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jlDoorkeeper: Attentfon Menbers of the House of Representa-. '

' t'ives. Tùe House will convenè in ten mfnutes. Attentionj- ''

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:e House of Representatives. The House wtll 1- '

convene in five minuies. A11 persons not entitled to the

House floor, please re'tire to the gallery.'b

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jSpeaker Redmond: Let the record sbow the Speaker is n the

Chamber. The House vi1l come to order. Members, please '

be ia their seats. Led in prayer by the Reverend

Krue ger : the Hous e Chap la'in . ''

Reverend Krueger: 'Qn the Name of the Father, the Son and

the Holy Ghost. Amen. 0 Lord, bless this House to Thy

service thts day. Amen. I have been asked to say a

prayer for Anton Kulas, the father of Representatfve

Myron Kulas. His father died. tet us pray. 0 God,

whose mercies cannot be numbered; accept our prayers on

behalf of the soul of Thy servant Anton departedy and

grant him an entrance into the land of light and joy in. (the followship of Thy saints; through Jesus Christ our

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' Lord. Amen. May he rest in Peace and may Light

perpetual shine upon him. Amen. Let us pray. Excuse

me. lt's written in the Book of Matthew , tbe 5tb

chaper, 48th verse. Be therefore perfect, even as your

Father which fs in heaven is perfect. Let us pray.

0 God: who art. the uncreated Creator, the Giver of a11

perfection, we beseech Thee to grant to these Thy

Servants, the Members of this Illinois House of '

Representativesy a speciql sense of direction that will

lead them to pursue ouly that which is goodk'and pérfect

in Thy eyes. May the perfectability which is theirs to

. develop, lead them to exemplary conduct, wisdom and

action; thaty thus inspired and so guided, the governmeit

of this State may be compatible with Thy will and

acceptable by those whom it may effect. Ihis we ask in

the Name of the Son, our Lord Jesus Christ. Amen.''

Speaker Redmond: HPledge of Allegiance to the flag. Repre-l

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sentative Collins.''

coLlins: ''I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag of tbe Enited1 . '

sfaces'of 'America-and to.the Republic for which itI ,

stands, one Nqtiop aunder God, indivisible, with liberty

and justice for a11.''

. Speaker Redmond: ''Comcittee repor&s. Representative Walsh

in the Chamber; Where would you look? That's the

problem. When it's springtime in the Rockfes, Iê11 be

coming back io you. Committee reports.''

clerk o'Brien: ''committee reports. Reprèsentative...''

Speaker Redmond: HI think the House probably better stand at

ease for about fifteen minutes here. . .wefre having a...

problem. We'll stand at ease for fifteen minutes.

Representative Borc:ers.ll

Borchers: ''Mr. Speakery I don't exactly like the attitude you

. . . .standing at ease. That may be a good Navy term of

which you were boasting so boastfully yesterday to me

about. ' Now 1 vant you to know standing at ease for. ..we

. ' ffellows in the Army means we ve got to stand something

like this and maybe'havea rifle for fifteen minutes in our '

hands and that's a11 we can do. Why donft you lust say

) y rastemporarily dismissed or reassemble in fift en m nu

instead of using obsolete and ridiculous Naval terms in

the House of Representatives in the State of Illinoiy.l'

Speaker Redmond: Hsomebody.. .somebody told me that when you

were at attention to look like you were at parade rest.''

Borchers: ''Parade rest? Well, I'n listeping a little bit.

That's very clever. And another thing I'd. - would like

to protest.n this House we have a.. .Representatlve

Scbneider, who pulls off on tbe most terrible puns. . .puns

youfve ever heard. Now I hope thét you don't follow his

example.because his puns are terrible and yours are

beginnfng to look like therelre worse.''

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iSpeaker Redmond: ''Thatês a terrible indictment. Representative

Friedrich.''

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3.Friedrich: MMr. Speaker, is opr problem of such a nature that

: .we couldn't read in the Commiytee reports. I've never

seen a controyèrsial'cbmpiyyq: report yet.''

S $ e a k e r R e d ao n d : '' 0k ay-; . v e'-' .11 . '. : i t ! s a lr i g 1A t w i t h me . We ' l 1

be back...committee reports. Representatlve Boucek.''

Boucek: nMr. Speaker: in spite of.what Representative

Borchers said about you, it's nice to see you back on

even ground.''

Speaker Redmond: 'llt was snowing yesterday. Committee reportsu'

Clerk o'Brien; NRepresentative Capparelli, Chairman of the

Committee on Executive to which the following Bills were

referred, action taken May 11, 1979, reported the same

back with the following recommendations; do pass:

House Bills 520, 1278, 1617, 2357, 2360 and 2764. Do

pass as amended; House Bills 1384 and 2358. Interum

Study; House Bills 147, 210, 314, 517, 846, 1001, 1378,

2359, 2361, 2457, 2458, 2459, 2460, 2465, 2466, 2468,

2469, 2470, 2499 and 2760. Representative Garmisa,

Chairman of the Committee on Transportation to which the

followiag Bills were referred, action taken May 11, 1979

reported tbe same back with the following recommendations.

do pass Short Debate Calendar, House Bill 2501.''

Gaknown: ''Thank you: Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, whfle vefre standing at ease herey Just for the

purpose of an introduction. I have in the gallery to...

right in back of me> the students...some students from

the Puffer Petty School in Dowpers Grove, District 69

and their instructeré Mr. Mike Fease. And of course:

their represented by Representative Dyer and Schneider

and Senator Bowers and I would have you welcome these

students from Downers Grove, Dupage County.''

Pnknown: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We also have another

momentous occasion here today too and he is right here.

You talk about dedicated servicey Representative

Christensen is sitting right here on the job and itïs

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happy birtiday.''

B o r ch e r s : '' Fe llow Memb e r s o f t'hr'e'l 11 dus e' ' 1' 'Ch:éve'' .h'e r'e '''s'J me t h i n g

I'm very proud of that was gike'n 'to me''fhis no'rning...Mr.

Representative Waddelf: Br'uce Waddell: presented it to

me, Iîm really very proud of it. He tells me itfs from

the alumni of the University of Illinois. So here it is,

it's a bronze.t It's because of the chief Illiniwek df *he

university: has a seal of the university...the U of I and

o f t h e c ou r s e th e ch i e f . . . ch i e f Illiniwek . B u t .1 th ink

it's very nice. might...l might say some of you who

just gave this war hoop, I've looked over real quickly

some of the scouts here,theyfre in excellent condition

and should be taken and a few of you don't qualify at

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Anderson: ''Members of the House, could I have your attention?

0ne more introduction, in the rear of the Chamber, above

the Speaker, I would like to introduce Representative

Ackerman's father. Would you stand: please?'l

Unknown: 'Q 'd like to take a moment of your time to introduce

a group of students from Webster Elementary School in

Collinsville, basketball capïtol of Illinois. There's

45 students here with Mrs. Herring and Mrs. Bumgardner

and they are represented by myself, Mike Slape and

Dwight Friedrfch. Theyfre back over here.''

Pierce: 'ltadies and Gentlemen, Members of the House, we have

a group in the balcony from a small country church in

Lake County, Fremont Centery Illinois, St. Mary 's Parish.

j , 4 *believe it s Father Morarory with the group right

up here. Will you all stand up?' From mere Mundaline

Illinois, Fremont Center, Illinois, Maryls. A

beautiful church in the'country. And also representing

the district, also representing the district are

Representatives Deuster. Don Deuster and Betty Lou Reed.'' '

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Bullock: ''Ladtes and Gentlemen of the House, I wou'ld like to

k introduction. We have.with.usrtléay.seà'ie'dk.sin' :.ma e an

the gallery to the right, my right, dire'ctly.above the.. '

Republican sfde of the aisley the Johnsonfs Elementary

School from the great West side of the City of'chicago

which encompasses tbe Nineteenth Legislative Districty

represented by Representative Buff, Domico and Senator

DêArco. Let's give Ms. Walker qnd the Johnson School

a big hand.'' '

Matijevich: HThis is not for the purpose of an introduction.

But I've been on the floor for two hours, I'm here to

work and two hours ago I came on the floor, we had the

Pledge of Allegiance, we had the prayer, by the way and

a11 of' us are here to work. 'We know that soiethfng is

going on in the back...in the back room. It should 'all

' be up here in front. We believe that a1l of government

ought to be open, tbat it should be here and we know that

there's problems with the Office of Education budget, we

know everything can be resolved. We can probably resolve

it quicker on the floor then they can in that back room.

And 1'11 tell you. if somebody doesn't come out here

pretty soon, even if itls fllegal, I'm going to make a

motion to adjourn. And...so letfs get somebody out here

that wants to work. Get the leaders out here. Everybody

here fs löoking for a leader to follow and.there's

nobody hère to follow. We don't have a leader. So let's

get out here. I hope the mike is on in the Speaker's

office. Let's get going. It's two hours...and we're

ready to go.''

Kane: ''Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, up in our gallery

to the left is a group of students from Southeast High

I School here in Springfield represented by RepresentativeOblinger, Jones and myself. If you would wave, Josephine

and then make a motion to adjourn.''

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Matijevich: HMr. Speaker, Aadies and Gentlemen of the House,

purposes of an introduction. The Mason Upper GradelI Center School, Mrs. Young.and Mrs. Williams accompan#ing .

the group. They are from the 25th district and their. .

Representatives are Ed Kornowicz, Bob Terzich and Bianco

. . .Veto Bianco. I mean Vic...Phi1, Phil, thatls rigbt.

I've got Veto in my home town. Mr. Speaker, Ladfes and

Gentlemen of the House, for the purpose of an introductio ,

from the Cohen School, Mrs. Smithy Mrs. Robinson and

Mrs. Sanders are with the group. Theylre from tbe 28th

district repxesented by Emil Jones, Ted Meyer and Jim

Keane...and...''

Speaker Redmond: HLet the record show the Speaker is in tbe

Chamber. I found another scandel that...out on the

floor. I understand that either the grandson or the

great grandson of Cornelius O'Connor, formly a Democrati

Member of the House of Representatives, is now serving

in the House. I wonder if he will identify himself.

Representative Hallock.''

Hallock: uYes, Sir, it was Cornelius o'Connor, my great

grandfather who proudly served the people of Belvedere

back in the 41st General...u

Speaker Redmond/ nWhat party was he indll

Hallocki 1'1901.''

Speaker Redmond: ''What party was he in?''

Hallock: ''We1l, he was a Democrat. Later on in life he had

the sagacity to change parties.''

Speaker Redmond: ''Does anybody else desire to expiate his

. . Representative Birkinbine do you have any

Democratic scandals or....'d

Birkinbine: ''No, but I'd like to know- .but 1 would like to

know what history book you#re reading, Mr. Speaker.''

speaker Redmond: ''Wel1 some of it people tell me and...Repre-

sentative 'Deuster.''

Deuster: ''It's time to tell the truth about one of my ancestor ,1. ''G r ' ..+ * e 6*loh % r G E N E R A L A S S E 5 f B L Yt. wt P t 5 .z l .7 9- ; W?.z . j,g -n z j s m g m c o v I u u l sl o T s. . . ,f . .Jx,D i

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f l 1ow by t he n ame o f Y e t e r De us t e r wh o wa s a D emo c r a t i. . a e'c..>

,A .- M . Congressman from Milwaukee. And he never canpaigned in -

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..v Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Leinenweber.'' : '

. Leiaeaweber: ''Mr. Speaker: ba'ck in 1960, my wife voted ia the

Democratic primary.f'

Speaker Redmond: ''And your father-in-law was a Democratic ''

jy .State Central Commftteemaa. Representative Skinner.

. Skinner: ''Mr. Speaker, 1 admft that my grandfather was a

Democratic county board member in Queen Ann's County,

Maryland.toand so was his father.'f

Speaker Redmond: MNow Representative Mahar.''

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Mahar: HMr. Speaker, I voted for Harry Truman in 1948 because

he was artillery captain.''

Speaker Redmond: 'lGod bless Harry Truman. Representative '

Stuffle.

Stuffle: HYes, tp prove that you can go the right direction ,

my grandfather who raised me was a Republican Precinet

Captain for forty-two years and the Vice-chairman of

the Republican Pary in Coles County.l' '

Speaker Redmond: l'Did he ever carry bis precinctk''.

Stuffle: uNo but...''#

Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Gene Barnes for an

announcement.n

Barnes: ''Thank you very much. Mr. Speaker and Members of the

House, the Appropriations 11 will be, with leave of the

Houses che Appropriations 11 Committee will be meeting

immediately in Room 118 for aproximately forty-five

mfnutes untfl about 4:30.'f

Speaker Redmond: dRol1 Call for Attendance. Representative

Borchers.'' '

Borchers: HMr. Speaker, I just want to point out, by counting '

I see the majority of us are now Republican and have

seen tbe true light.''

Speaker Redmond: HRepresentative Telcser.''

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Telcser: '1Mr. Speaker, I'd like to oblect to the Gentl'eman's

request. Mr. Speakers you and the. Members on your side

of.the aisle have been closeted in the back room, yqou

. .did not give the Minority Leader or any Members of our

' side of the aisle any chance to be privy to your

conversation as to how this House is being run today.

Now Mr. Speaker, weîd like to knoy what youire going

to do, what your intpntloas are. You know there are

many motions on the Calendar which must be called today.

Youfre preceding in a very unorthidoxed fashion and until

such time you give Representative Ryaa at least the

opportunity to talk with you as to what your plans are,

I would like to object to the Gentlemanîs request to

have a Committee meeting.''

Speaker Redmoad: HI thought you were reformed: I didn't know

youdre orthidox. Representative Barnes is Chairman of

the Appropriations Committee.''

Barnes: HYes aéain, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House,

with leave of the House, request that the Appropriations

Committee 11 would be given forty-five minutes or until

approximately 4:30 to reconvene 4n Room 118.19

Speaker Redmond HRepresentative..my understanding is that

the Appro'priation Committee recessed. Representative

Barnes is now calling them bacf and that's perfectly in

order. Now, it's our intention that we will stand in

recess to permit the Appropriation Committee to meet

Now I would like to proceed wfth noncontroversfal matters

on the floor, get permission w'hile the Appropriation

Committee is in sessioa. Nov, if the Repuslicans object

to that, then we will just stand in recess and we'll

be back and the intention is to çall a1l motions today.

Representative Walsh.''

Walsh: ''Mr. Speaker,'Representative Mugalian has a motion

before you recess...''

Speaker Redmond: 'rRight at the moment, the request is on the

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recespg The House will stand in recess for forty-five

minutès to permit the Appropriation Committee to meet.' ' .

- 'v.Höuse.zis.in recesso.for forty-five minutes.

Doorkeeper: ''Attention Mèmbers of the House of Representatives

the House will convene in ten minutes. A11 persons not

entitled to the House floor, please retire to the gallen .''

Speaker Redmond: ''He plays the pianos too. understand that

G 'd I think it'swe have either the Great, great ran son,

the Great, great Grandson or the Great-great-great

Grandson of Thomas Jefferson serving in the House. Will

the person stand up who answers that description.

R tative Neff...is a Great-great-gieat Grandsonepresen

of Thomas Jefferson. And we also...Representative'

11Ewing.

Ewing: nMr. Speaker, I didn't think Jefferson had any

. deàcendants/'

Speaker Redmond: HWe11 take a 1ook...'''

Ewing: ''Is that a legitimate grandson?''

speaker Redmond: ''Take a look at Clarence, he wasw..j '

Representative ZcAuliffe.''

McAuliffe; ''We11, Mr. Speaker, since everybody is confessing

their sordid background, just wanted to say that my

father told me befdre he died that in 1932 he voted

for Franklin Roosevelt, that be excepted when he died

that he would have to serve at least ten years in

pergatory for tbat great sia.''

Speaker Redmond: HI understand we have a former president of

Young Republicans of one of the downstate counties, is

that Gentleman care to be identified? Young Democrats.

Is that Gentleman...care to be identified? Representa-

tive Ewing.''

Ewing: HMr. Speaker, Representative Kent has just reminded

me tbat this is Mother's Day weekend and she'd like to

go home. Maybe we ought to recognize al1 the mothers

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Speaker Redmond: ''Wi11 a11 the mothers please raise their

hand. Representative Satterthwaite.''. . w . . . < . . 'L . ' 1 '

Satterthwaite: . ''Mr. Sppakyr an# r>ybers of the House, I know. ' . . r :. . . ;

it's been diffigult for .us,.po keep up with a11 the Bills' .. v ' 't v . . . :. ) .'; - ' ..

' that are before us but I know that I have some correspon-

dence about geneylogy Bills. Has those Bills been

amended in Committee to include genealogr in terms of

political hkstory too?''

Speaker Redmond: î'I don't know. Representative Kosinski.''

Kosinski: MMr. Chairman, I...there's been a misunderstandingy

we thought you said, 'muggersf.''

Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Slape.''

Slape: ''Mr. Speaker, did that young Democrat president ever

stand up?C''

Speaker Redmond: HNo> he didn't, he's not here. Representative

Borchers.''

Borchers: ''I feel that I have a certain degree'of knowledge

about history, so I would like to ask Representative

Neff if he really has checked back in relation to just

which one that he descends from? Itls very possible that

this is so, but is an interesting background that Ifm ot(.

going to go into. I don't think I have the time. But

would likç to say something tbat...based on the other

day, I can claim, actually a certain amount of right to

my membership in the original Democratic and original

Republican party. happened that the...that the Tenth

Legion for Democracy was' orgaaized in Rockingham County,

Virginia, by Thomas Jefferson who lived in Rockingham

Countyy Virginia. And my Great-great-great Grandfather

was one of the members of the Tenth Legion for Democracy

organized by Thomas Jefferson. So itîs now obvious to me

that some.of my folks knew Neff's folks at that timey but

we didn't know it until right now. But...but Clarence,

you better check up which branch youfre descended from

as a matter of curiousity.'l

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Yourell: ''Yes is the

l . .'1 p r o c e s s' t o n i gh t . ''. j ;' . . .

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House will come to order.n

fYourell: HThank you.''

rr ' ,fSpeaker Redmond: Representative Carol Braun.

Braun: ''Mr. Speaker, I understand there's some indication

that it might be the branch of tbe Thomas Jeffersonl

l family descended from Mrs. Sally Hemming.''l

''2 ' 11 come to order. RepresentativeSpeaker Redmond: ouse wi

Tetscer/' Telscerz'

Telscer: ''Mr. Speaker, itfs been a very long day today, we've

had a number problems. I know you have on your side I'

Speaker, I would like to move that 1:of the aisle. Mr.I

we extend the deadline on House Bills in Committee. .'' jI

ized for that. purpose at this 1Speaker Redmond: MNot recognI1

time...at this time. On the Order of Motions. Therels jl

a motion with respect to House Bill 5. Representative II 1$ .

. . II Pierce. Representative Mcclain, for what purpose do you l

' lr i s e ? ' ' 1

IMcclafn: llThank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Pferces by hfs own 6I

motion in our Committee,'placed House Bill 5 in Interim l11 '

Study.

speaker Redmond: Tokay. 17, Huskey. Whatfs your pleasure?''

Huskey: ''Mr. Speaker, move that we discharge the Committee .- . l

of Cities and Villages and bring Rouse Bill 17 to the !

House floor for Second Reading. I donrt...l don't feel

that I had a fair hearing on this Bill due to the

polarization of the vote in tbe Committee. The vote 1l

tied 6 to 6. There was some Members absent and is a

good Bi1l, it should be debated. It is a Bill that a 11large group of mayors came to me...'' :

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lspeaker Redmond: ''Representative Yourell.'' 1

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. motion to discharge and not...' .' ...'.' .. . . : . . .. .

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,, ' ,,Speaker Redmond: Representative Collins.

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Collins: ''We1l, Mr. Speaker, I think this is unwo'rtby of you

to start calling these motions at this time. You have

imposed upon the Houpe for this entire day while' we sat '

doing nothing while you were playing some kind of gamej 1j back in your office back there. I think this is irre- l1

j sponsible, reprehensible and...well below you andcertainly unworthy of any action of any Speaker of this

House. on Friday night at...after six o'clock to get

into this order of business after you ran roughshod over'

jh e righ ts o f this Hous e a11 day long , I ' think is t o t a 11y 1t 1'

jirresponstble, it's.- it's contemptable. And I urge you/l

' !Mr. Speaker, to insist on this course of actfon, let's 'j

Iadjourn this House, let's extend these deadlines and l

's go home like responsible people. Youy yourselfy 1.1et1

said that you wouldn't overwork these people by having 11#

' 1' I them their five days this week. And now you...you

prefer to work a11 nfght long on Friday night. This is 1i

' jridiculous, ludicrous, contemptable and you ought to. l,

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jadjourn this House rigbt now.''''R ' tative Yourell.''speaker Redmond: epresen

Yourell: ''Yess unless the Gentleman has a motion, be's out

of order.'' 'li

Speaker Redmond: HRepresentative Ryan.''

