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The Fromm Institute For Lifelong Learning at the University of San Francisco2130 Fulton Street • San Francisco, CA 94117 • 415-422-6805 (t) • fromm@usfca.edu (e) • fromm.usfca.edu (w)

FALLING FOR FROMMFor those who have discovered the Fromm Institute and found it to be

a delicious part of their “career free” years, looking forward to what’s on ourfuture educational menu is like finishing a really good meal, and while gratefulfor it, curiously dreaming about dinner tomorrow night. Questions like, “Willit be as tasty?” or “How will it be prepared?” are quickly dispatched when youknow that the same fine ingredients and cooks that have made your supperso good tonight, will be there to make it just as satisfying tomorrow.

The 2017 Spring Session is now winding down and if you’ve been astudent this year, or for years, then you probably know that what lies aheadwill be just as beneficial as what you are enjoying right now. Why? Well, usingthe culinary metaphor, it’s guaranteed to be made from the same fineingredients, Fromm’s focus on college level learning in the Fine Arts,Humanities and Sciences, and will be created by the Michelin star chefs whoare our faculty, our Fromm emeriti, who love doing what they do. Add tothat, the fact that the hosts and servers will be those dedicated men, andthat one sweet woman — the administrative staff of the Fromm Institute —and “from soup to nuts” your next repast here is certain to be another five-star experience the minute you walk in through the doors. Is anybodyhungry yet?

Next session, the Fall 2017 curriculum looks like an amazing buffet banquet and proves the above point perfectly.When you turn the page to see the Fromm Institute’s intended offerings, listed now for the first time by course title,and associated with returning and new faculty (full descriptions and bios to be released in the Fall Catalog on 06/06),you’ll hopefully be ready to make your reservation at Chez Fromm. To facilitate that, for those who are ready, thisannouncement of Fall classes also begins an Earli-Enrollment period, where continuing members of Fromm canselect their individual choices and apply for them with ease. Starting this Fall you’ll also be able to enroll in theFrommcast for Fall 2017, or its Academic Year (four sessions) 2017-2018, and do so with one simple payment, fullyaware of what’s to be broadcast on-line from September to December (see “Enroll in the Frommcast” on page 4).

Yes, it’s all about to begin, or begin again. It’s that time of year when you find yourself loving spring, but fallingfor fall, falling for Fromm, and for our amazing educational experience just for the retired population of the BayArea — soon to be found here on the USF campus. If you act now and enroll during this Earli or the Pre-Enrollmentperiod, when all is said, and done, come early September, you’ll find yourself among the privileged folks who madetheir reservation on-time and before many of the banquet items were no longer available. To whet your taste budsfor that satisfying lifelong learning feast called the Fromm Institute, t urn to page two of this newsletter and discoveranother great “spread” just waiting for you to enjoy it, next autumn. Thanks for being such a loyal and appreciativepatron all year long. “Bon Appetite!”

Issue #4 • May 15, 2017

“It’s guaranteed to be made from the same fine ingredients.”

Fall 2017, Mon., Sept. 11 through Thurs., Nov. 2. “Make-Up” Week for classes cancelled by holiday or a faculty absence isNov. 6 through 9. When considering your enrollment needs, remember the Fromm Institute Office is closed each July.

FALL 2017 COURSESMonday Morning 10 a.m. to 11:40 a.m.

Victorian Anxieties & 19th Century Ideas: 1850 to 1914 Prof. Manfred Wolf

Shakespeare & the Brain, Part Two Prof. Thomas Lewis, M.D.

Monday Afternoon 1 p.m. to 2:40 p.m.

Engaging Shusaku Endo’s Silence Prof. Clare Fischer

Nat King Cole: The Wide, Wide World Prof. Sonny Buxton

Truman to Trump: Changing Nature of the American Presidency Prof. John Rothmann

History of Science from Antiquity to the Scientific Revolution Prof. Darrel Rutkin **

Tuesday Morning 10 a.m. to 11:40 a.m.

The Beginnings of the Protestant Reformation: “Here I Stand” Prof. Charles Fracchia

Women in Love Prof. Michael Zimmerman

Art of Ancient Mexico Prof. James Kohn

Exploring the Universe: Mars to the Stars (and Galaxies) Prof. Andrew Fraknoi **

Tuesday Afternoon 1 p.m. to 2:40 p.m.

