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Practitioners’ Insights : Investing Under Uncertainties
By Kuntal Shah
13th May 2020
“Man is a deterministic device thrown into a probabilistic universe. In this match, surprises are expected”
― Michael Lewis
Investing Under Uncertainties
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Sr. No. Section Slide No.
1 Pre-COVID-19 Conditions 4
2 COVID Moving Parts 15
3 A Tale of Two Centuries : 1910-1930 vs. 2000-2020 27
4 Process : Portfolio Construction in a Post-COVID World 30
5 Annexure 38
Kuntal Shah Member,
Board of Management,FLAME University
Neharika BayasStudent,
FLAME University
Raj AgrawalStudent,
FLAME University
Upasna LambaData Analyst,
Oaklane Capital Management LLP
Utsav AdaniData Analyst,
Oaklane Capital Management LLP
Index
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Compiled by :
Pre-COVID-19 Conditions
"It is difficult to make predictions, especially about the future”- Niels Bohr
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U.S. Interest Rates
Elevated Debt Levels and Rock Bottom Interest Rates
Source: Bloomberg, PIMCO, Hover Analytics5
Country 6 Mo 1 Yr 2 Yr 3 Yr 4 Yr 5 Yr 6 Yr 7 yr 8 Yr 9 Yr 10 Yr 15 Yr 30 yr
Switzerland -0.75 -0.64 -0.89 -0.91 -0.89 -0.87 -0.79 -0.76 -0.69 -0.63 -0.52 -0.29 -0.01
Germany -0.58 -0.68 -0.74 -0.76 -0.74 -0.68 -0.64 -0.58 -0.46 -0.4 -0.31 -0.1 0.27
Netherlands -0.59 -0.72 -0.7 -0.64 -0.61 -0.5 -0.42 -0.32 -0.25 -0.15 -0.01 0.3
Japan -0.13 -0.17 -0.2 -0.22 -0.23 -0.22 -0.22 -0.22 -0.21 -0.16 -0.12 0.07 0.36
Denmark -0.66 -0.7 -0.7 -0.68 -0.45 -0.28
Austria -0.54 -0.65 -0.63 -0.57 -0.47 -0.39 -0.28 -0.22 -0.14 -0.03 0.31 0.7
Finland -0.66 -0.63 -0.61 -0.54 -0.45 -0.19 -0.01 0.56
Sweden -0.4 -0.62 -0.55 -0.26 -0.01 0.18
France -0.59 -0.6 -0.68 -0.66 -0.62 -0.53 -0.41 -0.31 -0.21 -0.1 0.02 0.38 1.15
Belgium -0.57 -0.58 -0.6 -0.66 -0.6 -0.54 -0.42 -0.25 -0.14 -0.06 0.09 0.4
Slovakia -0.33 -0.24 -0.5 0 0.18 0.26
Ireland -0.41 -0.55 -0.45 -0.46 -0.39 -0.24 -0.14 0.45 0.22 0.58 1.16
Slovenia -0.48 -0.3 -0.31 -0.14 0.25
Spain -0.41 -0.39 -0.4 -0.34 -0.27 -0.21 -0.06 0.08 0.2 0.29 0.43 0.8 1.47
Portugal -0.38 -0.34 -0.37 -0.25 -0.17 -0.14 0.05 0.16 0.28 0.44 0.55 0.95 1.5
Malta -0.23 -0.2 -0.1 0.02 0.74
Bulgaria -0.13 -0.01 0.05 0.37 0.58
Italy -0.16 -0.02 0.22 0.71 1.03 1.31 1.53 1.61 1.77 1.82 2.12 2.45 3.17
USA 2.19 2.03 1.81 1.75 1.78 1.89 2.03 2.52
The Negative Bond Yield Matrix
Negative Bond Yields and Currency Interplays : Supply or Price, but not Both?
