lit/ - - luke turnerluketurner.com/manifesto-4chan.pdf · >>4466628 all of them had...

[Settings] [Rules] [FAQ] [Feedback] [Status] [Home]

[308 replies] [26 images] [Page 8]

Privacy & Terms

[a / b / c / d / e / f / g / gif / h / hr / k / m / o / p / r / s / t / u / v / vg / vr / w / wg] [i / ic] [r9k] [s4s] [cm / hm / lgbt / y] [3 /

adv / an / asp / cgl / ck / co / diy / fa / fit / gd / hc / int / jp / lit / mlp / mu / n / out / po / pol / sci / soc / sp / tg / toy / trv /

tv / vp / wsg / x] [rs] [@]

/lit/ - LiteratureText Board: /book/

[Advertise on 4chan]

Posting mode: Reply

[Return] [Catalog] [Bottom] [Update] [ Auto]

Name

E-mail

Subject Submit

Comment

Verification

4chan Pass users can bypass this CAPTCHA. [Learn More] [Login]

FileNo file chosenChoose File

[ Spoiler Image?]

Password ••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••• (Password used for deletion)

• Supported file types are: GIF, JPG, PNG

• Maximum file size allowed is 3072 KB.

• Images greater than 250x250 pixels will be thumbnailed.

• Read the rules and FAQ before posting.

• -


→ ENDS SOON: 4chan Passes are on sale for the holidays! ←

Passes can be purchased with debit or credit card, Bitcoin, and given to others as gifts.

Type the text (Required)

Change your settings

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

File: 1389641758801.jpg-(115 KB, 1000x658, pic.jpg) Anonymous 01/13/14(Mon)19:35 UTC No.4466568 Replies:

>>4466624 >>4466645 >>4466685 >>4466985 >>4467181 >>4467201>>4467734 >>4467982 >>4468395 >>4470684 >>4471496 >>4471792

http://www.metamodernism.org/

Anonymous 01/13/14(Mon)19:50 UTC No.4466605

No thanks.

Fandroid !p6ktXMpsfc 01/13/14(Mon)19:53 UTCNo.4466613 Replies: >>4466992 >>4468234 >>4468269

This guy's a fucking genius.

Anonymous 01/13/14(Mon)19:54 UTC No.4466614 Replies: >>4466621 >>4466633

What the fuck is this?

Defining a movement is so cringe worthy

Fandroid !p6ktXMpsfc 01/13/14(Mon)19:56 UTC No.4466621 Replies: >>4466628 >>4466992 >>4467008

>>4466614>Defining a movement is so cringe worthyso you mean almost every movement from the 20th century?

Surrealism, dadaism, the Beats, hippies?


>>4466568 (OP)the logo is not very good


>>4466621Defining your own movement I should have said.


Have you heard the stories of LeBuff going crazy lately?


>>4466628So what about defining my dick


I like it, it resonates well with many things I have thought myself. It's a little short though.

Anonymous 01/13/14(Mon)19:59 UTC No.4466633 Replies: >>4466902

>>4466614shia labeouf has retired from his "public life" and is starting an artistic movement or somethinggay like that

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>


fucking actors


I laughed too hard at this: "Just as science strives for poetic elegance, artists might assume a

quest for truth. All information is grounds for knowledge, whether empirical or aphoristic, no

matter its truth-value. We should embrace the scientific-poetic synthesis and informed naivety

of a magical realism. Error breeds sense".


I like it.


here's another gem:

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/01/02/authorship-is-censorship-bleeding-cool-in-conversation-

with-shia-labeouf/


>>4466568 (OP)

got bored at 2.

website looks alright though


It's 2014 why are you not oscillating yet /lit/?


simple english trans pls?


>>4466652

go read a book retard

Anonymous 01/13/14(Mon)20:07 UTC No.4466656 Replies: >>4466659 >>4466665 >>4469189

jesus christ my scientific brain can't handle this nonsense


I like how he tries to sound like he's so artistic yet all he did was plagiarize someone else work.


>>4466656

you mean autistic brain

Fandroid !p6ktXMpsfc 01/13/14(Mon)20:08 UTC No.4466660 Replies: >>4466672 >>4466992

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>4466628all of them had manifestos and described themselves.

Also you guys didn't realized this was also "plagiarized" or maybe bought off, because thismanifesto is by Luke Turner.

>The artist Luke Turner published a metamodernist manifesto in 2011 calling for an end to "theinertia resulting from a century of modernist ideological naivety and the cynical insincerity of itsantonymous bastard child", and instead proposing "a pragmatic romanticism unhindered byideological anchorage."[3]


>>4466659it's all bullshit

at least write something people can understand if it's a manifesto


I'm glad there is an art movement I can really relate to.


>>4466656No it's not easy being a one-function tool in a multifaceted reality.


>>4466662>doesn't understand it>still calls it bullshityour scientific brain is a bit slow


If he put as much effort into his creative endeavors as he does in coming up with shit-tierrationale for plagiarism.....he'd still suck


>>4466654which book retard


>>4466660

Is this just more metamodernism then?

Fandroid !p6ktXMpsfc 01/13/14(Mon)20:12 UTC No.4466676

>>4466662If you have the reading comprehension past the level of 12th grade you should understand it.


>>4466666could you please explain in layman terms what it means?

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>


>>4466678

lolno


>>4466658

The poor soul knows nothing about academic virtue, he just wants to be a spiritual guru

transcending the mundane triviality of a celebs life.


>>4466568 (OP)

The first two lines sound like the indoctrination of a cult. Forget everything you know. You must

accept what i have to tell you as truth and this will become your new reality.

>Knowledge shouldn't be what other people tell you. It should be about self discovery.


>>4466685

>hurr no one tells me what to believe

>btw let me tell you what's knowledge

kek


>>4466685

You mean like. . . Education?


he's too old to be puling this undergrad bulshit


So, in other words

just do what you want to do be it irony or sincerity or naivety or knowingness or truth or

relativism


>>4466689

I never told you what to believe my thoughts are the ones that are in green text. The top line

was sarcasm and paraphrasing of my personal opinion of the metamodernism.org website. I

said knowledge is about self discovery. You should figure out what to believe yourself. If you

couldn't understand what i was implying there i'm sorry.


>>4466710

>You should figure out what to believe yourself

you're doing it again. stop telling me what i should and should not believe


There's a speech of the guys who wrote it on youtube. I'm not going to link because I don't want

to, but it's there

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>


>>4466706I wouldn't put it so concretely. What he seems to be saying is things bounce around and don'tstay in one place. The whole thing about oscillation is that irony can exist with sincerity andsincerity can exist irony as well.


he didn't write this.

Shia got Luke Turner, the author of the manifesto, to swap in his name to make it look like he'sthe author.

Cause re-apropriation is what "metamodernism" is all about.Lol @ you people writing it off because of the name attached to it, proving his point.


>>4466706Yes but when you are sincere you are sincere and when you are naive you are naive youoscillate betwixt them in the same work I guess.


Who did he plagiarise this from?

Anonymous 01/13/14(Mon)20:25 UTC No.4466731 Replies: >>4472111File: 1389644702059.jpg-(127 KB, 750x750, oscillate.jpg)

Anonymous 01/13/14(Mon)20:25 UTC No.4466734 Replies: >>4466752 >>4467171 >>4470520 >>4470791

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbxI_qVlHbc [Embed]


>>4466695Sure. Our american education system as a whole is somewhat of a failure. Indoctrination isnever a good thing. It hinders true creativity. Instead of building what you want to learn you aretorn down and built back up to be what they want you to be. In the end of your life did you reallyaccomplish your goals or that of somebody else?

Anonymous 01/13/14(Mon)20:28 UTC No.4466740 Replies: >>4466751 >>4466753 >>4472058File: 1389644910668.jpg-(57 KB, 360x360, hippie-stoner1.jpg)

>>4466735

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>


>>4466714I am completely baffled by how you interpret things. I feel like i am either talking to a monkey ora complete genius. Is your name karl pilkington by any chance?


