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MATERIALS TESTING LABORATORIESJUNE 2014

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CONFIRMED MINUTESJUNE 23-26, 2014DUBLIN, IRELAND

These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group in writing or by vote at a subsequent meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or recommendation from the Task Group and shall not be considered as such by any agency.

MONDAY, JUNE 23 to THURSDAY, JUNE 26

1.0 OPENING COMMENTS – CLOSED/OPEN

1.1 Call to Order / Quorum Check

The Materials Testing Laboratories Task Group (MTL) was called to order at 9:00 a.m., 23-June-2014.

It was verified that only SUBSCRIBER MEMBERS were in attendance during the closed portion of the meeting.

A quorum was established with the following representatives in attendance:

Subscriber Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)

NAME COMPANY NAME

* David Bale Pratt & Whitney Canada* Philippe Brailly SAFRAN Group

Brian Burke Honeywell Aerospace* Ben Clark Eaton Aerospace

Paul Colfe Honeywell Aerospace* Doug Deaton GE Aviation* Colin Fletcher Bell Helicopter Textron

Manfred Geiss Airbus* Dan Graves Goodrich (UTAS)

Niall Lealy Honeywell AerospaceAdrien Maffre Airbus

* Muriel Malhomme AirbusAngelina Mendoza Goodrich (UTAS)

* Tim Myers Honeywell Aerospace Chairperson* Amanda Rickman Raytheon Co. Vice-Chairperson* Lindsay Schurle Spirit AeroSystems* Gary Winters Northrop Grumman Corporation* Verl Wisehart Rolls-Royce Secretary

Other Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)

NAME COMPANY NAME

* Pedro Astola González TITANIA, Ensayos y Proyectos Industriales S.L.

Lei Bao NCS Testing TechnologyUmberto Baratta Bytest SRLFrancois Barbaza Laboratoire ECCIPierre Barbaza Laboratoire ECCI

* Corwyn Berger Exova, Inc.Elena Bolotova Kamenska Uralsky Metallurgical

Works, J.S.Co. (KUMZ)* Philip Bretz Metcut Research Associates, Inc.


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Elena Bulgakova Kamenska Uralsky Metallurgical Works, J.S.Co. (KUMZ)

* Massimo Capriolo Bytest SRL* Matthew Chamberlain-

WebberTimet UK Limited

* John Chir Latrobe Specialty SteelJulien Corato ExovaNiall Dodds Exova (UK) LimitedPascul Escova Exova

* Kay Fisher Bohler Edelstahl GmbH & Co KGDave Fluck Haynes International, Inc.Thomas Fox SGS Institut Fresenius GmbHMarkus Fuchsmann Otto Fuchs KG

* Robert Haldane Alcoa* Bryan Hall NSL Analytical Services, Inc.

Johanna Harrer Bohler Edelstahl GmbH & Co KGKoichi Hasegawa Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Ltd.

* Don Huffman Lisi AerospaceDaniel Hunt Haynes International, Inc.Irina Inkova Kamenska Uralsky Metallurgical

Works, J.S.Co. (KUMZ)Jens Kiehn Otto Fuchs KG

* Rick Kuhns Bristol IndutriesTao Liu NCS Testing Technology

* David Luoni Element Materials TechnologyRoger Ng Sulzer Metco (Canada), Inc.

* Annette O’Connell Haynes International, Inc.Owen O’Grady Exova Europe

* Bob Olevson Element Materials TechnologyLee Parsley Click Bond, Inc.

* Pierre-Emmanuel

Richy Aubert & Duval

* James Rossi Westmoreland Mechanical Testing** Peter Schmidt SGS Institut Fresenius GmbH* Peter Scrimshire IncoTest* Dave Serbousek Olympic Scientific, Inc.

Derek Sicotte Dirats LaboratoriesTsunao Tezuka IHI Corporation

* Jeff Viney Metcut Research Associates, Inc.* Donna Warner Heartland Precision Fasteners, Inc.

