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JAMES VAN PRAAGH SEPTEMBER 6, 2011

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Healing With the Masters: Volume VIII of 33 James Van Praagh September 6, 2011 Copyright 2011, all rights reserved Jennifer McLean | Healing with the Masters | www.McLeanMasterWorks.com

Host Volume VIII | September 6, 2011 Guest

Jennifer McLean HEALINGWITHTHEMASTERS.COM James Van Praagh

Jennifer: Yeah, there’s lots of energy out tonight. There’s a lot of excitement about us starting. James: Yeah, yeah, okay. I thought this 15 minutes ago myself that certainly — Jennifer: So I’m going to ask — James: — that surely — Jennifer: — isn’t that something? So I’m going to go ahead and — I’m going to go ahead and ask my

producer. Oops, it looks like it worked. So welcome everyone to Healing with the Masters. We are so delighted to have you here at the launch of Volume VIII. So “masters,” you know, the word means so much, but while we may think of the masters as the wonderful guests that share their knowledge and experiences with us each week. I actually consider you to be the master, you, this audience, you, the participants. No one knows better than you, and no one is more uniquely qualified to transform your life than you.

Today, we will together discover the tools and techniques to heal, to continue to shift your life into love and light, and in the process truly make a difference on this planet. Together, we are a powerful community. You matter; you can light up the world. And we are honored tonight to welcome James Van Praagh. James is a, quote, “survival evidence medium,” meaning that he is able to bridge the gap between two planes of existence — that of the living and that of the dead — by providing evidential proof of life after death via detailed messages. His very natural, easygoing style would lead you to believe that Van Praagh — James — is chatting with a friend on the telephone, not communicating messages from the grave. James is clairsentient, which means clear‐feeling, and he feels emotions and personalities of the deceased. He is also clairvoyant, meaning that many times he will actually see the spirit of the solid form and will describe their physical traits. James Van Praagh is a celebrity in his own right. It began in the early nineties on the NBC morning talk show, The Other Side. The show concentrated on paranormal issues and James became a favorite guest and resident expert on the subject of life after death. In 2002, James began an ongoing relationship with the CBS network and produced an incredibly successful miniseries, Talking to Heaven, inspired by his first book. This miniseries starred Ted Danson and Mary Steenburgen, and in fact, you folks will be able to own this at the end of the show. It was a very successful — it was probably — it was the most‐highest rating show for CBC over a two‐year span.



In 2004, his second successful CBC project — CBS project — that’s Canadian, CBS is American, aired, entitled The Dead will Tell staring Anne Heche and Eva Longoria. He’s been on Oprah, Larry King, 20/20, 48 Hours, and Biography, and is also the co‐executive producer of the CBS primetime show, Ghost Whisperer, which conceptually is based in part on this experiences. We are so honored to have James with us to start Volume VIII of Healing with the Masters. Welcome, James.

James: Oh, thank you very, very much. I really appreciate you having me and sharing me with your audience, and lovely to be in your energy.

Jennifer: Oh, thank you so much. There is so — I’ve been — we read a couple of your books. We read

your most recent book about children and we read the book that you wrote last year. And there’s so much I want to cover with you.

James: Unfinished business, yeah. Jennifer: Yeah, Unfinished Business, thank you so much. I didn’t have it handy in front of me. James: Yeah, sure. Jennifer: And so I’d love to hear a little bit about your story about how you got started with all this and

how it kind of — how speaking with the dead and having that level of intuition and listening to that intuition has actually changed your life.

James: Well, right — well, you know, the thing you mentioned earlier about that movie with Ted

Danson, Talking to Heaven, or they also call it Living with the Dead, is really my bio pic. It’s a bio pic of me of how I really got started as a child and it’s very, very true, because I wrote that with the actual writer of the show — of that movie. And it depicts me as a child. And when I was a little kid, I used to have all of these visions, if you will, and I would see lights around people, and I’d see colors around them, and that was the aura of course.

And just like the movie, The Sixth Sense, that really was my childhood, except my visions were all very positive ones, not negative ones, and I would also know things about people when they walked into a room. And as a child, I used to — I said every child can see things, I thought every kid could see these things, so as a child you measure your world around you by your five senses, or as I say, six senses, and kids are very open. And it wasn’t until I asked my mother who the people were at the end of the bed when we were kneeling down saying our prayers, and she said, oh, those God’s angels, and they’ll always take care of you, they’ll always take care of you. She said I used to see them when I was a little girl too. So this is the age, about six or seven when I asked her that question, and really since then, I mean, I’ve always seen spirits. And probably my teenage years, I didn’t really pay attention to it, or I closed it down unknowingly, and then in my early twenties, when I went to see a medium from England — I went not knowing what a medium was — a friend of mind kind of dragged me to this man’s apartment, and he said to me, he goes, oh, you’re a medium. And I said what is that. He said it’s someone who communicates with the spiritual realms. And I really didn’t believe him,


because I’ve always been kind of a skeptical type of person, or critical mind, you know, critical thinking. I thought wait, what are you talking about, this is new to me, I didn’t really know anything about it. And he reminded me of the experiences that I had when I was a child.

I had brought some information from my family who passed over, things that nobody would

know about, details no one would know about, and this man made a prediction. He said in two years’ time, the spirit world is going to use you. And you’re going to be known as a medium around the world, and you’re going to help change the consciousness of this planet, which is a pretty big thing to say. And I just sat there dumbfounded and said I just moved to California to be a sitcom writer. I didn’t see there was a medium. I don’t know what you’re talking about.

And then what happened was I was just so fascinated with what this man said to me, about

things that people passed over, details that no one knew about, and things about myself that nobody knew about, that I started to read every book I could find on life after death, and psychic phenomena, near‐death experiences, and I started meditating. And I just started meditating to really just relax myself and to center myself, nothing really as a spiritual goal per se, but just to really relax myself. And that’s — I started doing that, not formally by the way, just — I knew it involved breathing, I knew it involved some kind of visualization of like seeing a flower in my mind’s eye, and that’s how I really did it, very raw. And probably within, I would say two to three months, I started seeing lights around people and colors, as I did as a child. And it got stronger and stronger the more I meditated.

And then what happened was I was working at a job and this girl — my co‐partner — my co‐

worker came in and went to her cubicle at the end of lunch, and I saw a lady sitting next to her, and it was a grandmother. And I knew it was a grandmother. There was an overwhelming feeling of knowing this that I had. This lady looked right at me and she told me telepathically I am her grandmother; I lived in Idaho. You tell her I love her, I love her, and I’m here for her, and talk to her about the footstool cover. And I was completely floored. I didn’t know what — I thought I was going crazy. But I knew I had to tell this girl this information, and I did. I relayed it to her. And she said that’s my grandmother, she lived in the state of Idaho, I used to visit her every summer, and the last thing we did together was she taught me how to do needlepoint, and we made a footstool cover together. And she promised me if she could ever come back after she died to say hello, she would do that. And that was, I think, 30 years ago now. That was exactly 30 years ago, and that’s when it all started. And I quit that job, because I knew then that I could never look at life the same. There’s no way I could look at the world the same way, because I’ve seen spirits.

So I called up that man. I ran — literally ran out of that job. Out of the office I ran out, went

back to my apartment, and I was kind of freaking out, because I was like who’s going to understand this, who’s going to think I’m that crazy, what’s going on, and I called up this medium that I went to see. And he said calm down, James, calm down. Don’t you remember the prediction that the spirit world made for you? I said yeah, yes, that’s right, yes, I do. He said, James, that was two years ago today. It was the exact day, two years that that was made — that the experience happened. So isn’t that strange?

Jennifer: Well, you say in your book —


James: And I’ve never been the same since. Jennifer: — and you say in your books there are no accidents. James: There are no accidents. I say coincidence is God’s way of remaining anonymous. I do. I do

believe that to be true. I do. Jennifer: So how do we follow those coincidences, I mean, really, how — can we do this? Can we do

what you’re doing? James: Sure. Jennifer: So how do we do that? James: Well, I’ve learned over the many, many years that the answers are in all of us inside as you talk

about often, very often, that it’s true, the universe is inside us. The answers of discovery of self through meditation, through quieting the mind, to getting into that — I call it the knowingness — getting into the knowingness, and what you unveil, if you will, uncover that knowingness that is right there, you begin to recognize truth. You begin to recognize truth. And the more — it’s like the — that little — the feat of knowingness, the psychic centers, the more you go within, and you have that sense of knowingness, the easier it is to live your life, because I believe that life is really a series of choices. And all choices are based upon either fear, or love. And when you know yourself, when you have that knowingness, that intuition — intuition means into the soul — so when you’re in tune with your soul, you’re able to make the correct choices in your life, so yeah.

