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This is NOT an attempt to divert readers from the aforementioned website. Indeed, the reader

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(UFO) Men-in-Black

karl 12 posted on Dec, 30 2018 @ 07:17 AM

Always been pretty fascinated with claims of UFO witnesses being 'silenced' or evidence going

missing (link). And there are some interesting comments made in this dossier from John Keel

concerning 'organized harassment of UFO witnesses and researchers'. Also some intriguing statements

made below about the subject by Lt. General Hewitt T. Wheless in a 1967 memo to 'a number of

Defense Agencies' and comments made to Keel by the Pentagon's Colonel George P. Freeman.

The Position of the U.S. Government on MIB

Of all the interesting aspects of MIB, perhaps most intriguing is the fact that the

existence of MIB has been all but officially recognized by the United States Government.

On March 1, 1967, Lt. General Hewitt T. Wheless (the assistant Vice Chief of Staff of the

United States Air Force) sent the following memorandum to a number of defense

agencies, including Strategic Air Command (SAC):

"Information, not verifiable, has reached Hq USAF that persons claiming to represent

the Air Force or other Defense establishments, have contacted citizens who have sighted

Unidentified Flying Objects. In one reported case, an individual in civilian clothes who

represented himself as a member of NORAD demanded and received photos belonging to

a private citizen. In another, a person in an Air Force uniform approached local police

and other citizens who had sighted a UFO, assembled them in a school room, and told

them that they did not see what they thought they saw and that they should not talk to

anyone about the sighting.

All Military and Civilian personnel and particularly Information Officers and UFO

Investigating Officers who hear of such repots should immediately notify their local OSI

offices."

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The concrete nature of the phenomenon was accepted by the United States Air Force

who were concerned that persons passing themselves off as USAF personnel should be

visiting UFO witnesses. In February 1967, Colonel George P. Freeman, Penatagon

spokesman for the USAF's Project Bluebook, told UFO investigator John Keel in the

course of an interview:

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"Mysterious men dressed in Air Force uniforms or bearing impressive credentials

from Government agencies have been silencing UFO witnesses. We have checked a

number of these cases and these men are not connected to the Air Force in any way. We

haven't been able to find out anything about these men. By posing as Air Force officers

and Government agents, they are committing a Federal offence. We would sure like to

catch one. Unfortunately, the trail is always too cold by the time we hear about these

cases. But we are still trying."

Whatever your thoughts on John Keel (or MIBs), here he is giving a lecture on the subject in 1989.

And there's a free E-book copy of his book Operation Trojan Horse below.

The Men-In-Black (or MIB) are mysterious strangers that reportedly attempt to threaten

witnesses and reporters of strange occurrences (such as the Mothman) into silence. They

are sometimes thought of as "damage control" as if it is their job to contain and stifle

information from getting out to the Public.

Operation Trojan Horse is a book of UFOs and the paranormal which does not parrot

the popular line. It demonstrates the nexus existing between the various types of

paranormal manifestations (UFOs, hairy monsters, demons and ghosts, MIB, etc.)

And, most significantly, Keel proves that the correct identity/source of UFOs are not

aliens from other planets traveling aboard "spaceships" of "very advanced technology."

This book not only explains the nature of UFOs and paranormal critters but it can greatly

assist the individual in coming to a true and greatly extended conception regarding the

basic nature of reality.

Other researchers like Jenny Randles, Nick Redfern, Leonard Stringfield, Brad Stieger, and Timothy

Green Beckley have also written on this subject. There's a good collection of articles here for those who

are interested.

It's a phenomenon as old as the sighting of UFOs-and perhaps stranger than the

sightings themselves: Men in Black. With eerie consistency, UFO witnesses around the

world report their presence after a sighting or alien abduction. But who are these

shadowy figures-men dressed in dark clothing who seem to know intimate details about

witnesses' lives? And who strike unearthly fear in these people in order to keep then

quiet about what they saw? Are they just a figment of overactive imaginations? Are they

Government agents? Secret Service men? Aliens? Or part of a much darker force whose

urgent mission remains veiled in mystery?

For the first time ever, renowned UFO expert Jenny Randles blows the lid off this

fascinating and even life-threatening phenomenon. Through extraordinary case histories

of real-life encounters, Randles sheds stunning new light on these ominous strangers

known as the Men in Black.

Sourced by Nivek, this catalogue compiled by Gareth J. Medway also contains some rather freaky

and disturbing accounts (also some skeptical commentary at the bottom of the page). Excerpts:

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1924: John Cole, a newsman in West Virginia, visited the site of an ‘airplane’ crash in

Braxton County and was told by a man in a suit “with high cheekbones, slant

eyes,and dark skin” that no-one was hurt and no crime had been committed. Cole

picked up “a little thingamijig on the ground” and took it home. About 3 a.m., he had

a on the door. An Army officer with the same foreign appearance

demanded and received the return of “the metal thingamajig.” Keel, The Cosmic

Question, pp.148-50.

1952, 30 July: Carlo Rossi was fishing near Vico, Italy at the site where he had seen an

airborne disc on the 24th. He was approached by a tall thin man who asked him about

Flying Saucers. The man offered him a gold-tipped cigarette. When it made him ill,

Rossi threw it into the water and then walked off. “Fearing that someone was trying

to silence him, Rossi went to the Public Prosecutor’s office in the town of Lucca and

swore out a statement of his UFO encounter.” Randles, MIB, pp.143-44; Keel, The

Cosmic Question, p.151 (after Jacques Vallee).

1952, Late August: Sonny Desvergers of Florida received ‘anonymous threatening

telephone calls’ at work saying that he must not talk about his UFO encounter and

was followed about by a black automobile. Keel, Visitors from Space, p.104. Karl T.

Pflock, in Evans & Stacy, UFOs 1947-1997, p.48.

1952, September: Following sightings of a 10-foot tall monster in West Virginia by

`Kathleen May and some teenagers on 12th and by the Snitowski family on 13th,

“two men appeared in Braxton County posing as peddlers. They systematically

visited the homes of most of the witnesses. They showed little interest in selling pots

and pans but anxious to talk about the sightings for hours.” Keel, The Cosmic

Question, p.122.

1954, Easter: 3 men who photographed a UFO over the Nullarbor Plain had their film

confiscated by the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation (ASIO). One was

later visited by a purported ASIO agent who ordered silence and “frightened the

living shit out of me.” Randles, MIB, pp.56-57.

1955, July: Edward Mootz was working on the soil by a peach tree in Cincinnati on the

22nd when a red spray fell from the sky. Looking up, he saw a red-and green-object

like a pear standing on end. The tree was dead the next day. It was taken away by

three men who said they were from Air Force Intelligence. 2 weeks later, he saw a

black Chrysler Imperial park nearby and 3 men train a camera on his home. When he

challenged them, in broken English they said they were taking pictures of the local

industry and then quickly departed. Stringfield, Situation Red, pp.187-89.

1957, November: Olden Moore watched a circular machine land near Montville, Ohio on

the 6th, a few days later the local sheriff drove to his house with men in Air Force

uniforms. They took him to the field where he had seen the UFO. A helicopter was

waiting there. He was flown to an airport and put on a plane to Washington where he

was imprisoned for 3 days. Two officers tried to get him to admit he had seen

nothing but a ‘fireball’. Finally he was flown back to Ohio. But later, neither the

sheriff nor the Air Force would back his story. Keel, The Cosmic Question, pp.155-

56.

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1961, November: ‘Paul Miller’ was one of 4 men who had seen a UFO land in North

Dakota (but not reported it). He was called out from work and introduced to 2 (3?)

strangers who asked to be taken to his home. They examined the clothing he had

worn the night before (especially his boots) and then left without any further word.

Hynek, The UFO Experience, pp.183-84; Keel, The Cosmic Question, pp.152-53;

Evans, ‘Men in Black’, p.32; Keith, Casebook, p.66.

1963: Li Jing-Yang -- a security guard in Yangquan, Shansi Province, China -- saw an

object like 2 plates sealed together hovering in the sky. The next day, he was

approached by a strange man dressed in black who warned him not to talk about the

sighting. Randles, MIB, p.145.

1964, Late June: Jim Templeton of Carlisle, Cumberland was visited by ‘Number 9’ and

‘Number 11’ who “investigated these things” concerning his photograph of an unseen

man in a spacesuit taken on 24 May. They drove him to the site in a black Jaguar car

(“very shiny as if new”) and then left him there to walk home. Randles, MIB, pp.80-

82.