>>4466735If I get monies it's ok tho. They tear me apart and build me up so I'm fit to get a job and makesweet, sweet monies.


>>4466735>If Everyone In The World Dropped Out Of School We Would Have A Much More IntelligentSociety


http://www.buzzfeed.com/jordanzakarin/shia-labeouf-rip-off-daniel-clowes-howard-cantour

Fandroid !p6ktXMpsfc 01/13/14(Mon)20:31 UTC No.4466751 Replies: >>4466992

>>4466740he's right though.


>>4466734OK which one of you did this?


>>4466740>I do not have an appropriate or adequate written response so here have a picture.


>>4466735i don't think american education is that bad..when i was a kid i had lots of opportunities to be creative, on top of being introduced to therudiments of math, english, science, history, etc.

that stuff is important.And sure, they are "building you up to be what they want you to be", but what they want you tobe, is a well-rounded, reasonably educated person by the time you drop out of high school.

it's not perfect, but you really can't let a kid "build what they want to learn" because you can'thave grown adults in the world who don't know mathematics or the history of their country.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

granted those adults emerge naturally regardless, but that's another problem entirely.you can't say we don't try.


>>4466753I think you are making a vague criticism of education. I don't think there is a big conspiracy.They don't tell you what jobs to pick certain jobs. You can do what you want to do. But the corporations maane.


>>4466766>They don't tell you what jobs to pick certain jobs.

Try to post that you're a liberal arts student on /sci/ and see what happens.


>>4466766>They don't tell you what jobs to pick certain jobs. You can do what you want to do.

you actually believe this. Are you American? You can literally "do what you wanna do" but we'retalking in the context of a society that needs workers. The education system more or less fitseveryone into the same mold to sustain the economy. why do you think people like Einstein orBill Gates had trouble at school?


>>4466772the education system doesn't do that..

the education system just introduces you to the major disciplines, to ensure that every kid hasat least some hope of becoming a relatively educated adult.

when you're older, if you decide to devote your life to one of those disciplines, that's your call.but it just so happens that some are more lucrative than others.


>>4466800some people don't have good home lives, and will never find out what algebra or shakespeareare without being introduced to them through an organized curriculum.

If you had good parents, who gave you a library card and taught you about the world, then luckyyou. Some of us weren't so lucky, and school was a blessing.

i would be a complete retard without school, and the same is true for most people.

You simply can't run a civilized country without public education. You just can't.


>>4466805But my art degree means I am sophisticated man. I will never get a real degree maanne.


>>4466811

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

you know homeschooling exists? and other alternative forms of education?


>>4466805…those who are in ideology believe themselves by definition outside ideology: one of the effectsof ideology is the practical denial of the ideological character of ideology by ideology." --Althusser


>>4466805what the bourgeoisie has installed as its number-one, i.e. as its dominant ideological Stateapparatus, is the educational apparatus, which has in fact replaced in its functions thepreviously dominant ideological State apparatus, the Church" --Althusser


>>4466816there sure are.All i'm saying is that there needs to be some sort of free, public, standardized, and compulsory,education system. It is a necessary evil.

homeschooling is not a solution to the problem i'm talking about, and i don't know how you wouldthink it is.


>>4466819Implying you have not brainwashed yourself with marxism.


>>4466805>>4466819>>4466825"Each mass ejected en route is practically provided with the ideology which suits the role it hasto fulfill in class society" -- Althusser


>>4466828>being too idiotic to refute his points.


>>4466825i cannot fathom a workable society that would not have some sort of free and compulsoryeducation system.

Whether you call it a church, or a school, or whatever.

As long as there are bad parents, it's a necessary evil.


>>4466840But the bourgeois system maane. They are basically the communist version of /pol/'s jews. Boogey men to blame societiesillnesses on.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>


>>4466846Again, you offered no genuine critique: you merely put forth the groupthink


>>4466826>>4466826The american education system doesnt need to be removed it needs to be reestablished. Weare falling behind the rest of the first world. The public schools i went to were pathetic.


is anyone going to try to explain what the manifesto actually says


>>4466848How do you propose we fix the education system? Or do you advocate abolishing it? A publiceducation is critical for a society. I myself am from a poor background and I would not be inCollege if it were not for free education.


'How do you do a manifesto, Lars?'


>>4466850alright, this i can get behind.

i have to confess that i'm actually canadian, and in canada the ministries of education areconstantly scrutinizing and updating the standard curriculums.

i assumed the department of education does the same thing for america? if not then i guess that's the problem. It's a subject that should be under constant scrutiny.

Anonymous 01/13/14(Mon)21:13 UTC No.4466864 Replies: >>4466869 >>4466871 >>4466879 >>4466888File: 1389647636073.jpg-(46 KB, 540x392, teacher.jpg)

>>4466856I propose to encourage the students creativity. That there is not alwaysone solution to every problem. Here ill give a couple pictures to point outsome very big flaws.


>>4466861Yeah I think they should put in on the standard of the Northeastern schools. But the schools inthe inner city will never improve. Niggers are gonna nig.


>>4466856No, do not abolish it. Society just needs to recognize that, within an ideological state apparatus,i.e. bureaucracy, education/schooling is inherently ideological. Schools obfuscate their ideologyby acting as neutral within the bureaucracy. Althusser says, ""an ideology which represents the

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

School as a neutral environment purged of ideology (because it is…lay), where teachers

respectful of the 'conscience' and 'freedom' of the children who are entrusted to them (in

complete confidence) by their 'parents' (who are free, too, i.e. the owners of their children) open

up for them the path to the freedom, morality and responsibility of adults by their own example,

by knowledge, literature and their 'liberating' virtues". Now, what ideology you want the school to

be propagating, that is your choice.


File: 1389647702817.jpg-(31 KB, 452x309, unhelpful-highschool-teac(...).jpg)

>>4466864


>>4466864

How do you encourage activity? That is a vague answer. Provide concrete answers. I don't want

these reddit pictures.


>>4466868

I'm curious how does Althusser view Gramsci? Also what type of Marxist is he?


File: 1389647971438.jpg-(50 KB, 336x485, 37f729aae8e16104d78716341(...).jpg)

>>4466869


>>4466864

what are you talking about exactly? can you give an example, and what subject you're talking

about?

because at my school, in the appropriate subjects, kids were given every opportunity to express

themselves and their views on subjects. I can't imagine an english or history class where that's

not the case..

i mean if you wanted to, you could do that for arithmetic..

But that's pretty dumb, and why would you do that?


>>4466878

Like I said anyone can make vague criticisms. But how to fix the problem.


>>4466864

>>4466869

>>4466878

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

you're stupid as a dump

stop blaming education for this


>>4466658He's had a few plagirising scndals lately. Apologising with a plagarised apology. Now this.


>>4466893http://www.buzzfeed.com/jordanzakarin/shia-labeouf-rip-off-daniel-clowes-howard-cantour

He plagiarized some guy's comic. I always knew he was douche.


>>4466633And still he has made more than you...

>>4466671Hitler, DickNigger, Boxxy and Your Mom in Big Trouble (part of the Goosebumps series that youmissed out on because you huffed gas at the restroom during recesses.)

Anonymous 01/13/14(Mon)21:27 UTC No.4466906 Replies: >>4466913 >>4466920File: 1389648465262.jpg-(72 KB, 634x650, c0c.jpg)

>>4466879>because at my school, in the appropriate subjects, kids were given everyopportunity to express themselves and their views on subjectsAre we talking about the same american public school system i went to?


>>4466906Well the education varies from place to place. But I can say that at my school we could expressourselves on topics. Hell we had one kid who was a convinced marxist deliver a report on theevils of capitalism and he was not censored.


>>4466900No one knew what this comic was before he plagiarized it.