Jennifer: So we’re in tune with our soul, and we’re very aware that we are in fear. James: Ah, ah, so fear is an illusion. Jennifer: Now what do we do? James: Well, fear is an illusion for sure. Fear is an illusion. Fear is not real. Love is the only thing that

is real. It is true. I think that we have to understand the perspective of things, and realize that this room — this world that we’re living in here, this Earth world, is really a school room. It’s a school room. It’s a place to come back to, to learn many, many, many lessons — lessons in spiritual evolvement, of humanity, to help with humanity, to learn lessons about compassion, and love, and forgiveness, and also lessons about self‐esteem, if you will, about how not to let fear run your life, if you will. So it’s really learning. This is a school room. And we have to learn these things in order to grow spiritually — evolve spiritually, if you will. And that’s why we choose to come back here. And of course we have more places we can go to. The Earth is just one place. There’s many, many places. Many other solar systems, galaxies, places of life, if you will, that we choose to come back. And the Earth is a hard one. It’s a hard one to come back here, because there are people here of all different levels of spiritual evolution, very un‐evolved people, as we still have wars, and very evolved people — light workers who are on the planet. So it runs the gamut.


Jennifer: And, you know, we had a question before the show started from one of the audience members when we chat before the show. And they were wondering if you’ve had any transmissions, or if some folks from the other side that you’ve talked to have talked at all about what’s happening in the big shift that many, many spiritual leaders are talking about?

James: Sure, yeah, I have. I have in many actual communications regarding the shift, and it seems, for

people in this three‐dimensional world, that it’s hard sometimes for them to understand it, because they believe it’s kind of a three‐dimensional shift, like the actual things are going to start moving — which they will, I think — but the first shift is the consciousness. It’s the consciousness of change, and the consciousness — the awareness.

Everything is energy. Everyone should know everything is energy. And what is energy?

Energy is molecules that vibrate that move at a certain rate of speed. In a three‐dimensional world, it vibrates and moves at a particular rate of speed. And then the higher you go in dimensions, the quicker — the quicker the vibration. It seems that the veil that separates this three‐dimensional world from the other levels if you will, is getting thinner and thinner and thinner, and that actually it is very close to — if we work with the Mayan calendar — to 2012, that will be the three‐dimensional world that will actually go into the other dimensions. So there’s a swiftness, there’s a quickness, if you will, so it’s already happening here. It’s been just speeding up, speeding up, speeding up, and people actually feel that all around us. They’ll feel things speeding up so quickly and like holding on, it feels like a rollercoaster. And I know everybody can understand it, because they all felt it.

And the last place that we’ll feel there’s a three‐dimensional world, actually Earth will start shifting a little bit, and we’re already seeing weather pattern changes. We’re already seeing the weather pattern changes. We’ve seen some land changes, and I think that will continue to happen. But I think that overall people shouldn’t be afraid of it. It’s being aware — being aware that there’s a shift in consciousness, that what you think will materialize very, very quickly, that things happen very, very fast, that you could be very, very responsible for your thoughts that you put out to the world, because as we all know, what you will give out, you will get back. And you’ll get it back much quicker this time with the shift in consciousness.

Jennifer: And that’s a good thing and a bad thing. James: That’s a good thing, well, not that it’s good — Jennifer: It’s not bad. It’s not bad. James: — it’s not bad, because if we have the awareness, number one, if you have the mindfulness,

that awareness that what you put out there, you’re creating with your thoughts, it’s real. It’s very, very real and solid. And if you have the awareness that, you know what, you’re going to get back what you give out, you’ll then think twice before you send out a negative thought.

Jennifer: Right. James: You want to only send out positive thoughts. Like, you know, positive energy is the very

fastest vibration, so in a way, attuned to the shift. Negative thoughts is a slow — negative


thoughts, fear — those are low, slow, slow‐moving energy, if you will. A low vibration, so everything is being sped up, if you will.

Jennifer: Right. So I know that you face this from critics, and I certainly get nasty emails from people,

and what — how do you personally manage it, and how do you recommend that folks manage their kind of moment of reaction? I mean I know that people sometimes give reaction when things don’t go their way, and they whip off an email to someone, they’re unkind on the phone to a customer support person. Those things have meaning, don’t they?

James: Oh, yes. Words have power. Words are things. Thoughts are things. It’s funny, because, I

mean, I am personally attacked all the time, because of what I do. I’m out there, and people can’t believe that you can actually speak — that there are dimensions, that there are spiritual beings walking around us, and that there are people that are able to attune their minds to the mind of a spirit, and it will give information; that they actually hear spirits and they feel spirits and they see spirits. It’s very, very hard for certain people to step outside their paradigm; to step out of their way of thinking. So what do they do? The first reaction is to fear it — is fear it and put somebody else down. To judge it — number one is judgment. When we sit in judgment, we’re sitting in fear, because judgment equals fear. So we have to all realize to remain true to who we are.

You said earlier in the show, which was so fabulous, you have to know yourself, because you have the power within you. It’s very, very true. Every single person is a teacher, is a light, and when there are other people in your path who don’t get it, they’re put in your path for a very particular reason. They might not understand, so what is your job? Your job is to illuminate, if you will, bring light to the darkness, illuminate their mind with the possibility. If you judge, you go to their level, you know, if you judge reactions to their lower level. You want to step above it and demonstrate compassion and forgiveness. Not easy, it’s not easy to be in that human condition and do that. It really is difficult. What I do is a good one. I also, when I have customer service problems, I will get on the phone, and I will talk to the person, you know, I know it’s outsourced to China, or India, wherever it is, right, and they’ll put you on the phone, and you’re waiting, and you finally get somebody. Hello, can I help you? I stop them right away. I say, hi, how are you today? Fine. Where do you live, I say, and what is it like, do you have a family, and I have to stop then. I stop for a moment and I let them connect. I let them connect with the human being, that spirit‐to‐spirit connection, because that’s important, because I want them to know that they count, that they matter, that I recognize them. And they really, really appreciate it. I mean I’ve had these people on the phone say thank you so much for doing that, because no one ever does that. And also in Starbucks, I’ll go to Starbucks, and I’ll — I’ll go to Barista, and I’ll say what are you doing today, how was your day, what’s going on, and sometimes, depending on the part of the country you’re in, they’ll look at you like, oh, hi, good, how are you — in California. In New York, it’s like what are you talking about? You’re crazy.

Jennifer: What do you want? James: You know what? You’ve got to shift the energy. You’ve got to change the energy and be

responsible for the energy. Don’t let someone else control your life. You know, I have — a


lovely saying I have, which is — which the spirit gave me. What anyone thinks of me is none of my business, because no one knows you better than you know yourself. And it really works. And you get into that empowerment of that. It’s really true. No one knows you better than you know yourself, and what anyone thinks of you is none of your business.

Jennifer: Is none of my business? James: That’s right. Jennifer: What anyone thinks of me? James: That’s right, because they don’t know you better than you know yourself. Jennifer: I like that. James: Yeah, everyone should use that one. Jennifer: I like that one. James: Isn’t it a good one? Jennifer: I remember hearing one teacher say — she said one thing, and she did this pregnant pause of

a wonderful speaker that does — owns the audience. And she goes I have one thing to share with you. She says you will be judged. No question. Someone will judge you and some point in your life, so get over it. Yours is a little gentler and nicer though.

James: It’s a little gentler. And I went to see the movie, The Help, yesterday, which I cried in every

single scene of course. It was a wonderful movie for those who have not seen that movie. And there was a scene with Cicely Tyson — and I can’t remember exactly the dialogue — but she said something to this girl. And she said don’t you mind what those fools say — don’t you mind what the fools say, because there will always be fools in the world, and don’t be as foolish as those fools. Don’t put yourself down to that level.

Jennifer: Yes, yes, and it’s such a simple thing, James, and yet — and yet it’s really a profound spiritual

way of being in the world, isn’t it? James: It certainly is. It certainly is. And I have found the more I get involved with spirituality, the

more I’ve been involved with meditation and really living a spiritual life in a physical world, which is very, very difficult. But we all have to remember that we are first and foremost spirits. We are first and foremost spirits having a physical experience; not the other way around. So when you start changing your perspective, and you see your spirit having physical experiences, and it’s not your true nature — your true nature is a spirit — try to remember that. Always try to remember that that you’re not of this Earth. This Earth is a schoolroom, so whenever you have people in your life, on your path, who are hard to you, or difficult, you have to ask yourself what lesson are they teaching me. What lesson are they teaching me to be whole, you know? Family members that we have, and we have karmic tides with certain family members, and certain friends, you know, certain employers. We’ve got to say, you know, what lessons are they teaching me? Should it be forgiveness, patience, compassion?


Every day we try it out like, you know, a game, okay, what am I going to learn today. Who are going to be my role models?

Jennifer: Who’s going to be my teacher today? James: Exactly, and it does work. The universe always says yes. You know, we say no — our egos say

no. We limit God, and the universe, which is God, and we are God. We are God — that light — and I always find that when we limit God, we get into trouble, you know, when the ego gets in the way and puts judgment in there and fear, then we’re not living to our true potential. But when we live within the God self, who we truly are, then the universe will always say yes, and we’ll always have what we want in life. And things do work out, and your perspective starts changing.