1965, August: Rex Heflin of Santa Ana, California had taken 4 Polaroid photographs of a

flying disc. He was advised by a Marine Corps investigator “not to talk about his

sighting” as did more than one telephone caller. He was then visited by a man

purportedly from the North American Air Defense (NORAD) who asked to borrow

his prints. But he never returned them. NORAD later denied any knowledge of the

matter. Condon, Scientific Study of Unidentified Flying Objects, pp.448-49.

1965 September: William McCoy and Robert Goode (policemen on patrol in Brazoria

County, Texas) saw “a great rectangular glob of purple light”. Then “Low-flying

light planes (apparently unmarked) flew back-and-forth over the area of the sighting

for the next 2 days. Shortly after the incident, 2 strangers turned up at the sheriff’s

office looking for Deputy Goode. They tracked the officer down in a local restaurant

and immediately proceeded to describe in detail what the UFO looked like even

before Goode had an opportunity to tell them. Then they suggested that if he should

encounter a similar machine in the future, he should cooperate with its occupants and

keep any conversations with them to himself. The identities of these 2 mystery men

have never been determined.” Keel, Operation Trojan Horse, p.254.

1965, December: An official at an industrial plant reported a glowing object to the state

police. A few hours later, 2 ‘military officers’ turned up, questioned him, and warned

him “Don’t talk about this matter to anyone.” Keel, The Cosmic Question, p.153

(after Frank Edwards).

1966, April: A man claiming to represent “a Government agency so secret that he

couldn’t give its name” appeared in a school in Norwalk, Connecticut and grilled two

12-year-old boys for 2 hours about a disc-shaped object that had pursued them at

ground level. Keith, Casebook, p.76.

1966 (?): An Ohio farmer saw a glowing circular object land in his fields. Next morning,

a black limousine pulled up and a man in an Air Force uniform told him to forget

what he had seen. He was a little fellow “with a face like a Chinaman or a Jap.”

Keel, The Cosmic Question, p.153.

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1966 (?): “An interesting report of ‘3 Women In Black’ was given by one correspondent

who had received his strange visitation after observing a large, gray disk in the sky

over his suburban residence.” (No more details given.) Steiger and Whritenour, New

UFO Breakthrough, p.76.

1966, 11 October: Several witnesses to a glowing object over the Wanaque Reservoir,

New Jersey including a policeman with an unlisted phone number received phone

calls before they had reported to anyone warning them to keep quiet. Keel, The

Cosmic Question, p.157.

Later, several witnesses were gathered in a High School auditorium by an Air

Force officer who derided them about the sighting. No-one could remember his name

and afterwards, the Air Force denied all knowledge of the case. Science and

Mechanics, The Official Guide to UFOs, pp.99-101.

1966, Mid-November: A man who had seen a UFO near Parkersburg, West Virginia on 2

November and not reported it was visited by ‘a scientist from Ohio’ who 'told us it

would be better if we forgot the whole thing.' Keel, Visitors from Space, p.50...

1966-67 (?): Ivan Sanderson whilst writing Uninvited Visitors noticed a car that kept

driving past his rural home in New Jersey. He noted the license plate and was

informed that no such car existed. He was then visited by 2 men in Air Force

uniforms who asked about his book. They refused to show him identification. So he

ordered them out of his house at gunpoint. The local Air Force base commander

denied knowing about them and said that Sanderson should report them to the police

for impersonating Air Force officers. He was plagued by strange electronic noises

over his phone for a long time afterwards. Keith, Casebook, p.76.

1966-67 (?): West Virginia: “Black limousines halted in front of hill homes and deeply

tanned ‘Census takers’ inquired about the number of children living with the families.

Always the children. In several instances, the occupants of the big black cars merely

asked for a glass of water ... A blonde woman in her thirties, well-groomed, with a

soft southern accent visited people in Ohio and West Virginia whom [John Keel] had

interviewed. She introduced herself as ‘John Keel’s secretary’, thus winning instant

admission. The clipboard she carried held a complicated form filled with personal

questions about the witnesses’ health, income, the type of cars they owned, their

general family background, and some fairly sophisticated questions about their UFO

sightings.” Keel had no secretary. Keel, Visitors from Space, p.83.

1967, 9 January: The Christiansen family of Wildwood, New Jersey who had seen a UFO

on 22 November 1966 were interviewed by “the strangest looking man I’ve ever

seen” wearing a thin black coat who introduced himself as ‘Tiny’ from the ‘Missing

Heirs Bureau’. He spoke in a high ‘tinny’ voice in clipped words and phrases like a

computer “as if he were reciting everything from memory.” His black trousers were

too short and “they could see a long thick green wire attached to the inside of his leg.

It came up out of his socks and disappeared under his trousers.” John Keel

commented that he had not heard of this feature in other MIB cases: “Was Tiny

wearing electric socks? Or was he a wired android operated by remote control?” He

departed in a black 1963 Cadillac. Sanderson, Uninvited Visitors, pp.160-61; Keel,

Visitors from Space, pp.85-89.

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1967, 7 February: Robert A. Stiff of Saucer Scoop received the first of 13 threatening

phone calls, beginning: “I would suggest you drop your investigation into certain so-

called UFO reports.” Steiger and Whritenour, New UFO Breakthrough, p.21.

1967, Spring (?): Carroll Wayne Watts of Texas who had encountered a landed saucer on

31 March and on subsequent occasions taken photos of it failed a lie detector test. He

later told Robert Loftin of the University of Colorado that driving to Amarillo to take

the test, he stopped to help a woman driver in apparent distress when he was knocked

down from behind. 2 men in dark business suits told him that if he passed the test, he

would be shot. Beckley, The UFO Silencers, pp.34-38; Keith, Casebook, pp.79-82.

1967, Early April: A farmer north of Gallipolis, Ohio saw a “big red-and-white glowing

thing” sitting in a field near his barn which left a 30-foot circle of scorched earth. A

circuit box in the barn burnt out. Next day, 3 men supposedly from the electrical

company turned up and “fussed around with the transformer on the pole by the road”.

They did not have an electrical truck; just a panel truck. “They was foreigners ... Japs

or something ...they weren’t very friendly ... [dressed in] ordinary overalls ... They

had on funny shoes with very thick rubber soles.”

A week later, he received a telephone call that sounded like a neighbor who

warned him about “a crazy man ... with a beard”. 10 minutes later, John Keel

(bearded, unusual in that part of the country) turned up and he ordered him off. Later,

the neighbor told him that he had not made that call. Keel, Visitors from Space,

pp.141-42.

1967, May: Mrs. Ralph Butler of Owatonna, Minnesota who had seen UFOs and heard

strange voices on her CB radio was visited by ‘Major Richard French’ who had a

pointed face and long hair and said he was interested in CB and UFOs. She offered

him some ‘Jello’ (jelly) and he tried to drink it out of the bowl. Keel, UFOs, p.185

1967: A young family man from Belpre, Ohio had some interesting UFO sightings.

Shortly afterwards, he had a brief encounter with 2 black-garbed Oriental-looking

men. They appeared confused or drunk and seemed to have difficulty walking. Keel,

Disneyland of the Gods, p.152.

1967, 16 July: Following an encounter with a brilliant blue-white source of light on a

road between Maumee and Whitehouse, Robert Richardson of Toledo, Ohio found a

piece of metal which he believed had come from the UFO. The next day, he was

visited by 2 men who did not give their names and asked questions about the incident.

They departed in a black 1953 Cadillac with license number 8577-D. But when he

checked with police, they told him that this number had not yet been issued.

Lorenzon, UFOs over the Americas, pp.42-3. Lorenzen, Coral & Jim, UFOs over the

Americas, Signet Books, New York, 1968.

1967, 11-17 July: UFO investigator Robert Easley of Defiance, Ohio was followed by a

man in a black sedan with no license plates as he drove to the scene of a sighting. On

the 15th, the car drove past as he talked of UFOs with his girlfriend on the front porch.

When they got off the subject, the car left. But when they got back on it about an

hour later, the same car came back again as if the driver could read their minds.

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On the 17th checking another report, the same man followed him. He also

received 12 phone calls of a beeping sound for about 15 seconds followed by silence.

Beckley, The UFO Silencers, p.15.

1967, July: Robert Richardson of Toledo, Ohio drove around a bend at night and found a

strange object blocking the road. Unable to halt in time, he hit it and it vanished. 3

days later, 2 men visited his home at 11 p.m. and questioned him for about 10

minutes. They left in a black 1953 Cadillac whose number was found not to have

been issued. A week later, he was visited by 2 different men in black suits who drove

a current model Dodge. Evans, ‘Men in Black’, p.33.

1967, 18 September: One of several students at Highlands University, Colorado who had

seen a UFO the night before received a phone call threatening his life if he talked. He

told this to a fellow student who a week later in company with a campus police

officer saw a blood-red object. Two days later, he too received a phone call late at

night telling him to forget what he had seen.