Ryan: ''Mr. Speaker, in the last hour as we sat downstairs and

watched the deals being cut in the Appropriation

Committee meeting. Representative Lechowicz, who I

Ibelieve is one of your leaders, had told me that you were'' . jgoing to move to suspend the...motions until next

ITuesday. Are you paying attention to me, Mr. Speaker?. '

!ùe I'm talking to you.'' iWi11 you pay attention becau

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Ryan: HWe11 I said that Representative Lechowicz came dow'n'-

stairs, who's part of your leadership, and' said tha't the '

j . ' .11I motions would be suspended until Tuesday and spreéd tàat! . . ' 'information a11 over the Ch

amber and several Memberslleft based on thatpremise.''

S p e aker Redmond ; lî Rep res en tat ive Yourelly what purpose do you rise?''

Yourell: ''Yes, I think welre under discussion on an overrid'e

. . .a discharge motion and anything that is extqmporaneous

l or extraneous of that motion is out of order. .Now what '1

we ought to be considering is the motion of Representa-

tive Huskey to discharge the Committee on House Bill 17.19

Speaker Redmond : l'Representat ive Greiman , f or what purpose do

ou ris e ? 11Yl

''We11 Mr. Speaker, Representative Yourell rose on 1Greiman: ,l

l what he precçives, I guess, to be.a point of order and jthat's with respect to the scope of debate in a motion !

i1to discharge. You...he suggests that you cannot go into )!t

the merits of the Bill on. .on a motion to discharge and f! . 'i'

jl the Parliamentarian did not rule on that. Mr.1 !

IParliamentarians I would recommend that you...unless jI

't believe there 1there are some rule in our rules, I don1is on its on Rule 35 of Robert's Rules of Order, Sub- .

lsection 5, it says that it is in fact a motion to dis-' jcharge a Committee is debatable, debate can go into the '

merits of the question in the hands of the Committee.l

And accordinglyy he can go beyond the scope of tbe meritslilof the discharge itsèlf and go into the scope...to have

within the scope of the debate the merits of the Bill

itself. And 1 would recommend that you look on page

261 of Robert's Rules of Order. And maybe there's a 1l

ision in our own rules that says to yhe contrary, lprovII don't think there is.''

speaker Redmond: ''I think that the...judging...judging from ili

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the tender of the group bere, I think we probably better )!

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t the Representatlve Mugalian's motion. Wait a . '

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minute, now where's...have you got his motion there, . .

' ' .. . l Rep re s en t a t ive Mu g a li aa ? '' . :'l .

. .. i jI jIj Mugalian: Yes. Should I read it or should the Clerk read .. .' j

it? I have a copy ia front of me.'' . ' ''

S k Redmond: ''Representative Ryan.'' 'pea er

Ryan: ffWell, has Representative Huskey withdrawn his motion?''1

' Speaker Redmond: HWe11...n '

Ryan: HTake it out of the record.''

,1 1 1.j' Speaker Redmond: 'lBetter take it but of the recofd right at l

h Y ' t ''i t ? ''t e mome n t . o u g o l .

Clerk o'Brien: HMotion. I move that the Appropriate Rules,

including Rule 25 (d) and Rule 33 (b) be suspended until '

May l6, 1979 to permit consideration of al1 motions toI' idischarge Committee aad that such motions be set for '!

1 P.M. Tuesday, May 15, 1979.''

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Mugalian: .HMay I speak to the motion, Mr....'' Ij '

. yf jSpeaker Redmond: Representative Mugalian, will you come up '. . . . . j

here?r' Representative'Meyers.î' i .kl j

l Meyers: ''Just an observation, Mr. Speaker. If we don't do )! 1

, these motions tonight and we do them next week, how are j .I1 Ij we going to get all'the House Bills out next week? Why (

I1 don't we suspend the- .the deadline to the House Bills t' j

with the same rule?''

Speaker Redmond: ''Two...we have two'weeks to.do that.'''

Meyer: ''Two weeks?''

Speaker Redmond: ''Yes.''' iMeyer: ''Thank you . I stand corrected.'' ' '

. i' jSpeaker Redmond: 'îWhere's Mugalian? Representative Mugalian.''

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' lMugalian: ''Mr. Speaker, it has been pointed out that it might i

!1be a bad practice if this motion were not limited tol

l .those motions filed as of now. And I would agree to 1j

either amend it on the face...so that the motions called )on.:.next Tuesdày at 1 o'clock, motions to discharge, i;

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l5.Speaker Redmond: HDoes he have leave to amend the motion on

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yjl . tive Yourell.1 yr' ! Yourell: Object to that, Mr. Speaker. A11 of the motionsj i '. -'' - . 'l .th

at are on file are on the Calendar today. Now, itltakes votes to honor Represeatative Mugalian's

motion.''

Speaker Redmond: ''That is correct. That is correct.l'

Yourell: ''Now if this Body wants to go to 107 votes, that's

' fine with me. But I want to remind everybody on theI .1. floor of this House, b0th Democrat and Republican, thatI

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we have been tied up for six hours for nothing because a4.

certain segment of this House thought that they had some-

thing that was worthwhile. Now if you persist, Mr.. I

Speaker,'in calling this motion, it takes 107 votes to 1. 1

Override and tO eliminate Or delay the deadlinez'

SPeaker Redmond: ''That is correct and 1 am going to Put the !Ij

R tative Wikoff.'' lmotion . epresen

Wikoff: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker, parliamentary inquiry.j jl

I 1According to Rule 66 the motion must be in writingl I IIand should be carried on a daily Calendar for tbe nextI . l

' ILegislative Day under tbe Order of Motions. Was thisi

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speaker Redmond: ''The Parliameùtarian advises me that thisi

ysat ss a I. . .that rule does not apply to this motion.

discharge, this is a suspensioa. Anything furtber?

Question is on .Representativé Mugalian's motion. Wait' l

a minute. Motions that are filed as of now. That was ';

the motion, wasn't Representative Mugalian?'' '

M galian : ''P ar don . ''Plspeaker Redmond: ''Your motion was that tbe deadline.- state 'l

' jyour motioa.''

. 1Mugalian: ''Motion is that the Appropriate Rules be suspended '

1' juntil May l6, which is Wednesday, to permit considerationI

1of a11 motions to discharge'committee and that such !

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o t i on s '.'tl4 at '.ar e on f i l e n ow , y e s . My b e l i e f i sj M. t! g a . . .1 . that those a:e the filed motions as of today should beI 1 ' .,1 . .

j entitled to a full hearing on their motions and at atime where they'll be some kind of attendance where

they would have a chance. It is not my intention toI '

add another...dozens and dozens of motions that may be

filed after..xafter this hour.'l .

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speaker Redmond: ''Would you read the motion again, Mr. Clerk?l .I fj 'RepresentaEive Ryan. . ,I .Ryan: ''Mr. Speaker, bow many motions are on file that aren't

on today's Calendarr'

speaker Redmond: 'îI haven't the slightest idea. Two. John. 1

ltells me there's two.n .I''So wefre talking about a11 the motions that are on 1Ryan:

' Ithe Calendar plus the two that have been filed.'' !

' jspeaker Redmond: ''Rfght. Right.'' l

lR an : ''Yes tha t ' s what we ' re ta lkin g ab out . '' $Y

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j j . i''N he tells me itfs one. The ones that !1 Speàker Redmond: owl l1 11 lare on the Calendar plus one.

Ryan: Alright. j

uRepresenotative Collins.'' l 'Speaker Redmond:

collins: ''Would you ask the Parliamentarian, are we now

suspendiag Rule 25 (d) and 33 (b)?''

Speaker Redmond: ''25 (d) and what else?''

C o 11 i n s : '' 33 (b ) '' '' 1

Speaker Redmond: 1133 (b). Yes.'' l

. collins: ''Thank you.''

speaker Redmond: ''Are you ready for the question? Representa-l

t ive Ma tij evi ch . Representative Matijevfch is recognized . 1

Matijevich: ''Mr. Speaker, I think...''

Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Matijevich.''I

. IMatijevich: ''l think this is debatable. And I'd like to say ?.. 1that earlier in the day I'm sure I would have supported I

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this motion as my objection to what was going on. 3ut

I think .theomore.wresponsible vote...the only vote I'm

g o in g t o .s up p o r.t n cssw'. . i's g o i a g t o b e a mo t i on t o ad j o urn

I and i t 1 s no t i n .'o r d e r, '.b e cau s e we h aven ' t p a s s e d on an. j . . ' ..Adjournment Resolution. And the reason I say that is,' 1 . .

that I had nothing to do with original extention of a11

the Committees. I thought that was a bad thing. Every

Chairman of every Committee, except Herald Katz, thougbt

. that was a bad thing. And when I had heard that Herald

' t Katz had advised the Speaker that that's what is going 'I .

l to h'appen, I told the Committee Chairman ié's going to .

happen. When Herald Katz talks he's like E.F. Huttons

they a11 listen. Now that was a bad move. Now I1m

telling you that this is will also be a bad move because

Iwe are. . .going to spend al1 of Tuesday, at least, on

these motions. We know on Tuesday there will probablyI Ibe a full House, not until probably 2 in the afternoony I1

. * jso everything is shot until about 2 o'clock in the. 1

l' Jafternoon or...or the other thing that will happen is 1

l j tthe Speaker will go on at 10 o'clock Tuesday morning and. . !! ''

, 1j he s going to go through those motions, none of you aregotng to be here, and they're a11 going to fail. So Idoa't think by extending it until Tuesday any of your

Imotions are going to be voted on favorably. They're

al1 going to be killed. So the easiest way to kill them

is by havtng a motion to adlourn and kill it all. A11 lf Illinois, lof state government; a1l of the people o

l' jqovernment will go on and I say that at this time the I

' Ionly good motion is one to adjourn and that's the one 1.

I1m going to support.''

' speaker Redmond: HRepresentative Greiman.'' lll

Greiman: ''I bei Representative Matijevich doesn't have a

motion to discharge, I bet be doesn't. I have a motion ll ito discharge...l...a Bi11 dealing with nuclear moratorium.l

. lI ffled it on April the 26th, I filed it a long time ago.!

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We re on the motion. We re pn this motion which is

ebatable.

. . . j ) . v; ; ' . ' z ' . '''l f ; ' ' ' - '' ' ' ' 'Speaker Redmond: Represèùtàtivl Yoùrell, for Vhat purposeIl d - i s e ? ' ' ' ' ' ' ' 'i o y o u r

..l !l Yourell: I don t think thié dirowe is iù order, Mr. Speaker.

I think we have a motion befobe the House presented by

Representative Mugalian that requires a vote.''

lspeaker Redmond: ''I think you're absolutely right. Representan

tive Friedrich, for what purpose do you rise?''j '

j Friedrich: HMr. Speaker, youlre asking us to vote on a motionand you've never read it a11 the way tbrough. You've

jabbered back and forth with the Sponsor of the motion'

. y,and not one time has it been read a11 the way through...

Speaker Redmond: ''Okay, will you read the motion.''

l '' ' ' ''Friedrich: HAlright, thatês number one... lIl

speaker Redmond: ''I would like to apolojize to the Membership j' jI1 of this House

. . What has happened today I assume full 11 .responsibility for. I1m embprrassed. I personally...

if I could have done it differently, I would have done 1I l!l

h t's beyondaimy control. There are !I tt differently, but t a1 ! .I .

1 Members that hav,e had motions on tbe Calendar that I had IIltntended to call today but we were prevented from doing i

in I tntend to cazz aepresentacive Mugalian's mottoa l 'and I Wish yOu Would bear with me. It's a situation

that I apologize for and I would hope that we never have

it .happen again. Representative Greiman. Representative Greiman/'

H ly Whetber the motion Once stated ljGreiman: My inquiry is mere'

twill be a debatable motion or whether the silence in myIl

. microphone indicates that it's not debatable. That's

inquiry.f' 'my

'Q think the best thing we can do is get to 1Speaker Redmond:I

the count on the motion, quite frankly. Everybody gets I

excited about points of order.''l

'' ' ' debatable. Is that what you#re 1Greinan: Well then it s notl

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r e c o gn i z e d . ''

Gre iman : ''That is d eb atab le . I t 1 > ei the r- n2qb a.t >.b 1e) tor .'qpat' ... .

debatable, I don't know which.'' ' '

Speaker Redmond: HWaït a minute. Mr. Parlfamentarian, is it

debatable? Yeah. Representative Van Duyne.'f

1, ' jVan Duyne: Mr. Chairman, I d lfke to move the previous

question.''

Speaker Redmond: ''There's a parliamentary...Representative

' 'Matijevicb.f'Ijî ' , fMatijevich: Mr. Speaker, and I don t know if you 11 recognize

me for it, but I uaderstand that a motion to adjourn

even though we have not passéd on an adjourment Resolutionlis in order if we adlourn in no more than three days. 1

IAnd if that's truey I now make the motion that we adjourn.lli

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Speaker Redmond: HI think youlre...we have to adopt the $IAdjourament Resolution: Representative Matijevich. I

1. (Representative Yourell. 1

1Yourell: ''Yes, and I appreciate Rep<esent#tive Matijevich's j!

attempt tœre' ally' cb wh at I wan t to do . But I want t o give 1.. . . l1 '!'

everyêlMember of this House an opportunity to cast a vote 1l .and that requires 107 votes to either extend the limits

for the dischayge of Bills from Committee or to end itright now. Now Representative...the Gentleman that

spoke to the issue on the motion was referring to tbe

specific Bill that he had and I don't think that's

proper. I'm not concerned about what he has or what Ii

have or what anybody else has: I think we have to put jI

the motion and I would appreciate that you put that motion. '

.1 ight now . ''r

speaker Redmond: ''Representative MEpike,llfor wbat purpose do1

,1 tyou rise?l

Mcpike: HTbank yous Mr. Speaker. If this question is put to jlV 0 Q 2. î îa . . . I Il

speaker Redmond: nWhen I get one you wi11.'' :!l

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20.Mcpike: HIf tt receives 107 votes: I would request a

verification.''

S pe ak e r Redmon d : '' Okay . As s o o n a s t h e Pa r li ame n t a r i.a n .-.t e 1 1's .''.' : .f.i

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me the answer I will give it you, Mr. Greiman...the! .answer Parliamentarian advises me that under'Robebt's

Rules of Order a motion to suspend is not debatable.

Tbe question is on Representative Mugalianls motion to

suspend the rules so that the hearings on these motions

will be continued until Tuesday at 1 o'clock. 'Those in

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favor vote 'aye' opposed vote 'no'. It requires 107t ,votes. Re'presentative Deuster, for what purpose do you

rise?''

Deuster: ''Yes, at one time the...the Speaker: you: Sir, said

that the motion was going to be read. It has not been

1read, but it is my understanding that the motion provideslI1that the motions would probably be heard by the Speakeri$

at 1 o'clock not'at some other time as suggested by 111

another Member. And that Members would, if wë adopt 1Ithis motion, be given a fair opportunity to present J

' d j' j,their motions when tbe House was.. .rather fully attended.d

l ispeaker Redmond: tfRepresentative Friedrich.'l 11 !

i Friedrich: 'fMr. Speakery why do you persist on putting this i(

motion without reading a motion to it?''

Speaker Redmond: 'Q thougbt t:e motion was read: Representa-

tive Friedrich. Read ït again, Mr. Clerk.''

Clerk OîBrien: nMotfon. I move that the Appropriation Rules,

including Rule 25 (d) and Rule 33 (b): be suspendedluntil May 16

s 1979 to permit consideration of a11 motions. Ito discharge Committee and that such motions be set for

1 P.M. on Tuesday, May 15, 1979 by Representativei

Mugalian.î' '

ISpeqker Redmond: ''Representative Mautino.'l

!Mautino: 'îThank you, Mr. Sp:aker. By way of explaining my

Ivote and also parliamentary inquiry, I'm voting 'yesl )

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a 'yes' gotes séys that we extend it until Tuesday and

'no' vote means that we stay here because then r'm. 1

assuming that this House is going to be fair to every- '

body and wèr11 act on these motions until 12 o'clock '

jj 'tonight. Is that the correct...

speaker Redmonda '91...1 will stay bere until 12 o'cl6ck at

n i g 1't t . ''

Mautino:.. HThank you for explaining the...H

Speaker Redmond: uHave a11 voted who wisb? Have a11 votedl '

who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On this )Iquestion there's 97 laye' and 21 'no'. Mr. Clerk, will

you poll the absentees.'î

Clerk O'Brien: ''Balanoff. E.M. Barnes. Beatty. Bradley.

Preston. Breslin. Brummer. Capparelli. Capuzi. IllChristensen. Conti. Cullerton. Daniels. Davis 11IDawson. Domico. Ebbesen. Epton. Getty. Georgi.

I IlGriesheimer.' Harris. Hoffman. Jaffe. Emil Jones. )I

Kane. Klosak. Kornowicz. Kozubowski. Laurino. '1EeChOWiCZ. Leon. ZCBrOOm. MCCOurt. MCGreW. Kulas. !'

jlolBrien. Pechous. Pierce. Rea. Reed. Richmond. l

IRigney . Ronan . Sandquis t . S clzli ckman . Schneider .

lape . S tearney . Ter zich . Vitek . Von Boeckman . 1S ;

Wa d d e 11 . Wa t s o n . Wik o f f . W i n c h e s t e r . S a m W o l f an d

Younge . ''

,, ISpeaker Redmond: l'Representative Wikoff.Wikoff: H 'ayef.''

lSpeaker Redmond: ''Representative Klosak. . 'ayeî. Repre-1

'aye'. Davis, 'aye'. Reed, 'aye 1sentative Wahdell,IRepresentative Jaffe: 'aye'. Schneider, faye'.

Kempiners...Kempiners wants to...say something.'' I'

11 M S eaker: I bave sat in Appropriations (Kempiners: Yes, r. p' j' 1C

ommittee today and watched the results of many hours ofIwork on the part of the leaders on the other side of the !

lis le . And i wan t you t o know tha t my arm has b e en 1a

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twisted by my leader and I request my voted be changed l1?

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speaker Redmond: ''As long as you give credit where credit is

5.- . due, I guess that's fine. Representative Hanahan.''

' Hanaban: ''Mr. Speaker, I respectfully request tbat to savelthis House an awful 1ot of time that this Roll Call ought

to be dumped right now. If somebody wants to vote 'aye'

and get it up to 107, let's do it honorably. There is

I a request already made for a verification. There are

people up tbere voting 'aye' already that are not here

1 Ij and not present. People are adding on trying to get itI up to 107. It's only a charade. Letês get a regular

Roll Call and get it over with...''

Speaker Redmond: HRepresentative Matijevich.''

Matijevich: ''Mr. Speaker, I'm going to request and I don't

know who the hell Ilve got to request it to, I guess1

j Greiman, I1m going to request a Democratic conference.'t IWells I can make the request. If the Speaker doesn ,'

' jt Iwant to listen to me we may have some problems further

down the line: but I'm going to make the request.''on ;, l . !1' Speaker Redmond: HRepresentative Greiman is the Chairman of i

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t:e committee.'' j!'1Mr. Speaker, the conference has not adopted any lGreiman:

l' lrules as to the numbers, however...and basically the i

'' custom has been that any number of ten or so Members can 1,

request a conference or any Member of Leadership or the

conference Chairman can call it. I have already taken

a position in my own miad that if I was asked to call a I!. lconference

, I would call a conference. And if you are k

lgoing to persist in that: I will ask that we be given a Ishort time for a conference, 15 minutes perhaps, in Room lj

I114. 1 don't have any choice about it as I understand, ll

1kf they kant to talk, 1'11 talk. Mr. Speaker, if you Ihave some suggestion as Leader of our Party: I would be 1

1glad to take any direction you would like to give mezsl

'îI don't have any suggestions. Okay, I guess!Speaker Redmond:i

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mayb e Rep re . . . are .there rea l ly s ome on the re that shouldnf t

be on? 20h I see five or six. thfnk we better dump

' ' 'Eitis. Ro 11 C a11....L '' Dump the Ro 11 Call . Now . . . wai t a minu t e1j t ' .j' now. V.ebi.fied Oral Roll Call. Everybody be in yourt1 seat. Everybody be in your seats. When your name is1 1 -I l' called, stand up, indicate how you desire to vote. Okay.) .

Call the Roll. I know, we#ll give them a caucus.''

Clerk O'Brien: ''Abramson. Abramson, 'aye'. Ackerman.

Ackerman, 'aye'. Alexaader. Alexander, 'ayel. Andersonl

j Alexander, 'aye.'. Balanoff...okay. Anderson. Andersonl is 'aye' Balanoff. Balanoff, pass. E.M. Barnes.

E M Barnes, pass. Jane Bar*nes. Jane Barnes, 'aye'.

Beatty. Beatty, pass. 3e11. Belly layel Bianco.

Bianco, 'aye'. Birchler. Birchler, 'aye'. Birkenbine. j

Birkenbiney 'ayef. Bluthardt. Bluthardt, 'aye'.

