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CONFIRMEDCHEMICAL PROCESSING

FEBRUARY 2012

CONFIRMED MINUTESFEBRUARY 20 - 24, 2012

SHERATON HOTEL,SAN DIEGO, CA USA

These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group in writing or by vote at a subsequent meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or recommendation from the Task Group and shall not be considered as such by any agency.

M ONDAY , February 20, 2012

1.0 OPENING COMMENTS-CLOSED

The Chemical Processing Task Group (CP) was called to order at 8.00am.

Quorum Check - It was verified that only SUBSCRIBER MEMBERS were in attendance during the closed portion of the meeting.

Code of Conduct, Ethics/Conflict of Interest and Export Control Presentations were reviewed.

Subscriber Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)

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HalMikeMarkMichaelDavidManuelBobJimMichaelMikeTerryChrisKarynTimothyPeterRobertHaroldSylviaGlenGregTommyAndrewJohnRobertSergeMyLocNathalieSusanNiNickVeroniqueAngelina

AbelBarnesBohleyBrewerBurkeCabreraCashmanChanColemanCorsinoCurtlandDavisonDemingDitchDrosteFaticantiFinchFranklinFronabargerHaatajaHowlandKentKoenigKoukolLabbeLeLe PottierLewisLuuMagnaperaMarcelMendoza

COMPANY NAME

RaytheonSenior Aerospace KetemaHoneywellSpirit AeroSystemsBAE Systems Inc.The Boeing CompanyParker AerospaceHoneywell AerospaceThe Boeing CompanyHamilton SundstrandBall Aerospace & TechnologiesSpirit AeroSystemsGoodrichThe Boeing CompanyAirbus AmericasTextron Systems CorporationSpirit Aerosystems IncThe Boeing CompanyGoodrichBell Helicopter TextronSpirit AeroSystemsNorthrop GrummanThe Boeing CompanyHoneywellHeroux-Devtek, IncSpirit AeroSystems IncEurocopterLockheed Martin Corp.Cessna Aircraft CompanyBAE SystemsSafran GroupGoodrich Corp

Vice Chairperson

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PatriciaTomHongliJimJamesLeandroJeremyGarryChrisYohandsRobertConazonJerryRogerPaulLucilleMikeMikeZiaShawnDebbiePeterGrzegorzLingSurgey

MihalikMorelandNiuO’SheaParkPereirePhillpsPickettReillyRexReynoldsSantosSatchwellSellersSlaterSnedakerSteeleStolzeUsmaniVierthalerVogelWongWrykYapYesilevich

Rolls-Royce CorpBombardier Aerospace - BelfastGoodrichGE AviationNorthrop GrummanEmbraer (pending)Cessna AircraftPratt & WhitneyHamilton SundstrandHoneywellThe Boeing CompanyBoeing CompanyRolls-RoyceSpirit AeroSystemsRockwell CollinsGeneral DynamicsBoeingNorthrop Grumman CorpBAE Systems (MAI)Spirit AeroSystems Inc.TriumphGoodrich CorpGoodrich Corp.The Boeing CompanyHamilton Sundstrand

Other Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)

NAME COMPANY NAME

SiohbanJeffreySaidDavidSoniaNormanSamNancyShrikantFredMikeLeeJasonJudithEricJohnArmandoStephaneCharlieSteveMarkJimRobertJim

AleknaAlmeydaAmegroudAnzuresBalcazarBeadleBellBennettBhaveBindaBrandtBruceCallahanCamachoCarlsonCarpenterCellsChaumeilCostelloCrestCrevlerCummingsCusterDenton

SPS TechnologiesMaster Metal FinishersTecnickrome AeroCalifornia Technical Plating IncAviation Equip Process InkUnison Engine ComponentsMetal Surfaces IncCertified Inspection Service CoElectrochemOzark Mountain TechnologiesAlcoaRobert Stuart LtdAnodic Inc.Goodrich Aerospace de MexicoEsterline Hytek FinishesU.S. Chrome Corp.Metal Surfaces IncGALION – UITSSun-Glo Plating CoStabile PlatingMorton ManufacturingMetal Finishing CompanyAAA Plating & Inspection Inc.B-D Industries

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RobElasDavidArturoGregBillBenGarySarahKellieEricDarronBibianaJonathanCoryBlancaRickOmarBryanEricDavidJeffRichardKevenJeffJohnSharonJulieRosaJimPeteJenniferIanCoryDavidCarlosAbdillanSimoneGaryJimThomasKatsumiDinhErnestoMikeFernandaLuis GustavoBharatSteveRobertNaldoGregJuanBrianKenHectorBrett

DewitzEndorkEshlemanEspinozoExcellFerrisFloresFoxFuquaGaskinsHarrisHarrisHarquezHebbenHonseHuertaIngramIsraelJacobsJacklinJohnsonJonesKlineKudelkaLoganLopez Sr.MackMahanMartinMaloneyMataMcCownMcDonaldMcGrawMichaudMirandaMohamedMurphy-FickenworthNewtonNewtonNewtonNagasakiNgoNieroNoettlNovaesPachecoPatelPaynePedroPenaPennyPerezPetersonPhamPichardoPio

