The John D. Odegard School for Aerospace Sciences at the University of North Dakota

NTAS 2010 Presentation

Presenters:Jeremy Roesler, Chief Flight Instructor – AirplaneDick Schultz, Associate Director of Flight Operations

Contributors:Elizabeth Bjerke, Associate ProfessorDan Malott, Assistant Professor

UND Students

7 Undergraduate Degree ProgramsMaster of Science in Aviation

Partnership with Tokai University, Japan

International Flight Training Contracts

Aircraft/FTD Fleet

43 – Cessna 17218 – Piper Warrior10 – Piper Arrow15 – Piper Seminole

2 – King Air C90B

2 – Cessna 1502 - Decathelon1 – PA12 Supercruiser

11 – Frasca FTD2 – Frasca Mentor1 – Level 6 CRJ FTD

2 – Bell 206B6 – Schweizer 300C

1 – Boeing Scan Eagle UAV

UND Flight Operation

FY10 – over 118,000 hours (aircraft and FTD)

2009 - 23rd busiest ATC control tower

UND People38 - Academic Faculty250 - Flight Instructors30 - “Flying” Management Staff

FAA and JCAB Designated Examiners on staff

500+ Total Employees

H.R. 3371

“allow specific academic training courses to be credited pursuant to section 11(d)

toward the total flight hours required to receive an airline transport pilot certificate.”

H.R. 3371 Response Considerations

• Where is the balance for collegiate aviation?

– The recruitment and retention of students, vs.

– The stability of the CFI workforce working with those students

ATP Aeronautical Experience Requirements (FAR 61.159)

• 1500 Hours Total Time– 500 Hours Cross-Country Time (33%)– 100 Hours Night Time (7%)– 75 Hours Instrument Time (5%)

• These requirements have been in place since a 1997 rule change…

Comparison between FAA and ICAO

• FAA - Cross-Country Definition for ATP (61.1)– (A) Conducted in an

appropriate aircraft;– (B) That is at least a straight-

line distance of more than 50 nautical miles from the original point of departure; and

– (C) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems.

• ICAO – Cross-Country Definition (Annex 1)– A flight between a point

of departure and a point of arrival following a pre-planned route using standard navigation procedures.

– No distance requirement mentioned

Comparison between FAA and ICAO

• FAA – ATP Aeronautical Experience (61.159)– 1500 Hours Total Time

• 500 Cross-Country Time• 100 Night Time• 75 Instrument Time

• ICAO – ATPL Experience (Annex 1, 2.6.3.1.1)– 1500 Hours Flight Time

• 200 Cross-Country Time• 100 Night Time• 75 Instrument Time

•Why is there a difference in the definition of Cross-Country Time?

•Why is there a difference in the actual hours required of Cross-Country Time?

CFI Experience Survey

• Purpose of Study– Assess the actual experience a typical CFI acquires in relation to the

FAA ATP requirements.• Participants

– Hourly CFIs in a Part 141 environment (Convenient Sample)– N=200

• Data received:– Total flight time– Cross country (50 nm)– Night – Instrument– Length of employment at UND– Career Aspirations

CFI Experience Survey

• Years of CFI employment at UND• 5+ 1• 3-5 11• 2-3 74• 1-2 85• <1 29

• Does not take into consideration:– Part-time vs. full-time employment– Flight instruction employment at other schools/FBOs

CFI Experience Survey

• Aeronautical Experience Averages– Total flight time 864.9– Cross-Country 218 (25%)– Night 115.3 (13%)– Instrument 73.6 (9%)

• At this rate of accumulation, 2000 hours of TT would be needed to acquire the 500 hours of XC time.

• Percentage of XC time decreases the longer an individual acts as a CFI. (This is due to the amount of solo XC time required during initial flight training)

CFI Experience Survey

2.5% currently meet ATP minimums

CFI Experience SurveyATP Minimums

• Total flight time 10%• Night time 46.5%• Instrument time 34.5%

CFI Experience SurveyATP Minimums

• Total flight time 10%• Night time 46.5%• Instrument time 34.5%

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So how could this impact flight training?

• Will CFIs conduct more cross country flights with students that would normally be local flights?– Will this increase training costs for the students?– Will it require a paradigm shift in how we currently

conduct flight training? Change TCOs?

H.R. 3371 Considerations

• Current ATP requirements– FAA definition vs. ICAO definition– XC requirement

• CFIs employed at a Part 141 vs. Part 142 institution– More flight time logged at Part 141 institutions

Career Aspirations of Current CFIs

• When asked of their initial career aspirations 56% stated airline flying.

• Currently only 24% are still considering a career in airlines– Reasons include low pay at airlines, perceived state

of the airline industry and life-style of airline pilot• Current trend we are seeing from our CFIs– Military– Non-aviation related employment– Additional schooling (business courses)

Thank you