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  • Three main things mentioned in the Flier (page 2) regarding Brahma Baba doesnt tally with Murlis (Gods versions). Our humble request for you to go through the Murli points mentioned in this pdf.

    1 Translation of the above which is printed in Brahma Kumaris Flier (page 2):

    For the completion of this intention, Incorporeal Supreme Father Supreme Soul Shiva enters

    an experienced, generous and pure souls body. He calls him with the name Prajapita

    Brahma. His previous name was Dada Lekhraj, he was a famous businessman in jewels.

    It is given here, that God entered experienced, generous, pure souls body who was also a

    jewel merchant. This doesnt tally with Gods versions Murli which is the breath of the Brahmins in the Confluence Age.

    I come only in an ordinary persons body. Neither too poor nor too rich. [Mu. 26-4-73 Pg-2]

    We cannot say Brahma was neither too poor nor too rich, because he was a jewel merchant. He was

    a rich man. This murli point is not for Brahma Baba. Yes, definitely Brahma Baba surrendered

    everything in Gods task after his visions got clarified. There are Murli points which indicates, Brahma

    Baba didnt understand the meaning of the visions he received. Read further.

    Does Shivbaba have any ego? He is such a great authority. He says that I come in an

    ordinary body, in an ordinary house. I don't come in a rich person's house. [Mu 9-7-71 Pg-2]

    Brahma Baba left his body on Jan 18, 1969. He had 84 births but we cannot say it was complete 84

    births. Murli point here says not even a day lesser. Part has to be played through a corporeal body.

    This is something to be understood.

    I enter the number one thorn and make him

    [into] the number one flower. Murli 10/5/1968

    page 2 end

    I certainly enter the one who has complete

    84 births; not even a day lesser. [Mu. 15.10.69.

    P2.]

    Body will be left when fathers chariot will

    be taken.- Murli 10/5/1968 page 2 at the

    end.

  • This is such an important point, where Baba is telling when it is the time to take the chariot of the one

    who plays Fathers role, that time Shiva will leave the body of Brahma Baba. Here, father is being referred to Prajapita Brahma, who was also there in the beginning of the yagya through whom Shiva

    gave the clarifications of Brahmas visions.

    Shiva didnt enter Brahma Baba in 1936 as Brahma Babas age at that time was around 50 years. See

    the file copied at the end of the document, it is from an article from Dadi Nirmal Shanta, lokik

    daughter of Dada Lekhraj published in Gyanamrit 01/02/1986

    , . Murli 6/1/2002

    The Father says, when he was at the age of 60, at the end of the end of his many births,

    when it was his retirement age that was the time I entered [him]. Murli 6/11/2002

    Indeed Baba had visions of destruction and establishment. He had the accurate visions of

    the future, but at first he did not understand that he would become this Vishnu 06/06/1973,

    03/07/1999

    Visions occurred, what is the attainment from it? Nothing at all. Visions of four armed Vishnu

    is received then disappears. Will you become Lakshmi Narayan from this? Visions of the aim

    is received 27/09/1977

    , | - . Murli 26, 07/1988 In the beginning of the page 2, Murli 26/07/1988 Baba narrates his experience; in the beginning when he went to Banaras, he used to draw circles etc on the walls. He didnt understand anything; [he thought] what is all this. It is because this one simply became like a baby.

    Dada Lekhraj did not understand the meaning of the visions. The visions of Dada Lekhraj was clarified

    by someone else. It is not as written in Adidev Book, ..prakash swaroopam Shivoham

    Shivoham.. According to Murli, see what Baba says

    Murli 15/6/1978

    If someone says Shivoham then Baba will say it is so dumb Murli 15/6/1978

    Who was the one who clarified Brahma Babas visions? Read further.There are murlis which clearly

    says, who is the father of Brahma, how did Brahma come.?