PRI Staff Present

Rob HoethJim LewisKevin Wetzel

1.2 Introductions – CLOSED/OPEN

Attendees introduced themselves.

1.3 Code of Ethics/Antitrust and Meeting Conduct - CLOSED/OPEN

The PRI video regarding the Code of Ethics, Antitrust and meeting conduct was shown. The meeting rules and meeting voting protocol were also reviewed.


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1.4 Review Agenda - CLOSED/OPEN

The agenda was reviewed. All presentations from the meeting are posted in eAuditNet under Resources → Public Documents → Materials Testing Laboratories → Nadcap Meeting Presentations → June 2014.

1.5 Approval of Previous Meeting Minutes - OPEN

The minutes from February 2014 were approved as written.

1.6 RAIL Review - OPEN

The Rolling Action Item List (RAIL) was reviewed.

For specific details, please see the current MTL Task Group Rolling Action Item List posted at www.eAuditNet.com, under Public Documents.

1.7 Succession Plan - OPEN

Verl Wisehart (Rolls Royce Corp) was confirmed as current Secretary. An m-frm-01 has been completed.

Arielle Corne (Spirit AeroSystems) has agreed to become the secretary for the October 2014 meeting. Lindsey Schurle (Spirit AeroSystems) will speak with Arielle Corne to determine interest in Vice Chair position.

ACTION ITEM: Lindsey Schurle (Spirit AeroSystems) to speak with Arielle Corne to determine interest in Vice Chair position. (Due Date: 31-Jul-2014)

Dan Graves (Goodrich UTAS) has agreed to volunteer for Vice Chair if Arielle Corne does not wish to take this position

2.0 AUDIT REPORT REVIEWER DELEGATION OVERSIGHT – CLOSED

Nadcap Management Council (NMC) Metric Subscriber’s ballot participation was reviewed including the method for achieving the 10% minimum delegation oversight requirement of NOP-003. The current metric is green in eAuditNet Dashboard which is defined as “All Audit Reviewer's Delegation Oversight Percentage are 20% or above.”

The Metrics tab on the eAuditNet Dashboard and the t-frm-07 for all reviewers were reviewed. All current delegated reviewers (Kevin Wetzel, Jim Lewis, Rob Hoeth, and Bob Lizewski) continue to meet the requirements defined in NOP-003. All reviewers maintained their delegated status.

3.0 AUDITOR EVALUATIONS – CLOSED

No issues needed to be addressed. This topic will only be on the agendas going forward for meetings that coincide with the auditor conference unless any particular issues need to be addressed.

4.0 AUDITOR CONSISTENCY (NOP-012) – CLOSED

MTL practice of surveillance audits makes audits inconsistent from one to the next. The use of observation audits is the best approach to date. The team will investigate other methods for analysis as time and need allows.

The current team consists of Gary Winters as the lead and includes Muriel Malhomme, Colin Fletcher, and Doug Deaton volunteering to join the team.

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ACTION ITEM: Kevin Wetzel to arrange a kickoff Auditor Consistency WebEx to establish standing meetings including Gary Winters, Muriel Malhomme, Colin Fletcher and Doug Deaton with Supplier support from Bryan Hall and Derek Sicotte. (Due Date: 31-Jul-2014)

5.0 MATTERS OF ACCREDITATION – CLOSED

Audit 160935 failure ballot was discussed with the audit report reviewer, Jim Lewis. The audit reached a failure threshold for the second time prompting a second ballot for too many cycles. The decision of failure remains a determination of the Task Group. The failure ballot is not a recommendation; it allows the Task Group to make a failure determination when procedurally defined thresholds are exceeded. Further issues were created by the Supplier providing objective evidence to Subscribers outside the system and “Don’t Fail” ballots were based on email communication without evidence in eAuditNet causing unclear ballot direction. The Task Group decided to continue the review process and allow the Supplier to attempt to close the remaining NCRs.