Filmmakers steal shit all the time.

Anonymous 01/13/14(Mon)21:29 UTC No.4466915File: 1389648586934.jpg-(82 KB, 446x750, CvDlObo.jpg)

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>


>>4466879

Intelligence doesnt come from regurgitating facts. We are human beings not parrots. How about

encourage creativity and thinking outside the box solutions? That is what makes us humans and

not machines.


>>4466914

But there is a certain degree of douchiness that Shia Lebouf just seems to give off. You can tell

he is the biggest cunt.


>>4466906

you guys didn't write journals/reflections or whatever?

i mean, you always have to do route memorization of dates and names and facts, but i recall

there always being a few reflection questions on every assignment.

i think it's, in fact, a necessity in the modern curriculum?

i'm canadian tho, so maybe america is just shit.


>>4466875

Althusser is extremely influenced by Gramsci insofar as Gramsci's idea of cultural hegemony is

one of the foundations of his system a (marx, grasmci, hegel, and lacan). He is very much a

structural marxist -- so he draws upon psychoanalysis -- in which he examines the State instead

of the common class distinction per se. He does an excellent close reading of Marx's system.

Then Althusser goes all Hegelian, and I have difficulty following.


>>4466920

Depends where you go in the US really. The Northeast is fine. But the Southern schools are

typically not as good. And the inner city schools are filled with malt drinking ghetto monkeys.


>>4466924

Did he reject the Soviet Union and embrace Luxemborg or Trosky or was he a follower of the

established marxist states.


>>4466918

most gradeschool math classes have a chunk of the curriculum devoted to problem solving

(where kids are encouraged to be creative), and a chunk devoted to teaching kids the rudiments

of whatever the material is (arithmetic, algebra)

the fact is, you have to teach people those mechanical processes one way or the other. That's

how you learn the rudiments of math.

there are not REALLY a lot of "out of the box" solutions in arithmetic.

not many that are useful


>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>4466918Sorry that was meant for this post: >>4466883

Another great idea is have the students pick a book to do reports on as long as its appropriateinstead of mandated project books. Thats one way to give the students a little freedom in theireducation and encourage them to work hard on something.


>>4466920I can say that my education in Massachusetts was fine. Although I come from a suburban andlargely middle class background. In history and literature we were encouraged to have our ownopinions. Although there was a lot of bias coming from the teacher especially in History. My11th grade teacher was Marxist and the 12th grade teacher was Neo-con.


>>4466936I remember a teacher who said if i didnt do long division its wrong. I could do it all inside myhead but since she couldnt see my "process" it was wrong. Even though the answer was rightevery time. This in my opinion hurts peoples intelligence by shutting them down and forcingthem to fail even though they figured it out in their own way.


>>4466940We did that at my school. One book was picked by choice and the other wad mandatory. Butthe problem with that approach is that the teacher has already read the assigned book and withthe unassigned book he will not be able to properly grade it.


>>4466933No, he did not reject it unfortunately, which was odd since he is critical of the State. This beganthe dissolution of structuralism. He talked about it in his memoirs, but i forget. He was an antihumanist, so when his colleagues were embracing the anti-stalinist position within the Frenchcommunist party, he was angry.


>>4466933>>4466965I'm in class right now, so I will try to respond when I see your posts.


>>4466965Sounds strange an anti-hummanist marxist. A position I would associate with fascist but neverwith a marxist intellectual. So he would think whatever it takes is justified to create communism.


>>4466568 (OP)" 2.We must liberate ourselves from the inertia resulting from a century of modernist ideologicalnaivety and the cynical insincerity of its antonymous bastard child. "I lol'd

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>


>>4466613>>4466621>>4466660>>4466751

I bet this guy didn't trip his trip and posted as anon in this thread.... that would totally not happen


>>4466955i think your teacher was right in the sense that they were trying to teach you the mechanicalprocess of long division.

If you don't show your work, they have no way to evaluation your progress, which is their job.

i know it's frustrating though, i got the same thing when i was in school.


>>4466961Right? Okay i can understand that. The teacher cant possibly know. She could however read asmall analysis about the book ahead of time and then judge the student on their creativity ofpresentation of how the book was interpreted by them.


>>4466985How was the modernist movement naive? It was pretty damn cynical. Shia Lebouf does notmake sense.


>>4466995*evaluatenot evaluation


>>4466621The movements themselves are one thing their manifestos something else.In my experience the manifestos rarely capture the charm of the movement.Manifestos can still be pretty cool. Futurists.


>>4466992Could be.. He could also be shia labouf himself. How would anyone know? I do know that on theone occasion he did defend me and that was greatly appreciated.


>>4467003Modernism was basically the idea that art could shape the world into a better place and some ofthe results was fascism, nazism and communism


>>4467020

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

Those ideologies did not emerge because of modernism.


>>4467030Well its all in the interpretation. Marx wanted a new modern society that would cater toeverybody's needs. He was not pleased with how things were run and suggested a betteralternative. In that sense isnt that modernism?


>>4467043But I was referring to the cultural movement of modernism.


>>4466714hey, man. you can, if you wish, think for yourself or have someone tell you what to think, ifthat's cool with you.


>>4466734I lost it as soon as she started drawing on her face with that lipstick.


>>4466568 (OP)fuck james franco


>>4467046They are a product of the same age. Hitler was an artist and a dreamer. Lenin was very inspiredby the coffee house sessions in Switzerland during ww1.

Modernism was more than a just cultural movement.


http://youtu.be/DdbnX4ZnnEw?t=54m57s [Embed]

Here is all you need to know about movements


>>4466568 (OP)

>MFW THIS IS GOOD

wow. nice one, labeof


Wouldn't Celebritism be a more suitable word? Only a douche like Shia Le Bouf would be able topull off a movement without having any works or any substantial material out. What has hedone? Transformers.

Or philosophical tweets a'la Will Smith's son?

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>


>>4467214i like holes


>>4467046Well doesn't the cultural movement result from an idea? Ideas are great but in practice theydon't always work out. This is why certain literature is dangerous.

Anonymous 01/13/14(Mon)22:49 UTC No.4467254 Replies: >>4467381File: 1389653343764.jpg-(27 KB, 339x304, tumblr_mowtdqgZHh1qeeme6o1_400.jpg)

>>4467237

Anonymous 01/13/14(Mon)23:00 UTC No.4467306 Replies: >>4467362 >>4467372File: 1389654035952.jpg-(307 KB, 890x698, UFO82925pb-2.jpg)

I for one enjoy cunts getting crunk on life and putting out manifestos andjust winging it even if they don't make very much sense.


NONONONONONONONONO

Anonymous 01/13/14(Mon)23:16 UTC No.4467362 Replies: >>4467372File: 1389655004726.jpg-(454 KB, 800x800, UFO81195dd448-2.jpg)

>>4467306I too love getting crunk on life.


>>4467306>>4467362when did these happen. I need to see them used irl


>>4467372They're called phat pants and are a rave thing. Seeing them in action is not pretty:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPbVRpRgHso [Embed]


>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>4467254BEANS!


>Odeon

This compact café-bar on Bellevue is where Lenin once sat. Café Odeon has been opened atthe beginning of last century, and is today one of the classics cafes in Zürich. Exiled writers,painters and musicians all found a second home at the Odeon. Klaus Mann, Benito Mussolini,Stefan Zweig, James Joyce, Albert Einstein and Lenin are just a few of them.

The amount of conspiracy theories that could start with this.


>>4467378>not pretty

The very two words I'd use to describe this footage.


>>4467378well... at least they're having fun.


charlatans.

stated succinctly this 'manifesto' would span all of two or three sentences.


>>4467385Einstein is was JEWISH and Lenin has JEWISH blood. THEY BOTH WORKERD ON ASECRET PROJECT TOGETHER.

