Stanley Meyer Explained

Just trying to share with everyone what I have learned. Like you said there's more than one way of doing this. My goal is to build everything as close to Meyer as possible to understand the work, whereas you can understand it better by doing it your own way. Both will work. We just have different ways of thinking. So back to the Driving Circuits. I will explain this from the beginning so hopefully everyone can have a better understanding.

Lets start from the beginning. The above diagram comes directly from Stan Meyers Tech Brief page 3-28. It is the block diagram for the ECU. THE LASER ACCELERATOR On the top you see the Laser accelerator. The laser accelerator is an optical distributor which uses light to cause a pulsed output. Examples: Optically triggered electronic ... - Google Patent Search Hydrogen Powered Commodore (See fig 3) The pulsed output created by the optical distributor goes to a chip which converts frequency to voltage, and as the frequency varies, so does the voltage. This voltage signal, as shown in the diagram splits 4 ways and goes to circuits which are called summing circuits. The Air Pressure Sensor, RPM monitor, and Engine Temperature sensor also create a variable voltage signal which goes to a summing circuit. The summing circuits are basically that, summing circuits, the output voltage is the sum of the input voltage(s). Summing circuits are made using OP Amp chips like the LM741, for example. Each summing circuit has it's own trim pot at it's output, which is used as a voltage divider. This makes engine adjustments as simple

as adjusting a knob.

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As Stan states in his patent # 5,293,857 Paragraph 6 "Idling, low temperature operation adjustments or other calibration adjustments for normal or ambient conditions are made by trim pots..."

If you know something about electronics you can see how this is going together, how simple it is, it's all analog (variable DC voltage), which in itself is extremly simple. Many people probably thought Stan was a genious, but in fact during the 70s, 80s, and early 90s most cars had analog voltage systems. Meyers merely studied and copied them. Nothing new, nothing hard! The output voltage from the summing circuits is applied to FET's. The applied continusously variable voltage controls the amount of current which flows through the differential solenoids thus controlling the flow of the gas(es) flowing through them and into the mixing chamber, which then enters the engine through a vacuum line.

The line going to the air cleaner is actutallt the Idle Air bypass line. THe mixing chamber line is under the throttle plate.

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Stan had three differential solenoid control valves mounted on a panel.One was for the exhaust recirculation,the second was for the processed air,and the third one went to the air cleaner.The air cleaner air would have been used for the idle air control like all EFI cars use today.It would control the idle speed.No water was put through any of these valves. All of theses valves are pictured in the memo for the injector system,423 I think. -Dynodon

The summing circuit which controls the Gas Processor solenoid also controls the EEC. The analog voltage from the summing circuit is also

the voltage applied to the EEC. Some changes can be made, Personally I would add a voltage divider (pot) to further adjust the applied EEC voltage and start at the lowest voltage possible. When dealing with the amount of energy possible, you should always start low and work your way up. Keep in mind Coloumbs law, as Stan taked about in his NZ vid and the EEC circuit. If you apply 1 volt you'll get 1 amp of current flow....Use the proper bulbs, and start at a low voltage!

Here's a quick circuit I just whipped up. Of course all the Resistors and things aren't there, but those parts are simple and any electronics forum or book can help you there. I'm just trying to give an example for now. Also you'll notice that the drawing closely resembles Meyer's in his patent # 4,836,581. Figure 11 in that patent is pretty good. If the Ground is an isolated ground simple connect the negative to the GP negative electrode.

In the diagram above you should notice 2 things, First that the applied Volatge to the EEC is a low voltage. And Second that the frequency generator has a pot, meaning it is a VCO (voltage controlled Oscillator). Now one thing people may not understand, is how the EEC makes a complete circuit. And the way it does is the chamber in the Gas Processor has an area containing an excess number of free electrons (ionized from the Oxygen atoms), it is the free electrons that form the negative (ground) and complete the circuit. It is what I call, an invisible ground. Back to the Laser Distributor, if you studied the example I gave an understand how it works, you should understand that the Laser distributor can also be used to control Injector timing, which I believ Stan did. The pulses can be used to turn on and off the injectors to each cylinder very easily. These types of distributors allready exist. One thing you want to keep in mind though, is that the injector duty

cycle needs to be able to change as well, which creates the need for using the throttle, RPM, and Air Pressure sensor. The VIC as I have stated many times is meant to produce a continuous voltage. The voltage is applied to the conventional part of the distributor which applies it to the injectors. It's hard to just describe one part of the system which needs the entire system to function. If you want to control the GP, you've got to make it work with the entire system at various engine loads, RPM, and temperatures! And being that every system is different I cannot explain it all. Some great References for more understanding. They are expensive so I just check them out at the library. Understanding Automotive Electronics is a great book, with several editions. The earlier editions are more based on Analog circuits which is what we need to understand here. There are also many books on electronics and analog circuits! If you build the Gas Processor, you do so at your own risk! You must understand the energy available with such a reaction!

