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  • Bulletin No. M-379FNovember 1999

    Raleigh, NC, USAReplaces M-379E dated 11/84

    Data Bulletin

    1 19841999 Schneider Electric All Rights Reserved

    When a relay, contactor, or starter is mounted a considerable distance fromthe device controlling it, problems are introduced that are not present whenthe distance is relatively short. The major problems that arise are due to theseries impedance and shunt capacitance of the control wires and their effectupon the proper operation of the relay, contactor, or starter. Because of theinherent characteristics of AC operated magnets, these two problems areimportant at different times and can therefore be treated separately.

    Due to the series impedance effect of the control wires in series with thedevice coil, the current drawn through the control wires causes a voltage dropwhich subtracts from the voltage available to the relay, starter, or contactorcoil. If the voltage drop due to this series impedance is large enough, thevoltage available to the device coil may not be sufficient for the device to pickup and seal properly. If the device fails to pick up or seal, and the pickupsignal is maintained, a coil burnout is likely.The series impedance effect of the control wires is particularly importantwhen inrush current is present in the wires, since this is usually the only timewhen the current is sufficient to cause an appreciable difference between thesource voltage and the voltage available to the device coil. NEMA standardsrequire AC operated magnetic devices to operate satisfactorily at 85% of therated coil voltage. Allowing for a line voltage fluctuation of 10% below therated voltage, the voltage drop caused by the series impedance effect of thecontrol wires should be limited to 5% to insure satisfactory operation of thecircuit.

    The tables beginning on page 5 of this bulletin show themaximum distancein feet between the relay, contactor, or starter and the device controlling it,based on a maximum difference of 5% between the source voltage and thevoltage available to the device coil during inrush conditions. This data isbased on 60 Hz voltage sources only.

    In addition to series impedance, the control circuit wires also exhibit adistributed capacitance. The effect of this shunt capacitance is particularlyimportant when the relay, contactor, or starter circuit is opened and thedevice is to drop out. If the arrangement of the control circuit components issuch that the control wire shunt capacitance is in parallel with the STOPbutton, limit switch, or other disconnect means controlling the relay,contactor, or starter, a large enough amount of capacitance will prevent thedevice from dropping out even though the control circuit was opened. This isa very serious condition and must be prevented.

    To determine if the effects of the shunt capacitance of the control wires mustbe considered, refer to Figures 1 and 2.If the control device is remote (see Figure 1), and the control circuitcomponents are arranged so that the power source is adjacent to the devicecoil, the distributed wire capacitance will be in parallel with the controldevice (STOP button) and must be considered. Under these conditions, itis sometimes necessary to limit the length of the control wires so that thedistributed capacitance between the control wires does not exceed themaximum permissible value for the proper operation of the control circuit.

    GENERAL THEORY

    SERIES IMPEDANCE

    Cd

    Power Source Coil

    Figure 1: Control Device

    SHUNT CAPACITANCE

    Cd

    Power Source

    Coil

    Control Device

    Figure 2: Power Source

    Distant Control of AC Relays, Contactors, and Starters

  • Distant Control of AC Relays, Contactors and Starters Bulletin No. M-379FData Bulletin November 1999

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    This will shunt the device coil in the energized state even though the controlcircuit is open. (See Figure 2.)If the power source is adjacent to the control device (STOP button), openingthe control device contact will de-energize the distributed capacitance andthe relay, contactor, or starter coil. The distributed wire capacitance neednot be considered in determining the length of the control wire run, sincethe capacitance does not prevent the STOP button from functioning. In suchcases, the series impedance effect of the control wires is the limiting factor.

    In practical applications, the system should not be installed first and thentried out later. Even though the circuit may work properly initially, conditionsmay change due to wear, aging, deteriorating insulation, humidity, or otherfactors, and the relay, contactor, or starter coil being controlled may not pickup or drop out at some critical moment. For this reason, it is important tocalculate the maximum allowable control distance that permits continuedreliable operation.

    In evaluating long runs of control wire that are difficult to maintain andinspect, it may be impossible to know the exact location of the wires, thethickness of the insulation or other characteristics that can affect theimpedance or capacitance of the control wires throughout the entire run. Forthis reason, any calculation of the maximum length of a wire run must besimplified. Figure 3 shows a normal three-wire control scheme with thesource, hold, and coil wires and the conduit shown in cross section. Both L2and the conduit are properly grounded.

    Tomaintain the proper operation of the circuit, always assume the worst case(See Figure 4). The worst case occurs when:1. The conduit is filled with water due to condensation, flooding, or other

    accident.2. The conduit and/or L2 are ungrounded.3. The source wire (L1 to the stop station) is shorted at a termination point,

    or shorted to the conduit, due to the failure of the wire insulation.These conditions can be present in the circuit without causing the controlcircuit fuse to blow.

    Figure 4 shows that the water and source wire are at the same potential (L1)due to the short. The coil and hold wires each exhibit a capacitance (Cw)between the wire and the surrounding water. The water acts as one plate ofthe capacitor; the insulation acts as the dielectric; and the wire acts as theother plate of the capacitor.

    The distances shown in the tables in this bulletin are calculated by usingmanufacturers' specifications for machine tool wire (MTW) used in the controlcircuit at 60 Hz. A dielectric constant of 8 is assumed. Use of different wire orcable, such as Romex or coaxial cable, alters the conditions and makes thedistance values shown in the tables incorrect. Consult your local Square Dfield office for assistance.

    1. Determine whether the distributed wire capacitance is in parallel with thestop button (refer to Figures 1 and 2). If the capacitance is not in parallelwith the stop button, the distributed wire capacitance need not beconsidered.

    2. Refer to the table giving shunt capacitance and series impedancedistances for the class and type of device in question.

    3. Based on the control circuit voltage and wire size, determine the shuntcapacitance (two or three-wire control) and series impedance distancefrom the appropriate table.

    APPLICATION

    L1 Hold Wire Enclosure L2

    Fuse

    SourceWire

    Coil WireConduit

    GND

    WireInsulation

    Stop Start

    OLMM

    Figure 3: Three-Wire Separate ControlProperlyGrounded

    L1 Hold Wire Enclosure L2

    Fuse

    SourceWire

    CoilWire

    ConduitWater

    Short

    Stop Start

    OLMM

    Broken Groundor Ungrounded

    Cw

    Figure 4: Three-Wire Separate Control in WaterFilled ConduitNot Properly Grounded

    HOW TO USE THE TABLES

  • Bulletin No. M-379F Distant Control of AC Relays, Contactors and StartersNovember 1999 Data Bulletin

    3 19841999 Schneider Electric All Rights Reserved

    NOTE: All tables refer to American Wire Gauge (AWG) copper wire.4. When the shunt capacitance distance is greater than the series

    impedance distance, the series impedance distance is the limiting value.(In this case, to avoid confusion, the shunt capacitance value does notappear in the table and reference to a footnote is made.)