Borchers'. Borchers, 'aye'. Boucek. Boucek...Boucek,

j'a e' Bower. Bower 'aye'. Bowman . Bowman 'aye'Y . p , . j

IBradleyk Bradley, Vayef. Preston. Preston, pass. 1

1lBraun

. Braun, 'aye'. Breslin. Breslin, pass. Brummer. ti ' l1i Brummer

, pass. Bullock. Bullock, êayef. 'Campbell. jI1 . ,

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Campbell, 'aye'. Capparelli. Capparellf pass. Capuzi.l

Capuziy pass. Catania. Cataniay 'ayeî. Chapman. ,

lChapman, pass. .chapman, #no Christensen. Christensen,

pass. Collins. Collins, 'aye'. Conti. Conti, pass.

Cullerton. Cullerton, pass. Currie. J.currie, 'no#...

Currie, 'aye'. Daniels. Daniels, pass. Darrow.

Darrow, 'aye'. Davis. Davis, 'aye'. Dawson. Dawson,l!

pass. Deuster. Deuster, 'aye'. Dtprima. Diprima, 1'aye'. Domico. Domico, pass Donovan. Donovan, 'aye' llDoyle . Doyle , ' aye ! John Dunn . Jobn Dunn , ' aye ' .

Ralph Dunn . Ra tph Dunn y ' ay e ' . Dy er . Dy er , ' aye ' .

Eb b e s e n . E b b e s e n s p a s s . Wo o d y a r d . Wo o d y a r d , ' a y e ' .

Ep ton . Ept on > pass . Ewell. Ewe 11 , pass . Ewing . EwingI

' a e ' . Farley . Farley y f no ' Virginia Frederick . . . i t ' s Ey . j

1a different place here. Virginia Frederick...not on'my 'j

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. list. .virginiazFrederick. Vtrginia Frederick: 'aye'.

Flinn. Flinnk.'aye'. Friedland. Friedland,

present. Friedlaùdkcpresent'. .'Dwight Friedrich.lDwi gh t F r i e d r i ch : ' a# e'f 'k . 'Ga in e s . G a i ne s > ' aye ' .Garmisa. Garmisa, 'aye'. Getty. Getty, pass. Giorgi.

Giorgi, pass. Goodwin. Goodwin, 'aye'. Greiman. lI

Greiman, 'aye'. Griesheimer. Griesheimer, pass.

Grosst. Grossi, 'aye'. Hallock. Hallock, 'aye'.

Hallstrom. Hallstrom, laye'. Hanahan. Hanahan, fnoî.'

' ' Harris. Harris, pass. Hoffman. 1) nanaig. Hannig, no .Hoffman, pass. Hoxsey. Hoxsey: 'ayeî. Hudson. Hudson,

faye'. Huff. Huffy 'ayef. Huskey. Huskeyy 'aye'. IJaffe. Jaffe, 'ayel. Johnson. Johnson, 'present'.

Dave Jones. Dave Jones, 'aye'. Emil Jones. Emil Jones,llpass. Kane. Kane, pass. Katz. Katz, pass. Keane. lllKeane, 'no'. Kelly. Kelly, laye'. Kempiners. Kempinery,l1I , , , , , , !aye

. Kent. Kent, aye . Klosak. Klosak, aye . jI

Kornowicz. Kornowicz, pass. Kosinàki. Kosinski, 'ayet.ll

lj. Kozubowski. Kozubowski, pass. Kucharski. Kucharski, !t !I !j pass. Laurino. Laurinop pass. Lechowicz. techowicz, 'li j

pass. Leinenweber. Leinenweber, 'aye'. Leon. Leon, I

'no '. Leverenz. Leverenz, pass. Macdonald. Macdonald,tI

'aye'. Madigan. Madigan: 'aye'. Mahar. Mahary faye'. 1lM

argulas. Margulass 'ayef. Marovitz. Marovitz, pass. lMatijevich. Matijevich, 'nol. Matula. Matula, 'ayel. I

Mautino. Mautino, 'ayef- .faye'. Mautino, laye'.

1McAuliffe. McAuliffe, 'ayel. McBroon. McBroom, pass. 1

Mcclain. Mcclain, 'no' Mccourt. Mccourt, pass.

McGrew. McGrew, lno'. McMaster. McMaster: 'no'.'

ike. Mcpike, 'no'. Meyeé. Meyer, 'aye'. Malloy. 1McPlt

Malloy, 'ayel. Mugalian. Mugalian, 'aye'. Mulcahey. 1!IlMulcahey, 'ayel. Murphy. Murphy: 'ao'. Kulas. Kulas: Ilpass. Neff. Neff. Neff, tayel. Oblinger. Oblingers ;i

'aye'. O'Brien. O'Brien, pass. Fatrick. Patrtck, 11

1'ayeê. Pechous.. Pechous, pass. Peters. Peters, 'ayeb.?

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P ie 1 . Pie 1 , zï aye ' P iqrce.. . .. Pi er ç e ,.. p as s . - - P o lk . P olk., ..

1 ay e ' . P o un c e y '. ' P o un è e y '; ' a y e 1. . P u 11e n . P u 11 e n , ê ay é '

l Re a . Re a , p a s s .c .. R' e e d . .. '.' Re e d :.- '.l ay è f ;. 'u Re i l ly . Re i 11y ,j 'aye'. Richmond; Richmondyftpassw-.. Rigney. Rigney,

pass. Robbins. Robbiné: 'ayel. Ronan. Ronan, pass.

Ropp. Ropp. Ropp: 'aye'. Ryan; Ryans îayel.

Sandquist. Sandquist, pass. Satterthwaite. Satterthwaite,

'aye'. Schisler. Schisler, lno' Schlickman.

Schlickman, pass. Schneider. Schneider, 'aye'.

. , f lSchoeberlein. Scboeberlein, aye Schraeder. Schraeder,I

'aye'. Schuneman. Schuneman , faye'. Sharp. Sharp,

pass. Henry . Henry , 'aye'. Simms. Simms, 'aye'.

Skinner. Skinner, 'aye'. Slape. Slape, pass. Stanley.

Stanleys 'aye'. Stearney. Stearney, pass. Steczo.

Steczo, 'no'. E.G. Steele. E.G. Steele, 'aye'.

lC.M. Stiehl. C.M. Stiehl, 'aye'. Stuffle. Stuffle, I

ti'ayel. sumner. Sumner, 'ayef swanstrom. swanstrom, lil'

aye'. Taylor. Taylor, 'no'. Telcser. Telcser, 'aye'.'l, , ITerzich

. Terzich, pass. Totten. Totten. Totten, aye :I -1Tuerk. Tuerk: 'aye'. Van Duyne. Van Duyne, 'no'. j

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Vinson. Vinson, 'aye'. Vitek. Vitek, pass. jI !

'no '. Waddell. Waddell, 1,Von Boeckman. Von Boeckman,

pass. Walsh. Walsh, 'aye'. Watson. Watsons pass.

White. Whtte, pass. Wikoff. Wikoff, 'aye'. Waddell

votes 'aye' Willer. Willer, 'aye'. Williams.

Williams, pass. Winchester. Winchester, pass.

J.J. Wolf. J.J. Wolf, 'aye'. Sam Wolfk Sam Wolf,

laye'. 'Younge. Younge, pass. Yourell. Yourell, lno''. 1,l

Mr. Speaker.'' It

Speaker Redmond: NHave a11 voted who wish? This is going to i

lbe the Roll Call for the perdium. Is Representative $!J

ohnson tn the Chamber? How is he recorded? Johnson.'' 1lClerk oïBrien: ''The Gentleman recorded as voting 'present'.'!

!1Speaker Redmond: 'Q s he here? Take him off the Roll Call. lIlRepresentative Taylor Pouncey.îf !

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Sp e ake r Re dmond : ''Rep re s en t at ive : .pounc ey d eàwi.r'e.s : xt o', b/è.' .1 ..1 I1 4 changed f rom ' aye ' t o ' no '.;.:' Rep res'en.t a.t ive.: s'lape.,

'no '. Representative Bullock, 'nol.M

Bullock: ''From 'ayef to 'no' H

Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Alexandery' fno '. Representa-

tive Henry, 'no'. Representative Huff. fno'. Representa-, . 1

tive Patrick, 'no'. Representative Goodwin, 'no '.1 '

RePresentative McMaster. Representative McMaster is 1

'aye'. Representative Johnson has returned to the

Chamber. How do you desire to vote? Record him as 'aye'.

Anyone else desire to change? Representative

Christensen, fayel Waft a minutey now. Wait a minute, !tnow

. When you changed your vote, you should have $

Ichanged the button. Representative Huff, will you 1II

. !change the button? Who else do we have? . Anyone else? ;

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Representative Friedland. Have a11 voted who wishk ' i!l

Representative Williams..playe'. Representative l(TLeverenz, 'aye'. Have al1 voted who wish? The Clerk Il.

. Iwi11 take the record. 0n this question therefs l0l 'aye' ',I1and 25 lnoê.and the Gentleman's motion failed. Repre- ;i

. jsentative Greimany Democratic conference in Room 114?'î

Greiman: 'Q tbink that...the requester has withdrawn her'

jrequeit. We'll cancel the conference.b''

Speaker Redmond: ''Okay. Adjournment Resolution; Repre- l

sentative Madigan.''i

lBrien: ''Se'nate Joint Resolutton 47, resolved by the lClerk O1Senate of the Eighty-first General Assembly of the State ll

. lof Illinois. The House of Representative concurring i1t

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herein that when the Senate adjourns on Friday, May 11, lj1979

, it stands adjourned until, Monday, May 14, 1979 l'

jat o'clock, noon. And when the House of Representa-fItives adjourns on Friday, May 1l> 1979, it stands i

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yy 'Mad i gan : Mr . S peaker y the Memb e rsh ip shoauld vx.und er s t and A.tba tm. . . .-...:œ

this d oes no t s i gnal that we wi 11 now leave . I t is

s imp l y an a do p t f o n o f t h e Re s o lu t i on an d .. 1' . move vf o r ),i t ls : . o'.11 I - a ,,! a Q O 1) t A O n . s' :: ,

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j 'Speaker Redmond: Hskinner: for vhat purpose do you rise'?''

' Skinner: HI wonder if it would be asking too much to have a

Roll Ca11?''

Speaker Redmond: ''The question is on the Gentleman's motion

for the adoption of the Adjournment Resolution. Thosè in'

favor of the adoption say raye', aye, opposed 'no'. The lI4 j

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ayes have it, the Adjournment Resolution is adopted.

Do you aeed any time? Committee Reports. Representative

Friedrich, wefll get to the motions.''

Clerk O'Brien! ''Representative Garmisa, Chairman of the

Committee on Transportation: to which the following i. ll Bills were referred, actioa taken May 11, 1979, reported 'j

1the same back with the following recommendations: Do II' tpass Short Debate Calendar, House Bill 2501. Representav .

Itive Capparelli, Chairman of the Committee on ExecutTve, !I !

1 to whicb the following Bills were referred, action taken ',l l

!May 11, 1979, reported the same'back with thq following iIl

recommendations: Do pass House Bills 520: 1278, 1617, l

2357, 2360, 2764. Do pass as amended, House Bills 1384

and 2358. Interim Study, House 3i11s 147, 210. 314, 517,1j846

, 1001, 1378, 2359, 2361, 2457, 2458, 2459, 2460, 2465:

l 2466, 2468, 2469, 2470, 2499 and 2760. Repesent,ativePierce, Cbairlan of the Committee on Revenuey to which

ithe following Bills were referred, action taken May 11,

1979, reported the same back with tbe following recommendâ-

tions: Do pass as amended, House Bills 980 and 1500.

Do pass as amended consent calendar, House Bill 1136. l. cvoo lInterum Study, House Bills 127. 1820, 2050, 2100,

land 2479. Representative Jaffe, Chairman of the Committeé

6diciary 1, to which the following Bills were 1on Ju

1referred: action taken May 10, 1979, reported the same jf

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. . . .. . back Fith tbe follgwing recommendationsa Do pass-Rouse- -

Bills 554, 1044, 1375 and 2149. Do pass as amended .

l H ou s e B i 11s 4 34 , 159 0 , l 6 7 3 . D o p a s s a s amend e d . Sh or.t. qn... .'. .a11 Debate calendar, House Bill 2436. Interim Study, Housell

Bills 1231, 1502, 2052 and 2712. Representative E.M.Il Barnes, chairman of committee on Appropriations II, toi whicù tbe following Bills were referred, action taken '

' May 11, 1979, reported the same back with the following

recomùendations: Do pass House Bills 1608, 2763, 1168,1 . 'l 2201 and 2650

. Do pass as amended House Bills 2649, I

2651 and 2690, 2691, 1282 and 927.''

Speaker Redmond: î'Messages from the Senate.n

Clerk O'Brien: HA Message from the Senate by Mr. Wright,

Secretary. Mr. Speaker, I directed to inform the House 1llof Representatives that the Senate concurred with the 1lHouse in the adoption of the following Joint Resolutions i!to wit: House Joint Resolution #31y concurred by the j!

Senate May 11> 1979: Kenneth Wright, Secretary. Message 1l

from the Senate by Mr. Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker...l'j I !l Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Ryan.'l lI

1Ryan: 'fMr. Speaker, will you clear up the confusion that may jI

exist.here: Is it your intention to go now to motions jlwhen you get'through yith...îf1

Speaker'Redmond: ''My intentïon is to go to motionsa''

Ryan: 'Q ..and continue to.work throughout the night until' 4

youfve heard a11 of our motionsr'

speaker Redmond: ''We will work throughout the night.î' l!.

R ''Thank you . '' ly an : ,

!Speaker Redmond: ''Just like you did last night.'' '

Clerk O'Brien: HMessage from the Senate by Mr. Wright,1

Secretary.' Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the 1l

House of Representative that the Senate has concurred jjwith the House in the passage of the Bill of thel

following title to wit: House Bill //367, passed by the ji

senate. l1*' ;

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w .... - .speakp.r Redmond: HRepresentative Monroe Flinn, for what

ào you rise ? ''p u rp o s e

1 4). :- -s ; ,. . F linn : . '' We 11 , Mr . S p e ake r -, I h ave two . . . r e a 11y two parliamentaryQ1 l

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:j' inquirïes. 0ne is, since we just adopted the Adjournmentfor...Resolution, I'm assuming the Senate has already

adopted, and it said May 11 to May 15. I must assume by

' th a t that we wf 11 not go beyond by midni gh t t on i gh t , r igh t ? 11 lISpeaker Redmond: HWe11, Bllls die at midnfght so there wouldn'tI

be much point unless we like each otbers company.b'l '

j Flinn: 'fWe11, I...the second questïon is, wonder how manyvotes it takes to change the action we just failed to

ltake a few moments ago by postponing the deadline?''

Speaker Redmond: ''What was the question?''

Flinn: ''When we come back Tuesday, could someone make a motionjltobrevive al1 of the motions that we just...vefll be i

l1 defeating that is not beard tohight?''l). . .Speaker Redmond: HMy Irish Grandmother said, 'Never bid the !' !' jd

evil good morning untfl you meet him.' Wedll find out 'lTuesday. Representative Rvan.'' I' ''

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1I Ryan: ï'Mr. Speaker, vill you 1et the record show that ll!

' Representative contt is absent due to itlnessr' IlS

peaker Redmond: HLet the record so show. Are there ,any !,

1Democrats whose attendance...whose absence is explained. j. lbecause of illaess? I guess not

. Message from the lSenate.î'

Clerk O'Brien: ''A Message from the Senate by Mr. Wright: '

Secretary. Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform thellHouse of Representatives that the Senate has passed !

lBills of the following titles, in the passage of which :

II am instructed to ask concurrence of the House ofII

Representatives to wit: Senate Bills //668 and 9431 I' j

ipassed by the Senate May 11, 1979, Kenneth Wright, '

Secretary.'l!iSpeaker Redmond: HRepresentative Kempiners, restrain yourselfaI!Proceed. Okay. Motions. House Bill Representative !

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1l Pieyîç hyye? Represqntative Mcclain. Oh, youïve mentioneI that before. 17. Representative...Representative

I .: .:,.N q ls h . '! ,l l11 wqzsp: ''zshave point of inrormation. uouzd the parltamentaraanj :; .

l' tell us how many votes it would take to remove the Billsl

from the table that are certainly going to be tabled

j 'tonight that are on the Order of Motions? I am correctl I1 that that would take l07 votes?l'

Speaker Redmond: HWhat Bills are you referring to?''' '

walsh: ''l'm referrtng to the order of business that you're jIl ' M s eaker

, under motions.''on now, r. pISpeaker Redmond: ''For instance, 931.''

Walsh: 'flhat's an example, yeah.''

Speaker Redmond: ''Okay. Now what happens...whatnhappens if

that doesn't get the 107 tonight, is that your inquiry?'' t

Walsh: 'Q t doesn't need 107 tonight, Mr. Speaker. takesI

r, l89. .. j'189 89..' iSpe ake r Re dmon d: .. . Il l

l ualsh: ''But there aren't 89 people or won't be 89 people in l' !l Ii ln.y . . . '' j1!I Speaker Redmond: l'Okay. Your inquiry...your inquiry is: thatI '

if you donlt get the 89, then what happensk'î (''Sure. You've made damn sure, Mr. Speaker, that it 1Walsb:

I' t b e c a 1 l e d an d t h a t t h e r e a r e n ' t 8 9 p e o p le l. . . i t wo n

that can vo te f or i t . ''

Speaker Redmond : ''Representative Madigan , f or what purpose do

ou rise ? 11y .

1Madigan: HMr. Speaker, would you please instruct that Gentlemas1'

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to refrain from the use of the language tbat he s been

usinR ùn the floor of the House?f'' ''''' 1i jspeaker Redmond: 'lokay. Whatîs the answer to the question? i

1As of aidnight the Bfl1 is tabled. Any...the motion to jI

' j, If ltake from the table. . .107. Representative Wals . l

1Walsh: 'Q - speaker, and I'd like to respond to the Gentleman jI ' j

on the otber side...'' (G EN ER AL A SSEM BLY

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. S p e ak e r Re dmon d :- .-.LYO u ' r.e o,u t o f . o r de r . Y o u 1 r e ou t o f o r d e r .

l7, Representative Huskey. We're'not going to prolong' '

. ! :. . j jth.ts any zon.jbr.-a .Represkntative Huskey . l 7 .l ! Huskey : ''Mr

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sfzeaker' ,'. 1.:.. . I . illink I ' ve been f air t o everyone1lin this House. I always will try to give them the

benefit of the doubt in Committee or otherwise. And I'm

asking for nothing more than I would do myself to any

Member. I ask that House Bill 17s which is a Bill that

was brought to me by a group of Mayors as a permissive

I Bill..it is a 3i11 that...that was brought to me by agroup of mayors asking khat I simply introduce it to this

IHouse...'' .1

Sp eaker Re dmond : ''Rep res enta tive Hanahan , f o r what p urp os e d o

o u r i s e ? 1'

Hanahan : ''Mr . Speaker , on a point o f or der . '' '

jSpeaker Redmond: ''What's your point?'ll1Hanahan: DMotion to discharge should be relegated tp the 1il

subject matter of tbe unfairness or the fairness receivedl1'

jin Committee and not on. . .on the matter concerning the iIl Bi11. The Gentleman is appealing to our votes thatI I1would discharge the orderly process of the Generaf

. $Assembly for having a motion to discharge. It should be i

on that issue, not oû the herits or demerits of the

legislation proposed. And I appeal for the ruling of

the Chair that al1 motions to discharge be leveled on !

the concern of whether or not the motion is proper in

the form b'f whether or not the issue of discharge, not ilI

merits Or demerits Of the Bill be debatedzf Ispeaker Redmond: .''Representative Greiman.'' I

Greiman: ''We11, on that subject, Mr. Speaker, I again referi

's Rules of ithe Parliamentarian to Section 35 of Robert i

o'rder on page 261, item 5. The debate can go iato the1 'merits of the question in the hands of the Committee 1

' 1lNow that's the rules...that was what the Parliamentarian àI1indicated before aad Mr. Huékey is within his rights to

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g o b ey o n d. ..j.us.t th e. . t're a tme n t. o f.. sth e .B i 1.l .an d .may g o in t o

t h e me r i t s. o f tt 14 e B i 1 1.'. . .'Th'a t ' s Ro b e r t ' s Ru i. e s o f 0 r d e r . ''

S p e ake r Re dmon d : . îî He tmayt re xp 1'a in'*'th e '''B i'l 1- ics' my un d e r s t an d in g .

1 P r o c e e d , e kp 1'a :I. n !: la e à i)l'.1-:t..'': .t

1 u u s u e y : ' ' M r . . . ''IHanahan: ''He's been going with...''

Huskey: 'lThank you, Mr. Speaker. House Rule 55 will give me l

Ithat right to explain the. Bill sufficiently enough thatyou know what I'm talking about. And if you...if anyone

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l is in doubt, 1. suggest they read House Rule 55 (i) which. . .which was voted this year into our new Rules. Thatls

a Pullen Rule by the way. Actually a11 this Bill does

. . .it allows a group of municipalities one hundred and

fifty thousand up to five hundred thousand to form a.