The next day, a man in the street told him about the sighting “and even added

information that confirmed some of my own research on Atlantis” and told him to

keep his mouth shut. A few days later, a black car with tinted windows with a license

plate showing nothing but three X’s nearly ran him over. Beckley, The UFO

Silencers, pp.16-17.

1967, 22 December: Mary Hyre, newswoman of Point Pleasant, West Virginia, was

visited by 2 men in black overcoats who asked her “What would you do if someone

did order you to stop writing about flying saucers?” Later the same day, ‘Jack

Brown’, who like the other two looked Oriental, came and asked her “What ... would

... what would you do ... if someone ordered ... ordered you to stop ... to stop printing

UFO stories?” Brown later called upon Mothman witnesses Connie Carpenter and

Linda Scarberry. Keel, Visitors from Space, pp.19-27.

1968, February: UFO investigators patrolling the Mohawk River where a UFO had been

sighted saw a red oval for themselves. Several days later, one (Peter Stevens) was

approached in a café by a strange man who talked about UFOs and then said: “People

who look for UFOs should be very, very careful.” This was “followed by the usual

pattern of phone calls and poltergeist activity in the Stevens’ household.” Beckley,

The UFO Silencers, p.19.

1968, June: UFO researcher Thomas Wedemeyer of Jamestown, New York was visited

by ‘Major Smedley’ of the Air Force. The interrogation left him with a headache.

There was no 'Major Smedley' with the Air Force. But this man was found to have

visited other UFO researchers. Steiger, Mysteries of Time and Space, p.200.

1968: A deputy police officer met 3 mysterious men in black suits. “They had an odd

manner of speaking as though they would inhale and then speak until they had

expelled all their breath. Then they inhaled again and begin to speak. Keel,

Disneyland of the Gods, p.152.

1968, 5 July: ‘Captain Monroe’ claiming to be from the UFO Research Institute,

Pittsburgh visited a young man who had photographed a UFO with a polaroid camera.

He told him the pictures were faked and that he should “keep his mouth shut or

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something unpleasant would happen to him.” Steiger, Mysteries of Time and Space,

p.198.

1968, 23 July: Off-duty policeman Martyn Johnson and his wife saw mysterious lights

over Sheffield. After reporting this to the Sheffield Morning Telegraph, he was called

to his superintendent’s office where he was interviewed by 2 men “dressed just like

the spies on TV in trench-coats and Trilby hats.” They tried to persuade him that he

had seen only an aircraft or a helicopter. Then they said that he was “under oath and

was sworn to secrecy for 25 years.” David Clarke and Andy Roberts, ‘The UFO

Files’, Fortean Times 284, February 2012, pp.30-31.

1968, Summer: An unnamed journalist in an unstated location reported that several

people had said men claiming to be Brad Steiger and John Keel had warned them not

to talk about UFOs. When he tried to talk to a farmer’s wife, 3 short suntanned men

in dark suits wearing dark glasses waved a copy of a magazine (with a UFO article?)

and said that “Brad Steiger was warning all UFO sighters not to talk." Keel, Our

Haunted Planet, pp.96-97.

1971, October (?): Two men ‘with the Ministry of Defence’ visited Jim Wilson of the

Eastern Midlands and told him that “he might as well forget all about” the light he

had seen in the sky in late August because they had identified it as the Russian

satellite Cosmos 408. (It was later proved that it was not.)

Two men in a black Jaguar car took to parking by his house in the evening.

Police discovered that its number plate was false. On 21 October, officers

approached the car to question the men. But suddenly it “melted away into

nothingness”. Randles, MIB, pp.167-69.

1972. Late August: Peter Taylor of Manchester (he lived near the airport) was besieged

by reporters over his sighting of a glowing object in the Pennines on the night of

16th-17th. Two ‘Ministry of Defence’ men arrived in a large black car, got rid of the

reporters, asked him repeatedly about the opening of a T-shaped door in the object,

and advised him not to talk. Randles, MIB, pp.106-7.

1972, October: Billy Doyle, taking an evening walk away from his job at a hotel near

Eastbourne, saw a collection of glowing colored lights. 2 weeks later, a ‘CID’ man

interviewed him about it and asked: “What would you say if I asked you not to report

this?” Randles, MIB, p.111.

1974, 18 March: An intruder broke into a radio station in Paris, France-Inter which had

been broadcasting a series of interviews with UFO witnesses and theorists and

abstracted all of the untransmitted tapes (though leaving behind those which had

already made it over the airwaves). The thief (whoever he was) can hardly have had

any motive other than to prevent the remaining tapes from being heard by the Public.

Bourret, The Crack in the Universe, p.7.

1974, April: ‘Frank’ and ‘Kathy’ were driving in east Hancock County, Ohio when they

saw a fiery pulsating light. They told a few other people about it over their CB radio.

At 2.45 a.m., they went to the Wigwam bar and restaurant where a man rushed up and

asked “What did you see in the sky?” He was bald with fingers twice as long as

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normal. He denied having a CB and asked how then he knew about said: “I ... live ...

by ... visions!” Keith, Casebook, pp.184-86.

1975: Argentine UFOlogist Anton Ponce de Leon visited Sicuani where there were many

UFO sightings where he met “a reporter from the newspaper Ultima Hora from Lima,

Peru.” The reporter had photographed 3 UFOs in Capillani, Argentina. He sent them

for developing. But on returning to his hotel, he found that “2 gentleman in black and

with hats” had trashed his room. Further harassment made him “extremely

frightened”. Keith, Casebook, pp.94-95.

1975 (?): Two mysterious men in a black Cadillac attempted to confiscate from the Ohio

state director for MUFON (Nils Pacquette) some metal samples that were allegedly

from a UFO. He said that a check of the license number of their car revealed that that

number had never been issued. Sheaffer, UFO Sightings, p.205, citing the National

Enquirer, 23 September 1975.

1975, May: Carlos de los Santos Montiel whose light plane had been buzzed by 3 discs

on approach to Mexico City was driving to a TV station to tell his story when 2 black

limousines hemmed his car in. Four men got out and warned him not to talk. He

went home again. In June, he agreed to talk to Allen Hynek. But again, he was

warned off by one of the men dressed in black. Randles, MIB, pp.146-148.

1976, 3 February: ‘Shirley Greenfield’ of Pennine Ridges near Bolton, Lancashire was

visited by 2 men in ‘smart black suits’ and interrogated by one of them (the

‘Commander’) about her UFO sighting of 23 January and her subsequent purple rash.

Randles, MIB, pp.8-19.

1976, 11 September: Dr Herbert Hopkins of Orchard Beach, Maine -- who had

hypnotically regressed a UFO witness -- was at home alone for the first evening in

some time. He was visited by a man-in-black with no hair or even eyelashes who

claimed to be from the non-existent New Jersey UFO Research Organization who

made a coin dematerialise. Randles, MIB, pp.163-66.

The abductee himself “said that a man in a black suit came to his trailer home and

warned him not to speak of his experiences.” Imbrogno and Horrigan, Contact of the

5th Kind, p.17.

1980, September: ‘Beryl Hollins’ of Golborne, near Wigan in Lancashire had seen a UFO

on 31 August and was telephoned by a supposed scientist from Jodrell Bank who

would not say how he obtained her number. He advised her not to associate with the

‘cranks’ in UFOlogy. Randles, MIB, pp.122-24.

1981, 6 August: David Ellis and his wife Caroline (pseudonyms?) who ran The

Horseshoes public house outside Matlock, Derbyshire and had had several recent

UFO sightings were visited at seven in the morning by 2 men-in-black with grey

suede gloves “like twins” who were revealed to be hairless when they took off their

hats and apparently wore lipstick. They warned the couple to say nothing.

They made Caroline’s signet ring disappear and then drove off in a black

Mercedes which had no number plate. The ring soon reappeared. Afterwards, they

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received several telephone calls from a ‘somewhat metallic’ voice also warning them

not to talk. Taylor, The Uninvited 2, pp.87-93, 105.

1988, 15 January: ‘Peter Spencer’ who had photographed a green alien on Ilkley Moor

was visited by Jefferson and Davies, purportedly from the Ministry of Defence (who

could not have known of the case), who asked him how his electric fire worked.

They requested the negative which he had lent to Peter Hough. When he told them

this, they left. Randles, MIB, pp.139-40.

1990, June: McCleary, a farmer in Tipperary County, Ireland, found 2 crop circles in his

oat fields. Two more appeared later. The morning that the last appeared, a thin man

dressed completely in black stepped out from behind a shed. He had something

“dead” about him and the clothes looked 50 years old. He asked about the circles.

Keith, Casebook, pp.97-98.

