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Interview with Anita Horne Date: August 13, 1978 Interviewer: Joyce Griffin Transcriber: Beverly Bowers, February 2012 [Beginning of Tape 1} Griffin: I’m Joyce Griffin and I will be interviewing Anita Estella Proctor Horne at the Saga Project, in Baltimore City, 1400 East Federal Street. Our research is being conducted for the Baltimore Neighborhood Heritage Project. Mrs. Horne, where were you born? Horne: Baltimore, Maryland Griffin: In what year? Horne: 1918. Griffin: And was that the time when you and your parents settled into Baltimore? Horne: Yes. Griffin: Or were they there previously? Horne: Yes. Griffin: Do you know about what time your parents came to Baltimore? Around what year? Horne: I mean, we were all born here – my whole family. Griffin: Yes, but were your parents originally from Baltimore or were they from other places? Horne: No, they were originally from Baltimore. Griffin: Can you recall for me your childhood experiences? You can start off with maybe your schools – the schools you attended while you were in Baltimore? Horne: E. Street School was one. Junior - Dunbar Junior High School. Vocational-Technical High School. Griffin: Carver? Horne: Carver. Dunbar Evening [indiscernible], Douglass High School – Douglass Evening High School, and Carver Technical Evening School.

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Griffin: Did you say Douglass? Horne: Douglass High – Douglass Evening School [indiscernible]. Griffin: And then there - a school on Bond and Orleans Street that you also attended? Horne: I don’t remember the name of that, but I [indiscernible]. Griffin: Can you recall for me any experiences that you had while you were going to these schools? What was your daily routine like? Horne: I remember in junior high we took our own lunch. In elementary school it was – I believe – we came – we did – we came home for lunch at times and then there was a house across on Bond Street that sold some lunch [indiscernible] get those. In Dunbar Junior High we had a cafeteria and of course – I wasn’t at Carver Technical High – Technical School too long – Technical Day School – Carver Technical Day School too long so therefore I don’t remember. But I’m sure we had a cafeteria there. Griffin: Do you remember about how much you would pay for a lunch at the cafeteria at, say that junior high school? Or how much you paid for lunch when you boarded at Bond Street? Horne: I didn’t. I brought most of my lunch at the elementary school, also in junior high. Griffin: Did you usually have one teacher for the whole day? Horne: Not in junior high. Griffin: But in elementary school? Horne: Elementary school, yes. Griffin: Were the majority of the students black, white or mixed or what? Horne: Black students. Griffin: Okay. I’ll go on. Can you tell me about the neighborhoods that you grew up in? Horne: They were very clean. There wasn’t noise and excitement and late nights like these days. Of course, because we were poor – I mean and it was during the Depression, didn’t keep us from trying to keep our neighborhood nice and clean [indiscernible]. Griffin: Do you recall the mixture of the different types of ethnic groups in your area? Did you live in all black areas?

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Horne: Yes. Griffin: Generally? Horne: Generally, all black areas. [indiscernible] during my childhood [indiscernible].. Griffin: Yeah. Were you ever bordering on any areas of other ethnic backgrounds? Say, were you ever near a Jewish community? Horne: No. Griffin: Maybe if I get a little bit more specific. What was living on Bond Street like? You lived on the eight hundred block of Bond Street for about a year. Do you remember that neighborhood at all? Horne: Yes. Griffin: And that was all black? Horne: All black. Griffin: And generally what were the occupations of the people in that area? Do you recall? Horne: [indiscernible] Bethlehem Steel Company and my father was at Balls‘s Chemical Company and we had one barber and one [indiscernible] small grocery store. We had one bar up in 700 block – we had one bar up there. [indiscernible]. Griffin: Was that owned by a black man also – the bar? Horne: No. Griffin: Miller Street. You lived on the 1600 block of Miller Street for about ten years. What do you recall of your life there? Horne: I was a teenage girl then and of course I was still going to school part of the time. And as I said, we tried to keep our homes and outside very nice and clean. We enjoyed life but we were poor. And as I said, we won first prize and won Clean Block Contest. Griffin: Contest. Do you remember what year that was? Horne: No, I don’t. Griffin: Let’s see. On Miller Street you were saying that you worked part-time sometimes?