Isanitary waste dfsposal district. And this is strictly 1

permissive where werare faced with a Supreme Courtlj ' 1decision that was Just recently handed down that you

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cannot have landfills anymore unless the municipalities 'I11 agree. so you can just about rest assured of bow many 11 1 11

municipaltties are gotng to agree to 1et somebody else j! 'Il dump tbeir garbage in your back yard. So this is a Bill

I 'that...that if the municipalities want to loia together 2'

jI .' V it permits them to do so...permissive only. And.. mndiMr'. 1I

Speaker, I move for its adoption because as you see the )l

opposftion that will arise from this Bill will show you '

l that I did not have a fair hearing in Committee.lfI

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I , jSpeaker Redmond: Representative Williams. i' iWilliams: 'Thank you

y Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of :

Ithe House. As a Chairman of Cities and Villages CommitteT

iIîd like to point out to the Membership that when that $1l'

. Bill came.before the Committee: and we have fifteen j

IMembers on the Cities ahd Viklages' Committee, fourteen j

1IMembers were there at the time thàt this came before the

. !..1.Committee. The Bill the first time that it was heard ',!!)1

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. an d we h e ar d @ 11.. o f - .th e;. vi tne s s esz; u.thva tu .w.e res. th e rei an.d .1... . . . .

mi gh t p o i n t o u t t h a t I afn a m'a y o r : my s e.l'f L. a n d I t h i nk I

l kn ow mo s t o f t lz e ma y o r s i n. . t h'e- '.a r e a.J an d. tytt'h e r é r- w a s . n o t on eI .I I .1! mayor tbat was there to. testtfy,.however, -there were some other1 ,

people. We'heard a1.1 of the testimony and the Bi11

) failed to get out of the Committee on a tie vote of 6and 6 and 1. Now that 3i11 was posted. That Bi11 was

posted seven times. And seven times that Bill was

postedy the Sponsor knew that Bill would be beard the

l next time the committee met. In the meantime, I see the 1l

' . Sponsor who did not come befdre the Committeeuchose to

do something that we frown upon. I know according to

Robert's Rules it would not be in order but I guess

according to the Hoûse Rules it may or may not be,Ij introduce an identical Bill, whiçh was House Bill 2030. lI z...-ct-azz, -:e- tse co--tttee' -et thea ,-r th- lkst

ltime and the Sponsor was notified that not only his House!IBill 17 but also 2030 would be addressed by the Committee',1

he had the kiaority spokesman appear on his behalf. At ljI that ttme the committee took another vote on House Bill i 'll

. i17 and it again failed to pass out of Committee. j

According to the House Rules, when a Bill fails...yeah, '('

. jafter two times, the Bill is then considered dead. We l'

jthen addressed the request by the Sponsor that 2030 be l1

put into Interim. And a vote was taken and it only

received 8 votes. According to the House Rules if you f

want a Bill to be put in to Interim Study, you need a...l

you need two-thirds. which would have been 10 Members.

And that 'Bi11 failed to receive the required number of

votes to put it into Interim Study. I again wlsi to' j

tell you it had a very fair hearing. It wasvheard l$'

twice and it failed to pass out of committee. And I'

jhznk that the motion should not ze upheld.'' .t (*

1speaker Redmond: ''Question is on the- .Representative Huskey, '!1

ifor what purpose do you rise?'' !)

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l Huskey: 'lpoint of order, Mr. Speaker. Thé Bi11, 20)0 is not. .s . ..u .x - ..,...-...t.. ....... :-2.. ..-3.. à !'. !.'w.,. -'x ..$....v. ... c.. . ..x')--'f. . '.J, . ,. $. 1. ,

the Bill tn discussion here. He's confusipg, thqxiqsupy,..: ,

we're talking about House Bill 17, not 2030..'' ' ', ,.. , . . . . .2: t ! J . '' 1 I 'L t !' ! ; . ' '. ' '...: . i ' .'

I speaker Redmond: 'fThe question is on th: Geptlemapfs.pption . ... .. . . . . ' ) .. . . . - . . . . i 1

to discharge. Representatïve Walsh, for what purpose do# . . , .

ou rise ? ''y .

Walsh : ''Wel1 I wanted to be heard on the ' Bi 11 and in support

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speaker Redmond: ''Okay, proceed.n .

1. Walsh: ''...of Representative Huskey to start with, Mr.I l'

s eaker.''P

Speaker Redmond : f'Proceed . ''

Walsh: ''But I would also ask leave of the House to consider

at the same time...''

''Youfre out of order. I recognized you for 1Speaker Redmond:iI

he purpos e of discus sing Represen tative Huskey ' s motion . lt1

Okay, discuss his.motion.l.' '. 1'

111 little abrasïve today, Mr. Speaker../îWalsh: You seem to be a (

tRe dmond : '' I am . '' ' . 1speaker

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Walsh: '' .doeé your conscience bother yoû? 1li ', ,4 l .

I Speaker Redmond: Discuss his motion. lWalsh: ''1: sure as hell ought to.'' 1!

' Speaker Redmond: ''Discuss his motionz'1 '

Walsh: $91:11 tell youy this is the worst I have ever seen

lthis House operated. I have never seen a situatiom

jf 'where people were not given... '

speaker Redmond: HDiscuss the motion, Mr. Walsh.'' '1, !I

Walsh: '' .not gtven the opportuntty to have their Bills

heard. You have'denied that, you and...H jI

Speaker Redmond: ''Discuss the motion, Mr. Walsh.'' jI

' Walsh: 'L..have denied this House...all one hundred and j' jseventy-five of us, an opportunity to bave our Bills 1' j

,, lheard. . . . j

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speaker Redmond: ''Representative Matijevich, for what ll!

urpos e do you rise ? '' IP. I

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Matijevich: 'fMr. Speaker, at least ten Members from that side

came over 'to me and said: 'We c4nft support it> but. would.

you make the motion to adjourn and fast gavel.it. .Nùw.'V =,.j '1 Mr. Speaker, I move to adjourn until Tuesday atz..what'

time? What time: Mr. Speaker? 10 o'clock- .''

Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Yourell.''

Yourell: MI know that motion is not debatable, but I really

want to have a vote on this Bill to discharge Committee.

Because...l want to tell you something, Mr. Speaker.

This Bill, as long as it's open to debate and discussion,'I 1provides a .05 tax rate without referendum. And anybody

on that side that wants to vote for this, go ahead and

vote for it.l'

Speaker Redmond: ''The question is on Representative Huskeyfs lmotion to discharge House Bill 17...the Committee on j

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Cities and Villages. Those in favor vote 'aye', opposed ll

vote 'nof. Representative Walsh may explain his vote 'I

11 lfor one minute.l: l

Walyh: HWhat I want to ask you to dozaMr. Speaker, is to Il

consider House Bill 931 and House Bill 2063 fn the I' ' like to explain why I want...'' 1same Roll Call and I d

speaker Redmond: ''Wel1, we're not on that. We're not on j)that. You're supposed to be explaining your vote on 1

' j17, Mr. Walsh. Have a11 voted wbo wish? The Clerk will :ltake the record. 0n this question there's 43 'aye' and

l 53 'no' and the motion fails. 23. Representativeîr jKelly.

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Kelly: ''Mr. Speaker, I don't tbink I have a good enough l

lattendancewhere and I will ask that the Bill be taken

. .. the motion be taken out of the record.''

''Take it out of the redord. 101, Representa-lSpeaker Redmond:i)

tive Deuster. Representative Greimanz' lI''Mr. Speaker, I wonder if I çould have leave of the IGreiman: l

!House to put Housq Bi1l 1262, the nuclear energy Bi11, l

1into Interim Study?'' 1

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v % - .... . Sp eake r 'Re dmond : ''Does th e Gen t lemyn have leave ? Parliamentarian ,

please come here. Representative Matijevicb.''. @. '. v.. ' : . . . lj a t: rj j' e M i, c h : î' S e a.k e r . ' î. . . p . . .I

Speaker Redmond: HRepresentative Matijevlch.''

Matijevich: ''Mr. Speaker, as a kindness to a11 these Bills

on...you know I'm...I'm going to make a motion to adjourn.1

But I also with that motion: with leave of the House,

I would move that a11 the Bills on ihe dïscharge be

placed on Interim Study. Tbey stïll take 107 no matter!j '

what. So.why not treat them a11 alike, put them in

IInterim Study. It takes for a11 them and then we j

caa a11 go home. Wpuld...would we have leave of the

House to do that?''

Speaker Redmond: HOkay. Representa. ..''

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IMatijevich: nObjections? lhen I move to adjourn, Mr. !1

Speakery until Tuesday at 10 o'clock.'' l1Speaker Redmond: î'Pretty soon. Representative Greiman has tI

moved...has moved that Hùuse Bill 1262 will be put in iI' ' opposed lto Interim Study. Those in favor vote aye , j

1vote 'no'. It takes l07 votes. Representative Meyer.'f lll

Meyer: nMr. Speaker, object to this. Mr. Greiman was off...ll

f f e r e d t h e o p p o r t un f t y o f h av i n g a 14 e a r in g , h e t u r n e d !oii

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it down. ue set. l!

'''He's not doing very well, Representative 1Speaker Redmond:I

Meyer . ''

,, ,, lMeyer: Well. anyway this is a poor procedure and I object.? If, ISpeaker Redmond: 101. House Bi11 101, Rèpresentative !

!lDeuster. Representative Johnson. Take.the record on '

this one. 0n tbis question therels 35 'aye' and 51 'no'

and the motion failed. Representative Johnson.n. 1

'fWe11 I've talked to people on both sides of the iJohnson: , 5

1aisle and make the same motion with respect to 1707. lj

II think this is an agreed matter. I talked to tbe ilIChairman, the Members the Subcommitteey the proponents1

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and opponents, it's just simply a matter of puttfng it into' j

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u think Representative Jaffe can speak to thata'''

Speaker R:dmond: llDoes the Gentleman have leave? AnyI. 'objection? Hearing no objection, leave is granted and

1707...Interim Study. Representative Jaffe, for what

rlPurPOse....

Jaffe: MWel1 I just wanted to say that we did do that by

agreement, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Johnson and I did talk

about it and it is by agreement.f'

ker Redmond: ''The Attendance Roll Call was used on that 1SpeaI

one. 101, Representative Deuster.''

Deuster: HMr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House...''I'

jSpeaker Redmond: ''Representative Mautino. Mautino: for what

purpose do you arise?''

1Mautino: ''Question of the statement that was just made, 1lP

arliamentary inqufry again, Sir. I think someone 1IImentioned the fact

: I think it was Representative if

Matijevichy tbat it takes 107 votes to discharge al1 1 . 'l

, , ithe notions that are before us. )

lSpeaker Redmond: HNoy he said it takes l07 to put them in i

IIInterim study.''I

''Okay, I wanted to clarify because there are motions 1Mautino:that only take 89 votes to discharge.l'

Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Matijevfèh is well aware of l' !that. Represeatftive Deuster on 101.11

Deuster: 'lRepresentative Matijevfch is right, want to go t

home. I think every Member wants to go home. I thinki

every...no words have to be spoken about vhat happened

today, 'we a11 understand what happened. This fs...a

fraud, it's a charade, it's a farce. know there's 1!

probably an understanding...we will run...l m.... j. jS

peaker Redmond: ''Let the Gentleman continue. Listen to bim.î''l1

,1 p , 1Deuster: They don t want to hear Mr. Speaker. They don t!

. , lwant to hear it and I m not going to sa

y anymore il

because don't believe in belaboring anything like that. ii

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to happpn . You '.ie ..going to run through a f ew Bills , a

f ew . p e o p'l'et kar e .'tgti'irh3é .'t o. 1ö s e ; eve ryb o dy is g o in g t o ge t1l !f I . . ' . 2l , mo re imp ét ibh't . Jz ;'!'. - , ' 'lI speaker Redmond: ''Di/ect your remarks to the motion. Repre-1 tive Deuster

. . .not to soothsaying. Direct yoursena

remarks'to the motion.''

Deuster: ''I think the proper order of business is for you

to recognfze Representative Matijevich to move that this

House adjourn so that we can al1 go home and help the.

celebrate Motherrs Day.sf

Speaker Redmond; ''Do do you want...do you want to put'

!tbe question on your notion to discharge Committee on

Elementary and Secondary Education with respect to House 1' !

Bill 101:61 IIDeuster: ''Thatfs not what I said. said, think...'' l!speqker Redmoad: ''Okay, we'll takevv.'' !I. j

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Deuster: ''the proper thing for you to do Represent...is to j$

j, recognize Representative Matijevich. 1*11 take this out iI

1j of the record. We ought to go home.. jI speaker Redmond: HHow about 102? How about 102? Representa-1 . .. ' , .tive Deuster on 102... â

1Deuster: ''I'Me said a1l I need to say, Mr. Speaker.'' $

ker Redmond: Hout. of the record. 102. 103. 0ut of the lSpeal

record. 123, out of the record. 134, Representative

Kelly. 0ut of the record. 173, Representative Mahar.''

Mabar: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Here's one that isn't ouE of

,s' z've jthe record. The first time in tbe seven yearbeen here, Ifm moving to discharge Commlttee. Because

I very strongly feel that this piece of legislation needsiI

to be heard on this Rouse floor. House Bill l73 a ' iI

Bill which deals with the pay raise limitations. It jizz 1deals witb lame duck pay raises. prefiled thfs B

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way back in January and the Bill was placed in Sub- j' j

. ' .1commfttee and then in Subcommittee for about six weeks. t. . è

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f ina 11y , on We dn e s'day. v.mo rn in g ,7 ' t he B i 11 wa s vo t e d ou t o f.

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,.s ub coczmi t t ee 5 Jzto ':.-0 k'.r7 IY. êsl.tiri:tàk:.,'ilo rzving ..the Bi 11 wasIl r '

s . ,) heard in tbe fullz Committee'.aùd'by some strange meanslI got ten votes, I need l1. And I find that several

Members of the Committee who wanted to vote for the

Bill were not in the 'Committee at the time...due to the'

jproblems of other Members having 3ï11s in otherCommittees and Members serving other Committees. I think

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#b a need to have this Bill discharged to theI that therel

floor of the House. It's a very, very important Bill

and one that I would urge your coasideration for a

discharge motion.''

Speaker Redmond: 'fRepresentative...Executive. .Representative l1

11 ICappa...Representative Madigan. lI

Madtgan: ''Mr. speaker, on Sehalf of Chairman Capparelli and IIlI was a Member of the Committee oa the day this was jllconsideredp on that particular day the Committee received1

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a report of one of its Subcommittee to the effect that I1 ll I 1l

the House be encouraged to adopt a Resolution which l1.

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would provide that our Rules would prohibit a pay raise 1l1

for Members of the Assembly and other governmental 1

Iofficials between a general election and inaugurationday. And that that Rule topbe suspended wbuld need a

1 two-thirds vote of the House of Repeesentatives. The .IResolutionsin do course, will be introduced by one of '

the Members of this Body and referred to the Rules1ICommfttee for consideration. And the same time tbat theI

House was encouraged. to adopt suc: a Resolution this5

particular Bill failed to receive sufficient votes in jIthe Conmittee for'passage Therefore the recommendationi$

1of the Committee is that we treat.this problem by Ruleof the House of Representatives rather than by statute.

lAnd therefore, I rise in opposition to the Gentleman's1

motion.'' Il

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S p e ake r Re dmon d :, !' Rep.r e s enlt a t.i:v.e: -L e 1.n enweb e.r.::b'..:u,!t?kz. ..:.. ps-r..:u -...... to ... .- u-

Le t nenweb e r : ''We 11 > thank y op . . o'thank. 'y o u ,'. Mr. . ..S.p e'ake r . .

th e Min o r i ty S p oke sman on f h e ' 'Exe c u t: i'Qe! tcommi't t e e' ' an dl'j I...as a matter of fact, because nofk.threpurush' of Bills

l and so forth, I actually handled .the Bill for Representa-l tfve Mahar. Unfortunately, there were only I believe;

twelve Members of the Commfttee present with 11 needed

l to come out. was in that paeticular situation andno fault of the Sponsor of tbis Bill because of the

1 jl lengthy deliberations of the Subcommittee it was notcalled until Thursday of this week which was the second

last day when there is always very slight attendance.'

jdo think the Gentleman is fully entitled to have this. l'

IBill brought from Committee and I am certain that if l

the entire Membership of that Committee had been preàent !'

j1 the Bill would bave flown out with more than sufficient l' ' j

!votes to be considered on Second and Third Reading. And :

tbink the Gentleman deserves that chance and I urge tl

4 f I I ij y0u to Vote aye On hiS motion. il )j Speaker Redmond: HRepresentative Schraeder.'' j; . jH

Mr. Speaker and Members of the Houses are we... jSchraeder:i

know this isn't going to get the number of votes 1I I

necessary to bring it out, but I want to point out that i1Ithis Bill is something that has been desperately needed j

for a long time. There were seven or eight or nine

Bills of this nature in the Committee. ''It was sent

to Subcommittee. We met...subcommittee gave us a fair jI

hearing. They voted one Bill out with a subsequent

Rule that they were going to submit. When it went to'

they did not get a fair hearing. And I want 1)

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Committee.

' 1the record to skow very clearly that z'm. - bypuenated 4

ICosponsor..all the trouble thatvmay be, but st.fll am, l

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jand I want the record to show even if it doesnlt come outjI

' of Committee that I endorse the Provision that we don'f l' !

increase our pay, only vithin periods time before the :i

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general election. If you stand on that kind pf premise, '... <. . . t... .. '...e . w>.... ..I ......k j + '.. .p -..1.. 4. . nt ..FQ G.e JY J-. w..r ..< . t z . .1 * n .=&x. .. . . ) . . .

then you have to vote and get the l07 Motçs. .Apd .Ivajk .7 s. . J ' ' u .. . . : .

ev e ry o n e t h a t ' s i n t e re s t e d i n w d o.i n g . ,t h :,!. ..1e.g i.y .iya,4,#n.,rt, ,h.J !! g.q s .l ' ,1, 1 i n s t e a d o f p r o s t i t u t i n g p ay r a i. s ç s we y o t e. . y h t @ . p,u tl . ; . ..k; . .r.. , . . y,. ;. . .; . . . . t . a: ; . ,

Speaker Redmond: HRepresentative Oblinger Representative .

Mahar, please sit down.''

Oblinger: ''Mr. Speaker, I think my question has been

i answered. I wondered what happened if ve adlourned

before these motions were heard.. And I understand they

would then die, is tbis correct?'' 'ISpeaker Redmond: 'îRepresentative 'Peters.''

Peters: ''Mr. .Mr. Speaker, I would just suggest that anyone

who still feels some strong pangs of co,nscience that the '(Comptrollers office is opened every day and anyone who i

IWants to return any portion of thefr salary can do it.f' 1

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Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Piel.ff lI Il

Piel: HThank you, Mr. Speaker and tadies and Gentlemen of 1l1the House

. I was on the Subcommittee and I was under !1lthe assumption. ..and Alan Greimany you...you, the !l i' f . IChairman of the Subcommittee

, you can correct me if I mI li 1'

wrong, but botb things came out of Subcommittee: the j'I'

e assumption tn thts 1: Resolution and 173. I was under th 1ISubcommittee that if 173 failed on the floor of thel

House, tben we would go with the Resolution. And tbis !11was the way it came out of the Subcommittee yesterday... l

Tuesday morniag.''

Speaker Redmond: nRepresentative Greiman: do you care toi

Tespond.''

Greiman: 1$We11# yeah : I...first I'd like to thank a11 the

people that said that they got a falr hearing in the I1# the nicest thing I've beard a11 i!Subcommittee. That s

Ilday. Well, the Subcommfttee had the several Bills before!!

it, it tried to bring out one Bill that...were about i. l1

five concepts that were involved. We tried to settle tt

on the concepts. The Resolution we voted out with... !!

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wh i ch I ha d d r a f t e d 'and s ub mi t t e d t o th e C ommf t.t e e.. .an d- w..---' <-...., . :0.:-

it was the thought that we would go...pursue with b0th ' .I . .l

o f tit em . obvi o u s ly , t f 1. 7 3 b e c ame th e 1. aw , ' t'h'è ' Rui Q mi s'-'&''' .' .' '. .''''.

jl unnecessary. The Rule is annullity because the statuèe .'1'.,. '1 ld take precedence over it

. It appears that unless' 'woul

I thss gets t:e appropriate number og votes st wizz not.I'm going to support this but- .the Resolution is a

Iback up to the.-to the 173, but they b0th travel I

separate tracks and they have to exist and live$ :

j separately. So...you have to do what you want to. Idon't think itfs an excuse one vay or the other.''

,1 ' ffSpeaker Redmond: Representative Satterthwaite.

Satterthwaite: HMembers of the Housey Iy too: support the 11Imoeion to have this Bi11 discharged from Committee. Minej

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hat I agreed to put into Interim 1was one of the Bills t' ISt

udy with the assurance that this Bill would get the ''lisupport of the Executive Committee and be heard before i1

' !the House. Lacking tbe Membership being present to vote j

lit out of.committee, it seems to me that it is our 1l

f1 obligation now to support tbis measure. I think we are ltk 11in error in assuming that it takes 107 votes

. It is my j'

jassumption that it only takes 89 votes to discharge this 1

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Bill from Committee. I would u%.ge your support to do .61;that because I think this is one of the best ways we havell

of restoring confidence in our electorate. Our electörate 1.