    ? ! , ? ? . Murli 4/11/1973 Who is Brahmas Father? Can anybody say, the Trustees of this Dilwada temple also know who Adi Dev is? Who was his father? Adi Dev Prajapita Brahma Murli 4/11/1973 If we answer the above question as, Shiva is the Father of Brahma, He is the Father of all the souls. What is the need for Shiva to ask a question like this, as who is Brahmas Father?

    | - Murli 22/3/1973

    The one who gave advice to Brahma would definitely have been good. Murli 22/3/1973

  • . , . , . . Murli 6/1/1971

    Even though it is said Prajapita Brahma, nobody knows his biography. They dont know where did Brahma come from either. The Father has explained, this one is a mahaarathi

    (great warrior). I have taken the support [of his body] at the end of [his] many births. Murli 6/1/1971 Same Murli again, when reprinted and circulated.all the above IMPORTANT sentences were removed and some additions were made.

    . , . . Murli 9/1/1986

    Even though it is said Prajapita Brahma, nobody knows his biography. The Father has

    explained, this one is my chariot. I have taken the support [of his body] at the end of [his]

    many births. Murli 6/1/1971 Ask yourself, how can one remove Gods versions? Is SHRIMAT being followed? Can children add their sentences in MURLI? Is this not Manmat? Why an attempt is being made to hide the Truth?

    | , | | | | ? | Murli 15/2/1984 All these are the children of Prajapita Brahma. Some call him as Adam, some call him as Adi Dev. Male and female are definitely there. Yours is the household path. It is not a path of

    renunciation. What will happen with one hand? Both wheels are needed. Murli 15/2/1984

    | | , | | | | ? - Murli 15/5/1977 Baba speaks about him. I used to do the business of jewels. Big (Senior) Baba said: now you

    should do the business of spiritual imperishable gems of knowledge. With this you will

    become like this. He had the visions of four armed [Vishnu]. Now, you receive the

    emperorship of the world. Should I take it or do this business. The business of imperishable

    gens of knowledge is the best. Murli 15/5/1977

    Baba didnt understand the visions that he received. There was someone who clarified it for him.

    ? | | ! | | ! Murli 11/5/1989 How this knowledge came in Baba? He didnt have any Guru either. The part is fixed in him in advance according to the Drama. This will be called [the law] of nature, wont it? Everything is wonderful. So Father sits and explains new things. You should remember such a

    Father a lot. Murli 11/5/1989

    Brahma Baba had so many Gurus. The above murli point is being referred to whom?

  • For Prajapita Brahma, through whom Shiva plays the role of the Father and it was through

    him that the clarifications of Brahma Babas visions were given.

    | | |Murli 27/2/1976 The Father will certainly enter [him] in Calcutta. He will free this Dada. Then He will take care all these [children]. Murli 27/2/1976

    Dada Lekhraj was from Sindh Hyderabad. Who was in Calcutta? It was his partner, who was

    also his brother-in-law in whom Shiva entered and gave clarifications to Brahma Baba.

    The soul who plays the part of Prajapita is a different soul. It is not Dada Lekhraj.

    But, in the Brahma Kumaris flier(page 2), it is given differently which doesnt tally with Murlis.

    2 Translation of the above:

    Brahma Baba is the corporeal worlds first Creator, who is Adi Dev, first Brahmin and first Man,

    first creation of the new world, Gods first child and worlds Elder, Ancestor and Grand

    Father.

    This doesnt tally with Gods versions Murli.

    Adidev means Adam. First and foremost thing is to look at the murlis which clearly indicates Brahma and

    Prajapita are different. Brahma means, Brah means big and ma means mother, that is Brahma is a big

    mother, meaning God played the part of Mother through Dada Lekhraj. And Prajapita is a different personality

    through whom God plays the part of Father.

    , | | - Murli 4/10/1977 Adam meaning Adidev, Adidevi are the first. [Then] the creation has been created through

    them. Murli 4/10/1977

    , | | | Murli 5/2/1995

    They call out, you are Mother and the Father. But nobody understands the meaning of this.