Anonymous 01/13/14(Mon)23:39 UTC No.4467430File: 1389656381210.gif-(998 KB, 314x272, 1350.gif)

>>4467378muted the videoand its even worse.


>>4467385dan brown unzipping pants.jpeg


>>4466750was gonna post this lel

shia lebeouf, known plagiarizer

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

Anonymous 01/14/14(Tue)00:28 UTC No.4467553 Replies: >>4467569 >>4467575

>LaBeouf would later remove the film and claim that he did not intend to copy Clowes but was

instead “inspired” by him and “got lost in the creative process.”[26] He followed this up with several

apologies via Twitter writing "In my excitement and naiveté as an amateur filmmaker, I got lost in

the creative process and neglected to follow proper accreditation", and "I deeply regret the manner

in which these events have unfolded and want @danielclowes to know that I have a great respect

for his work". Clowes responded by saying "The first I ever heard of the film was this morning when

someone sent me a link. I've never spoken to or met Mr. LaBeouf ... I actually can't imagine what

was going through his mind."[89] LaBeouf received some criticism over his apology, as sites such

as the AV Club noted that it appeared to have been taken from a 2010 post on Yahoo Answers.[90]

top kek, this guy seems alright

Fandroid !p6ktXMpsfc 01/14/14(Tue)00:34 UTC No.4467569 Replies: >>4467579

>>4467553

seriously anyone butthurt at labeouf has no sense of humor.

Anonymous 01/14/14(Tue)00:35 UTC No.4467573File: 1389659750514.png-(51 KB, 398x554, Untitled.png)

>We must go forth and

oscillate!

Anonymous 01/14/14(Tue)00:36 UTC No.4467575

>>4467553

that's pretty hilarious

Anonymous 01/14/14(Tue)00:38 UTC No.4467579 Replies: >>4467583

>>4467569

Looks like the SLIDF is in full force.


>>4467579

shia labeouf internet defense force?


>>4467583

Yeah.


>>4466666

holy quads


"We must liberate ourselves from the inertia resulting from a century of modernist ideological

naivety and the cynical insincerity of its antonymous bastard child."

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

OK, hey, cool idea. Give me a second man.

...

Okay, we've gained momentum Sir Labeouf, all systems go.


huh? I saw this website a couple of months ago, but I don't remember Shia's name beingattached then. Not that I mind really, Shia is the most interesting celebrity of the moment andseems to be driven by sincere motives.


>>4467650I can see James Franco kicking over a chair after reading this.


>>4467650shia pls go

Anonymous 01/14/14(Tue)01:33 UTC No.4467734 Replies: >>4467762File: 1389663236527.gif-(674 KB, 245x180, lol picard riker.gif)

The whole fucking time I was reading this I couldn't stop laughingimagining Shia LaBeouf actually reading something this pretentious andtryhard out loud.

Can you imagine it, /lit/? Him looking exactly like >>4466568 (OP) andreading all of these words out loud, in front of an Oscar audience, as if he

actually meant it.

Personally I would literally pay $100 just to see it. I would be that one guy in the audience,rolling on the floor laughing, drooling on some bitch's high heels like an autistic retard, gettingdragged out by security and pointing at the stage while giggling all the while, still letting out littlechuckles in the police car as I repeat " Affect at its zenith is the unmediated experience ofdifference in ITSELF L O L" out loud and the cop tells me to stop fucking laughing or he'll tazeme.

It would be entirely worth it. Fuck my clean criminal record, take my money.

Fandroid !p6ktXMpsfc 01/14/14(Tue)01:39 UTC No.4467762 Replies: >>4467767 >>4467770

>>4467734Do you think you're clever, son?


>>4467762No? I just think that whole 'manifesto' is fucking hilarious and imagining Shia reading it out loudis making me wanna take a dump.


>>4467762Shia is that fucking you.


>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

I'm sorry but what the fuck is this?

Is he going to write about this or expand upon its principles, or is this super succinct, highlyesoteric 'manifesto' going to be it? Who the fuck writes a manifesto like this? I gained anunderstanding with what he is saying, but a manifesto should be reduced to much more simpleterms;; this raises a lot more questions than it does answers, which is really shitty. The point ofa long, arduous text should be to raise good questions, whereas the tiny layman-digestablemanifesto should be pretty self-explanatory. This moron did the total opposite and just publisheda bunch of esoteric nonsense.


>>44677882metamodernist4u


>>4467788Its just PR like his recent 'retirement' to draw attention away from his embarrassing plagiarizingscandals.


What a terrible, terrible name.

Who ever named this man should be in prison.


>>4467839his parents are deadbeat hippies who rely on him financially


Metamodernist Manifesto Revised

1. Things change.

2. Modernism and postmodernism are things that do not change.

3. Things happen because things change.

4. Some things cannot happen. We should believe they can happen, so that things will change.

5. ...

that's as far as I can get.

Anonymous 01/14/14(Tue)02:16 UTC No.4467909File: 1389665798722.gif-(816 KB, 200x144, 1388785563673.gif)

Wow that's a very florid way of sayingabsolutely fucking nothing.


>>4467899>"things happen because things change"

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

i sort of like that one

Anonymous 01/14/14(Tue)02:17 UTC No.4467917 Replies: >>4467925 >>4467939 >>4467948

Just as science strives for poetic elegance, artists might assume a quest for truth. Allinformation is grounds for knowledge, whether empirical or aphoristic, no matter its truth-value.We should embrace the scientific-poetic synthesis and informed naivety of a magical realism.Error breeds sense.What the fuck does this mean?


He did not write that manifesto by himself. Have you seen his comics?


>>4467917i don't actually know


>>4466919This. I wouldn't mind if he made an honest attempt at giving an apology to the people heplagiarized but he didn't.


>>4467917well, error does breed sense in one way.

if you think about it, scientists had to repeatedly test things like gravity and chemicalcompounds in all sorts of ways, doing it wrong many, many times until they at last did things"right" and were able to to make "sense" out of them that is not taught in science textbooks.Science is a matter of trial and error.

Many scientists strive to find a poetic way of describing the universe. Many writers andmoviemakers want to find the 'truth' or show it to the world somehow. The next line basicallymeans that, everything is knowable from "Water is 2 Hydrogen atoms and one Oxygen in amolecular bond" to "Canada is a constitutional monarchy" or "Gravity's Rainbow was publishedin 1973".

I guess he's just saying that there's not much difference between science and art, really, andthat we should embrace them both.

Just my interpretation.


>>4467917Just as science strays from the original purpose of itself, truth, in search of a sort of poeticelegance in its simplicity, art strays from its original purpose, poetic elegance, so that it mightfind truth. In this way, as poetic elegance seems to arise perpendicular to truth and truth arisesperpendicular to poetry, the two are interchangeable. Therefore all information is grounds forknowledge.

Or something.


>>4467939is that even really a point worth making though?

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

especially in such an awkward and convoluted way?

"art and science are both good" like, who even believes the opposite of this?


>>4467949that's why this whole thing is so funny to read.

he's not saying anything, really.


>>4467939>>4467948Didn't the cunt betray his own thinking. He could have stated that simplistically.


bad.


wow reading all of the shenanigans la beef has been getting into regarded plagiarism just makesit seem like he's having a giggle with this crap.

the man is an artist, surely. just not the kind that he purports to be.


sounds like he's been reading zizek.

"Far from signaling its demise, these emergent networks facilitate the democratization ofhistory, illuminating the forking paths along which its grand narratives may navigate the here andnow."

etc.


>>4467969he's probably sitting at home laughing at this very thread over a glass of wine, dressed in abathrobe while some dumb slut sucks his knob, occasionally taking her mouth off of hismember to ask him, "what's so funny?"


>>4466568 (OP)>Movement shall henceforth be enabled by way of an oscillation between positions, withdiametrically opposed ideas operating like the pulsating polarities of a colossal electric machine,propelling the world into action. So basically a return to Hegel?