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Source: FRED, Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis, Refinitiv, Bloomberg, Business Insider 6
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Duration of Boom and Bust : Decreasing Duration and Increasing Frequency
Source : sharelynx.com 8
Valuation at the Extremities
“The Fed, in effect, has become a serial bubble blower”- Stephen Roach
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November 1907 to November 1916 June 1932 to May 1946
May 1947 to December 1961
August 1921 to September 1929
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December 1987 to August 2000 February 2003 to October 2007 March 2009 to December 2019
Valuation ChangesEarnings GrowthDividend YieldInflation
Sources of Stock Price Appreciation
Source : Robert Shiller’s Data Library
“Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I shall move the world” - Archimedes
December 1974 to August 1987
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Source : Advisor Perspectives , Meritocracy , Robert Shiller and S&P, Forbes
Cyclically Adjusted P/E Ratio
Easy Money and Congenial Interest Rates are Necessary Conditions for Bubbles
Overvaluation Zone
Undervaluation Zone
Fair value zone
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Low Future Interest Rates Embedded in Current High Valuations
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We’d be better off here
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Source : Advisor Perspectives , Robert Shiller and S&P, Forbes
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Cheapest 20%Average PE = 9.00
Average 10-year S&P 500 Annualized real total return based on Price/Average 10-year Earnings
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Significant Role of Buybacks in the Current Valuation
Source : State Street Global Advisors
What’s the source of the rally in the stock market since 2009 ? Buybacks
Buybacks have consumed about one-quarter of developed market companies’ operating cash flows
Buybacks have provided significant support to global equity markets
Attribution of total cumulative returns for the MSCI World Index
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Significant Role of Interest Rates in the Current Valuation
Source : FRED, Thomson Financial, Bloomberg 14
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COVID-19 Moving Parts
“People take the longest possible paths, digress to numerous dead ends, and make all kinds of mistakes. Thenhistorians come along and write summaries of this messy, nonlinear process and make it appear like a simple,straight line”- Dean Kamen
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A Modern Pandemic in the Era of Airlines and Social Media
Twelve Large Pandemic Events with at least 100,000 deaths
Event Start End Deaths
Black Death 1331 1353 75,000,000
Great Plague of London 1665 1666 100,000
First Asia Europe Cholera Pandemic 1816 1826 100,000
Second Asia Europe Cholera Pandemic 1829 1851 100,000
Russia Cholera Pandemic 1852 1860 1,000,000
Global Flu Pandemic 1889 1890 1,000,000
Sixth Cholera Pandemic 1899 1923 800,000
Encephalitis Lethargica Pandemic 1915 1926 1,500,000
Spanish Flu 1918 1920 100,000,000
Asian Flu 1957 1958 2,000,000
Hong Kong Flu 1968 1969 1,000,000
H1N1 Pandemic 2009 2009 203,000
Sources : Wikipedia, Visual Capitalist 16
Global Pandemic
Low Interest Rate Cycle
High debt
Economics of Stoppage
Liquidity dependent, inherently interconnected and a complex adaptive system
InvestorPsychology
Cycle
A Highly Contagious Global Pandemic Triggering Multiple Exogenous Shocks
▪ Money supply▪ Velocity of money▪ Inflation/Deflation▪ Flight to safety
▪ Wide range of outcomes
▪ Policy errors▪ Market dislocations
▪ High Debt/GDP▪ Low GDP growth ▪ High government spending arising
from stimulus
▪ Demand & supply shock▪ Subsequent waves▪ Highly contagious▪ Asymptomatic transmission
▪ Job losses▪ Sharp GDP contraction▪ Cost of stimulus▪ Low commodity pricesSevere Global
Recession
17Source : FLAME University
Pandemic
• Virus will set timelines
• Subsequent waves
• Containment vs
suppression strategies
• Mutations
• Interim treatment
protocols
• Flattening the curve
• Living with the virus
Citizen
• Access to healthcare
• Restricted living
• Lifestyle changes
• Economic pain
• Psychological issues
• Cognitive overload
• Uncertainty
• Feeling of helplessness
Macro ViewBusiness
• Demand destruction
• Cashflow preservation
• Cash is king
• Supply chain issues
• Stimulus packages
• Restart policies
• Debt and deficits
• Who pays for the bill?
• Impact of helicopter money
• Policy errors
• Moral Hazard
• Blame game
Asset Markets
• Market dislocations
• Flight to safety
• Volatility
• Collateral and solvency
• Liquidity terms
• Correlations
• Supply side issues
• Dealing with extremes of
bubbles & crashes
Framework of Investing in the Post-Covid-19 Situation
18Source : FLAME University
Odds, Frequency & Impact – All Three Matter
Frequency vs. Magnitude : Probability and outcome, both matter
Expected Value Expected Value is the weighted average valuefor a distribution of possible outcomes.