    They think it is for incorporeal Father. Murli 5/2/1995

    , | | - Murli 14/10/1972 You cannot say the Mother and the Father for Brahma and Saraswati. Brahma is the not the

    one who creates vaikunth (heaven). Murli 14/10/1972

    | | , , | | | | - Murli 17/5/1978

  • It is said you are the Mother and the Father. So, the Mother is also needed along with the

    Father. People think Brahma is Adam, Saraswati is Eve. Actually it is wrong. If there is

    Incorporeal God Father, certainly the Mother is also there. But those people say it for one

    Jagadamba. Murli 17/5/1978

    , . . , . . . Murli 19/7/1973

    You can say, actually you are also a Brahmakumar kumari. You know Prajapita Brahma. That

    one is the Creator of human world. The Incorporeal Supreme Father Supreme Soul does not

    create souls. In fact, He is the Eternal Father of the souls. Murli 19/7/1973

    Here the hindi word vah meaning that one, indicates Shiva through Brahma is indicating for

    someone else, not for Brahma. If Shiva was indicating Brahma Baba then, he would have said yah,

    that is this one.

    | | ! | | | | | | | Murli - 7/9/1977 The word Prajapita should definitely be written before [the word] Brahmakumaris. Saying

    Prajapita proves [the presence of] the Father. We do ask the question: what is the relationship

    with Prajapita? Because many have the name Brahma. Some females also have the name

    Brahma. No one has the name Prajapita. So, the word Prajapita is very important. Prajapita

    is called Adidev but they dont understand the meaning of Adidev. Prajapita will certainly be

    present here.- Murli 7/9/1977

    In this murli point, it is very clear that Prajapita is Adi Dev but Brahma Baba is not Adi Dev from the previous

    murli. Also in the murli below.

    , | | - Murli 2/10/1977 Actually Prajapita is the main foundation of this tree of the new world, called as the Kalpa Vrush. It means Shivbaba is Baba, the father of all human beings, and the first Brahmin is

    created through Brahma. Murli 2/10/1977

    | | - Murli 7/9/1977 Then that Brahma becomes Adidev. Adi means of the beginning. Murli 7/9/1977 Very clearly it is said here, that Brahma..if it was Dada Lekhraj, he was right there. Shiva should have said, this Brahma.

    " | | , | | | - Murli 19/7/1973 Prajapita Brahma is also eternal. The Father of the souls has come in him. After coming, he has to adopt Brahma to create subjects. He creates Brahmins through Brahma. This will be

    much easier to understand. Murli 19/7/1973

  • - Murli 13/2/1975 page 2 middle Brahma is not called the Creator Murli 13/2/1975

    - Murli 26/6/1977 page 2, beginning Prajapita Brahma is also called the Creator Murli 26/6/1977

    . . . Murli 19/12/2001 Prajapita Brahma is also called the Father. Then who is the mother. This Brahma becomes the mother. Murli 19/12/2001 Gita Chapter 11 - Viswaroopa Sandharshana Yoga, Verse 38

    twamadidevah purushah puranah twamasya vishwasya paramam nidhanam In the scriptures, this sloka is in praise of Shankar. In the knowledge, one can understand the one who is Prajapita is the one through whom Shiva plays the part of Shankar. In devotion, Shivas name is added with Shankar, because the one through whom Shiva is revealed will be the one who is the original Prajapita Brahma, not Brahma Baba. Shivas name is not combined with Brahmas or Vishnus name.

    Through Prajapita Brahma, Shivbaba gives inheritance to the Brahmakumar-kumaris. Through Brahma Shivbaba creates the clan of Brahmins. Murli 1/3/1976 page 3 middle It is very clear stated in this murli, Prajapita Brahmas task and Brahma Babas task are different. But both are needed.

    One has to understand, we are not discounting the part of Brahma Baba here. NO, absolutely not.

    We are making an effort to show you that Murlis are indicating Brahma Baba is our corporeal Mother

    through whom love is experienced by all the Brahmins but inheritance cannot be received. Prajapita

    Brahma is our corporeal Father through whom inheritance will be received. The chariot through

    whom Shiva will be revealed, will be the Father of Humanity, Prajapita Brahma whose body will be

    there until all the souls 7 billion are present in this world.

