeshavetheirownnegotiationsorconsultoutfordeals?BiggercompaniesusuallyaBDgroup.Forexecutingthedeal–there’sbankersthatarebroughtintodothefinancinganddothedeal.
! Whostartsthedealmaking,theCEO?CouldbeBDgrouporstrategy,couldbeCtoC(toptotopmeetings),evencompaniesthatarecompetitorswilltalkandifsomethingcomesupthattheyareinterestedin–theymaypassittotheBDgrouporthestrategygroup(tohelpidentifythegap),orMergers&Acquisitions(M&A)tomakeithappen.BankersorM&A
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decidesthetermsofthedeal.! Whomakesthefinaldecision?Typicallythebusinessowner,theCEO! Whodoyouapproachortalkto?Norightanswer.ApproachtheBDdepartmentifthereis
one.Directorofresearchorsomeonewhodoestheresearchisanotherpossibility.Ifyou’reabigcompany,theBDgroupwillusetheirnetworkorinvestorswillusetheirnetwork.Companiesaremostsuccessfulwhenit’srunsciencetoscience;eveniftheBDprofessionalsmayhavescienceormedicalbackgrounds.
! Whohasasayinthedeal?Itdoesn’tevenhavetobeseniorpeopleinthecompany.Itcouldberesearchersindifferentdepartmentswhosaytheyjustwenttoaconferenceandsawnewtechnologiesorpublications,andsay“weshouldgotalktothem”.Thequantitativeinformationcomesfromthefinancialprofessionals.Onthetechnologyside,there’stechnologyscoutsthatroamaroundandlookatwhattheythinkcouldbegreatandintegratewellwiththecompany.
! Doestheboardofdirectorssetstrategyordeterminegaps?Dependsonthecompany’ssize.Theboardmayincludeinvestors.Employeesmayalsoproposestrategyorideasforgrowth.Theboardwillsetthebigpicture.Employeespitchtocorporate,whopitchtoboard,andthenthedecisionsrollbackdown.
Licensequestions
! Whatcanyoulicense?Foraplatformcompany,couldlicensetheplatformorthetargetsthatarebeingdeveloped.Licensingtheplatformcouldjeopardizethecompany.Considerthatacompanymaywanttobuyouteverything.
! Whattypesoflicensesarethere?Whatisthecompany’sgaporneed?Licensesarebasedontheneed–Factorsmayincludewhetherthetechnologyispatentedornot,thecompany’scommercializationneeds(exclusiveornon-exclusive),whetherthecompanywantstousejustforinternalR&D.
! Whydoyouneedalicense?Companiesneedlicensesiftheywanttherighttouseorcommercializeanothercompany’sinvention(e.g.,productortechnology).Alicensegrantsfreedomtooperate,andgrantingalicensegivespermissiontoplay.
! Isitallowedforsmallcompaniestolicensetheirproducttobiggercompanies?Companiescandowhatevertheywant.Lookatthedealsthey’vealreadydone.Companiespublishtheirpipeline.Tofindthisinformation,lookiftheyhavetoputthepartnerlogocompaniestheyhaveworkedwith.Pressreleasesareanotherplacetofindthisinformation.
! Whywouldasmallcompanywanttolicensetoabiggercompany?Smallercompaniesmaywanttolicensethetechnologyinanentirelynewclinicalarea,sotheyhaveanewdevelopmentpartnertocarrythatout.Ortoreachanewgeographicarea.Ortomeetafinancialgap.
! Whatisanexclusivelicense?Apatentgivesarighttoexcludeothersinyourdomain.Anon-exclusivelicensecouldgotomorethancompany,whichistypicalfortechnologies.Oftenfordrugtargets,companiesgrantmoreexclusivelicenses.Variationscouldbeifdrugtargethasbroadclinicalapplications,couldgiveanexclusivelicenseforcardiovascular,oneforRA,orotherclinicalareas.
! Regardinglicensing-Howdoesexclusivitywork?SayCompanyAhasanagreementwith
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CompanyBforoneparticulardiseasearea,doesthispreventCompanyAforworkingwithothercompaniesforthatonedisease?ForBD,creativityisparamount.Dependsontheneedofeachpartner.Intermsofexclusivity,totalexclusivitymeansthelicensestructuregivesthepartnerrightstodevelopthatmoleculeortargetineveryclinicalindicationorforothers.Companiescouldsplititup–differentexclusivelicensesforcancerorautoimmune.Sliceanddicedependingonwhatthepartneriswillingtodo.Onegoalistomaximizethevalue.Saythepartnerisinterestedinthemoleculeandtheyareexpertsinneuro.TomaximizethevalueofanassetforFivePrime,youwouldn’twanttogiveautoimmunerightstoaneurocompany.
