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NATIONAL CAPITAL PLANNING COMMISSION
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COMMISSION MEETING
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OPEN SESSION
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THURSDAY,OCTOBER 3, 2019
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The meeting convened in Room 5115, Suite500, 401 9th Street, NW, Washington, D.C. 20004,at 1:00 p.m., Thomas Gallas, Vice Chairman,presiding.
NATIONAL CAPITAL PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS PRESENT:
LINDA ARGO, Mayoral AppointeeEVAN CASH, Office of the Chairman of the Council
of the District of Columbia ARRINGTON DIXON, Mayoral AppointeeTHOMAS GALLAS, Presidential AppointeeWENDY GINSBURG, U.S. House of RepresentativesPETER MAY, Department of the InteriorPAUL MCMAHON, Department of DefenseDANIEL SPINO, U.S. Senate Committee on Homeland
Security and Governmental AffairsANDREW TRUEBLOOD, Office of the Mayor of
the District of Columbia
MINA WRIGHT, General Services Administration
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NCPC STAFF PRESENT:
MARCEL C. ACOSTA, Executive Director
MATTHEW FLIS, Senior Urban Designer
CARLTON HART, Urban Planner
JULIA KOSTER, Secretary to the Commission
VIVIAN LEE, Urban Planner
SARAH RIDGELY, Senior Urban Planner
ANNE SCHUYLER, General Counsel
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C-O-N-T-E-N-T-S
Elect Commissioner to Run the Open Session . . . . 4
Report of the Vice ChairmanThomas Gallas . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7
Report of the Executive DirectorMarcel Acosta . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8
Legislative UpdateAnne Schuyler . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .11
Consent Calendar Items - No Presentation . . . . .12
Action Items - With Presentation
National World War I Memorial. . . . . . . . . . .24
Korean War Veterans Memorial Wall
of Remembrance . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .58
Information Presentations
Amendment to the 1974 Pennsylvania Avenue
Plan and Guidelines for Square 491 . . . . . . . .95
Arlington National Cemetery
Souther Expansion. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 121
Adjourn. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 148
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P-R-O-C-E-E-D-I-N-G-S
1:02 p.m.
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Good afternoon and
welcome to the National Capital Planning
Commission's October 3rd, 2019 public meeting.
Would you all please rise and join me
in the Pledge of Allegiance?
(Pledge of Allegiance)
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: For all in
attendance today's meeting is live-streamed and
will be available as a video. Noting the
presence of a quorum, I would like to call this
meeting to order and I'd especially like to
welcome Paul McMahon as the DoD representative
today for this Commission meeting.
Welcome, Paul.
ELECT COMMISSIONER TO RUN THE OPEN SESSION
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Before we proceed
with the agenda there is one procedural matter we
must undertake. We're getting good at this, I
think.
(Laughter.)
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VICE CHAIR GALLAS: In the absence of
the Chair the bylaws require the Commission to
elect one of its members to perform the function
of the Chairman at the start of each meeting with
the understanding that the Vice Chairman is the
likely person to be elected to run the meeting.
So the Commission must nominate and vote on who
should run the October open session. Is there a
motion?
MEMBER DIXON: So moved.
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Is there a second?
MEMBER ARGO: Second.
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Second? All in
favor of electing Mr. Gallas as the Commission's
Vice Chairman to run today's meeting, please
signify by saying aye?
(Chorus of aye.)
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Any opposed?
(No audible response.)
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: All right. Well,
thank you very much, my fellow Commissioners, for
electing me to run this meeting.
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(Laughter.)
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Pleasure.
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REPORT OF THE VICE CHAIRMAN
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Okay. Agenda Item
2 is the report of the Vice Chairman.
So a couple of things, I think. On
September 21st it was my honor to represent the
Commission at the ceremonial groundbreaking of
the National Native American Veterans Memorial.
It was a spiritually moving ceremony to celebrate
the future memorial of Native American veterans
and we look forward to the final review and
approval of the memorial design very soon.
Second, NCPC, in partnership with the
American Society of Landscape Architects, hosted
an important public symposium on security and the
public realm on September 24th, and that was
followed with -- the next day with a half-day
workshop dealing with that as well.
I was pleased to kick off both these
events and thought this was an exceptionally
important dialog between security, design and
planning professionals, as well as many local
stakeholders that manage and program the capital
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city's public spaces and events. Throughout the
discussions the focus was on how to balance the
need for inviting spaces that also provide an
acceptable level of security for users in those
spaces.
I want to offer special thanks to the
staff for creating and engaging a well-organized
event on such an important topic, and I also want
to thank Commissioners May and Wright for
participating in this important dialog.
Another note: At last month's meeting
the Commission deferred action on a proposal for
the Naval Support Facility at Suitland. NCPC and
the applicant's staff continue to work on this
proposal and it will likely be considered at the
November meeting.
And finally, I'm happy to say that
today, October 3rd, is my mother's 93rd birthday.
(Laughter.)
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: And so, I'll send
good thoughts to Mom. Thank you very much.
REPORT OF THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR
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Okay. Moving onto Agenda Item 3.
It's the report of the Executive Director.
Mr. Acosta?
DIRECTOR ACOSTA: Thank you, Mr.
Chairman, and happy birthday to your mother.
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Thank you.
DIRECTOR ACOSTA: So NCPC will host an
open house on Monday, October 7th from 6:00 to
7:30 p.m. to give the public an opportunity to
learn more about the proposed updates to the
transportation elements of the Comprehensive
Plan. These also include policies addressing
parking at federal facilities, visitor
destinations and a more detailed discussed of
emerging trends and new technologies. Attendees
can learn more about the update, ask questions
and provide written comments at the open house.
And we are accepting comments through November
12th of this year.
I'd also like to echo your comments
regarding the September 24th Security and Access
to Public Space event. I'd like to thank the
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1 staff led by Surina Singh who did an outstanding
2 job preparing for the public event and agency's
3 symposium.
4 So thank you very much.
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MS. SINGH: Thank you.
DIRECTOR ACOSTA: So that concludes my
presentation. You have a written report before
you, too.
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Ms. Singh, the
only thing you didn't have on the agenda was the
fire alarm that we had to deal with --
(Laughter.)
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: -- but we handled
it with aplomb. I was really impressed with the
way it all was handled. We really didn't miss a
beat. So it was really a tremendous day. Thank
you.
LEGISLATIVE UPDATE
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Agenda Item 4 is
a legislative update from Ms. Schuyler.
MS. SCHUYLER: Well, first and most
importantly a very happy birthday to your mom --
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Thank you.
MS. SCHUYLER: -- and I wish her many
more.
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Thank you.
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MS. SCHUYLER: On the legislative
front I have nothing to report.
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Okay. Thank you.
CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS - NO PRESENTATION
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Okay. Then moving
along to Agenda Item 5 is the consent calendar.
There are three consent calendar items on this
month's agenda.
The first item is for exterior
improvements to the National Gallery of Art East
Building submitted by the National Gallery of
Art.
The second item is for the Joint Base
Andrews firing range facility expansion submitted
by the Department of the Navy.
And the last item is for a change in
cladding at the St. Elizabeths West Campus
Interstate 295 facing wall submitted by the
General Services Administration.
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VICE CHAIR GALLAS: I don't know if --
Mr. May, you have anything you'd like to comment
on this before we move for a motion.
MEMBER MAY: Of course. Thank you
very much. I appreciate the opportunity.
So first of all let me just say I'm
not going to vote against the consent calendar or
any particular item on this.
I do want to say about the project
involving the change in cladding of St.
Elizabeths on the 295 facing wall, which is the
most public face of that wall, unfortunately the
die is already cast on this. I mean, we already
approved using form liner instead of real stone
on other portions of the retaining wall through
Shepherd Parkway, which is much more important to
me in my role representing the Department of the
Interior and the National Park Service because
that was within Shepherd Parkway. I don't think
that's a change we ever should have made and I
think in this circumstance I'm not particularly
in favor of doing it here either, but I
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understand that there's a consistency issue at
this point.
I would also say that I appreciate the
staff's attention to the details on this and
they're noting that the -- that we've been
working with the GSA and DDOT in particular on
the staining and the finish of that form liner to
make it as stone-like as possible. In close
proximity to there we have probably the worst
example of form liner you can see with the 11th
Street Bridge project, another change that never
should have been made and was made without our
knowledge and without the SHPO's knowledge, and
it was a real problem.
But this is better, what we're seeing.
The dyeing and the staining and the finishing is
better and hopefully we'll get to something that
we can all agree on and it will not be as bad. I
still wish it were stone, but not as bad.
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: All right. Well,
thank you for your comments.
MEMBER WRIGHT: You know I can't let
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that sit there.
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Okay.
Commissioner Wright?
MEMBER WRIGHT: So glad you decided to
bring this up because I feel very strongly about
it, that a $12 million delta in expense was not a
judicious choice for the access wall -- I mean
the access road wall that will be visible by
people generally speaking going 60 miles an hour.
We have -- I'm also dismayed to hear
you say that the -- that formstone can't ever do
the trick. I think you know this: I'm a proud
Baltimorean and we happen to think formstone
rocks.
So I -- we stand by our decision. We
understand that the Park Service is not happy.
Hopefully in the future we will be able to agree
on material selection. And I will leave it at
that.
MEMBER MAY: If I may?
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Of course. I had
a feeling.
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MEMBER MAY: So first of all let me
say we are not totally 100 percent opposed to
formstone. I think I've mentioned before that we
have used formstone selectively in certain areas.
MEMBER WRIGHT: To great effect on the
BW Parkway, for example.
MEMBER MAY: It's fine on the BW
Parkway. It's a very low wall. It's not 20 feet
tall. And so, yes, there are moments when that's
okay.
I will also say that I live in a house
with formstone on it.
MEMBER WRIGHT: You do?
MEMBER MAY: I do. Although I am
going to take it off.
(Laughter.)
MEMBER MAY: It wasn't a particularly
good job.
I will also -- I mean I understand
completely the budgetary limitations and I
understand why GSA made the decision. I still
don't think that it's something that we should
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have supported. There are many very fine-looking
stone walls flanking highways through the
district, flanking bridges, supporting bridges,
and it looks a whole lot better than what we see
at the 11th Street Bridge, which I say is the
worst example in close proximity. And I'm sure
you've seen that. You understand what I'm
talking about that it doesn't look good.
MEMBER WRIGHT: I haven't seen it, or
I haven't looked closely at it, but I will now to
ensure that we don't do the same thing.
MEMBER MAY: Yes, I think that's well
worthwhile.
MEMBER WRIGHT: Okay.
MEMBER MAY: And I would also say that
the people going by it I hope are not going 60
miles an hour because the speed limit is 55.
(Laughter.)
MEMBER DIXON: Mr. Chairman?
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Yes, Commissioner
Dixon?
MEMBER DIXON: I hesitate to speak to
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a consent item like this, but it looks like it's
getting a lot of attention.
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Yes.
MEMBER DIXON: It got a lot of
attention when it first came to us and I shared
some thoughts and feelings then. The folks I
know won't be going by at 50 miles an hour.
They'll be looking at it as they -- it's their
neighborhood. And that's why I spoke to it a long
time ago about trying to the best you could do,
because there are some folks who live with it.
They don't drive by it.
It's odd that both of these
discussions are about facilities -- are things
that are in; I call it ARE, Anacostia River East.
You got a bridge, the 11 Street Bridge with
something that doesn't seem to meet the taste
that we might like, and now we got another wall
coming up that might not. But it's the
functionality I guess that we got to be happy
about, that we got the bridge and that we got a
wall, but it would be nice if we got some of the
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same attention.
I can assure you that if it wasn't in
ARE, Anacostia River East, if it was in Rock
Creek Park, it may be a different discussion, or
in Upper Northwest it may be a different
discussion. And I just want to make the point.
Thank you.
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Okay. I think --
thank you for the comments and I do think that
everyone's really pointing toward making the best
of what could be and we hope will be a good
resolution to this. So thank you for your
comments.
I'd like to ask now if there's a
motion.
MEMBER DIXON: I want to -- I actually
want to make two more comments that are sort of
at the same emotional end.
I, too, I'm mentioned, but I, too,
attended the September 21st groundbreaking for
the Native American, and I think I may be one of
the few Native Americans on this Commission. I
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am. I'm a card-carrying Native American. I got
documents. I'm a card-carrying other things,
too. I got documents.
(Laughter.)
MEMBER DIXON: And also I'm sorry that
I missed the public space discussion because East
of the River in ARE, Anacostia River East, we are
almost ground zero now with Homeland Security,
with Bolling, now Joint Base Anacostia-Bolling.
All those facilities are in our community and it
would be nice to have known how the public space
was going to be handled around us. But anyhow,
next time I'll be a little clearer on when it's
happened and be there, but I'll keep an eye on
it. Thank you.
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Well, the dialog
will continue coming out of that symposium.