Jennifer: Yeah, and it’s interesting, because sometimes I think that that school that you’re describing is

the perspective changer that’s almost — that’s kind of one of its goals. Is that true? James: Exactly, exactly. I mean every day we’re learning. Every day there are new lessons to learn,

and if you don’t learn the lesson one day, you’ll learn it another day, or another month, or another year. So and they’ll always present themselves to you, because yeah, I mean, the universe always knows. Your higher self will always bring you those lessons onto your path in order for you to learn it, because that’s why we’re down here. This is our schoolroom down here, so we’ve always got to take those classes, and if you don’t get it right the first time, we’ll just have to redo it.

Jennifer: Right, right, so we don’t — we don’t want to go to summer school here. We want — James: No, better get it done now than having to come back. Jennifer: Let’s get it now. So does that mean that these things that show up in our lives — these people

that become teachers, these people that, in the moment, may upset us — that they’re actually there guiding us, helping us?

James: Well, totally. I mean not — you may not have that awareness at first, that at first we’ll have

the reaction how could they do that to me, well, you know, we have to learn maybe they’re not doing it personally to us. There might be something going on within themselves and they’re projecting certain things at us, which we tend to take personally. We just have to realize that these people, we’ve chosen them on our paths to learn from, whatever those lessons are, and we might be conscious of it now, or might not, or it will become — we’ll become aware of those lessons in a couple years’ time perhaps. But there are lessons. And if we come from that place with love, and it’s not — it’s easier to say sometimes then actually experience that, but I find it is — it is a perfect place to come from. And it’s hard sometimes to forgive people, but it is the — I always find out from listening to spirits — years of spirit communication that often said — and I wrote about this in Unfinished Business — my book, Unfinished Business, the book was written from spirit. They gave me this, they wrote the book, and it was always people that had passed over to the other side of life with should have, would have, and could have. If only I knew on the Earth what I know now in the spirit world, I would have not behaved a certain way, I would have forgiven someone in a certain way, I


would have backed it out a different way, I wouldn’t have hurt somebody. So it’s very, very important to have that realization and that awareness follow in this three‐dimensional world.

Jennifer: And it’s interesting. It’s — I’m kind of reviewing questions and thinking about things as we

converse. And one of the things I was just thinking about when you said that was life reviews. You talk about life reviews in your books. And what happens after we go onto this other — across the veil sort of thing?

James: Well, number one, it’s a very, very important thing for people to realize. It really, really is, and

I think the important part of my work is not only to demonstrate that life goes on, but the consciousness survives physical death, but number two that when we pass out of this shell, which is a very painless experience — I’ve never had a spirit in 30 years say, oh, it was really painful — they actually looked forward to, when they stepped out of the body, they felt very relieved, happy, incredible joy.

Jennifer: Cool. That’s — James: Oh, incredibly. Incredibly, and they all go to their funerals and their memorial services. Every

single one visits them and goes there and sees who’s showing up, and who sent flowers, and what they’re wearing if they were in a coffin. That always happens.

Jennifer: Really? James: Yeah, oh, always. Always — they will always visit their memorial services or their funerals. I

had my father come through at his wake. We had a wake for him years ago and we were talking about some people in the room, and he walked up behind me, and he said thanks for putting my teeth in, I looked pretty good. And it’s true, that comment early in the morning, and oh, my goodness, yes, they all visit them. They all will be keenly aware, if you will, they’re very keenly aware of all of our thoughts very much so. And when they pass that spiritual light — they call it going to the light, going through a tunnel, they’ll have that — we’ve heard that experience, well, what happens is you met all your loved ones who passed over. Your family, your friends, your animals and spirit guides. And one of the first things that happens in the other dimension is that, as you mentioned, there’s no time. You have awareness, but there is no such thing as time. You’re outside of time, so there is no past, present, future; it’s all one. And what happens is you will see your life you’ve just lived. Not only will you see it from 0 to whatever age you passed — let’s say 89 years old — and you will feel it 10 times, 20 times, 30 times stronger. You will feel what you said to somebody else, what you said to somebody else, what you thought about somebody else, the action that your thoughts would have had on somebody else.

So for instance if you’re in a very bad mood, and you go into a store, and you yell at the

shopkeeper, and the shopkeeper goes to a coworker and then yells at them, and the coworker goes home and yells at the family, you become aware of how that shopkeeper felt. You feel how they felt 10 times, 20 times, 30 times stronger, and then you’d feel how the other person felt, and the other person, and you begin to see how your one thought, your one word had what’s called the rippling effect on every single person. And that is something, which is sometimes very, very difficult for new life spirits, because people say is that heaven or hell, that’s exactly what it is. If you lived a good life, you tried the best you could, and you


demonstrated compassion and forgiveness, you have nothing to worry about. But if you were someone who went out of their way to hate people, to get over on people, to hurt people, you will have to try to forgive yourself when you pass over. And one of the hardest things on this Earth, we know, that when we do something wrong, we feel really bad about something. Imagine when you’re in a world — in a dimension when there’s no time and you have to relive it over, and over and over again in your mind, so that can be hell. So that’s why they life for you is very, very important, and for people to have the awareness that there is a life review. Because now, from now on — people heard my words now — now they can start being responsible for their thoughts, their words, and their deeds.

Jennifer: And the thoughts and deeds, or the thoughts and words are as powerful, if not more so than

the action. Is that true? James: So, so much. So, so much, because they’re waiting for you when you pass over to the other

side of life, all your thoughts, your words, and your deeds that you gave to others. They’re waiting for you upon your arrival, and you have to judge yourself. There’s no God that sits in judgment and says you go there, all right, you go there, you go there. You judge yourself and —

Jennifer: Oh, and this isn’t to scare the poop out of people or anything. It’s — I think that’s a really

important point, which is you judge yourself. James: You judge yourself. Jennifer: It’s not some court up there that’s saying, oh, you were a good person, or bad person. You’re

figuring that out. James: Oh, yeah, you’re knowing it yourself, and your see yourself. Again, before we come back to

this incarnation — this lifetime — we go through what’s called the valley of forgetfulness. That’s something — I talk about this. You go through this level, if you will, and it’s kind of you have amnesia about the spiritual world. So when you come back here, you have like a clean slate when you start. And when you pass over to this side of life, you become aware that — when the amnesia’s gone, you become aware of yourself as a spiritual being, and you’re aware of all the lifetimes you’ve ever had, and what your lessons were in this particular lifetime, all the tests that you prepared for yourself, and if you passed the test, or if you didn’t pass the test. And you have to judge yourself.

Jennifer: Wow, so we set this up for ourselves in advance. James: That’s exactly right. That’s exactly — we have what’s called a blueprint — a spiritual blueprint

before you come back. Jennifer: And so I’m curious about this, you know, people talk about grace. So you’re in this lifetime,

and I know — Damien Brinkley, for example, was a guy who wasn’t really living a great life, and he dramatically changed his life.

James: Oh, yeah.


Jennifer: Well, he passed over, and so, I mean, can we make changes in our current life if we have done stuff that isn’t so good? What happens? Can we forgive ourselves? Can others forgive us as we’re still alive, even if — ?

James: Totally, oh, totally. You always have that available to you, to start, to begin, if you will, to

awaken yourself — your true self. That’s always available to you. And with that awakening comes the awareness that, well, you know what, I wasn’t open then. I wasn’t aware that my thoughts were powerful, that what I did to another person was wrong. Now I know it. Now I’m aware of it, so you begin to live your life differently. You life different — you live a spiritual life.

Jennifer: And so for those who are listening to these words now, this is an opportunity, isn’t it? James: It is. It’s a great opportunity. It’s a great opportunity, and I always tell people, you know, now

that you’ve heard me say this, when you pass over to the other side and, you know, you say to your guides, well, didn’t know about all this stuff, they’ll say yes, you did, because you heard James Van Praagh on Healing with the Masters, and he told you to be responsible for your thoughts, your words, and your deeds to another person, so don’t try to get over on us that you did not know it.

Jennifer: So this is a moment — this is an auspicious moment for everyone listening. You heard it here

folks. James: It’s true. It’s very, very true. You know, we can never force others to believe the way we want

to believe too. That’s another class that I think somebody has — someone has for you there probably, because we can never force others to believe spiritually, to have an awareness, because people often ask me that too. They say, you know, I love this and these messages that have come through. I’ve got to explain it to my family, but they might not believe it, and it really irritates me. Why can’t they be open to this? And I say, you know what, you can just plant the seed. That’s all you can do is plant the seed; you can’t force them. They’ll evolve when it’s their time to evolve, and they’ll open up when it’s their time to open up. But all we can do is really demonstrate our spirituality by living a spiritual life, and merely plant the seeds.

Jennifer: Yeah, and I think that notion of compassion goes a long way with loved ones. Instead of being

in judgment of them not getting it, holding a space of compassion, like you said earlier, is really a much better demonstration.

James: Yeah, it’s just a much better demonstration and, you know, we’re only human, so we’re going

to fall back of course, because of the human emotions and so forth, but compassion is a key. It is a gift. It is a gift to give another for sure.

Jennifer: Oh, I love that. Compassion is a gift we give another. Okay, that’s it. We have a contest. James: Oh, good. Can I play? Jennifer: You just did. You just did. Yes, you can, James, in fact. You can enter your own contest. So

the gift you give another. So compassion is a gift you give another. That is our phrase that


pays for today. We like to take one kind of phrase that really stands out and use it as a point of reference, so compassion is the gift you give another. And yourself, really, isn’t it?