All things are caught within the irrevocable slide towards a state of maximum entropicdissemblance. Artistic creation is contingent upon the origination or revelation of differencetherein. Affect at its zenith is the unmediated experience of difference in itself. It must be art’srole to explore the promise of its own paradoxical ambition by coaxing excess towards

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

presence.

the hell does that mean?


>>4467985use your noggin a little, why don't you


>>4467995you explained for the other guy


>>4467973>>4467982ThisSounds a lot like his critique of post-modernity sometimes ("we abandoned big revolutionaryprojects and went into this cynicall, allegedly post-ideological era. But then we lose the chanceto go and 'fail better' each time and so on and so on")>unhindered by ideological anchorage. This is the only thing that worries me. If they are really going to do that, then it will just turn intoanother perpetrator of the dominant liberal ideology

Anonymous 01/14/14(Tue)02:54 UTC No.4468037 Replies: >>4468044File: 1389668093662.jpg-(2 KB, 125x125, ...jpg)

>>4468011oh fine if you insist, but this is the last time i play english teacher

Entropy is one of those scientific properties in which all systems areinherently said to be naturally going towards: everything slowly tends tobecome disorderly, at least according to the laws of thermodynamics;; thusall things are caught 'within the irrevocable slide'. I'm supposing that hemeans that within all things slowly making less and less sense, many

artists find inspiration therein to create art, be it something tragic occuring in their lives, a breakup, their observation of events in the world around them;; all could be viewed in some way as theworld becoming more disorderly from their perspective: ie. gaining entropy. The third sentence ishighly redundant in my opinion, it states that the very definition or apex of change/affect itself isthe experience of things becoming different;; this can be associated with how art changes itsreader's point of view, thus making it different: causing it to gain entropy in one perspective.Thus he states that art must bring to mind to the observer changes and excess itself.

There you go, now stop asking me to explain things and get a dictionary.

If you haven't realized by now that virtually every single statement in this manifesto is astatement that is in some way either speaking about the manifesto or the statement itself (thusmaking it 'meta' in some way), then I have no words for you. Clearly the obviousness ofmetamodernism is past your head, sadly.


>>4468037i still didn't understand it, you're too smart fo rme

Anonymous 01/14/14(Tue)03:00 UTC No.4468051 Replies: >>4468055File: 1389668404589.jpg-(31 KB, 400x600, ride screaming.jpg)

>>4468044

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

for fuck's sake man i'm a 22 year old uni drop out who listens to death grips, i'mnot smarter than you

go outside and have sex or something and stop thinking about some attentionstarved actors sad attempts to prove himself intellectually relevant in a life wherehe's already proved himself relevant in every other means.


>>4468051how will going outside make me better at philosophy

Anonymous 01/14/14(Tue)03:02 UTC No.4468059File: 1389668522061.png-(99 KB, 220x333, discourse on the dick.png)

>>4468055because all the great philosophers got their dickwet, that's how


>>4467985it probably doesn't mean anything but we can try to dissect it a little just for shits

>All things are caught within the irrevocable slide towards a state of maximum entropicdissemblance.seems like a comment on heat death, but might be meant more as a statement about the futilityof life given knowledge of death.

>Artistic creation is contingent upon the origination or revelation of difference therein.related to the idea of people moving along the downward trend towards zero entropy (death).maybe the difference of entropy from one point to the next and the inherent change inperspective it brings is what brings art into being. individuals at different points in their livestrying to communicate things to other individuals at other points in their lives. seems like anobvious thing to say.

>Affect at its zenith is the unmediated experience of difference in itself.'affect' in the sense of 'affecting', i.e. putting on an act. might be a statement about la beef'sprofessional career as an actor, playing characters at points in their lives different or comparableto his own.

>It must be art’s role to explore the promise of its own paradoxical ambition by coaxing excesstowards presence.but this affect, be it in theatre, literature, or the visual arts, is ultimately a lie, which is why it'sparadoxical that it seems so genuine at times? but maybe we're supposed to forget about that.don't know about the coaxing bit.

my unironic two cents


loling at the bottom where he has to say that he just copy-pasted this from someone else'swork.


>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>4468055

>how will going outside make me better at philosophy

rousseau_grin.png


>2014>not oscillating


>>4468152oh wait I get it now

it's about string theory

Anonymous 01/14/14(Tue)03:48 UTC No.4468234 Replies: >>4468255File: 1389671291984.jpg-(52 KB, 553x484, shia-labeouf.jpg)

>>4467770I fucking told you it was him!See:>>4467018Also his humor in calling himself agenius:>>4466613

Im starting to think shia is pulling our leg here.


>>4468234[Shia LaBeouf intensifies]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2FMSnl8qOY [Embed]


>>4466613For recycling Hegel?


>>4468269How did he recycle Hegel?


E unum, pluribus: from one, many.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOwyZGCZ4gs [Embed]

This is like a DFW satire.Speaking of all this idiocy.


>>4466568 (OP)https://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/orwell46.htm

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>


>>4467802

>his embarrassing plagiarizing scandals.

It's not embarrassing, it's hilarious. This nigga writes e-mails to Alec Baldwin consisting of carefully

arranged copy pastes from Enquire articles. He responds to accusations of plagiarism with stolen

years old Yahoo Answers posts. He makes million with shit movies and then stops shaving and

writers extremely obscurantist manifestos. He's the Cajun Jew Tristan Tzara of keks.

Anonymous 01/14/14(Tue)08:01 UTC No.4468877File: 1389686497550.jpg-(801 KB, 1600x1600, Laibach_sah za stiri_phot(...).jpg)

>>4468378

Laibach is like the Simpsons: always spot

on


>>4466727

this anon knows what's up


>>4468905

>Plagiarize someone elses work by buying up their manifesto and publishing it under your own

name while getting rich trhough acting in multi-million dollar hollywood mainstream blockbusters

Could you become more jewish?


>>4466656

>everything is oscillation

>not scientifically true


>>4469189

>science

no one gives a fuck, nerd

Feminister !!F9QVQ82MjmE 01/14/14(Tue)17:38 UTC No.4469685 Replies: >>4470092

That's the most uninspired movement manifesto I've ever read. Furthermore, is metamodernism

supposed to be a movement within the postmodern paradigm, or is it supposed to be post-

postmodern? because I seriously doubt Mr. Boof knows both modernism and postmodernism

well enough to understand what it would mean to transcend them.

This

>The essential incompleteness of a system should necessitate an adherence,

Durr

It makes no sense at all. If you want to necessitate adherence to an incomplete system, it

would be in spite of it being incomplete, not because of it;; unless being retarded is actually a

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

thing now, in which case consider my comprehension transcended.


Does anyone else like to be optimistic and think that his entire spectacle of plagiarizing acts is

a commentary on the nature of the fact that inspiration is just masked plagiarizing?


>>4469713

that is sort of what he's going for, in as many words.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/01/02/authorship-is-censorship-bleeding-cool-in-conversation-

with-shia-labeouf/

but he's being a total retard about it, which leads me to believe that his whole "all art is

plagiarism" thing is just a pretentious cop-out.

Feminister !!F9QVQ82MjmE 01/14/14(Tue)17:58 UTC No.4469731

>>4469713

I think Barthes did a better job of saying it. Furthermore, once the message is said, it belongs to

the purveyors of said message, and if it can't stand up without an artificial crutch that must be

introduced like, "I meant to do that!" then it's crap.


>>4469726

>An updated notion of genius would have to center around ones mastery of information

That strangely resonates with me.

I completely agree with you on how he is handling it;; if the apologizes were ironic and or

offensive I could see that they rooted in his mockery, but he seems to be genuinely sorry which

makes me think its as you said, a pretentious cop-out.


>>4467899

The point was actually that things don't truly change and that they will come back and repeat.

That creative ideas are not infinite and artists should stop pretending they are. New art is about

choosing what and when to plagiarize.