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Horne: Yes. Griffin: And going to school also? Horne: Yes, on Saturdays. Griffin: What did you do as a part-time job? Horne: Domestic. Griffin: Do you recall who you worked for? Horne: No. Griffin: Do you recall how much you were paid? Horne: About a dollar a day, I believe, because - Griffin: And that was back in 1932? Horne: Yes. Griffin: How long did you keep that job – that part-time job? Domestic work? Horne: I believe until I left school. Griffin: And you left school in what grade? Horne: Ninth. Griffin: Your reason for leaving school wasn’t just because you got tired of school. Would you tell us why you left school? Horne: Because it was during the Depression, really. It may not have been during right in the midst of the Depression, but my family really wasn’t able to send me too much. I did go to Carver and one of Dunbar’s teachers did offer to help me complete my course. I did not like the school. I must be honest with you. And I did not stay. Even though she offered to help me, I still felt my parents did not have the car fare and things to send me. Griffin: Did you all usually make your own clothes or did you buy them? Horne: We bought them. [indiscernible]. Griffin: When you were on Caroline Street you used to live on the sixteen hundred block. That was about 1947. And you lived there for about thirty-one years. Caroline?

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Horne: I still live there. Griffin: Oh, you still live there. You lived on Milliman Street about a year? Horne: Yes. Griffin: Can you recall for me what that neighborhood was like? Horne: I don’t - it wasn’t as nice as Miller Street? Griffin: As far as neighbors or as far as cleanliness or both? Horne: As far as cleanliness and neighbors. Griffin: And still this was another black area? Horne: Yes. Griffin: All black? Horne: All black. Griffin: You lived on Dallas Courts? Was that recently or – no that was about for five years? Dallas Court? Horne: In 1940 until about ’45. Griffin: Can you recall for me what that area was like? Horne: It was pretty nice. I think they kept things pretty clean, and I mean it wasn’t too much excitement there. You could sleep at night back then. Griffin: You lived there with your parents, too, right? Horne: With my grandmother. Griffin: With your grandmother? Horne: Yes. [indiscernible]. Griffin: That’s one I didn’t know. Have you always lived with your grandmother when you were coming up? Horne: No.

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Griffin: Do you recall when you began living with your grandmother? Horne: I was about sixteen years old - because she was ill. Griffin: And you were taking care of her? Horne: Yes. Griffin: And Dallas Court was an all black area also? Horne: Yes. Griffin: Would you say that was generally your middle class group or were there still people there that were rather poor, or were there any rich there? Horne: No, rather poor, I would say. Griffin: You lived in the 1400 block of Bond Street for about ten years. Do you recall when that was? Horne: From 1944 to 1947. Griffin: What do you recall about that area? Can you describe it for me? What kind of a community was it? Horne: That was a pretty nice place. It wasn’t as clean as Caroline – 1500 block of Caroline. But they kept it pretty well. We kept it, I should say. Griffin: Was that an all black area also? Horne: Yes. Griffin: And generally keeping with the same group of people? The same class of people as you had been on Dallas Court? Is that still your, I guess, lower class people, middle class or upper class as far as economic life? Were they poor? Horne: Probably middle class, I would say. Griffin: Can you tell me what your family life was like when you were coming up? How many kids were there in the family? Horne: There was seven of us. Five girls and two boys. I’m the oldest of five girls. Oh, we had an enjoyable time just like all children. We had our fights about washing dishes. Whose turn it was to do this or that. Griffin: Did you have certain chores everyone was supposed to do?

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Horne: Yes. Griffin: And those were washing dishes and what else? Horne: Help cleaning house inside and out. Griffin: Laundry? Who did that? Horne: Mostly I think my parents. We did some like the [indiscernible] or something. But of course as I became a teenage girl I helped my grandmother out. I think I did about [indiscernible] while she was working, I’ll say. I did some of the laundry. Griffin: You lived with your grandmother how many years? Horne: It must have been ten years. Griffin: About ten years? Horne: [indiscernible]. Griffin: Were you taking care of the whole household then while you were – your grandmother was ill? Horne: No, I was working. I took care of it otherwise, though. But not everything because she was able to do some things herself. Griffin: Oh, okay. What was - let’s go to courting. When did you begin dating? Horne: Fourteen years old. Griffin: Fourteen? Was that young in those days or was that average? Horne: I would say that, but I’m not too sure. Yes, I guess it was about that age. I don’t remember now. [indiscernible] a lot of things. But that was young in those days. Griffin: What age did you get married? Horne: Twenty-six. Griffin: Do you remember what kinds of things you did when you went on a date? Where you went? Horne: Movies. The church. Picnics. Griffin: Did you have any hobbies?