    5. When the shunt capacitance distance is less than the series impedancedistance, the shunt capacitance distance is the limiting value.

    Several methods can reduce the problems of series impedance and shuntcapacitance caused by long runs of control wires. The control distance of astarter or contactor can sometimes be increased by using one of themethodsshown in Figure 5.Since the burden of a control relay coil is generally less than the burden of astarter or contactor coil, the starter or contactors control distance cansometimes be increased by using an interposing control relay, provided theshunt capacitance of the control wires does not become the limiting factor.The control relay, which is used to pick up the starter or contactor at linevoltage, can be powered from a control transformer, or from line voltage (seeFigures 5 and 6).After the control relay is sized, based on the line voltage and coil current,follow steps 1 to 5 under How to Use the Tables to determine the maximumcontrol distance.

    If shunt capacitance becomes the limiting factor (since coils with a lowerburden generally require less shunt capacitance to hold them in theenergized position even though the control circuit is open) the arrangementusing an interposing AC control relay can be altered to use an interposing DCcontrol relay instead. If the voltage across the control wires is DC, the shuntcapacitance cannot conduct; therefore, it does not cause a problem (SeeFigure 7). Series impedance then becomes the limiting factor.

    An elaboration of the scheme above using an interposing DC control relay isto use a DC relay controlled by a solid state amplifier. This arrangement

    ALTERNATE SOLUTIONS

    Interposing AC Control Relay

    L1L2L3

    1

    CR

    M2 3

    M

    MMM

    OLOLOL

    All OL's

    CR

    MotorT1

    T2T3

    GND3 Phase

    Motor

    Enclosure

    InterposingRelay

    ConduitStop Start

    2 Wire ControlIf used

    Figure 5: Interposing Control Relay atLine Voltage

    Interposing DC Control Relay

    L1L2L3

    1

    M2 3

    M

    MMM

    OLOLOL

    All OL's

    CR

    MotorT1

    T2T3

    GND

    3 PhaseMotor

    Enclosure

    ConduitStop Start

    2 Wire ControlIf used

    Fuse

    CR

    X1 X2Sec

    Pri

    Figure 6: Interposing Control Relay and Transformer

    Interposing DC Control Relay and Solid StateAmplifier

  • Distant Control of AC Relays, Contactors and Starters Bulletin No. M-379FData Bulletin November 1999

    4 19841999 Schneider Electric All Rights Reserved

    eliminates the problem of shunt capacitance, as well as greatly reducing thecontrol circuit burden and, therefore, the effect of the series impedance.

    If an interposing relay is not used and the distance limiting problem is due tothe shunt capacitance effect on the control wires, a mechanically-heldcontactor or relay can be used, provided it has coil-clearing contacts (makesure that the relay or contactor selected will work properly with the use of coilclearing contacts). Since the coil clearing contacts are always locatedadjacent to the contactor coil, they are not shunted by the control wirescapacitance (see Figure 8). Series impedance becomes the limiting factor.Contact your Square D representative for help in selecting the propermechanically-held device for your application (since the control distancedepends upon the impedance of the latch and unlatch coils).

    Figure 9 shows a circuit arrangement with an extra set of normally opencontacts attached to the stop button. When the stop button is pressed, anycurrent carried by the shunt capacitance is shorted to ground and bypassesthe coil. When the stop button is released, the shunt capacitance again feedsthe current to the starter coil, but it is very unlikely that the current value willbe high enough for the coil to pick it up.IMPORTANT! Always ensure that when the stop button is pressed, L1 is notshorted to ground as a result of arcing on the stop button contacts. Forexample, when using Class 9001 push buttons, the arc may transfer if a TypeKA1 contact block is used. Instead, use a KA3 contact block for the stopbutton and a separate KA2 contact block to short the shunt capacitance toground.Resistance sensitive relays are devices with input sensitivity that enablesthem to operate from substantially lower currents than standardelectromechanical relays. Therefore, they are often able to operate overgreater distances than electromechanical relays. Contact your Square Drepresentative for complete application details.

    NOTE: Use two isolated contact blocks for this function.

    L1L2L3

    CR

    DC Source

    M

    MMM

    OLOLOL

    OL

    CR

    T1T2T3

    GND

    Motor

    Enclosure

    Conduit

    StopStart

    2 Wire ControlIf used

    M

    Figure 7: Interposing DC Control Relay

    L1L2L3

    ( LatchCoil )

    M

    M

    M

    M

    OLOLOL

    T1T2T3

    GND

    Motor

    Enclosure

    Conduit

    MM

    M

    *

    *

    *

    ( UnLatchCoil )

    Figure 8: Mechanically Held Contactor or Relay* Overload Protection not Provided by Contactor

    Discharging Shunt Capacitance

    MM

    OL

    Stop Start

    120 V Supply

    Enclosure

    Conduit

    L1 L2

    Figure 9: Capacitance Discharge Scheme

    Resistance Sensitive Relays

  • Bulletin No. M-379F Distant Control of AC Relays, Contactors and StartersNovember 1999 Data Bulletin

    5 19841999 Schneider Electric All Rights Reserved

    The maximum control distance in feet between the device and its controlstation is shown. Calculations take into account two or three lengths of wireand the values shown represent the actual distance between the device andcontrol station. Shunt capacitance distances are based on full sourcevoltage. Series impedance distances are based on a difference of 5%between the coil and source voltage during inrush conditions. All valuesshown are for 60 Hz only.

    TablesClass 8501, Type C

    Maximum Control Distance

    Table 1: Maximum control distance in feet due to Shunt Capacitance (3-wire control in water filled conduit)

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    8501 CO1 B 1

    6122448

    120208240

    *

    *

    *

    *

    760250190

    *

    *

    *

    *

    685220170

    *

    *

    *

    3500570190140

    *

    *

    *

    2800450150110

    *

    *

    *

    3100510165125

    *

    *

    *

    3300535175130

    * Distance for series impedance is shorter and is the limiting value.

    Table 2: Maximum control distance in feet due to Shunt Capacitance (2-wire control in water filled conduit)

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    8501 CO1 B 1

    6122448

    120208240

    *

    *

    *

    *

    1500500380

    *

    *

    *

    *

    1300455340

    *

    *

    *

    *

    1100380285

    *

    *

    *

    5600900300225

    *

    *

    *

    63001000330255

    *

    *

    *

    67001000355265

    * Distance for series impedance is shorter and is the limiting value.