    There are two souls, Krishnas soul and Rams soul. In their last birth, Krishnas soul plays the part of

    being Brahma (Brahm means Big, ma means Mother Big Mother, that is Jagadamba). Brahma is not

    worshipped, temples arent built for him and his idols arent made either. Why? Because the task of

    the Supreme Soul wasnt completed when Brahma Baba left the body. But the same soul plays the

    role of Jagadamba later and receives a lot of worship and praise. The same soul, also plays the part

    of Dharmaraj. As said in the Murli, my right hand is Dharmaraj. In Trimurti, God will be revealed

    through Shankar. All this and much more can be understood through Advance knowledge which

    God Shiva is giving through His corporeal chariot, Prajapita Brahma.

    Children who dont understand are separating mother and father, but this will not happen. They both

    will come together and finish the task.

    , . Murli Dec 31, 2015

    This is the first mother of the Deity religion, who is called Jagadamba. Murli 31/12/2015

  • Just like, Krishnas soul in his last birth plays the role of Brahma, Rams soul plays the role of

    Shankar.

    Rams soul plays the part of Prajapita Brahma. Prajapita is the father of humanity. Through

    this chariot, Shiva will be revealed as this soul becomes equal to Shiva without leaving the

    body. Thats why Shivas name is combined with Shankar. He is worshipped a lot in this form.

    There are many other references in the murlis, where clear indications of two souls are given.

    Even though Shiva came and gave the knowledge through Brahma Baba, how come

    Brahma is not worshipped in the path of devotion, temples and idols arent made for him.

    Why? Did you ever think? Baba has clearly mentioned in the murlis that, everything of the

    Confluence Age is the memorial in the path of devotion. Through Brahma Baba, mothers

    role was played but God wasnt revealed in the whole world and it is through Prajapita

    Brahma in the form of Shankar, Vishwanath, or Shiv Shankar, that God will be revealed in

    front of the whole world.

    Kumarka, tell [Me], how many children does Shivbaba have? Some say 500 crore (5 Billion);

    some say that Brahma is the only child. Isnt Shankar [My] child? Then whose child is he?

    There is margin for this too. I say, Shivbaba has two children, because Brahma becomes

    Vishnu. The one who is left is Shankar. So there are two, arent there? Why do you leave out

    Shankar? Although it is said: the Trimurti but their occupations are different, arent they?

    Murli 14/5/1972

    Murli 15/5/1977, same murli reprinted nothing was altered.

    Same Murli again, when reprinted and circulated.all the above IMPORTANT sentences in RED were

    removed.

    " , ? , . , " Murli 12/5/1987

    Kumarka, tell me, how many children does have? Some say 500 crore (5 Billion); some say

    that Brahma is the only child. Although it is said: the Trimurti but their occupations are

    different, arent they? Murli 12/5/1987

    Is Shrimat being followed by taking out Murli points?

  • 3 Translation of the above:

    Ever since then, through his Avyakt form he (Brahma Baba) has been guiding the children of

    Brahma through his divine inspirations.

    It is said, directions are still given even though Brahma Baba has left the body.

    Can the study of Rajyog take place through inspiration?

    Baba says in the end of pg.1 of the murli dated 20.08.78: I am the Ocean of Knowledge; but how can I, the incorporeal One, teach through inspiration while I am sitting above? Teaching

    never takes place in this way. Would a professor sitting at home be able to teach the

    students through inspiration? He will definitely have to come to the school, wont he?

    In the end of pg.3 of the murli dated 08.08.76: If yoga and knowledge were to be taught through inspiration, then the Father says, Why would I have come to this dirty world?

    Inspiration, blessings, all these are the words of the path of bhakti (devotion).

    At the beginning of pg.3 in the murli dated 16.03.75: Now (in the Confluence Age) I am face to face. I too become a trustee and then I make you trustees. Whatever you do, do it

    after asking. I am alive, am I not? Baba will continue giving advice for everything.

    Brahmakumar -kumaris believe that Shiva comes in subtle Brahma Baba, and they both

    together come in Dadi Gulzar.

    This doesnt tally with Gods versions Murli.

    The Father Himself explains. The one whom He has entered also listens. Murli 07/02/1968,

    page 1 beginning.

    Shivbaba could come in the body of a pure maiden, but it is against the rule. How can the

    Father ride on a maiden? - Murli 15.10.69. P2.