All Metals ProcessingPacific ScientificThe Young EngineersLMI AerospaceCoast Plating IncTechMetalsAASCAnodyne, IncKearfott CorpPremier Processing LLCHigh Tech Etch, IncExotic Metals Forming CoGoodrich Aerospace - MexicoDucommun AeroStructuresPremier ProcessingBowman Plating CompanySkills IncAemnova Aerospace MexicoMico MachineF.M. Callahan & Sons IncExpert ResourceAlloy ProcessingX-R-I TestingWestfield Electroplating.Saporito Metal FinishingE.M.E.PM Testing Laboratory Inc.Unison Engine ComponentSuperior Plating CoThe Timken Co.Black Oxide Inc.Sheffield Platers IncRobert Stuart LtdPM Testing Laboratory incFountain Plating CoAnodizing IndustriesLord CorpChrome Plus InternationalAircraft X-Ray Labs Inc.Aircraft X-Ray LabsAircraft Xray LaboratoriesMitsubishi Heavy IndustriesGKN Aerospace Chem-Tronics, Black Oxide IndMagnetic Inspection LaboratoryEmbraerEmbraer SALikro Precision Ltd.Praxair Surface TechnologiesS.P.X. Precision CoPrecision Gear IncEmbee IncAircraft X-Ray LabsAircraft X-Ray LabsLisi AerospaceCurtiss Wright ControlsCalifornia Technical Plating

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KimCindyJimGardinerVictorVickiTammiKenDaveGregVittorioDavidDawnEricSteveDebbieLeviMitchMinhJimTonyAlfredoClaudiaAlvertoKimberlyJerryJaneJoanneScottNathanRobertWilliamJoseph

PorterRothRingerRynneSalazarSalzaruloSchubertSeiseSerbousekSmotherman SrStanaStatenStokesStoltzStoneSykesTalamentalTannerTangTuminelloValenciaValenzuelaVargasVasquezVecchioneWahlinWarrenderWeinoeWeirWheelerWinkleyYounkinZablelski

Poly Metal Finishing IncTeam Industrial ServicesTech Met IncChem Processing IncOmni Metal Finsihing, IncKaman Aerospace CorpLMI Finishing IncEssex CryogenicsOlympic ScientificOzark Mountain TechnologiesAvcorp Industries.EatonPTI Industries, IncBodycoteSaporito FinishingHixson Metal FinishingMetal Finishing CompanyEmbee Inc.Carlton Forge WorksTech MetGarfield Metal FinishingLMI AerospaceLMI AerospaceAviation Equip Process InkNew Hampshire Ball BearingAAA Plating & Inspection Inc.Stainless Plating LtdGolden State Magnetic & PenetrantAmprior Aerospace Inc.RAM CompanySurface Finish TechnologiesAerofit, IncRonatec C2C

PRI Staff Present

William CalvertNigel CookMichael GrahamSarah Jordan

2.0 DELEGATION OVERSIGHT – CLOSED

Delegation oversight was reviewed for all delegated Chemical Processing Staff Engineers with data from audits closed between October 1, 2011 and January 31, 2012.

Mike Graham Nigel Cook Bill Dumas Bob Lizewski

The data showed that the delegated staff engineers have continued to meet requirements as defined in NOP-003 and the Task Group voted to maintain their delegation status.

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The delegation spreadsheets of non-delegated Staff Engineers were also reviewed:

Sarah Jordan Will Calvert

Sarah Jordan has now been reviewing audits for more than 12 months and has met delegation requirements. The Task Group agreed to grant delegation for Sarah Jordan.

ACTION ITEM: Nigel Cook to arrange completion of s-frm-99 for Sarah Jordan. (DUE DATE: 15-Mar-12).

Will Calvert has now been reviewing audits for 11 months and has continued to meet requirements. Task Group has authorized the chairperson to grant delegation on 1st April provided Will continues to meet concurrence requirements.

ACTION ITEM: Nigel Cook to arrange completion of s-frm-99 for Will Calvert. (DUE DATE: 05-Apr-12).

3.0 NUCAP – CLOSED

Audit 145807 NCR #6: The Task Group reviewed the presentation on their programmed line and agreed that their electronic system did not meet the checklist for defining inspection requirements. The checklist requires the shop papers, whether electronic or paper, to define a step for the processing and a separate step for the inspection requirements. The inspection step needs to define all lot inspections required.

Deviation 000038: The original proposal for visual inspector eyesight requirements was amended and the Task Group agreed to include the revised wording in the next revision of AC7108/2.

ACTION ITEM: Nigel Cook to include the proposed amendment, related to deviation 000038, in the AC7108/2 draft and also to advise John Barrett of the status of the NUCAP Scope Exception. (DUE DATE: 20-Jun-12).