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Horne. Well, I always loved to sew. I loved to sew and cook. [indiscernible]. Griffin: [indiscernible]? Horne: Yeah. Griffin: Can you tell me what your married life was like? You had how many children? Was it easy for you to get along as far as managing the house [indiscernible]? Horne: Yes. I have two daughters. Griffin: Can you tell us a little more about – okay, you got married at twenty-six. Was that an early age for people in your group or was that usually a later age? Horne: That was a later age. Griffin: Was there any particular reason why you waited so long to get married? Were you still looking for the right guy? Horne: That was it. I was trying to find the right guy, really. Griffin: Yeah, and you were helping your grandmother. Didn’t have time. Did your grandmother get better? Horne: No, she died. Griffin: Oh. Horne: In 1945. Griffin: How did your parents manage the household generally when you were coming up? Did they have enough money to put food on the table? Can you tell us about that? Horne: No, we were on welfare part of the time and then part of the time my father, as I told you, went to work at Ball’s Chemical Company. Griffin: What did you generally have on the table for dinner? Horne: There was times we didn’t have no more than raisins and bread for dinner. Griffin: Did you bake your own bread? Horne: Sometimes. But during the Christmas we had the police that went around togive baskets, and different organizations helped us out like that.

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Griffin: When you got married, that was about – let’s see, 1934? Horne: Forty-four. Griffin: Forty-four. Okay. Was it easy for you and your husband to manage the household financially? Horne: Yes. Griffin: How much rent did you all pay in your house or how much mortgage when you were first starting out were first starting out per month or per week? Horne: We were buying the house, but I certainly cannot remember how much the mortgage [indiscernible]. Griffin: Do you remember how much you paid a month? Did your husband generally take care of that? Horne: Yes. Griffin: Did you work during the time you were married? Horne: Yes. Griffin: Do you recall how much your parents paid in rent per month or per week? Horne: From seven to ten a week, I believe. Griffin: And that’s when they were living on what street? Horne: [indiscernible] Bond. Griffin: So they always paid rent – Horne: [indiscernible] Avenue. Griffin: They weren’t homeowners? Horne: No. Griffin: But you and your husband were? Horne: My husband, mother-in-law and father-in-law, and I, we shared – we bought the home together.

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Griffin: Oh, okay. So you probably ended up splitting the rent anyway – or the mortgage anyway? Horne: That’s true. Griffin: Was it easy for you to get that home? Did you have a lot of trouble with the down-payment and finding a place to finance you? Horne: No, because we sold the home on Bond Street. [indiscernible] was not difficult for us to get [indiscernible]. Griffin: But that was their house on Bond Street or yours? Horne: Our house. Griffin: Do you recall – you don’t recall how much you paid? Horne: [indiscernible]. Griffin: And you moved from Bond Street then and bought that house on Miller Street? Horne: No. Griffin: No? Horne: From Bond to 1600 block of Caroline. Griffin: And that’s where you stayed for thirty-one years. You moved there about 1947? Horne: Yes. Griffin: And you’re there today? Horne: Yes. Griffin: We talked about some of your sports and hobbies and recreational habits. Can you think of any others? Did you go skating, bowling or dances or anything like that? Horne: Dances. [indiscernible]. Griffin: Were they generally large dances or were they in the house kind of - mtaybe someone was having a little get-together at their house or [indiscernible]. Horne: Get-togethers in the house and we went to the Strand Ballroom. We used to go to the junior high prom.

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Griffin: The Strand Ballroom – where is that? Horne: That was on Pennsylvania Avenue near the Royal Theater. Griffin: Near the Raw Theater? Horne: Royal Theater. Griffin: Royal Theater. Okay. And how much did that generally cost you? Horne: I don’t remember. Griffin: Because your boyfriend usually paid for it, probably. Horne: I never had been a real good dancer so I never really didn’t go that much, and we had to have tickets when we went to the prom. We were invited to the prom - junior high prom. Griffin: What was the name of that – Horne: Prom dances. Griffin: What was the name of that – that ball – Horne: Strand. Griffin: Strand? Do you know how to – Horne: S – T – R – A – N – D, I believe. Griffin: Okay. Strand Ballroom? Horne: Yes. [indiscernible]. Griffin: [indiscernible]. Don’t worry about it. Do you recall any family traditions that you all had during that time? Maybe at five o’clock every evening everyone would have to be seated at the table for dinner or something like that. Maybe Flag Day you always put out the flag. Fourth of July you always celebrated. Anything like that? Thanksgiving Day? Christmas? Horne: We always had family get-togethers on Christmas, Thanksgiving, Fourth of July. All holidays. Griffin: Did you always have turkey on Thanksgiving or was it ham? Horne: Mostly chicken.