! Whatdoyouconsiderbeforelicensingatechnology?Howdoesitfittoourprogram?Canwegrowouttheirproduct?Isitacompetitor?
! What’smoreadvantageous,ashortertimeorlongtermlicenseagreement?Iflongterm–probablypaymoreandifyou’reout,you’reoutmore.Willneedmorebenchmarkstoensuresuccess.Advantage-ifamilestoneisn’tmet,havemoreroomtogetout.
! Whatisamotivationforlicensing?Strategycouldlayoutthelicensorsinthebeginningwiththeexitstrategy–becomeafullyintegratedcompany,acquisitionorlicensing
o Smallcompany–validatestheirdrugcandidateifconvinceapartnertolicenseit;avoteofconfidencethatthedrughaspotential.Foranoveltarget–alicenseisavoteofconfidencewhileaclinicaltrialistheultimatevalidation.Licensingisonewaytofinancethecompany.Couldgetanotherpartnertogetyouanupfrontpaymenttohavemoneytooperateforafewyears.Couldalsogetcashfrominvestors,butthenthecompanyisgivingequityawayfromthecompany.
o Bigcompany–togetintoadiseaseareatheyarenotin;in-licenseacandidatethatwillgiveacompetitiveedge.Couldbepartofaportfoliostrategy-ifthecompanyhasaproductonthemarketandthecompetitorisinthedevelopmentstage,thenalifecyclestrategymightbetolicensetheirdrugandaddittoyourpipeline.Out-licensetogetoutaspaceortogetridoftheportfolio.
! Dolicensingdealshappenatanystageofclinicaltrial?Yes,canhappenpre-clinical,andcanhappenpostcommercialization.Canhappenatanystage.Mightwanttolicensethecommercialrightsandgetroyalties.
Career-relatedquestions
! HowmanyBDprofessionalsareinacompany?Dependsonthecompany.Usuallywhenthebusinessreachesover15-20peopleandtheseniorfolksaredoingtoomuch,they’llhireonsomeoneforbusinessdevelopment.Andifyou’re50-100people,they’llhavetwoBDprofessionals.MoreandmorecompaniesarehiringwithaPhDorMDpre-requisite.
! WhydosomecompanieswantbusinessvssciencepeopleinBDroles?Dependswhatthey’relookingfor.Iftheywantsomeonewhoistechsavvyandcancommunicatewithbiggercompanies.Othercompaniesmaywantsomeonewithbusinessbackground.Usuallyit’stheformer,someonewhohasadeepunderstandingofthetechnologyorbiology.
Smallcompanyexample(FivePrimeexampleswereupdatedJune2016)
! Aretheymakingmoneyoffthisonemolecule?Notyet.Andtheywanttogrowasa
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company.Theyhavetwothingsinthepipeline.TheCEOisambitiousandtheinvestorswantthecompanytogetbigger.Goalisgrowth.
! Whatisanexampleofanexpertisegap?Ex:Iftheyarefocusingonmousemodels.Maywantcollaborationstotestinhumancellsorpre-clinicaltrialstofigureoutwhichoftheirtargetsismorepromising.Assumetheexistinglicensingdealsthey’vedonehaveprovidedafairamountofdetermination.Smallercompaniescouldengageinresearchcollaborationstobetterunderstandthebiology,ordefinethepathgoingforwardmore.Asmallcompanycouldhavealargerbiotechorpharmacompanydothedevelopmentwork.
! Whyisn’tFivePrimemakingmoneyyet?FivePrimeisarelativelymaturecompanywithmaybe5Minthebank.Thedealsmaynotgenerateimmediaterevenue.Theyhaveventurefunding.They’veraisedsomemoneyandmadesomedeals,thosedealsaregoing,butthey’vegotemployeesandoperationscostthatwillrunoutinayear.Theirinvestorsmaywantthemtodiversify.Sofar,they’vefocusedononearea.Remembertheyareaplatformcompany.Oneideamightbe-theycouldlicensethetechnologyinanentirelynewclinicalarea,andhaveanewdevelopmentpartnertocarrythatout.