1998 (?): Jerry Anderson of UFO Monitors East Kent (UFOMEK) was investigating the

Burmarsh UFO incident of 8 March 1997. He received a letter signed by Wing

Commander A.W. Ward of the RAF. It read as if it were written by someone whose

first language was not English and ordered him to cease his investigations. He later

discovered that this officer really existed. But when he wrote to him, he received a

reply (this time in fluent English) denying that he had written that letter.

He was visited by people supposedly from the TV licensing authorities who

demanded to see his licence. They went away when he showed it. But this is

extremely odd since TV licensing men only visit homes that do not have licences. On

9 February 1999, he received a tape cassette in the mail which proved to be a

recording of a telephone conversation he had had with another researcher (Chris

Rolfe) in January 1998. John Harney, Magonia Monthly Supplement 13, March

1999; UFO Magazine.

Men in Black Encounters - A Short Catalogue

iplay1up2 posted on Dec, 30 2018 @ 08:05 AMlink

Great thread. Here is a very interesting video. Even Dan Aykroyd is on this. It's only a little over 9

minutes. Very much is covered in that time. Hope you all like it!

SlowNail posted on Dec, 30 2018 @ 09:20 AMl

They always seem more interested in the people themselves rather than what they saw. Like they

already know the score and are taking reviews on how it's received.

karl 12 posted on Dec, 30 2018 @ 10:02 AM

Appreciate the replies and there really doesn't seem to be any shortage of cases where UFO

witnesses have felt 'intimidated' by certain unknown individuals (whoever they are and wherever they're

from).

https://youtu.be/j2KKUcxAdjc

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Apparently, news reporter Danny Gordon received countless lat- night phone calls (some of them

threatening). His house was broken into. Bogus reporters visited his home and his UFO negatives from

the photographs he took disappeared:

Recording:

"What I'm telling you is they will try to hit you if they think it's possible for their

purposes to keep you from further investigating this thing and most likely it will be done

by a skin contact chemical. in case something comes at the doorknob of your car or on

the steering wheel, they could also come up with something, do something to your

children."

Also another example here from Ohio in 1991 where a fireman and 5 other colleagues witnessed a

long, blue, cylindrical/spherical shaped object hovering above the road whist answering a routine call.

They were all summoned into the Fire Department office the next day and informed by 3 'intimidating'

plain clothed strangers that "This incident didn’t happen. You didn't see anything and don't talk about

it".

Unfortunately, the Fire department records and files for this case went conveniently missing (and

now all the videos concerning the incident have gone missing as well).

May not be connected but there's also different instances throughout the years where actual

Government UFO files have gone missing or stolen. This case involving the theft of computers

containing classified Peruvian UFO reports springs to mind as well as quite a few others.

More on the infamous MIB Jello case (or jelly as we call it in England) from Nick Redfern:

Every now and again when I’m either lecturing on the Men-in-Black phenomenon or

being interviewed on radio on the subject, the matter of Jello surfaces. Yeah, really. It’s

a fact that the MIB and Jello have a connection as strange as it certainly sounds. Google

“Men in Black + Jello” and you’ll see what I mean. You will find numerous references

online to a certain case from the 1960s involving a Man-in-Black and Jello. But not

everyone knows the full story. So today, I thought I would rectify that.

...Very oddly, Major French – quite out of the blue – said that his stomach was causing

him some trouble. Mrs. Butler offered him some Jello which he quickly declined. He

soon left. The next day, though, the Major was back. Yet again, he complained about his

stomach. Mrs. Butler again offered him a bowl of Jello hoping that it might help.

Here is where surreal became beyond surreal. For a moment or two, Major French

stared at the Jello seemingly completely unaware of what it was. He then stared at the

spoon Mrs. Butler had given him as if he had no comprehension of what it was. He then

awkwardly picked up the bowl and proceeded to try and drink the Jello. Mrs. Butler went

silent and stared in disbelief. Major French did not hang around realizing, it seems, that

Mrs. Butler knew something was not quite normal. Which is an understatement of

absolutely epic proportions. He quickly left, never again bothering Mrs. Butler.

Also some info here on the very strange case of Dr Herbert Hopkins in September, 1976:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread832427/pg1http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread809896/pg1http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread978343/pg1https://mysteriousuniverse.org/2018/04/m-i-b-a-strange-story-of-jello/https://www.ufoinsight.com/the-persistent-legends-of-the-men-in-black/

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Perhaps one of the strangest cases involving the Men-In-Black is that of Dr. Herbert

Hopkins in September 1976. The (then) 58-year-old hypnotist and regression specialist

was working in a consulting capacity on a Maine UFO incident. It wasn’t too much of a

surprise, then, when he received a telephone call from a man claiming to be the vice-

president of the New Jersey UFO Research Organization. The gentlemen wished to meet

with Dr. Hopkins to discuss the case he was working on. As his wife and children had

gone out for the evening, he agreed...

karl 12 posted on Dec, 30 2018 @ 01:53 PM

originally posted by: Archivalist:

Lots of different opinions out there, mate, and terrestrial ones I've read range from the NSA, NRO,

DIA, CIA, the Department Of Energy and Secret Service right through to Britain's DSTI, DI55, and

P&SS. Sme of the reported MIB characteristics and behaviours do sound very strange indeed, though.

The Defense Department (and DIA) do pop up a lot in UFO research (and many UFO documents

contain their routing and transmittal codes). S many folks have speculated they're heavily involved with

the subject. But when it comes to pale, emaciated, tall, bald, long fingered, lipstick-wearing men not

knowing what jello, spoons, or pens are, then I haven't got the foggiest.

Broadcaster Frank Edwards (1908–1967), who became well known for his best-

selling Flying Saucers—Serious Business (1966), made much of what he believed to be

an official plot that had been set to silence him. Before becoming interested in UFOs,

Edwards had been conducting a highly successful radio show sponsored by the American

Federation of Labor (AFL). He was warned to abandon the subject of Flying Saucers.

Wwhen Edwards persisted, he was given his walking papers.

In spite of thousands of letters protesting the firing of Edwards and the silencing of

his UFO reports, his ex-sponsor stood firm. When reporters asked George Meany,

president of the AFL, why Edwards had been dropped, Meany answered that it was

because he had talked too much about Flying Saucers. Edwards claimed that he later

learned that his constant mention of UFOs had been irritating to the Defense Department

and that the Department had brought pressure to bear on the AFL.

Edwards was only temporarily silenced. He soon had in syndication a radio show

that dealt almost exclusively with Flying Saucers and other strange phenomena. But his

sudden death on June 24, 1967 (the 20-year anniversary of Kenneth Arnold's sighting of

the flying saucers near Mt. Rainier, Washington) sparked immediate concern among

UFO researchers that Edwards had been silenced for good. And it certainly added to the

paranoia that he had died on the day before he was scheduled to address the Congress of

Scientific UFOlogists assembled at the Hotel Commodore in New York City.

Men In Black - MIB

Professor Michael Swords also has more info on the subject at these blogposts.

http://copycateffect.blogspot.com/2014/06/jun-24.htmlhttp://www.unexplainedstuff.com/Invaders-from-Outer-Space/UFO-Contactees-and-Abductees-The-men-in-black-mib.htmlhttps://thebiggeststudy.blogspot.com/search?q=MIB

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karl 12 posted on Dec, 30 2018 @ 07:10 PM

originally posted by: SlowNail:

Well, there really does seem to be quite a few missing logbook reports over the years and they do

seem to be rather secretive when it comes to declassifying their UFO documents (basically they've never

released anything). Maybe there's a good reason their 1950's O.N.I. UFO investigations still remain

Classified and you're onto something.

Here's a crazy one from a Phoenix FOX 10 NEWS report by Jim Schnebelt. Apparently the MIB

intercepted some footage of the Phoenix lights:

Transcription:

FROM THE FOX-10 '10 files'...

: (on screen: stock "Phoenix Lights" footage of lights suspended in sky)

: voiceover: Months after this (March 13) sighting, there are many questions regarding

the strange lights over Phoenix. Is this a solid craft or merely lights in an empty sky?

What could be the conclusive evidence is now mysteriously missing. Richard Curtis

claims his home video is proof that this sighting was a huge flying craft. And he claims

his video shows a solid object in the sky passing over his home.

: (on screen: cut to head shot of Curtis.)

Curtis: I saw the bottom part (of the craft) as it went over Phoenix because the lights lit

the bottom of it, and it partially blocked out the clouds and the stars.

: voiceover: Curtis called city councilwoman Frances Emma Barwood, wanting to show

her the footage.

: (on screen: cut to head shot of Barwood)

Barwood: He said he had it on two videotapes and would I like them. So I said, "Of

course I would." and could he give me copies of them. He said he would. I told him how

to get them to my office and to mark them 'Personal and Confidential'.

