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Hyper-Calvinism3 2.07%

Ultra High Calvinism8 5.52%

High Calvinism81 55.86%

Moderate Calvinism49 33.79%

Low Calvinism2 1.38%

Lutheranism2 1.38%

Free-will Baptist0 0%

Arminianism0 0%

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04-24-2007, 02:43 PM

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Where are you on the Calvinism Chart?

Look at the following Calvinism Chart and see which best fits your particular Calvinistposition. You don't have to agree explicitly with each definition, just place yourself

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were you most agree.

This is an OPEN POLL. Your selection is not secret.

Hyper-Calvinism: Beliefs: God is the author of sin and man has noresponsibility before God. The Gospel should only preached to the elect.i.e. duty faith. and anti-missionary Belief in the five points is a prerequisitefor true salvation, also known as Neo-Gnostic Calvinism. Proponents:Joseph Hussey John Skepp and some English primitive Baptists.

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Ultra High Calvinism: Beliefs: That the elect are in some sense eternallyjustified. A denial of: The Well Meant Offer; Common Grace; and Godhaving any love for the non-elect. Proponents: John Gill, some ministers inthe Protestant Reformed Church of America

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High Calvinism: Beliefs: That God in no sense desires to save thereprobate, Most deny the Well-Meant Offer. Supralapsarian viewing Godsdecrees. All hold to limited atonement. Most believe in particular grace andsee the atonement as sufficient only for the elect. Proponents: TheodoreBeza, Gordon Clark, Arthur Pink

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Moderate Calvinism: Beliefs: That God does in some sense desires tosave the reprobate, Infralapsarian in viewing Gods decrees. AffirmsCommon Grace. Proponents: John Calvin (some argue that he was aHigh-Calvinist), John Murray, RL Dabney

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Low Calvinism: Beliefs: That Christ died for all in a legal sense, so onecan speak of Christ dying for the non-elect. That God has two distinct wills.Affirms the Well-Meant Offer and Common Grace, Proponents:Amyraldrians , RT Kendal

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Lutheranism: Beliefs: That Calvinist over emphasize God Sovereigntyover mans responsibility. That Christ died for all in legal sense, that someare predestined on to life but none are predestined onto death. That thesacraments are means of grace regardless of ones faith. Proponents:Martin Luther, Philipp Melanchthon, Rod Rosenbladt

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American Baptist: Beliefs: That God has given man libertarian freedom,that Gods knowledge of future is based on His foreknowledge. That Christdied for all and desires all to be saved. Once a persons believes the gospel,he is eternally secure. Rejects Calvinism, some would even call it heretical.Proponents: Jerry Falwell, Adrian Rogers

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Arminianism Beliefs: That God has given man libertarian freedom, thatGods knowledge of future is solely based on His foreknowledge. ThatChrist died for all and desires all to be saved. A person can fall from thestate of grace i.e. lose ones salvation, since it is our free will that choosesChrist at conversion. Proponents: Jacob Arminius, John Wesley someMethodists

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P.S. Almost forgot: copyright Rev Jonathan James Goundry. Thanks VanVos.

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You label me!!

I believe that the gospel is to be preached to all mankind; however,I deny duty faith and duty repentance.I deny common grace.I deny that the gospel is an "offer" and is rather a declaration.I hold to eternal justification.I hold to supralapsarianism.

= IMO I am a high Calvinist

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Helps

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I picked ultra-high just so the curve will be a little more uniform. High-calvinism isprobably the best fit for me.

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I'm a little confused as to the difference between ultra and high octane Calvinism?

Also, per High it states: "Some believe in particular grace. . . ."

Should that be common grace? I thought all Calvinists even the anemic kind believe inparticular grace?

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Thanks for putting the poll together. Looks like High-calvinism is the general consensusof the puritanboard. Have you heard this book High Calvinists in Action ?

I think I'm going to have purchase a copy.

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Originally Posted by Civbert

I picked ultra-high just so the curve will be a little more uniform. High-calvinism isprobably the best fit for me.


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I'll gladly sit in the "High Calvinism" pew with Turretin and Owen. Although I lean toward Infra rather than Supra.

