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The Hollow Log 1
Inside This Issue
Hollow Spotting This issue’s spotting just grew and grew while I was collecting them. I am always looking for more though. If you have a spotting get in touch.
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Hollows whose roots are not Cornish There are two Hollow families in Montana who are not closely related but the both go back to Cornwall. There is another Hollow family in Montana that is not of Cornish origin. This is part of their story.
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DNA update Two new Hollow DNA
results continue to provide
evidence that the Cornish
Hollows may have one
common ancestor.
Plus
We may have an
explanation for a non-
paternal event that turned
up in our project.
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Odd Spot This Hollow family used the name Hollough for a few years and what at first glance looked like a mistake in the records turns out to have fascinating history.
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This is Norman Harry Hollow, a third generation Hollow. Unlike most Hollows he is Native American, and he is not alone. Photo: Don Doll S.J.
See page 5
Hollows whose roots are not Cornish
This is John Hollow; he has just been inducted into the Helena Sports Hall of Fame for the second time. Photo: Jim Maes
See page 2
Hollow Spotting
Issue 54, August 2019 The Hollow Family Researchers’ Newsletter ISSN 1445-8772
THE HOLLOW LOG
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Hollow Spotting This Hollow spotting was an article in the Helena
Independent Record, a Helena, Montana newspaper in June
of this year. This in turn triggered a memory of a story from
the Seattle Times in 2008.
Because this Log is a bit late the story has been added to by
John being inducted into the
Helena Sports Hall of Fame in
July this year. This was John’s
second induction into the Hall
of fame. In 2003 he was
inducted as an athlete, this year,
2019, he was inducted a coach.
From the June article.
Stories of Honor: John Hollow served in Vietnam as both Naval frogman and SEAL
After graduating from Helena
High (1962) and the University
of Colorado (1966), John
Hollow did graduate work at the University of Montana. But
when he dropped a course to help coach the ski team,
Hollow was drafted by the Army in February 1967.
But instead, he signed up for the Navy’s Officer Candidate
School, a 120-day training course in Newport, Rhode Island.
Having completed OCS, Ensign Hollow underwent Basic
Underwater Demolition/SEAL training in Coronado,
California. On May 10, 1968, he was among the 25% to
graduate BUD/S training.
Hollow was a UDT-13 plank owner, deploying for Southeast
Asia in March 1969. Based out of Subic Bay, Philippines, his
platoon belonged to an outfit of Navy frogmen that searched
30 beaches in 30 days.
“Ours was the classic search for underwater obstacles that
would impede crafts at landing sites,” related Hollow, 74,
who keeps active coaching Arsenal
soccer and officiating local high
school soccer. “We did a recon of
beaches around the entire perimeter
of Vietnam, including the west side’s
Phu Quoc Island, which made for
exciting times.”
After two months of frogman duty,
he switched to the Navy SEALs. This
required another 10 months of
training stateside, at places like Fort
Bragg, San Diego and Vallejo.
“We were retrained more for warfare along the rivers,”
Hollow explained. “The mission is described as ‘harassment
and interdiction.’”
Lt. J.L. Hollow was redeployed back to Vietnam, living on
barges on the Cua Lon River. The SEALs protected the area
while the Seabees built a village called “Solid Anchor.”
During one trip on the river, his boat underwent a rocket
attack, sustaining casualties to 19 of the 24 men onboard.
On Aug. 17, 1970, Hollow’s squad was on patrol. He was
close by when one of their captured Viet Cong stepped on an
explosive. “He flew up one way, and I flew the other way,”
Hollow recounted.
He spent time in both Navy and Army hospitals, where his
shrapnel was removed, before convalescing at Subic Bay. He
then finished his tour in Vietnam on Nov. 1, 1970.
After returning home, Hollow spent over 20 years in the
Naval Reserves, retiring as a captain in 1992, as the C.O. of
the Naval Special Warfare Command Seattle, Det 122.
Curt Synness IR features writer Jun 3, 2019
Son of John in the news
O’Brien Hollow son of John has followed a similar path. He
is an Advanced Rescue Swimmer in the U.S. Coast Guard
and stationed in Alaska. In March 2008 he was stationed at St
Paul Island a volcanic Island in the Bering Sea. It is worth
looking up St Paul Island it seems to be as remote as you can
get in that part of the world.