Basically he fucked up and instead of moving on he's trying to start a plagiarism movement.

I sort of agree with some of what he says, but I'm feeling that he's just a lazy ass that wants his

mistake to be accepted.


>>4469742

Excepted that's like saying, "An updated notion of someone who thinks outside the box would

have to 'center around' expertise of its interior." Rather than breaking and offering something

fresh, he's just reiterating the common perception, which is an exercise in immanence.

He wants to pull some dada shit, except not really;; he wants to be an artist, whereas the dadaist

didn't give two fucks about that title and even consciously rejected it.


>>4469767

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

Yeah, and if that's as deep as he goes, then he's the most unoriginal of all, since that idea has

been expressed in far more interesting and profound ways. He doesn't develop the idea, he just

thinks it;; that's a two-second process.


>>4469769

>reiterating the common perception

I understood the notion you're going for here, but I'd care to disagree. We live in a society of

extreme individuality, so far that in all fields its overwhelmingly more efficient to be specialized

rather than broadly useful.

A 'da-vinci' man, for simpler terms, isn't something so highly sought after, not nearly as much as

it is respected.

I feel like SL is trying to find himself, but made the mistake of launching himself publically

before he was finished.


>>4469814

A da Vinci man isn't respected;; a bourgeois gentleman or a Modern Major General is. A modern

da Vinciman is a guy who can fix cars and plumbing, who has the cure for a hangover, who

knows what a fair price and quality for weed is, who can freestyle rap, who can show you how to

spit game, who can fight, who knows how to handle dogs, ect.

I think he launched himself before even starting, really.


>X-modernism

into the trash it goes


File: 1389725559468.png-(28 KB, 934x307, LeGoofed.png)

He has no clue.


>>4469855

Snobs who reject postmodernism today as bloobloo are fairly similar to those who rejected

modernism back in the day for the same reason.


>>4469849

>4469849

Well, to be fair, I ignore his childhood and teenage life because it was largely out of his hands. A

child actor can either sink or try and find more.


>>4469861

can i haz trendy 2 guize?


File: 1389725914303.jpg-(30 KB, 331x250, 1375778178944.jpg)

>>4466643

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

This entire conversation is some seriously nonsensical shit. Theyre bothjust...what the fuck.

Its like absurd theater or something. These two guys are so passionateabout what they are talking about, but its just nervous posturing andpassive boiling up anger. Like when someone gets called out for beingpoor, and they start talking about all this shit they own, and then calls out

the other person for being poor, and then they also start talking about all this shit they own.

And you know both of them are poor as shit.


>>4469871Oh, I thought you were talking about this whole artist schtick apart from acting.

Yeah, I dunno, he might end up doing some good shit in cinema.


>>4469875Not sure if that's an apt analogy.


>>4469877I was talking about the artist schtick. It's hard to separate the two. It's an easy enough situationto imagine, and I knew it from when I first read years ago that Shia sold his own comics atobscure little cons.

What I am saying, is that it would be hard enough for him to be suddenly taken seriously if hedecided to try and go the route of an artist, but after this debacle it doesn't seem like he hasmuch hopes.

He's either a genius, or a maniac, and history shows those two are sometimes intertwined.However, genius is often defined by history, and elevated to heights due to posturing andwealth.


Post-sincerity bullshit.


>>4466652or just take the time to unpack it if you're slow on the uptake like me


ew, this is just meta-sincerity in disguise.

Anonymous 01/14/14(Tue)19:09 UTC No.4469901 Replies: >>4469943File: 1389726557128.jpg-(83 KB, 640x480, 1376380821984.jpg)

>>4469878Made I should have put in there also, that I dont hold having lots of moneyas a virtue.

You understand what im getting at though right? Just think of somethingyou dont hold highly valuable, something that seems silly, and then two

people are arguing furiously over it, and outright lying in order to keep some sort of upper hand

>>

>>

>>

>>

in this niche community.

Like a gamer saying they have a higher score, and everyone in the arcade is making fun of him,

so he just starts spewing all of these lies about why the game doesnt show his high score, and

how he could do it again if he wanted to, or how he has other high scores in other games, and

then he calls out someone else, and they do the same thing.

Youre just looking at these two sad mother fuckers lie to themselves to save this image of

themselves that they have, and this image that they idealize is something so petty.


Can anyone tell me if this is a good enough summarization?

Post-modernism has led to a society of skeptics filling the roles of the artist, leading to large

amounts of self-aware, posturing, and masturbatory parodies that are largely inefficient of having

any sway over the society at large.

I also think he's trying to pull a Huxley by saying that culture and society are just walking

fabrications of highly condensed information lacking it's own self-awareness to dictate what it

wants.


>>4469885

Alright, yes, acting is a form of art. However you can be a crappy actor yet a helluvan artist in

other respects.

If he considers himself in the tradition of dadaism and whatnot, then I think that hoping to be

taken seriously is counterproductive to the point of his expression.

I don't think he's really a genius *or* a maniac. He's not doing anything new, even if that itself is

his point, and his manifesto is garbage unless it's satire, in which case it's still not that good.


>>4469915

Is this not Poe's law in work though? At what level is sincerity present?

This is like years of what has tumblr has produced in meaning, in just a matter of days.

At what point can you amass so much bullshit, that people start thinking theres value in

collecting bullshit?

I think you're misunderstanding me again by saying it's hard to separate the two;; I mean in the

eyes of the media and culture. SL could paint the Mona Lisa (plagiarism joke) but could people

take it seriously after Even Stevens?


>>4469901

I understand what you're saying, but something that's valuable to someone without much is very

valuable specifically because it belongs to someone who doesn't have much.

It's not really so much that their conversation is embarrassing: that seems like some regular-tier

convo for people who think they're interesting. It's just that that sort of conversation does not

merit publication. Sort of like, if I go on and on about the will to power with someone, that might

make okay conversation for people who think they're interesting, but it's 99.99% likely to bring

absolutely nothing to the table of someone who's read about that sort of thing already. In a way

it's not bad, because perhaps most of the people who read these sorts of articles aren't

intimately familiar with the Western tradition;; but to someone who is, it just looks like baby's first

idea;; maybe that's a bit pretentious of me, but I think it's valid when Boof is doing shit like

writing a freaking movement manifesto.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

Fandroid !p6ktXMpsfc 01/14/14(Tue)19:23 UTC No.4469944 Replies: >>4469950

>>4469909There's such thing as post-modernism, all of that happened in the late 20th century.

Anonymous 01/14/14(Tue)19:24 UTC No.4469950 Replies: >>4469979File: 1389727484490.png-(411 KB, 650x571, 1387568876025.png)

>>4469944Please explain to me so that I maylearn.

Feminister !!F9QVQ82MjmE 01/14/14(Tue)19:31 UTC No.4469972 Replies: >>4469993 >>4470004

>>4469909Could you provide some examples of postmodern art to illustrate your point with?

>>4469933All art ought to be sincere, even when it's not serious. The Devil's Dictionary is extremelysincere.

Tumblr has not written a manifesto. A movement manifesto is a declaration of war.

Well that's sort of what modernism was a backlash in response to.

By people, do you mean by the intelligentsia? do you mean the bourgeoisie? or do you meancommon consumers?


>>4469950Postmodern literature started with the beatnik movement;; think Naked Lunch.

Postmodern art: Jackson Pollock is a good example.

« » !Ry9.Zir1EM 01/14/14(Tue)19:34 UTC No.4469985 Replies: >>4470013

>>4469979

HELLO.

WHAT IS YOUR "MBTI" TYPE.


>>4469972I'm trying to learn here more than assert. I'm afraid my assumption is entirely based off ofpreconceived notions. I've yet to explore any post WWII writings, but I've read Catch-22, andimagine that the parodying nature of that is something that is almost ingrained in our societynowadays.