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Aren't you jumping to conclusions? There have only been 7 respondents so far. Thisisn't CBS news!

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Originally Posted by VanVos

Thanks for putting the poll together. Looks like High-calvinism is general consensusof the puritanboard.


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I picked High Calvinism, but I can say that in discussion on other forums I go into ultrahigh Calvinism in some of the way I put things

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Well, after answering the last poll wrongly because I didn't understand a term("justified true belief" where I thought true meant genuine/sincere and it meantcorrect) I'm going to ask first before I define myself!

I've heard different people mean different things by "common grace". I believe in it inthe sense that all men deserve hell, yet are allowed this present life for a time. I alsobelieve that for the non-elect those good things are unto judgment so maybe that isdenying common grace. So what do you mean by it so that I can know if I believe it ordeny it?

And I don't know what i think about the lapsarianism business, so I won't count that inmy answer. I think I'm going to end up "high" but the jury's still out. I have to admitthat "high" sounds more respectable than "low" so I feel somewhat abashed aboutchoosing it, but that's the way it goes.

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Originally Posted by Magma2

I'm a little confused as to the difference between ultra and high octane Calvinism?

Also, per High it states: "Some believe in particular grace. . . ."

Should that be common grace? I thought all Calvinists even the anemic kind believe


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Depends who you read:

In my reading I found that John Owen was a high calvinist but believed in commongrace, I think also Turretin. Some say no high calvinist believes in common grace,some say all do, so I think the most accurate position is some do.

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Jenny, just click on "High."

Also, I think VanVos (Jonathan) admits there may be some adjustments needed in hisdefinitions/distinctions. And there is some overlap to be considered. But looking at thespectrum of categories, one can generally pick a place for himself.


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Aren't you jumping to conclusions? There have only been 7 respondents so far. This


7 de 23 16/04/2014 20:24

You can go home folks - the winner has been declared!

I'm feeling lonely as the uno ultra. I wonder if we will see the Buffalo effect. Anyonefeel influenced by the fact that (so far) the vast majority is High-Calvinism. Does itmake want to vote with the winners.

The inner-irrationalist in me feels like a loser. But then the same inner-irrationalistsays being at the top of the list makes me number one!


isn't CBS news!

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Yes; I have read it and it is very good.

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Have you heard this book High Calvinists in Action ?

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I perceive that most puritanboard folks will be high to ultra. I think the people herelike to be consistent in their theology

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Aren't you jumping to conclusions? There have only been 7 respondents so far. Thisisn't CBS news!


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I would say this is a good illustration of why broad distinctions like these (low,moderate, high, ultra-high Calvinism) are often arbitrary and seldom helpful. Muchbetter to compare the Reformed confessions (and theologians) on each individualissue, observing where they are silent, and where they emphasize things differently.

That said, I did vote, but basically just in hopes of helping to make it clear that infrasdo make up a significant portion of all Calvinists currently (just as they always havehistorically).

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Depends who you read:

In my reading I found that John Owen was a high calvinist but believed in commongrace, I think also Turretin. Some say no high calvinist believes in common grace,some say all do, so I think the most accurate position is some do.

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What is the 'well-meant offer'

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As I see it, the Well-Meant-Offer reflects the view of the Murray-Stonehouse Report in1948 response to Clark-VanTil controversy.



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I picked high calvinism.

supralapsarian, limited atonement, the atonement is sufficient for the elect only.

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What is the 'well-meant offer'


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Curious as to who the hyper vote belongs to...

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I think it's actually quite useful in getting a ball-park view. The fact that there aredifferent denominations is a case in point. If we didn't find the categories helpful, we'dall be non-denominational.

Didn't the infra make up the majority in that poll? I think it was pretty evenly split. I'llhave to do a search.

P.S. It was close, almost 40% infra. Supra- or Infra-??? Yes, it is time to do itagain!


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I would say this is a good illustration of why broad distinctions like these (low,moderate, high, ultra-high Calvinism) are often arbitrary and seldom helpful. Muchbetter to compare the Reformed confessions (and theologians) on each individualissue, observing where they are silent, and where they emphasize things differently.