    Table 3: Maximum control distance in feet due to Series Impedance

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    8501 CO1 B 1

    6122448

    120208240

    25100400

    1600100003030040300

    35155630

    2500158004750063200

    60245980

    3900246007390098400

    90375

    15006000

    37900114000151700

    140575

    23009200

    57800173600231200

    215865

    34001380086600

    260400346600

  • Distant Control of AC Relays, Contactors and Starters Bulletin No. M-379FData Bulletin November 1999

    6 19841999 Schneider Electric All Rights Reserved

    The maximum control distance in feet between the device and its controlstation is shown. Calculations take into account two or three lengths of wireand the values shown represent the actual distance between the device andcontrol station. Shunt capacitance distances are based on full sourcevoltage. Series impedance distances are based on a difference of 5%between the coil and source voltage during inrush conditions. All valuesshown are for 60 Hz only.

    Class 8501, Type C

    Maximum Control Distance

    Table 4: Maximum control distance in feet due to Shunt Capacitance (3-wire control in water filled conduit)

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    8501 CO-5 A 1

    6122448

    120208240

    *

    *

    *

    *

    30510075

    *

    *

    *

    17002759065

    *

    *

    *

    14002307555

    *

    *

    *

    11001806045

    *

    *

    *

    12002056550

    *

    *

    *

    13002157050

    * Distance for series impedance is shorter and is the limiting value.

    Table 5: Maximum control distance in feet due to Shunt Capacitance (2-wire control in water filled conduit)

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    8501 CO-5 A 1

    6122448

    120208240

    *

    *

    *

    *

    615205150

    *

    *

    *

    *

    550180135

    *

    *

    *

    2800460150115

    *

    *

    *

    220036512090

    *

    *

    *

    2500410135100

    *

    *

    *

    2700430140105

    * Distance for series impedance is shorter and is the limiting value.

    Table 6: Maximum control distance in feet due to Series Impedance

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    8501 CO-5 A 1

    6122448

    120208240

    25110445

    1700111003340044500

    40170695

    2700173005220069500

    65265

    10004300

    2690080900

    107700

    100410

    16006500

    41200123800164900

    155620

    24009900

    62200186900248800

    230920

    36001470092100

    276700368400

  • Bulletin No. M-379F Distant Control of AC Relays, Contactors and StartersNovember 1999 Data Bulletin

    7 19841999 Schneider Electric All Rights Reserved

    The maximum control distance in feet between the device and its controlstation is shown. Calculations take into account two or three lengths of wireand the values shown represent the actual distance between the device andcontrol station. Shunt capacitance distances are based on full sourcevoltage. Series impedance distances are based on a difference of 5%between the coil and source voltage during inrush conditions. All valuesshown are for 60 Hz only.

    Class 8501, Type C

    Maximum Control Distance

    Table 7: Maximum control distance in feet due to Shunt Capacitance (3-wire control in water filled conduit)

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    8501 CO11 A 1

    6122448

    120208240

    *

    *

    *

    11001755540

    *

    *

    *

    1 0001605040

    *

    *

    *

    8401304030

    *

    *

    *

    6651053525

    *

    *

    *

    7501203530

    *

    *

    31007901254030

    * Distance for series impedance is shorter and is the limiting value.

    Table 8: Maximum control distance in feet due to Shunt Capacitance (2-wire control in water filled conduit)

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    8501 CO11 A 1

    6122448

    120208240

    *

    *

    *

    *

    35511585

    *

    *

    *

    200032010580

    *

    *

    *

    16002658565

    *

    *

    *

    13002107050

    *

    *

    *

    15002407560

    *

    *

    *

    15002508060

    * Distance for series impedance is shorter and is the limiting value.

    Table 9: Maximum control distance in feet due to Series Impedance

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    8501 CO11 A 1

    6122448

    120208240

    25115465

    1800117003510046800

    45180730

    2900182005490073100

    70280

    11004500

    2830085100

    113300

    105430

    17006900

    43400130500173700

    160655

    26001050065600

    197200262500

    240970

    38001550097400

    292600389600

  • Distant Control of AC Relays, Contactors and Starters Bulletin No. M-379FData Bulletin November 1999

    8 19841999 Schneider Electric All Rights Reserved

    The maximum control distance in feet between the device and its controlstation is shown. Calculations take into account two or three lengths of wireand the values shown represent the actual distance between the device andcontrol station. Shunt capacitance distances are based on full sourcevoltage. Series impedance distances are based on a difference of 5%between the coil and source voltage during inrush conditions. All valuesshown are for 60 Hz only.

    Class 8501, Type C

    Maximum Control Distance

    Table 10: Maximum control distance in feet due to Shunt Capacitance (3-wire control in water filled conduit)

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    8501CO15

    CO16A S DT

    6122448

    120208240

    *

    *

    *

    *

    730240180

    *

    *

    *

    *

    660215165

    *

    *

    *

    3440550180135

    *

    *

    *

    2730435145105

    *

    *

    *

    3070490160120

    *

    *

    *

    3230515170125

    * Distance for series impedance is shorter and is the limiting value.

    Table 11: Maximum control distance in feet due to Shunt Capacitance (2-wire control in water filled conduit)

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    8501CO15

    CO16A S DT

    6122448

    120208240

    *

    *

    *

    *

    1465485365

    *

    *

    *

    *

    1320435330

    *

    *

    *

    *

    1100365275

    *

    *

    *

    5465870290215

    *

    *

    *

    6140980325245

    *

    *

    *

    64651030340255

    * Distance for series impedance is shorter and is the limiting value.

    Table 12: Maximum control distance in feet due to Series Impedance

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    8501CO15

    CO16A S DT

    6122448

    120208240

    25105425

    1715107403227542970

    40165670

    2680167605036067045

    60255

    10354145

    2592577890

    103700

    95395

    15856340

    39625119055158505

    145595

    23859545

    59655179230238625

    220880

    35201409088080

    264640352335

  • Bulletin No. M-379F Distant Control of AC Relays, Contactors and StartersNovember 1999 Data Bulletin

    9 19841999 Schneider Electric All Rights Reserved

    The maximum control distance in feet between the device and its controlstation is shown. Calculations take into account two or three lengths of wireand the values shown represent the actual distance between the device andcontrol station. Shunt capacitance distances are based on full sourcevoltage. Series impedance distances are based on a difference of 5%between the coil and source voltage during inrush conditions. All valuesshown are for 60 Hz only.

    Class 8501, Type H

    Maximum Control Distance

    Table 14:

    Table 13: Maximum control distance in feet due to Shunt Capacitance (3-wire control in water filled conduit)

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    8501 H A,B,C 2-8

    6122448

    120208240

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    780585

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    700525

    *

    *

    *

    *

    1700585435

    *

    *

    *

    *

    1300460345

    *

    *

    *

    *

    1500520390

    *

    *

    *

    *

    1600545410

    * Distance for series impedance is shorter and is the limiting value.