There are some amazing national experts on
security and public space. And so that kind of
rich dialog is something that I think NCPC played
a very important role in sort of hosting and
bringing these parties together in a very
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significant way. So --
MEMBER DIXON: Mr. Chair, I would also
say that I've spent a lot of time in ground zero
having served in the military. My last 10 years
as a full colonel was at the Pentagon, so I know
about ground zero, but I will tell you that a hit
in Southeast could do a lot of damage given what
we got over there now.
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Whoa, let's pray
that that doesn't happen.
Okay. Let's come back to the consent
calendar. I'm going to ask for a motion to
approve the consent calendar.
MEMBER WRIGHT: So moved.
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: And is there a
second?
MEMBER DIXON: Second.
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Second? All in
favor of that motion, please signify by saying
aye?
(Chorus of aye.)
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Any opposed?
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(No audible response.)
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Unanimously
carried. Thank you.
By the way, Commissioner Dixon, I
didn't see you there at the groundbreaking. It
was really a wonderful ceremony.
MEMBER DIXON: I had a -- I was
dressed --
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Oh. Yes, that
was --
MEMBER DIXON: Maybe you didn't
recognize me with my attire.
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Okay, brother.
ACTION ITEMS - WITH PRESENTATION
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Okay. Let's move
to the open session. We have -- today we have
two national memorial projects to review and
discuss today.
UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR,
NATIONAL PARK SERVICE, PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE
BETWEEN 14TH AND 15TH STREETS, N.W., WASHINGTON,
D.C. - NATIONAL WORLD WAR I MEMORIAL
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VICE CHAIR GALLAS: So moving to the
first one, it is Agenda Item 6A, approval of
final site development plans for the National
World War I Memorial. And I just want to say
that this is a particularly important topic to
me. My grandfather is a -- was a veteran of
World War I and a wounded veteran. And so very
excited to be a part of this today. Thank you.
Mr. Flis?
MR. FLIS: Thank you, Mr. Vice
Chairman.
Members of the Commission, the
National Park Service in collaboration with the
World War I Centennial Commission has submitted
the final site and memorial plans for the
National World War I Memorial. You'll recall
last February you approved the preliminary plans
with comments to be addressed with this final
review.
The applicant has continued to develop
the project in response to those comments, and
also others in coordination with the Park Service
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and the Commission of Fine Arts.
Congress has designated Pershing Park
as the National World War I Memorial. A two-
stage competition was held to select the memorial
designer, and the winning design called the
Weight of Sacrifice was selected by the World War
I Centennial Commission. Under the Commemorative
Works Act NCPC has an approval responsibility for
the memorial.
So at the Commission retreat you held
last month you learned about the different stages
of review for various projects including
commemorative works. In this case the site was
already selected by Congress, so the Commission
is just looking at the design of the memorial and
the park.
Particularly relevant to this final
review are a couple questions and areas of
interest including whether landscape plans and
details have been provided, whether a lighting
plan was provided, what are the signage and
security design details, are the materials and
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plantings durable and appropriate to this
climate, and then generally has the applicant
addressed the comments by the Commission from the
previous review?
So as a reminder, Pershing Park is
located in Downtown Washington, D.C; it's
highlighted here in yellow, bounded by
Pennsylvania Avenue to the north and south and
15th and 14th Streets to the west and the east.
The park is located in an important
civic and symbolic corridor. This obviously
links the White House and Congress. Highlighted
here in -- the site is highlighted here in
orange. The park is also within the Pennsylvania
Avenue National Historic Site which has many
important cultural and civic facilities.
In 1979 the Pennsylvania Avenue
Development Corporation commissioned landscape
architect Paul Friedberg to design Pershing Park.
And here you can see the current site plan.
Under Friedberg the park became a
shaded refuge with a waterfall and a sunken water
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feature. A memorial to General Pershing was also
integrated into the park plan. And here are some
images of the site from more recently and I think
at this point you're all familiar with the
location. The park was determined individually
eligible for listing in the National Register of
Historic Places.
So today is the culmination of a
series of reviews by this Commission. Today I
will again focus on how the applicant has
responded to the comments that you provided at
preliminary approval. I'll also discuss the
conclusion of the environmental review and
Section 106 or historic preservation review
process.
The park and memorial design has
changed substantially since the competition
winner was selected in 2016, and since that time
the proposal has focused on restoring and
rehabilitating much of the original park design
while incorporating the changes that are
necessary to accommodate the memorial program and
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also enhance the functionality and accessibility
of the site.
I want to first start by saying the
applicant really does seek to improve the park
and staff believes this will be beneficial as a
whole to the Pennsylvania Avenue corridor, as
well as the surrounding community. Overall we
find the memorial and the enhanced park is a
positive addition to the Pennsylvania Avenue
corridor.
And further, the World War I
Centennial Commission can be an important partner
to help enhance the corridor and the avenue
through programming events and other activities
that will engage visitors, residents, as well as
the general public, and we think this is
particularly important as NCPC continues its work
with their other partners through the
Pennsylvania Avenue Initiative.
So the project overview includes again
the rehabilitation of much of the park fabric and
the retention of the existing Pershing Memorial,
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a new memorial element, the sculptural wall, will
be inserted into the west end of the restored
pool, and a new viewing platform will be added.
The landscaping and lighting will be enhanced and
accessibility will also be improved. Again,
overall the design seeks to balance the
commemorative program with a desire to create an
inviting park.
So I'm going to focus on those
components today related to your previous
comments as well as some other changes that the
applicant has made since your last review. These
include some further details regarding the
memorial wall as well as the lighting strategy,
some additional information about the pool and
the walkway, updates on the signage and
landscape, and then finally some of the other
additional interpretive elements and details that
have been developed.
So as I mentioned, the two major
commemorative elements are the new memorial wall,
which you can see on the -- kind of the left-hand
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side of the screen, and then the existing
Pershing Memorial, which is on the right.
The existing Pershing Memorial again
is going to stay in place, but it is being
enhanced with new lighting and improved
legibility for the walls. The wall text will be
easier to read. And as you may know, some of the
improvements have already occurred on site and
are already much improving that experience.
Here is the memorial wall which will
be a new addition. Again, this is a stand-alone
element in the west end of the pool. This
provides a narrative related to a soldier's
journey through the war.
The freestanding wall integrates a
water feature at the base here. This is
consistent with some of your earlier requests.
And this also creates sound and movement
consistent with the original Pershing -- the
original Friedberg fountain.
The applicant has continued to study
the detailing of the sculptural elements
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including how the scale and the height of the
figures will be perceived by the viewers. And
you can see here some of that analysis.
The materials and detailing have also
been further resolved with a combination of
granite finishes and other materials to provide
different textures. All of these materials are
quite durable, and this is consistent with the
standards set forth in the Commemorative Works
Act.
Looking at the western face of the
wall, again this was also will -- also have a
water feature, a fountain, and textured granite
finish. This side will have a quote related to
the search of peace which is an important
counterpoint to that war narrative occurring on
the east side of the wall.
This space here will have seating on
the steps and a more intimate feeling than that
large central plaza, so this will provide a
different experience for memorial and park
visitors.
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Previously the Commission had
requested a lighting plan and scheme for the site
particularly focused on the memorial elements.
In response the applicant has prepared a full
lighting plan and details with renderings that
explain the lighting approach.
Here you can see the idea to
distinguish several different zones within the
site for different lighting approaches. For
example, the perimeter lighting is essentially
building upon the existing pedestrian and --
pedestrian lighting, the existing conditions.
And then as you move into the site there are
focal areas obviously for the memorial, but then
also arrival and gathering spaces.
So I'll just walk you through a few
quick renderings. Here you can see the general
lighting levels for circulation are intended to
be low but meet safety requirements. And here
you can see the southeastern approach to the
Pershing Memorial focused on that pedestrian-
level lighting.
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Here you can see the memorial wall.
This will be illuminated through two pole lights.
Again, this lighting will allow you to experience
the memorial in a different way than would be
experienced during the day. And here you can see
the other side of the memorial wall at night.
Overall staff finds the lighting
approach appropriate to the memorial and the site
and it's also in a manner that's compatible with
the memorial surroundings and setting within
Pennsylvania Avenue.
The proposed design again restores the
central plaza and the pool and adds a pedestrian
path that would allow visitors to circulate in
front of the commemorative wall. This approach
includes a central platform in the middle of the
pool, which you can see here, with a scrim of
water that's shallow in depth but helps expand
the water in this area. Around the platform
there would be a deeper area of water. This is
consistent with the original pool design.
The Commission previously expressed
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support for this design as it helps reinforce the
edge of the original pool and it also appears as
a deliberate and contemporary insertion to the
historic park fabric. However, given the amount
of hardscape, the Commission had also recommended
the applicant consider different kind of
materials and paving colors to help differentiate
the pedestrian kind of circulation areas from the
scrim.
In response the design has been
updated to include two different materials for
the pool and walkway. These are varying colors
and shades of the granite finish, which we
believe is consistent with the Commission's
request. We think that these two materials help
break up the paving areas and will help again
distinguish the walkway areas from the pool and
the scrim.
In your past reviews the Commission
also commented about the need to improve the
corner access and you had expressed support for
simple horizontal signage at the corners. The
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applicant has provided some additional details
regarding those and you can see here these kind
of low signs that will be provided at the
entries.
The applicant has also further
developed the planting plans to help improve the
experience throughout the site including at the
corners. You can see here providing some
additional colorful plantings that will highlight
these entries. Overall the landscape approach
builds upon the historical scheme developed by
Oehme, van Sweden.
I'll mention that some security
measures have also been integrated into the site
plan. There are -- these are simple bollards at
key locations as well as reinforced planters
along Pennsylvania Avenue. In general we find
these are generally unobtrusive and simple while
meeting the security needs.
Moving onto the landscape I do want to
mention some of the changes that are proposed.
Here you can see the existing trees, and what's
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evident are the gaps in the existing canopy.
These are going to be filled in through the new
landscape scheme you can see here. So again this
provides an opportunity to provide -- to create
more tree canopy and shade in a way that's
consistent with the original intent of the
landscape. The applicant will also be providing
larger planting areas and new soil, so this will
help promote the long-term survivability of these
trees.
Just some other details. You can see
the proposed tree canopy palette. Again, this
builds upon the original landscape plans. And
then also again the understory plantings will be
replaced and improved adding color and texture
throughout the site. At the plaza level, the
terraces along Pennsylvania Avenue, the planters
will also be improved. Again, these are plants
that durable to the climate -- to our climate and
appropriate to the site.
Moving on, the Commission had
indicated that the commemorate elements should
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not overwhelm the site so that it could still
function as a park within the city. I'll talk
about some of the other features very briefly,
the first focusing on the belvedere which is
highlighted here in red. This as you may recall
was the former location of the gazebo or kiosk.
This area of the belvedere is proposed
to be used for orientation and interpretation.
There were also be some -- an additional
accessibility features like a tactile model
nearby. This helps to promote interpretation for
users of all abilities. In general we do support
the location for this activity because it's
centralized and it also affords views both to the
new memorial wall as well as the Pershing
Memorial. And it's centrally located so that
anybody entering the site can kind of find their
location here.
A flagstaff and new inscriptions are
also proposed at the western side of the site.
And then other limited inscriptions are proposed
for the planters along Pennsylvania Avenue.
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Overall we did not feel that these new features
overwhelmed the site and were appropriate to
balancing that kind of park experience with a
commemorative approach.
I'll note that the applicant is also
proposing to integrate digital information to the
park. This is something new that we haven't
really seen before. This is through the use of
information poppies with QR codes. And you may
be familiar with these. These are kind of like
the barcodes that you can scan with your phone.
Here you can see a site plan showing
the locations of these poppies, which will be
physical elements that you can actually scan for
additional information. The intent is that you'd
be able to use your smartphone to access online
information about the war and the memorial and
the site itself.
Staff has greatly appreciated the
thoughtfulness and attention paid by the
applicant in developing the interpretive elements
ranging from the wall and some of the sculptures
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that I know the Commission discussed at the last
meeting reflecting upon the diversity of
experiences in people that participated and took
part in this historic event. As such we do
recommend commending the World War I Commission
for their thoughtfulness and depth of the
interpretive program, and also the integration of
both traditional and new means within the
memorial and park.
So to conclude I'd like to just
briefly discuss the historic preservation and
environmental reviews pursuant to Section 106 of
the National Historic Preservation Act. A MOA,
Memorandum of Agreement, was developed to resolve
adverse effects on this historic site. The MOA
does identify mitigation measures including the
preparation of a National Historic Register
nomination, as well as the development of a
modernist landscapes context study. You'll
recall from the Modernist Landscapes Forum and
also some of the discussions with the parks and
open space element. This is a topic of interest
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to NCPC, so we are excited to see this study
initiated.
And then finally regarding the NEPA
process and environmental assessment was prepared
by the Park Service with NCPC as a cooperating
agency. The primary impacts were those related
to historic resources, which I just mentioned,
and they were resolved through the MOA. As such,
staff recommends the Commission find that in
accordance with the National Environmental Policy
Act your action to approve the memorial will not
have a significant impact on the human
environment.