On Easter Sunday, 23 March 2008 O’Brien’s station received
a May Day call from a stricken factory trawler, the Alaskan
Ranger, which was taking in water, some 230 miles south of
St Paul.
A Jayhawk helicopter with a crew of four, including O’Brien,
were despatched from St Paul. By the time they arrived at the
ship’s position the ship had sunk. Two lifeboats had been
released but with a total crew of 47 there were many in the
sea in survival suits each with a strobe light. The helicopter
was first on the scene
and set about pulling
people out of the
freezing water one by
one. O’Brien was
lowered through snow
squalls to the sea surface
where he would strap a
sailor to himself and then
they were hauled up to
the helicopter. They
extracted 13 people in
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this way before they had to leave to unload the massive
weight of people in bloated survival suits. Eventually a
smaller helicopter and the sister ship of the trawler arrived at
the disaster site to assist. Of the 47 crew, four died of
hypothermia and one died at sea. O’Brien’s helicopter
returned and rescued four more of the trawlers crew.
O’Brien is still a rescue swimmer with the US Coast Guard in
Alaska.
Rescue details from Jack Broom’s article in the Seattle Times, 28th
March 2008.
John in the Helena Sports Hall of Fame
John was first inducted in 2003. John Hollow was a student
at Helena High School to 1962. He was a member of the
Northern Division USAA Junior National Alpine Ski Team
from 1959-1962. In 1961 he was the Junior National
Combined Runner up and 1962 State Ski-meister. During his
time at the University of Colorado he was a member of the
Ski team 1962-64, and came 10th at the National slalom
competition. He went on to be the U.S. World Cup Alpine
Ski team manager. The citation for the induction finishes
with; “he excelled at football, water skiing and soccer”.
Jump forward to 2019 and he is inducted as a coach. His
achievements listed for the award include: Being the Helena
High boys’ first soccer coach, from 1991-2005. That included
Helena High School winning back to back titles in 2002 and
2003. During John’s 14 seasons at the helm, the Bengal
kickers Helena High’s team) experienced just two losing
seasons, while compiling an overall record of 113 wins, 59
loses and 22 draws (a 0.657 winning percentage), with five
top-four placings at the state tournaments. John also referees
soccer.
This must be the longest ‘spotting’ done in the log. Thanks to
John’s sister for bringing it to my attention. Thanks to John
also for agreeing to being spotted.
Sources
Helena Independent Record,
https://helenair.com/news/local/stories-of-
honor-john-hollow-served-in-vietnam-as-
both/article_2bca4700-ba87-5e34-87bb-
3827aa7de99a.html
https://helenair.com/sports/local/helena-
sports-hall-of-fame-presents-
inductees/article_53c53d09-c4ff-5dd3-9a56-
5a211cd51a5e.html
Seattle Times,
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-
world/for-rescue-crew-no-time-to-think-of-
risk-8212-just-act/
Obituaries
WOOD, (nee Hollow), Molly Cardew
Molly was born at
Epping, Essex in 1932
the daughter of daughter
of William George
Hollow and Blanche
Maude Mathews. Molly
married Rodney C L
Wood (deceased 2006) at
Epping Essex in 1957.
She passed away in
Nazeing Essex on
January 25 2019. She is
survived by her two
children, Nicholas and Caroline.
From Bryce Mansfield
GARNER, (nee Hollow)
Kathleen Isobel
Kath passed away on
February 9 2019 at the
Donwood Nursing Home
in Croydon. She was 92
years old. She was the
wife, for 60 years, of
James (dec.). Mother of
Linda, Catherine (dec.),
Alan, Angela and Michael.
She had eight
grandchildren and eight
great grand children.
From Alan Garner and obituaries published in Herald Sun
(Melbourne) on 14/02/2019
HOLLOW, (nee Fulton), Maureen Dawn
Maureen passed away suddenly on Sunday
March 31 2019 in the Doncaster Hospital,
South Yorkshire. She’d been admitted with
pneumonia the day before but suffered a
series of heart attacks on Sunday evening. She
was 77 years old. Maureen is survived by her
husband Rob and sons Wayne and Dean, she
has two grand children.