: (on screen: cheesy slo-mo video "re-enactment" of Men-in-Black walking about)

: voiceover: But before Curtis could send copies to Barwood, he's paid a visit by 2

mysterious men-in-black.

: Curtis voiced over MIB reenactments) They were dressed in black suits with black hats

and sunglasses. They asked me if I had tapes for coucilwoman Barwood and I said "Yah,

they're laying right here". They said, "We've stopped by to pick them up." So I said,

"Great!" and just handed (the original tapes) to them.

: (on screen: cut to head shot of Barwood)

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Barwood: I didn't get them and I have no idea who these two men were since I have just

females working in my office. It's absolutely puzzling to me.

: (on screen: cut to slo-mo MIB, one of them now holding videotapes...(!) )

: voiceover: Did the tapes ever exist? And if so, were they proof of more than "lights" in

the sky? And who were these mysterious Men-in-Black who allegedly took them?

: (as slo-mo MIB vid continues...)

: Curtis (voiced over): I think someone listened in on that phone call and wanted those

tapes.

Barwood (voiced over): I can't explain it. It's just eerie.

: Voiceover: The mystery continues. Jim Schnebelt, Fox-10 News. : _________ end

story, cut to anchor _________ :

link

TheOnlyBilko posted on Dec, 30 2018 @ 11:36 PM

originally posted by: humanoidlord

a reply to: SlowNail

Yup, exactly. The MIBs are obviously not humans unless you people know of others that can make

themselves and their vehicles disappear into thin air like one of the stories mentioned.

Most witnesses say they don't look "human". Many/most don't have hair, eyelashes, etc. Some talk

with "robotic" voices. Make other personal items of the witnesses disappear and reappear days or weeks

later.

On a side note, I'd love to know if these things are still visiting witnesses of the phenomenon? Are

there any modern-day visits? Seems like the majority took place in 60s and 70s. Anything in the last

10-15 years? [StealthSkater note: as I've previously noted, UYO sightings/incidents seemed to

have started with the first nuclear tests in the 1940s and ended in the early 1980s with the

worldwide moratorium. IMHO, this can't be a coincidence. It would explain why the DOE

(formerly AEC) holds the "secret" to UFOs and the CIA uses it in psychological warfare.]

karl 12 posted on Dec, 31 2018 @ 03:37 AM

Have read specific cases where witnesses say they were reminded of robots or insects mate. Also

things like not knowing what to do with spoons or pens or holding a box which they never open. Very

bizarre stuff.

http://realmib.tripod.com/azmibfil.html

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A "typical" MIB encounter goes something like this: Soon (usually immediately)

after witnessing some type of UFO phenomenon, the percipient is visited by one-or-more

strange men. These men often flash badges, give names, and claim to be from one

government agency or another. (Upon subsequent investigation, the names given are

invariably absent from the mentioned agency's records and often the agency itself is

found not to exist.)

The "agents" usually display not only an uncanny knowledge of exactly what the

witness has seen but also intimate personal knowledge of the witness as well. They

collect all physical evidence of the encounter that the witness may have such as

photographs or residue from a landing site. Even in instances where they do not threaten

the witness outright not to speak of his or her experience, the MIB usually manage to

make it clear that doing so would not be a good idea.

Other times, however, the MIB claim to be insurance salesmen, portrait

photographers, or something equally unconnected with the subject of UFOs and never

mention the UFO event in question and yet somehow leave the impression that they are

associated with it none-the-less.

MIB tend to run the gamut as far as physical appearance is concerned. However,

some generalizations in this can be made. While some MIB are decidedly more human-

looking than others, they have been fairly consistently described as being olive-

complected and having thin lips, high cheekbones, and slanted (sometimes glowing) eyes.

Their height can range from very short to very tall. They often sport garish makeup and

bad wigs in a failed attempt to look more "normal." It is usually difficult to estimate their

age. Often they move in a "mechanical" fashion and their voice has a machine-like

quality. They frequently appear to have respiratory difficulties and seem to be drained of

energy over short periods of time. They are usually dressed, of course, in black. Most

often in out-of-date suits that appear to be brand new and cut from some strange type of

fabric. link

Who knows maybe the genuine freaky cases are individuals from somewhere else. But I'd also

speculate that certain Intelligence agencies also attempt to suppress UFO/USO information and are

distinctly human.

“Unfortunately, we cannot dictate what evidence we must investigate,” said Jenny

Randles. “These Men-in-Black are real and the people who report them deserve our

attention. We should strive to find out whether these threatening strangers are just a part

of some secret department investigating UFOs or are visiting this World from somewhere

beyond our ken.”

Ufoorbhunter posted on Dec, 31 2018 @ 09:48 AM

What I don't get is these MIB things are seen all over the World. USA, sure. But what about the

same type being seen in China? They would have never been on side with the USA secret services,

would they? Especially back then.

But the same MIB being seen in those parts of the World just makes no earthly sense. There could

well be something more to this than government linked.

http://realmib.tripod.com/facts.html

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karl 12 posted on Dec, 31 2018 @ 09:52 AM

Two doctors witness MIB get into UFO:

In 1971, physicians Arguello de la Mota and Antonio Arocha were in San Juan de los

Morros, a small town not far from Caracas, Venezuela when they were startled by the

unexpected arrival of 2 characters dressed in black who drove into the dusty town in a

sporty Mustang. Unaware that they were being watched, the MIB exchanged remarks

and donned orange-colored belts.

Suddenly, a brilliant object appeared in the sky descending rapidly to the surface.

The doctors swore that the object was a 60-foot-wide disk-shaped craft which produced a

parabolic ladder while hovering inches off the ground. The MIB entered the vehicle

which rose into the skies and vanished out of sight.

MIB in China:

Most readers will be surprised to learn that Men-in-Black are not an exclusively

Western phenomenon. In his book China and the Extraterrestrials (Difel, 1985—

translation available in French and in Portuguese), author Shi Bo relates an interview

between newspaperman Wang Shili and a military chauffeur named Li Jing-yang who

had a UFO experience in Shansi province in 1963 when he was only 6 years old.

While out with his friends, Li Jingyang noticed an awe-inspiring discoid object

emerging from the clouds in an otherwise clear sky. The terrified boys observed the UFO

closely which remained static in the sky for some 10 minutes.

The following day while walking the streets alone, Li was surprised by a tall man

“completely dressed in black” who stopped him in his tracks, barring his way, and

demanding to know what the boy had seen. “Since I didn’t understand him very well,”

the hapless witness explained, “he repeated his question and I replied yes. He pointed at

the sky where the luminous object had staged its appearance and asked me again was it

there? I told him yes. He advised me to never tell others what I’d seen. Only after I

gave him my word of honor did he allow me to leave.”

Li Jingyang recalls the man as having dark skin adding that many other people saw

him and discussed the strange character whose “gestures were incomprehensible.” The

Man-in-Black walked in a mechanical manner and its mouth did not move whenever it

spoke. It disappeared suddenly after turning around a street corner.

Scott Corrales - Inexplicata: The Journal of Hispanic Ufology.

FATE Magazine : August 2006 link

karl 12 posted on Dec, 31 2018 @ 10:17 AM

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter

https://ufoexperiences.blogspot.com/2006/08/men-in-black-ride-again_25.html

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There could well be, mate. I guess that's also what Lt. General Hewitt T. Wheless and the

Pentagon's Colonel George P. Freeman thought as well.

When it comes to Global accounts, looks like there's also some extremely strange reports of

UFOs/USOs (and intimidation) coming out of Puerto Rico and according to researcher Timothy Good:

"..the weight of testimony emerging from Puerto Rico is breathtaking..."

As for other countries, I think this one from Mexico is one of my favourite UFO cases:

What we have here is a case where almost all of the aspects of the UFO problem are involved.

This is a UFO observation report by a pilot. UFOs 'Escort' Mexican Aircraft - Radar Confirmed.

This is a UFO close encounter.

This is a daylight UFO observation.

This is case were the reported UFOs are observed at close sight and are solid object of

obvious artificial construction.

This is a report of a near air collision between an aircraft and UFOs.

This is a report of UFO that have a behaviour which is suggesting intelligent control.

This is a case of physical effects on an aircraft.

This is a radar/visual case where a visual sighting is confirmed by independent people

detecting the presence of the objects on a detection device.

This is a case where the UFOs fly away in direction of Mount Popocatepetl, obviously a

hotbed of UFO reports and allegedly some sort of hideout for extraterrestrial aircraft.

This is a case where a pilot reports his encounter publicly.

This is a case where the witness has been medically checked and interviewed. If Hynek

could not speak to Los Santos Montiel. At least, Jerome Clark and others could.