4.0 ETCH AND ANODIZE PROFICIENCY EVALUATION – CLOSED

Anodize – Review of the questions and answers have suggested that: Question 28 is a negative question and should be amended. Questions 38, 52 & 53 showed a high number of negative answers and may provide topics for

general training.

ACTION ITEM: The Anodize Sub-Team (Bob Koukol, Craig Bowden, Mike Graham) to review and amend exam questions (e.g. 28, 38, 52, 53) as required to ensure they are clear and do not contain any negative questions. (DUE DATE: 20-Jun-12)

Etch – Review of the etch answers also showed some questions had a high number of negative answers and may provide topics for general training.

ACTION ITEM: The Etch Sub-Team (Karyn Deming, Bob Lizewski, Robert Nixon, Jim Chan, Gregg Haataja, to review and amend exam questions as required to ensure they are clear and do not contain any negative questions. (DUE DATE: 20-Jun-12).

ACTION ITEM: Mike Graham to arrange for the remaining auditors to take the Anodize and Etch proficiency exams. (DUE DATE: 20-Jun-12)

Three Sub-teams were created to develop exams for the priority technologies. (The exams are to have a minimum of 40 questions)

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ACTION ITEM: Team 1 – to create 40 question exam addressing conversion coating (chromate, phosphate, black oxide, etc.): Zia Usmani (Lead), John Koenig, Jim Chan, Will Calvert (DUE DATE: 20-Jun-12)

ACTION ITEM: Team 2 – to create 40 question exam addressing electro and electroless plating: Mike Coleman (Lead), Hal Abel, Pat Mihalik, Will Calvert (DUE DATE: 20-Jun-12)

ACTION ITEM: Team 3 – to create 40 question exam addressing painting, dry film lubricant & Sol Gel: Bob Cashman (Lead), Steve Starr, Mike Stolze, Veronique Marcel. (DUE DATE: 20-Jun-12)

It was agreed that the exams will be used for initial auditor hiring. These exams should be given after the auditor interview and used to develop training requirements.

5.0 AUDITOR OVERSIGHT – CLOSED

Team 1: Data Review: Will Calvert presented the updated set of auditor data for review and also the NMC standard data. It was suggested that data on number of audit failures vs. auditor is also reviewed. Questions were asked as to whether the additional data analysis identified different auditors to the basic NCRs Per Audit Data. Also could the data be trended to identify changes.

ACTION ITEM: Will Calvert to review an updated presentation on Auditor Consistency Data at the next meeting. (DUE DATE: 20-Jun-12)

Team 2: Desk Top Review: No report

Team 3: On Sight Observation: Mike Graham presented his proposed schedule of oversight audits and some amendments were made. The training proforma for observers was also reviewed and agreed

ACTION ITEM: Mike Graham to email individual schedule & training proforma to all observers. (DUE DATE: 09-Mar-12)

6.0 OCTOBER 2012 AUDITOR CONFERENCE – CLOSED

The following topics and sub-teams were established for the October Auditor Conference:Technologies:

Zinc Nickel Plate (Hal Abel (lead), Jim Chan, Serge Labbe, Ni Luu, Jim Cummings, Kevin Kudelka,Will Calvert)

Dry Film Lube process, controls, and testing (Karyn Deming (lead), Mike Stolze, Jim O’Shea, Mike Noettl, Yohands Rey Vasquez ,Will Calvert)

Testing Methods and Equipment: Hydrogen Embrittlement (Mike Coleman, Serge Labbe, Shawn Vierthaler, Dave

Serbousek, Will Calvert) Process controls for titanium/Titanium Acid Etching (hydrogen pick-up, IGA, EGP)

(Jerry Satchwell(Lead), Karyn Deming, Zia Usmani, Jonathan Hebben, Will Calvert) Adhesion Testing for metallic coatings (Nick Magnapera (Lead), Zia Usmani, MyLoc Le,

Keven Kudelka, Will Calvert )

Topics: Pyrometry New Revision of AMS 2750 (Jack Holman, Sarah Jordan, Robert Faticanti ) NCR Writing (Jerry Satchwell, Nigel Cook) Tricks of the trade - Auditor Techniques - make operators feel at ease (Debbie Vogel

(lead), William Ferris, Vitorio Stana, an Auditor (TBD), Will Calvert) Auditor oversight program (Mike Stolze (Lead), Mike Graham, Mike Coleman)

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Chem Mill Practical TrainingIn the Pittsburgh Meeting, the Task Group voted to remove the restriction by either having the restricted auditors attend one Chem Mill audit with an unrestricted auditor or by classroom training. The 5 Auditors that have a restriction from doing Chemical Mill audits will be trained at a Pittsburgh area plating shop that does Chemical Milling (Jim Ringer, Will Calvert)

ACTION ITEM: Sub-teams to draft Auditor Conference presentations for review at the June 2012 Meeting. (DUE DATE: 20-Jun-12)

7.0 RESOLUTION BY TASK GROUP ISSUES – CLOSED

Audit #139265: Task Group agreed to the additional 3 month extension.