Maureen and Rob lived in Zimbabwe for most
of their lives, they moved to England in
retirement with their son Dean.
From Wayne Hollow
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Hollows Whose Roots are not Cornish In being the manager of the Hollow One-Name project within The Guild of One-Name Studies, I am encouraged by the Guild to document all occurrences of the name Hollow and its variations.
The most common sources of data are births, deaths, marriages, census returns, obituaries, voter’s rolls, and directories. Then I try to fit the people I find into families and family trees. Mostly these trees trace back eventually to Cornwall. I have found though, that there are quite a number of Hollow families that have quite different origins.
To date I have found, Hollow families from Hungary, Bohemia (Germany), Syria, Russia, Lithuania, Czechoslovakia as well as Native American and African American Hollows. I have also found individuals that chose the surname Hollow as non de plume.
Native American Hollows
I first became aware of Native American Hollows by doing searches in US census returns. I found many Native Americans with the surname Hollow in Montana and North and South Dakota. The surname ‘Hollow Horn’ was common and often shortened to Hollow by some who used just the Hollow surname.
Map explanation – The map shows the Northern section of The Great Plains, the plains do stretch to the Gulf of Mexico. Washington State where one family moved to is west of Montana on the Pacific coast.
I monitor obituaries and Native American obituaries very often give very detailed records of relatives of the deceased and starting with this information I have been able to build family trees over many generations.
The first obituary I discovered was that of Anton Edward Hollow (1917-2011). His father was Harry Hollow born in 1883. Searches at FamilySearch come up with a family tree showing Harry being born on 17 March 1883 At Fort Qu’Appelle, Saskatchewan, Canada to a James Hollow and a native American mother Blueday.
However it is not all plain sailing as Harry
appears in the 1900 US Census aged 16 and living at Fort Peck Indian Reservation in Montana. Harry is listed as the stepson of a Native American couple. In 1903 and 1904 he is still living with that family according to the Indian Census taken each year. In the 1905 census he is living with his father ‘Goes in Middle’ and his mother Blueday and his brother Charles Hollow who is ten years younger than him. Now these people appear to be his parents from Canada, perhaps the father is a step-father, as I said, not plain sailing.
By the 1910 US Census Harry is married to Nannie Smith. In the 1900, 1910, 1930, 1940 US Censuses Harry’s birthplace is given as Montana, but in the 1920 census it is given as Canada. To add to the story Harry married again in 1945, his wife Nannie had died in 1935. On his 1945 marriage certificate he recorded his father as James Hollow.
I tend to think he was born in Canada but for some reason chose to mainly call Montana his birthplace
Harry was a farmer on the Fort Peck Reservation near Brockton, two of his sons became Native American leaders in different parts of the country.
Anton Edward Hollow (1917-2011) Anton Edward was born on the Fort Peck Reservation in Montana on March 8, 1917. After graduating from Poplar High School he served in the Army
during World War II from January 1940 to March 1946 as a Chief Warrant Officer in the Asiatic Pacific.
Anton "Tony" Hollow, perhaps the last WW II Lakota Code Talker, and long time educator and advocate for Native Americans. The Lakota were a sub group of the Sioux nation.
“Code Talker” was a term used to describe people who talk using a coded language. It is frequently used to describe 400 Native American Marines who served in the United States Marine Corps and whose primary job was the transmission of secret tactical messages. Code talkers transmitted these messages over military telephone or radio communications nets using formal or informally developed codes built upon their native languages. Their service
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improved communications in terms of speed of encryption at both ends in front line operations during World War II.
Anton married Maude Caroline Boyd in 1942. He fell in love with Washington State while he was stationed at Fort Lewis. Tony and Maude chose to settle in Wenatchee, WA where they lived for 45 years.. They had three children, two girls and a boy.
In Washington State he studied, and worked in business. He also worked extensively for the Native American people.
Anton had one son, now a doctor and Native American activist in Seattle, Washington. Through him and his sisters the Hollow name has continued for three more generations so far.