James: Yes. Jennifer: But compassion is a gift you give another, and so just, if you guys want to enter the contest,

just go ahead and use that as the phrase that pays. And I’ll mention it again at the end. Thank you for that beautiful phrase.

James: Sure. It wasn’t me, but okay. It probably just came through me, I’m sure. Isn’t it funny? It’s

true, as we always talk, and we’re just blessed with the spirit, aren’t we? Jennifer: Indeed, indeed. And so I’m also curious about this. Do we get to take credit for some of the

stuff that comes through us? That’s my ego talking. James: That’s your human ego mind. Jennifer: Darn it. James: I think we all have to understand that we’re a multidimensional being — we’re all

multidimensional beings. And I do believe there’s many, many — there’s a higher self to us, and I think there are those many levels that influence us. Our higher selves influence us, and it’s interesting. The more we can get away from the ego, the more we can open up, the higher the message is, the higher the healing, the more the light’s able to come through and pierce that darkness, because when you duck from a place of love, you really do close down. Love is the fasted, vibrational energy there is. And when we open ourselves up to those higher levels, we bring in that love very brightly. So I love it.

Jennifer: Yeah, I can tell. James: When I’m around spiritual — when I’m around people and spiritual people, and talking about

spiritual things, I just open up, as we all do, I believe that we really recognize, or remember our true natures, our spiritual beings, and our spiritual selves.

Jennifer: Yeah, and you have — you talk about the difference between the soul and the spirit. Can you

maybe share a little bit about that? James: Yeah. I don’t like people to get caught up in semantics, because a lot of people ask me that.

Well, is it a soul, or is it a spirit? And I say, well, you can use whatever term you like, whatever phrase. I think we’re all souls, souls being — and souls are just those beams of light, if you will, okay? I use the term kind of, well, spirit and soul, interactively, but — or interchangeable rather, but for people who — for my type of work as a medium ship, I’ll often use spirits, because people recognize the word spirits. It’s easier for them to grasp a spirit as kind of someone who’s died, if you will, and they have the characteristics of the person that just lived. That’s a spirit. A soul, again, it’s a beam of light. I don’t want to get so caught up in that, but that’s just the — I differentiate it by just saying the spirit is when a contact — spirit/soul, same thing really.


Jennifer: And so you also talk about soul patterns. James: Soul patterns, yes. Soul patterns are, that we as soul beings, yeah, I mean our soul or spirit;

let’s not get caught up in that, right? So we have these souls. We’ve lived many, many, many lifetimes — many, many lifetimes in many different forms in many different places, as I said earlier, to have many different experiences. It seems that there are certain experiences — situations — that the soul will place themselves in, in order to learn. So let’s they have to learn about peace. Well, they might have to go through many lifetimes of war in order to understand that war is not the way; only peace is the right way. And it seems that there is a pattern within that soul makeup, because of lifetime experiences, that when there’s a problem to get warful [sic] — to battle something, if you will — and there’s an inclination, if you will, in the soul makeup, and there’s a — there’s an inclination, if you will, in the soul makeup, in the soul fabric, to behave a certain way. And it seems that that souls has to burn that out of its experiences through lifetimes, burn out that reaction as taken from a different way, and we’re all given opportunities to do that, so we combat this — if a soul has many lifetimes and they want to go to war, and they will be given an experience this lifetime — an opportunity — and opportunity to either behave a certain way. They use war, and battles, or use the other way — the other alternative, which is peace and love. So they’ll set themselves up, but that’s all blueprint, and choose accordingly.

Jennifer: And so I keep coming back to this, which is this is us that sets this up, right? James: I’m sorry? Jennifer: We set this up for ourselves? James: Oh, for certain. For sure. What we’re trying to perfect ourselves from lifetime to lifetime, so

we’ll always choose to come back and learn those lessons we haven’t learned in prior lifetimes. And we’ll always set ourselves up to perfect it — to perfect it, because there will be an inclination to behave the same way. But it seems that the more we become aware of our spiritual selves, that that is not the right answer, we should use compassion, or love, or tolerance, understanding — that’s the best way — we’ll keep on repeating it until we learn that.

Jennifer: And it’s interesting, because my noble qualities, my top value is peace, so are you like psychic

or something? James: I am — I do believe that. I was once in contact with other beings, if you want call

them — some people call them aliens, or whatever, other forms of life — and they came to me and they said we don’t understand one thing. And this happened in Sedona, Arizona actually, and they came to me in the middle of this field, and they said we are from the Platies [phonetic 35:58], and we don’t understand one thing. And I knew they were dumbing this down for me — I knew they were slowing down the vibrations so, so much, because they were so beyond — and they said we don’t understand why the human beings have the energy called love. Love — all around them — this energy of love all around them, and yet they don’t use it. Why is that? That’s what they said. And why do they choose war? And because the funny thing about war too, and battles, we kill each other, we never die, we’re still alive. You never kill anyone.


Jennifer: Right. We just come back around to do it again. And is that changing though? Have you heard

that, you know, stuff is going in this planet that is changing all of us? There are people that are listening to this show that have never listened to these kinds of shows before. Is something changing? Is something changing?

James: Oh, completely. Completely, Jennifer, completely, because I know from my audiences now,

when I go and do demonstrations around the country and around the world, I ask — the first question I ask the audience is so how many people are brand new to this. Ninety percent will raise their hands — 90 percent.

Jennifer: Oh, my gosh. James: Gosh, I’ve been doing this 30 years, and you haven’t seen me before? No, we don’t know who

you are. I’m like okay, well, so it’s really interesting that when I started doing this work, of course, everybody thought I was crazy. I was the odd man, because I used to see spirits, and they thought I was crazy. And now it’s become more mainstream. Now it’s more the way it is, because every single person has an experience, whether it’s a déjà vu experience, whether it’s a past‐like memory, whether it’s a psychic experience, an intuitive experience, everybody has some kind of paranormal experience. And now they have a chance in this time we’re living in to share that, and people don’t think they’re crazy. They’re like, oh, yeah, I had that experience; I had an experience like that too.

So it’s become more mainstream. And I can see this a lot from the light workers that have

been out there, and I’m including myself with the pioneers out there, a lot of us have been out there a long time doing this stuff. But when I first started this, and others, you know, wrote books about this thing, I remember the first book I wrote, Talking to Heaven, I couldn’t sell the book at all, because all the publishers would say to me no one wants to know about death. It’s a very morbid subject. They don’t want to buy a book like that. And I said, no, you’re very wrong about that. I said as human beings, we share two common experiences, one is birth — and we’ve been through that, so we know a little bit — and the other is death, and people want to know what happens. And sure enough, and now, of course, with the books and movies, and of course with TV shows, it really has changed. It’s opened up that mainstream consciousness. People are aware of things now — much more aware.

Jennifer: Well, and thank you, James, for being one of those early‐on folks to really help open the

communications in a very broad way. I mean your programs and stuff, I think, has opened the door for many people.

James: Oh, Ghost Whisperer, especially Ghost Whisperer. Thank you very much for that

acknowledgment. I appreciate that. And Ghost Whisperer was amazing to me, because I’m, like I’m still that sitcom writer years ago. I don’t even know it was obviously my self plan to do this work, but if I knew, you know, when I was — when I first moved to Los Angeles, but it is amazing how — just watching that show, Ghost Whisperer — how many people have sent emails, and sent comments and letters saying, thank you, thank you, thank you for putting that on the air, because it taught me to question life after death. And is there life after death? And that was — that’s what spiritualism is about. When I went to meditation, they said this show, it’s not really about the ghosts, and that — that’s the entertainment value — but to get the


people kind of in there to question. And I said the bigger picture, the bigger perspective, is for people to question their own mortality. And that’s exactly, I think, what happened with the show, thank goodness.

Jennifer: Beautiful. So we had a question before the show started about 9/11, which is coming up this

weekend — the 10th Anniversary. And I’m curious if you’ve heard from any of the victims, if they have anything — if they had anything to share, or if you’ve recently heard from them given that we’re — a lot of people are focused on that right now?

James: Yeah, when it first happened, I read several, several people — many, many

actually — many, many people. I worked with a lot of families. I didn’t do it publically. No one knew publically I was doing it, but I worked with many, many families of the lost people. And collectively, as a group — as a soul group, these people that passed that way, and I can just say it — I don’t want to sound too strange about it, but they said there’s a bigger truth to it, and a bigger meaning, and it might sound strange, but I chose this — I chose this for the evolvement of humans. And that was the overall, I would say, gist of it that they said they chose this in their soul — as a group soul, they said, yeah, yeah. And I’ve also heard that with World War II too as well. I’ve had that with Nazi Germany.

Jennifer: Is that right? James: Oh, yeah, I’ve had that with people who died in camps, and because I’ve lost many of my

relatives too. They died in camps and many times I’ve brought some spirits who have passed that way, and I always ask the question myself, because I’m curious, and they say, no, we decided on this before we came back in reincarnation as a group soul to evolve — to let the human conscience evolve.