This is a case where the witness stood firm with his account over time.

This is a case where the witness reports that he has been repeatedly intimidated by

unidentified people probably from a foreign country (UFO folklore call them "Men-in-

Black").

Apparently the pilot was harassed by Men-in-Black on his way to an interview with the late Dr. J.

Allen Hynek.

Ufoorbhunter posted on Dec, 31 2018 @ 12:14 PM

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread803855/pg1

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Would be interesting to know if MIB encounters go back before WW2 / use of nukes. I just can't get

to grips with them being seen all over the planet Earth by different peoples and cultures and there being

nothing to the reports.

Also the MIBs must have mastered a whole library of human languages to be able to communicate

with the different peoples. It's so perplexing really and difficult to understand. Maybe there is a secret

World Government pulling the strings behind the scenes. But in all countries on Earth? Hard to get

the head round, somehow.

karl 12 posted on Dec, 31 2018 @ 12:27 PM

originally posted by: data5091

Good question, Data, and looks like probably one of the most important scientists ever to investigate the

UFO phenomenon also suffered his fair share of 'surveillance, intimidation, and harassment'.

From 1968 through 1970, inexplicable occurrences vexed McDonald. On airline

trips, his luggage was frequently "lost" and returned later rifled through. A briefcase

containing sensitive reports by military UFO witnesses was stolen off an airliner under

mysterious, unexplained circumstances. McDonald was followed around Tucson by

curious unmarked cars and other signs of silent surveillance puzzled him. His persistence

and perseverance brought him through these trials. But he began to privately suspect

(with good reason) that Government agents might be monitoring him. He confided his

concerns only to a few close friends.

In September 1969, one of McDonald's daughters was raped and nearly murdered on

the Harvard campus. The details of the attack were unexplained and McDonald's

repeated attempts to clarify them led to intense frustration. link

Apparently, zoologist and UFO researcher Ivan T Sanderson (who thought 'UFOs seemed

inextricably connected with water'') also experienced Government intimidation and mysterious black

Cadillacs (link)...

... and NASA Aerodynamicist Paul R. Hill also published his UFO research posthumously because

he feared his academic research was being pulled purposefully from aeronautical firm libraries like

Boeing/Lockheed and the main Government agency he was 'fearful of' was the Pentagon's Defense

Intelligence Agency (link).

There's also a good page here on harassment of witnesses and researchers. I suspect the main reason

they do it is because it works.

karl 12 posted on Dec, 31 2018 @ 01:19 PM

John Keel does engage in a bit of speculation that (the genuinely freaky) MIBs may have always

been with us down the Ages. Below is some further conjecture also including the 'King of the World'

myth (make of it what you will).:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread550946/pg1http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread666797/pg1http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread913268/pg1http://nawewtech.angelfire.com/harassment.htmlhttp://realmib.tripod.com/facts.html

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MIB phenomena is interesting on several levels. So many, in fact, that it is difficult

to know where to begin. For instance, on the surface it would appear that MIB is one of

those very few legends that can be traced to its ultimate source (i.e., Bender). However, a

brief perusal of human history suggests that this might not necessarily be the case.

A tradition of MIB-type entities that is mysterious dark-clothed individuals with

sinister intentions,can be followed back to ancient times and across virtually all cultures.

At least as far back as Biblical times, there has been a tradition in the Middle East of men

attired in black robes and turbans attempting to lure victims out into the desert for

unspecified sinister purposes.

Likewise, in central and Southern Europe during the Middle Ages existed a genuine

fear among the inhabitants of those regions of black-clad beings who wandered the

countryside performing indiscriminate acts of vampirism on humans and livestock alike.

Fairy lore allows for otherwise human-looking fairies who dress in black and delight in

causing mischief in the human world.

The fact that MIB are often (in fact nearly always) described as having Asian features

is interesting in light of the fact that there is a long-standing myth in China, Tibet, and

India that a superior race of humans live beneath the surface of the earth who

occasionally send "agents" dressed in black to the surface to surveil and or/manipulate

human affairs. (This is known as the "King of the World" myth.)

Native Americans feared the "Black Man" who supposedly lurked in the forests with

malicious intent. There are even what could be considered MIB-type undertones in

Nathaniel Hawthorne's 1835 short story "Young Goodman Brown".

karl 12 posted on Jan, 1 2019 @ 07:07 AM

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed

Don't know about their origin. But there definitely seems to be 'concerted action' to marginalize

interest in (and objective investigation into) the UFO subject. I think that may more be down to

Government spooks rather than freaky MIBs, though.

"Governments took notice, organizing task forces, encouraging secret briefings and

study groups, funding classified research, and all the time denying before the Public that

any of the phenomena might be real. The major revelation of these Diaries may be the

demonstration of how the scientific community was misled by the Government; how the

best data were kept hidden; and how the public record was shamelessly manipulated."

-- Dr. Jacques Vallee, astrophysicist, computer scientist 1992 link

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed:

http://books.google.com/books?id=4doRQlCxLa0C&pg=PR8&lpg=PR8&dq=Governments+took+notice,+organizing+task+forces,+encouraging+secret+briefings+and+study+groups,+funding+classified+research+and+all+the+time+denying+before+the+public+that+any+of+the+phenomena+might+be+real.+The+major&source=bl&ots=D5pjhtT2Li&sig=coXZMK07qaB0qedazxoDZ1eIT30&hl=en&ei=n6B2TbbiDoGaOsWXiZgG&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBMQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Governments%20took%20notice%2C%20organizing%20task%20forces%2C%20encouraging%20secret%20briefings%20and%20study%20groups%2C%20funding%20classified%20research%20and%20all%20the%20time%20denying%20before%20the%20public%20that%20any%20of%20the%20phenomena%20might%20be%20real.%20The%20major&f=false

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Here's what Victor Marchetti (executive assistant to the Deputy Director of the CIA) had to say

about it:

"The purpose of the International conspiracy is to maintain a workable stability

among the nations of the World and for them, in turn, to retain institutional control over

their respective populations. Thus for these governments to admit there are beings from

Outer Space attempting to contact us -- beings with mentalities and technological

capabilities obviously far superior to ours -- could, once fully perceived by the average

person, erode the foundations of the Earth's traditional power structure.

Political and legal systems, religions, economic, and social institutions could all soon

become meaningless in the mind of the public. The national oligarchical establishments -

- even Civilization as we know it -- could collapse into anarchy.

Such extreme conclusions are not necessarily valid. But they probably accurately

reflect the fears of the "ruling class" of the major nations whose leaders (particularly

those in the intelligence business) have always advocated excessive governmental

secrecy as being necessary to preserve "national security." The real reason for such

secrecy is, of course, to keep the public uninformed, misinformed, and therefore

malleable."

-- Victor Marchetti Thread

karl 12 posted on Jan, 1 2019 @ 08:55 AM

originally posted by: Ophiuchus 13

Don't think there's any unequivocal proof out there in the public domain (or maybe even within

government) as to UFO origin, mate. Certainly a lot of scientific data could be gleaned from all the

UFO gun camera footage they've obtained over the years. Too bad they've never declassified a single

frame of it.

Two things I do think for sure are that (1) UFOs are an extremely serious mystery and (2) the

World's governments take the UFO subject extremely seriously. And yes (probably these days more

than ever), anyone who suggests that in mainstream academic, scientific, or political circles will attract

attention (probably not of the very positive kind).

"I know that there is a real need to break through the official Washington brush-off

and get the truth home to the people. There seems to be a great fear among the powers

that be that the American people will panic if told the truth. How little they know and

understand their countrymen.

"I feel that millions of our people already believe in the reality of the UFOs."

-- Admiral M Herbert B Knowles US Navy

"The facts about Saucers were long tracked down and results have long been

known in Top-Secret defense circles of more countries than one."

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-- Dr. Harry Messel, Professor of Physics at Sydney University, Australia in a

1965 statement.

"Army Intelligence has recently said that the matter of ‘Unidentified Aircraft' or

‘Unidentified Aerial Phenomena' (otherwise known as ‘Flying Discs,' ‘Flying Saucers,'

and ‘Balls of Fire') is considered Top-Secret by Intelligence officers of both the Army

and the Air Force".

-- FBI issued memo on UFOs entitled "Protection of Vital Installations"

{Memo sent to Hoover, the Army's G-2, the Office of Naval Intelligence, and the

Office of Special Investigations.}

"For the Government to continue to maintain that UFOs are non-existent in the face

of the documents already released and of other cogent evidence presented in this book is

puerile and, in a sense, an insult to the American people".

-- Dr J Allen Hyneck,Phd, Former scientist with Project Bluebook.