Norman Harry Hollow (1919-1996) Anton’s younger brother Norman (see photo front page) remained at Fort Peck and farmed at Fort Kipp close to Brockton. Norman was married to Vera Henrietta Bertelson (1922-2007) in 1938. They were together for almost 58 years. They had two daughters. Vera supported Norman on their ranch and in his public life. She was described as ‘always a loyal, encouraging and stabilizing presence’. Norman rose to the role of Tribal Chairman, a role he held for twelve years
I learnt quite a lot about Norman Hollow
from a book, Tribal Government Today: Politics
on Montana Indian Reservations By James J
Lopach.
One chapter of this book is about the leadership at Fort Peck
Reservation and the bulk of the chapter is
about Norman Harry Hollow’s work and
leadership when he was on the Tribal
Council. The book was first published in
1990 new revised editions came in 1998 and
2019, Norman’s story remains in each
edition.
Norman Hollow was first elected to the Fort
Peck Assiniboine Sioux tribal council in
1947. Norman was a canny politician and
realised for the council to be effective they
had to have a majority who could work
together. Over time he gathered around him
people who were like minded and supported
him. For elections he would form a political
ticket and fund-raise and publicise that
ticket. Effectively he formed a political
party. This involved campaign rallies,
potluck dinners and making speeches. He
also purchased radio spots for himself and
those on his ticket. This strategy was
successful for Norman. This is evidenced by
his longevity on the Council and resulted in
the Council being more stable. On reservations it was not
unusual for a whole council to be voted out at elections.
Observers put down Norman’s success to him being a
constant force on the reservation. He declined national
Indian leadership, rarely took holidays or left the reservation.
He wasn’t insular though, he knew the importance of
changing the ways of outsiders, particularly state and federal
politicians who worked with the reservation council.
He saw that new opportunities for employment for his
people offered a way forward that agriculture had not been
able to. One of his major accomplishments as
tribal chairman was the 1973 establishment of
the Assiniboine and Sioux Manufacturing
Company, a successful effort to bring
industry and jobs to the reservation.
He discouraged young tribal members from
farming and ranching. Rather he encouraged
them to employment in the industries that
the Council were creating.
Success also required the different groups
working together, Sioux, Assiniboine and the
white community. 56% of the reservation
land was owned by the white community.
Norman was able to develop loyalty and trust
from these groups and the state and federal
governments.
The achievements were many and varied. He negotiated oil
and gas rights on tribal lands and created the potential for the
tribe to tap into the natural gas line that crosses
the reservation. He also taxed the railroads that
cross the reservations. A major political success
was achieving a compact on water rights
between tribal, state and federal governments.
Norman’s skilful leadership have left a lasting
legacy.
His escape from the hurly burly of tribal duties
was raising quarter horses on his ranch near
Fort Kipp.
Norman had two daughters so the Hollow name faded within his family.
The extensive work done by the brothers, Anton and Norman, for their tribes is being continued by their descendants both within and outside the Fort Peck Reservation.
North and South Dakota
Through more obituaries I discovered an even bigger family of Hollows in South Dakota. Josephine Leaf Hollow (1916-2007) was married to a Michael Hollow Jnr.
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His father, Michael Hollow Senior (1864-1928) was a farmer near Bullhead, South Dakota within the Standing Rock Indian Reservation. This is a large reservation straddles the border of North and South Dakota. Michael Snr. married his wife Clara Whitehand around 1895 and they had four children, two girls and two boys. Michael Jnr. was the last born in 1905.
Michael Jnr. is recorded as having fifteen children with three partners. Josephine Leaf Hollow was his last wife and it is from her obituary the full extent of the family is documented.
Obituary
Josephine Hollow of
Bullhead was the last
living survivor of the
Yellow Kettle Clan
and in her lifetime
did the clan proud
with her many
talents. Now
Josephine is gone. She
died Thursday, Jan.
4, 2007, at her home
in Bullhead at the age
of 90.
She was a lifetime
member of the Post
82 Auxiliary of the
Brought Brown Otter
Village Center, was
honored as a Gold Star Mother for her nephew Lawrence Crazy Bear Brown
Otter, and was a 4-H volunteer for eight years, teaching sewing, canning and
cooking. A talented seamstress for her community, Josephine also supported and
volunteered for all the community activities. She taught Catechism throughout the
years at St. Aloysius Parish and was also a member of the St. Mary Society.