So overall staff finds the applicant
has been responsive to the Commission's comments
and the design has improved as a result, and
therefore it's the Executive Director's
recommendation the Commission approve the final
site development plans for the memorial, finds
the design has been updated to reflect the
Commission's comments, finds the design meets the
criteria set forth in the Commemorative Works
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Act, commends the World War I Centennial
Commission for their interpretive program, finds
that the approval of the design will not have a
significant impact on the human environment,
notes that an MOA has been prepared to conclude
the Section 106 process, and finds that the
memorial and park will be a positive addition to
the Pennsylvania Avenue corridor. And further,
the World War I Centennial Commission can be an
important partner as we continue to work to
enhance the avenue.
That concludes my presentation. I'm
available to answer any questions.
Mr. Edwin Fountain with the World War
I Centennial Commission is also here today I
believe to provide some brief remarks. Thank
you.
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Welcome, Mr.
Fountain.
MR. FOUNTAIN: Thank you and good
afternoon and thank you for the opportunity to
speak to you briefly. And I apologize for my
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voice. I was at a meeting Tuesday night with
42,000 colleagues on South Capitol Street and --
(Laughter.)
MR. FOUNTAIN: -- had to raise my
voice a few times in order to make myself heard.
I'm here today to tell you that the
World War I Centennial Commission as the sponsor
of this project is pleased to present the
memorial design that you've seen today and to ask
for your approval of the staff recommendation.
And in anticipation of that approval, I'd ask you
to indulge me in a few brief reflections on the
conclusion of -- what I hope is the conclusion of
a three-year design review and compliance
process.
When we undertook to create a National
World War I Memorial at Pershing Park, removed
from the trio of memorials the Mall, we knew that
we first faced a challenge similar to that faced
by most war memorial sponsors, which in this case
was to design a memorial that properly conveys
the nation-changing and world-changing
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significance of World War I, that properly
conveys the magnitude of American sacrifice in
that war, and that commemorates the
accomplishments of American forces with the
physical scale and an emotional weight that is
commensurate with the memorials on the Mall to
the three other wars of the 20th Century.
We also knew that we were taking on an
additional challenge that many other war
memorials do not face, which is to construct a
memorial that is integrated within a well-
functioning urban park such that the memorial and
park design elements are balanced and harmonious,
the park does not marginalize the memorial and
the memorial itself does not limit the potential
civic uses of the park.
And then as the project moved forward
we were tasked with a third challenge, which was
to preserve and restore to the greatest feasible
extent the contributing features of a
historically-significant existing park.
Now, underlying those complex design
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challenges was the additional challenge of
navigating the process of building a memorial on
federal land in Washington, D.C. As you well
know, a memorial sponsor must comply with three
different statutory regimes and appear before at
least four different approval, consulting, and
advisory bodies which comprise a total of 23
different voices by my count, 12 of which are on
this Commission alone. And that doesn't even
count the consulting parties and other public
commenters and the NEPA and Section 106
processes.
We heard from that multitude of
stakeholders, who, needless to say, do not always
speak with a single voice, over the course of
some 45 commission presentations, interagency
staff meetings and Section 106 consulting party
meetings. And you've seen in the staff
presentation to you just now and in prior
submissions how we have endeavored to meet those
sometimes conflicting challenges. It's taken us
exactly three years to go from our initial design
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submission to this presentation, which I know to
some sounds like a long time, but which I
understand to be relatively short for a project
of this scope and complexity. And we've done so
I believe with a relative absence of controversy.
As frustrating as that process can be
at times, we have learned and benefitted from the
guidance from this Commission as well as the
other stakeholders and we have presented to you a
better memorial design as a result.
Our ability to meet those challenges
before us in this time frame is due to the
efforts and talents of a great many people
starting with our design people; and I'd ask them
to stand when I acknowledge them. But led by our
lead designer Joe Weishaar, who won our
competition, supported by our architect of record
GWWO Architects, led by John Gregg and landscape
architect David Rubin Land Collective, and of
course our sculptor Sabin Howard, who's not with
us today.
And to that note what struck me about
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this whole process has been how much of it has
been about the park and how little time
relatively has been spent on the sculpture
itself. The sculptor is off and running. He's
been sculpting since Labor Day. I encourage you
if you find yourself in the New York City area to
let us know. We'd be delighted to facilitate a
visit out to his studio so you can see his work
in process.
But I also want to call out the staff
of this Commission, most notably Matthew Flis,
Diane Sullivan, Lee Webb, Elizabeth Miller and
Michael Sherman, as well as the staffs of the
Commission of Fine Arts and the National Park
Service led by Mr. May, and the Commissions
themselves of course.
So with all that I appreciate you for
indulging me today and for your contributions to
this long overdue memorial. We look forward to
completing this process and moving on to making
it -- to bringing it to realization. Thank you
very much.
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VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Thank you, Mr.
Fountain. Appreciate the work that you all have
been doing in collaboration with staff and all
the stakeholders.
Like to open up to any comments or
questions at this time from the Commission.
Commissioner Evan. Yes?
MEMBER CASH: So I just want to thank
the team for the design work. I think that it's
come a really long way from when we looked at
this first years ago where it was essentially
going to forget this park and create a new
memorial. And we really moved onto kind of a --
I think I called it at the time a -- more of a
restoration project and enhancing it.
And I just want to reiterate the thing
that I've said the past few times to you; and
this might be more for the Park Service, but
please, please, please do all you can to keep
this pool running, to keep the water in there.
There are so many other locations; I've said this
before, that you walk around the city, around
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here and there are water elements and they're
just turned off, they're broken, they're not
maintained. And I think that's a really central
feature here and if it's going to work, the water
is really important.
So I would just make sure to keep that
scrim on as much as you can to get that pool
fixed up and don't let it -- and put aside
resources to maintain this going forward, because
even down at FDR now you can see there's a lot of
the water features that aren't always on. So I
know it's a big undertaking to do that sometimes,
but I think that's just such a central part here.
So I'd really encourage folks to make it work and
-- but thanks for the design work.
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Other comments?
Questions?
MEMBER MAY: I have a few.
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Commissioner May?
MEMBER MAY: I would say thank you to
Mr. Cash and also note that we -- I think we will
be able to approach this park a little bit
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differently from others, and Mr. Fountain
actually has something to do with that. We'll
continue to work with the World War I Centennial
Commission to get this built, but then hopefully
beyond that working with others to bring -- to
make sure that this stays at the high level of
restoration that we will see.
I mean, this is one of those parks
that we inherited. Not that we treated it any
differently, but it's not one that we had
originally designed and we've been -- it's been a
struggle to maintain from the very beginning.
And of course our ability to maintain these is
highly dependent on the funding we receive, so
hopefully we will received sufficient funding to
be able to do what we need to do.
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Anyone else, a
comment?
(No audible response.)
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: I would like to
also compliment the work of the team. This
memorial has come a long way and I think this --
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the kind of synergy of the landscape design with
the memorial design and the combination of
materials and water and so forth really all
reinforced one another in a very, very positive
way.
The connectivity and the kind of
access and visibility of this memorial is
something that's been an issue I think in the
past and I think that you all have found amazing
ways to try to open it up and at the same time
give it kind of a procession that would invite
visitors into this site. The kind of access from
the points, the more accessibility from ramping.
There's a lot of grade on this site which has to
be considered and not a small thing to do and I
think you've done it an amazingly seamless kind
of way.
Appreciate the decision about
materials. Keeping the scrim as a different kind
of color and material I think is critical to its
overall success and the multiuse ways that we
anticipate seeing this space used over time. So
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I'm really thrilled by the work that the team has
done.
I want to -- I'm glad we're on this
image because it is -- there's one thing about
this that I have continually talked about here,
and it is those steps, the seated steps, or
whatever we'd call them, not the formal steps
down into the memorial. And it's the ledge at
the bottom that I'm most concerned about.
I just visited the memorial again this
morning because I wanted to see it one more time
as we took up this discussion. And I worry that
-- what's supposed to happen when you get to the
bottom if you walk all the way down. And are you
-- are we inviting people to fall in? I don't --
or step in? Have we had that happen much in the
past when this was operating as a pool before?
I'm assuming the pool depth is essentially the
same as what it is today. Is that right?
(No audible response.)
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Yes? Yes. So
obviously I don't think we have to worry about a
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safety issue as much as just sort of the ledge
seems to want to invite you to go there and want
to almost tempt whether you're going to fall in
or not.
So anyway, it's just something that of
all the things -- and I really -- the belvedere,
by the way, is such an inspiration I think in the
way -- where it's strategically placed, how it
will both be a perch for visitors to learn and
witness what this memorial is all about. It's a
-- it's sort of a -- where it's located and how
it will draw people into in sort of a magnetized
kind of fashion I think is brilliant.
So very, very excited and can't wait
to attend the groundbreaking for this one. And
then of course the actual ribbon cutting for this
one.
Mr. Cash?
MEMBER CASH: I do have one more
question that this slide reminded me of.
What's the strategy with the pavers
throughout the site? I know that these are a lot
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of those old Pennsylvania Avenue pavers that seem
to not be easily replicated. I know there's a
big chunk of them out in front of the Department
of Commerce Building where it was -- they tried
to replicate and it's falling apart. So I mean,
are -- is it going to be new? Is it going to
trying to -- a new stone integrating with the
old? What's the strategy especially along the
Pennsylvania Avenue side?
MR. RUBIN: Good afternoon. My name
is David Rubin from Land Collective. We're the
landscape architects involved in the project.
We actually through great stewardship
on behalf of the competition winner found the
original source for the Pennsylvania Avenue
pavers and feel that we will be able to position
that paving in such a way that it will be
seamless in the context of the greater avenue.
In terms of the materiality of the
remainder of the paving systems, they reflect
what was a better version of what was originally
placed there, so resetting in such a way that
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there are no trip hazards and replacement in kind
wherever possible for the materials.
MEMBER CASH: Thanks.
MR. RUBIN: You're welcome.
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Any other
questions or comments?
Commissioner May?
MEMBER MAY: I was just hoping to
comment on the -- your concern about the steps
and people getting into the water.
So the -- we -- it's a difficult
balance because people want to go to water and
touch water and put their feet in it and walk in
it and so on, but what we have done, as I
understand the practice now at World War II, is
that if people want to put their feet into the
water, sit at the edge, something like that, we
won't stop that. But when people wade into it,
we will stop that.
So I expect the same sort of thing
might occur here, that people would go up to it,
might put their feet into it and we won't stop
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that, but we'll certainly discourage anybody from
walking in it because you want to have the
appropriate reverence and respect for the
memorial.
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Yes. It's
interesting because the ledge at points today
doesn't -- it's not continuous. It's -- but for
this section along Pennsylvania -- or I don't
know what this actual road is. Is this -- that's
Pennsylvania also. It's all -- yes.
This section it is continuous, at
least as it exists now. So I think it's just
something that it is what it is, but just curious
how we're thinking about it.
Okay. All right. I think sensing no
further comment, I'd like to entertain a motion
to approve the final site development plans for
this project.
MEMBER MAY: So moved.
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: And is there a
second?
MEMBER WRIGHT: Second.
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VICE CHAIR GALLAS: There is a second.
All those in favor, signify by saying aye?
(Chorus of aye.)
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Any opposed?
(No audible response.)
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Unanimously
approved.
I'd like to thank the World War I
Centennial Commission and the project team for
their continuing efforts to refine this beautiful
design and that honors our veterans of World War
I. We look forward to seeing you when this turns
into a reality. Thank you very much.
Congratulations.
Okay. Looks like it takes a village.
(Laughter.)
UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR,
NATIONAL PARK SERVICE, NATIONAL MALL,
INDEPENDENCE AVENUE AND DANIEL FRENCH DRIVE,
S.W., WASHINGTON, D.C. - KORAN WAR VETERANS
MEMORIAL WALL OF REMEMBRANCE
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Next Agenda Item
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6B is for approval of comments on the concept
plans for Korean War Veterans Memorial Wall of
Remembrance.
And I believe Ms. Lee will be giving
her final presentation here in front of the
Commission as she moves onto an exciting role
with the General Services Administration.
Wish you the best, Ms. Lee.
MS. LEE: Thank you. Good afternoon,
members of the Commission. The National Park
Service has submitted the Korean War Veterans
Memorial Wall of Remembrance for concept review.
This project entails adding a wall to
the existing Korean War Veterans Memorial to
remember the names of the service members who did
not return from the Korean War.
At the Commission retreat last month
you learned about the different stages of review
for a commemorative -- for a new commemorative
work. This commemorative work project is a bit
different because it is an addition to an
existing memorial. Therefore, at this concept
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review the Commission should be asking what are
the elements of the proposed design, how does the
design fit within the context, what are the
differences in the design alternatives, and what
is the proposed -- and if -- and is the proposed
design appropriate for the site?