Take the probability of loss times the amount of possible loss from the probability of gain times the amount of possible gain. That is what we’re trying to do. Its Imperfect, but that’s what it’s all about- Warren Buffett
Risk vs. Uncertainty Risk : We don’t know the outcome, but we know what the underlying distribution looks like (incorporates the element of loss / harm)
Uncertainty : We don’t know the outcome, and we don’t know what the underlying distribution looks like (Need not incorporate loss / harm) - Frank Knight
Source : Risk, Uncertainty and Profit
Good Probability, Bad Expected Value
Probability Outcome Weighted Value
70% +1% +0.7%
30% -10 -3.0
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Bad Probability, Good Expected Value
Probability Outcome Weighted Value
70% -1% -0.7%
30% +10 +3.0
100% +2.3%
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Citizens’ NeedsUnknown Unknowns : Biological Perspective
Source : FLAME University 20
Source : FLAME University
Consumers’ Perspective
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Corporate Business : Operating Managers’ Perspective
Source : FLAME University 22
Macro Perspective
Source : FLAME University 23
Asset Market Perspective
Source : FLAME University 24
Citizens’ NeedsFlight to Safety : Rising Spreads
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Moody's Seasoned Aaa Corporate Bond Yield Minus 10-Year Treasury Constant Maturity
Moody's Seasoned Baa Corporate Bond Yield Minus 10-Year Treasury Constant Maturity
Source : Refinitiv, FRED, Moodys Analytics, NBER, Factsheet 25
Ring of Moral Hazard
“He did it…..”
Source : Slickcharts.com 26
A Tale of Two Centuries : 1910-1930 vs. 2000-2020
“It's a recession when your neighbour loses his job; It’s a depression when you lose yours”- Harry S. Truman
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Great Depression 1930s Global Financial Crisis 2008 Ongoing COVID-19 Recession
Bank Failures9,096 - 50% of banks(Jan. 1930- March 1933)
57 - 0.6% of banks (Dec. 2007 - May 2009)
Banks well capitalized, new NPA cycle likely
Unemployment Rate 25% 8.5% 14.7% (09-05-2020) and counting
Economic Decline -26.5% (1929 1933)-4.1% (last quarter 2007 - second quarter 2009)
Severe and counting
Biggest Decline in Dow-Jones Industrial Average
-89.2% (Sept. 3, 1929 - July 8, 1932) -53.8% (Oct. 9, 2007- March 9, 2009) Unfolding movie
Change in Prices -25% (1929 - 1933) +0.5% (Dec. 2007-March 2009) Unfolding movie
Emergency Spending Programs
1.5% of GDP for 1 year (increase in 1934 budget deficit)
2.5% of GDP for 2 years(2009 American Reinvestment and Recovery Act)
Fiscal Stimulus > 11% of GDP(08-05-2020) and counting
State’s Response Raise taxes, cut spendingFederal stimulus plan gives fiscal relief to states to lessen impact of tax increases
Rate cuts, asset purchases, back stopping money/ bond markets, USD swap lines and ongoing measures
Increase in Money Supply by Federal Reserve
17% (1933) 125% (Sept. 2008- May 2009) 13.7% (27-04-2020) and counting
The Great Depression vs. The Great Recession vs. The Great Lockdown
Source : www.gold-eagle.com, https://jhss11rajankalsi.wordpress.com 28
1910-1930 Conditions in the Era of the Spanish Flu Pandemic and The Great Depression
Source : Federal Reserve, Bureau of Economic Analysis, Census Bureau, European Historical Statistics, Historical Statistics of the United States. 29
Process
“The essence of investment management is the management of risks, not the management of returns” –Benjamin Graham
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What are the Qualities that Bring Longevity, Resilience and Anti-Fragility?
A = P ( 1+ )tr100
What Investors Focus on
What InvestorsIgnore
Parameter Fragile Companies Resilient/Robust
Companies
Anti-Fragile Companies : Resilience with
Optionality
System Efficiency optimizedRedundancy & buffers
drivenDegeneracy
Error ConsiderationsHate errors : Irreversible,
large errors leading to blowups
Longevity of growthFail fast, frequently, but
cheaply
Incentives No skin in the game Skin in the game Soul in the game
Management Consideration
Reactive
Delayed by small changes in plans
Siloed
Proactive
Survives change in plans
Partially connected
Positive serendipity
Gets better when plans change
Fully Integrated
31Source : FLAME University
ParameterResilient
Companies
Anti-Fragile companies :
Resilience with Optionality
Only OptionalitySurvival Issues /
Value Traps
Mediocre : Neither Resilient nor Optionality
Allocation
Core of portfolio Rare but large allocation Many positions but small allocation. Maximum of this bucket is capped
Avoidable commitment Avoidable
Valuation Consideration
Timeline of investment horizon arbitrage
Longevity of growth and level of out of the money optionality implied in the current prices
Large total addressable market and network effects