As a girl, she attended the Rock Creek School and Fort Yates (N.D.)
Boarding School.
Josephine is survived by her special niece, Edith Running Hawk; two sons,
Gerald Hollow and Harold (Delores) Hollow; four daughters, Theresa Taken
Alive, Joyce Hollow, Sally and Ralph Taken Alive, and Leatrice and Ken
Hendricks; stepdaughters, Melda Dog Eagle, Beverly Eagle Shield, Beatrice
Skinner and Victoria Good House; 46 grandchildren, 116 great-grandchildren
and 49 great-great-grandchildren; adopted sons, Dale Weasel and Jeff Hepper;
adopted sisters, Mary Good Eagle, Beverly Howard, Esther Silk and Agatha
Holy Bull; and an adopted daughter, Donna Follet.
She was preceded in death by her husband, Michael Hollow Jr; parents, Joseph
Leaf and Elizabeth Black Fox-Leaf; three sons, Kenneth Leaf Sr., Joseph
Hollow and Lenny R. Hollow; one stepson, James Hollow; one daughter,
Lavonne Hollow in infancy; three sisters, Emily Leaf Running Hawk, Jenny
Leaf Lone Elk and Delma Leaf Little Eagle; and numerous grandchildren.
Mobridge Tribune January 17, 2007.
The obituary mentions all of Michael Hollow Jnr. And
Josephine’s children, it also records that Josephine had 46
grandchildren, 116 great-grandchildren and 49 great-great-
grandchildren. In researching them I found that the Hollow
name has been passed down in both the female and male
lines. I saw that the name Hollow had been carried through at
least five generations.
Many of this Hollow family have lived around Bullhead, in
South Dakota. Some have moved to North Dakota, often to
Fort Yates which is still within the Standing Rock
Reservation.
I have found other Hollow families from South Dakota and
Nebraska but these families appear to have Hollow Head or
Hollow Horn for some family members. The difference with
the two families I have described is that Hollow, used on its
own, goes back a long way.
Before writing this report I have tried to make contact with
family members to try to find if they have the story of the
origin of their Hollow name. I haven’t had any success in this
to date.
Other family members whose obituaries have been published
are equally informative. They often include a comprehensive
list of the descendants of the person who has passed.
Immediate ancestors are often included too.
Colin Hollow
Sources used for this article
Ancestry , https://www.ancestry.com/
Doll, Don S.J., Vision Quest: Men, Women and Sacred Sites of the
Sioux Nation, Crown; 1st edition (October 25, 1994)
FamilySearch, https://www.familysearch.org/en/
Find a Grave, https://www.findagrave.com/
Lopach, James J, Tribal Government Today: Politics On Montana
Indian Reservations. June 17,2019 Routledge
Montana Newspapers website at
http://montananewspapers.org/
The map is taken, with some changes, from the National
Drought Mitigation Centre website, University of Nebraska.
https://drought.unl.edu/ranchplan/Overview/GeographicA
pplicability.aspx
A Reminder
Articles in The Hollow Log are necessarily shortened
histories of people and places. Often there is no room for
family trees. It is possible to follow individuals through
time and see how the different people are related.
You can also look at family trees that the program
constructs from the data it holds. Simply click on the icon
under a person’s name on their page.
If you are interested in people who are mentioned in the
Hollow Log you can find them in the database. Often there
are more details of a person’s life than is found in a story.
Remember though you will not find living people in the
database.
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DNA update There have been two recent additions to our Hollow DNA
project, Ross and Dan. Before explaining the importance of
these two tests I might recap the results as shown.
We have three groups in the DNA project and they all can be
traced back to Zennor by written records. The Zennor
Group 1 members all have identical or nearly identical DNA
from their Y 37 DNA tests. In a Y37 test the DNA at 37
places on the Y chromosome is compared. If testees share a
common surname and there is only one or two variations
over the 37 positions they are considered a positive match.
The differences are shown with pink coloured patches on the
numbers in the chart.