    Maximum control distance in feet due to Shunt Capacitance (2-wire control in water filled conduit)

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    8501 H A,B,C 2-8

    6122448

    120208240

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    15001100

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    14001000

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    1100875

    *

    *

    *

    *

    2700925695

    *

    *

    *

    *

    31001000780

    *

    *

    *

    *

    33001000825

    * Distance for series impedance is shorter and is the limiting value.

    Table 15: Maximum control distance in feet due to Series Impedance

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    8501 H A,B,C 2-8

    6122448

    120208240

    17

    30125790

    23003100

    31045

    195124037004900

    41575

    305193558007700

    725

    115475

    29008900

    11900

    1045

    180725

    45001360018200

    1565

    27010006900

    2050027300

  • Distant Control of AC Relays, Contactors and Starters Bulletin No. M-379FData Bulletin November 1999

    10 19841999 Schneider Electric All Rights Reserved

    The maximum control distance in feet between the device and its controlstation is shown. Calculations take into account two or three lengths of wireand the values shown represent the actual distance between the device andcontrol station. Shunt capacitance distances are based on full sourcevoltage. Series impedance distances are based on a difference of 5%between the coil and source voltage during inrush conditions. All valuesshown are for 60 Hz only.

    Class 8501, Type HX

    Maximum Control Distance

    Table 16: Maximum control distance in feet due to Shunt Capacitance (3-wire control in water filled conduit)

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    8501 HX C 8-12

    6122448

    120208240

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    13651025

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    1225920

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    1025770

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    810610

    *

    *

    *

    *

    2745910685

    *

    *

    *

    *

    2890960720

    * Distance for series impedance is shorter and is the limiting value.

    Table 17: Maximum control distance in feet due to Shunt Capacitance (2-wire control in water filled conduit)

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    8501 HX C 8-12

    6122448

    120208240

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    2050

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    24551845

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    20501540

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    16251220

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    18251370

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    19251445

    * Distance for series impedance is shorter and is the limiting value.

    Table 18: Maximum control distance in feet due to Series Impedance

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    8501 HX C 8-12

    6122448

    120208240

    16

    2095

    62018752495

    29

    35155975

    29353910

    31560

    240152045656080

    52090

    370234070309360

    835

    140565

    35551068014220

    1050

    210850

    53101596021250

  • Bulletin No. M-379F Distant Control of AC Relays, Contactors and StartersNovember 1999 Data Bulletin

    11 19841999 Schneider Electric All Rights Reserved

    The maximum control distance in feet between the device and its controlstation is shown. Calculations take into account two or three lengths of wireand the values shown represent the actual distance between the device andcontrol station. Shunt capacitance distances are based on full sourcevoltage. Series impedance distances are based on a difference of 5%between the coil and source voltage during inrush conditions. All valuesshown are for 60 Hz only.

    Class 8501, Type KF

    Maximum Control Distance

    Table 19: Maximum control distance in feet due to Shunt Capacitance (3-wire control in water filled conduit)

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    8501 KF C All

    6122448

    120208240

    *

    *

    *

    17252759065

    *

    *

    *

    15502458060

    *

    *

    *

    12952056550

    *

    *

    *

    10251605040

    *

    *

    462011551806045

    *

    *

    486512151906045

    * Distance for series impedance is shorter and is the limiting value.

    Table 20: Maximum control distance in feet due to Shunt Capacitance (2-wire control in water filled conduit)

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    8501 KF C All

    6122448

    120208240

    *

    *

    *

    3450550180135

    *

    *

    *

    3105495165120

    *

    *

    *

    2590410135100

    *

    *

    *

    205532510580

    *

    *

    *

    231036512090

    *

    *

    *

    243038512595

    * Distance for series impedance is shorter and is the limiting value.

    Table 21: Maximum control distance in feet due to Series Impedance

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    8501 KF C All

    6122448

    120208240

    60245985

    3950247157426098870

    95385

    15456195

    38725116355154910

    150600

    24109640

    60255181030241020

    230925

    37101485592860

    279005371455

    35014105655

    22620141375424760565506

    52521158470

    33885211805636370847235

  • Distant Control of AC Relays, Contactors and Starters Bulletin No. M-379FData Bulletin November 1999

    12 19841999 Schneider Electric All Rights Reserved

    The maximum control distance in feet between the device and its controlstation is shown. Calculations take into account two or three lengths of wireand the values shown represent the actual distance between the device andcontrol station. Shunt capacitance distances are based on full sourcevoltage. Series impedance distances are based on a difference of 5%between the coil and source voltage during inrush conditions. All valuesshown are for 60 Hz only.

    Class 8501, Type KP, KU

    Maximum Control Distance

    Table 22: Maximum control distance in feet due to Shunt Capacitance (3-wire control in water filled conduit)

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    8501 KP, KU C All

    6122448

    120208240

    *

    *

    *

    14852357555

    *

    *

    *

    13352107050

    *

    *

    *

    11151755540

    *

    *

    35408851404536

    *

    *

    39809951555035

    *

    *

    419010451655540

    * Distance for series impedance is shorter and is the limiting value.

    Table 23: Maximum control distance in feet due to Shunt Capacitance (2-wire control in water filled conduit)

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    8501 KP, KU C All

    6122448

    120208240

    *

    *

    *

    2970475155115

    *

    *

    *

    2675425140105

    *

    *

    *

    223035511585

    *

    *

    *

    17702809070

    *

    *

    *

    199031510575

    *

    *

    8380209533511080

    * Distance for series impedance is shorter and is the limiting value.

    Table 24: Maximum control distance in feet due to Series Impedance

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    8501 KP, KU C All

    6122448

    120208240

    75300

    12054835

    3023090825

    120920

    115470

    18907575

    47365142315189475

    180735

    29451179073705

    221450294835

    28011354540

    18175113615341355454470

    43017306920

    27680173010519800692045

    6452590

    1037041480

    259275778990

  • Bulletin No. M-379F Distant Control of AC Relays, Contactors and StartersNovember 1999 Data Bulletin

    13 19841999 Schneider Electric All Rights Reserved

    The maximum control distance in feet between the device and its controlstation is shown. Calculations take into account two or three lengths of wireand the values shown represent the actual distance between the device andcontrol station. Shunt capacitance distances are based on full sourcevoltage. Series impedance distances are based on a difference of 5%between the coil and source voltage during inrush conditions. All valuesshown are for 60 Hz only.

    NOTE: Distances shown below apply only to those Type L relays utilizing the31111-400 series coils.

    Class 8501, Type LO

    Maximum Control Distance

    Table 25: Maximum control distance in feet due to Shunt Capacitance (3-wire control in water filled conduit)

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    8501 LO A 28

    6122448

    120208240

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    670500

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    600450

    *

    *

    *

    *

    1510500375

    *

    *

    *

    *

    1200400300

    *

    *

    *

    *

    1350445335

    *

    *

    *

    *

    1420470355

    * Distance for series impedance is shorter and is the limiting value.