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Griffin: Chicken? Horne: Roast chicken. Griffin: And later on in years was it always chicken or did you change over to maybe duck or goose or something like that? Horne: Never ham. I don’t remember ham. We had duck once in a while during the year, probably. Griffin: Did you ever serve anything special for New Year’s Eve night or New Year’s Day? Horne: Yes, my grandmother and mother always use to make raisin bread on New Year’s Eve night. Griffin: And did you all have black-eyed peas, maybe? Horne: Yes. Griffin: I know that when I was coming up, and I don’t know when this tradition started,. I don’t know if it’s even in Baltimore or not, but a male would always have to cross the door on New Years Eve before any female went across to bring good luck. Did you all do that? Horne: Yes. Griffin: How long was that going on? Was it going on when you were a child? Horne: Yes. Griffin: Your parents knew about it? Horne: Yes, they were the ones who told us about it. Griffin: What was the role of your father in the household? Was he strictly the breadwinner? Horne: Yes. Griffin: Did he discipline the kids at all? Horne: Yes.

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Griffin: Did he ever take care of any household chores? Help your mom with the laundry or anything like that? Horne: I’m sure he did. Griffin: What was his day job like? He got up in the morning and made his breakfast and out to work? Horne: Yes. Griffin: How long, generally? Horne: Generally, eight hours a day, maybe ten. Griffin: How many days a week? Horne: I believe that was just five days a week because I remember him being home always on Saturday and Sunday. Griffin: What role did your mother play in the home? Horne: She was a housewife. Griffin: And she didn’t have any other part-time job? Horne: Very little because she was ill most of our life. Griffin: Was it [indiscernible] a childhood illness that you thought? Horne: I thought – she was ill during our childhood, not too well and, of course, she died at forty-four years-old, so - I hope that’s answering it. Griffin: How about the – your sisters and brothers? What role did they play in the household? Was it that they generally did chores to help your mother out or - Horne: Yes. Griffin: But they always went to school? Horne: All went to school. I had two to graduate from high school. Griffin: What religion is your family? Horne: We’re Baptists. [indiscernible]. Griffin: What? [indiscernible].

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Horne: First we attended a Methodist church. My parents were Methodists but after we left the Methodist church we followed our friends and joined them – also our parents joined the Baptist church. Griffin: Was there any reason why you started off at that Methodist church? You said your parents were Methodists. Horne: Yes. Griffin: Okay. And that was why you started there. Did you find the two religions that much different as a child – going from one to the other? Horne: No, except that we were baptized in the Baptist Church. Griffin: What were police relations like in your community? Horne: I don’t remember too much trouble with police. They seemed very kind - I mean, what I remember – what little I remember, really. Griffin: You were saying that they came by occasionally on holidays and brought little baskets of goodies for – Horne: Yes. Especially on Christmas - and always on Christmas, and Thanksgiving for a while. Griffin: What were usually in those bags? Horne: We had – we would have roast pork, sauerkraut, cranberry sauce, bread and other goodies like candy. Griffin: Okay. Horne: Cookies, probably for dessert or something. Maybe a little cake. Griffin: Did anyone in your family serve in the military? Horne: No – yes. My brother, he was merchant marine. Griffin: And when did he sign up? Horne: In 1945, and he died in the service. Griffin: Oh. Now your father worked at the Ball’s Chemical Company? Horne: Yes.