The Korean War Veterans Memorial is
located to the southeast of the Lincoln Memorial
on West Potomac Park. The memorial site has a
symmetrical relationship to the Vietnam Veterans
Memorial site located on the north side of the
Reflecting Pool. Dedicated in 1995, the memorial
occupies 7.5 acres within Ash Woods. It is
surrounded by Ash Road to the north, the U.S.
Park Police stables to the east, Daniel French
Drive to the west, and Independence Avenue to the
south.
The existing Korean War Veterans
Memorial composition has a strong geometry
organized into two distinctive areas. A
triangular Field of Service and a circular Pool
of Remembrance. The memorial also includes a
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flagpole, a granite triangle where the memorial
theme is inscribed, a mural wall, the Freedom is
not Free inscription wall, and low walls with
inscriptions aligning with the visual axis
between the Lincoln and Jefferson Memorials.
Here you can see pictures of existing
conditions. The Field of Service is a sunny area
characterized by the fragrant smell of juniper
bushes. Among the low bushes 19 stainless steel
soldiers walk toward the American flag. In the
background a polished mural wall includes faces
of supporting troops overlapping with the
reflection of the sculptures.
The Pool of Remembrance is a shaded
and secluded circular plaza that fosters quiet
reflection. The American flag is the focal point
of the memorial. The circular fountain buffers
the noise of the surrounding Independence Avenue
traffic. The commemorative grove of linden trees
provides shade as well as circulation of benches
on the ground plain.
In 2016 Congress enacted the Korean
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War Veterans Memorial Wall of Remembrance Act.
This legislation authorized the Korean War
Veteran Memorial Foundation to construct a Wall
of Remembrance at the Korean War Veterans
Memorial. The Act required that the wall include
a list of names of members of the Armed Forces of
the United States who died in the Korean War as
determined by the Secretary of Defense. The
proposed wall include a total of 44,574 names
including the U.S. and the Korean Augmentation to
the United States Army.
The project has six design guiding
principles: Maintaining the integrity of the
original memorial, minimizing the impact of the
proposed wall from the National Mall,
incorporating the new wall as if it had been part
of the original design, limiting the area of
names to less than the name area on the Vietnam
Veterans Memorial, providing a better edge to the
circular plaza, and incorporating the desired
lines of pedestrian travel from the memorial.
So in order to address the design
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principles, NPS analyzed the Vietnam Veterans
Memorial and determined that the name surface
area for the proposed wall should be less than
2,600 square feet. The proposed text will be
7/16-inch high, organized in columns by service
and rank.
NPS considered several design concepts
for the Wall of Remembrance with differences in
height, materials and composition that
significantly changed the character of the
memorial and the National Mall, created adverse
visual impacts and increased the impervious
surface. It was clear through the consultation
process that all of these options had major
issues and were therefore dismissed.
I'm going to walk you through the
alternatives that were considered but dismissed.
So the first design included an eight-
foot tall wall, a glass wall that enclosed the
Pool of Remembrance. The glass introduced a new
material into the memorial. While transparent,
it would still be highly visible and intrusive.
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A second option included approximately
30 walls radiating from the pool. The proposed
walls alternated between eight and six feet in
height. Again, this alternative created
significant visual impacts and cluttered the
site.
The next scheme replicated the Korean
flag in plain view. Vertical walls ranging from
six to eight feet would be positioned around the
pool. This alternative also created visual
impacts to the memorial and the National Mall.
Another option included a new plaza on
the south side of the existing mural wall. It
included several walls ranging from four to nine
feet in height. This option was dismissed
because it separated the commemorative experience
from the rest of the memorial and did not have
any relationship to the existing circulation.
Given all of these different options,
NPS has selected a low wall alternative as their
preferred approach.
So here the preferred option which
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consists of a low wall angled -- a low-angle wall
surrounding an expanded circular plaza. It
entails a low-angle wall integrated into the
landscape as shown in yellow, an expanded
circular plaza shown in pink, two pedestrian
paths shown in blue, and also rehabilitated the
existing memorial.
Here is a section to the Pool or
Remembrance. You can see the existing conditions
on top and proposed conditions at the bottom.
The radius of the plaza will be expanded by nine
feet to provide circulation around the new
curvilinear wall. The existing berm from the
surrounding landscape will be raised from 4 to 10
percent to conceal most of the wall and maintain
reciprocal views of the memorial and the National
Mall.
Here is a view looking west towards
the Lincoln Memorial. The proposed wall will
have a length of 384 linear feet.
Here is a view looking east towards
the proposed U.S. Park Police stables. The wall
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will provide an enclosure to the memorial space.
Here is a pedestrian view from Ash
Road. You can see the berm concealing most of
the wall.
Here is a picture looking west from
the flagpole. You can see the proposed Wall of
Remembrance to the left behind the existing mural
wall in here.
Here is a view from the main memorial
entry toward the American flag. You can see the
raised berm behind the existing United Nations
curve.
Here is another view. This is looking
from the southwest memorial entry.
The new paving and wall be constructed
of the same granite used the original memorial.
As you can see, the paving will be larger to
differentiate the new addition.
So in general we comment favorably on
the preferred low-wall concept because it is
consistent with memorial design, it's integrated
into the landscape, minimizes visual and
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environmental impacts to the National Mall while
improving access and circulation.
So our analysis is organized in four
topics, as you can see listed here.
The first topic is circulation. The
only formal access to the memorial is from the
west via two pathways shown in red. So the
memorial internal circulation starts at the
triangular Field of Service here along the United
Nations wall. It continues around the circular
Pool of Remembrance. From there some visitors
can sit on benches under the linden trees and
walk around the path next to the mural wall
toward Daniel French Drive to the west. The
existing pedestrian circulation will be
maintained with the additional option of walking
along the Wall of Remembrance.
NPS proposes two new connections to
the memorial, one from Ash Road to the north and
one from Independence Avenue to the south. Both
connections will bring visitors directly into the
circular Pool or Remembrance. As you can see,
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the proposed walkways leading directly into the
Pool or Remembrance provide symmetry to the
design, however, they may alter this quiet and
secluded space and the sequence of the existing
memorial.
The proposed connection from Ash Road
will improve the visitor experience and
connectivity of the memorial with the surrounding
context given Ash Road connects the Korean War
Veterans Memorial to nearby memorials and
attractions on the National Mall including the
soon-to-be renovated U.S. Park Police stables
located immediately to the east.
The proposed connection from
Independence Avenue may have less use because it
is located in between the only two crossing on
Independence Avenue, which already have or will
have with the stables project, form a path to Ash
Road. Visitors would likely follow these two
paths to access the memorial from Ash Road as
opposed to walking along the more traffic-prone
Independence Avenue. Therefore, we request that
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NPS further evaluate how many visitors will be
likely to access the memorial from the proposed
Independence Avenue connection.
The second topic is the proposed wall
design. The proposed wall is consistent with the
geometry of the existing low walls of the Korean
War Veterans Memorial.
As you can see in this section, the
proposed wall will have a granite frame around
the perimeter here, a 16-inch granite strip here
transitioning between the wall and the grass, and
the wall will be eight inches above the berm.
The wall finish will be polished with sandblasted
names to maximize contrast.
Here is a view walking from the
proposed pathway that connects Ash Road to the
memorial. The raised berm conceals most of the
wall while retaining views to the space under the
linden trees and the Freedom is not Free Wall.
As the design evolved we requested the applicant
consider simplifying the wall profile to soften
the transition into the landscape and maintain
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open views between the existing memorial
components and the National Mall, provide a
mockup on site segment of the proposed wall to
evaluate how the reflected finish and angle
impact glare and legibility as well as visual
impacts to the memorial and surrounding context.
The third topic is landscape and
visitor experience. The memorial's landscape
design reinforces its formal composition. It is
characterized by a commemorative space composed
of two rows of linden trees around the Pool or
Remembrance that create a circle of pleached
trees and a triangular field of low juniper
bushes emerging from the forest. Any changes to
the landscape should be minimal and avoid
competing with the memorial's formal landscape.
So the memorial has limited seating
opportunities given the size of the overall
memorial site. There are currently seven benches
under the pleached linden trees, as you can see
here highlighted in red.
So we recommend that the applicant
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provide a landscape plan that incorporates
benches along the proposed walkway that connects
Ash Road to allow for opportunities for rest and
contemplation, and if possible in areas of shade
and low-impact development features integrated
into the proposed berm to comply with federal and
local stormwater management regulations.
Lastly, we request that the applicant
provide a lighting plan of night views of the
proposed wall consistent with the overall
lighting design for the memorial that respects
the hierarchy of memorials and monuments in the
nation's capital, details showing the proposed
improvements to the back side of the existing
mural wall and how the Wall of Remembrance will
terminate at the mural wall, and eye-level views
from Independence Avenue looking north to better
understand the impacts of the proposed design.
To conclude, the Executive Director's
recommendation is for the Commission to comment
favorably on the preferred low-wall concept,
request that NPS further evaluate how many
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visitors would likely -- to access the memorial
from Independence Avenue, request that the
applicant consider simplifying the wall profile
to soften the transition into landscape, provide
a mockup of a segment of the proposed wall,
recommend that the applicant provide a landscape
plan with low-impact development features,
benches, request a lighting plan, details showing
the proposed improvements to the back side of the
existing wall and eye-level views from
Independence Avenue.
With this I conclude my presentation.
NPS has provided a mockup, a physical model and
also samples for your review. I'm happy to
provide -- to answer any questions. And the
applicant design team are here as well. Thank
you.
[INSERT - KORAN WAR VETERANS MEMORIAL WALL OF
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VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Thank you very
much, Ms. Lee, for a very informative and
comprehensive presentation, as usual.
I'd like to open this up for comments
or questions.
MEMBER DIXON: Mr. Chairman, I would
just say that this was a great job, well
presented. And to I guess -- and particularly
tell the staff I'm very sorry to see you have to
leave us and hope you will be -- should be as
rewarding as you deserve moving forward.
MEMBER WRIGHT: Well, that's very nice
of you.
MEMBER DIXON: Well, I mean --
MEMBER WRIGHT: If you're going to
poach, you poach the best.
(Laughter.)
MEMBER DIXON: Well you know what, you
know how to do it.
MEMBER WRIGHT: Yes.
Okay. So I am not a fan of these
naming walls at all. I get that it's what we do
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now and it's sort of de rigueur and I hope that
we get over it soon, because it's become a bit of
a cliché. And I kind of -- and I think it's --
it heads us off in a design direction that we
will all live to regret just because there's --
it -- the -- what was so powerful at Vietnam
becomes diluted every time it's repeated. And
yet I understand now that it's become the
standard and if your name -- the name of your
loved one is not written down somewhere, you feel
slighted. So we've created a problem that needs
to be fixed, I think.
Having said all that, I think -- and
I'm not a fan of additions to complete
compositions and it should be avoided, especially
to come back and do this.
However, having read up a little bit
about the history of the war, which my father was
in and never talked about, I think that the
design for the addition is as sensitive and as
fitting as it possibly could be. And I --
whoever the design team was, I applaud you
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because this is hard to do. And I'll leave it at
that.
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Simple is good.
Thank you.
Any other comments?
Yes, Commissioner?
MEMBER TRUEBLOOD: I agree with what's
been said. I think it was done all very
sensitively.
I just -- there was one thing that
struck me. I have two comments: One, if you
could go to the slide where the -- it's the view
from southwest memorial entry. I just -- in my
deck it's No. 27, but I don't know if that helps
you.
(Off microphone comment.)
MEMBER TRUEBLOOD: Yes, that's what it
is.
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: It won't be here.
MEMBER TRUEBLOOD: Yes, I know it's a
different number, but at least maybe it's near
that.
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Yes, that -- so this is the one that
it does feel like a little bit of a different
experience just because it -- there's like a --
it feels like a slice coming right out of -- at
me through the wall. And I just -- I guess I'm
interested in thinking -- in hearing when it
comes back how the design team is thinking about
how this kind of creates a -- two sides now to
the memorial that --
MEMBER MAY: That's the existing --
(Simultaneous speaking.)
MEMBER TRUEBLOOD: Oh, I'm sorry.
Thank you. That's -- I thought that was -- well
then never mind.
(Laughter.)
MEMBER TRUEBLOOD: Thank you,
Commissioner May.
My only other comment then is really
then on the new paths and just thinking about the
tree plan. I notice it looks like there might be
trees in the way, so insofar as the new landscape
plan comes forward if there are trees to be
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removed, what additions might be made, I think I
would be interested to hear. Thank you.
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: I wouldn't mind
commenting on that one just before I -- my other
comments.
I happened to go by here this morning
also because I wanted to view this memorial also,
because it's not one that I've gone to often.
It's sort of a secret to me. It's tucked in on
the -- say the lesser pedestrian-used side of the
Mall, in my opinion.
But I was -- and part of my curiosity
had to do with how it was viewed from
Independence Avenue and how you could access it
and what the impact on the trees would be. And I
was actually amazed at -- even though this
drawing shows sort of a forest, I was amazed at
how I thought we could find a pathway through
there that wouldn't have a lot of tree
intervention, but it would be interesting to see
whether the design team agrees with me.