Jennifer: So there’s a divine dance afoot here with many tragedies that are happening on the planet. James: Yes. Without a doubt there is, and unfortunately, people, I think, they can’t limit their mind —

they shouldn’t limit their mind to the human experience, because there’s a bigger, bigger, broader, broader picture. And like you say, this is a dance down here. This is where physically it happens. But to evolve people on a mass level, mass events have to happen. See, there’s got to be a tension on a mass level in order for change to occur.

Jennifer: I’m often curious, and I’m hearing some other teachers talk about this, that right now it’s

important that there’s that tension, that there’s a tension in order to create change. Most of the people on this call are here, in part — as I’m felling into them — in part, because they have a lot of tension in their life that they’re looking for solutions for.

James: Oh, totally. I mean I heard some of the callers before we started, and a lot of anxiety, a lot of

nervousness, a lot of tension, uh‐huh. Jennifer: Yeah, and so what do we tell those folks that — how do they manage this? I mean it’s great to

hear your words, it is very comforting, I can feel a shift on the entire call, but there’s, you know, once they’re off the call, what should they do?


James: Well, number one, it’s changing your awareness, it’s changing your mindfulness, it’s starting, like as we were speaking about, starting to live your life in a mindful way, being aware of your thoughts, being aware of how you — what you say to people, being aware, number one, that you are God, that you are love, and that you’re a spiritual being having a physical experience. And it’s not to get caught up in the physical, yes, it’s hard, because someone can’t pay their bills, and things happen, but you’ve got to keep on going back to your spiritual being and you’ve got to see things from that perspective. And realize you’re never alone, no one’s ever alone, and that things are happening in life for a change, for our best good, for our highest good. We might not be aware of it at the time it happens, but it is for our highest good. And I can tell people the best way that I have found, and through all anxious moments — all anxious moments, nervous moments, and I’ve had many, many of them — I go within. I go to meditate. I begin to meditate, and I’ll tell you, it’s the calm of the storm, and it gets that sense of knowingness, that truth, and you start to have this understanding, this clarity of what I’m learning right now, this is why I’m going through this nervous time, this is why I’m anxious. And it kind of calms you down, because it brings you back to truth; it brings you back to your knowingness.

Jennifer: Oh, beautiful. James: That’s the best advice I can give, because — Jennifer: And it’s interesting — what’s interesting, James, is it’s so simple. It’s not necessarily easy. James: It’s so simple. The truth is very simple. The problem is we get caught up in the complexity of

the simplicity. We want things to be so complex, and so profound, and yet the truth is very, very simple. The truth is love. It’s love or fear. That’s all that life is, is love, or fear. And where do we want to give our power away. Do you want to give our power away to the fear, or do you want to give the power away to love? And I’ll tell people — people that are listening right now — if you go back to your life, in your mind, to when you had a certain you had to make, whether it was a job, or something you lived with, or married, or a certain place you decided to move to, was it based upon other peoples’ expectations of you, or was it based upon your own love of something? And if it was based on other peoples’ expectations, or fear, they won’t be happy, but if it was based upon love — true love — then they’ll be very happy, because as I said earlier, love is our natural state of being. Fear is the illusion. Fear is not a natural state. So the more you can bring yourself back into that loving zone, that truth, the more you’ll be happy in your life and the more you will, if you will, get back to the true essence of your knowingness of who you are.

Jennifer: And when we — when we achieve that, that actually does create the opposite ripple effect,

doesn’t it? That creates the opposite ripple effect on the planet and in our lives. James: That’s exactly right, because the right meditation that I have — and in all my meditations, at

the end, and even at my events, I have it at the end — I always have the audience say, “healthy am I, happy am I, holy am I.” And it brings up that vibration. Remember, everything is energy, so when you focus that energy on a higher level of love, “healthy am I,” and turn it within, “healthy am I, happy am I, holy am I,” and you bring that loving energy around you, it shifts. It starts shifting the way you think of yourself, it starts shifting the healing in the body; it brings it up a higher level. And the interesting thing that happens is when you bring love to


yourself, when you sit in love with yourself; it changes the vibration of frequency around you. And all those people in your life who are not up to that level will be thrown out of your life, because like attracts like. So when you’re a certain high level, if someone doesn’t truly love you, and they’re not at a high vibration of love for you, they will go away. And I’ve seen it happen many times in my life.

Jennifer: Yes. I have witnessed it thousands of times with people on these shows, in fact, that are

listening to these calls, that they’ve — I love that. I just want everyone to take a moment right now, and let’s just play in the energy just for a moment. And I want everyone right now to say out loud, if you can, or to yourself, “health am I, happy am I, holy am I.” Wow, that shifted the energy, didn’t it?

James: Isn’t that a nice elevator ride? Jennifer: That was cool. James: Isn’t that nice? Jennifer: That was really nice. James: You kind of come back to your own power. Jennifer: I love that. James: And, you know, when you come back to your own power, then you realize how much power

you give away — how much of your power you give away every single day by talking to people, and saying things to people, or whatever it is, you’re giving away your power. And when you start giving away all of your power, what do you have left for yourself?

Jennifer: Right, right, there’s nothing left. So, James, is it good to be here on the planet? I mean I know

so many people who have been on this spiritual path. Those of us who have been doing this since the 80s are going, okay, this is my last time, this is my last time. Is it actually good to be here? I mean I’m starting to get to the point where I’m like, you know, I’m actually having some fun here. I get to drink some great wine, and have some amazing conversations, and have some wonderful, intimate insight.

James: Great sex. Jennifer: I was going to say intimacy, but yeah, great sex, you know? James: You’re a physical being here. Jennifer: Yes. So is it good to be here? James: Enjoy the physical things, because the physical things, yeah, we should really enjoy the

physical things. It is a great time to be here. It’s a great place to be. It gives us incredible opportunities every day — incredible opportunities we wouldn’t get anywhere else. We would get them in spirit. The opportunities here — spirits often told me that certain situations we


have here, we can grow from incredibly fast. We can grow spiritually very, very quickly here. We could experience the same thing, the spiritual dimensions, but we wouldn’t grow as quickly. So it affords us the opportunity to grow here in an incredible amount of ways. Yeah, I think when people realize — I think part of that is also, Jennifer, I think part of it is, is that innately, underneath us, maybe unconsciously, we’re aware that we’re spiritual beings. First and foremost, we’re spiritual beings. And this form, this is —

[Interruption by someone entering the conference — 48:20 to 48:39] James: — eighty is a blink of an eye. And spirits have often come through and said that, oh, my gosh,

if only I realized that time — time isn’t what it really is, that really time should be measured in moments, not by years, I would have behaved differently. So we have to start thinking that way — sort of acting and living that way as moments.

Jennifer: Oh, beautiful. James: And take advantage of each moment. Jennifer: Take advantage of each moment. It’s interesting. I had a — I had a — I was guided once in

one of my meditations, and they said basically your life is a month in your soul’s journey. James: I love it. Jennifer: Think about what would you do in a month, if it was your only month? James: Well, that’s funny, because my book, Unfinished Business, when I went on a book tour, I would

open the talk by saying if you had two more days of your life to live, what would you do? And people laugh. They start thinking differently. Or another one — people that are listening can do this one — write your eulogy. Write your eulogy and then read it to yourself and see how you’d change your life now.

Jennifer: Oh, I love that exercise. That is a wonderful exercise. Write your eulogy. James: Yeah, it’s a great one. And the things that you thought were important, the things that you

valued, which you thought you valued, when you write this eulogy and your read it back, you’ll begin to see, oh, wow, I’m shifting my values, so now things aren’t as important as I thought they were — certain things, so it really puts things in the proper perspective.

Jennifer: So I have a question about some — I know you have some great stories. I would love to hear

some of your more dramatic readings, especially when you made believers from skeptics. Do you have some fun stuff to share with us?

James: Oh, I have a couple of wonderful things. Oh, yeah, well, the skeptics are the best part, because

they don’t know what to do with it. They’re like — completely turn white and almost fall down to the floor. So there are so many. It’s hard to remember a lot of them, but one in particular I do remember. I do what’s called spirit circles once a month in California here, and about 100 people. I keep it very — that’s intimate — about 100 people. And one particular night there was a spirit boy coming to me, and he said my name is Michael, and my father is over there.


