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Passing the New York Bar Friday, November 20 th 2009 Narimane Nabahi and Laurie-Ann Willett, B.C.L./LL.B. McGill Faculty of Law, 2009

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Page 1: Passing the New York Bar Friday, November 20 th 2009 Narimane Nabahi and Laurie-Ann Willett, B.C.L./LL.B. McGill Faculty of Law, 2009

Passing the New York BarFriday, November 20th 2009

Narimane Nabahi and Laurie-Ann Willett,

B.C.L./LL.B. McGill Faculty of Law, 2009

Page 2: Passing the New York Bar Friday, November 20 th 2009 Narimane Nabahi and Laurie-Ann Willett, B.C.L./LL.B. McGill Faculty of Law, 2009

What we will cover

• The Multistate Professional Responsibility Examination exam (MPRE)

• The New York Bar classes (BarBri)• The New York Bar exam• The application process

Page 3: Passing the New York Bar Friday, November 20 th 2009 Narimane Nabahi and Laurie-Ann Willett, B.C.L./LL.B. McGill Faculty of Law, 2009

Conclusion

•You can and will (very likely)

pass

Page 4: Passing the New York Bar Friday, November 20 th 2009 Narimane Nabahi and Laurie-Ann Willett, B.C.L./LL.B. McGill Faculty of Law, 2009

Overview of the NY State Bar Admission requirements

• You need to– Get an MPRE of 85 or more– Graduate from McGill– Successfully pass the NY Bar exam– Provide a lot of documentation– Possess the “character and fitness” required

Page 5: Passing the New York Bar Friday, November 20 th 2009 Narimane Nabahi and Laurie-Ann Willett, B.C.L./LL.B. McGill Faculty of Law, 2009

What you don’t need

• A “stage”/articling• Prior law related work experience• To be a US citizen• To live in the United States

Page 6: Passing the New York Bar Friday, November 20 th 2009 Narimane Nabahi and Laurie-Ann Willett, B.C.L./LL.B. McGill Faculty of Law, 2009

Multistate Professional Responsibility Examination exam – (MPRE)

• To test your knowledge of (common)ethic rules

• Not New York specific• Can be taken anywhere in the United States• You can take the exam prior to the NY Bar

exam• You can take the exam after the NY Bar exam

Page 7: Passing the New York Bar Friday, November 20 th 2009 Narimane Nabahi and Laurie-Ann Willett, B.C.L./LL.B. McGill Faculty of Law, 2009

MPRE• Multiple choice questions• 2 hour exam – no time pressure• Sample question

– Attorney and Broker, a licensed real estate broker, entered into an agreement whereby Broker was to recommend Attorney to any customer of Broker who needed legal services, and Attorney was to recommend Broker to any client of Attorney who wished to buy or sell real estate. Attorney's practice is limited almost entirely to real estate law. Is Attorney subject to discipline for entering into the agreement with Broker? • No, if neither Attorney nor Broker shares in the other's fees. • Yes, because Attorney is compensating Broker for recommending Attorney's legal

services. • No, if the fees of Attorney and Broker do not clearly exceed reasonable fees for the

services rendered by each. • Yes, because the arrangement constitutes the practice of law in association with a non-

lawyer.

Page 8: Passing the New York Bar Friday, November 20 th 2009 Narimane Nabahi and Laurie-Ann Willett, B.C.L./LL.B. McGill Faculty of Law, 2009

Graduate from McGill

• We congratulate you in advance• Necessary to be allowed to sit for the exam• You will need to– Send in a handwriting sample– Send in a transcript

Page 9: Passing the New York Bar Friday, November 20 th 2009 Narimane Nabahi and Laurie-Ann Willett, B.C.L./LL.B. McGill Faculty of Law, 2009

New York Exam Structure

• 4 components– 40% Multistate multiple choice (MBE)– 10% Multistate Performance Test (MPT)• Typically writing a memo

– 10% New York multiple choice questions– 40% New York essay questions

Page 10: Passing the New York Bar Friday, November 20 th 2009 Narimane Nabahi and Laurie-Ann Willett, B.C.L./LL.B. McGill Faculty of Law, 2009

Bar classes or Bar preparation material

• BarBri– http://www.barbri.com

• Kaplan PMBR– http://www.kaptest.com/Bar_Review

• Pieper Bar Review– http://www.pieperbar.com/

• Also, other books published

Page 11: Passing the New York Bar Friday, November 20 th 2009 Narimane Nabahi and Laurie-Ann Willett, B.C.L./LL.B. McGill Faculty of Law, 2009

BarBri classes

• Every day of the week• 3 to 4 hours each day• About 6 hours of homework each day– Work on your notes– Do practice problems

• About 11 hours of homework every weekend– Go over all your notes– Work on some problems (MBE, MPT, etc.)

Page 12: Passing the New York Bar Friday, November 20 th 2009 Narimane Nabahi and Laurie-Ann Willett, B.C.L./LL.B. McGill Faculty of Law, 2009

BarBri – iPod or class at a location?

iPod• Pros

– Start and stop when you want– Can go back if you missed

something– No problems with holidays– Pajamas!

• Cons– Only audio– Sometimes can feel lonely– Slightly older material– Not receiving the same updates as

video– More expensive

Class at a location• Pros

– Can listen to 6 make up classes online

– Video– Forces discipline– Classmates

• Cons– No control over start time or

breaks– No control over holidays– Wasting time to come to school– It’s only a DVD

Page 13: Passing the New York Bar Friday, November 20 th 2009 Narimane Nabahi and Laurie-Ann Willett, B.C.L./LL.B. McGill Faculty of Law, 2009

BarBri graded practice

• Full day MBE with results• 2 NY essays• 1 MPT

• Smart Study software

Page 14: Passing the New York Bar Friday, November 20 th 2009 Narimane Nabahi and Laurie-Ann Willett, B.C.L./LL.B. McGill Faculty of Law, 2009

BarBri add-ons ($)

• Lecture on essay writing• Additional grading of NY essays and MPT• Review session

Page 15: Passing the New York Bar Friday, November 20 th 2009 Narimane Nabahi and Laurie-Ann Willett, B.C.L./LL.B. McGill Faculty of Law, 2009

The examination itself

• Two full days• Albany? Buffalo?– Reserve at both places in advance!

• Computer examination is an option– Requires Windows

• No clocks in the exam room – bring a (silent) watch

• No papers allowed inside the exam room• Quiet snacks… and no flip flops!

Page 16: Passing the New York Bar Friday, November 20 th 2009 Narimane Nabahi and Laurie-Ann Willett, B.C.L./LL.B. McGill Faculty of Law, 2009

Exam schedule

• Day 1, morning (3h 15min)– NY Multiple choice– 3 NY essays

• Day 1, afternoon (3h)– 2 NY Essays– MPT

• Day 2, morning (3h) and afternoon (3h)– 100 multiple choice questions (200 total)

Page 17: Passing the New York Bar Friday, November 20 th 2009 Narimane Nabahi and Laurie-Ann Willett, B.C.L./LL.B. McGill Faculty of Law, 2009

Post exam

• 4 month wait for the results• Collect documents, fill forms– 2 character references– Letters from every place where you performed

legal work– And more…

Page 18: Passing the New York Bar Friday, November 20 th 2009 Narimane Nabahi and Laurie-Ann Willett, B.C.L./LL.B. McGill Faculty of Law, 2009

Questions

• Don’t forget to register if you are taking the February 2010 exam!– The application period for the February 2010 NYS

Bar Examination is currently open and will close on November 30, 2009 at 11:59 pm