But ultimately I think that the access
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to Independence Avenue would be a wonderful thing
because it such a secret, and I know that -- I
heard the comments from staff about questions
about the number of visitors, but I could also
imagine that if this were more of an inviting
opening from Independence Avenue that we might
find more pedestrians using that side of the
street and also wanting access into what right
now is an uninviting -- and there's really no
reason to want to walk on that side of
Independence Avenue even though it has fewer curb
cuts than the southern side of the street.
So I like to imagine this side of
Independence Avenue as becoming a more
pedestrian-inviting kind of place where we might
see people crossing from Martin Luther King and
coming across into the Mall and being invited.
I know there will be another
penetration at the horse barn where we're
renovating that as well. But if there's no
reason to walk on something, then it's going to
be hard for NPS to answer the question how many
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visitors are going to enter from this location.
But if we could imagine and could
create a more inviting pedestrian experience
along Independence Avenue, I think we would get
more people along that route, and we would get
more visitors to this, what I think is somewhat a
secret memorial, and a very important one.
I'll leave my comments there and come
back on other things later.
Is there anyone who could comment on
the vision for a pathway in terms of the impact
on existing trees in the Ash Woods area?
MS. LANZILLOTTA: Good afternoon, I'm
Mary Kay Lanzillotta with Hartman-Cox Architects,
part of the design team. So thank you for your
comments, Commissioners.
Part of the reason for creating both
of these paths is there are desire lines right
now underneath the tree canopies, both to the
southeast and to the northeast. It has created a
problem, actually, for the Park Service. People
don't honor, I'll say, the post and chain that is
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currently along Independence, and, or Ash Road
for that matter, or around the Pool of
Remembrance.
And people are climbing over that
constantly. And so we think it's really to the
benefit, not only for the grove of trees but for
the long-term sustainability of Ash Wood to
actually create those paths that will support the
pedestrians. Since this memorial was built, as
Ms. Lee indicated, there's been a lot of change
to this portion of the Mall.
And I think these paths start to
acknowledge the evolution, the continual
evolution of the site and build upon the
experience the visitors currently have and will
be a more welcoming path, rather than trampling
these poor trees roots and canopy. We believe we
can find a path. We have an arborist on our team
that is helping us make those selections.
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: And maybe a path
that will minimize any loss of trees?
MS. LANZILLOTTA: That is certainly
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our objective.
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Yeah, okay.
MS. LANZILLOTTA: Both to the
southeast and to the northeast.
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: All right,
Commissioner Trueblood, does that respond to your
question?
MEMBER TRUEBLOOD: It does, and I
agree with you, I mean, I think this can be quite
additive to the memorial. I've only experienced
it through kind of the linear path in the, as you
have in the red arrows right there. And I do
think, obviously there's a desire and a demand
for other ways of accessing this memorial.
MS. LANZILLOTTA: Thank you.
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Other comments or
questions? I have some but I'll wait.
Commissioner May?
MEMBER MAY: well, I was going to
respond to some of the issues that have come up.
First of all, I would say to Commissioner
Wright's comment about walls of names and the
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extent to which they are required in memorials
like this, and I think we all sense that that's
not desirable in every circumstance. And in
fact, other memorials very deliberately steer
away from that.
So for example, with Desert Storm they
will not be listing names, and they're very clear
about that. I think that's very important.
I think another thing that has come up
is this, is the notion that this part of the Mall
has changed, but I think also memorials change.
And as much as we try to predict how people will
enter and exit and experience the memorials, it
often works out to be a little bit different.
And so, for example, at Vietnam
Veterans Memorial, it was originally designed
with a grass buffer between the wall and the
walkway. And it became very clear very early on
that we could not keep people from stepping over
that and touching the wall. And so that memorial
was adapted.
Now, World War II we did, it was a
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different circumstance but we had to, an area
where we did not think people would be walking at
all became a place where people walked. And this
band of paving that sort of flanked it had to be
widened because of the trampling of the grass
that surrounded it.
So, and as much as we try to control
how people experience these things and go into
our vast supply of post and chain and start
deploying it everywhere, it's not big enough to
truly keep people from doing things and stepping
over it. Nor do we want it to be that much of a
preventive measure. We're trying to suggest to
people that you should go this way, not that way.
And we do our best with that and live with the
consequences.
In this circumstance, I think one of
the things that is probably happening is that
there are many people who are ascending through
one of the approach paths and then electing to
leave from the circle, from around the Pool of
Remembrance. And there are probably as many
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people leaving from that point as there are
approaching to it.
Because I think it's a little bit
more, when you get to that point, it's like, oh,
well, why don't I walk that way to Ash Road and
then I can go to World War II faster, or I can go
down Independence to Martin Luther King faster.
So I think that it, this is a sensible
kind of approach, and it certainly has to be done
sensitively, and we have to be careful with the
placement of trees and the placement of the path.
I'm not sure that the paths themselves really
accommodate or will accommodate seating or shade,
which those sort of seemed a little bit
contradictory.
But we'll certainly look at that. We
are looking at the question of whether we have
enough seating within the memorial itself as
well.
But I'm so thrilled with the design
solution as it has been developed at this point
for what I thought was going to be an incredibly
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difficult adaptation that I am highly confident
that the design team will able to navigate the
waters and get us through and resolve any of
these questions raised by the staff or by the
Commission today.
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Thank you,
Commissioner May. I just want to follow up. I
agree that this is a incredibly sensitive
intervention into this memorial space, and
compliment the design team as well.
I do have a couple of questions. If
we could look at slide 56, I think it is. Yeah,
so this, there's a lot going on right here,
there's a lot of ambition with this corner of the
Wall of Remembrance and where it connects to the
mural wall. And I feel like we're going to add
an inscription as I understand it on the
backside, the south side of the wall.
And we also terminate the Wall of
Remembrance right at the mural wall. Which to me
both creates the possibility for sort of a dead
end corner on the one hand, and the other a
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conflict potentially with those who might want to
be reading the inscription while others are
reading names along the Wall of Remembrance.
So to me this is something I'd really
like the team to look at for how we resolve that
intersection. What's so nice about the, I know
you don't want to create an opening there that
then would invite people to walk along the south
side of the wall. So I don't think we're looking
for that.
But what's so nice about the way you
have proposed the openings in the Wall of
Remembrance for the two new pedestrian pathways
is that it has the potential, because I want to
comment about that in a second, but it has the
potential for a very elegant kind of natural
entrance into the circular wall. So, but I feel
like it fails at that moment in design.
The other thing I guess if you could
go to 50, please. This is where the berm, and
you commented on this, Ms. Lee, in your comments
as well, where the side wall of the berm is
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trying to sort of transition and absorb the berm.
And I'm sure there needs to be a lot more design
work done here.
But you know, this can't be it
exactly, right. We need to work on something
that feels like it belonged there. This feels
like certainly an afterthought at this point, and
it is an afterthought. But we need to make it
feel like it's not an afterthought ultimately so
that, you know, decades from now people will come
and feel as though this was always a part of
this.
The thing I like most about the way,
of all the options that were explored and what I
like about this is how it protects the site
lines, which are such an important part of this
memorial. It's such an elegant and defined, you
know, kind of orientation as you use it.
Commission May, as you talked about
people leaving, you arrive there and then like
where do I go. I don't really want to go back
because I just experienced the way you're
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supposed to go, which is to go in. And so this
kind of release to be able to go to either side
is going to be a really nice and welcome thing.
And of course we want to welcome
people coming from Ash Road and Independence
Avenue also into this. So overall, I think these
are minor things that you all can easily address.
I just want to make sure we reinforce those
points when we see it back again. Thank you.
Any other comments or questions? All
right, so is there a motion to approve the -- oh,
Commissioner Wright.
MEMBER WRIGHT: I did have one
question.
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: She thinks best
when she's typing.
MEMBER WRIGHT: No, I had a question
about this letter from Mr. Barker about the
inaccuracy of the names, which is one of the
things that's a problem with these walls. He
claims that there's over 1000 errors, that the
number of names is wrong, and so forth. So I'm
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assuming that that is going to be resolved.
Should I assume that?
COLONEL DEAN: Ma'am, my name's
Colonel Richard Dean, I'm the Vice Chairman of
the Korean War Veterans Memorial Foundation. The
way the law's written is the names that are going
to be inscribed on this wall have to be provided
by the Department of the Interior to our
foundation, and they get it from the Department
of Defense.
It's up to the Department of Defense
to provide the names to us. And the Barker
brothers have the opportunity of providing that
data if they want to release it to the Department
of Defense. But right now they want to be paid
for that data. I'll leave it at that.
MEMBER WRIGHT: Oh. This is a
shakedown?
COLONEL DEAN: Could be.
MEMBER WRIGHT: Kind of? Oh, wow.
Well, I'm glad I asked.
COLONEL DEAN: They've spent about 50
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years with this database, and their life is built
into this database they have. They want to be
paid for it. I'll leave it at that.
MEMBER WRIGHT: Okay, so but since no
one's going to, I don't, I mean the drama and
intrigue notwithstanding --
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Can't resist.
MEMBER WRIGHT: This is part of the
problem with an undertaking like this.
COLONEL DEAN: So --
MEMBER WRIGHT: It's the accuracy, and
literally it'll be set in stone. So if the
Barker brothers are trying to get paid for it,
well, okay, that's one thing. But how will DoD
and Interior collaborate to ensure accuracy
without the participation of the Barker brothers?
MEMBER MAY: The legislation states
that the DoD shall provide the list of names one
time. We do not, and we have not in the past
with other memorials, gotten into the business of
vetting any names. So it won't be a
collaboration, we will look to receive that list
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from them.
And the legislation was written
specifically this way to avoid the process that
has been playing out at Vietnam, where people
continue to want to add names to it. Now, there
are reasons why names get added, and they do get
added. But we rely on DoD to provide those
names. We rely on the Vietnam Veterans Memorial
Foundation to actually add the names.
But you know, again, because this was
further in the past and the records were not as
clear, we actually insisted on this being in the
legislation to make sure that what we got was one
list at one time, and that is what it will be. I
just, you know, I leave it up to DoD to make sure
that it's correct. Got that?
(Laughter.)
COLONEL DEAN: So I'll give you an
inference. If you were an Air Force bomber and
you flew from some island that wasn't near Korea
but you were flying there, the Barker brothers
would consider that a loss from the Korean War,
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even though they weren't in the battle area. And
that's some of those boundaries and definitions
that Department of Defense has to decide on to
fulfill this list.
MEMBER WRIGHT: And so one more
question. So at what, so at what point will the
list, the final list be implemented?
MEMBER MAY: I'm not going to -- look
to my fellow commissioner to answer that.
MEMBER WRIGHT: I mean, I think the
accuracy matters here. And so is it going to,
are, so are they going to deliver? They haven't
made the list already final.
COLONEL DEAN: So our foundation has
submitted three letters to the Secretary of
Defense to provide the list of names to us. They
still haven't provided us the list of names yet.
MEMBER MAY: If we need to weigh in to
try to push that along, certainly we would help
push the Department of Defense to provide the
list of names that they're required to provide
under law. But I think that there will be time
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between now and when the memorial is constructed
to get it all done and finalized.
And you know, we can look at a draft
list of names whenever that's ready or whatever.
But if we want to, you know, at a certain point
we will want to have that final list, and that's
what will be needed in order to construct it.
MEMBER WRIGHT: And one last thing I
swear. So in the design, is there adequate room
for addition if 20 years from now it's discovered
that DoD made a mistake and left a bunch of
people out?
COLONEL DEAN: Yes.
MEMBER MAY: If I might say, I have
advised the design team that even though the
legislation says there'll be one list of names
and one time, that you never know what the
Congress may decide in the future. Right now
they are debating a bill that would add a
significant number of names to the Vietnam
Memorial.
MEMBER WRIGHT: Right.
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MEMBER MAY: And we don't have room
for them.
MEMBER WRIGHT: Right, that's why I'm
asking.
MEMBER MAY: So we, I have advised
them to make sure that we plan for some
additional space.
By the way, next month we'll bringing
another memorial wall with names that needs to be
enlarged.
MEMBER WRIGHT: Exactly, I mean, then
we'll have a billboard over, you know, to the
north.
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: We will do
everything we can to plan for that possibility.
This is outside of our control. We understand
the process, thank you for that clarifying.
I'd like to look for a motion to
approve the comments on concept design for --
MEMBER WRIGHT: So moved.
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: This memorial
wall.
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MEMBER MAY: Second.
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Thank you. All in
favor of the motion, please signify by saying
aye.
(Chorus of ayes.)
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Any opposed?
Unanimous, thank you. Thank you, Ms. Lee, good
luck to you. We'll miss you.
INFORMATION PRESENTATION
JOHNS HOPKINS UNIVERSITY
Okay, we have -- thank you for all the
beautiful exhibits, very helpful, Brian. We have
two information presentations to come. First up
is a presentation on the plans by Johns Hopkins
University for the building now used by the
museum and located within the area covered by the
Pennsylvania Avenue plan and design guidelines.