This is as good as I can do for now....I would recommend posting the Voltage Amplitude control circuit on the forums at allaboutcircuits.com, let them know the voltages your working with and the current flow through your primary and they will get you squared away pretty quick. As far as that PLL circuit, a few people have claimed that it works. You can read the posts on the first testing of this circuit below, which I would highly recommed so you can have a better understanding and build it correctly:

Here's a quick circuit I just whipped up. Of course all the Resistors and things aren't there, but those parts are simple and any electronics forum or book can help you there. I'm just trying to give an example for now. Also you'll notice that the drawing closely resembles Meyer's in his patent # 4,836,581. Figure 11 in that patent is pretty good. If the Ground is an isolated ground simple connect the negative to the GP negative electrode.

for general notation clarification I want to suggest to use the term "ground" only when it means system overall ground (i.e. ICE metal case or grounded to earth). So there is no more "isolated ground" - lets call it 0V or zero level.

The isolated ground I was referring to is basically meaning that the negative of the high voltage transformer for the gas processor is connected to the outer electrode. NOTE: That is only the case if your capacitor plates are not close enough to take advantage of the polarization effect that will create a negative charge all on it's own. The effect has many names, Stan calles it "electron clustering", it's also known as polarization, electrostatic induction, induced polarization charge, etc.

Electrostatic induction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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When a charged object is brought near an uncharged, electrically conducting object, such as a piece of metal, the force of the nearby charge causes a separation of these charges. For example, if a positive charge is brought near the object ,the negative charges in the metal will be attracted toward it and move to the side of the object facing it, while the positive charges are repelled and move to the side of the object away from it. This results in a region of negative charge on the object nearest to the external charge, and a region of positive charge on the part away from it. If the external charge is negative, the polarity of the charged regions will be reversed.

I just want everyone reading these posts to understand how in all of Stan Meyers work the principle of splitting the water is the same. High volatges of opposite polarity! The only thing that has changed is the shape and size of the devices used.

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"electron clustering effect" produces a Negative Electrical Voltage Intensity in equal magnitude to the Positive Electrical Voltage Intensity -Stan Meyer, Technical Brief page 8-3 (describing electrostatic induction creating a negative charge within the injectors, resulting in opposite charges which are used to split the water molecule)

Just remember it depends on the spacing, as to whether or not you can use the principle described above. If your capacitor gap is wide your result is a reduced capacitance which results in an increased resonant frequency, and greater changes in resonance, and the need to use a transformer which can supply both a positive and negative charge.

Now my question is: Do we know yet, has anything been confirmed about the wavelength of the LED's used in the Gas Processor? I have been wondering the following: While reading thorough one of Stan Meyers patents he mentions the Gas Processor inducing resonance of the electrons.

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In a general outline of the method, a first gas mixture including at least a portion of hydrogen and oxygen gases is provided. The gas mixture is subjected to a pulsating, polar electric field whereby electrons of the gas atoms are distended in their orbital fields by reason of their subjection to electrical polar forces. The polar pulsating frequency applied is such that the pulsating electric field induces a resonance with respect to an electron of the gas atom. A cascade effect results and the energy level of specific resonating electron is increased in cascading, incremental steps. -Stan Meyers Patent # 4,826,581, Paragraph 3

It really makes me wonder if this induced resonance has any effect on the wavelength that the atoms will absorb?

When we have an atom in a high voltage field we weaken the atom because we are reducing the speed at which the surrounding electrons flow around it. It really makes me wonder what effect this could have on the photon absorbtion wavelengths?

Interesting... I have wondered a lot lately about the role of the LED's in the Gas Processor. It is my belief that if the voltages are high enough to ionize the atoms then they must also excite the atoms....I think the LED's may have been used only to give the proper amount of energy to keep the atoms from releasing a photon and going back to a lower state, Or possibly what you mentioned above, although right now I need to do more research to fully understand it. I recently talked to someone who is in the physics dept at nist.gov about the Gas processor, not mentioning what it was, only how I read it to work so as not to get a complete denial of such a device. My final answer was this:

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sorry, any practical source of radiation that will efficiently convert O to O4+. That will be done more efficiently by plasma processes such as you mention below. Modeling of such processes tends to be fairly complicated. I do not see a simple obvious role for LEDs in enhancing such processes - only detailed modeling would reveal opportunities. LEDs now operate only down to wavelengths above 200 nm, which are

insufficient to excite multiply-ionized oxygen atoms. Thanks for your interest in the programs of the National Institute of Standards and Technology.

Below is the email I sent-Above is the reply

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The reason why I asked you about the Oxygen atom is to understand the following: I have recently learned of a device used to obtain hydrogen decay in an easy way, similar the Muon process. Air is pumped through a high voltage ionization chamber which ionizes the Oxygen Atoms (up to 4 electrons) and at the same time laser energy (from LEDs) is used to excite the Oxygen atoms to an energy level high enough to ionize the hydrogen atom (>1312KJ/Mol I think). The ionized, excited Oxygen is added to a mixture of hydrogen gas, and when the gas is ignited the excited Oxygen ionizes the only electron from the hydrogen atom, causing atomic decay of the hydrogen atom. I have seen pictures of the device as well as a patent. I wanted to ask you what you think about such a device. If it does work what wavelengths of LEDs would it use, and would the electric field change the needed wavelengths?

Again, I thank you very much for your time. I hope what I shared can also be of interest to you.

Seeing what he mentioned above. Makes me wonder if we need a certain V/cm and plate spacing to accomplish the task correctly...I think there may be a little more going on with the Gas Processor than previously believed...