But if you look closely at their paternal ancestors (the
furtherest we can go back using written records) there are
three different paternal ancestors, John Holla born circa 1670
(lemon yellow), William Hollow born c1660 (Pink) and
William Hollow born c1770 (olive green).
The fact that the DNA of that group is almost identical
indicates that each of the paternal ancestors had a common
ancestor. That is a Holla born one or possibly more
generations before John and William were born in the 1600s.
The three Zennor Group 2 (John, Robin and Adrian)
individuals have written records that indicate they go back to
William Hollow born circa 1660 but their DNA test throws
up a different haplogroup. This indicates that there is an error
in the written records. Somewhere a non- paternal event has
occurred, in other words a male has been born and given the
Hollow name but his father was not a Hollow. We need to go
back to the records and see where this has occurred. More
news on this later.
The Zennor group 3 has just one individual, Jim, and the
written records indicated Jim’s oldest male ancestor was
Ishmael Holla born c 1723, he was baptised in Zennor on
November 12 1723. Ishmael was the base (illegitimate) child
of Jane Holla from Zennor. We can pretty safely say that Jane
would have been related to the other Hollas in Zennor.
The new results.
Ross’ results are interesting in a couple of ways. Although he
goes back to William Hollow born circa 1660 his DNA is
identical to two others, Robert and Colin, who are
descendants of John Holla b c1670. Further Ross took a Y67
test. Colin has also taken a Y67 test and both Ross and
Colin’s DNA remain identical for all the 67 positions. I
haven’t extended the chart to show the 67 positions.
You may have noticed that that there are two haplogroups
shown in green. Mine (Colin) is because I have taken a
further test which gives a more precise haplogroup. I am
actually a R-M269 haplogroup too. Max’s haplogroup shows
as green because he tested with another company and it also
gave him a more precise haplogroup. He is also a R-M269.
Dan is the second new testee. His written records go back to
William Hollow born circa 1770, as does his fourth cousin
Wally. Dan’s test is just one position different to Wally and
James and identical to Richard. So a further indication that
the written records are correct and that everyone in Zennor
Group 1 share a common ancestor.
Where to now?
The testing done so far gives us a strong indication that the
Hollow lines probably go back to one individual. However
there are still some lines of the family Hollow that have not
been tested yet. There are two early Holla individuals who
married in Madron (adjacent to Penzance) and have many
descendants.
John Holla - Jane Holla Line
John Holla married Jane Holla 23rd February 1716, at
Madron. John was from the Madron parish and Jane was
from the parish of Gulval. This line has 569 descendants
some remained around Penzance but others have spread to
Illinois, and Michigan, USA, Oamaru, NZ, St Buryan,
Cornwall and then to Australia and N.Z. We still have to find
a person in this line to take a Y-DNA test.
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John Holla m Elizabeth Bennetts Line. John Holla married Elizabeth Bennetts 14 Oct 1732 Madron
This line has 218 Descendants. One branch migrated to
Utah, USA last known male of the line is John Frank Hollow
died Los Angeles, CA 1946. Another branch took on the
name Hallo, some came Australia, to South Australia then to
Western Australia. Others migrated to Victoria. There are still
Hallo families in these places but none are on the Hollow
mailing list so not any volunteers from this family yet. The
story of this family was in Hollow Log 53.
If you think you may belong to either of these families and
you are a male Hollow or have a father or brother who is
please get in touch with me and we can work out whether a
DNA test would help further the research. We test with
Familytree DNA from Houston Texas. They are currently
having a summer sale; A Y-37 is $129 US. I can get the test
kit a little cheaper from the Guild of One-Name studies for
$107 US.
The Zennor Group 2 Mystery.
As I mentioned before, this group has a different Haplogroup
suggesting a non-paternal event. Previously in Hollow Log 50
I was able to show that one of the three Hollows, shown in
green in the chart on this page, must have a non Hollow
father. After the Hollows in green the family lines diverge. If
the non-paternal event occurred after William (b 1838) there
would need to be a non-paternal event in both lines after
William. So that is not very likely. We need to look more
closely at each of the generations shown in green.
William Hollow born 1764 and baptised in Zennor on
September 18 1764 is
recorded as the son of
Edward Hollow and Hannah
Waters. Edward and Hannah
were married at Zennor on
April 30 1764.