! Whatisanexampleofamarketgap?ForFivePrime:twoinitialdealsincardioandnowwanttogetintooncology.Oncologywouldbeanewmarketforthetheirtechnology.
! Howwouldyoubuildadealifyouhaveaoneyearburnrate?Thecompanyprobablydoesn’twanttostartacollaboration.Maywantenoughdatatomakeanattractivedeal;assesshowreadythecompanyistoengageinconversations.
! Whatcanyoulicense?AplatformcompanylikeFivePrimecouldlicensethetargetsorthemouse,butlicensingthemouse(theplatforminthiscase)wouldputthecompanyatjeopardy.Licensingtheplatformcouldjeopardizethecompany.
! IfIhavecompoundsthatIhavenoexpertisein,doIsellthemoffcompletely?ForasmallcompanylikeFivePrime,maywanttoconsidersurvivingtheshorttermfinanciallyversusriskingthatthetargetbecomesthenextbigdrugtarget.Somedealsarestrictassetsale.Typically,acompanyhasassetdealsonlywhencompaniesarewindingdown.Youwanttoretainthevaluetothecompany.Wanttostructureasalicensetomeetmilestonesandhavepotentialforrevenue.Thedecisionalsodependsonthemarket.Doesthecompanyhaveonlyonesuitorwhowantstobuyitoutright?
! Howmightyoustructureadeal?Doesthedealincludeexitclauses?Thesepreventacompanyfromgettingtrappedinalong,expensivedeal.Mightincludefinancialincentivestothemilestones.Couldrestrictthegeographicareatowherethebigcompanyhasgeographicexpertisetomarketbroadly.Buildinflexibilitytorestructurethedeal.Couldrequestcontinuedsupportorexpertisefromthelicensee–togainaccesstotechnicalexpertise.
! Whatdoesasmallcompanyneedtoknowaboutalargecompanybeforemakingthedeal?Makesurewhentheycometothetable,thesmallcompanyunderstandsthelargecompany’sassetsandwhatwebringtothetable.
Largecompanyexample
! Whatareexamplesofgapsforlargecompanies?Productgapsareoneexample.Thecompanymightbelookingtolicenseatechnologyasalargecompany,becausetheyhavea
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drypipeline.Largecompaniestypicallythinkaboutacapabilitygaporproductgap.Considerfindingatechnologytouseinternally-todoyourbusinessortouseasaproduct.Ifatechcompany,mightlooktofillthepipeline,godeeperintoamarketsegment,orgetmorecustomers.
! Whataredealchoicesforalargecompany?Partner,licenseoracquire.! Aretargetsforalargecompanydifferentfromasmallercompany?Notnecessarily! Doesbigcompanyhaveadvantagestolicensingatechnologyfromasmallcompany?
There’sapowerdifferentialthatyoucanthinkabout.Havealottooffer,butmaywanttobeveryspecificwiththemilestonesandcomponentsofthedeal.
! Howdoyouknowyouwanttotakeanewtechnology?Remindtheparticipantstoaskifitfitstheirprogram.Whatisthecompany’sgap?Doesthecompanyhavetheresourcestogrowouttheirproduct?
! Whatdoesalargecompanyneedtolookoutfor?Acquiringanewtechnologymightsoundgood,butifnoonehasexpertiseinthatarea,then1)thinkaboutwhysomeonemightbegivingyouthattech(isitadeadorfailingassay)oritmightbeagoodassay,butthecompanycan’ttakeadvantageofit.Makesureit’sgoodforthecompany’sportfolioandpeoplecanmanageitmovingforward.Makesureitdoesn’tcannibalizethecompany’sothersegments,products,customersorprofit.Ex:Ifit’saneuroproduct,doesitfittheneuroprogramorisitmoreoncology?Whateverthetechnologyis,itneedstofitthecompany’smissionandvision.Youdon’twanttoendupwithabiggergapthanwhenyougotstarted.
! Dolargercompanieshaveflexibilitytodefinestrategymovingforward?Forexample,thecompanyhasatechnology,canitchoosetolicensethetechnologycontingentuponthedirectionitisdeveloped?Happensalot.Onceyoulicensethetechnology,itisusuallydevelopedalready.Thelicensewillhavecontingenciesaboutwhereitcanbeusedandhow.Oneexampleisgeography-onelicenseforEuropeandanothercompanymighthavethelicensefortheU.S.Althoughthishappensalotwithpharmaceuticals,itcancreatetensions.Globalsourcingmighthavethreedifferentmanufacturersandmovingitacrosscountrylines(import/export)cancauseconfusion.Licenseeorlicensormaywanttoconsiderthisacrossgeographicregions–ifsomeoneislicensingitsomewhereelse.Globalstrategyandimport/exportstrategy.