A Biography of Your Garden: Plants, Personalities, Peregrinations Prof. Rob Rosborough

Sports in American Culture Prof. Roy Eisenhardt

Musical Pairings Prof. Jonathan Bailey

Wednesday Morning 10 a.m. to 11:40 a.m.

The Medical Lecture Series Coordinated by Melvin Cheitlin, M.D. Eight Different Speakers

Wednesday Mid-Day 11:50 a.m. to 12:50 p.m.

Generation to Generation* Prof. Lisa Wagner

Wednesday Afternoon 1 p.m. to 2:40 p.m.

Art, Dance & Fashion at the Ballet Russes: 1909 to 1929 Prof. Adela Roatcap

The Holocaust & Genocide: Will We Ever Learn? Rabbi Lee Bycel **

America on Stage & Screen: The 1980s Prof. Larry Eilenberg

Thursday Morning 10 a.m. to 11:40 a.m.

A Creative Writing Seminar: ‘The Readiness Is All’ — Write On* Prof. Joan Minninger

Big, Deep & New: Recent Works in Systemic Philosophy Prof. David Peritz

The Economics of Almost Everything Prof. Martin Zelder **

Wagner Without Fear: Adventures in German Opera Prof. Kip Cranna

Thursday Afternoon 1 p.m. to 2:40 p.m.

The Federalist Papers: Part One Prof. Martin Carcieri

Nothing to Fear: New Light on the New Deal Prof. Chris O’Sullivan

Skepticism: Uncertainty as a Virtue Prof. William Garrett

* This seminar (25 student max.) requires active participation and faithful attendance. If requested,

it won’t be immediately confirmed, but will be filled by lottery in mid-August.

** This is a new Fromm Institute faculty member.

IT’S YOUR CHOICE, SIGN UP NOW, OR LATERThe Fall 2017 Course Catalog will be on-line or with you through the U.S. Mail on Tues., June 6, after 5 p.m.

Fall Pre-Enrollment, that time when everybody has an equal chance of getting all their first choice classes, runsfrom Wed., June 7 through 3 p.m. Fri., June 9. If signing up for courses that won’t begin until September seemstoo early, remember that more than 1,000 people enroll through the end of the Pre-Enrollment period! That’smore than two-thirds of all students who’ll ultimately enroll next session.

For the eager among those of you who enrolled this year, (new students must wait for the Courses Catalog’srelease), if you want to avoid sending an email or phoning your choices during Pre-Enrollment, and you knowthe classes in which you’d like to enroll based on these published course titles and professors, you can pick upan Earli-Enroll Form in the Fromm Institute Office now. Select your classes, consider if you want on-line accessto Fromm through the Frommcast (see page 4) and pay your membership fee or scholarship contribution in-person by credit card or check. Your payment will be immediately processed and we’ll handle your applicationright along with all the others received before 3 p.m. on Fri., June 9. Written confirmation of your enrollmentwill be mailed after June 14.

For those who get anxious about classes, or are travelling, enrolling early is a great way to get the task ofyour Fall Session registration out of the way. As noted above, Earli Enrollments will be randomly processed withall the others received through the Pre-Enrollment Period. There’s no preferential advantage to enrolling now,but you’ll have the piece of mind that you’ve taken care of business before this session ends.

. . . AND WHAT ABOUT PARKING? For those interested, there will be an On-Campus Parking Permit Application included in your confirmation of

enrollment packet. The deadline for the return of these applications will be Wednesday, Aug. 16, but wheneveryou apply, your payment will be processed upon receipt. USF On-Campus Parking is expensive and limited,that’s why we encourage you to share the ride/costs through carpools. In our limited inventory of permits, weconsider Disabled Drivers first, then Carpools second in the distribution. If there are any left after that, thedistance from campus determines who gets a Single Driver, non-disabled permit. Should we not be able to offeryou a permit, your application fee will be fully refunded.