Audit 142821: Supplier is appealing against 12 months merit, believe they are entitled to 18 months merit. Task Group agreed that the non-sustaining corrective action was not really a non-sustaining corrective action and agreed to 18 months merit.

Audit #143143 NCR #2: Supplier is doing receipt inspection, pre-clean and rack as a single buy-off step, however, AC7108 Rev E identifies receipt inspection as a separate buy-off to pre-clean and racking. Supplier has goods receipt form which is not part of the traveler but this is stamped on completion of goods receipt. Suggest Audit Handbook clarification that goods receipt is acceptable as receipt inspection. The Task Group agreed that the Audit Handbook should be amended to include clarification of what constitutes receipt inspection.

ACTION ITEM: Nigel Cook to include proposed wording regarding receipt inspection buyoff in the next revision of the Audit Handbook. It is to include the need for this document to have traceability to the traveler. (DUE DATE: 20-Jun-12)

Audit #141583: Issue was raised regarding recommendations/requirements in Technical Data Sheets Task Group agreed to take this item to the open meeting.

ACTION ITEM: A Subteam was appointed to evaluate recommendations/requirements in Technical Data Sheets and whether the Chemical Supplier could identify items as recommendations even though they weren’t identified in the original Technical Data Sheet. (Mike Stolze (lead), Nick Magnapera, Hal Abel Pat Mihalik, Tom Moreland, Roger Sellers, Yohands Rey Vasquez, Sarah Jordan) (DUE DATE: 20-Jun-12)

Audit #138024:They are installing a water immersion test cabinet and want to know if they can start using this cabinet to support testing for passivation. The Task Group agreed that the supplier needs to contact their customers and act accordingly.

Audit #139265: Supplier Requested 3 month extension as there was a problem coordinating an Auditor to the audit. The Task Group voted in favor of giving a 3 month extension.

8.0 OPENING COMMENTS – OPEN

The Chemical Processing Task Group (CP) was called to order at 9:15 am.

Quorum was established

Reviewed Agenda

8.1 INTRODUCTORY PRESENTATIONS:

The following presentations were reviewed: Open vs. Closed Meetings, Chemical Process Vision & Code of Conduct, Conflict of Interest and Export Control Presentations.

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8.2 APPROVAL OF OCTOBER 2011 MEETING MINUTES

The October 2011 meeting minutes were approved without change.

8.3 REVIEW OF RAIL

Will Calvert reviewed and amended the RAIL.

9.0 COMPLIANCE WITH VOTING REQUIREMENTS – OPEN

Applications:Lee Bruce Robert Stuart Ltd SVM Jun 2011, Oct 2011Ian McDonald Robert Stuart Ltd ALT/SVM Jun 2011, Oct 2011Ken Pham Lisi Aerospace SVM Oct 2010, Oct 2011Warren De Cuir Lisi Aerospace ALT/SVM Oct 2010, Oct 2011Tammi Schubert LMI Finishing SVM Feb 2009, Oct 2011Jerker Nordh Volvo Aero SVM Jun 2011, Oct 2011Julie Mahan Unison Engine Components SVM Oct 2010, Oct 2011Sarah Fuqua Kearfott Corporation SVM Oct 2010, Oct 2011Steve Starr Honeywell (replace B Koukol) UVM Oct 2011, Jan 2005Steve Payne Praxair SVM Jan 2005, Oct 2011Greg Penny Embee SVM Oct 2011, Feb 2012

Changes:Jim Denton B-D Industries ALT/SVM to SVMBob Denton B-D Industries SVM to ALT/SVM

Loss of Voting Status:Hixson Metal Finishing – Debbie SykesE.M.E. – John Lopez

The new subscriber voting members were approved.

ACTION ITEM: Nigel Cook to obtain m-frm-01 for each of the UVMs and forward to the Chemical Process CSR. (DUE DATE: 09-Mar-12)

Due to the number of Supplier Voting Member applications approaching the limit in NOP-001 it was not possible to approve any additional members at this time.

The CP-SAT team was asked to review this situation at their meeting on Wednesday evening and advise the Task Group on how they wanted to proceed. See item 28 – Report Outs.

10.0 FRENCH TRANSLATIONS OF CHECKLISTS – OPEN

AC7108 Rev E - April 2012AC7108 Rev F - June 2012AC7108/1 Rev B - March 2012AC7108/2 Rev B - Completed and postedAC7108/3 - Not being translated, not sufficient demand.AC7108/4 - Not being translated, not sufficient demand.AC7108/5 - Not being translated, not sufficient demand.AC7108/6 - Not being translated, not sufficient demand.AC7108/7 - Not being translated, not sufficient demand.Audit Handbook - May 2012

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11.0 NMC METRICS & AUDITOR CAPACITY – OPEN

The NMC metrics were reviewed. The Task Group was advised that on a go forward basis the auditor capacity of 130% would need to be achieved for each sector. Goals for two additional US auditors, one additional Asian auditor, and one additional European auditor have been identified.