Ms. Ridgely will walk us through this.
Thank you.
MS. RIDGELY: Good afternoon,
Commission members. We have an interesting
information presentation for you today from Johns
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Hopkins University regarding the conversion of
the Newseum Building located at 555 Pennsylvania
Avenue. This ties into one of the topics from
your Commission retreat related to the regulation
of private facilities.
As you may know, Johns Hopkins is in
the process of purchasing the building and
transforming it into their new consolidated
Washington Campus for advanced academic programs.
They're here today to share some background
information on the project and early design work
on the building renovation.
Before they get started, though, I
would like to briefly share some information on
the upcoming review process related to this
project, as it's a little bit different than most
projects that the Commission sees.
As you may know, land within the
Pennsylvania Avenue Development Corporation
boundary, or PADC boundary, including the private
property located north of the avenue, is subject
to a congressionally mandated review for
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conformance with the PADC's Pennsylvania Avenue
plan, general guidelines, and square guidelines.
The boundary established by an act of
Congress in 1972 is shown in orange here on the
screen. Most of the time, the projects conform
with the existing plan and guideline language,
and staff writes up a delegated EDR. But
sometimes the proposed changes require amendments
to the plan and square guidelines.
And this has happened a few times in
the recent past, including the FBI site in 2015-
16, 1301 Penn in 2009, the former Spy Museum site
up at 8th and F Streets back in 2004, and the
Newseum at an earlier date back in 2003.
As Mr. Flis noted in the World War I
memorial presentation, this area also overlaps
with the Pennsylvania Avenue National historic
site. There are also three historic districts
and the Shipstead-Luce Act in this area.
So what exactly will be amended here?
The PADC developed three levels of planning
guidance, and we're looking to amend two of them.
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The first level is the PADC plan. It provides
general guidance on how to redevelop and maintain
land within the PADC boundary. The first part of
the PADC plan includes area-wide planning
principles such as land use, transportation
systems, a uniform streetscape and landscape.
The second part of the plan includes
an evaluation of the area on a block-by-block
basis and included potential development
scenarios at a high level. Its last
comprehensive update was back in 1990. So the
Commission will review proposed amendments to the
section on square 491, at 555 Pennsylvania Avenue
in December.
At the second level are the general
guidelines. These highlight the need to employ
best design practices for things like urban
design, historic preservation, pedestrian
circulation, and others. Its guidance is applied
to the entire PADC development area. And there
are no proposed amendments to this document.
Now, at a more detailed site scale,
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the square guidelines evaluate the square and its
surrounding context for site-specific guidance on
elements like building envelope, build-to lines,
the height, land use, curb cuts, etc. And the
square guidelines are used in conjunction with
local zoning regulations to provide the most
guidance for development.
Now, the Commission will review
proposed amendments to the square guidelines in
spring of 2020.
So these amendments are all triggered
by the proposed change in the overall land use.
In this case, we're shifting from a museum use
over to an educational or institutional use. And
the building design, which includes changes to
the interior gross square footage and the
building's facade, also trigger that proposed
change.
Now, the Commission plays a key role
in this process, and we're going to break it up
into two parts. Part one will cover amending the
plan and will be coordinated with a concept
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review of the site and building renovations in
December. Now, as I mentioned earlier, the plan
contains more general language on the development
of square 491, which actually also includes the
Canadian Embassy.
If approved, GSA will transmit that
plan amendment to Congress, where it has 60 days
to review the change. If no action is taken, the
amendment is approved.
Part two of this effort will cover
amending the square guidelines along with
preliminary and possibly final review of the site
and building renovations in spring of 2020.
These do not require Commission, or I'm sorry,
Congressional approval.
I hope this provides some information
on the review process. I'm also happy to answer
any questions at the end of the presentation.
Without further ado, I would like to hand things
over to Mr. Mitch Bonanno, the Chief Real Estate
Office for Johns Hopkins, and Richard Olcott, the
Design Partner at Ennead Architects, to share an
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overview on this important project.
MR. BONANNO: Thank you so much.
Commissioners, thank you for hearing us today.
Your staff has been a pleasure to work with and
we greatly appreciate their support so far. We
are very excited to be here today to present the
revisioning of 555 Pennsylvania Avenue to the new
home and DC academic center for Johns Hopkins
University.
We have a long history in DC,
including three buildings that we currently own
on Mass. Avenue near Dupont Circle, as we
mentioned, that house the SAIS program, Krieger
School of Advanced Academic Programs, and the
Carey Business School. These are all graduate
programs that we plan to consolidate to this
location.
With that, I am just going to cover a
brief bit of context. The building as you know
is on Pennsylvania Avenue right at 6th street,
with C Street behind it. Just a couple of
perspective views of the location, I am sure you
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all know it very, very well, so I will be brief
here.
But just talking about the goals here,
again, we've been in the District for a long time
and we have looked at our future, whether we
renovate the existing buildings, move somewhere
else, consolidate.
Nobody is happy that the Newseum is
closing, but when this opportunity came along and
it was listed for sale, it really just became a
great opportunity to anchor this location. And
we look at this as a hundred-year decision to
make this our academic center.
So we are space-constrained where we
are today, not so much for classrooms but
convening space, flexibility. So this creates a
completely different environment to be able to
host events from Baltimore, vice versa, increase
those connections. Obviously create a
collaborative learning environment and provide
flexibility for the future of higher ed.
So the design objectives, obviously a
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monumental area and location. And we went back
to the original building architect. So Ennead
Architects is the successor firm to the Polshek
Partnership, who designed the original building.
We partnered with the SmithGroup as well, local
DC architect, to come up with this design, and
you will hear from them.
But obviously the historic context,
the scale, the materiality, the local image are
so important, and you'll hear from the architects
themselves about that.
But I want to focus on this last one,
enliven and extend the hours along Pennsylvania
Avenue. We feel like we really bring a different
use to this area, and are actually really excited
about this area for that reason, especially the
open space across the street and the fountain.
And you'll see in the design, we've
tried to design an entrance that we feel like
connects those. We think it will be used by
students, faculty, visitors, and others off
hours. Again, we have a lot of night programs,
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weekend programs, so we're really excited about
having that space nearby.
I just want to point out this was a
very purpose-built facility. What works well as
a museum does not really work well for a higher
ed space. So light was purposefully restricted
into this building to create exhibit space, so a
lot of our design is opening up the facade to get
more light into the building.
And as you can see or may know, the
entire back of the building on C Street is a
residential building that is part of this project
as well, but it doesn't allow the ability to get
light in from the back of the building at all.
And then just to the east of it is the Canadian
Embassy, so that's a blank wall as well.
So focused on the facade, getting
light into the building, opening up the space and
making it possible for the future of higher ed.
And with that, I'm going to turn the
presentation over to Richard Olcott with Ennead
Architects to talk further about design. And
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happy to answer any questions later. Thank you.
MR. OLCOTT: Good afternoon, everyone.
I think you've all seen, you know well this
building. And maybe I should just make a few
comments on the, as was mentioned, this is
obviously a purpose-built building for a major
museum program, and a large part of the original
idea of this building was this great big window,
which allowed you to literally see into the
building and see the big screen inside.
That actually represents a lot of real
estate, that big window, that big opening in the
facade. I think they paid a terrible for all of
that lost square footage. And so that's one of
the things I think that our clients, Johns
Hopkins, realized that there was a lot of really
fantastic space that could be had there.
So I'm going to just go through the
various changes here that we are proposing. And
first and foremost of them is actually to infill
that window because it does not serve the
purposes of this new institution. And so we
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really, what we're proposing to do is primarily
do work on the, I'm going to call it the first
bar.
You see the number one there, there
are three big kind of linear bars that make the
diagram of this building. So firstly, to infill
that large opening.
And then you'll see to reclad that the
volume itself, which is currently almost entirely
glass in stone, I am going to talk more about
that in a moment, all while optimizing the
daylight, as Mitch mentioned. Because actually,
although it is glass, a lot of it is not
transparent glass.
We are also proposing to reclad the,
to redo the fins on the second bar so that they
have more to do with that of the first. And then
the third one, to infill those small, there are
two little small balconies that are let into the
facade. You see the little squares on the top
there.
And also to extend in plan the
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elevator bulkhead that you see in the very top of
the building. We're putting an entirely new
elevator core in the building because currently
in museums where their elevators take you from
the basement to the roof, you know, and then you
walk all the way down. That is obviously not a
diagram that works for an academic building
that's got hundreds of people moving between
floors.
And then lastly, and most importantly
I think for today, we want to talk about the
urban condition of this building and the
streetscape. We are proposing to relocate the
entrance, which is currently in the center of the
facade, underneath the cantilever and move it
east towards the Capitol and make it larger, more
apparent, more welcoming and actually build out a
plinth that you'll see in a lot more detail in a
moment.
Currently, the building, you have to
go in and go up 18 inches to get in, the first
floor slab is slightly above the street. So we,
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and we're also proposing to open up a lot of the
space to the east, where it's wider, to create a
new publicly accessible café space and really try
and generate more street life than the building
currently provides.
So, let me go -- and on the inside,
this is a section through the building, what you
see is actually we're reordering a lot of the
floors and actually removing some and adding
others in order to get better and more flexible
appropriate ceiling height space for an academic
institution.
We are, as I mentioned, infilling the
big window you see on the right, where it's new
slabs. And we are maintaining but slightly
reshaping the very large atrium, which becomes
the kind of central focus of the building.
As you can see here, we are calling it
kind of a vertical quad, in which all of the
different programs of the building actually kind
of present themselves on the atrium and also
provide a lot of daylight, as Mitch mentioned, to
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try and bring light into that space and get light
deep back into the building.
So, on the ground floor here, as I
mentioned, you can see, and you'll see this in a
lot more detail in a moment, but there is a new
and very wide entrance in the center flipped to
east towards the Capitol.
We are proposing to have a very
shallow kind of feathered ramp that you see where
it says, Welcome zone there, that takes you up
slightly. And then a set of very shallow steps.
And then you enter the building in a much wider
vestibule than you do currently.
And you see to the right, where
they're shown in purple there, public access into
the building to a new café kind of food service
facility and a lot of hopefully seating on the
sidewalk itself to create a kind of much more
lively condition than currently exists.
Also on the left, some sort of program
that is still being defined that is very visible
and very accessible to the public, and hopefully
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more vibrant. Currently, as you know, there is
all of those newspapers that are wonderful to
look at, but you can't see into the building
beyond them really.
So there's a significant amount of
change you can see inside the building. There is
the new elevator core, straight to the back. As
I go forward here, so in terms of the facade
treatment, this is a diagram showing the, how the
building was originally conceived so that the
first bar lines up with the building to the west
of where the Capital Grille is.
And the second bar is aligned with the
Canadian Embassy to its east. And that is not
changing in any way. In fact, really the only
change to the bulk at all that I mention is one,
to infill the window and two, the very small
addition to elevate bulkhead on the roof.
And you'll see here same thing is true
in elevation. All of those alignments that were
originally created when this building was done 12
or more years ago is carefully aligned with the
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Canadian Embassy on it first setback and its
second setback, and also the third one, which
touches the top of the National Gallery set
height across the street. All of that remains in
place.
In terms of materials, we're very
interested in trying to take our place on
Pennsylvania Avenue among a number of very
distinguished buildings and trying to adapt a
palette that would be contextual and be
neighborly to that.
So we've been looking carefully at
using actually Tennessee marble if we are able
to. There's an ongoing discussion with that
quarry, which is, as you all know, the same stone
as the East Building and the West Building of the
National Gallery.
And then various other materials that
are intended to create a kind of warm palette
that has very much to do with the institutional
nature and stone nature of Pennsylvania Avenue.
Going a little closer, you'll see here
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this is a detail of the stone wall. We are
proposing, as I mentioned, to clad that first bar
in stone and also a glass that has a copper inner
layer. Again, providing kind of warm color.
Currently the building has a lot of
green and very cool colors on it, which we found
to be maybe not as contextual as it could be. So
this is all really in the service of trying to
fit in better than we do now.
So this is what that proposal looks
like, and there is still conversation. By the
way, I should add we did go to the Commission of
Fine Arts two weeks ago and received a concept
approval, conditional on further exploration of
the actual stone type and finish, and so we're
still working on that. But in general it was
very enthusiastically received.
And this has to do with the major move
here is to kind of, to rethink the big window and
create a big aperture, which really references
itself as it did before to the Canadian Embassy
and its monumental aperture and raking a much, a
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big gesture that is down the avenue to the
Capitol.
You see a floating volume in there,
which is a very big gathering space that's part
of the program that'll be a flexible meeting
room, theater, gathering space that'll be really
part of the heart and soul of the program. And
you can also see, you'll see in more detail, the
plinth that I described that extends out slightly
from under that cantilever.
As I go forward here I can show you a
few other views. Here, showing a little more
zoomed in from the other corner looking at the
corner entrance, sliding it down and making it
much more apparent than it is now and opening it
out to this new public plaza space that will have
café facilities in it you see there to the very
right in the image.