On the matter of improved Subscriber communication in support of audits, Task Group Discussion and Ballot Forum functionality were explained and discussed for use during general audit review. It was determined that all communication for a specific audit between the Staff Engineer and Subscribers would occur within eAuditNet. All Subscribers in attendance indicated support of using the ‘Task Group Discussion’ and ‘Forum’ for any communications pertinent to the audit. The Task Group would like Audit Reviewers to email Task Group Subscribers when input is desired during review or during ballot.

Audit 151194 NCR 6: Task Group Resolution was discussed and the Task Group agrees with proposed timeframe for completion of proficiency testing plan or otherwise the scope will be adjusted if timeframe is not met.

ACTION ITEM: Rob Hoeth to check if an enhancement request was made for identifying if a Subscriber had previously balloted on an audit exists on the ballot summary page. If so, check scoring, if not, create. (Due Date: 31-Jul-2014)

6.0 MEMBERSHIP – OPEN

All Voting members that are not meeting criteria have been contacted concerning their participation.

One (1) Subscriber and one (1) Supplier have missed two (2) consecutive ballots.

One (1) Subscriber Olivier Molinas - Airbus Helicopters; has been approved by the Chairperson to be maintained as a voting member.

One (1) Supplier Jennifer Tret - Element; has been removed from Task Group voting status

One (1) Supplier has missed three (3) consecutive meetings.

One (1) Supplier Wayne Brege – Cannon Muskegon Corp.; has been removed from Task Group voting status

New Members


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Dan Graves of Goodrich (UTAS) was proposed as an Alternative Subscriber Voting Member. Motion made and seconded to accept Dan Graves as an Alternative Subscriber Voting Member. Subscriber meets the background requirements of NTGOP-001 App MTL. Motion passed.

Pedro Astola of Titania was proposed as a Supplier Voting Member. There were no objections. Pedro Astola is accepted as a Supplier Voting Member.

Rick Kuhns of Bristol Industries was proposed as a Supplier Voting Member. There were no objections. Rick Kuhns is accepted as a Supplier Voting Member.

Donna Warner of Heartland Precision Fasteners was proposed as a Supplier Voting Member. There were no objections. Donna Warner is accepted as a Supplier Voting Member.

An m-frm-01 has been completed by all new voting members.

7.0 NADCAP TUTORIAL – OPEN

An MTL Task Group Tutorial was presented. No further discussion followed.

Bryan Hall – NSL gave a brief presentation concerning the Supplier Support Committee (SSC). This was an effort to increase MTL supplier attendance at the SSC meeting scheduled for 24-Jun-2014. For complete details of the meeting, see the SSC Minutes posted on www.p-r-i.org.

8.0 ACTIVITY REPORTS – OPEN

Between meetings activity:Checklists balloted and AC7101/1F releasedAudit Handbook updated

Technical Presentation solicitation for October meetingDave Luoni – Element offered to provide a 30 minute presentation about Maximizing the Nadcap Audit Experience

Active revision Checklist statusAC7101/1F releasedAC7101/2 45 day ballot complete and ready for ballot resolutionAC7101/3 ready for Affirmation ballot and Handbook Supplement reviewAC7101/4 Affirmation ballot complete, needs ballot resolution, and Handbook Supplement reviewAC7101/5 45 day ballot complete and ready for ballot resolutionAC7101/12 45 day ballot closed-insufficient support for new checklist

TAGs reported on TAG function and a summary of activity/challenges AC7101/1

o Definitions for Yearly and 2 Year requirement definedo Round Robin replicates clarifiedo Use of CRM for mechanical testing clarifiedo 9.1.6 in AC7101/1F clarified

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AC7101/2 – No Updates or Requests o Dave Luoni to take the Chair position with Arielle Corne, Amanda Rickman and

Muriel Malhomme as team members AC7101/3 – No Updates or Requests AC7101/4 – No Updates or Requests AC7101/5 – No Updates or Requests AC7101/6 – No Updates or Requests AC7101/7 – No Updates or Requests AC7101/9 – No Updates or Requests

o Dan Graves and Colin Fletcher joined team AC7101/11 - No Updates or Requests PTP TAG – No Updates or Requests

ASTM Revision update on Mechanical Testing update provided by Jim Hartman and presented by Tim Myers.