12.0 NEW AUDIT SCOPE

The new scope is being phased in because it requires a checklist revision in order to apply the new scope. The scope of AC7108 and AC7108/1 has been implemented and the others will follow suit as the checklist is revised.

13.0 SUPPLIER FEEDBACK AND NCR VOIDING

Guidance on how to request a NCR to be voided has been added to the Audit Handbook review.

14.0 CHEMICAL PROCESS AUDIT HANDBOOK APPROVAL

Changes have been made to the draft Handbook that was posted on eAuditNet based on feedback from Bob Koukol and Steve Crest. The Handbook was reviewed and approved.

ACTION ITEM: Nigel Cook to issue the approved Audit Handbook (DUE DATE: 09-Mar-12)

15.0 IMPLEMENTATION OF NEW CHECKLISTS - OPEN

Mike Coleman gave a presentation on the implementation of a new revision of Audit Criteria. The present system allows a supplier to request the new revision be used when that revision is available during the 90 day transition period. The proposal is to be amended to allow the request of use of the new Audit Criteria revision as soon as it is made available in electronic format on eAuditNet and included in NTGOP-001 App VIII. It was voted to move forward to the NMC Standardization Committee.

ACTION ITEM: Mike Coleman to amend proposal and submit to Mike Graham for inclusion in the next revision of NTGOP-001 App VIII (DUE DATE: 20-Jun-12)

16.0 COMMENT RESOLUTION AC7108 REV F – OPEN

The comments on the AC7108 Ref F ballot were resolved. There were no technical changes as a result of resolution of the ballot comments.

ACTION ITEM: Nigel Cook to make amendments to the checklist and submit for NMC ballot. (DUE DATE: 16-Mar-12)

17.0 COMMENT RESOLUTION AC7108/5 – OPEN

The comments on the AC7108/5 Rev A ballot were resolved. There were no technical changes as a result of resolution of the ballot comments.

ACTION ITEM: Nigel Cook to make amendments to the checklist and submit for NMC ballot. (DUE DATE: 23-Mar-12)

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18.0 AC7108/1 OVERLAP – OPEN

Karyn Deming gave a presentation on the overlap between AC7108/1 and AC7109. Further action on this item was not required since the AC7108/1 title, Application of Paint and Dry Film Lubricant was clear. The team was asked to consider the inclusion of questions for application of paint by the dry powder method. The Task Group voted to continue the investigation of “Other” in the paint scope and to review the checklist for powder applied paints.

ACTION ITEM: Sub-team to review AC7108/1 and identify additional questions for paint application by dry powder (DUE DATE: 20-Jun-12)

19.0 SPECIFICATIONS IN AUDIT SCOPE – OPEN

Proposal 1 was agreed but needs to be amended to include a maximum time limit before the process/specification must be removed from the supplier’s scope. Proposal 1 allowed suppliers to keep a process/specification in their scope if they had an internal procedure for it, have evidence that lot testing met requirements and have evidence that periodic testing met requirements.

ACTION ITEM: Nigel Cook to include requirements for maintaining specifications within the next revision of the Audit Handbook. (DUE DATE: 20-Jun-12)

Proposal 2 was that the supplier shall have a procedure to address the shutdown and restarting of the process.

Proposal 2 was agreed and a sub-team of John Koenig (lead), Bill Heeter, Ian MacDonald, William Ferris, Jim Ringer, Roger Sellers, Tom Moreland, John Hebben and Jim Cummings, Nigel Cook appointed. Proposal 2 was to identify actual requirements to be included in AC7108.

ACTION ITEM: Sub-team (John Koenig (lead), Bill Heeter, Ian MacDonald, William Ferris, Jim Ringer, Roger Sellers, Tom Moreland, John Hebben and Jim Cummings, Nigel Cook) to identify required questions for inclusion in AC7108 regarding requirements for maintaining specifications that are not presently carried out within the audit scope (DUE DATE: 20-Jun-12)

20.0 AUTOMATIC PAINT MIXING – OPEN

Karyn Deming gave a presentation on automatic paint mixing. The presentation considered two types of automatic paint mixing, one where the paint components are automatically metered and mixed in a paint pot and the other where the paint components are automatically metered and mixed in the spray gun nozzle. The proposal was accepted and the team, with addition of Ni Luu and Mike Stolze, are to make the required checklist changes to AC7108/1

ACTION ITEM: Sub-team, Karyn Deming (lead),including Ni Luu and Mike Stolze, to amend AC7108/1 to include sections for manual paint mixing, automatic mixing into a paint pot and automatic mixing at the spray nozzle (DUE DATE: 20-Jun-12)

21.0 SUPPLIER NOTIFICATION OF AUDITOR ADVISORY – OPEN

Will Calvert gave a presentation on Auditor Advisories including an amendment to the a-frm-20 to ensure relevant advisories are made available to suppliers and also a change in the structure of eAuditNet public documents. The Task Group agreed with the proposal but felt that calling them Supplier Alerts was not appropriate and preferred the name of Checklist, or Audit Criteria, Clarification Advisory.