COME ONE, COME ALL“Listen & Learn” Presents “Short Play Tuesday” When Else, But A Tuesday, May 16

Staged by the Fromm Playwrights, a 5 year old group of Fromm Institute Studentswho meet each month to read, critique and improve each other’s work, this programof original pieces written and performed by Fromm Institute students is on onceagain. If you ever had doubts about the creativity of our student body, then cometo the Maraschi Room at lunchtime and watch these short works (15 min. max.) ofplays, stories, poems, book chapters, memoirs, and improv. Pre-order a $10 box lunch(sandwich, drink, pasta salad, cookie) from the Fromm Office or the Welcome Boothto enjoy with the program. Our Program will feature: “Desdemona’s Revenge orOthello That Ends Well” by Francis Stillman; “I Have That Hopey-Changey Feeling & My 16 Year Old On Steroids –Two Poems” by Joan Minninger; “Becoming a Homemaker for Myself” by Alexandra Thompsson; “Dinosaur: aPoem” by Diane Price; “Different Languages” by Judy Shulman; and “Mel’s” by Ron Jones.

If you are interested in writing, reading, performing or just observing, contact either: Judy Shulman:judyshulman@hotmail.com or David McClure: dgm9sf@gmail.com. Fromm Playwrights performances areendorsed by the Fromm Institute Student Association (FISA).

ENROLL IN THE FROMMCASTTake the Fromm Institute With YouWherever There’s Internet Access

The Fromm Institute’s robust program of previously recorded classes,lectures, and insights is available to you through the Frommcast, our on-linelifelong learning educational platform. This Fall, Frommcast viewers canselect from the more than two dozen courses posted there, or watch multiplesingle lectures on subjects like Hamilton, Hamlet or Hollywood. With eachSession, the Frommcast library grows — and so does your love of lifelonglearning on-line. Watch it alone, watch it with others, but don’t miss out onlifelong learning’s latest trend.

Consider the Frommcast as your Fromm Institute Summer SessionPick up a copy of the Frommcast Brochure for the Summer of 2017 and look at all the courses you could take

away with you, creating your own personal summer session through the internet. The “AARP Newsletter” callson-line learning-in-retirement courses like the Frommcast, a great way to keep your mind engaged and healthy.It’s trending everywhere. Take Frommcast classes at your own pace on your own computer, or plan to gatherthis summer with friends or neighbors in front of an internet connected big screen over coffee, lunch or “sips.”Watch a lecture and then discuss with your group the class you’ve just viewed. Voila! Just like coming to FrommHall, you’ve established both the intellectual and the social aspects that you cherish.

If you’re already into the Frommcast, renew your membership before June 1. If you need just a littleencouragement and would like to give it a try, come to the Broad Room at noon on May 30, and the BermanRoom on May 31 or June 1. Each of those days the Fromm Institute Staff will hold Sign-Up Sessions that willdemonstrate just how easy it is to become a Frommcast viewer.

Join the Frommcast as You Enroll for Your Fall CoursesStarting with our Earli-Enrollment period, for an additional $50 per session, or $175 per year beyond your

membership fee, ($300 Session Membership, $850 Annual Membership), you can get all the programs, coursesand lectures featured in the Frommcast Library and have timely access to two of the courses being offered inthe Fall 2017 session. Both “Wagner Without Fear: Adventures with the Genius of German Opera” (Prof. Cranna)and “Nothing to Fear: New Light on the New Deal” (Prof. O’Sullivan) will have their lectures posted to theFrommcast a week and a day (Friday at 3 p.m.) after they are presented in Fromm Hall. How’s that for a bonus?If you join the Fall Frommcast, you could attend four classes in real time in our Fromm Hall classrooms and taketwo more via the Internet.

How? Just select FrommcastPlus when you are paying your membership fees adding that additionalFrommcast Access Amount ($50 or $175) to your Session ($300) or Annual Membership ($850) fee. Starting onSeptember 1, head to the Fromm Institute Website fromm.usfca.edu and click on Frommcast. This will take youto the sign-up page and, since you are a FrommcastPlus member, with your password created, all you’ll have todo is click on “Join This Channel,” following the remaining simple instructions noted on the back page of anyFrommcast brochure.