    Table 26: Maximum control distance in feet due to Shunt Capacitance (2-wire control in water filled conduit)

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    8501 LO A 28

    6122448

    120208240

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    13401005

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    1250905

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    1005755

    *

    *

    *

    *

    2400800600

    *

    *

    *

    *

    2700895675

    *

    *

    *

    *

    2840945710

    * Distance for series impedance is shorter and is the limiting value..

    Table 27: Maximum control distance in feet due to Series Impedance

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    8501 LO A 28

    6122448

    120208240

    21040

    170106532054265

    41565

    265167050256695

    625

    100415

    26057835

    10430

    1040

    160640

    40251210016110

    1560

    245980

    61451847024595

    2090

    36514759240

    2777036975

  • Distant Control of AC Relays, Contactors and Starters Bulletin No. M-379FData Bulletin November 1999

    14 19841999 Schneider Electric All Rights Reserved

    The maximum control distance in feet between the device and its controlstation is shown. Calculations take into account two or three lengths of wireand the values shown represent the actual distance between the device andcontrol station. Shunt capacitance distances are based on full sourcevoltage. Series impedance distances are based on a difference of 5%between the coil and source voltage during inrush conditions. All valuesshown are for 60 Hz only.

    Class 8501, Type R

    Maximum Control Distance

    Table 28: Maximum control distance in feet due to Shunt Capacitance (3-wire control in water filled conduit)

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10

    8501 R A 4 DT

    6122448

    120240

    *

    *

    *

    83513030

    *

    *

    *

    75012030

    *

    *

    251562510025

    *

    *

    19954957515

    * Distance for series impedance is shorter and is the limiting value.

    Table 29: Maximum control distance in feet due to Shunt Capacitance (2-wire control in water filled conduit)

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10

    8501 R A 4 DT

    6122448

    120240

    *

    *

    *

    167526565

    *

    *

    *

    150524060

    *

    *

    *

    125520050

    *

    *

    399599515535

    * Distance for series impedance is shorter and is the limiting value.

    Table 30: Maximum control distance in feet due to Series Impedance

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10

    8501 R A 4 DT

    6122448

    120240

    80330

    13355340

    33390133560

    130520

    20958395

    52485209940

    205820

    32801312582035

    328145

    31512705090

    20360127250509015

  • Bulletin No. M-379F Distant Control of AC Relays, Contactors and StartersNovember 1999 Data Bulletin

    15 19841999 Schneider Electric All Rights Reserved

    The maximum control distance in feet between the device and its controlstation is shown. Calculations take into account two or three lengths of wireand the values shown represent the actual distance between the device andcontrol station. Shunt capacitance distances are based on full sourcevoltage. Series impedance distances are based on a difference of 5%between the coil and source voltage during inrush conditions. All valuesshown are for 60 Hz only.

    Class 8501, Type XO

    Maximum Control Distance

    Table 31: Maximum control distance in feet due to Shunt Capacitance (3-wire control in water filled conduit)

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    8501 XO A All

    6122448

    120208240

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    430325

    *

    *

    *

    *

    1170390290

    *

    *

    *

    *

    975325240

    *

    *

    *

    *

    775255190

    *

    *

    *

    *

    870290215

    *

    *

    *

    *

    915305225

    * Distance for series impedance is shorter and is the limiting value.

    Table 32: Maximum control distance in feet due to Shunt Capacitance (2-wire control in water filled conduit)

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    8501 XO A All

    6122448

    120208240

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    865650

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    780585

    *

    *

    *

    *

    1950650485

    *

    *

    *

    *

    1550515385

    *

    *

    *

    *

    1740580435

    *

    *

    *

    *

    1835610455

    * Distance for series impedance is shorter and is the limiting value.

    Table 33: Maximum control distance in feet due to Series Impedance

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    8501 XO A All

    6122448

    120208240

    31045

    195124537454990

    41575

    310193558257755

    725

    115475

    29808960

    11925

    1045

    180720

    45201358518085

    1565

    26510756730

    2023026935

    2095

    39015659805

    2945539220

  • Distant Control of AC Relays, Contactors and Starters Bulletin No. M-379FData Bulletin November 1999

    16 19841999 Schneider Electric All Rights Reserved

    The maximum control distance in feet between the device and its controlstation is shown. Calculations take into account two or three lengths of wireand the values shown represent the actual distance between the device andcontrol station. Shunt capacitance distances are based on full sourcevoltage. Series impedance distances are based on a difference of 5%between the coil and source voltage during inrush conditions. All valuesshown are for 60 Hz only.

    Class 8501, Type XL

    Maximum Control Distance

    Table 34: Maximum control distance in feet due to Shunt Capacitance (3-wire control in water filled conduit)

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    8501XL

    (UnlatchCoil )

    A All

    6122448

    120208240

    *

    *

    *

    *

    925305230

    *

    *

    *

    *

    830275205

    *

    *

    *

    *

    695230170

    *

    *

    *

    *

    550180135

    *

    *

    *

    3875620205155

    *

    *

    *

    4080650215160

    * Distance for series impedance is shorter and is the limiting value. For information on pick-up coil, see Class 8501, Type XO on page 15.

    Table 35: Maximum control distance in feet due to Shunt Capacitance (2-wire control in water filled conduit)

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    8501

    XL(UnlatchCoil ) A All

    6122448

    120208240

    *

    *

    *

    *

    1850615460

    *

    *

    *

    *

    1665555415

    *

    *

    *

    *

    1390460345

    *

    *

    *

    *

    1100365275

    *

    *

    *

    *

    1240410310

    *

    *

    *

    *

    1305430325

    * Distance for series impedance is shorter and is the limiting value. For information on pick-up coil, see Class 8501, Type XO on page 15.

    Table 36: Maximum control distance in feet due to Series Impedance

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    8501

    XL(UnlatchCoil ) A All

    6122448

    120208240

    1045

    195790

    49501487519805

    1575

    31012407780

    2337031120

    30120485

    1940121503650548605

    45185750

    3010188255657075315

    70285

    11554620

    2887586765

    115515

    105435

    17456990

    43690131275174760

    * Distance for series impedance is shorter and is the limiting value. For information on pick-up coil, see Class 8501, Type XO on page 15.

  • Bulletin No. M-379F Distant Control of AC Relays, Contactors and StartersNovember 1999 Data Bulletin

    17 19841999 Schneider Electric All Rights Reserved

    The maximum control distance in feet between the device and its controlstation is shown. Calculations take into account two or three lengths of wireand the values shown represent the actual distance between the device andcontrol station. Shunt capacitance distances are based on full sourcevoltage. Series impedance distances are based on a difference of 5%between the coil and source voltage during inrush conditions. All valuesshown are for 60 Hz only.