"You must remember that I was privy to the project files. These contained hundreds

of official reports of UFO encounters made by military personnel from all branches of the

service. They were all classified with a high degree of security classification. Almost all

of these made pretty scary reading from the verbatim descriptions of the pilots

concerned"

-- Albert M. Chop, Air Force UFO Public Information Officer at the Pentagon

"The official conclusion is that the anomalous aerial phenomenon known as

Unidentified Flying Objects is real and is present within the controlled airspace and

outside the controlled airspace. It is also present in the sea. We have some reports from

our navy in that respect. It is present everywhere and therefore it is necessary to share the

information in order to have more background and be able to study it more scientifically

so that we can give real information to the people and not rely on what is shown on TV

and in sensationalist media".

-- Chilean General Ricardo Bermúdez.

"Maximum Security exists concerning the subject of UFOs."

-- CIA Director Allen Dulles, 1955.

"It is time for the truth to be brought out in open Congressional hearings. Behind the

scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about the UFOs. But

through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe the unknown flying

objects are nonsense."

-- Admiral Hillenkoetter-the first Director of the CIA, 1947-50. February 27,

1960.

“I think that the Americans practice on the subject much higher efforts of

investigation than those of any other country. They practice a deliberated policy and had

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deliberately orchestrated misinformation. It is total misinformation. What for? Is it the

fear to see their supremacy challenged if one day they face a much more advanced

external civilization? Is it their concern of keeping potential technological assets to

themselves? Or any other explanation? Who knows.”

-- GEIPAN Director Yves Sillard, former Assistant Secretary General for

Environmental and Scientific Affairs for NATO

When it comes to unknown individuals visiting UFO witnesses, there's also another pretty intriguing

radar/visual case here where 3 disc-shaped objects were plotted on ground radar and witnessed by 2

RAF pilots who saw them fly over the cockpit of their aircraft over Gloucestershire, England back in

1952.

The pilots both say that upon landing, they were immediately confined in separate cabins and told to

speak to no-one until they were thoroughly debriefed by an unknown plain clothes officer. Records of

the official investigation into the incident are now missing.

Khurzon posted on Jan, 2 2019 @ 01:08 AM

Just wanted to put a slip in this topic here so I can find it easily when I'm home. I have some first-

hand "experiencer" input on MIBs, UFOs, and the supernatural.

Some Men-in-Black are human and some are alien. Some may even be mechanized although I have

never met one of those. Never seen a Flying Saucer. But I've seen one of the Black Triangles up close

from beneath. [StealthSkater note: see doc pdf URL ]

The big thing that they are all worried about is the fact that one of the aspects of the engine that runs

those ships is the temporal distortion field it generates. Some folks have taken that little aspect and

changed it into a small portable "time travel" device.

Some of those MIBs come from the Past. I suspect some come from the Future. You can figure out

now why they seem to know just about everything and are paranoid of "regular folks" knowing about it.

Anyway, this stuff threads through my whole life and has cost the lives of at least 2 people in my

immediate family. You might ask why I would say any more about it. (It might cost me my own life

soon enough.) I guess it's a die-hard instinct in me to let others know the truth I Know about what is

really out there. At least the stuff I've been first-hand in witnessing.

BTW. They slip some of this stuff into the movies so you can be laughed and told where you

"really" got it from. Pretty clever on their part. Sadly, it works pretty good.

karl 12 posted on Jan, 2 2019 @ 02:55 AM

originally posted by: Khurzon:

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"I started looking at it. There were no bolts, no rivets, no welded seams. It was

smooth. It was like a barn gray. It had cones protruding going up into it, bigger at the

bottom, going up to smaller at the top. It took off like this [shows motion with his hand].

It remained flat and took off at a 45-degree angle."

"It took off so fast that if I , I would have thought it vanished. But I had

my eyes on it and I know it took off flat at a 45-degree angle."

Summary of harassment:

He began to have military planes flying over his land and helicopters in a grid pattern

which frightened his livestock. He has also had many strange phone calls.

Sorrells has also had late night visitors on his property sneaking around his house in

more attempts to scare him. A man showed up at his doorstep at 1:00 AM in the

morning.

He claims that he was told by a Lt. Colonel to keep his mouth shut about what he

saw. The Lt. Colonel wanted to meet with him and had a heated discussion over the

phone when Sorrells declined. Sorrells asked the Colonel to quit flying his helicopters

over his airspace. The Colonel arrogantly replied it was his (the Colonel's) airspace. The

Colonel then told Sorrells that he would quit flying the helicopters if he stopped talking.

Writer Angelina Joiner (formerly of the Empire Tribune) speculates that he was

singled out due to the vivid detail of his sighting.

Writer Billy Booth (About.com) speculates some group within our government,

possibly working outside the auspices of the President, is taking care of business. And

their business is the controlling of information.

Witness Harassment

[Randle:] I’ve been in something of a drought lately. But as I was looking at some of

the information I had gathered on the Stephenville, Texas sightings of 2008, I found

something interesting. Ricky Sorrells, who told the media including the Associated Press

and CNN that he’d seen a huge solid object during one of those sightings, also said that

he had been intimidated by the Military.

According to newspaper reports including one of those filed by Angelia Joiner that

was published in the Stephenville Empire-Tribune, Sorrells said that a man identifying

himself as an Air Force Lieutenant Colonel had called and practically demanded that

Sorrells allow him to come out to interview him (Sorrells, in case the various pronouns

have become confusing).

Sorrells, according to what he told Joiner, was less than enthusiastic about that and

that’s when the discussion became heated. The caller (whoever he was) said: “Son, we

have the same caliber weapons as you do but a lot more of them.”

Then according to the newspaper and Joiner, Sorrells said: “So, I said if he was who

he said he was, why didn’t he stop flying over my air space with all those helicopters.

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And he informed me that it was not my airspace. It was his. He told me if I’d quit

talking about what I saw, he would stop the helicopters.”

While I’m skeptical that the man who called was in fact an Air Force officer and I

found his overblown rhetoric somewhat offensive, I don’t know what to make of the next

incident.

Sorrells said that he had been in bed asleep when his dogs began to bark which they

didn’t do unless someone entered Sorrells’ property. Looking out his bedroom window,

he saw a man standing at the top of his driveway.

Sorrells told the newspaper (meaning, I will assume here, Joiner) that he could see the

man clearly. That he was in his late 20s or early 30s and he was wearing a heavy “parka-

like coat.” link

Apparently, Stephenville UFO witness Steve Allen also received harassment in the form of strange

phone calls:

Steve Allen: "I’ve had several different strange phone calls from different people. They

did not identify themselves. They just said to be careful. That I was being watched.

That what I do will be carefully scrutinized and I could be in danger."

Linda Howe: "Did anyone state what the danger would be?"

Steve Allen: "No, they never did. They can threaten me all they want. What are they

going to do? Shoot me? I saw what I saw and I’m going forward with what I saw come

hell or high water.”

Dublin Texas UFO witness Ricky Sorrells being harassed by the Air Force. (MUST

READ)

originally posted by: Khurzon

Yes, I'd agree it works rather well. This paper is quite a refreshing read considering it was published

in a peer-reviewed Academic journal:

'History of Government Management of UFO Perceptions through Film and Television'

karl 12 posted on Jan, 2 2019 @ 01:35 PM

More claims of strange goings on from Minot, North Dakota, November 1961:

One harsh November evening in 1961, Paul Miller and 3 buddies were on their way

home after a hunting trip close to Minot, North Dakota. Suddenly, something they

described as a “glowing silo” landed on a nearby field. They first believed that it was an

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airplane that had crash landed. But they were forced to change their minds when the

object suddenly disappeared.

But when the four decided to drive away, the object reappeared and 2 humanoids

stepped out of the craft. Miller, who was struck by panic, shot one of the beings,

apparently injuring it. The second being fled. On the way home, Miller and his team had

a “blackout” and lost track of 3 hours. They then decided not to tell the story to anyone.

The next day when Miller arrived at his office (at the Air Force), he was visited by 3

men wearing black suits. They said that they were from the Government and they began

asking questions about his encounter. Miller later recalled “that it seemed that they knew

everything about me and they probably already knew my answers”.

Instead, it seemed that they were more interested in what clothes Miller had worn at

the time of the encounter and the men followed Miller home to take a look at them.

The men made such a threatening impression on Miller that he didn’t dare to tell his

story for many years. link

Further info on the Wanaque Resevoir UFO MIBs (as alluded to by Colonel George P. Freeman):

Comments:

Mayor Wolfe who would characterize the whole thing by saying that “the phenomena

was terribly strange.”

Officer George Dyckman: “I’ve never seen anything like it in my life.”