So immediately a red flag;
only 41/2 months between
marriage and baptism.
Before we jump to
conclusions let’s look at the
other two possibilities. Next
is James, he was born in
1802, his parents were married in 1798. So it would seem
James is likely to be legitimate.
William was born in 1838 and his parents were married in
1828. Again it would seem that William is likely to be
legitimate. For either of these two to be born as a result of a
non-paternal event we would have to discover a marital
indiscretion, an adoption or some other scenario.
The simplest explanation is that Hannah Waters was with
child to another person when she married Edward Hollow.
This is not proof but alternate explanations require there to
have been exceptional circumstances to be at play. For now
let’s go with the most straight forward explanation.
The Earliest Hollows
With the results in the DNA project seemingly supporting
the notion that there may be a single Holla, progenitor, it may
be time to recap what is known of the early Holla clan. We
can go back to 1500 when surnames for ordinary people were
in their infancy.
The earliest being a record of a legal matters that was found
at the National Archives of Great Britain amongst records
from 1486-1515 showing a John Holla owned a messuage in
Penzance somewhere in that period. A messuage is described
as a dwelling with an associated piece of land. That is
something more that a house. It suggests John Holla may
have been a yeoman, a person of property, a man holding and
cultivating a small landed estate.
In 1522 and 1524 government surveys of males over 16,
suitable for military service showed a Thomas Holla and a
Robert Holla in Penzance in 1522 and a John Holla and a
Thomas Holla in Madron in 1524.
The next survey of which there are records was in 1545. The
results show the Holla family is expanding both in people and
in where they live. In Madron there is John Holla and
Thomas Holla. In Penzance there are two Robert Hollas
listed. Then further afield there is Henry Holla in Towednack
and Raw Holla in Zennor.
A survey document from
1569 shows two John
Hollas in Madron and a
William Holla and a John
Holla in Paul. Paul is to
the south of
Madron/Penzance.
Documents from 1598
record a Holla line of
Thomas Holla son of
John Holla and grandson
of John Holla, deceased.
All of whom are described
as Yeomen.
Then there is a gap in the records, the next we have is parish
records that begin in the 1580s. We have trouble linking the
Zennor Hollas with the Madron Hollas. We can assume they
are related but a DNA test from the Madron/ Paul families
would help show we might all go back to John Holla owner
of a messuage in Penzance in 1500.
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Odd Spot The Hollough family in 1798-1866
This is a situation that makes family history confusing at
times. The 1861 census records a family in Devon with the
surname Hollough. The head of family was William with wife
Lavinia and children Joanna, William A.M.T. and Malachi N.
D.
The distinctive forenames helped identify the family in other
census and official documents. This showed that the parents
were William and Lavinia Hollow who were married at St
Hilary, Cornwall in 1852. They had moved to Stoke Damerel
in Devon by 1854 when their first
child was born. Another child
with surname Hollow was born in
1856.
In 1858 twin boys were born and
baptised with the surname
Hollough. Between 1858 and
1866 six children were born, three
of them died but all were baptised
and buried, in the case of the
deceased, with the name
Hollough.
We can often write off different
spelling of names in a census as
mistakes by the census official but
the use of Hollough was also in
the baptism and burial church
records.
It seems that the family had other
links to that name too. When I
looked at William’s father’s
records (John Hollow (1777-1853)
I found a discharge document
from the army. See opposite.
The Basic details are; His
Majesty’s 23rd Reg. of Foot. Cpl.
J Hollough in Capt. Parson’s Coy.
Born in the Parish of Zennor
(indistinct on document) Cornwall. Aged
26 years and by trade a Miner.
Served 4 and a quarter years but by
'Being nearly blind by service in
Egypt is rendered unfit for duty'.
Recommended as a proper object of
His Majesty's Royal Bounty of
Chelsea Hospital etc signed 24th
June 1802.
The 23 Regiment of Foot took part in the Mar 1801 Battle of
Alexandria between the British and French armies in Egypt,
part of the Napoleonic Wars. Of the 14,000 English force
1,468 were killed, wounded and missing. John Hollough
would have been one of the wounded.