! Whatmightabigcompanylookmorecloselyatforatechnologydeal?Whatmightbeagreaterriskforabigcompanygoingintoadeal?Oneexampleistheinternalcompanyscope-portfolioconsiderations.Bigcompanieshavebiggerportfolios.What’sinthecurrentpipelineanddoesthenewtargetfitthevisionandmission?
! What’soneattractiveBDsituationforalargecompany?Aproductthatismarketready.Forexample,asmallcompanyhasadrugortechnologythatgonethroughtheR&Dphaseandabouttolaunch.Bigcompanycouldlicensethedrug,dothemarketing,outreachandwillstickinthemarketplace.Abigcompanyhasabrand,establishedconnections,andtrackrecord.Forasmallcompany,thisisattractiveinpartbecausethebigcompanycouldabsorbthosecostsifasmallercompanydoesn’thavetheresources.
! Whatisonetypeofexpertiseabigcompanycanspecificallybringtothetable?Fillingamarketgap.Forexample,takinganassetandmarketitinanewtherapeuticarea.Iftheproductisalreadycommercial,abigcompanycouldapplythelicenseandgetittoanew
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population.Forbigcompaniesnegotiatingwithasmallcompany,wouldwanttoclarifythegoalsandwhatcanbedonetomaketheirdrugortechnologymoresuccessful.Biggercompanieshavelongerhistories,andmoredatatolookatandinformtheirdecisionsforadoptingandmarketingproducts.
! Whatifanassetortechnologylookstoogoodtobetrue?Everyoneshouldgetsomethingfromthedeal.Symbiotic.Ontheflipside,ifsomeoneissellingagreatassetandit’snotgoodfortheirbusiness,youwanttoaskwhyaretheygivingupthisgreatasset.Ifyoudon’tunderstandthatperspective,thenmakesuretolookatthedealclosely.
! Candealsprovidesomethingotherthanmoneytothesmallercompany?Likeexpertise?Yes,forexample,expertiseonmarketingstrategyandmarketingplan.Havingsalespeopleinplaceismorebeneficialthanthemoney.Marketadoptionisaverydifferentandclearsetofexpertise.Sometimesthemarketingstrategyisdonetogetherwiththesmallcompany(co-marketingdeal),becauseit’sthesmallcompany’sdrug.Thesmallcompanymayhelpwithbrand,andmakesureit’salignedtotheirexpectations,missionandvision.Onekeyadvantagecouldbethatbigcompanieshaveexperiencebringingproductstomarketplace.Forexample,placementstrategyorwheretheproductisplaced.Somebigcompanieshavelongerhistoriesandknowwhereandhowtoplacetheproducttogetmoretraction.Ex:Pharmaciesincertainregionsthatdomoreheartmedsthanotherplaces.Andalsodoctorsthatmoreopentotryingnewdrugs.Haverelationshipswiththosedoctors.
! Whatmightyouconsiderbeforeacquiringasmallcompany?Besidesaskingwhetheritfitsyourcompany’svisionandmission,couldaskwhatelsedoesthesmallhaveinthepipeline.Otherpromisingproducts?Maybeconsideracquisition.Ifit’sonlyoneproduct,mightbettersuitedforlicense.Considerthefinancials,too.
! Howmightyoustructureadeal?Doesthedealincludeexitclauses?Thesepreventacompanyfromgettingtrappedinalong,expensivedeal.Mightincludefinancialincentivestothemilestones.Couldrestrictthegeographicareatowheretheyhavegeographicexpertisetomarketbroadly.Buildinflexibilitytorestructurethedeal.Couldrequestcontinuedsupportorexpertisefromthelicensee–togainaccesstotechnicalexpertise.
! Whatdoesalargecompanyneedtoknowaboutasmallcompanybeforemakingthedeal?Makesurewhentheycometothetable,thelargecompanyunderstandsthesmallcompany’sneedsandthevaluetheybringtothecompany.Couldrememberthatseveralcompaniescouldbecourtingthem,sotalkaboutyourcompany’svalueproposition(whatyoubringtothetable).