    Class 8502/ 8536, Type SA

    Maximum Control Distance

    Table 37: Maximum control distance in feet due to Shunt Capacitance (3-wire control in water filled conduit)

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    85028536 SA B 2-3

    6122448

    120208240277480600

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    80060045015095

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    71554040513585

    *

    *

    *

    *

    180060045033511070

    *

    *

    *

    *

    14304753552658555

    *

    *

    *

    *

    160553540030010060

    *

    *

    *

    *

    169056042031510565

    * Distance for series impedance is shorter and is the limiting value.

    Table 38: Maximum control distance in feet due to Shunt Capacitance (2-wire control in water filled conduit)

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    85028536 SA B 2-3

    6122448

    120208240277480600

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    16001200900300190

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    14351080810270170

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    1200900675225140

    *

    *

    *

    *

    2860950715535175110

    *

    *

    *

    *

    32151070800600200125

    *

    *

    *

    *

    33851125845635210135

    * Distance for series impedance is shorter and is the limiting value.

    Table 39: Maximum control distance in feet due to Series Impedance

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    85028536 SA B 2-3

    6122448

    120208240277480600

    28

    30135850

    256534154550

    1367521365

    31050

    2101335401553457120

    2139033420

    52080

    330207062308295

    110553319551870

    730

    125505

    31859570

    12745169755098079660

    1045

    190770

    482514505193102572577250

    120705

    1570

    28611507185

    215952875538305

    115020179720

  • Distant Control of AC Relays, Contactors and Starters Bulletin No. M-379FData Bulletin November 1999

    18 19841999 Schneider Electric All Rights Reserved

    The maximum control distance in feet between the device and its controlstation is shown. Calculations take into account two or three lengths of wireand the values shown represent the actual distance between the device andcontrol station. Shunt capacitance distances are based on full sourcevoltage. Series impedance distances are based on a difference of 5%between the coil and source voltage during inrush conditions. All valuesshown are for 60 Hz only.

    Class 8502/8536, Type SB and SCClass 8903, Type SM (Electrically Held)Maximum Control Distance

    Table 40: Maximum control distance in feet due to Shunt Capacitance (3-wire control in water filled conduit)

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    85028536

    SBSC

    A All

    6122448

    120208240277480600

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    880660495165105

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    79559544514595

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    66049537012075

    *

    *

    *

    *

    15005253952959560

    *

    *

    *

    *

    170059044033011070

    *

    *

    *

    *

    180062048535011570

    8903 SM

    * Distance for series impedance is shorter and is the limiting value.

    Table 41: Maximum control distance in feet due to Shunt Capacitance (2-wire control in water filled conduit)

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    85028536

    SBSC

    A All

    6122448

    120208240277480600

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    1300995330210

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    15001100895295190

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    1300995745245155

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    1000790590195125

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    1100885665220140

    *

    *

    *

    *

    37001200935700230145

    8903 SM

    * Distance for series impedance is shorter and is the limiting value.

    Table 42: Maximum control distance in feet due to Series Impedance

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    85028536

    SBSC

    A All

    6122448

    120208240277480600

    15

    2085

    5351600210028008600

    13400

    28

    30135845

    250033004500

    1350021100

    31050

    2101300390052007000

    2100032900

    52080

    325200061008100

    108003250050900

    730

    120495

    31009300

    12400165004970077700

    1045

    185745

    460014000186002490074700

    116800

    8903 SM

  • Bulletin No. M-379F Distant Control of AC Relays, Contactors and StartersNovember 1999 Data Bulletin

    19 19841999 Schneider Electric All Rights Reserved

    The maximum control distance in feet between the device and its controlstation is shown. Calculations take into account two or three lengths of wireand the values shown represent the actual distance between the device andcontrol station. Shunt capacitance distances are based on full sourcevoltage. Series impedance distances are based on a difference of 5%between the coil and source voltage during inrush conditions. All valuesshown are for 60 Hz only.

    Class 8502/8536, Type SDClass 8903, Type SP (Electrically Held)Maximum Control Distance

    Table 43: Maximum control distance in feet due to Shunt Capacitance (3-wire control in water filled conduit)

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    85028536

    SD

    A 2 & 3

    6122448

    120208240277480600

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    1300980735245155

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    1100885665220140

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    980735550180115

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    78058544014590

    *

    *

    *

    *

    2600875655490160105

    *

    *

    *

    *

    2700920690520170110

    8903 SP

    * Distance for series impedance is shorter and is the limiting value.

    Table 44: Maximum control distance in feet due to Shunt Capacitance (2-wire control in water filled conduit)

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    85028536

    SD

    A 2 & 3

    6122448

    120208240277480600

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    19001400490315

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    230017001300440280

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    190014001100365235

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    15001100880290185

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    17001300985325210

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    180013001000345220

    8903 SP

    * Distance for series impedance is shorter and is the limiting value.

    Table 45: Maximum control distance in feet due to Series Impedance

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    85028536 SD

    A 2 & 3

    6122448

    120208240277480600

    15

    2080

    5151500200027008300

    12900

    28

    30125810

    240032004300

    1290020200

    31050

    2001200370050006600

    2000031200

    41575

    305190057007600

    101003050047600

    725

    110455

    28008500

    11400152004570071500

    1040

    165670

    420012600168002240067200

    105100

    8903 SP

  • Distant Control of AC Relays, Contactors and Starters Bulletin No. M-379FData Bulletin November 1999

    20 19841999 Schneider Electric All Rights Reserved

    The maximum control distance in feet between the device and its controlstation is shown. Calculations take into account two or three lengths of wireand the values shown represent the actual distance between the device andcontrol station. Shunt capacitance distances are based on full sourcevoltage. Series impedance distances are based on a difference of 5%between the coil and source voltage during inrush conditions. All valuesshown are for 60 Hz only.

    Class 8502/8536, Type SDClass 8903, Type SP (Electrically Held)Maximum Control Distance

    Table 46: Maximum control distance in feet due to Shunt Capacitance (3-wire control in water filled conduit)

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    85028536

    SD

    A 4 & 5

    6122448

    120208240277480600

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    975730550180115

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    875660495165105

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    73055041013585

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    58043532510565

    *

    *

    *

    *

    196065049036512075

    *

    *

    *

    *

    206568551538512580

    8903 SP

    * Distance for series impedance is shorter and is the limiting value.

    Table 47: Maximum control distance in feet due to Shunt Capacitance (2-wire control in water filled conduit)

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    85028536

    SD

    A 4 & 5

    6122448

    120208240277480600

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    14651100365230

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    17551320990330210

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    14651100825275175

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    1160870655215135

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    1305890735245155

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    13751030775255165

    8903 SP

    * Distance for series impedance is shorter and is the limiting value.