Simple, Easy and AccessibleCome to our Summer Enrollment “Brown Bags” May 30, 31, or June 1, to hear more and to sign up.

FISANEWSFISANEWS—FISA NEWS FISA NEWS—FISANEWSFISANEWS From left to right, Bob Morgan, David McClure, Maxine Einhorn, Frances Pinnock and Susan Kennelly

authored FISA News articles for this newsletter.

IT’S OFFICIAL Single Nominations Ensure Election To Office

Ratification of By-Laws Only In Forthcoming FISA Voting The FISA Ballot Box is ready for you to vote “yes” or “no” on the Revised By-Laws of the Fromm InstituteStudent Association. Pick up a Ballot and make your informed opinion known. A “yes” vote means yousupport the new, revised By-Laws. A “no” vote signifies you’re comfortable with the governing documentsof the Fromm Institute Student Association remaining as they have been for the last few years. Copies ofboth old and new have been, and are, at the FISA Booth. This election runs from Mon., May 15 to Wed., May17. Remember, there’s no school Thurs., May 18 as USF begins its Commencement Exercises then.

As only one candidate was nominated for each of the four FISA Officers positions, you have elected bynomination the following to serve a two-year term starting in September, when the Fromm Institute beginsits next academic year. Congratulation to incumbent President Lois Roach, and new officers, Vice-PresidentLinda Marks, Secretary David McLure, and Treasurer Arlene Waksberg.

COMMAND PERFORMANCES“With Your Student ID Get Those Discounts All Summer” by Bob Morgan

Before you leave for the summer, check out the display racks for info on upcoming and current shows plusseason brochures for many performing arts groups like SF Opera, SF Symphony, ACT and 42nd Street Moon.

Two remaining happenings all in the Maraschi Room at noon! On Wed., May 17, it’s a SF Conservatory•“Jazz Trio” performing. On Wed., May 24, the SF Museum of Performance & Design will talk about theirorganization and their exhibits.Humanities West has added an additional performance, Sat. June 10 at the Marines Memorial Theater•from 6:30-10 p.m. It’s part of their “50th Anniversary of The Summer of Love” program. Students inProf. Unterberger’s course (and those who aren’t) won’t want to miss this event with a performanceby the China Cats, a Grateful Dead tribute band. “Be there or be square,” and as a Fromm student, getyour discounts. Postcards are in the racks.Word for Word is presenting Alan Bennett’s “Smut: An Unseemly Story (The Greening of Mrs.•Donaldson).” If you’ve attended a “W for W” performance or heard them here at Fromm under aCommand Performance “Brown Bag,” you know they take a short story and put it on stage. My highestrecommendation, sure to sell out, so get tickets now. This is one of the funniest performances you’llever see. They’re at Z Space Below, May 10 to June 11.

MATINÉE“Come to the Movies!” by Maxine Einhorn

Below is the remaining Matinée movie calendar linked to Spring courses: History of Russia; RomanticComedies - Hollywood-Style; and The Brothers Karamazov. You don’t have to be enrolled in these courses toattend. Everyone is invited. I’m hoping the films are complementing your courses and bringing you the dramaand delight of the big screen. That is the idea. Look for movie calendars and flyers at the FISA booth, on thenoticeboard in the Atrium and in classrooms. All films take place in the Maraschi Room. The special surprisescheduled for May 31 is our very own Robert Fordham who will introduce his fave Rom-Com after Ruthe’sStein class “Romantic Comedies: Hollywood-Style.” Can you guess what he will have chosen? Here’s a hint,“I Say a Little Prayer.” And remember, if you have ideas and want to suggest films to enrich your programof study, just let me know. Maxine_einhorn@hotmail.com

Wed., May 24 While You Were Sleeping (1995) 1 hour 43 mins 3pmThur., May 25 The Return (2003) 1 hour 45 mins 3pmTues., May 30 The Double (2013) 93 mins 3pmWed., May 31 Robert’s fave Rom-Com. Look for the flyer! 3pm

WELCOME COMMITTEE“How Welcoming Can Lunch, Death and Fall Classes Be?” by Frances Pinnock

Lunch with Mr. D.On Tues., May 16 and Tues., May 23 at noon in the Berman Room, you're invited to lunch. It's not theusual kind of lunch date. You'll have to provide your own food; but Fydor Dostoyevsky (Mr. D.) willprovide a meaty intellectual repast. For 40 minutes he’ll transport you into the world of Mitya, Ivan,Aloysha, Katya and Grushenka via episodes from a recent Russian production of “The BrothersKaramazov.” Watch them try to get out of the mess they’ve made. Probe the depths of humandepravity with them! “Is there is a God?” they wonder! The meaning of life? Suffering? Oh well, youget the picture. Don't miss a scene! Join in their struggle.