ACTION ITEM: Will Calvert to move forward with implementation of standardized system related to supplier notification of auditor advisory. (DUE DATE: 20-Jun-12)

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22.0 NOP-011 MODE B FAILURE CRITERIA ANNUAL REVIEW – OPEN

The Task Group reviewed present audit failure criteria and the 95% and 98% failure criteria for 2011 audit data. The Task Group agreed that due to the significant checklist changes from AC7108 Rev D to Rev E that it would be better to retain the present failure criteria to determine if the implementation of NOP-002 requirements had a significant effect on the number of NCRs and audit failure.

Recommend future reviews include a population curve for number of NCRs.

ACTION ITEM: Mike Graham to indicate in NOP-011 that the present failure criteria are being maintained for another year. (DUE DATE: 31-Mar-12)

ACTION ITEM: Nigel Cook to ensure future NOP-011 reviews include a population curve. (DUE DATE: 20-Feb-13)

23.0 CHECKLIST STRATEGIC PLAN – OPEN

Jerry Satchwell gave a presentation on his plan for checklist re-organization and the methodology to be used for achieving it. The Task Group agreed the proposal which included the following stages:

Review of the remaining checklist slash sheets for compliance to NOP-002. Re-organization of checklists to create a base checklist and technology slash sheets. Review of technology slash sheets to remove unwanted questions from AC7108 and inclusion

of required present slash sheet questions.

A sub-team of Mike Stolze (lead), Jim Chan, Zia Usmani, Debbie Sykes, John Hebben, Gary Pickett and Myloc Le, Nigel Cook was appointed to review the process grouping for a technology slash sheets.

ACTION ITEM: Sub-team, Mike Stolze (lead), to review special process grouping for future checklist slash sheets and report out in the June meeting (DUE DATE: 20-Jun-12)

A sub-team of Jerry Satchwell (lead) Debbie Sykes, Dave Michaud, Tammi Schubert, (Dave Michaud) and Mike Noettl are to review the example Anodize checklist to determine the correctness of the included questions and report out in the June meeting.

ACTION ITEM: Sub-team, Jerry Satchwell (lead), to review example Anodize checklist and report out in the June meeting (DUE DATE: 20-Jun-12)

The following sub-teams were appointed to review the present slash sheets for compliance to NOP-002 requirements.

AC7108/2 – No team appointed, waiting on the decision of the CP/NDT Sub-team. AC7108/3 – Karyn Deming (lead), (Vitorio Stana), Debbie Sykes, Dave Michaud, Tony

Valencia, Shawn Vierthaler AC7108/4 – Dave Serbousek (lead) Veronique Marcel, Chona Santos, Pat Mahalik AC7108/6 – Jim O’Shea (lead), Jerker Nordh, Steve Starr.

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ACTION ITEM: Sub-teams to review AC7108/3 Karyn Deming (lead), AC7108/4 Dave Serbousek (lead) AC7108/6 Jim O’Shea (lead), and Nigel Cook and ballot as required prior to the June meeting (DUE DATE: 20-Jun-12)

The NOP-002 requirements are:

The Nadcap audit criteria shall not create additional requirements or mandate specific method of compliance. Audit Criteria shall be developed in a cost effective approach in accordance with the following: The establishment of audit criteria that is based upon industry standards, where not

ambiguous, and includes requirements common among Subscribers where the specifics of meeting that requirement may vary.

The program shall include provisions for auditing of Subscriber unique/specific requirements. Quality system questions shall be utilized to test for compliance and not for existence of quality

system elements, except for audit criteria which are designed to assess quality system existence, adequacy and compliance.

Job audits shall be used to demonstrate compliance to audit criteria, customer requirements, and internal Supplier procedures.

The Nadcap accreditation program shall promote continual improvement philosophies through non-prescriptive means for compliance and address recurring industry issues and quality improvements through the relevant standards making bodies.

24.0 CP AUDITOR INTERVIEW QUESTIONS/EXAM – OPEN

The auditor interview questions were reviewed and approved by the Task Group. The Task Group also asked if additional questions could be added to test each of the questions asked by the a-frm-27.

ACTION ITEM: Nigel Cook to issue new auditor interview questions to Jennifer Eckels. (DUE DATE: 31-Mar-12)

ACTION ITEM: Nigel Cook, Jim Cummings & John Koenig to review interview questions and add questions as required addressing the questions in the a-frm-27. (DUE DATE: 20-Jun-12)

25.0 NDT AC7108/2 PROPOSAL – OPEN

Discussions with the NDT Task Group are ongoing. The NDT Task Group have concerns regarding the structure of the checklist and the number of compliance job audits. Bob Koukol presented three options to the Task Group and asked for a show of hands for their preference on the way forward.