    ShivBaba wont sit and explain in big gatherings. Murli 4/9/1973 page 2 middle

  • I dont enter deity Brahma who is the resident of subtle world. Murli 4/22/1972, page 1

    middle

    It isnt that you invoke Baba. No. You cannot invoke Baba at all. Baba has to come on His

    own Murli 12/04/1976 page 1, beginning

    But, milan dates are announced way ahead of time and on the day of milan all the children

    are invoke Shivbaba.

    No one comes to know when I come because I am incognito. You children are incognito as

    well.No one comes to know when He entered, when He came in the chariot. Murli

    26/01/1968, page 1 beginning. (But we come to know the entrance in Dadi Gulzar.)

    Why? It is ONLY Brahma Baba who enters, thats the reason why it is known to everyone. Dadi Gulzar

    isnt aware about what is spoken through her body. So, she has to read the vani later. Avyakt Vani is

    very powerful but it is based on Dhaarnaa (virtues), why? It is because the soul of Brahma Baba who

    will become the first prince in the Golden Age gives the teaching of divine qualities through Dadi

    Gulzar.

    Whenever the Father comes, does anyone come to know about it? No. One cannot even

    know. Murli 15.3.73. P4.

    Avyakt Vani 23- 01- 1969

    Very sweet Baba has sent me to have spiritual chit chat, to meet you all children Avyakt

    Vani 23/01/1969

    This was just 5 days after Brahma Baba left the body. It clearly indicates, only Brahma came

    not Shiva in Dadi Gulzar.

    . . ? Murli 1/1/1972

    God is certainly incorporeal. Love with him should be in corporeal, shouldnt it? How will you

    love the Incorporeal One? Murli 1/1/1972, page 1 beginning

    Shiva needs a corporeal chariot to be here and the murlis have given indications about the

    future part of the Father.

  • Since Baba already knew children will alter murlis. Baba said:

    , , | | , | , | | , | , | | Murli 29/03/2002 Writing Murli is a very good service, everyone will be happy, they will give blessings. The

    word Baba is very good. Otherwise they will write the word isnt good. Baba, they send us the

    broken pieces of jewel. Our jewels have stolen away. Baba, we have the right: every jewel

    that comes out of the mouth [of the Father] should reach us. Only the ones who are unique

    will say this. You should do the service of Murlis very well. Murli 29/03/2002

    . ? . , , . Murli 14/6/1989 page 1 at the end.

    Since He is the Father, He should definitely meet [the children]. How can He be the Father if

    he is just called the father but never meets [the children]? He meets all the souls of the world.

    He fulfills the wishes and desires of all the children. Murli 14/6/1989 page 1 at the end.

    The Advance Group, especially the gathering of the special famous souls in it, is very strong. The

    wonderful part of preparing the Earth [like intellect] is being played through these souls at a fast pace

    to bring about the elevated birth, the first birth (to bring about the divine birth in the form of revelation

    of Krishna in the capital Delhi. (Avyakt vani of 18.01.80, end of page 222)

    |

    Love for the murli means love for the Murlidhar (the

    narrator of the murlis) (A.V.18.01.07, middle of pg.5).

  • Please visit www.pbks.info for more information.

    Dont miss this chance to RECOGNIZE your

    Beloved Father in the corporeal form.

    If not NOW, then it will be TOO LATE.

    Our Father Shiva has not gone back, He will definitely keep up His promise of taking us back

    with Him.

    The Fathers promise to the Brahmin children, we will go together, we will die together, and we will live together, meaning we will complete the part. [...] Can He break it in

    between? Can the foundation that is made the instrument in the task of establishment be

    removed in between? (A.V.30.06.74, pg.84-85)

    It is Shankar who is shown with Rudraksha mala. Shiva will create Rudra mala through

    Shankar, who will be known as Vishwanath, the Lord of the World.

    Give a little thought. If you really love murlis, then you MUST act NOW. It is through murlis (tons

    of murli points), one can recognize the sakar part of the Father.

    Attached with this email is the Advance Trimurti Book in Hindi and in English.

    Good wishes for whatever you DECIDE!

    As your soul brother, it is my duty to bring this into your attention.

    Om Shanti!