Death in VeniceThe Fromm Book Club is unique in several ways. First, it has roughly 1300 members; next, it only meetsonce a semester (this could be changed); and third, it only reads skinny books. (Of course, this too couldbe changed.) As I mentioned in the “Rooftop” of April 17, this Spring Session we are reading Death inVenice, a mere slip of a novella, barely eighty pages long. If you are interested in joining us, bring yourlunch (or don’t) on Thurs., May 25, Noon in the Broad Room and sink into the discreetly sensuous,torridly staid and terminally decadent early 20th century world of Thomas Mann’s Venice. Thanks toCarole Simpson for her help with the Fromm Book Club.

Fall Course Choices Attention new Frommies and the ‘newish’ among us all. Is there a better way to continue to buildcamaraderie than to share our “likes” with each other? That’s what the Welcome Committee will bedoing on Mon., May 22 at noon in the Broad Room. Again, bring your lunch (or don’t), but do stop byif you are wondering about the classes just announced for next Fall. We’ll give you our opinion and alittle sneak peek at the catalog (thanks to Mr. F in the Fromm Office) and we’ll soon discover if you’rethe type of Fromm student who chooses classes according to the popularity of the professor or thecontent of the course? Are you a new student and have some comments you’d like to share with others?You can ask about anything “Fromm” that has been on your mind. If you fit into any of these categoriesand would like to meet with “seasoned” Frommies willing to help and prepared to speak the truth andnothing but the truth, we would love for you to join us!

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FROMM WRITERS READ“Are Your Ready for Two Writers?” By David McClure

Join us on Tues., May 23, Maraschi Room, noon, to hear Fromm authors read from their work. Pre-order a$10 box lunch from the Fromm Office or Welcome Booth to enjoy with the program. We’re featuring twoauthors who’ll have books there, if you’d like to purchase. Our authors are: Ron Jones, Life in the Sunset, amemoir of growing up in San Francisco’s western climes in the 50s and 60s and Donna Kline, An AmericanVirtuoso on the World Stage, a biography of Lucy Hickenlooper who became Olga Samaroff, internationalvirtuoso concert pianist and influential musician when music was still dominated by men and Old Worldprejudices. If you are a published author, please contact me at 415-312-8653 or dgm9sf@gmail.com to haveyour work promoted in this forum endorsed by the Fromm Institute Student Association (FISA) program.

FEATURED ‘FROMMIE’ by Eleanor BurkeHere’s my final “Featured Frommie” for the session. Did I save the best for last? He’d humbly say “no,” butyou be the judge. It’s been great sharing these portraits with you and this one for me was a labor of love fora man who has labored for all of us not only as a fellow student but also as the Executive VP of the Friendsof the Fromm Institute.

Albert FraenkelAlbert (“Al-bear”) wore his characteristic smile, and a T-shirt with a quote, “The

Truly Educated Never Graduate.” This gracious, kind, patient, highly intelligentman started out in Louisiana, thanks to French-speaking relatives who migratedthere from Alsace. Born in 1928, he lived there for 70 years before coming toCalifornia to be close to his kids and grandkids. Albert is a low-no tech fellow, doesnot own a computer or an iPad. He’s also the prototype entrepreneur, an Americansuccess story, who started with one employee making mattresses, sofas andchairs. He did well because, as he says, he loved his customers (a feeling I’m surewas reciprocated) and he treated his employee well. In fact, he ended up givingthe business back to his then 1,106 employees after Congress enacted the