Please help him. He’s begun to drink. He’s an alcoholic now and I have to save his life. And this little boy — well, not little boy — he was an older boy, about 20 years old, and I looked over to my left side, and there was a man in the front row in full leather regalia, from the top of his head to the bottom of his feet. And okay, what kind — this person doesn’t usually come to an event like this — this particular event. And he had a glass of something in his hand, and I said, okay, wow, so I looked at him. I said, sir, may I come to you? And he goes, huh, huh? I said are you drinking at my event? And I made up this whole thing about how dare you come to a spiritual event and drinking. And what I was trying to do is I was trying to get his attention, and I walked up to him, and I joked with him and I said, and how dare you come in here, and you brought yourself a drink, and you didn’t bring me one? So and it eased up the tension in the room, and he paid — he looked at me and goes, oh, oh. I said you have a friend named Michael. And he goes yes. And I said he’s here, he’s right behind you, and I said he wants me to tell you his head didn’t hurt when he fell — when he hit the ground. And he completely freaked out. That’s the best way to say it. He freaked out. He started screaming, wow, man, man, oh, my gosh, man, wow. And he said my friend died from a flame — the parachute didn’t go off. And that’s how he died — the friend died. And I said he wants me to tell you that you recently just put a tattoo, I think, was on your shoulder with his name. No, no, no, no, I’m sorry. That was wrong. It was a tattoo you put on yourself with his name. Yes, man, yes, and he started freaking out, and he pulled up his jacket, and he pulled up his t‐shirt and a big graphic — gothic letters — “My beloved son, Michael, was tattooed and it was across his whole front of his body.”

Jennifer: Oh, my God. James: So that was — and he was sitting in the first row, and I’m like, oh, my God. I’m like oh, my

God, and it was like — and he was freaking out, of course the first time to experience this, so real, and I’m up there thinking, oh, my God, too. I’m like oh, my God, that’s amazing, to myself. I can’t say it to the audience I’m thinking, oh, my God, oh, my God.

Jennifer: Oh, my God, that’s — James: And the people in the back are like oh, my God. And then a 15‐year‐old girl raises her hand in

the back, and she goes, Mr. Van Praagh, the last time I was here with my parents, you talked to my sister who passed away, and she said to tell grandma that grandpa was waiting for her, and it’s okay to go. And at that point, her father added, yes, Mr. Van Praagh, we were here two months ago, and you — my daughter came through and she said that my father was waiting for my mother, and to tell her it was okay to go to with him. We came from your seminar, and we went home and told them — I told my mother that. She died 10 minutes later.

Jennifer: Oh, my God. James: So there you have the story about the tattoo guy, and then I have this situation, and I didn’t

know how to react. Should I say I’m very sorry, or, oh, that’s a good thing, and, you know, it’s a hard thing to react. Those are two very dramatic things that have happened within, oh, within 10 minutes of each other.

Jennifer: Wow, and it’s fun to see that you actually still go, oh, my God.


James: Oh, totally. Totally. People say you’ve done this for 30 years. Aren’t you kind of jaded by all of this? And I say, no, no, because all these communications are brand new to me. It’s a brand new experience with brand new communications. And I said the moment that it starts getting that I feel jaded, then I stop doing the work, because then it’s not true, you know, not coming from a place of heart. And that will never happen, because that’s not who I am. But it’s really — you have to have that — I’m always — it’s always a miracle. It’s always a miracle. Communication is always a miracle. And there always has to be that sense of amazing ability to spirit, because it always amazes me.

Jennifer: So what are we — how do the spirits try to contact us? What are some of the ways that we

can say, oh, that was — that was definitely, I mean, for example, I recently lost my uncle and my aunt in the last four, or five months, and one was very sudden, one was after a four‐year illness. And in both — in one instance, there’s a humming bird that flew into my — into my condo and flew right in front of me and left, and it kind of felt it was my aunt, but I wasn’t sure.

James: Uh‐huh, that’s one way, uh‐huh. That was. The number‐one way for people — the people

that are listening and hearing this — every single person, the number‐one way as spirits communicate through to you is in the dream state. We have dreams of them. That’s the number‐one way that we experience spirit communication, or spirit visitation, is through the dream state. And they feel very, very real. I call them crossovers, because they’re so real, and it feels like, wow, that’s more real than living on the Earth, it’s so real. And the second way — another way which they come through, just like you said, birds, butterflies, certain animals. And people say my mother is — my mother’s a butterfly. I know that’s her; I know it. Is it really her? Well, I don’t necessarily think so, but what I do think happens is that the spirit is sitting right next to you, and transferring a thought, so it’s mind‐to‐mind communication, so they’re sending a thought of themselves into your mind, so you will think of them and you see that butterfly, or see that hummingbird, and you’ll associate the hummingbird with your aunt, or your mother with the butterfly. And that’s what happens. That’s exactly what happens. And another way they come through — electricity. They can affect electrical things, like lights blink on and off, and computers, and radios playing certain songs, certain cell phones, they can affect — somehow they can affect the electromagnetic field and influence it to a point where they can have manifestation.

Another way, coins. Somehow coins will appear in the weirdest places, or certain objects will

appear, which weren’t there before. That happens. It’s harder to manifest that way, but that does happen. Another way which people often don’t find — they’ll talk about that often, but happens is what’s called transfiguration, which means that I’ll be looking at somebody in a crowd, or in a store, and, oh, my gosh, that’s my aunt that passed over. That looks just like her. Is that really her? Am I having a vision? And the closer you get, the more you see, oh, it isn’t her, but it’s somebody that looks like her. I believe the spirit is projected, again, into your mind, into your consciousness, a projection of themselves, so when you look at that person, you’ll think of them. You’ll think that’s them. And that’s happened many times to me in audiences. I looked out in the audience and I thought it was a relative that passed over, because it looked just like them, or a friend that passed over. That’s another way.

And also people who, you know, it’s very interesting, because spirits can get through to people

when people don’t try to hard. When their mind is in kind of neutral state, so in the shower,


or reading a book, or a movie, they can get through to you easier, because you don’t have walls up. Another way, you’re driving the car, and all of the sudden you have a thought of your loved one that passed over, I think of — did you ever think that they’re sitting next to you and they’re projecting a thought into your consciousness of themselves? That’s exactly what’s going on.

Jennifer: Yeah, wow, that’s cool. So and they’re with us. They’re connected with us. Are they with us

all the time, or are they just with us when we think about them, or — James: Well, again, and one more thing — I’m sorry I forgot to mention — your sense, smells, roses,

flowers, aftershave, tobacco. Things come to you that way. I don’t like to limit spirit in thinking it’s just a physical thing that when you think of them, they’re there. I think — in a way they’re always with us, and we’re always with them on another level, on a higher level. I think we’re all connected, and I wouldn’t limit it to the physical laws, which say you’ve got to think about someone as they are. I think at some level we’re always together. But they’re often physically — be aware that they’re often around us, quite often, if you will. But they haven’t forgotten us. They love us very, very much, and those love bonds created on the Earth continue on. They still love us; they still care for us. They’ll try to help us on this Earth. They’ll try to move things out of our way — any obstacles, they’ll try to move out of the way for us, to help us to live our lives better. They can’t of course take our tests for us and give us answers to tests, like many people will say to me in communication can you tell me about — I’ll say, no, that’s — I’m not being allowed to tell you, because that’s a test you have to go through. And that spirit loves you so much that they don’t want to ruin your evolvement. They want you to revolve. They don’t want to hold you back, so you have to go through that test. You can’t give the answers to that test. They have to go through it.

Jennifer: Wow, well, we’re at the top of the hour, and I was wondering if you have any final thoughts

before we talk a little bit about your special offer. James: Sure. I want people to realize that they’re never alone. No one is ever, ever alone, that we’re

all in this together, and that even when you think you’re alone, you’re not, because the spirit is always around you, and your guides are always with you. We all have guides. And guides can not only be just spiritual, but spiritual beings up there exalted, but they can also be your friends and family that have passed over that help you out. And that — that’s the biggest thing, I just get a sense right now to say, is that you’re not alone. Don’t ever think you’re alone. And you will get through it. And that remember that you’re a spirit having a physical experience, not the other way around, and that these hardships, these difficulties, are definitely tests of the spirit — tests of the spirit, and you have to believe in yourself to get through them, and love yourself to get through them.

Jennifer: Wow, thank you so much, and I feel the heartfelt energy that comes from that. So thank you

so much. James: Oh, you’re very welcome. Jennifer: Because there’s lots and lots of people on this call. We have over — it looks like over 2,000

people on the call that are —


James: Oh, bless you all. Bless you all. Jennifer: They’re really, really feeling the energy of allowing that you’ve kind of created for them, so

thank you so much for that. James: In fact, I think, just as a reminder, I just remind people who they are. I just hold a mirror up to

who they are, they forget, and that we’re all God. Every single one of us — no one’s better than the other. We’re all the same. We’re all in it together.

Jennifer: Oh, it’s beautiful. And so if you folks are enjoying James as much as I am, and would like some

more — to have some more experience with him, he has given us the most — honestly, to date, I don’t think we’ve had a special offer that’s quite this remarkable — we have 10 products here.

James: I just emptied out my garage. I’m giving everything I can to anybody. Jennifer: It’s like the best of his stuff. We’ve got this wonderful tuning‐in meditation that helps you for

— to a state to attain a natural state of health. The tuning‐in talks about forgiveness. We have this wonderful — a guided meditation program, and a workbook called Spirit Speaks. And a lot of these programs are featuring music by Steven Halpern. Steven was actually on our — on our sound vibration week. And his stuff is incredibly healing.

James: Oh, yes, very much so. Jennifer: Not only — not only do you have James — which I actually believe James’ voice is healing —

not only do you have that, but you have Steven’s healing music in the background. And it’s Spirit Speaks meditation, it’s creating relaxation, it guides you into exercises of reflection. There’s also all kinds of — with most of these CDs, there’s a bonus conversation with James and a downloadable, or hard copy companion workshop — excuse me — workbook that goes with these products.

