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Home About Publications Sermons Twitter RSS #SOD2014 in two minutes fb.me/2f37I1R1c Retweeted by Ben Myers SchoolofDiscipleship @SOD_14 Expand I just broke my personal record of days without dying today. Retweeted by Ben Myers Grumpy Cat @gurmpycatz Expand Good piece by Naomi Baron on the advantages of using hard copy books in humanities classes shar.es/L3YTL via @chronicle Ben Myers @FaithTheology Expand @davidvergili @NinBazi #Kurds and even the Mullah's joined the protest side by side! #WeAreAllChristians #NO2ISIS pic.twitter.com/jPqyKaedN5 Retweeted by Ben Myers Lawên @Lawwwen 19 Jul 11h 11h 24 Jul Tweets Follow Tweet to @FaithTheology Search Recent Comments Dennis Danielson Hello, Ben. I'm not sure how I stumbled across this chart, but I like it very much! Thanks. I hope you're flourishing. DD Faith and Theology: Social implications of the doctrine of original sin · 5 days ago Ben Myers Go for it, Jordan! Time and again, students are surprised to discover that the primary sources are much easier/more enjoyable/more engaging than the contemporary stuff. So have no fear - it's not... Faith and Theology: The joy of teaching primary Tweet 0 Saturday, 8 April 2006 Qumran and predestination (II) Here is the conclusion to Chris Petersen’s guest-post on the Qumran community’s doctrine of double predestination: So where did Qumran get its strong determinism from? Some scholars suggest the influence of Zoroastrianism. These scholars argue that during the exile when the Persians began to dominate, some of those Jews living in exile assimilated many of the Zoroastrian beliefs into their system, most notably the belief in a dualism between light and darkness. These Jews then synthesized their high view of God's sovereignty with this dualism, thus giving birth to the determinism that finally reached full bloom in the theological system of the Essenes. This is of course only a theory. Nevertheless, what I find intriguing is that the first Christian to formulate a strong doctrine of determinism, Augustine of Hippo, was once part of a religious movement known as Manichaeism which had its origins in Persia and also borrowed dualistic themes from Zoroastrian religion. Now it is usually asserted that Augustine's doctrine of predestination arose out of his conflict with Pelagius. But I can't help wondering if the dualism he associated with in his Manichaean days might have provided the basis for this doctrine, which was subsequently developed during the Pelagian controversies. Now, of course I'm not the first to suggest that Augustine's early Manichaeism influenced much of his later thought. But it’s worth asking whether there is a direct connection between belief in a strong dualism in nature, and belief in a fatalistic or deterministic ordering of that nature. Religious systems that hold to some kind of dualism in nature tend also to have fatalistic and deterministic characteristics. Could this have been the case with Augustine? Could his dualism have led ultimately to his doctrine of predestination? Posted by Ben Myers at 8:31 am 6 Comments Labels: election Related posts: 0 Me gusta Me gusta Faith and Theology: Qumran and predestination (II) http://www.faith-theology.com/2006/04/qumran-and-predestination-ii.html 1 de 9 25/07/2014 9:38

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Home About Publications Sermons Twitter RSS

#SOD2014 in two minutes fb.me/2f37I1R1c

Retweeted by Ben Myers

SchoolofDiscipleship @SOD_14

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I just broke my personal record of days without dying today.

Retweeted by Ben Myers

Grumpy Cat @gurmpycatz

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Good piece by Naomi Baron on the advantages of using hard copy books in humanities classes shar.es/L3YTL via @chronicle

Ben Myers @FaithTheology

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@davidvergili @NinBazi #Kurds and even the Mullah's joined the protest side by side! #WeAreAllChristians #NO2ISIS pic.twitter.com/jPqyKaedN5

Retweeted by Ben Myers

Lawên @Lawwwen

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11h

11h

24 Jul

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Recent Comments

Dennis Danielson

Hello, Ben. I'm not sure how I stumbled across

this chart, but I like it very much! Thanks. I hope

you're flourishing. DD

Faith and Theology: Social implications of the

doctrine of original sin · 5 days ago

Ben Myers

Go for it, Jordan! Time and again, students are

surprised to discover that the primary sources

are much easier/more enjoyable/more engaging

than the contemporary stuff. So have no fear -

it's not...

Faith and Theology: The joy of teaching primary

Tweet 0

Saturday, 8 April 2006

Qumran and predestination (II)

Here is the conclusion to Chris Petersen’s guest-post on the Qumrancommunity’s doctrine of double predestination:

So where did Qumran get its strong determinism from? Some scholarssuggest the influence of Zoroastrianism. These scholars argue thatduring the exile when the Persians began to dominate, some of thoseJews living in exile assimilated many of the Zoroastrian beliefs into theirsystem, most notably the belief in a dualism between light anddarkness. These Jews then synthesized their high view of God'ssovereignty with this dualism, thus giving birth to the determinism thatfinally reached full bloom in the theological system of the Essenes.

This is of course only a theory. Nevertheless, what I find intriguing isthat the first Christian to formulate a strong doctrine of determinism,Augustine of Hippo, was once part of a religious movement known asManichaeism which had its origins in Persia and also borroweddualistic themes from Zoroastrian religion. Now it is usually assertedthat Augustine's doctrine of predestination arose out of his conflict withPelagius. But I can't help wondering if the dualism he associated with inhis Manichaean days might have provided the basis for this doctrine,which was subsequently developed during the Pelagian controversies.

Now, of course I'm not the first to suggest that Augustine's earlyManichaeism influenced much of his later thought. But it’s worth askingwhether there is a direct connection between belief in a strong dualismin nature, and belief in a fatalistic or deterministic ordering of thatnature. Religious systems that hold to some kind of dualism in naturetend also to have fatalistic and deterministic characteristics. Could thishave been the case with Augustine? Could his dualism have ledultimately to his doctrine of predestination?

Posted by Ben Myers at 8:31 am 6 Comments Labels: election

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