Iwas very unbappy about the timing of our salary increases,I I

Imore so than the amount of the increase. And I believe j

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that if we are willing to work on equitable salaries, at 'Ian appropriate time within our legislative process, we j#

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way to regain the confidence of the 1can go alongllelectorate

. And I urge your support in putting this l'

jBi11 on the House floor so that we can give it a 1

l,f Ithorough discussion Dd a vote on this House floor.

11 ' j iSpeaker Redmond: Representativé McAuliffe. Representative$lPeters, please sit down. Birkinbine, sit down. (1

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. : McAuliffe: 'HMr. Speaker, I move the prevfou's question.'î

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. . . . IJ ' question. The question is, shall the main question be

? Those ia favor say 'aye', aye, opposed 'no'. The 1putl -

I 'ayes' bave it, motion carried. Rejresentative Mahar.'' l. . ' .

1 Mahar: ''Thank you, Mr. speaker. I'm not g-oing to belabor the jI -

's at issue ' l! point. I think that everyone knows what Ihere. It's a question of whether we should continue

d to raise our salaries after the election and before wel .

1 take office or wbether we.'re zoing to set a new'

precident. I think the fact that some people say you

can...down to the Comptroller's office and give your

money back is as phony as a three dollar bill. I thinkI .

. ' Ithe real answer to the question is one in which we do I

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things upfront. I can recall in 1974, I voted for a 1I l1 i! 5 thousand dollar pay raise here on this floor in June, !

Ibefore the election, didn't hear one single word about 1l' . . 1

I that...about my. vote at the election time. After we '. i!

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! . !1 came back on the last day of the Session, we cut our 6i '$j' salaries back to 20 thousand dollars and passed it after (

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v . .after we took office.- before we took offïce and 1

j .. after election and I got all' kinds of flack. And I' 1think it's very, very clear to the people of this state :Ithat we shall not continue to do this type of thiag. I

. . I' And I think jou're' going to find that once we can l

f .lcorrect this system, weîre going to be on the right l

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track. And I would urge everyone to give this an I. . j.

g yuyy aebate Iaffirmative vote to get it on tbe floor orl f

and 1et it go from tbere.'f jH fon is on tbe Gentleman's motion that 1Speaker Redmond: Quest

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the Executive Committee be discharge with respect to !. . jHouse Bill 173 and'advance to the Order of Second.

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Reading. Those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'nol. '1' :i I';

Representative Skinner.'' ' I!l

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. . .. , , ..n .- . ; k s k inne rJ: i ''I d on ' t know why we ' re a f r a i d. .t o vo t e f or a

p:y raise before an election. This Bi11, contrary to

I I .... i ,..,.., - ..some o i' félfe' c owmen ts made on th ts uous e f z oor , i t do esn . tj l''Lt k f

or a roll back in our pay. A11 it does is say thath . y I . a S .' l ,1 we re going to be upfroùt with our constituents and votei ii 1l in favor of a pay raise

, if we want to raise our pay: 1l ' I't thiak it goes far enough. 1t before the electton. I donI l

I II think we ought to vote for increases in pay raises and !l 1

Iforce every other elected official in the state to do 1

l l . ;I the same thing before they file their primary election. !1 !

j If you want citizens to distrust us more than they jl

, f lalready do, by al1 means, vote no . But if you do vote I

1I'no ', don't be surprised when in tbe next poll that's I

1taken in Illinois ranking the reputation of professions 1

l that we end up not below the used car dealer but below 1' 11 lsomething even lower than that, whatever it is. !

iS ker Redmond: ''Assessor.'l iPea

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sktnner: ''Assessor.'' !l

1. Speaker Redmond: HHave a11 voted who wish? RepresentativeIIl Yourell.''l!Yourell: ''Yeah, I1m going to vote faye' for this because I

don't think that if we pass this Bi11 theyfll never bei

l her pay raise for Legislators in Illinois. And I 1ZDOQl !know that the fnterest generated in a pay raise is rI l

ted by the media and not by anybody else. Those Igenera

of you who have 'reviewed the situation will refer to '

your files on those pay raises, letters that you got,1

. î' youfll find that the...most of the letters you got were l

l' jfrom the media who really don't pay the freight in!

llinois . I t '' s the pe op le that p ay the f r.e 1. gh t . I lI!

think the proper approach to the problem is a lI

Constitutional Amendment that addresses itself to the !1

Consumer Price Index...raise your salary or decrease yourj

salary depending upon the Consumer Price Index. I think

that's the concept that we can a11 endorse. But I'mI ' -

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for this will 'su.ggest that there will be no more payj - ' .

I i ' ' : - ' ù-; t; i s 1 ,k i. o r s ' i n I 1 1 i n o i s . f '. ra s e s f o r. t h ; e g1I 1lt Speaker Redmond: 'lHave à11 voted who wish? Representativej 'I George Ray Hudson.'îl' Hudson: HYes Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentleman of the l

H o u s e . . . ''ISpeaker Redmond: HRepresentative Deuster, please sit down.'î l

HIy too, was one of those who had a Bi1l, House Bill lHudson:l! .

1 517, that addressed itself to tbis problem. happen I! f1

to believe sincerely that thfs is exactly the kind of )l1behavior that the public expects of us. I'm not ashamed I

' !for having tntroduced the Bill and will not be made 1

!lto feel ashamed for having introduced such a Bill that

j i1 would call upon us to address this question as reasonable'l I

than we may feel it is...in the first year of a twoIyear Sessioa. I think that a11 the pub'lic expects of us

is to exercise our responsibility in this regard in

2 ible way. And this is one way of doing it. Andresponsl

I' ' i Mahar in his. .in :is iI m supportiag Representat ve

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motion to discharge this Bi11.H 1jspeaker Redmond: ''Have a11 voted who wish? Representative ;lR

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lvoted for the pay raise too. And I would just as soon

that we would do things upfront with the people and so

that we can show them that we are earning our money. And!j -

I think wbat has gone. on today has done very much to j. j

sbow them tbat we are not. Now we need to be honest with'l!

the people and..lthen they can be honest with us and II

, . I ,, lthey 11 pay us what we re worth. i

ISpeaker Redmond: Have al1 voted who wish? The Clerk will take). i

' 4 , , d !the record. On this question there s 88 aye an

;'no' Representative Mahar.'' !

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S p eak e r Re dmon d : '' Th e ' Gezit l'eman. Cd e'ifi re s t he ab s en t ee s t o'

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be Jolled. Mr. C1Jfk> j8l1 thé abientees. Yeah, he sli I o. q; .. . j f ; :going to ve/i.

fy ft. 'l IClerk O'Brien: ''Abramson.' Balanoff. E.M. Barnes. Beatty.

Preston. Breslin. Brummer. Capparelli. Capuzi. t

Christensen. Conti. Cullerton. Daniels. Dawson.

Diprima. Domico. Ebbesen. Epton. Ewell. Ewing. llFarley. Dwight Friedrich. Gaines. Getty. Goodwin.

1 . . 1lGriesheimer

. Harris. Hoffman. Jaffe. Emil Jones. I1IKane

. Katz. Keane. Kozubowski. Kucharski. Laurino.

Lechowicz. Marovitz. Matijevich. McAuliffe. McBroom.I

Mcclain. Mccourt. Meyer. Kulas. OfBrien. Pechous. IltPeters. Pierce. Pullen. Rea. Richmond. Rigney. itjRyan. Sandquist. Schisler. Schlfckman. Schuneman. 1

' 1Sharp. Stearney. Swanstrom. Telcser. Terzich. 1

iI 1Tuerk. Van Duyne. Vitek. Von Boeckman. Watson. jl

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!l White. Xinchester. Sam Wolf. Younge. Mr. Speaker. 1,I I ':'' speaker Redmond: ''What's the counts Mr. Clerk? On thisI

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question there is 88 'ayes' and 'no' and the motion l' I

fails. Representative Matijevich.'' jt IMatijevich: .''Mr. Speaker, after that Bill, I now move to j

Iadjourn until Tuesday at A.M.H j. 1i

speaker Redmond: ''We'11 get back...we'll get back to you a ll

. !1 little bit later on. 272. Representative Johnson. 272.I '! ' ,,Representative Johnson.

' Johnson: !'Mr .. Speaker and Memb e rs o f tbe Hous e , th is is t ruly 5

' ta bipartisan Bill and bipartisan motion to discharge. 14

I272 are Representative lchief sponsors on House Bill

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Kosinski, who's Vice-chairman of the Judiciary 11 ll!Committee, myself and Representative Huskey on this j1

side and in addition to Representative Kosinskf: t. !

. . lRepresentative Stuffle and Lechowicz on the other side. @l

This addresses a problem that is as significant as any lj

issue that we face fn the area of criminal justice. The .

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studies show that todsy arpund tbq qpynyry aAd Illipois it:.1.71 . I t ; ' - . * r) 1 1 .- ) ! lS. -0 $ :=: Ar )f I ';' ï! u r ' ' - ' .''' w- ' ' ' '' ' ' '

seems to be paralleling the national trend .that 53Z of

j the serious, violent crimew. in the. Pnited-s.tatesy. armed ': : . .; . z . j . ..t ë . k ; . '. ) j ... -- . . z r ; . . i : : . .l J r o b b e r y , r a p e , d e v. i a t .e . .. s..e .x u a 1 y y, s s a u l t s . : n. d. . m u r d e r , i sll ommit.ued by those who are undqr ,ti:e. cla.ssifications, clI of Illinois 1aw and others, 'luvepile'. This Bill! l .P would not require them...require juveniles to bel!I incarceraeed with adults, nor would it automaticallyl .

require them to be proaecuted adults. It would simply

' j say that unless there's compelling reason to the contrary;(

people of the age of 13, 14, 15 to 16 who are charged !l

I with murder, armed robbery, rape and deviate sexual '!k1 . 1.

' 1 assaults can be.-.can be prosecuted by the state as j'. ' jadults, not subsequently fncarcerated therefn, but I

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treated as adults for purpose of prosecution. Our !!i

reasoning behind the introduction of this Bi11, Rèpre- ll

'j sentative Stuffte and Kosinski and myself representing. ;I ' ;;downstate and upstate and bot: parties is that people '

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1 who are able and have the capacity to commit armed '1 . i

jl robbery, they have the capacity to commit rape and11 , i1 v hing other'deviate sexual assault and murdersy aren t anyt l

1than criminals. We're not going to say in a carte l

.:ll blanche sense, treat them as criminals in the sense of j

' jsending them to Joliet or to Pontiac or to Menard. I' j

' But in terms of our criminal justice syste'm. if they' 11l bave the nbility and the capacitz to commit that nature

!of crime, they also have the capacity to meet the...the '1I

dictates of the criminal lustice system. And to continue'l' to pat them on their little haloed beads and say go out 'i

hin another five or six nonths, which is the average ,lilength of stay for an armed robber or murderer fn our 1

. . !juvenile court system and do it again and again and jl

again and then finally when you're o1d enough, whem you're. .

' !:seventeen and a big boy and you kill five or six people,

. Jthen we#re gotng to say you go to Joliet, is ridiculous.

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. . . : it r ?. k2 .: .) s t.y tt CA : - '*' '- . - ' ' -countrv are callinz for verv basic reform of our .. .:.. '' '''.' ''' . . . .. . . ;

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three part procedure set up so that w: dpq': aptppqticallI 1 ' k X ' =. '' '

1 treat as that on. the motion of the state's attorne. ,y. Ii

)j like to ask Representative Stuffle to finish a little j!

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1 bit as far as some of the details and éis.own pointsy. 1!

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' Il but I certaialy ask on b0th sides of the aisle that we jI .

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give this a full hearing on the House floor. This jl

ij passed...pardon me. .this had a 2 to l affirmative 1l il l i1, margin in the Judiciary 11 Committee and I think every- 1,

' !body knows what the Judiciary 11 Committee's reputation '1I

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, 1is. It...I think it was 6 votes 'yes and 3 votes no . j

But because of absences vand so forth we fell 2 votes ltlshort of getting this out. I certainly urge a 'yes'

is motion to discharge.'' ivote on tb!i' s eaker Redmond : ''Representat ive S tuf f le . '' lp:lStuffle: ''Yes

, Mr. Speaker and Members, I rise in support ofIj Representative Johnson's motion. Exactly as he statedi iI the case, is the casè. This particular Bill bas Ij '' II ibipartisan supporz and biparti

san sponsors:tp. I think $11 ' ' d we smmediately l!I too often we hear the term juvenile an

retrench. We don't believe that they should be tried

as adults.' This particular Bill has safeguards built

into it to try them as adults. It deals oaly withll provisions where there is a petiti'on alledging that aI

minor committed a murder, a Class X felony. attempted to

) commit a murder or attempted to commit a Class X felony.i You know and I know as Representative Johnson clearly

and well pointed out tbat the Judiciary 11 Committee is

predisposed in many cases not to act on thfs type of

1aw enforcement criminal justice 3il1. It ought to b'e

brought to t:e floor despite the action of that Judiciary

11 Committee, it ought to be'heard by the full House, it

ought to be passed by the full House, it ought to be

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49.passed by the Senate. This Bi11 should be brought to

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the floor for the reasons that Representative Jphnson' ; ..s.

. ) s t a t e d . I t i s a g o o d B :1. 1 1 . B y a n y . s t r e t c 14 o f t h e ku' ,o; .'.' - . . !' ': .. , !.: c . .' . . .l -i ima g ina t i on , I c an s e e n o re as on wh y i t i s n o t . a lr e adys'. z: .s y ). r.. ;t .( 'l on the floor. And as Representative Johnsoa pointed.out, .

' even within that Judiciary 11 Committee there were more k1

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votes for it tEan against it. I would urge you to .) .' support thfs as one of the more fmportant motions on the l

floor tonight.''

Speaker Redmond: HRepresentative Van Duyne.'' '1!

Van Duyne: ''Mr. Speaker, i move the previous questton.'' (1lSpeaker Redmond: 'fouestion is, shall tbe main question be ,

' 1lput? Thobe in favor say 'aye' aye, opposed 'no'. The t: j1'

ayes' have it, the motion carried. Who's to close? jI

Representative Johnson.'' . jl

Johnson: 'Q think everybody understands what the issue is> 1l .' 1

Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. And at the very !

l 3least, to the peopïe wbo migbt wind up oa this floor ;l I .' on Third Readfng voting to oppose this, this is somethlng;fl . i

that deserves to be discussed on the full floor of this !l

. 1j nouse. This is an issue that can affect every single ' .i14: i',;I person in thfs room and your familïes, from your. )

)Grandparents to your children. lluvenile' crime is 1 '1

' , ' ;lthreatening us all. If you want to vote agaiust it, j

' jv fif you think the Bill doesn t have the safeguards built i

I !. in: and I thiak it does& then vote against it. 3ut give .

I .us an opportunity to tell the people of Illinois how '!

. Ilwe feel about this most serious matter. I ask for your t

r f lf Iaye Vote. '- l!

speaker Redmond: ''Question is on the Gentleman's motion to lf ll .

discharge Committee on Judiciary 11 witb respect to l. !

lHouse Btll 272. Those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote j

I'no'. Representative Huskey to explafn his vote. One )

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minute. . .

Hùskey: '1We1l, Mr. Speaker, if there is any Bill that j

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is a good Bill and it's going to.-it's going to payIl revards in the future time to come if ït's passed. I ''1l.1 certainly hope that you give ft your full consideratton.'''i

' speaker Redmond: ''Have a11 voted wbo wish? RepresentativeI

BOCCEYVSY' 5l iIj Borchers: 'Q want to endorse this Bill. Some of tbe most' vicious crimes of al1 are being perpetuated in our state 1

and in this country are.m.from this very age group. It )j . jj is a most serious situation. A11 you byve to do is lj' t

read the crime report, not only in our own state, but 11

over this land. And it's time we forget.- their agel

seems to preclude the right of the staie to hold them ll

! as...as adults. I thfnk we should do somethfng about ft !i

. and now is the time so I certainly urge that you do 1

Vote 'yes'.''

Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Stuffle. 0ne minute to

explain his vote.''

l fle: 'fYe's. Mr. Speaker, it sbould be pointed out againI Stuf

ulearly that this Bill still says that there must be

an established, probable cause about the commission of

the offense. And even thereaftery there are provisions iIfor the judge and the court to act to keep this out of t1

adult situation and back in. the juvenile situation. If 1i

we don't tighten these things up, the continufng rampantltncrease in this type of felony is going to continue by I

' (1luvenfles. The only difference ls people are runnfng r

' jaway because of tbe term 'Juvenile'. Put some more I

Igreen votes up there on the board and at least let us !l

talk about the Bill on tbe floor of the House. If youlreillafraid of the term, you can still vote 'no' and go back !1land tell your people, the bleeding heartss that you II1

voted to keep'things the way they are. But 1et us hear i')I

it on the floor.'' '

speaker Redmond: l'Have a11 voted who wish? The Clerk willl --. . . . ----- --.

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51.' take the record. 0n this questiod there are 92 'ayef

; ' '' ' '.' . and 19 'no'. Thq motion carried. Representative

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j : . . j M a t i 1 e 'M' i c h . ' ''' w1$ Matijevich: uuell, Mr. speaker, I'm going to plead with you '' 4

. . ' . because some of us have to drive for- .four hours. And

1 this day may have not been one that we've worued hard, 1,' j

but as far as I'm concernedy it's one of the most '1'

j. frustrating days. Because the hardest work is when you

don't know whyt's going on and your mind gets boggled ll111 b it Aad I've watched' the Members on the floor and lY . :I

I'm telling you, those that have to drive four hours... '!1'

Mr. Speaker, youtve always been worried about the lI

velfare of tbe House and I think the highest priority 1' j

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now is that the Members go home. And I would now move 1I

to adjourn until 10 A.M. Tuesday: Mr. Speaker.'' 1

speaker Redmond: ''We11l be back at you a little bit later l. l

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. on. House Bill 300. Representative...Representative 3

Dyer. Representative Dyer.'' '!

' Dyer: ''Mr.. Speaker. I'm rising on a point of personal !. 1

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It lSpeaker Redmonds ''State your point. j

IDyer: HYes, everyone so far who has Ypoken on behalf of a !' @

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ion has made the point that their Bill was ldischarge m0t. i

.1an excellent Bill and would have passed had it not been 'l

. tfor the crunch that occured in the last two weeks. I i

. t1 laink, Mr. speaker, my good friend from Dupage county . 't Iwho I respect highly, you will recall that I had a I

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motion on the Calendar that would have solved that f' j

. . us the Hanahan lsituation. It would suspended for two wee l' )

Rule tbat you have to have the malority vote of those @;lappointed to a Committee and it would have said that ë

just 'for that two week period in the crunch when .we were i1

al1 running around that a quorum being present, a I. j

malority vote, could put Bills out on a do-pass motfon. .

A11 of these people...Members would have had a chance.

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u . j .. . They çould have been put on Short Debate/.they would '

have had a chqdce to have their Bllls heard in a. ' %'. - ..' 'u reas6nabfe timé-and in .'a reasonable way. That motionw ', .

é. .. jy. .1 was éeve ca1 d and it died on the Calendar. Recognizin'

the fate of my own Bill, at this time, Iîd like toê j

ltable House Bil1. . .my motion pertaining to House Bill I#

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Speaker Redmond: HRepresentative Dyers withdraws her motion j$

with respect to...whfch Bi11...656. Any other Member

l ' jthat has a comparable motion? 300. Pretty soon, John. I

300. Representative Chapman, for wbat purpose do you

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Chapman: ''Mr. Speaker, I note that on the Calendar motions IIIon regarding House Bill 626 by Mr. Flinn and by...House ;!iBi11 1200 by Mr. Reilly. What these two Representatives r

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yuuoa jare asking is to discharge the Human Resources Comm1

in order to recommit tbe...the two Bills to the Interim 'I. !Study Calendar. I sense that we may be adlourning soon .I

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l and I wonder if we couldn't act on this kind of a motion.l (

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)lThey would have been acted on in Committee had the Bflls j

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jbeen posted on that particular day. And I'd ask for 1l

1a leave for the Attendance Roll Call ff itîs agreeable

with Mr. Flinn and Mr. Reilly ln order to send these jl

two Bills to Interïm Study.'' l'îWhich 3i1ls are. they? 626706 1Speaker Redmond:

l .chapman: 1'626 and 1200.''

speaker Redmond: 'fAnd 1200. Is there any objection? NoI

for Iobjection, the Attendance Roll Call will be used l626 and 1200 to be put in Interim Study. 300. Repre- 'I

' sentative Kosinski.'' t' . i1, f t:e House, 1Kosinski: Mr

. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen o. I- I

this is a motion to discharge Judiciary 11 Committee for (

further considèration of Eouse Bill 300. House Bill 300 jl

is Habitual Criminal Act, the three time loser Bill. You '$

may well remember it <as introduced last Session with 1l5 l

. .g' v-'g .* . c x s s E M B L Yy,.g1. '% G E N E R A L. ? - . R7>. 't 5 . 1 1 - 7 9ï 'i% : ? ;' ral;, ' a ; s 'r A. T e2 o r 1 u u 1 N o I s'- V'. i- 'Es-=.p.u'' aouse o.- sse-ssa-mAv,vss .