James: Oh, we can do the workshop too. Jennifer: These are all — you’ve actually got two workshops, two online — James: I do. Jennifer: — two 10‐week workshops. Two of them? Not one, no, not one, but two. James: And they’re the most popular. On the Web site, they’re the most popular — popular courses

for, yeah, most popular ones. Jennifer: And one is called Enhancing Your Intuition, a 10‐week program and there’s also Life after Loss.

I think this is incredibly important. There are so many people leaving the planet right now. It’s a wonderful program that really helps you to — how to manage the loss that affects your life.

James: Very much so — very, very much so.


Jennifer: And then we have, as a second option, these are available in CD in MP3, so there’s 10 different products here. And then there’s also your wonderful book, Unfinished Business, is available as a second option. So if none of that appeals to you, we have a really great offer on James’ book. And then option three, of course, you can add the book to the whole package and get a discount — a further discount. And this is a 75 percent off, so James has just been incredibly generous with us. These products are amazing. You can have either the CD or MP3 version. Just as a qualification, option one, you also get the DVD of that really cool movie that we talked about that did so well on CBS, the made‐for‐TV movie inspired by the lifework of James and his best‐selling book, Talking to Heaven. So that is also part of the package. Everyone who orders a package will receive the DVD in the mail. And then the 10‐week course, oh, my God, it’s just an incredible package.

James: And Danson plays me, by the way, because we look so much like. Jennifer: You do. I was going to say that to you. You’re identical. It’s uncanny. James: He only did the — by the way, he only did the movie, because I did a reading, well, I did a

reading for him — it just happened that I did a reading for him — and his father came through and said he’s wearing a herringbone jacket and he’s having whiskey at the fireplace, and you know he’s in heaven if that’s what happened. I said that’s exactly how he used to come back home after work. He used to sit in front of the fireplace, in his herringbone jacket, and whiskey. He died that way of a heart attack.

Jennifer: Oh, my Gosh, is that right? James: So that made him a believer, yeah. Jennifer: Wow, well — James: We used that through the movie. Jennifer: — that is beautiful. So that’s part of it. And on top of that, for people who are not in a place

of financial ability, or are not as interested in the special offer, we have a special gift for you. If you go to the page, and the page is:

specials.healingwiththemasters.com/James. There’s buttons everywhere, and it will also be in the emails that we send you. But: specials.healingwiththemasters.com/James. You go to that page, you scroll down to the very bottom, and you can actually just click that

button. Right‐click on the button, and do that save‐as, and we’ve got a beautiful, special gift download for you. So just go to that page, and actually, I have a feeling that maybe that’s not working at this moment. So it will be working in the next 10 minutes. This is our first show, and this is our first process of giving these things away, so if it’s not working, please go back to the page in a few minutes and go grab your free gift from James. And it’s a beautiful PDF called Living a Fulfilling Life Reference Guide. It’s a wonderful reference guide on tips and


tricks for having a great life. And that is our gift to you from Healing with the Masters and from James Van Praagh. James, thank you so much for hanging out with us this evening.

James: Oh, you’re welcome. Thank you for having me. And everyone should definitely get the book,

because I’m sitting in my garage signing over 400 copies today, so personally autographed by me.

Jennifer: It is a personal autographed book of his new book, which is Unfinished Business. And if you’re

interested in the download gift, please just check out the page. Scroll to the bottom and download your gift. It’s our gift to you. So thank you, James, for hanging out with us tonight.

James: Thank you so much. Jennifer: It’s been a beautiful, beautiful evening. And I want to say to everyone thank you so much for

being part of today’s show. It seems we always come to these calls as individuals, and in the end, we will wind up as a united community, and united in our intention. We know we make the difference. We matter. You matter. I love you all very much, and until next time, good night, everyone.

[End of Discussion]


Volume VIII | August 25, 2011 – December 1, 2011

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Host

Jennifer McLean

James Van Praagh | Featured Guest

Celebrated Medium Co‐Executive Producer of the CBS series Ghost Whisperer VanPraagh.com

James Van Praagh is a “survival evidence medium,” meaning that he is able to bridge the gap between two planes of existence, that of the living and that of the dead, by providing evidential proof of life after death via detailed messages. His very natural, easygoing style would lead you to believe that Van Praagh is chatting with a friend on the telephone, not communicating messages from the grave. “I’m clairsentient,” he explains, “which simply means clear feeling. I feel the emotions and personalities of the deceased. I am also clairvoyant,” he adds, meaning that many times he will actually see the spirit as a solid form and will describe their physical traits. The detailed information conveyed between worlds is not only awe inspiring, but forces people to question their own belief systems, views of reality and preconceptions of life and death. Van Praagh’s popularity began in the early ‘90s on the NBC morning talk show The Other Side. The show concentrated on paranormal issues, and Van Praagh became a favorite guest and resident expert on the subject of life after death. Even Howard Rosenberg, the Los Angeles Times distinguished television critic, dubbed Van Praagh “spectacular.” Through the years his message of hope has touched an abundance of people due to his numerous guest appearances on such shows as Oprah, Larry King Live, 20/20, 48 Hours, and Biography. His unique paranormal experiences during the past twenty‐five years have seen him author best‐selling books, create meditation intuitive programming, a successful state‐of‐the‐art website, conduct seminars to sold‐out audiences, and produce successful television projects. Van Praagh’s unique paranormal experiences during the past twenty‐five years have been recorded in his New York Times best‐selling books Unfinished Business, Ghosts Among Us, Talking To Heaven, Reaching To Heaven, Healing Grief, Heaven and Earth, Looking Beyond: A Teen’s Guide To The Spiritual World, and Meditations with James Van Praagh. As a pioneer in the field, Van Praagh introduced the world to mediumship when he produced a daytime talk show entitled Beyond with James Van Praagh. The show aired in the U.S. from September 2002 through September 2003 and is still showing in syndication in Europe, Australia and Latin America. In April 2002, Van Praagh began an ongoing relationship with the CBS network and produced an incredibly successful miniseries Talking to Heaven inspired by his first book. This miniseries starred Ted Danson and Mary Steenburgen and was the highest rated show for CBS in two years. In October 2004, his second successful CBS project aired entitled The Dead Will Tell starring Anne Heche and Eva Longoria. Van Praagh was Co‐Executive Producer of the hit CBS primetime series Ghost Whisperer starring Jennifer Love Hewitt. This show premiered in September 2005 and became the number one drama for CBS in its time slot. Ghost Whisperer finished its fifth and final season in 2010. In May 2006, Van Praagh signed an overall deal to develop projects for CBS Paramount Network Television. Under this agreement, which covers scripted, reality series and television movies, he also contributed to the entertainment news magazines Entertainment Tonight and The Insider.

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Van Praagh was born in Bayside, New York, and is the youngest of four children. As an average child, he remembers having a tremendous fascination with death. He was raised Catholic and served as an altar boy, entering the seminary at the age of fourteen. It was there that his interest in Catholicism ended and his sense of spirituality began. There were no schools or training that could prepare Van Praagh for his unusual vocation. Indeed, his ability to communicate with the dead arose out of his…well…life. This belief was affirmed by an astonishing encounter that he had when he was only 8 years old. The young boy was praying to God to reveal Himself to him, when an open hand appeared through the ceiling of Van Praagh’s room emitting radiant beams of light. Incredibly, he recounts, “I wasn’t scared. It was actually very peaceful.” Graduating from public high school, he continued to pursue his studies and later graduated from San Francisco State University with a degree in Broadcasting and Communications. You could say that he ended up working in communications, just in a different capacity. After graduation, he moved to Los Angeles where he became involved in metaphysics and psychic phenomena. At 24, the promise of that outstretched palm so many years before was fulfilled. During his early days in Los Angeles, Van Praagh was invited to attend a session with a medium, although he didn’t even know at the time what a medium was. Given that, he was understandably dubious when the medium informed Van Praagh that he would be doing the same work within two years. “My first reaction was, I have enough trouble dealing with the living; why do I want to talk to the dead?” As Van Praagh’s sensitivity increased, he began doing psychic readings for friends. During these readings, he began receiving detailed messages from the beyond. Though at first this seemed bizarre, the more he learned, the more he could not deny the fact that he had the gift to reach beyond the familiar plane of existence we call life. Today, Van Praagh is recognized as one of the foremost mediums in the world. Naturally, there remain skeptics about his abilities. Van Praagh, however, is the first to say that he welcomes healthy skepticism, declaring, in fact, that he is a skeptic himself. “I believe that I am doing this, but I don’t believe that just anyone can do this. All mediums are psychic, but not all psychics are mediums.” A psychic senses energy around the living people or objects. A medium not only senses energy, but is able to interface between the slower vibrations of the physical world and the much faster ones of the spirit world. Though Van Praagh is quick to point out that his gift does not provide insights into the future, he is able to provide detailed evidential proof that a loved one survived death. Surviving death may seem to be the supreme oxymoron, but he has a firm belief that we are all spirit beings, and that there is far more to our life than our lifespan. Ultimately, Van Praagh feels extremely fortunate to be a conduit of comfort, healing, and most importantly, love. “As a medium, I have never experienced anything but love and compassion and healing in my work,” he avows. “It is the love bond between people which allows me to make the connection between the living and the dead.” “There are no words which exist in the English language or any other that can accurately describe the intense sensations, colors and visions expressed by the spirit world” he says. “If I convey recognizable evidence along with even a fraction of the loving energy behind the message, I consider the reading successful.” He assures us that the other side residents are intent on letting their loved ones know they have survived so called “death” and will attempt any way possible to let them know they are still very much alive and are around them all the time. Van Praagh also travels the world teaching mediumship development classes, hosting cruises to spiritual destinations, and conducting sold‐out seminars. He takes pride in having built a website that encourages spiritual learning, grief support and friendships through its many online communities, resources and activities. “The books, CDs, seminars, classes, website and television projects are ways to share my abilities and the message that our personalities do indeed survive death. My greatest satisfaction in doing this is witnessing an instantaneous change in people,” states Van Praagh about his work. “When someone is alone and overwhelmed by grief, life seems over. But when I’m able to help teach someone to make contact with a loved one, their grief and loneliness disappear and proper closure can take place.” And so . . . ”When a bright smile overcomes tears, it becomes a smile that can light up the world!”