ASTM Revision update on Sample Preparation update presented by John ChirASTM Revision update on Microindentation Hardness update presented by John ChirASTM Revision update on Grain Size update presented by John ChirASTM Revision update on Inclusions update presented by John ChirASTM Revision update on Quantitative Metallography update presented by John Chir

Industry Standard creation update was provided by Tim Myers with lack of Subscriber support likely leading to an end of this plan for NOP-002 Compliance. Further clarity will be sought from NMC.

Muriel Malhomme reported on PTP/IRR TAG activity on identifying areas of gaps and presented proposed options for meeting the requirement where gaps exist.

ACTION ITEM: PTP TAG to create a listing of Subscriber requirements for PTP and to show existing gaps. (Due Date: 31-Aug-2014)

ACTION ITEM: Audit Handbook team to add summary language provided by PTP TAG to be added in the Audit Handbook. (Due Date: 31-Aug-2014)

Awards of appreciation were presented to the following:Bryan Hall - NSLGeraldine Zolla – NSLDerek Sicotte - Dirats


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Kay Fisher - BohlerVerl Wisehart – Rolls RoyceKevin Wetzel - PRI

Julien Corato presented the AGS PTP 2014 proposal. Any questions should be sent to [email protected]

ACTION ITEM: Kevin Wetzel to post AGS PTP 2014 proposal to public documents in eAuditNet. (Due Date: 31-Jul-2014)

Tim Myers reported on NMC meeting discussion on Vision progress. NMC will review marked criteria with their representative and industry standard development. MTL and NMC will meet in September to determine a path forward.

Kay Fisher presented a report out for AC7101/1F audit feedback from team of Suppliers who volunteered to perform a self-audit utilizing the new revision. No checklist question changes were recommended.

ACTION ITEM: Dave Luoni to determine if the current tables and forms comply with AC7101/1 Rev. F. (Due Date: 31-Jul-2014)

9.0 AGENDA REVIEW – OPEN

The agenda for the balance of the meeting was reviewed and adjusted.

10.0 AUDITOR CONFERENCE 2014 – OPEN

The agenda for the 2014 Auditor Conference was discussed. Key items provided were: Subscribers share observations/feedback from oversight audits Discussion about NCRs created or upgraded after auditor leaves site Review of TAG conclusions since last Auditor Conference How to write NCRs (examples from other TGs showing detail within NCR) Summarize important points from Auditor Conference back into Audit Handbook Discussion about improving “observation aspect” of audits Time management especially when time runs short Discussion about forms/figures/tables and the transition to AC7101/1 Rev. F Discuss checklist interpretation challenges-confusing verbiage or where TG is wrong Small group discussion after some deliberation time on AC7101/1 Rev. F Document auditor common understanding “it means…” Discuss understanding and issues of PTP/RR Encourage TAG engagement

11.0 AUDITOR CONSISTENCY (NOP-012) – OPEN

Bryan Hall reviewed the Task Group 2013 February report out of what the auditor consistency sub-team had done at that time.

Bryan Hall and Derek Sicotte were added to Auditor Consistency Subteam – See item 4 for Subteam Members.

12.0 MTL VISION SUCCESSES – OPEN

This item was not reviewed in favor of Task Group working time.

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13.0 TASK GROUP WORK SESSIONS – OPEN

Break out groups formed:

AC7101/2 ballot comments were resolved.




Continuation of item 13.

15.0 SUPPLIER TOPICS – OPEN

This item was not reviewed; Cancelled in favor of Task Group working time.


Continuation of item 13.

17.0 FEEDBACK – OPEN

Tim Myers gave a review of feedback received from the London February 2014 MTL meeting.