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of us Cosponsoring it. It jpt out of the House will 123. 2 z '- *. . v.! . ' ' ..

votes, qinto the .senqte: into a Conference Commitiee,' : ''. ...'. . h

back'into the Sepaçqwxpd byâapy:'pf lack of bodies in

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j ' ' will of the House with l15 Cosponsors and 123 in passage

I that this be...Bi11 be considered. On tbat basis, I l

ask my friends on botb sides to please discharge thisl

Committee.''

Speaker Redmond; ''Representative Johnson.''

Uj Johnsoa: 'lMr. Speaker and Members of the House, late in tbe I1l I' wanning hours of the last Session, Representative t

-1 I'' Kosinski protested to amend this on another Bill and at thèI lI il tiae I opposed the Bill for certain reasons that I felt Il

icast doubt on the constitutionality of the Act. Since Ii

' . $that time Representative Kosinski, Members of the 11!

Governor's office and the various 1aw enforcement people 'I l

have put a Bill that I think is in as constitutional a !I 3shape and strong a shape as webre going to get aay Bill

' in thfs area. 'Thfs fs essentfal ff the...ff the... .

I l . 4multiplicity of crime rules under our Class X sentencing (

iing to have any viability at all. Because 1system are go

l' , . jif you have the system the way it is now

, it 11 be the ii

turn of the century or 20y 25 before the Act will even !l1go into effect. And I would certainly ask a11 the jti

people who felt at the time that Class X sentencing was jIl

a viable proposition to join with Representative Kosinski'

in discharging this fmportant Bill.H ll

speaker Redmond: ''Are you ready for the question? Representa-t' j

tive Mugalianz' il

Mugalian: ''I suppose it is unavoidable that we have a double I11 !standard here

. Sometimes we argue that it had a fu' j' ihearing and therefore the Bill should stay in Committee J' j

fWell the Committee really didnft 1and sometimes we say, ,' jdo a job and we think itls a good Bill and we ought to l

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. , but. I...I'm a Member of.that.committee and it did have .. . . '' l :. . k. ; .

a full hearfng. My. recoflediiàn Is thak we also had a. . .

jy y; jgj :. . r. j;g jjg .. . . .. ' . .. 'l v e r y g o o d a t t e n d a n c e' ' t h a t ' d ..k t' ' a n d : f. t - j ti s' t- '' J i d !i ' t g e tiji the votes. Now VeRre goidgPtlk:iâk é'loi of rhetoricj .about the Committee systel Vnd so fdrth and I'm notl .

1 speaking of the meriis of this Bi11, I voted against 11. l

i it but so did many others on the Committee. It didn t jIIget a majority and it' had a fair hearing.î' lI

. ISpeaker Redmond: ''Representative Kosinski to close.u I

i l ,, ' ;. jj Kosinski: My concern, Ladies and Gentlemen, is that the tj1

f this House, tbe will of this House, has been i

move o l' yother than the vote in the Judiciary Committee. It s i

1on that premise, I ask for this discharge.l' !,

i'' i i the Gentleman's motion to 1Speaker Redmond: Quest on s on

I lIdischarje Committee on Judiciary 11 with respect to 'll

House Bill 300. Those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'lIi'no'. Have a1l voted who wish? Have a11 voted who '

j ' .wish? Have a1l voted who wish? Yeah, there's somej 1-i

I green lights on here and the Members arenft here. Okayyl jI

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jI dump this Roll Call. Question is on the Gentleman s' 6 . jt

motion. Those in favor vote 'aye', opposed vote 'no'. 1' j

P 1 as e only vo te y our own swi t ch . I t ' s agains t th e ' le!

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IlRules. Have a11 voted who wfsh? Representative Stuffle .i

to'explain his vote.'' j''Yes, I don't think we should look at this merely as istuffle:

' ' jan attack on the Judiciary 11 Committee, but to point I

' out as Representative Kosinski'has pointed out time and l' î

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in: that tbis Bi11 in the past ùas passed out of tbis iagai

House with as many as 123 votes. And with that situation!!

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and 1 see .no change on the floor really in the opinion !$and the mood if not to make it even more likely that li

h an 12 3 migh t 6è Put up te re that to deny put t ing 'jmo r e t;1this Bill out on the floor would certaialy f1y in the!

face of the overwhelming policy opinion of this Housei

in the past. And I believe today, as well, that it

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should be put out on the floor lust as the other Bill, - s = q! ' D = i. ; r . ''*' .'r r . ' . .../ ' 't mx- r ..: .u z -. . &.t.' F2 :. . : u ' ..4 ;

that we previously put out a few momçnts ago.'.. And .1. . h . . . .. :. . . - -: :

would urqe some more qreen liahts onz:Reprqsentatfve :1 -- -- -- - : -- : ' a. -'.. z- --' e'-. - r '-. . .'- -- . . : 'l , ,, -j j K o s i n s k i s b e h a 1 f . .y .., q- e. t;; ., . ..'r. y, ..j - .',

lj Speak.er Redmoad: ''Have a1l voted who wish? H.ave all' votedl11 tsh wssh? T.e czerk wtzz take t:e record. on this ,W

11 tion tbeze's 7i 'aye' and 20 'no'. The centleman's :,

ques1 lmotion fails. 323. ...Macdonald, are you seeking 1

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recognition? 323. Representative Mugalian.'l II

Q Mugalian: ''This Bill was called about a week ago at which il I 1; time it was stated that that was the last day that it !

.on which it could be called and then a Representative

got up to state that the Btll was probably dead. I don'tlllwant this Bill to be called if it's against the Rules. I

And I therefore ask...ask the Speaker to...to confirm l' J

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Whether or not this Bill is alive or dead. If itfs !I

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udead, so be it. !1i1 Speaker Redmond: ''A motion to take from the table that 'jI ,1 carries requires l07 votes. It's been tabled but you .

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C8n take it from Che table With 107 votes. j1

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Mugalian: Wel1... lI lI ,,

'Speaker Redmond: nRepresentative Pullen. 1

1 I) Pullen: 'Mr. Speaker, Representative Mugalian refers to a

point that I made last week inquiring of you because you

had said that the reason you were calling this motion)j 'and a few others was because they had to be called11 ,yI because otherwise they would be...

lspeaker Redmond: ''I remember.''il r,Pullen: ...dead. I pointed out at the time that this Bill1had been tabled on March 8th and asked wbether that'me'ant that it was already dead and I donlt believe that

tyou ever gave us' a ruling. And I think Representative 1'

!Mugalian is asking for a clarification as to that point.f'l' j

ker Redmond: ''What's it on the Calendar for then? R'uleSpea

l. 33 is the one that applies here, 33 (b). If written

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56.motion to take a Bf11 from thè Table is filed within two' ' . x. vx y : -' ,c .. k ,. :' q. 2 : . ' J . t . x : : . tl ydays the Bill should be finally tabled. If a.potioû ,''. ' ..

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1 calendar only until the last legislative day of thç. .sI i

;1 legislative week subsequent to the week the motion gas111 filed. If the motion is not adopted by that day by a Il

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j vote of 107 Member's tbe Bill shall be tabled and finally1 ,l stricken and not berevived. So it looks like it shouldn t II !

be oa the Calendar today and it's stricken and cannot be

Q revived. Representative Mugalianz'I , lI !11 Mugalian: ''That's why I raised the question, Mr. Speaker. 1Ij '

$ - - jI don't kndw if any other Bills are in tha: posture.

j ' II m not suggesting that they be checked.out for that, l

but I accept the fact that for some reason I didnît get lll

an Opportunitx to have this Bill argued.'' 1I

HWe11, itfs...it may not be done. 335, lSpeaker Redmond:1l R

epresentative Macdonald.'l l

l Macdonald: 'îTbank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen

l of the House. I,n t:e seven years that I have been here1 ..1 )

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Because of the way things are going tonfght, I am going jI !to agree with Representative Matijevich, and I am going l

l. ito move to table this motton. I think when we have a ,

iIholiday weekenè and we have the trafffc on a Mother Day ?1lweekend from a11 of the students coming from Southern 'I

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Illinois to go home tbat it is absolutely ludfcrous for. l

Ius to be here at this'hour. And I would like to join j

1with Representative Matijevich to suggest that we adjournt

ill this General Assembly and come back here next Tuesday j

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and do Chis. in an Orderly fashfoa.îl lI il Speaker Redmond: t'Question i: on the Representative Macdonald'y

motion that we adjourn. lhose fn favor indicate by i i' b I1

voting 'aye', opposed by voting 'no'. Motion to adjourn.'i

Have a11 voted who wish? Have a11 voted who wish? !

Have a11 voted wbo wish? The Clerk will take the record.'

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. .- .n ., . . . : , . . , ... . 0n t il i s q u e s t :i. on th e re ' s 4 0 î av e î an d 5 3 ' n o 1 .an d . t h.e ..s ,. . . .

' motion fails. Representative Macdonald withdraws her ' '''' ' 11 motton with respect to House Bi11 3a5. Azo. z don'a ',. -'-'''d . . 1. ' '

j j .11 know what 1'm going to...I put the motion and the...the '' 7? '

' 3ody only gave it 39 votes. I know I could have. ' 'l R

epresentative Stuffle. Representative Grossi.'l

Grossi: ''Thank you: Mr. Speaker. I'd like to ask a question. I

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l .of tbe Chair. If the Chair could consider calling...or establishing the priority of call based upon theI

! Ij time when the motions were filed rather than.-'f t. l' speaker Redmond: ''We gave tbat study earlier in the day and 1

1elected to proceed according to this method. 410. '

RePresentative Stuffle.'' j!

Stuffle: ''Yess Mr. Speaker...'' l' j

,' :f fze ,, !Speaker Redmond: . .. .for Walsh. Representative Stu . t

' jStuffle: HYes, Mr. Speaker, I know this is a very controversial

1' Imotion. I don't believe the votes are therey apparentlyy

' ,r II would ask...take it from the record, please? j

lI d d ''T k it out of the record. 513. Stuffle.'' !speaker Re mon : a e ,

l' fy jj jStuffle: ' 0ut of the record, please.

1. lspeaker Redmond: nOut of the record.. .Repres...582. Repre- i

l1sentative Davis. Representative Jack Davis. Representa-i

tive Matijevich.'l . l I'

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Matilevich: ''Mr. Speaker, on the motion to adjourn. how many. jvotes does it take?''

Speaker Redmond: nSimple Majority.'' iI

' ijevich: fîI thought we had it.'' i!Mat1

Speaker Redmond: I...no, Ye did not.

Matijevich: ''I didn't look that closely, but somebody back ltI

bere told me we had it.'' !'. j

iSpeaker Redmond: ''NoZf ' tI)

M a t i ,j e v i c h : '' N o . ' ' i '. . i

, ' 1 s8a Repre- !Speaker Redmond: 'Hanahan doesn t count we1 . , j. ï

sentative Jack Davis.''

Davis: ''We11 thank you, Mr. Speaker, if I can have the '1 .

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. ..,.hu..*a....' z .atoention Of.the Body. ..Iîm nOt going tO, notwithstanding ..

. : ' ' .j the Pullen Rule, discuss the merits of what I obviously

1 ,. C. . ' - J . .' ' - think is a good Bill or I wouldn't have filed the motion.

. . j j '' 'jt . . House Bill 582 was heard in the...in a fiqe Subcommittee. 1' I headed by Representative Mike Getty in the Judiciary 11

! Committee. We worked on it for a very long time: for il11 . II ,' or five weeks: to make it validable to everybody II

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l thought that was on the Subcommittee. They voted itl . 'jout unanimously do pass as amended. Inadvertently, theI I

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Ij postingqwas...was not done for two weeks. And Chairman 11 . llj Katz himself stood up on this floor only two days ago... 11

three days ago and waived the posting rule to have it

lheard. And then because of quorum difficulties the last !1

day, I waited for hours in the Committee and Cbairman 1$

Katz bad left the room, Chairman 'Kosinski was in the t

' lI Chair and assured me tbat he would support this discharge'

l imotion because the Bill did not receive any vote at all,

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although the Subcommittee had voted for it. Chairman (I

! Katz also assured me that he would support this dischargel 'i

ld simply ask that...to have lmotion. So with that I wou i

l l . ', ithis Bill advanced to Second Reading. l

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speaker Redmond: ''Is there any further discussion? Representa- -

itive Catania on this motion.'' (1Icatania: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. j

' . i1 What he said is absolutely correct. I served on theI Subcommittee that heard tbe Bill and on the last day the !l

.. lcommittee met there was a 1ot of trouble keeping a )1

,, Iquorum. I think ke should support his motion. !

' jspeaker Redmond: ''Question is on the Gentleman's motion that I

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House Bill 582...the Committee on Judiciary 11 be j' (

hose in !discharged with respect to House Bill 582. T l' j

favor vote 'aye's opposed vote 'no'. Have a11 voted )l

Who Wish? Zave a1l voted'wbo wish? Have a11 voted who l' ) .

wish? The Clerk will...Representative Davis.'' f

Davis: ''We1l thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think it is importantl

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th4 t. .the f ai !'p:,p.... )? ><, sppwp. po. th.os e.. o f us. yllp. s.uf f ere d

with/k.with : Bill in Subcommittee for four or five

1 weèks: I onl.y.wjsh that the Vice-chairyany Mr. Kosinski,i I .11 or- .would speak for the Bill and Mr. Katz or Mr. GettyI .1 would hear. I would certainly urge some aorq green votesl

so that in deed we could possibly have a cbance to hear I'

this Bi11. I know a 1ot of people are laying off. If

you would, and I don't want to be dilatory, but perhapsi

we. could poll the absentees to...'1. 1

Speaker Redmond: HRepresentative Johnson.'' 1I

D i : '' h ' f the votes uav s .. . to get t e rest o .

Johnson: HIn fairness to Representatïve Daviss and I believe lhis hyphenated chief Cosponsor: Representative Piel: they j

iintroduced this B11l in the early of the Session, one of I

1the earliest Bills introduced. It was referred to j1

Committee right away and they have spent an incredible !i1

number of hours going through Amendments, Subcommittee '

hearing, discussion with the judges who support this,

opponents and proponents and came up with a workableI1 Bill that had the unanimous approval of the Subcommïttee

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.. .as Representative Davis indicated, everybody in ii

the Committee who was there tbought it had that sort of Jilconsideration and it ought to get out. And because of !' jIthose procedural things that happen in late days and1!

toward the deadlfne, it lust dfdn't get the votes because'l, Ithe votes weren t there. It never even got a hearing j

IAnd I Certainly think in light of tbe lOr a vote.

kincredible amount of bours that Representative Piel and s' j

lRepresentative Davis have speny on this that we ought to j

have a hearing here since they didn't have an opportunity!ito have a hearing in Committeezl I

I!Speaker Redmond: MRepresentative Matijevich.'' pi

HMr Speaker, just to alert the Assembly on any iMatijevich: . :

liRoll Call that receives 89 votes, we had.èone that went r

over and I knew it didn't have the 89, as long as we're

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gping to stay. her:; and .work I'4 going to be here until, '.. . . u x .. . k . .

j midaigh t 6.* af-teriy. I î m s ti 11 go ing to drive home , but. * I f m g cî i n g '' t o v e i k'Ly. .

'.a ny't h :i n g t h a t g o e s o ve r 8 9 b e c a u s e

i I . t h i s i s r e a 11y: ' 1ud i c r o'u s . '

We k n ow t h a t we d o n # t lz av eI'j 89, we didn't bave 89.0n the one Bill that Johnson1 .: I ! ' 1mov

ed out of here. I didn't question it but I'm gofng !I' I to do it from no. on.''' I( '' $ ,,' Speaker Redmond: Have a11 voted who vish? Representative

!B o r ch e r s . ''i

li ''z think I can give an exact example with my own 1Borchers:$ IIcase but I hate to bring ft up again

. But I...the judge j'

jthat I had in my case, we made an affidavit that he waslIprejudice. 1 have worked against him in the prior. . 1' !

election when he ran for Appellate Court. Now he knew 11

this. There was no question about it. It was well lltknown in my area. We pointed it out as a possible j1

' political prejudice. He refused to remove himself from 1l

the case. And...be was of course, overruled. It cost 'I

!l me thousands of dollars because this Bill was not in 'Il

lj existence. I ghink this is a most excellent Bill. It 1:: j ' Iwould have saved me and it may save you in the future. j'

j' JWhen a man works agalnst a judge and then he becomes

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jI that judge in your case and refuses to remove himself, 'il

r Zsome . . .there s got to be a solution somewhere. Thfs canI' j I...tbis Bill is that solution. I earnestly ask your

Isupport.''

l. Sp eaker Redmond : ''Repres ent ative Davis y f or wha t purp os e doo u r i s e ? 'îy .

Davis : ''We11. Mr . Speaker , I don 1 t wish to debate the merits i, ' !'

tof the Bill but for those of you who are reading the !'

jlDigest to see what it is a11 abouty the Amendment was !l

not even adopted because we' couldn't even get.a quorum J. ti !to hear the Amendment on the Bi11

. And the Amendment l') I

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completqly ha, been worked on for- .for weeks and weeks ;4 i

y 'in Subcommittee and the Amendment doesn t even appear in

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tla.q. D i g e s t.. . And .th q Ame n dmen t . w'i 1.1 b e ,a d o p t e d. .on . .

j s e c ond Re ad in g , i E was a'p a ér e'e d.' u'p o n Xmen dmen t.. s ol I wo u1d c e r t ai n ly . h'oi é; 't-li'a t'..Ré%'r e's e n t'â'E1 ùe . Mà t i j evfc h ,I ll

- . .! ( an d I c e r t a in ly und e r s t and . # o u r' . .p ö in.t ,. J oh n y wo u ld1

1 i thdraw his re quès t f o r. a ve r if ica t ion on thi s is s ue .1 WYes I do . I ' m not . '' i

j Speaker Redmond: HThere are some votes on the board thatI

Members are not in their seats. Rave a11 voted who1

wish? Representative Davis.'li i 1

Davis: HWe11 then, Sir, I suppose 1:11 have to poll the ll I !6 ' r Iabsentees. 1 don t wish to be dilatory in the House .l

but it is an important Bfll and I think that...'' )1

Speaker Redmond: ''Okay. The Clerk will take the record. On li

's 96 'aye' and 7 fno'. Representa- !this question there1

f the !tive Matijevicb has requested a verification ol

ffirmative Roll Call, Representative Davis has 1A

Il requested a poll of the absentees. Poll the absentees, i!;

, , iMr. Clerk. !I!1 clerk O'Brien: ''Abramson. Ackerman. Balanoff. E.M. Barpes. '.l li i

l Jane Barnes. Beatty. Preston. Braun. Breslin. 1I '

ii Brummer.'' 1l

1 lISpeaker Redmond). ''Representative Kempiners has problems here. i

,1 iI What's...would you verify Representative Kempiners down 1

lin front here?'' !

l1 , 1, iI Clerk 0 Brien: Cgpparelli. Capuzi. Cbristensen. Conti. .

1 ' 1Cullerton. Daniels. Dawson. Domico. Ebbesen. Epton. 1I

jEwell. Dvight Friedrich. Getty. Greiman. Griesheimer., l

lHarris. Emil Jones. Kane.. Katz. Kornowfcz. 1

IKosinski. Kozubowski Kucharski. Laurïno. Lechowicz. i,t ILeon. Marovitz. McBroom. Mcclain. Mccourt. McGrew. 11

. !! ', ( 'Mugalian. Murphy. Kulas. 0 Brien. qpechous. Pierce. j

!Rea. Richmond. Rigney. Ronan. Ropp. Sandquist. '

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Schisler Schlickm'an. Schneider. Schuneman. Sharp. i

Slape. Stearney. .swanstrom. Terzich. Vitek.

Von Boeckman. Watsbn. White. Williams. Winchester.

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Speaker Redmond: llverlfy the Affirmative Roll Ca11.'f

' j Clerk O'Brien: HAlexander.'' .. . . J: . ( . . t .

j S p e a k e r R e d m o n. d : . 11 S h e ' s h e r e . 1' . . . . j . , .. , ..z , . . ,

. .y jr. ,..s . . ,Clerk o'Brien: ''Anderson. Bell. Biapco. .Birchler. .

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' ' ' S e'aker Re dmond : ''Re resentative Wolf si t down I can # tP P , .

lsee whether Representative Bluthardt is here.'

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Unknown: ''Vinson.'' 1' !! S

peaker Redmond: HRyan, please sit down .'' '

l I ' Iil clerk ofBrien: ''Borchers.'' lISpeaker Redmond: ''Mr. Doorkeeper.n

Clerk O'Brien: HBoucek. Bower.''. (

Speaker Redmond: 'lRepresentative Slape, for what purpose do ,1

i s e ? lî ' iy 0 u r j1

Slape: ''Yes Mr. Speaker, vould you please record me as fyesl?n ', !t ' 1Speaker Redmond: 'fRecord him as 'yesl.n l

. ;:Clerk o'Brien: ''Bradley. Bullock. Campbell. Catania.