John did become a Chelsea Pensioner but wasn’t a live in
pensioner but lived in an around Penzance for the rest of his
life. The date in pencil on the top right corner of the
document 29/6/02, is the date he became a Chelsea
Pensioner, five days after the discharge document was signed
recommending him as a pensioner. There are other
documents that confirm
this date.
John married the next year
on March 24th at the parish
church Madron (at that
time the parish church for
Penzance) to Joan Daniel
who was of the parish.
John is recorded as a
sojourner, that is, a visitor
to the parish of Madron.
The couple had ten
children. From their
baptism dates they moved
quite frequently, children
were baptised at various
times in Madron, Gulval,
and Sancreed back to
Gulval, finally the family
settled at Marazion a
village to the east of
Penzance.
John was widowed in
1840, married again in
1841 but did not have any
more children. According
to baptism and census
records he variously worked
as a labourer or a
husbandman but he was also
recorded as an invalid soldier
or pensioner. He died in 1853
aged 76.
The name Hollough has not
been found in records of this
family until the birth of John’s
twin grandsons in 1858. I have
found no record where the
Entry from the UK, Royal Hospital, Chelsea: Regimental Registers of Pensioners, 1713-1882
Reverse of John Hollough's discharge document
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name Hollough was used by the family after 1866.
Apart from the instances described here this family was
recorded as Hollow.
It is interesting to follow
John and his family’s
movements as shown in
the births of his children
in his descendant chart.
The birth dates and places
are taken from the
baptism dates in the
various registers.
The move to Marazion
must have been between
1822 and 1840. Joan,
often recorded as Jone
and Joanna, died at
Marazion in 1840. John remained at Marazion until his death
in 1853.
The map opposite shows the different locations that John
was recorded as living over his lifetime. As a rough scale the
distance from centre of Penzance to Madron is 1.6 miles (2.8
km).
You have to admire John and his wife Joan. He worked at
labouring and as a husbandman (a tenant farmer) for much of
his life and together they had a family of ten. Six of the
children, at least, made into late teens or adulthood.
Descendant Chart for John Hollow (1777 -1853)
John Hollow, b. 1777 at Towednack, CON, ENG, d. 4 Apr 1853 at Marazion, CON +Joan Daniel, b. 1780 at Madron, CON, m. 29 Mar 1803 at Madron, CON, d. 13 Dec 1840 at Marazion, CON ├── Mark Daniel Holla, b. 1805 at Madron, CON ├── Jane Holla, b. 1806 at Gulval, CON ├── Hannah Hollow, b. 1809 at Gulval, CON, d. 15 Apr 1873 at Marazion, CON ├── Mary Ann Hollow, b. 1811 at Sancreed, CON ├── John Hollow, b. 1813 at Gulval, CON ├── Uriah Daniel Hollow, b. 1815 at Gulval, CON, d. 31 Aug 1876 at Stawell, VIC, AUS ├── Charlotte Hollow, b. 1817 at Penzance, CON, d. Mar 1888 at Marazion, CON ├── William Hollow, b. 1820 at Penzance, CON, d. 1897 at Stoke Damerel, DEV, ENG ├── Caroline Hollow, b. 1821 at Madron, CON, d. 1839 at Marazion, CON └── Elizabeth A Hollow, b. 1822 at Gulval, CON +Sarah Cornish, b. 1778, m. 4 Dec 1841 at Penzance, CON, d. 27 Jul 1862 at Marazion, CON
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H E L L O T H E R E
Apologies for the lateness of this issue, I seem to have had many
other calls on my time in April/May when getting it all together.
I am always looking for material for the Hollow Log and in this I
need your help. The Hollow Log articles do not have to be long. I
would like to encourage more people to put together small articles
about their family. Perhaps you have a wedding photo or a
newspaper article, a eulogy used at a funeral that could be put into a
short story about that person without it being a chapter of the
larger family history. So, could I encourage families or individuals
to get together a reflection on the life of someone in the family for
the Hollow Log.?
If you are interested please let me know. In the past I have worked
with people to put their information into an article.
Most articles in the Hollow Log do not contain all the info about a
person’s life. If you are interested to find out if there is more info
track them down in the Hollow Database on our website.