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Griffin: As a laborer? Horne: Yes. Griffin: And your mom generally did not work any other jobs? Horne: No. Griffin: But she did occasionally try a little bit of days work, was that it, until your father told her it was a bit too much to do? Horne: Very little. Griffin: And another time you were talking about during the Depression your father worked at the Conowingo Dam? Horne: Yes. Griffin: And can you explain how you found out about that? Horne: We didn’t really know where he was for a while because, you know, jobs were so hard to get and he couldn’t let us know right away - eventually. Griffin: This was during the Depression time? Horne: Yes. Griffin: And how long was it before you knew where he was and what he was doing? [End of Tape 1] [There seems be a section of conversation missing.] Griffin: Your parents weren’t homeowners. They generally rented? Horne: Yes. They rented. Period. Griffin: Your family – your routine life – your daily life as a child, can you tell me what it was like as a child? [indiscernible] get up in the morning, exactly what you usually did during the week, and can you tell me about the weekend? Horne: Have breakfast. Get ready for school. I don’t remember anything else we had to do [indiscernible]. And you said to tell you about the weekend. Well, of course we had these little get-togethers in the summer before we were courting, even after we were courting we would get together – us girls, us sisters and talk. That’s about it. On

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weekends, of course, we went to church all the time, every Sunday, and Sunday School also. Griffin: Also. Horne: In the Methodist Church and Baptist. Griffin: And there was a lot of closeness in your family? Horne: Yes. Griffin: What do you attribute that to? Because I don’t think that closeness exists any more to a large degree with today’s families. Horne: I attribute that to close parents. Very kind, concerned parents, I would say. Griffin: So you think the parents had more time to deal with the children? Horne: Yes. Griffin: A bit more patience? Horne: Yes. Griffin: There were no other ethnic groups in the different communities that you lived in were there except the blacks? Horne: No. [indiscernible]. Griffin: Then you never noticed any kinds of patterns of migration or influx of any other ethnic groups into your area? Or when your family first got there, were the white families moving out of the communityand more blacks moving – I mean, you never saw that happening at all? Horne: I saw that in the 1600 block of Caroline because we were one of the first blacks to move in the 1600 block of Caroline. Griffin: And now you would say that street is predominantly black? Horne: Yes. Griffin: You’re on Caroline Street now. You’re still in East Baltimore, so you really haven’t left the area at all. Are these streets: Bond, Miller, Caroline, Milliman, Bond and Dallas Court, are they all in East Baltimore? Horne: Yes.

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Griffin: Are any of them in proximity to another? Are they close to each other or scattered throughout East Baltimore? Horne: They’re fairly close to where I am. You can walk, you know, to each one of them. Griffin: Let’s talk about a few of the jobs that you had when you began working part-time and full-time. Horne: Days work. I worked at Johns Hopkins Hospital, he laundry. I was a lunch aide once – at one time. Griffin: You told me that your part-time – your first job was part-time days work – domestic work was generally paying about a dollar a day? Horne: Yes. Griffin: That was back in 1932. Then you worked in a laundry also, on Crestwood Street? Horne: Yes. Griffin: Crestwood and Greenmount? Wasn’t it? Horne: That’s right. Griffin: And at that time you were helping to support your family? Horne: Yes. Griffin: There was also another job where you were doing some cooking. It was days work about? Horne: [indiscernible]. Griffin: And you were paid twelve dollars a week. And during World War II you were saying that you experienced an increase in salary. You got about fifteen dollars a week plus carfare. And that was when you were working for a doctor and his family? Horne: Yes. By the way, though. When I was cooking thatas general housework, too. Griffin: And do you recall any other jobs? You were at that days work that was cooking and general housework for eleven years? Horne: Yes.

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Griffin: And the lunch aide job came about – around what time? Horne: 1963. I was only there two weeks. Remember I told you that? Griffin: I think so. Okay. You were getting two dollars [indiscernible]hen? Horne: Yes. Griffin: Then getting to the more recent jobs that you had. Domestic work? Horne: Again, yes. Griffin: That was eight dollars a day in the sixties? Plus car fare? Horne: Yes. Griffin: And you worked for the telephone company? Horne: Yes. Griffin: That was during World War II? Horne: Yes, Griffin: And you also did some [indiscernible]or a woman? Horne: Yes. Griffin: About ten dollars a job? Horne: Yes, I did. Griffin: Generally, what would you say was the distance between your home and your father’s work? Where was that Ball’s Chemical Company located? Horne: I don’t know. [indiscernible] Canton [indiscernible]. Griffin: Canton, Maryland? Horne: I think. Griffin: So that was generally quite a distance. Did he walk usually or did he take the street car where he was going? Horne: He took the street car.