TOUR & TRAVEL‘Future Travels Filling Quickly, But. . .” by Susan Kennelly

It’s not too early to plan your fall/winter holiday! Consider this: “The Historic Trains of Colorado,” whichincludes three National Parks as well as five trains, and does not depart until August – is already Sold Out. AWait List has formed. Our annual Ashland Shakespeare Tour, June 20 to June 23, has a very few spaces left.If you want to be added to either, the wait list for Colorado or to grab one of the few seats left for Ashland,please contact me right away. Meanwhile our “Romantic and Fairy Tale Roads” is about to take off forGermany, July 13 to 24. If you have a hankering for the Southern warmer climes come October, considerPanama. You can tour the Canal without taking a lengthy cruise just to get there. Fly roundtrip, ride a smallship thru the locks, visit a jungle lodge and a pristine beach, then tour the ancient port and the amazingskyscaper-filled modern city, all for a reasonable cost. If you haven’t been to Cuba yet, take advantage of our7th trip, November 2-9, filled with “meet-the-people” experiences that have made Frommies say, “I wouldn’thave missed it.” All flyers in the Activities Hallway.

Join me at noon for “Brown Bags” on May 25 and June 1 at noon in the Maraschi Room to learn more andto sign-up before it’s too late for your future upcoming Happy Travels!

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COURSE EVALUATIONS COMING IN WEEK 8A reminder that you are encouraged to evaluate your course choicesthis session. Course Evaluation Forms will be everywhere in FrommHall starting Tues., May 30. Thank You!

Employee Stock Ownership Plan. He set up a trust and each year sold some stock to the trust until he hadnone left. Most of his employees were African Americans; many were Vietnamese.

Albert went to college at Tulane before going into the navy, serving shore duty in Virginia Beach where hemet and married Eleanor, his wife of 63 years, after a four-day courtship. (That’s not a misprint). Afterward,he moved to Shreveport, where he worked with his uncle before moving to Baton Rouge.

The Depression in New Orleans was a tough time for Albert’s family. While they had to sell everything tomake it through, they had Nonnie, a black nanny from St. James Parish near the river, who came to work forthe family and stayed 80 years. To Nonnie, segregation was the grand injustice she lived with daily. She hadto sit in the back of the bus and drink out of colored water fountains. She lived on Lowerline Street, whichmarked the end of a plantation, next to a cemetery that was divided between blacks and whites. Funeralprocessions would arrive with music, dignitaries and a crowd of people. Black funerals were in black, whitefunerals in white. “It was natural.” Albert went with his nanny to the Second Free Mission Baptist Churchand he remembers that when she was in church, she felt truly at home. Early on, she cared for the Fraenkelkids and their blind grandma, Years later, she moved to Southern California where it was Albert’s turn to takecare of her which he did, until she died eight years ago. Albert says he learned more from her than fromanyone else.

In Louisiana, Albert was a Republican most of the time, a free enterprise lover of competition, smallgovernment, balanced budgets, and hard work, but above all, a man with a social conscience. In the ‘60s hebecame aware of the Civil Rights Movement. During that time he also began teaching business at Tulane andset up the five people Board at Fraenkel Furniture: Albert, his successor, a secretary, and two others — thechairman of Whole Foods Market and a Vice President of Home Depot. Both stayed on until the end.

Every year their family attends a reunion in New Orleans, and everyone in the family is now a Democratwho worries about Trump. Albert bumped into a lot of prejudice there, though Baton Rouge now has afemale, African American mayor.

We talked a bit about Mississippi, where some of my relatives still live. Albert added he would live in Oxford,Mississippi, if he could be with John Grisham and all the other authors in the bookstore on the square of thetown that is home to Ole Miss. It reeks of the old south and its history but let’s not forget that amidst all theterrible mistreatment, rose tremendous heroes like James Meredith, Medgar Evers, Emmet Till, AndrewGoodman, James Chaney, Michael Schwerner, to name just a few.

FROMM CLASSES CANCELLEDDon’t forget that there are no classes meeting on the following dates.Thurs., May 18, USF Commencement Exercises Mon., May 29, Memorial DayIn the next newsletter (Issue #5, Tues., May 30) look for the listing ofyour classes that will meet once more during “Make-Up” Week June 5through June 8.

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