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1 Collins. Currie. Darrow. Davis. Duester. Diprima. 'I . . I

l Donovan. Doyle. John Dunn. Ralph Dunn. Dyer. 1.l I! i

Woodyard. Ewing. Farley.'' j' j

Speaker Redmond: nRepresentatïve Farley.'' . . ). .

'- - !lClerk ofBrien: ''Flinn. Virginia Frederich. Friedland. 1i' jGarmisa

. Goodwin. Grossi. Hallock. Hallstrom.. '1l

Hannig. Hoffman. Hoxsey. Hudson. Huskey. Jaffe. i'

tJoinson. Dave Jones. Keane. Kelly. Kempiners. Kent. 1'

jKlosak. Leinenweber. teverenz. Macdonald. Madigan. l

1Mahar. Margulas. Matula. Mautino. McAuliffe. .

' (McMaster. Meyer. Molloy. Mulcahey. Neff. Oblinger. I'

jPatrick. Peters. Piel. Pouncey. /ullen. Reed. i1' jReilly. Robbins. Ryan. Schoeberlein. Scbraeder.

. j' j' jHenry. Simms. Skinner. Slape.. Stanley. E.G. Steele.

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' C.M. Stiehl. Stuffle. Sumner. Taylor. Telcser. . .i

1Totten. Tuerk. Van Duyne. Vinson. Waddell. Walsh. ;

Wikoff. Willer. J.J. Wolf and Yourell.'' ,

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. . . Spe ake r Re dmond : '' ltke s t: ions o f the Af f irmat ive . Ro 11 C.a l.1 .,.,,. . , u. ' .

Representative Hanahan ayeê.' Hanahanc 'aye' '& ..'> * .. ..

Repr e s ent a t ive Ma t il evi cb . Rep'r e s en t at iv e Ma t i 1 ev i clz .'''..';. '', m .z

1 ,1$ Who? .

Matijevich: ''Waddell.''

Speaker Redmond: HHe's in the back there.'f '

Matijevfch: nTuerk.l'

Speaker Redmond: ''Tuerk. Representative Tuerk here? How''s

he recorded?uIclerk O'Brien: lîThe Gentleman is recorded as voting 'aye 1

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,, ,, j .Speaker Redmond: Remove him.Matijevich: HTotten says he would have voted 'aye' if he

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were here. Taylor, îaye'. Taylor.'' jlS

peaker Redmond: ''Representative Taylor. How is he recorded?f'lIl

Clerk OfBrien: ''The Gentleman is recorded as voting 'aye'. '' f!

Speaker Redmond: HHe's àown in front here. There he is. ;1

That's the zittte guy.'' !1!

Matijevich: ''Stuffle.n (!- !

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1 s eauer Redmond: ''stuffle.'' ;Pi

''0h there he is. Mulcahey.'' 1Matijevich: , !1

S ker Redmond: HRepresentative Mulcahey here? How's he !Pea jirecorded?'' !

clerk O'Brien: ''The Gentleman ts recorded as voting 'aye'.'' !I

Speaker Redmond: ''Remove him.'î IMAtijevich: ''Ted Meyer.''

S ker Redmond: HMeyer. Meyer. Way in the back there... ipea' I

, , . jRep res en ta tive Fr iedl and s s ea t . Is Friedland Cthere too?i

' $ Y e a h . $M a t i J e v i c h : lSpeaker Redmond: ''Okay.u !

. jMatijevich: ''As long as we're back there, is Klosak back Il

' jt h e r e ? '' @l

speaker Redmond: ''Representative Klosak. Is Klosak there? l.#How's be recorded?''I

. 1clerk OfBrien: ''The Gentleman is recorded as voting 'aye'.'' '. h

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Speaker Redmond: ''Remove him. Representative Mulcahey has

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returned.'''

1, 'fMatilevich: Hoxsey.

., ! Speaker Redmond: HRepresentative Hoxsey. Representatfve

' Vinson, I can't see, will you please sft down? Sit

1 down. No, I can't see through you. Is Hoxsey here?ll , ' , iHow s she recorded?

Clerk o'Brien: ''Tbe Lady is recorded as voting 'aye#.r' !

Speaker Redmond: HRemove her.n I

Matijevfch: 'lGene Hoffman.''l' l '' , ', 'jj Speaker Redmond: How s he recorded? jClerk O'Brien: ''The Gentleman is recorded as voting îaye'.''

speaker Redmond: ''Remove him.''

l ''M tino.''

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1Matijevich: au 1lspeaker Redmond: ''Mautino here? Mautino. How's he recorded?'l1!

Clerk OlBrien: 'fThe Gentleman is recorded as voting fayed.'' ll'

j' , f I lSpeaker Redmond: Here he is

, down here. Put him back on. .!ll Ma t ij e vi ch : '' Ewin g . '' I

1: '' ,' ,, ''-Speaker Redmond: Representative Ewinj here? How s heII ded? ''I r e c 0 rI

1 clerk o''Brien: ''Tbe centleman ts recorded as voting 'aye'.''1

Speaker Redmond: HRemove him.''

Matijevich: ''John Dunn.''

Speaker Redmond: I'John Dpnn is in the wrong seat but he's

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Matijevich: HPhil Collins.''

Speaker Redmond: 'îDon't hear him so he can't be here.

Representative Collias. Collins. Collins.''

. Matijevich: ''Going, going...''

speaker Redmond: ''Take him off.''

Matijevich: 'fGone. Bluthardt.'î

Speaker Redmond: ''Representative keyers.''

. Meyers: HRepresentative Waddell has a petition to present

you.

Speaker Redmond: HHe what?î'

Meyer: HRepresentative Waddell has petition to present you.

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.. Would you get the Parliamentarian to'rule on it?'î

Matijevich: 'lBluthardt.''1 s 'eaker Rédmond: ''Represencative Blut:ardt here? Remove him.''. ( P17 jIt'Matijevich: Speaker, I guess I told Phil Collins he could

leave and I didnt't know that was understood so take.. .

put Phil Colllns back on. He was right in front of me.''lSpeaker Redmond: HPut Representative Collins back on. Here

he comes. Constantly. We put him on.'r 1. '

yy y jMatijevich: Anderson. 0h...1et s see. Kempiners. I saw I

f' Ihim vith his briefcase and I thought maybe he... I

lSpeaker Redmond: HHe sitting down over there I think. Repre-

sentative Kempiners. Yeah, there he is.''. t

Matijevich: HAlright. I have no further...l' lI

HWhat's the count? On this question, 92 lSpeaker Redmond:Ii

'aye' how many 'no'? 6 'nol and the Gentleman's $11

motion carries. 614. Representative Davis.'' iI

: )Davis: PMr. Speaker, I'd just like to thank the House for

taking all this time on this and I sympathize with

I Representative Matfjevich...''

Speaker Redmond: Hokay. 614. We heard that before. Repre-

'sentative Griesheimer. 0ut of the record. 626 is...

Interim Study'. 656: Interim Study. 709. 0ut df the

record. 740. Representative Stuffle.n

Stuffle: HYes, Mr. Speaker and Membersy House Bi11 740 deals

with an fmportant issue, two important issues. 0ne that

we not mandate any additional education programs without

the money. And two, that we live up to the committment

of the Constitution to fund the prizary' amount of money

for Elementary and Secondary Education.f'

Speaker Redmond: 'îRepresentative Anderson, for what purpose

do you rise?''

Anderson: ''Yes, Mr. Speaker, how many votes wi1l it take to

. . .for this motion? The Bfll is in Interim Study right

91n0W .

Speaker Redmond: 1'0h, ft is on...fn Interim Study?''

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66.Anderson: ''Yes Sir.''

Stuffle: Hlf it's fn Interim Study I did not move to put it

in 'Interim Study. In fact, set in the Committee on. ' J ' '

Education until thé last hour for the fifth week in a

row waiting for the Bill to be called and we lost the

quorum at that point.'l

Speaker Redmond: ''Is it in Interim Studyy Mr. Clerk? Itds' in

Interim Study. Parlfamentarian what...Representative' jI

Stuffle, the Parliamentarian advises me that it takes'

1 107 and you make that aext week tbe same as...H 'l I lstuffle: 1fWe11, I1d like to know how it got in Intprim Study 1'

jsince I did not make the motion and I sat in that 1

lCommittee at that time whea we did put Bills in Interim :l

!Study by the request of the Sponsor and did so on I

Iseveral...on ond' Roll Ca11.H !1

fSpeaker Redmond: 'lRepresentative Huff, for what purpose do plI

you rise?'' ll !11 Hpff: ''Mr. Speaker, it comes to the same thing. Whether the jl . . !I the question would be.- is resolved, how it got there.I .j You still have to make the motion wbich would requireI' 107 votes to take it outw''l ,

,1 ' . j: tSpeaker Redmond: Point of order. The point is that...t a

there's no way ve can tell how it got in Interim Study.

That's where it is now as far as wefre concerned.

Representative Matfjevich.''

Matilevich: nExcepts Mr. Speaker, he claims he was in the

Committee and as Sponsor of the Bill they couldn't have

had a vote on the Bill if he wasn't there. And if he

was there, I don't know how it could have gotten in

Interim Study.''

Speaker Redmond: ''We11 how can we go back of the record that

we have though, Representative'Matijevi'ch.''

Matijevich: ''We11 accept tbat if be's right: he only needs

89.',

Speaker Redmond: ''It's on.- as far as' our record is concerned.' ;

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' 67.' it's in Interim Study. Representative Stuffle.''

stuffle: ''Yes,'.Mr.3 Speaker, I and Representative Birchler

clearly sat thro'ught'the .'entire meeting that day untfl

the point thatrRepresentative Schneider adjourned the)

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meeting for lack of a quorum. We were there with a

. number of Bills for many weeks, fncluding the last...we ,'

jdid not in any way put tbis in Interim Study. I had

five witnesses there on that Bi11 that particular day

aud I'm certain that there was no way tbat this Bill' was put in Interim Study and I would have oblected kf 1

there was an attempt to do so. We did not have the

Members there to even hear a Bi11, 1et alone bave the lnumbers necessary to put a Bill in Interim Study at 'I

If lthat point.. I

HRepresentative Birchler.'' 1Speaker Redmond:1!

Birchler: OMr. Speaker and Members assembled here. I sat ll

j through th; Elementary and Secondary Committee day after 1!' Stuffle spoke here. I stay onuthis floor iday as Mr. 1

Ifrom the time it starts in the morning until it ends 1I . (

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at night koo, day after day. The Bills were called Il 1' for Members who are not on the Committee. We Members i

Iwho were on the Committey held our Bills at tbe !

request of the Compittee Chairman aad when it got to I. I '

' lace where there wasn't a quorum anymore, you 1the PIcouldn't have your Bill called. 1, too, had a Bill in

there...witaesses wafting and'there were more witnesses

lthan there were Members on the Committee. Aad I take 1

the same position that Mr. Stuflle takes on this'

jparticular Bi11. ''ls

eaker Redmokd: nrhe only point as far as ï'm concerned is 'P jthe record shows it in Interim Study. And 1 don't know l

1any way that I can go back of the record. Representative!

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stuffle.'' j!' jStuffle: HYes, I'd like to apk où a pofnt of inquiry if the jl

record indicates on what day allegedly tbis Bill was put 1' l

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68.in Interim Study?''

Speaker Redmond: ''Mr. Clerk...iMay '10.. .Representative

S t u f f le . ' î t :. : 4 '-,r' : J :-$ ' -

S tuf f le : '' 'rhat app ear s at o . me r.ab ou: ..asx-'.ab s urd and ludicrous1

as possfble because we did not' meet in that Committee

lon May the 10th. No motion was. made from this floor l

E o u t a B i 1 l i n I n t é r i m s t u d y o n M a y t b e 1 0 t' h . ' ' lP . I

sp eaker iedmond : ''We ' 11 t ak'e .i t out o f the reco rd now and )lthe Parliamentarian will go up and check the Committee lI

(% record, Mr. Stuffle. Representative Stuffle.'f 4j I '

1Stuffle: ''Perhaps I could point out something I think might 1

be important on this. As 1 recall the Committee met on

May the 9th. 0n May the 9th I put my motion in to 'l1discharge the Committee. That was the last day that 1. !

that Committee met. Thereîs no way at a11 possible that !1

that Committee took action after the fact'of its 1I!adjournment for lack of a quorum. This Bill is not in !i

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fInterim Study: period. And if it vas assigned to i

!Interim Study by any other action, it was assigned :1 ' -k

j to Interfm Study in a matter tbat violates my rights ltI :' and :he Rules of this House.'f !

1tSpeaker Redmond: ''Representative Totten.'' I

. lTot ten : ''We11 , I think . . .Mr . Spe aker , I think the Sponsor ;1. l* . (is in a dllemma. I wond'er if...I don't think it's a i

igood Bill, but wouldn't like to happen to me what !lIhappened. to him. And I wonder if we couldn't ask leave !l

to use the Attendance Roll Call to take it back and put '!1!i

t in proper order and then 1et them go up or down with (' l

u lthe 89... l

lf ' ISpeaker Redmond: Well the only problem that I have here is !

ha t I have the ac cumu la t ive Commi t te e Rep or t , Rep res en t aât!l

tive Schneider: Chatrman of the Committee on Elementary il1and Secondary Educatfon. Now the May the 10th day is an I

. terror. It says, 1to which the following Bills were ';

referred, actfon taken on May 8, 1979, and reported

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69.the' same with the following recommendationss 740,

Interim Study; 1024, qnte/'im Study'; 1,1959 Interim Study;

1268. Representative Collins.'' ..':tl . .j Collins: nMr. Speaker, if you hurry you''mightl'getreRepresenta-

tive scbneider about sherman, that's âbout wEere he is

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Speaker Redmond: ''Well...Rep...Representative Hallstrom.'' !

Hallstrom: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As a' Member of theI

Elementary and Secondary Education, I#d like to back up l'

j Mr. Representative Stuffle because I do not believe he jl 1.' put that on Interim Study.''

Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Totten has suggested that we 1. I

!take the Attendance Roll Call and put House Bill 740I1back into the Committee. Not in Interim Study, back j

. l' jinto the Committee and tben your motion would lie.

. iRepresentative Stufflez' l

1Stuffle: ''Yes, Mr. Speaker, you J'us,t also read an addïtional $

1J

Bill of mine which also filed a motion on on May the i

j 9th, 1195. And 11m goiag to ask at some point that we 'j'

review the tapes of that Committee. Thereês only oneI .l way that that could have been taken at the point and

time that we were in that Committee and that was to use

an 'Attendance Roll Call and we didn't even have a quorum

at that pofnt.n

Speaker Redmond: ''Do we have leave to take the Attendance

Roll Call witb respect to House Bill 740 and House

Bill 1195 and put them back into the...committee on

Elementary and Secondary Education? Do we have leave

for the Attendance Roll Call? Hearing no objection:

leave is granted. 3e back into the Committee on

Elementary and Secondary Education. Now we recognize

Representative Stuffle with respect to his motion to

discharge that Committee as far as House Bill 740.

Representative Stuffle.'d

Stuffle: HYes, 1'm sorry for the problem but I didn't

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4ppreciate the manner that done by.- vhatever action or .. . . : . - . ) . = '. y . .. .é d L r'eiteràte' 'mistake that it was. As said before, n ,

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740 deals with two important subjects, fea'ching t'he'l . ' ' . ' jjrb gj

. jgr Nyjjj jjjrr ' jjjk ijjj. yjjtà 'gry yyy: , - '' ' ''. .. ' ' :'' target goals of the Constitution and funding

and Secondary Education out of state mone# and provibingI

that there be no additional mandated state educational j' d five' 1program witbout money from the state. I waite

weeks to hear tbis Bill in Committee. I was told

continuously, as were other Members of that Committee,1 j 1

we'll get to your Bills. We never dfd in tbose five j!weeks

. We finally were ready to get to them when

Represeatative Schneider said we don't have a quorum

at the fifth meeting. I would point out to you I think jI

very well that we were trampled on in that Committee. 1. j

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lWe did not have a right to have these Bills heardy this j

;' .1Bill or others, in that Committee. There's no question j1 ii

that tbat is a fact. I wa. there witb witnesses each l

of those five occasions from a11 over the State of 1. 1J

Illinois on a number of Bills. I would ask you in I!Icommon decency and courtesy on an issue of this ll'

tmportance for t:e state, to the constttution and uhe j1i

people that have nade it clear on hand Constitutionally :'

1that they want us to be the primary source of fundingk

lA a t th is Bi 11 should come ou t . And numb er two , on the Itfact that people have said over and over in each of

your districts, they don't want new programs mandated

discharge motion On Chis Parzicular Bi11.H. l

Speaker Redmond: IlRepresentative Meyers.'' li

Meyers: ''Mr. Speaker, point of order. How can you, when j1

bas signed a, what I vould view an affidavit: that this . !. k

Bill has been disposed of in one fash.ion or another... i'

('t mean diddly- 1unilaterally say that his signature doesn

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Spe aker Re dmond : 'll'ha t ' s no t wh at we s aid . A .xmo t i op .was . .. . - a r.. . = ...

made to recommit it to the...Elementary and Secondary1 .'d Education Committee which was a proper motfon. It was.:. .'' oI'

discharged from Interim study, it was recommitted thèr'è-: '$

by a proper motion and we did not in any way question - '

l the report of the chairman of the Elementary and '1l

Secondary Education.. Representative Meyer.''l Ij' . 1l Meyer: OMr. Chairman, I would object on behalf of Representa-''j

ltive Schneider who has apparently given up the ghost

I I Jd fled the scene. And I don't know who the Vice- lan

IChairman of the Elementary and Secondary Education

Committee is, but apparently he or she has left the.à

scene additionally. I would think that: I mean, if jlsomebody has signed a report that eitber it's true or li

' false. And if itls false, they should admit' their 1it s !!.!wrong doing and they should be here. And as a MinorityI

Spokesman of one Committeey I would support the Committeei1system an'd hope we vote 'no' o

n this Bil1.1'11 1)

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! ,, s yutt.Speaker Redmond: Representative...it says Mulcahey t ere, i

lit looks like Darrow. Darrow. Oh, Representative l1 ;' IMulcahey

.''

IiMulcahey: ''Mr. Speaker, I...I1m Vice-chairman of the l:!

1Elementary and Secondary Education Committee and I am1jin-deed here. So what's the problem?''

Speaker Redmond: uRepresentative Meyer: what's your point

I of order?'l l''Well I would adjust the question to the Vfce-chairman/. Meyer:

What was the disposition of this éill? Did it go to'

jInterim Study or d1d it not?o j

ISpeaker Redmond: HThat's academic now, wedre already on this 1

t

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1motion. Any further discussion? The question is on I'

l1the Gentleman's motion to discharge Elementary and I1Secondary Education with respeet to House Bill 740. tII

Those in favor vote êayely opposed vote 'no'. Have #

!a11 voted who wish? Have a11 voted who wish?. Have a11 1. l .

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i 72,voted who wish? Representative Skfnner. Have a11

. . , voted who wish? The Clerk will take the record. On. !

. this cuestion there's 40...51 'ave' and 27 'no' and

1 ' the motion failed. 928. 928, Representative Bowman.''. .. . , .

' ..t c . ' 1. . . j .. I Bowman: H1 withdraw the motion.'' '

Speaker Redtond: 'fWhat was that?'f . 'I1, ' 1, 'Bowman: I withdray the motion . T

' Speaker Redmond: HThe motion is withdrawn. 931. Representa- jItive Meyers.''

i Meyers: l'Mr. Speaker: I'd like the record clear. Is tl lRepresentative Schneider tn the Chair...l mean, in

the Chambers or has he gone home?'' I9 , 19 1Speaker Redmond: '1 don t have the slighest idea

. j' jMeyer: ''We11 is he entitled to perdiem if he's gone home?''

1

1' 't know, we#ll...send that to the 1speaker Redmond: I doni

Comptroller. 931, Representative Walsh.'' 11

- jl 'W 1sh : ''Mr . Sp eaker and Ladies and Gentlemen o f the House , Ia

(@my motion to discharge the Transportation Committee on!:

jgI .' House Bill 931 goes really to the organization of this 1I tj General Assembly and to the assignment of the various ji la 5. Members to Committees after the Assembly was organized.

i' JAnd I donft çriticize you, Mr. Speakery I think that !

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you're pretty much a token up there. I criticize those I1' jpeople who really run this place. And I poiut out to !I

you that the Transportation Committee consists of 11l

Democratsy 10 of whom are employed in government in I

Cook Countyy only l does not have a Cook County patronageé' . j'

jjob. So I suggest to you that anyone offering a BfllI

' ith an agency of tbe Democratfc )tbat would play havoc w lIparty ia Cook County

y a patronage haven, would...'' tI

nRepresentative Bradley , for what purpose 1Speaker Redmond:1

. 1 .do you rise?''l'jBradley: HWe11: I rise for a point of ordery Mr. Speaker. I

' j1 know we extended the Rules so that we could talk about 1

$

the merfts of the Bill that he wants to discharge and... ' !