I agree with you that all art ought to be sincere, but if it's layered levels of meaning, at somepoint you reach the sincerity the artist wishes to present;; the hard part is knowing if it's allconstrued to be deeper than it is.


>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>4469972

why exactly should all art be sincere?


>>4469985

<_<

>>4469993

90% of conception of postmodernism is based off of preconceived notions. It's like vaguely

hearing about someone and then constructing an elaborate idea of them. Postmodernism is

generally preconceived as a rejection of intelligence and purpose.

Nononononono. Creating art is about the artist's sincerity;; perceiving art is about the perceiver's

sincerity. What the artist wishes to present is irrelevant, since art revels in ambiguity as

opposed to, say, science.


>>4470004

Because if it isn't, then it's not really art, it's just labor.


>>4470013

I believe in the death of the author as much as the next person, but I suffer from cognitive

dissonance;; I wish to evaluate what I derive as the meaning or what was put in effort to achieve

as meaning, because without that knowledge I feel as if I cannot bette rmyself.

If that is what Post-modernism is preconcieved as, what is it truly, in all facets? Can I be

recommended some Post-modern literature?


>>4470015

what about art created by accident?

i dont think you are oscillating!


>>4470024

Art created by accident could still be sincere, just after the fact.

Feminister !!F9QVQ82MjmE 01/14/14(Tue)19:53 UTC No.4470033 Replies: >>4470041 >>4470047

>>4470020

Okay, well those are your experiences. The experience of creation, the experience of

perception. You can enjoy the perception however you wish, you're perceiving.

Postmodernism is an effort to transcend modernism. It's hard to compare social theory to

poetry, but to give some overreaching ideas: skepticism of metanarratives (science included);;

skepticism of identity;; multiculturalism;; drugs;; personally transcending power;; rejection of

materialism.

Postmodern literature: like I just said, Naked Lunch, by William S. Burroughs. Great postmodern

work.


>>4470024

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

Accidents can be highly sincere. If I run over a child, there's nothing insincere about that.


its funny he is not mentioned on the wikipedia page

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metamodernism

which is much easier to understand than that lofty manifesto


>>4470033

Thanks!


File: 1389729568644.jpg-(27 KB, 350x349, image.jpg)

>>4470033

>metanarratives (science included);; skepticism of identity;;

multiculturalism;; drugs;; personally transcending power;; rejection of

materialism.

tfw I'm postmodernity embodied.


>>4470041

Sure. Just don't try too hard to analyze it the first time. Free yourself of all inclination to judge or

dissect. Forget who you are and why you're read it, and just read it.

>>4470047

Nigga you just went full Foucault


>>4469685

Wikipedia said that meta modernism is like a response to both postmodernism and modernism -

that's perhaps what Luke turner was getting at with his whole 'oscillating' mumbo jumbo.


>>4466914

>No one knew what this comic was before he plagiarized it.

No, Clowes is well established in his genre.

what's worse is that he plagiarized his APOLOGY from Yahoo Answers


>>4470095

>what's worse

that was genius though


>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

Shia's recitation of his manifesto

http://youtu.be/mbxI_qVlHbc [Embed]


How to I be metamodernist without getting 'sued'?


>>4470144

its the old dj trick

if you can reuse something without someone knowing exactly where it came from whilst still

inspiring nostalgia you win


>>4470165

idk shia is getting sued for his shenanigans now by cloudface and whale press and j.k. rowling

doesn't even like people publishing fan fiction of her shit (she loves to sue)

metamodernism won't be as fun if you can't 'reappropriate' new and old equally


>>4470144

Well it depends really, I don't think anyone can get you on 1% or is it 10%, whats the plagiarism

rule?

I am a musician not a writer so I guess it is a little different. I find it really helpful, I use samples

to bridge gaps in my music where i cant create the sound I want with the tools/skills i have.

I just sample from a wide array of sources, blend a few things together and use modern effects

to change it.

I have been starting with original premise... my own songs but lately i have started started some

bootleg/remixes that I just cant help but do, i will probably give them up for free under a different

alias.


>>4466878

>>4466869

imagine trying to argue your point using memes.


>>4466914

>No one knew what this comic was before he plagiarized it.

fucking kill yourself holy shit


>>4470092

Metamoderism claims to be that, but what it really is, is "too postmodern to be modern, to

modern to be postmodern," which is frankly a bit silly.

>>4470144

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

Tell him authorship is censorship. Or, to quote Barthes, "Language is fascism."


>>4466734good lord. I wish I made this video.

Anonymous 01/15/14(Wed)00:26 UTC No.4470682

this thread is now my next novel.

available from all good metaphysical bookstores near the ineffable last spring

Anonymous 01/15/14(Wed)00:27 UTC No.4470684File: 1389745624542.jpg-(62 KB, 500x500, 1388804388307.jpg)

>>4466568 (OP)>confirmed for shai labeouf


>>446673410/10

lehopeinhumanityrecovered.jpg

Anonymous 01/15/14(Wed)04:03 UTC No.4471415 Replies: >>4471430

>>4470370

it is not silly because it is aware that it is silly because it is both and neither. it rejectspostmodernism by going back to modernism in a way that is not simply a repeat of it, thenrejects modernism by saying postmodernism had sum good points yo, and we too far deepanyway.

the meta in metamodernism is also not from the same meta one uses with metaphysics or"that's so meta" but metaxy from Plato's Symposium:

Metaxy (Greek: μεταξύ) or metaxu is defined in Plato's Symposium via the character of thepriestess Diotima as the "in-between" or "middle ground". Diotima, tutoring Socrates, uses theterm to show how oral tradition can be perceived by different people in different ways. In thepoem by Socrates she depicts Eros as not an extreme or purity;; rather, as a daimon Eros is in-between the divine Gods and mankind. Diotima thus exposes the flaws of oral tradition;; it usesstrong contrasts to express truth, thus revealing vulnerability to sophistry. This portion of thedialogue points to the idea that reality is perceptible only through one's character (which includesone's desires and prejudices and one's limited understanding of logic). Man moves through theworld of Becoming, the ever changing world of sensory perception, into the world of Being—theworld of forms, absolutes and transcendence. Man transcends his place in Becoming by eros,where man reaches the Highest Good, an intuitive and mystical state of consciousness.Neoplatonists like Plotinus later used the concept to express an ontological placement of Manbetween the Gods and animals.[1] Much like Diotima did in expressing that Eros as daemonwas in-between the Gods and mankind. Love (Ἔρως Eros) as the thing in between or child ofPoverty (Πενία Penia) and Possession (Πόρος Poros).

in thinking about the word through a metalens, however, the meta also stands out and applies tothe definition as well. in essence, the word itself is a true splinter of its purpose as a word, notjust a linguistic gesture.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

finally, labeouf did not write this.

http://www.luketurner.com/post-internet.html

i nearly didnt post this

Feminister !!F9QVQ82MjmE 01/15/14(Wed)04:11 UTC No.4471430 Replies: >>4471465

>>4471415Which really doesn't make sense. Let's keep materialism, but reject materialism? Let's havenear limit-experiences?

Anonymous 01/15/14(Wed)04:25 UTC No.4471465 Replies: >>4471468 >>4471587

>>4471430

It makes perfect sense.

>Let's keep materialism, but reject materialism?

Let's mind our biases, but let's not let our biases paralyze us.

Applying this to day to day living:

Anxiety is crippling, but it also gives us a heightened awareness.


>>4471465

let's not let minding our biases paralyze us, rather.


>>4466568 (OP)

Is it just me, or does it seem like he's not actually saying anything?

Seems to me like a desperate attempt to claim the next hip "-ism" for himself.

You don't have to read this thing twice to realize that it's author is about as deep as a drainageditch.


>>4471496

it's just you and anyone made uncomfortable by not being able to parse it

the writing is heavily embellished, but that's part of the point.


>>4471501

I "parsed" it fine, the whole thing is gibberish.