Amend checklist to improve clarity, establish standing team, amend MoU. – 24 hands Separate Nital/Temper etch and allow NDT to audit, amend MoU. – 3 Hands Pass all etch to NDT, cancel MoU. – 1 Hand

Some suppliers commented that the present system of separate audits caused additional work due to having to schedule separate audits

ACTION ITEM: Sub-team (Karyn Deming, lead) to continue working with NDT Task Group on 7108/2 Proposal and report out at the next meeting. (DUE DATE: 20-Feb-12)

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26.0 COMMENT RESOLUTION NTGOP-001 APPENDIX VIII AND AC7108/7 – OPEN

The comments on the NTGOP-001 App VIII ballot were resolved. There were no technical changes as a result of resolution of the ballot comments. AC7108/7 will be reviewed on WebEx as time was limited.

ACTION ITEM: Mike Graham to arrange for AC7108/7 comment resolution and make amendments to NTGOP-001 App VIII and submit for NMC ballot. (DUE DATE: 15-Apr-12)

27.0 CLARIFY JOB AUDIT REQUIREMENTS IN NTGOP001APP VIII – OPEN

NTGOP-001 Appendix VIII presently defines the minimum number of job audits for modified scope audits but there is no definition for full scope audits. Also a delegated staff engineer is authorized to allow a fewer number of job audits than that defined but there is no guidance for this decision.

The job tracker approved at the October Task Group meeting provides the following guidance:

At least one job audit shall be done for each Technology, see AC7108 section 2.4.

Proposal:

A minimum of four job audits shall be carried out for full scope and modified scope audits. For full scope audits at least one job audit shall be done for each Technology, see AC7108

section 2.4, in the scope of the audit. For modified scope audits at least two job audits shall be done for each scheduled audit day. Where a supplier has multiple processes within a technology, and time allows, additional job

audits shall be done and their selection based on the sampling requirements defined in the job tracker.

Fewer job audits than the minimums defined above may be carried out with the permission of a delegated staff engineer given that all processes and processing specifications have been covered.

Notes: o A process defines capability and is identified one level above the specification in the

audit scope document. o A single specification, e.g. MIL-A-8625, may cover several processes.

One day audits to AC7108/2 require a minimum of one job audit.

ACTION ITEM: Mike Graham to include the above amended proposal in the next revision of NTGOP-001 App VIII. (DUE DATE: 20-Jun-12)

28.0 REPORT OUTS: NMC (MICHAUD), SSC (JACKLIN), P&O/CLOSED, STEERING (LEWIS), CP-SAT (CUMMINGS)

The above report outs were given and it was commented on how much the Task Group had achieved in 2011.

The CP-SAT meeting came back to the Task Group with some proposals regarding Observation NCRs and the restriction on the number of Supplier Voting Members.

With regard to Observation NCRs there were two proposals: To include requirements in the Guidelines For Reviewing Audit Packages and train audit report

reviewers on it, and To amend eAuditNet to have Observation as a category that will either have to be upgraded or

voided.

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With regard to the number of Supplier Voting Members the CP-SAT proposed: Request the Task Group apply for a deviation to allow it to continue its present practice for

approval and removal of supplier voting members. Request NOP-001 to be amended to remove the Supplier Voting Member percentage

restriction and rely on the voting member eligibility criteria in NTGOP-001 to maintain the voting member base. (Note: A subscribers only vote can always be performed if required)

The supplier’s in the Chemical Process Task Group are very active and positive to the mission of the Task Group. The Task Group agreed with their proposals.

ACTION ITEM: Nigel Cook to amend the Audit Review Guidelines related to Observations NCRs and distribute to all the CP Audit Report Reviewers. (DUE DATE: 30-Mar-12)

ACTION ITEM: Nigel Cook to evaluate NOP-001 to address changes necessary regarding limits on Suppler Voting membership percentage. (DUE DATE: 30-Mar-12)

29.0 APPROVAL OF NEW SE AUDITORS

This subject is to be addressed via Ballot following this meeting.

ACTION ITEM: Will Calvert to issue Ballot to waive interview, exam, and two day On-Site training requirements for Staff Engineers Will Calvert and Bob Lizewski to all Voting Members. (DUE DATE: 09-Mar-12)

30.0 PRIME AUDITS OF NADCAP SUPPLIERS

Due to the need to complete some items in Other Business this items was not reviewed and is to be added to the agenda for June 2012.