Originally Posted by Me Died Blue

That said, I did vote, but basically just in hopes of helping to make it clear that infrasdo make up a significant portion of all Calvinists currently (just as they always havehistorically).

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HIGH Calvinism.I'm glad no one has said "I'm a high Calvinist" because certain hippy types might getthe wrong idea...

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It's an open poll. You can click on the numbers to see who voted for what.

Should I have added that information to the first post? I think we tend to think openpolling is not good, and secret ballets are better. But I was interested in seeing ifanyones vote were a surprise.

P.S. I just added that poll is "open" in the first post.


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Curious as to who the hyper vote belongs to...

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I'm about 50% moderate, 30% high and 20% ultra if that's possible.

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I am majority moderate, but as with most polls the options are limited. The part of methat isn't moderate is high, but not ultra-high.

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That's impossible!! It's inconceivable!!

I thought about making it multiple choice.



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I'm about 50% moderate, 30% high and 20% ultra if that's possible.

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I'm so confused.

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Originally Posted by Civbert

That's impossible!! It's inconceivable!!

I thought about making it multiple choice.

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I am a mix between High and Moderate Calvinism --> I picked Moderate.

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I think free-will baptists generally deny Eternal security, don't they?

Adrian Rogers wouldn't, by that standard, qualify as a free-will baptist.

I don't think falwell would either...???

Yeah I agree the title free will baptist is misleading. I was going put Southern Baptist,but that also a mixed camp. Maybe general Baptist would be a better term.

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Me too.

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I went with High, but was tempted to go Ultra so Anthony won't feel lonely.

I agree that perhaps the definitions could have been clearer. For example for High:

1. "God in no sense desires to save the reprobate"

Yet,

2. "some deny the Well-Meant Offer."

Wouldn't the affirmation of 1 be the necessary denial of 2 since the WMO is the ideathat God desires to save the reprobate?

Although I tend to lean toward the Ultra position, since for example I think there is asense in which the elect are in some sense eternally justified (see Kuyper and RichardBacon) and also if love is an action then I would say the love question is answeredabove per #1 which would mean Highs are really Ultras and just don't know it.

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Yes, I couldn't work out why Turretin's name was attached to a position whichoutrightly calls itself supralapsarian. And Owen taught the absolute necessity of theatonement, so that effectively banishes him to the fringes of high-Calvinism. I wouldsummarise high calvinism as the belief that God does all things according to thecounsel of His will.

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Originally Posted by Gomarus

I'll gladly sit in the "High Calvinism" pew with Turretin and Owen. Although I lean toward Infra rather than Supra.


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AV1611/RJS, just admit it!

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I don't really know what I am. Confused, I suppose. I appreciate Rev. Winzer clarifyingsome things.

What does this make me (?):

I read this from Bavink on predestination (paraphrased on punctuation mostly):

Concerning the moderate/high Calvinism. These are the things I believe:

If the above from Bavink is accurate, then I'd say I'm supralapsarian.Thus, I believe that all things flow from God's decree (that He works all thingsaccording to the counsel of his will). I believe that we are to preach the gospel to allindiscriminately; however, I don't know that God could have a "well-meaning" offer, ifHe has so decreed that men be otherwise condemned. Since we cannot know who theelect are, of course, we preach the gospel to all. It's not as if God needs our help, andour main purpose in preaching is to be obedient to God's command. Many believe(Spurgeon, et al) passages such as 1 Tim 2:4 show that God, in some way we can'tfathom or comprehend, desires (not so much that He actually effects it so) that all(without exception, as opposed to distinction) men be saved. I, on the other hand,believe that the context brings it to mean all kinds of men--thus, said passages don'tpose a threat to my systematic understanding of God's working in soteriology.

I hope I haven't rambled. But that being said, how would I be classified?

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Pelagianism:1. original sin actual sin2. predestination

Augustinianism or Infralapsarianism:1. original sin2. predestination3. actual sin

Supralapsarianism:1. predestination2. original sin3. actual sin


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I wanna be high, so highI wanna be free to knowThe things I do are rightI wanna be freeJust me, babe!That's why I'm easyI'm easy like Sunday morning

I'm a High Calvinist but I'm also easy like Sunday morning.

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