    Table 48: Maximum control distance in feet due to Series Impedance

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    85028536 SD

    A 4 & 5

    6122448

    120208240277480600

    03

    1560

    38011501530204061259575

    15

    2095

    5951790238531759540

    14905

    29

    35145915

    276036754895

    1470022975

    31055

    2201395420055907445

    2236534945

    52080

    330209062808360

    111403345052270

    730

    120485

    30609195

    12245163104898076530

    8903 SP

  • Bulletin No. M-379F Distant Control of AC Relays, Contactors and StartersNovember 1999 Data Bulletin

    21 19841999 Schneider Electric All Rights Reserved

    The maximum control distance in feet between the device and its controlstation is shown. Calculations take into account two or three lengths of wireand the values shown represent the actual distance between the device andcontrol station. Shunt capacitance distances are based on full sourcevoltage. Series impedance distances are based on a difference of 5%between the coil and source voltage during inrush conditions. All valuesshown are for 60 Hz only.

    Class 8502/8536, Type SEClass 8903, Type SQ (Electrically Held)Maximum Control Distance

    Table 49: Maximum control distance in feet due to Shunt Capacitance (3-wire control in water filled conduit)

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    85028536

    SE

    A 2 & 3

    2448

    120208240277480600

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    825275175

    *

    *

    *

    *

    990740245155

    *

    *

    *

    1000825620205130

    *

    *

    *

    870655490160100

    *

    *

    *

    980735550180115

    *

    *

    *

    1000775580190120

    8903 SQ

    * Distance for series impedance is shorter and is the limiting value.

    Table 50: Maximum control distance in feet due to Shunt Capacitance (2-wire control in water filled conduit)

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    85028536

    SE

    A 2 & 3

    2448

    120208240277480600

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    550350

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    1400495315

    *

    *

    *

    *

    16001200410260

    *

    *

    *

    17001300980325205

    *

    *

    *

    190014001100365235

    *

    *

    *

    200015001100385245

    8903 SQ

    * Distance for series impedance is shorter and is the limiting value.

    Table 51: Maximum control distance in feet due to Series Impedance

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    85028536 SE

    A 2 & 3

    2448

    120208240277480600

    935

    230695925

    120037005700

    1455

    36010001400190057009000

    2085

    5551600220029008900

    13900

    30135845

    250033004500

    1350021200

    50200

    1200380050003700

    2030031800

    70295

    1800560074009900

    2990046700

    8903 SQ

  • Distant Control of AC Relays, Contactors and Starters Bulletin No. M-379FData Bulletin November 1999

    22 19841999 Schneider Electric All Rights Reserved

    The maximum control distance in feet between the device and its controlstation is shown. Calculations take into account two or three lengths of wireand the values shown represent the actual distance between the device andcontrol station. Shunt capacitance distances are based on full sourcevoltage. Series impedance distances are based on a difference of 5%between the coil and source voltage during inrush conditions. All valuesshown are for 60 Hz only.

    Class 8502/8536, Type SEClass 8903, Type SQ (Electrically Held)

    Class 8502/8536, Type SFClass 8903, Type SV (Electrically Held)Maximum Control Distance

    Table 52: Maximum control distance in feet due to Shunt Capacitance (3-wire control in water filled conduit)

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #685028536 SE A 4 & 5

    2448

    120208240277480600

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    495315

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    445285

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    1100370235

    *

    *

    *

    15001100885295185

    *

    *

    *

    17001300995330210

    *

    *

    *

    180013001000345220

    8903 SQ85028536 SF

    A All8903 SV

    * Distance for series impedance is shorter and is the limiting value.

    Table 53: Maximum control distance in feet due to Shunt Capacitance (2-wire control in water filled conduit)

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #685028536 SE A 4 & 5

    2448

    120208240277480600

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    990630

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    890570

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    740475

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    1700590375

    *

    *

    *

    *

    26001900660420

    *

    *

    *

    *

    27002000695445

    8903 SQ85028536 SF

    A All8903 SV

    * Distance for series impedance is shorter and is the limiting value.

    Table 54: Maximum control distance in feet due to Series Impedance

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #685028536 SE A 4 & 5

    2448

    120208240277480600

    520

    145445595795

    23003700

    935

    230695925

    120037005700

    1055

    35510001400190057008900

    2085

    5401600210028008600

    13500

    30125805

    240032004200

    1280020100

    45185

    1100350046006200

    1870029300

    8903 SQ85028536 SF

    A All8903 SV

  • Bulletin No. M-379F Distant Control of AC Relays, Contactors and StartersNovember 1999 Data Bulletin

    23 19841999 Schneider Electric All Rights Reserved

    The maximum control distance in feet between the device and its controlstation is shown. Calculations take into account two or three lengths of wireand the values shown represent the actual distance between the device andcontrol station. Shunt capacitance distances are based on full sourcevoltage. Series impedance distances are based on a difference of 5%between the coil and source voltage during inrush conditions. All valuesshown are for 60 Hz only.

    Class 8502/8536, Type SGOClass 8903, Type SXO (Electrically Held)Maximum Control Distance

    Table 55: Maximum control distance in feet due to Shunt Capacitance (3-wire control in water filled conduit)

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    85028536 SGO

    B All

    120208240277480600

    *

    *

    *

    *

    480940

    *

    *

    *

    *

    430845

    *

    *

    *

    *

    360705

    *

    *

    *

    850280560

    *

    *

    1280960320630

    *

    179013401010340660

    8903 SXO

    * Distance for series impedance is shorter and is the limiting value.

    Table 56: Maximum control distance in feet due to Shunt Capacitance (2-wire control in water filled conduit)

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    85028536 SGO

    B All

    120208240277480600

    *

    *

    *

    *

    9501800

    *

    *

    *

    *

    8601600

    *

    *

    *

    *

    7201400

    *

    *

    *

    *

    5701100

    *

    *

    *

    1920640

    1200

    *

    *

    *

    2000670

    13008903 SXO

    * Distance for series impedance is shorter and is the limiting value.

    Table 57: Maximum control distance in feet due to Series Impedance

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    85028536 SGO

    B All

    120208240277480600

    65200270355

    10702100

    105320420565

    17003300

    165500670890

    27005000

    260790

    1050140042007500

    4101240164022006600

    11000

    640192026003400

    1020015600

    8903 SXO

  • Distant Control of AC Relays, Contactors and Starters Bulletin No. M-379FData Bulletin November 1999

    24 19841999 Schneider Electric All Rights Reserved

    The maximum control distance in feet between the device and its controlstation is shown. Calculations take into account two or three lengths of wireand the values shown represent the actual distance between the device andcontrol station. Shunt capacitance distances are based on full sourcevoltage. Series impedance distances are based on a difference of 5%between the coil and source voltage during inrush conditions. All valuesshown are for 60 Hz only.