Cheap, getting cheaper due to deteriorating core business
Market performer
Investor Consideration
Sector leadership
Markets share and adjacencies
Take advantage of volatility to add and trim positions
Rare companies; should be averaged up. Risk contribution will be more equally distributed i.e. large position represents the same risk as a very small position
Venture capitalist investing framework
Extension of tail leads to minimizing of error. Foot in the door and a possibility of averaging up or trimming down depending on subsequent outcome
Avoid commitment bias
Alternative opportunity cost
Filter out at screening level
Companies stuck in the middle, though they can give buy low, sell high, or round tripping opportunities
Ideal Portfolio Construct : Barbell Approach of Resilience and Optionality
Source : FLAME University 32
Gold : Hedge Against Inflation and Negative Interest Rate
Source : FLAME University 33
Golden Performance
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Issuer (US$ Secondary Levels)
Rating (M / S / F)
Amt. (mm) Coupon Price Yield G Spread Z SpreadYTD
(ΔYield)YTD
(ΔSpread)
Large National Bank B1/BB-/-- 300 5.50% 97.125 7.71% 753 735 3.44% 481
Gold Finance Co. --/BB-/BB- 300 5.90% 76.45 17.13% 1689 1678 -- --
Housing Finance Co. B3/--/-- 350 6.38% 55.5 39.78% 3958 3942 21.46% 2282
Transport Finance Co. --/BB/BB 500 5.10% 71.5 16.96% 1669 1660 -- --
Gold Finance Co. --/BB/BB 550 4.40% 83 10.57% 1029 1021 -- --
Private Bank Caa1/--/-- 477 3.75% 84.25 10.45% 1020 1009 -0.07% 125
Finance Lending Co. Ba3/--/B+ 400 5.88% 63 23.98% 2372 2363 -- --
High Yield Bonds
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Ongoing (2020)
Market Weight(in %)
Market Cap (in $B)
Valuation (P/E)
Apple 5.4% 1164 19.1
Amazon 4.1% 1021 60.6
Microsoft 5.9% 1328 28.4
Alphabet 3.4% 793 23
Facebook 2.1% 434 19.6
FAAMG Aggregate
20.9% 4740 23
Tech Bubble (2000s)
Market Weight(in %)
Market Cap(in $B)
Valuation(P/E)
Microsoft 4.5% 581 55.1
Cisco System 4.2% 543 116.8
Intel 3.6% 465 39.3
Oracle 1.9% 245 103.6
Lucent 1.6% 206 35.6
Tech Bubble Aggregate
15.8% 2040 55.1
NIFTY 50 (1970s)
Market Weight(in %)
Market Cap(in $B)
Valuation(P/E)
IBM 7.1% 48 35.5
Eastman Kodak 3.6% 24 43.5
Sears Roebuck 2.7% 18 29.2
General Electric 2.0% 13 23.4
Xerox 1.8% 12 45.8
NIFTY 50 Aggregate
17.1% 115 35.5
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Source: Citi Bank, Refinitiv
INDIA
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Source : The Investment Checklist
Talking Win–Win v/s Walking Win-Lose
Boeing
• Boeing spent 74% of its Free Cash Flow in
Stock Repurchase in the last 10 years. Cost
cutting was one of the reasons for failure of
its aircraft (737-MAX) and then the
company had to be bailed out
STARBUCKS
SOUTHWEST AIRLINES
• Kelleher : Sold a plane instead of laying off
employees & formed a “No-Layoff Policy”
• 2010 : Was the biggest domestic airline in
USA, with a market cap. Greater than
all its domestic competitors combined
• Happy employees take care of the
customers. Happy customers take care
of the shareholders by coming back
• 2010 : Howard Schultz said Starbucks had
paid around $300 MN in healthcare costs in
2010
• Decision Unpopular with the investors
• Declined the offer to cut Healthcare
spending to retain the respect and value of
his employees
• 1996 : Promised investors that it would
grow its earnings at 15% to 20%.
• Began channel- stuffing products to its’
distributors to meet projections
• CEO Kilts stopped issuing earning guidance
• Overextended pricing power benefited in short
term but drove customers away and invited
hungry new customers
GILLETTE
Every day, managers must decide whether to enjoy a dollar of profit this year or two dollars a few years from now
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COSTCO
• 2008 : Galanti refused to make employees
pay more than 10% for healthcare to save
$10 – $20 Million per year
• Wanted to give their employees as much
as they could in tough times
Additional Resources : History is not a Road-Map, but a Compass
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Additional Resources : History is not a Road-Map, but a Compass
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Additional Resources : History is not a Road-Map, but a Compass
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Additional Resources : History is not a Road-Map, but a Compass
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“We cannot control market’s outcome or returns , but we can control our behavior , processes and cost structure.”
- Anonymous
Questions?
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“We cannot control market’s outcome or returns , but we can control our behavior , processes and cost structure.”
- Anonymous
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