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. and also the motion, but I think the Gentleman's

,'speaking about something else entirely and I wish he

j. : 'wou d stay té the sublect. And think that he saidb.l :.' lier this evening ïf I...if I heard bim correctly,6. ear

tbat we would never get to this Bill anyway.'l

Speaker Redmond: HYou wouldnît deny...Representative Bradley,

please 1et him proceed. You wouldn't deny him this

pleasure would you? Proceed, Mr. Walsh. This is a.

ninth term I've heard this one.'''

,. .. j'Walsh: ''What I was going to say. . .what I was going to sayy

j Mr. Speaker, before being rudely interrupted was thattbat 11th Member who is not a double-dipper, a patronage

liworker of the Democratic Party in Cook County

, would lbave been replaced I'm sure when this Bill was called '

Ilbecause this Bill attempts to place the duties of the i1' jChicag

o Transit Authority under the Regional Transporta- j1

tion Authority and do away with the CTA Board. That I)iseems to me to be an emanately good idea, Mr. Speaker, ;I

1 but am certain that it xould not be construed as t11

Isuch with the Transportation Committee. Also, Mr.! j 1' ker, a little research reveals that the Members of i.Spea I

. 'ttbe Transportation Committee are pretty well over worked k

lnk a11 of them 1anyway and probably grumpy because I thiIwho are Democratic patronage workers also have threel'' k h ou other Democrats lI more committees. I don t now w y y

over there that don't depend upon the Democratic

organizatfon for your election don't rise up in righteousiIindignation over the fact that some of you have two and

. !others' three Committees. I d'on't knpw why these fellows j

jthat have tbe political jobs in Chicago and Cook County j

. ishould have four and you people only have two and in i1

s o me . . . '' Il

''Representative Madigan, for what purpose 1Speaker Redmond:l

(I do you rise?'' !,. i

Madigan: ''Mr. Speaker, would you please instruct the Gentleman!I .

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t h a t i f h . d p q s . n p t . Q i ; 14 . t q c o mp J y w i t h o u r Ru l e s y . t h a tJust'as a hum@n,besng, he might operate and speak within

1 the:bounds ofudvèçncy?.. He may disagree with the actionst

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j of certain Mqmber>rmf.this Body, he may disagree. with

derivation of certain Members of this Body: but I think

' that you owe a modicum of r'espect to everyone.''

Speaker Redmond: HProceed, Represeatative Walsh. And Repre- 1ljsentative Collinsy 'you stop interrupting Representative I1

Walsh. He's having his night of glory.'' jI IWalsh: ''To those

: Mr. Speaker, entitled to respect, I give Il - !Irespect. Now I. ..my good friend, Sparky, whom I admire I

and qave admired for a long ttme, is I see, on his feet j1

d is the button is going and is going to 1and I are say ...iIhave something to say about...about this motion. I lt

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bmit to you, Sparky that I didn't go to your Committee !su1lmeeting for the reasons I numerated, namely that this... il

this Bill was on your hit list. You would not have1igi

ven it a fair shake. It deserves a fair shake. And il1

I...I'm going to ask for a Roll Call although I know I 1.I ildon't have a chance of getting sufficient vôtes because )l

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lrI suspected maybe this is one of the Bills that the.. .thej

!1 Leader over therey the fellow that spoke a little $rea

tIhile ago about being a Gentleman...it really is 1W l

!llaughable. I suspect that this was one that. .that they l

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ant to get a fair bearing. They did not want ldfd not wIanywhere near the full cgmpliment of people here because II

it is so...so right. aAad...and I tbink if hearing the

arguments on it...I thfnk we might have gotten the 89

votes. 0f course, we don't have the chance now because

those people we mentioned before, the patronage workers, jlthose that are still able to keep awake, are over there Ii

and the other people are...have gone home. Sp I would l. 1

i' urge, Mr. Speakery t:at everyone votes îyes' on this )

1motion and letls see what we can do.'' !

' jSpeaker Redmond: Pouestion is on the Gentlemanfs motion. 16

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Repr'esentative Skinnerj. youlre.in.the-wrong place.''

yf ' , . ' . !skinne r : Mr . Sp eaker , I m iiz Re/.re s en ta tive Barnes s ea t

l b e c aus e I th ink sbkerùn' ê' 's ho u'l'd''4 'd è f en d. . lz i à n ew1 , . ' 1.t app o in tmen t . An d 5 on.'l h4 s'l b ehral'f .k az I . a s k' p e o p le t o vo t e

1 no . Now if yoù 11 give me a chance to go back to my' 1

seat and give you my reasons for wanting people to vote 1

1 t 1fn0 .

lSpeaker Redmond: ''Leave...Representative Skinner to return to

jhis own seat...and stay there. Representative Totten I' j 're on , Representa-lobjects. Representative Skinner. YouI li 1

j tjve Skinner.''Skinner: HNow from a suburban point of view. The.. M

lSpeaker Redmond: HRepresentative Yourell, for what purpose l1

1do you fnterrupt?'' i

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Skinner: ''...is not one of my goals and this Bill will make !(

' reasonable government stronger...'' lIlYourell: ''I don't know..'.l don't know why the Gentleman is JJ1

recorded special privilege to speak twice on the same ,11- .(I

,issue. I have no objection. I m delighted to hear what 1i

he has to say, but it is in violation of the Rules of i' (1 (

the House. He spoke here and now he's over there to l1 lispeak. And if he wants to speak, just gouright ahead, f

. Ibut Skinner's always been a proponent of the Rules of !

lthe House and if he wants to violate those Rules: I I

Ihave no objection.îî

Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Dunn.'' I!

Dunn: ''Mr. Speaker, I think the Gentlemanls remarks are I' jneither here nbr there on this issue. L'et's go on.''i

Speaker Redmond: Hûuestion is on Representative Walsh's 1Imotion. Those in favor vote fayet, opposed vote 'no'. 'j

!Have a11 voted who wish? Representative Walsh to explainl

i$h is vo t e . '' fl

W 1 h : '' We 11 I ' d j us t li k e t o r e s p o n d t o R e p r e s e n t a t i ve la' S !!

Barnes and Reoresentative Szinner. Reoresentative l' *' *' J

Skinner raises the point that the RTA expands regional

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g o v e r nmen t . . Th e RTA .. :i. s - a - f a c t .. o f e: 1i f e , .cw i t .::.e x i s t s .s a n d .. .A . z.

so is the CTA. 0ne is wasteful.' I.woûly.ujust.as soén

l have given the function'of'-theé'RTA toz'theocTAkéxcept foril the make-up of the board. Ihe make-uj'.o-fpithe'board' is

not representatlve of the distbict and that is the

l reason that I chose the RTA. I have no particular loveI

for the RTA but one of these two is duplicative. Itsl

seems to me that because of the make-up of the board, 1the CTA is and .thàt's...that's why I did it that way.

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Cal, change your vote/' !Speaker Redmond: ''The Clerk will take the record. 0n this

questton there's 50 'aye' and 31 'no'. The Gentleman's

motion failed. 1056. Representative Matijevich.''

Matijevich: HMr. Speaker, only to 1et everybody know that 1I

I'm going to do this once and a while because I tbink 11

, , lit s tb: right thing to do, I m going to again move to 1

11adjourn until Tuesday at' 10 A.M. I think...l think thatl

we're getting silly, and I enjoyed a11 that, but still

l wefre not really going to do any work so I think thatl

we ought to adjourn and I so mbvevn

S'peaker Redmond: HWe'l1 put that motion pretty soon. 1056.

Representative Bower. You took those out of the record;

Representative Deuster. Representative Bower. Repre-

* sentative Bower.''

j Bower: ''Mr. Speaker, 1056 I have sfnce put in to Interim

Study and also 2135.9'

Speaker Redmond: ''Does the Gentleman have leafe to have 1056i

and...and what was the other one?''

Bower: '12135 Sir.''

Speaker Redmond: ''2135 in Interim Study. Hearing no

objection, the Attendance Roll Call

Bower: ''Thank you.''

Speaker Redmond: H...lnterim Study. 1126, Griesheimer. 0ut

of the record. 1194, Representative Collins. YouRre

going to pick up your due bills on this one.''

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C o 11i n s : '! I t h i nk e v e r yb o d y wo u ld - s up p o r-t - ct h i.sa B i71.1.'; .'....t.h4zs.u u n.vs .. a- ,

mo t ion , Mr . sp eaker . Thi s is the s o xczlzled sma'l'1:ku.?..-.-.' ' ,;. : Cr

I sma 11 b u s tn e s sman ' s Bi l 1 th a.t h a s b e en' s'o , ao'p-y 6 s e'd . .b-y.' ie' ' g:: ?-E -: :A ..: .. z!i t

.t t the li quo r in dus t ry and by the b i g . .cùain . s to re s/k'u ;; lAncï''. .: i.?: e

I think everybody knovs wha t this B'i 11 is ab out and 1. . .$ zl ,, .7 would just ask for a favorable Roll Call. I'j Speaker Redmond: ''R'epresentative Skipner doesnf't know what 1I

it's about. Any further discussion? Reéresentative J

Diprimazîi ''Yes Mr. Speaker, on House Bi11 1194. That came 1! Diprima: , j

Iup before one of the most proficient Committees in the '1

Rouse here, House Veterans Affairs Registration and 1l

Regulation. And I continually begged.-l continually lIl

begged him to have the Bill heard but he kept puttiag it !loff and...so now he says he's going to discharge the ii1Committee

. So...I don't know, we never heard the Bill. il

,, iAnd I think we ought to send it down the drain. jl

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' , I iSpeaker Redmond: Representative Collins. I

t0 Collins: HWe11, Mr. Speaker, I'm sure that everybody in this !!

' !1 ' 1House will understand the fear that was put into ay l

! llheart by tbe awesome power of the Chairman of this j

1$Committee. And when he told me in his usual dulcet k

, 1tones that we were going to kill that Bill because our (

Ifriends don't like it, I...you know , I didn't want to 1

go in there and put'a motion to pass the Bill so I

thought this was my only opportunfty. And...and by the jlway, the Chairman is a Cosponsor of the Bi11.H

Speaker Redmond: ''Question is on the Gentleman's motion that. . t

the Committee On Vet:rans Affairs Registration and ('Il

Regulation be discbarged With respect to House Bill 1194.1lThose in favor vote laye' opposed vote 'no'. RepresentaA> :

ltive Leinenweber.'l1ILeinenweber: HNow this is Representative Collin's first Bill j!

so let's give him some red.'' !:

Speaker Redmond: MHave all voted who wish? Af1 voted who 'j :

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wi s' h ? Re p r e s en t a t ive Ab rams on . t o .e xp l ain . h is..-vot e .. ;..,..a... az a- ...a.. t J.

Representative' Abramson , do you desire to explain'your

., . vote? Representative Abramson. Representative''Abramson'i':

l you're seeking recognition. Have al1 voted who wish? -u'G.

Representative Reillyj are y8u...do you want to explain

your vote? 'The Clerk will take the record. On this

question there's 56 'ayeê and 33 'no'. The Gentleman's l

11 jI motion failed. 1195. 0ut of the record. 1200.

Representàtive Reilly is aot on the floor. I guess weli did something with that one, didn't we? 1227. Repre- ll I

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sentative Mautino.''

Mautino: ''Thank youy Mr. Speaker. nouse Bill 1227 was a'

jlittle issue that was brouaht before the Rouse a couple li ''''' '' I

lof weeks ago. I'm asking for the discharge of the ItlCommittee to which it was assigned, the Energy: jlEnvironment and Natural Resources, because basically it !l1was put in Subcommittee without my consent. But most 't

(fmportantly, I had the opportunity later to present

lj that legislation before the full Committee because it 1:l !f

was not listed but under the...calendar had the parenthesisi

of a11 Bills listed but not completed the previous day. 1' t

'

l' And I went to that Committee and presented the legisla- 'i

1tion and it received 4 'yes',tl 'nof and 6 fpresent'I

ith as many of those, in fact, a11 of those voting )W'presentê,saying that they would rather have that Bill in

I .a Subcommittee. Now I made a motion at that.v.made a 'l

lcomment at that time that it was my understanding from

talking to Subcommittee Members that no Bills wouldl

come out of that Subcommittee and we would not have the (1

opportunity in the House of Representatives to addresslth

e questioa of auclear waste sites in the State of tii

Illinois. Now the Subcommittee it was sent to was on îii

nuclear safeqy which is not tbe subject of the legisla- !l

tion. But I think that the citizens of the State of i

iIllinois and this House must address the question of 1ow4

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m .......vkuvu. .. .- .x a -. . . - ..': .-lev e l was t e in . t h e S t a t e . o f I llino i s . C u r r r en t ly z t h e r e

. - is only two in operation in the state, one in Wilsonville

.J 1'.' è' '.: $'.' '' tt '' t .. ' an d o n e i n S h e f f i e ld . 't f w e d o n o t a d d r e s s t h e q u e s t i o n!i 1!1 of nuclear waste in Illinois welre allowing thp'federal

government to dictate to us once again in the GeneralIJ Assembly, even tbough we have to come up with the

. 1maintenance, pertpetual care of these facilities, whatI .we vill do and what.twé 4il1 aot do ih 'that field. tt's '

lmost important, I feel, that we have a say on the final

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site selection after a1l the regulatory agencies haveI lIj investigated nuclear waàte. Fo< that reason, I'm asking I

this House to discharge that Committee because I do noti

believe there was a fair héarfng and I do not believe I. I

that there was a fair position when they put this in 1!lSubcommittee when was not in attendance and without1lm consent . ''Y 1I

1 S e ak e r Re dmo n d : '' R e p r e s e n t a t i v e B o r c h e r s . '' 1P

Borcher : ''I am . . . I am a member of the Sub commit tee involved

! in a1l of the nuclear was te Bills . And b0th thelI Democratic and Republican Members of that Committee1 '*

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j j decided that there was so much to be done along theselines that we would meet during the summer and make

some active investigations and learn more about what we

were doing. So we put al1 of the Bills into the nuclear

Subcommittee. I do not know whether any of the other

Members are present or not, but I'm sure if they are

they will back ae up with what say whether they arel Democrat or Republican Members of the Committee. So we

. . .we took what we thought was a.proper action under

the situation and so I suggest that you leave the Sub-

committee...continue to look into this in the Interim'

jStudy Committee to which a11 of those Bills were placed. i

. lAfter all: Wilsonville is there, Sheffield is there, a kI

few more months is not going to make aay bit of difference

?l and then we're going to make our recommendations.'îl

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80.Speaker Redmond: HRepresentative Meyer.''

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Meyçr: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to set 'the. . . . '' . ' ' '

1 , record straight. that Represeatative Mautino, Representa-. z . j . . . y. e . ' '. p . . -! . s'

1 tive Mcclain, Representative christensen and I were, 7 . . I l . .. : . .. . , : .back in Room 1228 in the last row. At that time we

I informed Representative Christensen and Mautino that the j

other Members of the...of the...who had had Bills in 1' there, that we had informed them that we thought that theli

best policy was thac these go to Interim Study Committee.tI

.1 At that time, R'epresentative Chrlstensen begrudgely iI I' acknowledged yes, Representative Mautino did not 1.1

acknowledge anything to the best of my knowledge. I

lput the motion to put these Bills in Interim Study 1j '

Committee. I'cannot for one say whether Representative !llMautino was in the room or not

y but he sure as heck. !iknew what the dispositïon of those Bills were. And if (1

he. .1 would say that by his abàence and by leaving the ti

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lroom. he acquiesced. Additionally, we posted these BillsuI

Mr. Speaker. He was afforded a full and complete 1!1 5!

1hearing. And at the end of the hearing, because Repre- jI !sentative Mautino seemed to have a great deal of I

. Iinformation that the Committee wanted to have, and they j

i

f , sear from 1said, Representative Mautino, we d like to' jiyou in this.. .in tbe Interim Study Commfttee.! And I

he said, 'No, I want a vote up or down' 'and-we said,

'Let us...couldn't we please' and I used'Jthe word>

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' ' ' la es e in In ter im s tudy committee with the other 1p le as e , p u t t 1

t 4 r yhis is a sham and I would 1'Bills? Add he said no . i1hope

you...everybody votes 'Bo' on this motion.'f Jl''Representative Mauttno to close.

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' lMautino: HThank you, Mr. Speaker. In response to the i

lstatements Just made, I believe every Member of that ;1C

ommittee received basically the same information that 1. lI had the day I appeared before their Committee. It l

lWas Submitted t0 Chem by the Legislative Council. There '

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81.was one additional piece of tnformation that 1 didvnot ma e

j - -- . .1public'becauve I'happen to be on Presfdent Carter's

l T#sk Fo<cq fvr Npclqar Energy and Waste Management which

) I jqst. recejvednabovt a week'ago. Now the submission and1

information wfthin that document is the'basis for the

legislation 1227 in its original concept. Now I donft (l.' 1mind someone feeling that it was not proper fot me to 1

I.to present my case and not have it in the Subcommittee

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ecause I didn't think ft was fair when I knew in advance;1'

and I have the tape which I received from the Clerkfs IlI

Office, stating on.this House floor that I was informed 1$

by Members of this Subcommittee tbat there would be no ll

. 1Bills coming out. This is before the Subcommittee met

aad I have the tape and I don't think that's a fair. - 1

$1hearing. I don't want a Bill that I introduce td go I1to a Subcommittee that I know in advance and everybody !Ilknows in advance what the vote is going to be. So :

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)therefore, I don't think it was fair and I ask that this 1

tI! House. . .that this House put this Bill out, listen to the :

j ' IIinformation and then decide for tbemselves. I woutd l

i. ;' like to point out also that that Subcommittee in the 1I1House did not address and did not 1et out any nuclear (:1j energy safety or nuclear waste Bills, neither did the j

1 senate. so for a11 intests and purposes, it's a very jiIimportant question to the people in the State of Illinoist

and we do not have any legislation addressing thel

'd like to point out is Iquestion. The second portion IIlthat Wilsonvtlle is closedv Seatonville is filled...excusqt

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me> Sheffield is filled with nuclear waste and cannot be. l' Idumped there

. 9ow it's going somewhere, I think we Ishould have a voice in where itls going. That's whqt 1I

lthe legislation is about, tbat's what my motion is about.'!

I,, j ISpeaker Redmond: The question ts on the Gentleman s motion

. II

Those in favor indicate by voting 'ayeî opposed by 1 '' > t

voting êno' that the Commïttee be discharged 11th respect !l 11 .'

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82.to 1227. Have a1l voted whp wish? Have al1 voted who

wish? Have al1 voted. whM wish? The Clerk will take

the record. 0p th.i: ques:tsop there'se6,4 îaye', 25 'no',l . - . . . - . -. . . . . k .'i . . . - % ..? ' . ' ' '

1 ! , ,j! motion failedw Representativt Fapahan.)

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I Hanahan: ''Mr. speaker, you. know,.qthere is...a couple of1j Representatives that created a big chaos today and lI1 1I notice they're not here. And I think it would probablyl . ' !1j

be appropriate at this time to move for a quorum call !j

and for you to order out the State Police and catch

i' schneider because I think he's around Bloomington right l) 11' now and have him brought back here because he had us 1

lsitting here six hours longer than we should have. Aadl

# 1 !I think it s ab ou t time tbat these guys , you know , earn. jthat under quorum call you have the power to keep them T

!fhere on the floor of the House instead of letting them 1tgo. And hyre we are suffering at this late hour of ,i

night on Friday evening while the guys that cause the

chaos have gone home already. And I think, Mr. Speaker,

! somebody ought to think about having a quorum callj

tonight.''

Speaker Redmond: Doorkeeper, lock the doors. Representative

' Collins. Lock the doors and don't 1et anybody outp

Doorkeepers. Representative Collins.''I' Collins: HJust to help youlclarffy things, Mr. Speaker. He's

1 got to be in Pontfac by now.''

1Speaker Redmond: 'îRepresentative Matijevicb, for what purpose

do you rise?''

Matijevich: 'îMr. Speaker, was as mad as anybody when Greg

Schneider caused that I think we could have gotten out

of it much earlier. But T'm not going to get mad at

because I wish I were in Bloomington right now and going

through...pontiac or a11 the way to...near Waukegan y

north Chicago, my hometown. Because of a11 the votes

welve had, only two notions carried, one them

vaG fï'e4. wouldnlt have carried. The other one really was

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8 3 .. . . even th ough I didn ' t vo te f or i t > was th e only one

t ha t I t h ink h ad' mer i t s - and.'. th a t . was J a ck . Dàyi s ' an'd i t

d id ca r ry . An d we know tlz a t i f '. we..' s t av'c h e r e anv long e r ,

l n one o f th e . o th e r mo t i ons . no t'a one.; s w..i11f c ar r y J , AndI '' . *

I1 Mr. Speaker, if we stay here until midnigbt, theyrre;lI$1 going to have to carry us out. So,.Mr. Speaker, I now 1'

!renew my motion that we adjourn until 10 A.M. on Tuesday.''

! lSpeaker Redmond: ''The question is on the Gentleman's motion

that we adjourn until 10 on Tuesday. Those in favor'' say 'aye' opposed 'no'. The 'ayes' have it, the motion'

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jcarriedy the House stands ajourned.''I

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