So a word, a few more words but now in
detail on the entrance. Here's the existing
condition and certainly it's true, it's where's
the door. It's a little hard to find. That is,
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it is between the newspapers there in the center.
And it should also be noted this was
actually a design very much predicated on the
idea that there are lines of people that have to
go through security and get a ticket and do all
those sorts of things.
So in this building you enter into
that rather dark opening. You'll see here a plan
in a moment. There where it says 555, there's a
recessed entrance. You walk into that small
overhang, the outside space, through a vestibule,
and then you go right and you go left and you go
up a ramp and go through metal detectors, etc.,
etc.
So we're proposing to kind of untwist
that sequence so that you can go straight into
the building, it's much more apparent, and
actually pull out a plinth so that it becomes a
more welcoming and gracious way to enter the
building than it currently is.
Thinking carefully about the sidewalk
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all the while here, we just wanted to talk about
that condition. If you see in orange, I mean in
yellow, rather, on the top you see in the larger
context what actually happens. Although the
sidewalk gets very wide, the effective width of
it isn't really that at all because the embassy
has a phalanx of planters all the way around it
that are forty-some feet away from the building.
That's their security perimeter, where you are
heavily discouraged from walking.
So the effective sidewalk where it
says A and B there is 14 foot 8, which is the
clear distance between the tree pits that are out
by the street. Same is true if you keep going
east and they have a gate over their driveway.
And if you kept going farther east to the park
there, it has a flight of steps all the way along
it, the same 14 foot 8.
So what we're proposing is to -- and
you can see also in the dark blue, the
cantilever, that's the line of the building
above, that is cantilevered out. And then when
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you cross the street to the west, it actually
gets a little narrower, the affected width there
in front of the Capital Grille at 601.
So, here now you see this is something
we were looking at as an idea of a precedent,
which is a very wide and shallow plinth that
takes you up very slightly, and then you enter
the building in a much more welcoming way than
the way it currently is configured, under the
overhang, again.
So this is what, this is now the
proposed solution, and you see a much wider
vestibule with four pairs of doors that take you
in, either from the east, from the plaza, or from
the south, from the avenue itself, a pair of
planter plinth walls on either side of some very
long and shallow steps there.
There are three steps up, and then as
you get to the western side, there's a shallow
ramp because what's actually happening is the
street is sloping very gradually down to the west
from the east.
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So there's a very commodious plinth
that is pulled out, but it's still maintaining
the width of that sidewalk all the way across,
aligning with the planters from the embassy. And
then under the cantilever above you into a glass
vestibule.
Which and so here you see that in
slightly more detail, the property line in red,
the overhang of the building in blue. And how,
and so those planters are actually out there at
the same line again as the one that is coming
from the embassy next door, and a very wide and
gracious plinth to stand on before we enter the
vestibule and the building itself.
And that, this is what that might look
like. The stair tower exists and will remain,
the glass stair tower, but the new front bar of
the building reclad in hopefully Tennessee marble
and with a very nice place to sit, to gather on
the front there. The steps to the left, and a
very shallow ramp where you see the two people
walking to the right almost level, actually.
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And then here you see that again from
the west side looking east and something much
more visible looking in through the glass there
to see much more activity and life inside the
building than currently one can do.
And with that, I think Mitch, you want
to say a few words about the schedule.
MR. BONANNO: Don't go far.
MR. OLCOTT: Okay.
MR. BONANNO: So we were asked just to
talk briefly about a schedule for the project.
So obviously we are here in October now. We do
plan to go back to CFA again just to work through
the facade comments we received and assure we are
good for their future approval when we submit
building plans.
And then we have a formal hearing with
a requested action from this group in December.
So the January CFA, that will be optional,
depending on how the second review goes. And
then obviously working with you all to finalize
the preliminary and final square guideline
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1 review. Hopefully by the spring, actually in for
2 building permit.
3 And we plan to acquire the building
4 sometime this summer and start construction very
5 shortly thereafter. And it will take about two
6 and a half years to do this significant amount of
7 work on the building before we are moving folks
8 over.
9 So, thank you very much and happy to
10 answer any questions.
11 [INSERT - JOHNS HOPKINS UNIVERSITY]
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VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Thank you very
much, gentlemen. Thank you, good to see you,
Mitch. Any comments, questions at this time?
This is a very ambitious undertaking to be sure.
Yes.
MEMBER DIXON: I just wondered is the
space you now use on Mass Avenue going to be
combined with here also?
MR. BONANNO: So we're going to
consolidate all the programs from Mass. --
MEMBER DIXON: Everything, okay.
MR. BONANNO: And our intent is
actually to likely sell the buildings on Mass.
Avenue thereafter.
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: It was a little
bit hard to follow some of the description of the
plan and so forth, and appreciate your
information. But you know, understanding the
entryway and the plinth, I don't know if there's
a way that we'll get to see materials in advance
so we can look at them in the future before we
see, hear, you know, hear your presentation would
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be beneficial.
Because there's a lot going on in this
building, and the, I'm, you know, this is such a
dramatic space in a very important location. And
I can feel the weight of your decision-making as
you're trying to balance all of the aspects of
function and form and design. And we'll, I know
that we're going to be very interested in how you
resolve all that in your concepts going forward.
Any other questions or comments? No?
Okay, well thank you so much, we appreciate the
time and the information at this state.
MR. OLCOTT: Thanks very much.
INFORMATION PRESENTATION
ARLINGTON NATIONAL CEMETERY SOUTHERN EXPANSION
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Okay. And the
last item on the agenda is also an information
presentation on the Arlington National Cemetery
southern expansion, another very important
undertaking here in this region.
Mr. Hart will give the presentation,
thank you.
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MR. HART: Yeah, I wasn't sure how
ambitious your walk was this morning, so I wasn't
sure you got a --
(Laughter.)
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: No, I'd probably
get run over by the time.
MR. HART: You know, it's, you know,
it's you never know. It could have been a very,
you know, interesting walk for you.
MEMBER WRIGHT: He did a step count on
Pennsylvania Avenue.
(Simultaneous speaking.)
MR. HART: Korean War memorial. This
is, you know, go across the Memorial Bridge, just
about --
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: I'll probably hit
it next time though.
MR. HART: So good afternoon, members
of the Commission. The Arlington National
Cemetery representatives are here today to
present an overview of the southern expansion
project, which is located of course at Arlington
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National Cemetery in Arlington County, Virginia.
This presentation is in anticipation
of this project being formally submitted to the
Commission for review by the end of this year.
So this is the second of two recent
expansion projects at the cemetery. The first
was the Millennium Project, which the Commission
approved back in 2013. This 23-acre site
included approximately 22,000 new burial spaces.
The Millennium Project, which you see here in the
northwestern portion of the Arlington National
Cemetery, took several years to complete, and it
opened in September 2018.
The southern expansion site, which is
also shown at the bottom of this slide, is
located just south of the existing, the southern
portion of the existing 624-acre cemetery
property. The cemetery, the Arlington National
Cemetery folks, the staff, note that this
expansion will increase the cemetery burial
capacity by 40-60,000 first internment spaces.
And just for your information, first
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internments refer to the first member of a family
laid to rest at one of the burial spaces at the
cemetery.
So as you may be aware, the southern
expansion site was the, at least a portion of it,
was the former home of the Navy Annex Building,
which is shown here. You can actually see the
Air Force Memorial in the image on the right.
The Washington Headquarters Services transferred
this land to the US Army in 2012. The building,
the Navy Annex Building was demolished, and the
site is currently vacant.
So this is the site, which is outlined
with this dotted line. It is, as you can kind of
tell, divided by a number of roadways. In order
to allow for a larger contiguous land area for
burials, the cemetery expansion project will
necessitate changes in the existing roadway
configuration.
And to put that in a little context,
you really wouldn't want to have any burial space
of any of that land to be isolated from the rest
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of the cemetery. So this project will require a
change in the current land ownership,
particularly with Southgate Road, which you see
identified here, kind of in the middle of the
slide, and Columbia Pike, which kind of cuts
through this side, and I'll show those in a
little bit more detail.
Landowners in this area include the
federal government, the Department of the Army.
The area in yellow is the former Navy Annex site.
You see Arlington National Cemetery, which is
actually the area that's kind of pink-purplish at
the top of the site, and the Air Force Memorial,
which the Air Force has a 50-year permit from the
Army for the memorial site.
The state government also has some
property here. This is the Virginia Department
of Transportation. You see the area that's kind
of in orange in the bottom left hand portion of
this site, which is the west, there is a VDOT,
Virginia Department of Transportation, salt dome.
And then finally, the local government
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has a number of roadways, Southgate Road,
Columbia Pike, and South Joyce Street, that cut
through the site. And as the project is reliant
on the Columbia Pike realignment, discussions
concerning the transfer and compensation terms
for this land have been ongoing for several years
with Arlington County and VDOT, and this is,
these are still ongoing.
Columbia Pike is a major connection
point into Pentagon City, which is to the south
of this, and Crystal City from the rest of
Arlington County. If you're not aware, 395
actually kind of makes somewhat of a barrier for
getting into both Crystal City and Pentagon City,
and Columbia Pike provides that access.
So the realignment here, which is
shown in white, has been an integral part of this
project. This realignment is the result of an
extensive conversation between the Army and
various stakeholders, including Arlington County
and VDOT. This roadway is now part of the, of a
Defense Access Roadway project. And you, that's
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really what you're seeing here.
The portions of the road network that
will be removed are kind of hatched. This
defense access roadway project has its own
process that is being overseen by the Federal
Highway Administration. And this will need to be
submitted for Commission review in the future.
So with that kind of background, I'd
like to welcome Mr. Gregg Schwieterman, who is
the Senior Project Manager with HNTB, the
consultant for the project, who will provide an
overview of the project design, focusing on the
major land use changes for the cemetery, the
multi-modal corridor through the site,
topographic challenges with the site, and the new
entrance into the cemetery.
Thank you, and welcome, Mr.
Schwieterman.
MR. SCHWIETERMAN: Thank you, Carlton.
We appreciate the opportunity to introduce the
project to the Commission, and we want to thank
Arlington National Cemetery and the US Corps of
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Engineers for trusting us with this tremendous
responsibility.
This truly will be a transformative
project for this area. As we go through it,
Carlton already stole much of my thunder on all
the major components, but we'll go over the
program overview. I'd like to talk to you a
little bit about how the program's evolved.
We started this process five years ago
after a master plan, so I believe it was Mr.
Fountain said the years he's had into it, he's
probably one of the few people who can
commiserate with how challenging these projects
can be. But we wouldn't have it any other way.
The other things we'll hit on are some
of the design objectives so you're clear on what
we're trying to achieve through this design. And
then the design challenges and opportunities that
come along with a project like this and the site.
I'll go over existing conditions
briefly. You can see in context here how the
southern expansion ties to both the Memorial
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Avenue, Eisenhower, which is that main
thoroughfare, and then obviously you have
Millennium on the upper left hand corner.
On the left side, you can see the
dashed-in site area, but you can see on the
righthand side we placed the program on the site
so you can understand why we call it
transformative.
You can really see how this edge
condition's going to change and tie together this
monumental corridor of commemorative sites, with
the 9/11 Memorial, the potential future 9/11
Visitor Education Center, the Air Force Memorial,
and Arlington National Cemetery.
As we look a little closer at the
site, just to go over the existing conditions one
more time so you can understand the context we're
in, you got Joint Base Myer Henderson Hall to the
west. We also have Foxcroft Heights, that poses
some challenges. Arlington National Cemetery
doesn't have any residential sites adjacent to it
now, so how we handle that is a sensitive topic.
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We have Columbia Pike, the Air Force
memorial, the VDOT facility, 395, VA 27, VA 27 to
the far east of the project. You note the
Pentagon Memorial, as well as the existing
service complex. And as we look out, we're going
to transform the overall program. These are the
major components that are going into the cemetery
expansion, starting with our predecessor project.
The predecessor project is the defense
access road project. That is a separate project
being led by the Federal Highway Administration.
It's funded by the DoD for impacts on DoD
activities on the community. And it's more than
just a roadway realignment, it's also realigning
utilities, which are important. You can't inter
on top of utilities.
So that's our predecessor project,
which makes what Carlton mentioned, Southgate
Road, a partial demolition and partial demolition
of South Joyce and Columbia Pike possible by a
new road, which is South Nash running on the west
edge of our proposed cemetery site.
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And then you can see we took, if you
will, the hump out of Columbia Pike, which
shortened Joyce Street, and really took the
cloverleaf on the far east side of VA 27 and
turned it into a tight diamond.
So that's our existing condition, so
we're sort of designing, it's challenging for the
team because you're designing to a future
condition that isn't there yet and it's changing
with negotiations with the different
stakeholders.
But what that leaves us with is the
potential future site for the 9/11 Visitor
Education Center, which is the on east side of
South Joyce St. You have the south parcel. On
that south parcel you have an access control
point, a parking garage that'll provide parking
for visitors to Arlington National Cemetery,
visitors to the Air Force Memorial, and employees
for the new ops complex.