He doesn't put forward any points, or advocate any course of action except doing what humanshave always done.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

He meanders from one big word to the next like a typical pseudo-intellectual.


>>4471505

you're incorrect.

also, pseudo-intellectual is a comfort word. like ice cream is comfort food.

i do commend your self-soothing mechanism, however, i can tell you're very good at

generalizing. it's a good skill to have.


>>4471496

keep in mind this was not actually written by Shia, but an artist. he just copy pasted basically

Fandroid !p6ktXMpsfc 01/15/14(Wed)04:59 UTC No.4471555

>>4471505

you are so obsessed in your one-upping of intellectualism that you didn't realize he didn't even

write thr manifesto. He plagiarized it. You attack the manifesto only because of labeouf.


i do not like this writing style. it really just annoys me


>>4471465

This doesn't really seem like enough to make a movement out of. A movement is comprised of

definitive works of literature, art, social theory, philosophy, music, poetry, and so on. A bunch of

aphorisms are only meaningful when composed into a manifesto, and you're writing that fucking

manifesto then you better be churning out a lot of follow up.


>>4471534

>pseudo-intellectual is a comfort word. like ice cream is comfort food

100% agree with this. Nonetheless, the manifesto is rather uninspired. As I have said before, a

manifesto for a new movement is a declaration of war;; this shit is underwhelming.


Philosophy has been nothing but bluster and hollow bombast since 1900.

I miss Nietzsche


a website with some big words isn't going to create a movement, i don't think

some real bravery might


>>4471612

You miss the point of Nietzsche too, apparently.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>


>>4471621

shut the fuck up, tripfag scum

added to my filter

die in a fire

Anonymous 01/15/14(Wed)05:27 UTC No.4471648 Replies: >>4471752 >>4471755 >>4471805

>>4471587

give it some time, the present is a disparate fog.

>>4471606

the first time i read this was as a declaration of war, overwhelmingly and euphorically so. then

again i was young and naive and i still am


So did Shia LaBeouf actually write this manifesto and put it up seriously or is this some sort of

joke about his plagarism by him or someone else?


>>4471653

if you read the thread you would realize nobody fucking knows. stop asking dumb questions.


>>4471674

>Nobody knows so its a dumb question

That statement would usually just get a grin from me but given the context it got a full laugh.


>>4471648

I think you're confusing the present with the contents of your brain LaBeouf.

PS: You should have thought of a more creative place to post this than 4chan.


>>4471648

>a disparate fog.

Read: I want to start a movement but I'm an empty vessel.

Anonymous 01/15/14(Wed)06:45 UTC No.4471792 Replies: >>4471797 >>4471868 >>4471926

>>4466568 (OP)

So the movement is to transcend dualities as a whole in every facet of life? Sounds like

hipsterized taoism


>>

>>

>>

>>

>>4471792

Either he's asking us to pursue a form of mysticism by not changing a single one of our existinghabits, or he doesn't have the slightest clue what he's talking about.

I'm going to go with the latter.

Feminister !!F9QVQ82MjmE 01/15/14(Wed)06:54 UTC No.4471805 Replies: >>4471809 >>4471868

>>4471648Movements are not about "slow and steady". When they declare themselves, they are supposedto be lighting, thunderclaps. A movement that isn't radically different, is pointless. If it doesn'tshock and horrify the bourgeoisie, then who gives a fuck?


>>4471805

This. Unless things are moving it is not a movement, and no, the effort required to click hismouse and post this inane screed does not count.

Anonymous 01/15/14(Wed)07:45 UTC No.4471868 Replies: >>4471929 >>4471951 >>4472238File: 1389771943353.jpg-(22 KB, 300x300, muhgiftedironistsandanton(...).jpg)

>>4471752>>4471755>>4471792>>4471797>>4471805>>4471809

i can always tell a producer from a consumer, a shaper from a builder.

ironically, you are all engendering what you are saying is absent.

for the postmodernists think they've won, all has been negated they say, and they can toss theirpowerwords and powerthoughts forth and decimate their foes.

but the storm is brewing, and they will not have their warning bang, only the fading whimper thatcomes with the last bit of awareness creeping into them.

knowledge over a thing does not necessarily give you power to escape it, btw.

you are the bourgeoisie being shocked -- shocking idea, right?

the lumpenproles are rising. they are becoming aware. they are beginning to demand. and theyhave many worlds of their own.

they're realizing they have no need to shake yours.


>>4471638+1

Your constant condescending know it all bullshit is highly irritating tripfaggot my god, mostly,pretentiousness on lit is delivered with a blunted edge of off hand humor, you have the subtletyof a hippo waddling down a street.

Your problems is you want to be spoon fed and you are impatient.

http://www.metamodernism.com/2013/12/18/levitated-mass/

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

how are you not all over this shit?

have you not even seen fantastic mr fox? that shit was 09 and boss as fuck


>>4466748

Actually yes. There's a correlation between high(er) education and reading/watching the news.

And there's a correlation between consuming lots of news and thinking that the world is worse

than it really is.

Ergo: If someone thinks that 1 y/os i Brazil runs brothels, it's an educated person.


>>4471792

Taoism isn't clear in that it might be advocating like the Hindus where it seeks to unify the

subject-object duality (et al) with a single taste, but the duality itself still persists, again just

wholly unified and showing a single-taste.

This is to be contrasted with lets say Ati Dzogpa Chenpo, which advocates the total

abandonment and dissolution of even the "pure" duality, unified by a single-taste. Thus a much

more thorough transcendence of the dualities.

This "movement" seems to be more likely in line with the former.


>>4471868

oh dear, lel

Feminister !!F9QVQ82MjmE 01/15/14(Wed)09:08 UTC No.4471951

>>4471868

>the lumpenproles are rising. they are becoming aware. they are beginning to demand. and they

have many worlds of their own.

No, they aren't. They're demanding less. Zimmerman's acquittal would have caused a riot twenty

years ago.


>>4466740

>>4466748

>>4466766

"What we become depends on what we read after all of the professors have finished with us.

The greatest university of all is a collection of books."

>>4470032

>>4470024

Art without order and intent is not art.


>>4472058

>Art without order and intent is not art.

you are allowing your oscillation level to drop way too low i am oscillating circles around you

right now

step it up dis aint no game

>>

>>

>>

>>

[308 replies] [26 images] [Page 8]

[Settings] [Rules] [FAQ] [Feedback] [Status] [Home]

Style Yotsuba BDelete Post [ File Only] Password ••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••••• Delete Report


>>4466731This comic was the first thing that popped into my mind while reading this shit.

Feminister !!F9QVQ82MjmE 01/15/14(Wed)11:37 UTC No.4472146

>>4472058>"What we become depends on what we read after all of the professors have finished with us.The greatest university of all is a collection of books."Nigga how the fuck you supposed to do shit like chemistry?

>Art without order and intent is not art.Spontaneous expression is art.


shia didn't even write this, he plagiarized it

the content of the manifesto is not the point;; the point is to plagiarize more and more and morein an effort to continually troll everyone

and in that, the man is a genie


>>4471868if metamodernism is such a productive movement why is it that the only thing it's produced is amovement as worthless as metamodernism


[Return] [Catalog] [Top] [Update] [ Auto]

[a / b / c / d / e / f / g / gif / h / hr / k / m / o / p / r / s / t / u / v / vg / vr / w / wg] [i / ic] [r9k] [s4s] [cm / hm / lgbt / y] [3 /adv / an / asp / cgl / ck / co / diy / fa / fit / gd / hc / int / jp / lit / mlp / mu / n / out / po / pol / sci / soc / sp / tg / toy / trv /tv / vp / wsg / x] [rs] [@]

- futaba + yotsuba -All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective parties. Images uploaded are the responsibility of the Poster.

Comments are owned by the Poster.

Change your settings

lit/ - - luke turnerluketurner.com/manifesto-4chan.pdf · >>4466628 all of them had...

Documents