    Class 8502/8536, Type SHClass 8903, Types SY, SZ (ElectricallyHeld)Maximum Control Distance

    Table 58: Maximum control distance in feet due to Shunt Capacitance (3-wire control in water filled conduit)

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    85028536

    SH

    A All

    120208240277480600

    *

    *

    *

    *

    475305

    *

    *

    *

    *

    425270

    *

    *

    *

    *

    355225

    *

    *

    *

    850280180

    *

    *

    1200955315200

    *

    *

    13001000335215

    8903 SY, SZ

    * Distance for series impedance is shorter and is the limiting value.

    Table 59: Maximum control distance in feet due to Shunt Capacitance (2-wire control in water filled conduit)

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    85028536

    SH

    A All

    120208240277480600

    *

    *

    *

    *

    950610

    *

    *

    *

    *

    855545

    *

    *

    *

    *

    715455

    *

    *

    *

    *

    565360

    *

    *

    *

    1900635405

    *

    *

    *

    2000670430

    8903 SY, SZ

    * Distance for series impedance is shorter and is the limiting value.

    Table 60: Maximum control distance in feet due to Series Impedance

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    85028536

    SH

    A All

    120208240277480600

    65200265355

    10001600

    105315420560

    16002600

    165495660880

    26004100

    255765

    1000130040006300

    39011001500200062009700

    5851700230031009400

    147008903 SY, SZ

  • Bulletin No. M-379F Distant Control of AC Relays, Contactors and StartersNovember 1999 Data Bulletin

    25 19841999 Schneider Electric All Rights Reserved

    The maximum control distance in feet between the device and its controlstation is shown. Calculations take into account two or three lengths of wireand the values shown represent the actual distance between the device andcontrol station. Shunt capacitance distances are based on full sourcevoltage. Series impedance distances are based on a difference of 5%between the coil and source voltage during inrush conditions. All valuesshown are for 60 Hz only.

    Class 8502/8536, Type SJClass 8903, Types SJ (Electrically Held)Maximum Control Distance

    Table 61: Maximum control distance in feet due to Shunt Capacitance (3-wire control in water filled conduit)

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    850285368903

    SJ A All

    120208240277480600

    *

    *

    *

    *

    255160

    *

    *

    *

    *

    230145

    *

    *

    *

    575190120

    *

    *

    61045515095

    *

    *

    685510170105

    *

    960720540180115

    * Distance for series impedance is shorter and is the limiting value.

    Table 62: Maximum control distance in feet due to Shunt Capacitance (3-wire control in water filled conduit)

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    850285368903

    SJ A All

    120208240277480600

    *

    *

    *

    *

    510325

    *

    *

    *

    *

    460295

    *

    *

    *

    *

    380245

    *

    *

    *

    915305195

    *

    *

    *

    1025340215

    *

    *

    14401080360230

    * Distance for series impedance is shorter and is the limiting value.

    Table 63: Maximum control distance in feet due to Series Impedance

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    850285368903

    SJ A All

    120208240277480600

    40130175235710

    1110

    70210280375

    11251760

    110335445590

    17802785

    175525700935

    28104395

    275830

    1105147044206910

    4301295173023006920

    10810

  • Distant Control of AC Relays, Contactors and Starters Bulletin No. M-379FData Bulletin November 1999

    26 19841999 Schneider Electric All Rights Reserved

    The maximum control distance in feet between the device and its controlstation is shown. Calculations take into account two or three lengths of wireand the values shown represent the actual distance between the device andcontrol station. Shunt capacitance distances are based on full sourcevoltage. Series impedance distances are based on a difference of 5%between the coil and source voltage during inrush conditions. All valuesshown are for 60 Hz only.

    Class 8903, Type L (Electrically Held)Maximum Control Distance

    Table 64: Maximum control distance in feet due to Shunt Capacitance (3-wire control in water filled conduit)

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    8903 L B 2-6

    6122448

    120208240

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    780585

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    700525

    *

    *

    *

    *

    1700585435

    *

    *

    *

    *

    1300460345

    *

    *

    *

    *

    1500520390

    *

    *

    *

    *

    1600545410

    * Distance for series impedance is shorter and is the limiting value.

    Table 65: Maximum control distance in feet due to Shunt Capacitance (3-wire control in water filled conduit)

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    8903 L B 2-6

    6122448

    120208240

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    15001100

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    14001000

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    1100875

    *

    *

    *

    *

    2700925695

    *

    *

    *

    *

    31001000780

    *

    *

    *

    *

    33001000825

    * Distance for series impedance is shorter and is the limiting value.

    Table 66: Maximum control distance in feet due to Series Impedance

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    8903 L B 2-6

    6122448

    120208240

    17

    30125790

    23003100

    31045

    195124037004900

    41575

    305193558007700

    725

    115475

    29008900

    11900

    1045

    180725

    45001360018200

    1565

    27010006900

    2050027300

    * Distance for series impedance is shorter and is the limiting value.

  • Bulletin No. M-379F Distant Control of AC Relays, Contactors and StartersNovember 1999 Data Bulletin

    27 19841999 Schneider Electric All Rights Reserved

    The maximum control distance in feet between the device and its controlstation is shown. Calculations take into account two or three lengths of wireand the values shown represent the actual distance between the device andcontrol station. Shunt capacitance distances are based on full sourcevoltage. Series impedance distances are based on a difference of 5%between the coil and source voltage during inrush conditions. All valuesshown are for 60 Hz only.

    Class 8903, Type L (Electrically Held)Maximum Control Distance

    Table 67: Maximum control distance in feet due to Shunt Capacitance (3-wire control in water filled conduit)

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    8903 L B 8-12

    6122448

    120208240

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    13651025

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    1225920

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    1025770

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    810610

    *

    *

    *

    *

    2745910685

    *

    *

    *

    *

    2890960720

    * Distance for series impedance is shorter and is the limiting value.

    Table 68: Maximum control distance in feet due to Shunt Capacitance (3-wire control in water filled conduit)

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    8903 L B 8-12

    6122448

    120208240

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    2050

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    24551845

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    20501540

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    16251220

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    18251370

    *

    *

    *

    *

    *

    19251445

    * Distance for series impedance is shorter and is the limiting value.

    Table 69: Maximum control distance in feet due to Series Impedance

    Class Type Series Poles VoltageWIRE GAUGE

    #16 #14 #12 #10 #8 #6

    8903 L B 8-12

    6122448

    120208240

    16

    2095

    62018752495

    29

    35155975

    29353910

    31560

    240152045656080

    52090

    370234070309360

    835

    140565

    35551068014220

    1050

    210850

    53101596021250

  • Electrical equipment should be serviced only by qualified electrical maintenance personnel. Noresponsibility is assumed by Schneider Electric for any consequences arising out of the use of thismaterial.

    Distant Control of AC Relays, Contactors and Starters Bulletin No. M-379FData Bulletin November 1999

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