You'll note that to -- we maximized
interable space by relocating the existing
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service complex south of Columbia Pike. And to
do that, we had to, we have to design a tunnel
underneath Columbia Pike to connect to the
cemetery.
This is where we were at 15 percent
design. This is an important moment because some
of the major things that impact circulation occur
between 15 percent and 35 percent, notably, the
Air Force Memorial.
You'll notice the way the Air Force
Memorial was designed today, it is a peninsula
off of Columbia Pike. You can see it's designed
really to provide vehicular access off of
Columbia Pike, and the design at 15 percent
didn't embrace it. It really, for all intents
and purposes, put a wall around that site.
The other major change for us, you'll
see for access to south of Columbia Pike, we had
it off of, or access to the south parcel, excuse
me, we had it off of Columbia Pike. The cemetery
put the requirement on it that every vehicle
should have the ability to be screened.
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So if you're familiar with the
requirements for access control points, that's a
pretty darn tight site to try to make one work.
That drove the access to South Joyce Street. So
the 35 percent site plan looks like this.
To recap on the major evolution of the
project, you can see here we've tried to
integrate the Air Force Memorial into the
southern expansion design. You see we moved that
access point to South Joyce Street. And overall,
I think it's a good time now to touch on our
design objectives.
So with the contiguous land for the
cemetery expansion, our primary objective is to
have a seamless expansion. We don't want to walk
away from this project and have people know it as
the southern expansion project. It will be
Arlington National Cemetery when we are complete.
For the Air Force Memorial, we touched
on it. You'll notice we're restricting vehicular
access now. There will be no more public access
for vehicles to the Air Force Memorial. They
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will be driven to the garage or will visit it
from within the cemetery.
To put that in a little bit of
context, the Air Force Memorial currently has
350,000 visitors a year, and the cemetery has 3.5
million visitors. As you imagine, when people
visit this, there's going to be a whole different
experience for visitors coming from the cemetery
side.
We can't just put a wall around that,
so this is an extremely sensitive part of the
design that we're looking forward to the
Commission's opinions on it, we're working with
the Commission of Fine Arts, we're working with
the Air Force District Washington, as well as the
Army.
The other design objective is Columbia
Pike. This realignment we're working closely
with the federal highways because we want this to
be a model multi-modal corridor, more of a
parkway. It should not only provide a, I think
we're at a ten-foot bi-directional bicycle path,
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and eight-foot sidewalk on the north side as well
as a eight-foot sidewalk on the south side.
But the additional landscaping serves
to make that more of a parkway and continues the
language and vocabulary of Arlington National
Cemetery.
We can't make 395 go away, we can't
change the flight path of the helicopters to the
Pentagon, but we can do what we can. And we
think that as we do that and we look at Columbia
Pike, we look at that really consistent with what
we want to do in that south parcel.
So the objective of the south parcel
is really to disappear and to continue that
vegetative buffer of the Columbia Pike off of the
cemetery. So from the cemetery, it continues to
provide that acoustic and visual buffer. And
from 395, and you'll see in fly-through here
momentarily, it really becomes a landscape base,
a datum if you will, for the Air Force Memorial.
People who arrive in DC, if you come
from George Washington -- or Reagan Airport, as
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soon as you get on 395, this is one of the most
visually prominent memorials in the nation. It
is, we've all grown to love it, it's a beautiful
memorial, and we don't want to detract from it.
We want people to look right over the ops complex
and south parcel at this memorial.
So to do all this, there are a lot of
challenges. We have a lot of stakeholders. We
have a lot of access challenges. There's a
challenging topography. This side here you can
see we have over 100 feet of drop from west to
east. And really, that provided a lot of
opportunities.
If you've been to Arlington National
Cemetery, the rolling topography is really one of
the most beautiful aspects, and we've worked very
hard in design to make sure that we maintain
that.
It also provided us an opportunity to
depress the ops complex so we could get access
under that tunnel without a major impact to the
cemetery and provide that visual buffer we
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discussed earlier.
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Excuse me, can you
just say where the tunnel's coming through? It's
hard to tell.
MR. SCHWIETERMAN: Yes.
MR. HART: Here, I can do it.
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Where is it?
MR. HART: So it's, the tunnel itself
is coming through right about here. And it comes
through and then it goes this way.
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Yes.
MR. SCHWIETERMAN: So at about here.
MR. HART: Yes, sir.
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Thank you. It
wasn't where I was seeing it. Thank you.
MR. SCHWIETERMAN: And that really,
sir, has a lot to do with where those elevations
are. That is the high point. We also want to
make sure we didn't preclude the opportunity for
streetcars in the future. So there are a lot of,
it's one of those projects where you tug on the
string here and, you know, there goes your sleeve
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here. And it was a real balancing act.
I'll also point out the tunnel in the
fly-through, I don't know if the fly-through, I
think you may have to do it.
MR. HART: I'm not sure if, I wasn't
sure if anything was actually starting with this.
MR. SCHWIETERMAN: Let's see. There
you go. So this is a, this sort of gives you
some of the ideas of what we're challenged with
from a topography, view shed, access standpoint.
This is the site, and then hopefully this is my
big whizbang thing, so if this doesn't work, I
don't have much left. Here we go.
MR. HART: I didn't realize this
actually worked.
MR. SCHWIETERMAN: It's a video. So
this is, it helps to give you sort of that
perspective, right. You come down. This is that
view from VA 27 when you come past the Pentagon
on the left and that wall on the right. It's
this great view of the cemetery and the Air Force
Memorial. You see, that's the Sheraton Hotel in
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the background.
We were very deliberate on landscaping
to mimic the vocabulary of the existing cemetery.
So as you come around, we use that Air Force
Memorial really as a visual anchor, and we don't
do that just here. We think of that as really an
anchor to our southern expansion.
You get a look at the columbaria, the
goal of this columbaria is really to be less
inward looking and more a part of the cemetery.
And that's why we bring that landscaping in. You
get a glimpse of that tunnel there, sir. And it
curves around and it doesn't show so well here.
But it's right to the left of those garage doors.
And you can see how we really
depressed down that so from here, that really
functions great for the cemetery. But from the
outside perspective, it just completely
disappears from view.
So as you come down here you'll get a
little bit of glimpse of what you're going to see
from 395, VA 27, which if you drive this enough,
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it can be a stopping point.
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: And this is
parking here for the visitors, or what?
MR. SCHWIETERMAN: Yes. So it, we
have to be super clear. We never intend to
replace Memorial Avenue, and that is the primary
access. However, what we did want to do is
provide parking for the Air Force Memorial and
maybe visitors to loved ones on that side of the
cemetery.
And then also we have a requirement to
provide parking for the employees that will be
working at the ops complex.
MEMBER DIXON: So that entrance can be
used by businesses to the cemetery.
MR. SCHWIETERMAN: Yes.
MEMBER DIXON: If they have the right
credentials.
MR. SCHWIETERMAN: So I have three
vignettes that kind of speak a little bit to
access and that question exactly. I believe the
first one is going to be at South Joyce Street,
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looking up to the Air Force Memorial, and you'll
get a little bit of that landscape frame we
described.
The second image is going to be just
where you spoke of, sir, it's going to be right
at that access point. We're going to introduce a
new pedestrian access screening building. We
talk about that, it's, there's a new requirement,
if you've been to ANC recently, now you have to
be screened.
This facility is more akin to the
screening at the Ord Weitzel gate, which is a
tent, than it is to the Welcome Center. So think
of it more as a glorified, you know, it's a
really understated building to provide security,
not just for the cemetery, but it's an
opportunity to combine that for the Air Force as
well. So we're working with them so you don't
have the double requirement to have security.
And then when you get into the
cemetery at that point, you have the option, you
can be at the Air Force Memorial, you can get on
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the trolley, you go to the columbaria. So really
what we want to do is provide that flexibility.
And I think there's a couple more
slides after that, but the other one you'll see
it's within the cemetery, and you'll really see
how powerful the Air Force Memorial, it already
is, but you don't know how to get to it. And
we're excited about tying that in to our --
MEMBER DIXON: How does it connect to
Pershing Drive, or what drive does it connect to?
MR. SCHWIETERMAN: So it'll come down
Eisenhower, and then all those roads you see
there.
MEMBER DIXON: Right, I got you, okay.
MR. SCHWIETERMAN: Right now they're
alpha, beta, you know, that's a whole, that's out
of my pay grade.
MR. HART: I think that, is this the
tip of --
MR. SCHWIETERMAN: Eisenhower.
MR. HART: Eisenhower?
MR. SCHWIETERMAN: Yes, sir.
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MR. HART: And can you move forward.
MR. SCHWIETERMAN: I'm trying, here we
go. So here we are, we're at South Joyce with
the realigned Columbia Pike push-down. You get a
glimpse there on the right, a Sheraton Gate.
That's a historic gate, we wanted to tip our hat
to the past.
It's a gate that is currently in
storage that we're going to reconstruct at the
intersection of South Joyce to give it sort of
this monumental arrival point to let people know
that, you know, this is Arlington National
Cemetery.
It will be a folly. It is not going
to be a functional gate, because once you have a
functional gate, you're going to have a
tremendous footprint of requirements for
security. So it's really going to be they could
use it on special occasions, but it's more of a
folly than it is an actual, functional gate.
You get a glimpse of the Air Force
Memorial. We're going to go up there in a moment
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and you'll get a look at the proposed access
building. But here you get a look at that
landscape frame and the access point off of South
Joyce Street.
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: I mean, this makes
Columbia, so this is Columbia that I'm looking
left to right here, yeah?
MR. SCHWIETERMAN: Yes, so you're
looking west, sir.
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: This looks, makes
Columbia Pike look very tame, very --
MR. SCHWIETERMAN: Twenty-five miles
an hour, sir.
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Can't wait to see
it.
MR. SCWIETERMAN: And I think one of
the advantages we have is right there, is the
intersection at the Freedman's Bridge there. You
do taper off a lot of the traffic, but I won't
attest to how fast I drive on Columbia Pike.
So here you are with your back to the
parking garage essentially. We want to start the
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visitor experience south of Columbia Pike. And
you can see that's, if you're familiar with the
Air Force Memorial, that's the existing Air Force
Memorial sign on the right. On the left is the
dedication sign.
We're proposing moving that. We're
working with Air Force now and CFA, and we'd love
your feedback on what exactly is the right level
of movement. And you can see the road, the
pedestrian access point over the roadway
crosswalk there. We hope that crosswalk is to be
signalized, not just with flashing yellows, but
to your point with Columbia Pike traffic, it
would be nice to have it be a full, signalized
intersection.
And you can see the Cobble Gate. We
want to underplay that because that will be more
for dignitaries than for the general public. And
this is that view that we spoke of, it's really,
there's a couple great locations in Arlington now
where you get this view, and we're really excited
about tying it in.
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I mean, the challenges we have moving
forward are going to be integrating the Air Force
Memorial and just general integration of the
project into the existing cemetery. The other
major one we spoke of a little bit is going to be
access, not just pedestrian security access, but
vehicular access.
And the other one is going to be the
topography, which we really see as a huge
opportunity, and we're really proud of the design
team for the way they've integrated that
topography into some really creative solutions
for the cemetery.
With that, this is an enlarged plan.
But I think for the anticipated design schedule
moving forward, the slide sort of speaks for
itself. And we'd love to answer any questions
from the Commission.
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VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Well, thank you,
Mr. Schwieterman. I mean, this is really
literally moving heaven and earth for this
project. Mr. Dixon?
MEMBER DIXON: I would also, I think
it's very interesting and exciting. I happen to
have to have been, maybe the only person here,
maybe some staff that was around when we decided
where the Air Force Memorial would be finally.
And it was a huge battle, like you how bad, big
it was. We wanted to be over by Iwo Jima. And
it was a tremendous amount of money we spent in
planning that. It was a great site too.
But then they gave this to us, gave it
to us, I mean gave it to the Air Force. And it's
amazing how it's now becoming a very important
centerpiece in the whole thing.
VICE CHAIR GALLAS: Comments or
questions? This is a lot to absorb. This is
really important. Thank you for helping us to
begin to understand the extent of the work that
you're doing. And this will help us I think
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1 absorb your proposal as we see it in ensuing
2 months.
3 So we look forward to that, and we
4 appreciate your time. Thank you very much.
5 MR. SCHWIETERMAN: Thank you.
6 VICE CHAIR GALLAS: All right. I
7 think if there aren't any further comments or
8 questions, I think this concludes today's open
9 session agenda. And if there's no other
10 business, we're adjourned.
11 (Whereupon, the above-entitled matter
12 went off the record at 3:19 p.m.)
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C E R T I F I C A T E
This is to certify that the foregoing transcript
In the matter of: Commission Meeting
Before: NCPC
Date: 10-03-19
Place: Washington, DC
was duly recorded and accurately transcribed under
my direction; further, that said transcript is a
true and accurate record of the proceedings.
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