ACTION ITEM: Nigel Cook to add “PRIME AUDITS OF NADCAP SUPPLIERS” to agenda for June 2012. (DUE DATE: 30-Mar-12)

31.0 OTHER BUSINESS – OPEN

Proposed Change to AC7108 section 5.4 and AC7108/2 section 4.14: Mike Brandt (Alcoa) gave a presentation to the Task Group on the cost implications of complying to the pyrometry sections of the checklist where temperatures of 350°F are used to dry the internal structure of cast high temperature alloys. These temperatures do not have any effect on the properties of high temperature alloys in any condition or low temperature alloys when not in the final heat treatment condition. The Task Group accepted the issue was valid but the proposed wording was not considered acceptable. Alternative wording was proposed by the staff engineer, see below, but it was felt that a sub-team be appointed to determine the required wording. A sub-team of Susan Lewis (lead), Karyn Deming, Mike Brandt, Gary Pickett, Jim Ringer and Nigel Cook was appointed.

5.4 Certified Ovens for Thermal Treatments at a set point above 250ºF (121ºC) where the thermal processing is required by the specification or where the material being processed can be affected by temperatures below 300ºF (149ºC) Compliance Assessment Guidance: NA applies if processing does not require thermal

treatments above 250°F (121°C). The only pyrometry requirements to be verified are those required to answer the following

questions.

5.5 Miscellaneous Equipment for Thermal Treatments at or below 250ºF (121ºC) Not Covered by Section 5.4. Compliance Assessment Guidance: NA applies if no miscellaneous thermal treatments at or

below 250°F (121°C) are performed within the scope of the audit or if these treatments are performed in a certified oven.

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Equipment that is not fully enclosed but provides this type of thermal treatment shall be considered as an oven for the purpose of the audit.

5.5.1 Are temperature controllers on miscellaneous thermal treatment equipment calibrated? Compliance Assessment Guidance: NA applies if the thermal treatment equipment is

engineered to provide the required temperature without the use of a temperature controller.

5.5.2 Do procedures require and records show a periodic check is performed to ensure the minimum (if specified) and maximum temperatures within the working zone meet requirements? Compliance Assessment Guidance: For certain equipment (e.g. spin dryers, conveyor ovens)

and a periodic temperature survey is not feasible and periodic testing of parts on removal from the dryer equipment is acceptable to prove the temperature does not exceed requirements.

If there is no minimum temperature requirement and the drying space is fed by heated air then a periodic check of the input air temperature is acceptable

ACTION ITEM: Nigel Cook to include proposed amendment on pyrometry requirements in AC7108 and AC7108/2. (DUE DATE: 20-Jun-12)

AMS Terminology: Bob Koukol gave a presentation on AMS terminology and the notes section of the AMS specifications. Problems have been encountered where auditors have raised NCRs against items in the notes section.

ACTION ITEM: Will Calvert to issue auditor advisory to clarify the interpretation of the notes section and the term “should” when used in AMS specifications. (DUE DATE: 30-Apr-12)

Meeting Agenda Format: The new meeting agenda format was shown to the Task Group.

32.0 DEVELOP JUNE 2012 AGENDA

4 Days, 3 Open & 1 Closed.Outstanding action items.

ADJOURNMENT – 24-Feb-12 – Meeting was adjourned at 3:00 P.M.

Minutes Prepared by: William Calvert [email protected] & Nigel Cook [email protected]

PROCESS EXPERT LIST: Electroplating: Serge Labbe, Roger Sellers, Hal Abel Anodize: Robert Nixon, Roger Sellers Conversion Coating: Robert Nixon, Roger Sellers, Hal Abel Etch: Jerry Satchwell Chemical Milling: Karen Deming Paint/Dry Film: Veronique Marcel Electroless Plating: Jim Chan Titanium Processing: Ramalingam Muralikrishnan Brush Plating: Bob Koukol Surface Prep for Metal Bond: Michael Stolze, Aleck Featherston Electropolish: Jim Chan Passivation: Bob Koukol

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***** For PRI Staff use only: ******

Are procedural/form changes required based on changes/actions approved during this meeting? (select one)

YES* NO

*If yes, the following information is required:

Documents requiring revision:

Who is responsible: Due date:

Make amendments to the Checklists(AC7108 Rev F & AC7108/5

Nigel Cook 16-Mar-12

Amend the Audit Review Guidelines related to Observations NCRs


Issue new auditor interview questions


Issue auditor advisory to clarify the interpretation of the notes section and the term “should” when used in AMS specifications

William Calvert 30-Apr-12

Include proposed amendment in AC7108/2

Nigel Cook 20-Jun-12

Include proposed wording in next Rev. Audit Handbook


Change procedure to allow the Suppliers to view some of the Auditor Advisories

William Calvert 20-Jun-12

Include amended proposal and submit for inclusion in the next revision of NTGOP-001 App VIII

Michael Graham 20-Jun-12

AC7108/7 comment resolution to be included in NTGOP-001 App VIII.

Michael Graham 20-Jun-12

Include proposed amendment on pyrometry requirements in AC7108


Requirements for maintaining specifications to be added to next Audit Handbook revision


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