Reservoir employee Fred Steines stated: “A bolt of light shot down from it as if

attracted to the water like a beam emitted from a portal.”

Councilman Warren Hagstrom: “We got goose bumps all over when we saw where

the hole was.”

Patrolman Joe Cisco (recorded on police radio): “Something landed in front of the

dam. Something’s burning a hole in the ice! Something with a bright light on it going up-

and-down!”

Strange men:

This author has learned that unknown men posing as Military officials descended

upon Wanaque in the period after the sighting to intimidate and dissuade talk about the

UFO. And the source for this is the U.S. Pentagon itself! Found buried in the defunct

civilian UFO research organization’s publication APRO Bulletin (Jan-Feb, 1967) is a

detailing of these “MIB” visits.

Men dressed in uniforms or bearing credentials from Government agencies have been

silencing witnesses to the UFO at Wanaque. According to Pentagon spokesman Colonel

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George P. Freeman: "These men are not connected to the Air Force in any way." He

cited a recent case in which the police officers and other witnesses at sightings in

Wanaque, NJ and told them they had seen nothing and should not discuss the incident.

"Whoever he was, he wasn’t from the Air Force," Freeman stated.” link

111DPKING111 posted on Jan, 2 2019 @ 11:36 PM

The MIB represent an interesting component to many UFO stories. Many on this board and

elsewhere claim the Government bodies couldn't keep UFOs a secret for so many years. Eventually it

would leak.

But if the MIB are really humans from some alphabet agency, it would appear a secret can be kept.

Just like all the logbooks that are reported replaced, we never get an answer. Where's the answer for

Hudson Valley, supposedly a US blimp of some sort we decided to repeatedly fly over public airspace

so someone could take a picture? If it was the US military, no loose lips on that one.

Apparently, some agencies are pretty good secret keepers.

karl 12 posted on Jan, 3 2019 @ 04:06 AM

originally posted by: 111DPKING111

Yes, quite a number of accounts of that now. But don't think we'll ever get one.

Also quite a number of reports of UFOs seemingly 'taking on water'. Don't think we'll ever get an

answer to that one either.

originally posted by: 111DPKING111

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KEYHOE: That happened once when I was in Washington staying at a hotel where we

almost always go - the Shoreham. I came back (to my room) and I couldn’t find some

material that I had brought down to check with NICAP. Finally one of the maids there,

whom we had known for quite a little while, said: “Who are those men that have been

looking for you?” And I said: “What’s that?” And she said: “After you had registered,

you mentioned you were going out somewhere. They came up and they were in your

room. I don’t what they were doing.”

Well, they got away with some stuff in there. But I very seldom take any red-hot

material and leave it sitting around anywhere ...

FearYourMind's great thread below also deals with the first Director of MUFON Canada

Henry McKay and the government harassment (and missing UFO reports) that he

experienced.

The Henry McKay (UFOlogist) 1978 Confession Tape

karl 12 posted on Jan, 3 2019 @ 08:15 AM

Below are two more freaky MIB examples from Argentina:

USO /UFO Emerges From Ocean - Patagonia, Argentinean Atlantic

On one occasion while performing a audit for the Perez Companc company’s fishing

fleet, he came across the crewman (or more properly said, the ship’s machinist) who told

him that during a personnel transfer trip from the Port of Golfo San Jorge to the YPF

undersea drilling platform, halfway there, something got the crew excited, prompting

sailors and oil rig personnel to look over the sides of the vessel.

One can imagine their surprise when they looked over the side to see a light

underwater, running past the ship at high speed. A few kilometers ahead, it broke the

surface rising vertically and swiftly before vanishing into the skies.

The story is in itself remarkable. But what happened days later when the personnel

reached the port with the relief crew, they encountered some men dressed in black

waiting to interview each of them using harsh and intimidating measures and threatening

them with job loss should they attempt to share their experiences with others.

The Necochea Incident - August, 1962

On August 29, 1962, the event that has become known as the “Necochea Incident”

took place. The main witness (Osmán Alberto Simonini) saw a UFO and was chased by

it along the road linking La Dulce with Necochea as he traveled toward this seaside city.

Senior Officer Juan Jose La Terza investigated this case on the day after the events

occurred. He submitted a report on the presence of a strange device describing the

witness as a man “of fine reputation and perfectly reliable in his statements.” He ended

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his memorandum by certifying the event as a REAL INCIDENT as told by the witness.

It details the sighting of an object, its transit over the countryside causing physical and/or

physiological impact on the witness, the possible chase among other details.

This case was investigated by Guillermo Gimenez years later who interviewed

Simonini. The latter was afraid to discuss the events from 1962 because only days after

the incident and the investigation performed by Senior Officer J.J. La Terza, two men

dressed in black appeared at his workshop. They warned him to forget all about the

event, admonishing not to tell anyone else about it since something might happen to him.

The witness recalls that he was struck by the color of their clothing (black) and the

similarity of these garments. They stood approximately 1.70 meters, were dark-haired,

“foreign-looking” due to their Eskimo-like features.

I wanted to set down these cases as examples so that readers who are encountering

this description of the entities for the first time can have an idea that they represent a

significant part of many of the stories that come across our desk. Link

karl 12 posted on Jan, 3 2019 @ 12:21 PM

originally posted by: Jh1682

Will studying any religious texts or belief systems do (quite a few very interesting Polynesian,

Eskimo, Aboriginal, Norse, Mayan, Rastafarian, Korean, Native American etc.. mythologies from

around the world)? Or are you just promoting the Abrahamic lore version?

The MIB parallels with 'demonic entities' is certainly nothing new and authors such as Keel,

Beckley, Bullard, Redfern, Clark, ect. have been speculating about the connection for quite a while.

Hell, maybe it's the other way round and 'biblical' events were mistaken for 'UFOlogical' ones. (There's

certainly a case for contextual UFO reporting in Biblical scripture).

In his book The UFO Silencers, Timothy Beckley has attempted to provide an

overview of important and representative MIB encounters. According to Beckley, MIB

have been with us for many hundreds of years, speculating that such diverse characters

from the history of witchcraft and folklore as the Elizabethan Black Men, the Native

American Black Man and late 19th century reports of malevolent traveling salesmen

might have been manifestations of what we now know as Men-in-Black.

The Men-In-Black legend is perennial. That it shows up in connection with the UFO

lore should come as no surprise. UFOlogy bizarro chronicler John Keel's Disneyland of

the Gods observed in his UFOs: Operation Trojan Horse. The records of Demonology

are filled with striking parallels. The general descriptions of the vampires themselves are

identical to the 'men-in-black.' The dark skin and angular Oriental-like faces were

commonly reported. link

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Similarities between Men-In-Black accounts and earlier tales have been noted by

folklorist Thomas E. Bullard who argues that Men-In-Black "step into the shoes vacated

by angels and demons ... modified to reflect extraterrestrial rather than supernatural

employment but clearly functionaries in the same mold ... Even high gods like Odin ...

sometimes disguised themselves and roamed the earth to dispense justice or stir up strife

... The Devil of folklore sometimes rides in a black carriage, the nearest thing to a

Cadillac."

While Bullard and others have simply noted the similarities and differences, some

UFOlogists such as John Keel have argued there are explicit connections between older

and more recent accounts of black-clad figures. That the demons of Old and the men-in-

black of Today are one and the same.

Jerome Clark cites William Woods’s 1973 work A History of the Devil which notes

"Sometimes the Devil wears green or gray. But mostly He is dressed in black and always

in the fashions of the day.") link

Anyway, you may find this book interesting by Heidi Hollis (Beware Of The Hatman):

Now to the Men-in-Black which I mentioned at the beginning of this article. In the

same way that Heidi gets a massive amount of Hat Man reports, so I get a great deal of

Men-in-Black reports having written a couple of books on the subject and numerous

articles. Heidi touches upon the MIB mystery in her book. Which is not surprising given

that the MIB and the Hat Man look very alike.

But there’s something else. I have a number of cases on record where people

received MIB visitations after using Ouija boards just like Heidi with the Hat Man. I

have reports of people who have linked outbreaks of ill health with the MIB which is also

an aspect of the Hat Man controversy.

Heidi pulls no punches when it comes to her theories on what’s afoot. She is firmly

of the opinion that the Hat Man is a devilish entity as in literally. As a Christian, Heidi

believes the Hat Man to be a minion of the Devil. A thing that is playing a major role in

the battle between Good and Evil and for the souls of the Human Race.

Others may have differing opinions. The important fact, however, is that the Hat

Man is being seen. And it’s being seen more and more. Something is going on.

Something strange is out there. Something that wants us. Something that taunts and

even manipulates us. Its name is the Hat Man. And you should most definitely read

Heidi’s book on this ominous