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Griffin: Do you remember any prejudice when you were coming up or any stereos or anything? Horne: Not too much. Griffin: There were stores that you couldn’t go into? Horne: Oh, yes. Indeed Of course. Griffin: Hecht’s was one? Horne: Hecht’s was one. [indiscernible]. And I believe, Hutzler’s. I’m not sure. Griffin: And do you recall ever seeing the different colored and white bathrooms and fountains and stuff like that? Horne: Yes. Griffin: Were people generally nice to you in the stores when you entered the stores, or what? Horne: [indiscernible]. Griffin: Are you getting tired? Horne: [indiscernible]. Griffin: Okay. Your fellow workers [indiscernible] except during the laundry and at Hopkins. So what was it like when you were working at Hopkins Hospital? Did you experience any prejudice there? And what did you [indiscernible] Horne: Not prejudice, exactly, but [indiscernible] and she was busy that morning. The director of that department [indiscernible]. It really wasn’t generally. Generally. I wasn’t there long [indiscernible]. Griffin: What did you do there? Horne: Helped serve breakfast and lunch. Griffin: And when was that? What year? In the forties? Fifties? Thirties? Horne: I believe it was in the forties. Griffin: Do you recall how much you were paid?

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Horne: Oh, we were paid $7.50 a week. Fifteen dollars every two weeks. Griffin: We talked about the different types of businesses and institutions. We talked about some of it being more prejudiced against blacks. Not allowing blacks to come in. Was credit easy to get back then at those stores? Or any stores? Horne: Not too easy because [indiscernible] have the jobs [indiscernible]. I mean during the time I was working in the forties you could get some credit. Some credit, but not too much, according to how much you could afford to pay, I would say. Griffin: Do you remember – recall any successful business leaders or politicians in your community [indiscernible]? Horne: [indiscernible]. I can’t remember that well. Griffin: I’d like to ask you how your life was affected by the Great Depression? Horne: Very badly, because, like I said ,we didn’t have enough to eat at times [indiscernible] I can remember [indiscernible] too long before my father had a job. Not too long. But as I said, I [indiscernible] felt that my parents didn’t even have the carfare. We could use that carfare for food or something - clothing [indiscernible] things, you know. But on a general scale we weren’t really hungry because my grandmother did help out. I remember her working when she was able and grandfather. And we all worked together. That way, we wasn’t very hungry, but it wasn’t particularly pleasant. But yet, as I remember it, we remained a close family. Griffin: So was your father not working then while you were in school - most of the time? Horne: Most of the time not. Yes. Griffin: Okay, so then he didn’t get his job – Horne: Oh, no, while I was in junior high he had a job. Griffin: He started working about then. How did World War II affect your life? Horne: Well, my husband was away. He was a merchant seaman - for two months at a time. Of course, it didn’t bother me too much so far as being lonely or anything because I worked during the time. And I thought it was [indiscernible] to remain alone most of the time because my sisters lived in one section of Baltimore and I lived in [indiscernible]. Just enjoying life like attending meetings like the NAACP [indiscernible]. Griffin: Oh, you were in NAACP?

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Horne: Yes. Griffin: Do you recall when you began in that organization? Horne: [indiscernible]. Griffin: But that was back during World War II? Horne: [indiscernible] when I first married, I think. Maybe forty-five. But I [indiscernible]. During World War II I attended meetings. I wasn’t an officer or anything like - Griffin: You were interested in their meetings, though? You were affiliated as a representative [indiscernible] of the community? Horne: Yes. Griffin: Did World War I affect your life at all? Horne: Oh, no. I don’t remember World War I. Griffin: Okay. Do you recall any of the epidemics [indiscernible] during that time? Horne: I heard about the flu that took so many lives. That’s all I remember [indiscernible]. Griffin: Do you recall any other significant event that affected your life that we haven’t discussed? Horne: The present day, it doesn’t affect me, but it really bothers me. Drugs [indiscernible]. Murders and violence. I mean, it affects everybody, I think - I mean, to a certain extent, don’t you think? Griffin: Yeah. Horne: But other than that you try to remain as happy and have time for one another and do the best [indiscernible] do it all. Griffin: Okay. Is there – Horne: That’s the best way I can answer that. Griffin: Is there anything you feel we should have covered that you would like to tell us about?

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Horne: I’m happy about the way my race is getting ahead. And I hope that we can do the things to make us – to help us improve and not do the things against us. I think that’s [indiscernible]. Griffin: Well, okay. That’s the end of this taping session. And thank you very much Mrs. Horne. {End of Tape 2].