Meeting comments

Desire more technical presentations aligned with ACs Concern about the future with NMC direction Concerns about subscriber support Concern about making the meetings valuable to everyone Meeting execution continues to be pleasing Only 10 people provided feedback

18.0 NADCAP MEETING REPORTS – OPEN

Tim Myers reported on Planning and Ops meeting. For complete details of the meeting, see the Planning and Ops meeting minutes posted on www.p-r-i.org.

Bryan Hall presented an overview of the SSC and items of interest from the SSC meeting. For complete details of the meeting, see the SSC Minutes posted on www.p-r-i.org.

Discussions ensued on low attendance at SSC due to the following identified issues:

Repetition of topics Slow actions such as flow down due to more subscriber involvement needed

19.0 MTL PROGRAM STATUS – OPEN

Kevin Wetzel presented a review of the health of the MTL Task Group via the Dashboard in eAuditNet. The NMC metrics were reviewed by the Task Group. No action was required.

Kevin Wetzel presented a review of Auditor Capacity. Capacity can support the current audit requirements. MTL is always looking for additional auditor candidates.




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Completion of item 13.

21.0 MEETING WRAP-UP – OPEN

Action items developed during the meeting were reviewed.

A vote was taken which approved all Handbook revisions identified during this meeting.

ACTION ITEM: Audit Handbook team to include AC7101/1 discussion results into AC7101/1 audit handbook supplement. (Due Date: 31-Jul-2014)

The following are the objectives for next meeting

Review output of Auditor Conference Technical discussions Review MTL Vision short and long term actions Discussion about how subscribers might reduce individual lab audits. Understand how many

audits subscribers are performing at Nadcap labs. Same from lab perspective. Small groups Checklist revisions Report/possible group for Auditor Consistency Joint session for discussion with Non Metallic Materials Testing (NMMT)

ACTION ITEM: Rob Hoeth to provide AC7101/1 Rev. F NCR data similar to previous and sanitize NCRs and provide to Gary Winters, Bryan Hall and Derik Sicotte. (Due Date: 1-Oct-2014)

ACTION ITEM: Kevin Wetzel to post Kay Fisher’s presentation AC7101/1F audit feedback – open question resolved (Due Date: 31-Jul-2014)

ACTION ITEM: Kevin Wetzel to coordinate a closed meeting discussion with NMMT at the October 2014 Nadcap meeting. (Due Date: 1-Aug-2014)

The October 2014 agenda will include the following:

Sunday Auditor Conference by invitation Nadcap meeting 3 days Monday morning closed, afternoon open Tues open Wed open.

ACTION ITEM: Kevin Wetzel to schedule a conference call for AC7101/3 letter ballot comment resolution. (Due Date: 31-Jul-2014)

TAG Resolution:

ACTION ITEM: Kevin Wetzel to issue an Auditor Advisory. (It is not the expectation of the MTL Task Group that alignment for static test equipment be redone based upon the changes implemented in ASTM E1012 Rev 2012 or NASM 1312. Current Nadcap requirements for frequency still apply.) (Due Date: 31-Jul-2014)

Bryan Hall moved to use existing MTL TAGs which have established subscriber quorum to review changes to industry specifications applicable to that TAG. At meeting report outs, review consequences of change for the Task Group, for example editorial only or needs to be implemented. Outcome of report out to be communicated to MTL suppliers, subscribers and auditors for consistency. Doug Deaton seconded. Passed


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ACTION ITEM: Audit Handbook team to incorporate guidance approved at the June Nadcap meeting in Audit Handbook. (Due Date: 31-Jul-2014)

ADJOURNMENT – 26-Jun-2014 – Meeting was adjourned at 2:12 p.m.

Minutes Prepared by: Verl Wisehart [email protected] Rob Hoeth [email protected]

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Are procedural/form changes required based on changes/actions approved during this meeting? (select one)

YES* ☐ NO ☒

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