Volume VIII | August 25, 2011 – December 1, 2011

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HealingWithTheMasters.com

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Host

Jennifer McLean

Further Information

August 25, 2011

Jennifer McLean

Host of Healing With The Masters Launching Her New Book Body Dialoging: 7 Steps to Coping & Thriving in Extreme Times HealingWithTheMasters.com

September 6, 2011

James Van Praagh

Celebrated Medium Co‐Executive Producer of the CBS series Ghost Whisperer VanPraagh.com

September 8, 2011

Ann Taylor

Energy Healer Delivering the Power Of Inner Healing

InnerHealing.com

September 13, 2011

Jacqueline Joy

Spiritual Teacher Life‐changing creator of Diamond Alignment for Equanimity & Joy DiamondAlignment.com

September 15, 2011

Eric Pearl

Internationally recognized Healer Creator of Reconnective Healing TheReconnection.com


www.healingwiththemaster.com/body-dialoging-with-jennifer-mclean/

www.VanPraagh.com

www.healingwiththemaster.com/james-van-praagh/

www.InnerHealing.com

www.healingwiththemaster.com/ann-taylor/

www.DiamondAlignment.com

www.healingwiththemaster.com/jacqueline-joy/

www.TheReconnection.com

www.healingwiththemaster.com/eric-pearl/


Healing With the Masters: Volume VIII | Further Information (cont’d) September 22, 2011

Marlise Karlin

Internationally renowned Author, Recording Artist, Educator, and Humanitarian “Igniting The Power Of Peace In People Around The World” MarliseKarlin.com

September 20, 2011

Patricia Cota‐Robles

Internationally known Teacher Co‐Founder/President of the non‐profit New Age Study of Humanity’s Purpose, Inc. EraofPeace.org

September 27, 2011

John Gray

Best‐Selling Relationship Author Men Are From Mars, Women Are From Venus and the Mars/Venus book series MarsVenus.com

September 28, 2011

Cynthia Kersey

Best‐Selling Author Motivational Speaker Founder of the UNSTOPPABLE Foundation www.unstoppable.net

September 29, 2011

Sherry Gaba

Celebrity Life Coach Psychotherapist on Celebrity Rehab with Dr. Drew on VH1 SGabaTherapy.com

www.MarliseKarline.com

www.healingwiththemaster.com/Marlise-karline/

www.EraofPeace.org

www.healingwiththemaster.com/patricia-cota-robles/

www.MarsVenus.com

www.healingwiththemaster.com/john-gray/

www.unstoppable.net

www.healingwiththemaster.com/cynthia-kersey/

www.SGabaTherapy.com

www.healingwiththemaster.com/sherry-gaba-2


Healing With the Masters: Volume VIII | Further Information (cont’d) October 4, 2011

Sonia Choquette

International Best‐Selling Hay House Author Spiritual Teacher Distinguished Intuitive Advisor SoniaChoquette.com

October 6, 2011

Rikka Zimmerman

Spreading the seeds of Consciousness around the world. “All of life comes to me with ease, joy and glory!” RikkaZimmerman.com

October 11, 2011

Jo Dunning

World Renowned Spiritual Teacher, Author, and Master of Energy "The Miracle Worker" JoDunning.com

October 12, 2011

Elizabeth Jones

Astrologer Extraordinaire and Gifted Intuitive Revealing the nature of powerful 2011 transitions AstrologyofLight.com

October 13, 2011

Barbara Marx Hubbard

Social Innovator, Speaker, Author, Educator Leader in The New Worldview of Conscious Evolution BarbaraMarxHubbard.com

www.SoniaChoquette.com

www.healingwiththemaster.com/sonia-choquette/

www.RikkaZimmerman.com

www.healingwiththemaster.com/rikka-zimmerman/

www.JoDunning.com

www.healingwiththemaster.com/jo-dunning/

www.AstrologyofLight.com

www.healingwiththemaster.com/elizabeth-jones/

www.BarbaraMarxHubbard.com

www.healingwiththemaster.com/barbara-marx-hubbard/


Healing With the Masters: Volume VIII | Further Information (cont’d) October 18, 2011

Marci Shimoff

#1 New York Times Best‐Selling Author, Transformational Leader Leading Expert on Happiness, Success, and Unconditional Love HappyforNoReason.com

October 20, 2011

Don Miguel Ruiz

Best‐Selling Author of The Four Agreements Toltec Master Founder of The Sixth Sun Foundation MiguelRuiz.com

October 25, 2011

Neale Donald Walsch

Internationally Recognized Spiritual Messenger New York Times Best‐Selling Author of the Conversations With God series NealeDonaldWalsch.com

October 26, 2011

Kaitlyn Keyt

Founder Of VibesUP 3‐Time Visionary Award Winner for her unique healing tools VibesUP.com

October 27, 2011

Maureen Moss

Catalyst for evolution of the human soul 4‐Time Award‐Winning Author President of the World Puja Network Global Keynote Speaker MaureenMoss.com

www.HappyforNoReason.com

www.healingwiththemaster.com/marci-shimoff/

www.MiguelRuiz.com

www.healingwiththemaster.com/don-miguel-ruiz/

www.NealDonaldWalsch.com

www.healingwiththemaster.com/neale-donald-walsch/

www/VibesUP.com

www.healingwiththemaster.com/kaitlyn-keyt-2/

www.maureenmoss.com

www.healingwiththemaster.com/maureen-moss/


Healing With the Masters: Volume VIII | Further Information (cont’d) November 1, 2011

Deborah King

Master Healer New York Times Best‐Selling Health & Wellness Author of Be Your Own Shaman DeborahKingCenter.com

November 3, 2011

Lindsay Wagner

Popular Actress, Advocate of Human Potential Author of “Quiet The Mind & Open The Heart” Workshops and Retreats LindsayWagner.com

November 8, 2011

Bill Bauman

Celebrated Leader of Leaders, Healer of Healers Dedicated Servant of World Servers BillBauman.net

November 10, 2011

Morty & Shelly Lefkoe

Founders of The Lefkoe Institute Morty is the Creator of The Lefkoe Method series Shelly is the Founder and President of the Possibilities of Parenting Center LefkoeInstitute.com

November 15, 2011

Geneen Roth

Oprah Winfrey's Mindful Eating Coach Psychotherapist Specializing in Eating Issues Author of The Self‐Compassion Diet GeneenRoth.com

www.DeborahKingCenter.com

www.healingwiththemaster.com/deborah-king/

www.LindsayWagner.com

www.healingwiththemaster.com/lindsay-wagner/

www.BillBauman.net

www.healingwiththemaster.com/bill-bauman/

www.LefkoeInstitute.com

www.healingwiththemaster.com/morty-shelly-lefkoe/

www.GeneenRoth.com

www.healingwiththemaster.com/geneen-roth/


Healing With the Masters: Volume VIII | Further Information (cont’d) November 17, 2011

Jean Houston

Scholar, Philosopher and Researcher in human capacities Foremost Visionary Thinker Principal Founder of the Human Potential Movement JeanHouston.org

November 22, 2011

Colette Baron‐Reid

Internationally renowned Intuitive Counselor, Educator and Motivational Speaker Best Selling Hay House Author ColetteBaronReid.com

November 29, 2011

Jennifer McLean

Host of Healing With The Masters Launching Her New Book Body Dialoging: 7 Steps to Coping & Thriving in Extreme Times McLeanMasterWorks.com

December 1, 2011

Mary A. Hall

Renowned Healer Abundance Life Coach Author and Speaker MaryAHall.com

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www.healingwiththemaster.com/jean-houston/

www.ColetteBaronReid.com

www.healingwiththemaster.com/colette-baron-reed/

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www.healingwiththemaster.com/jennifer-mclean/

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