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Discourse on a Continuum

It is quite strange but a reoccurring phenomena that those at the

extreme ends of any continuum have the most absurd views be it

religion, politics, education, or what ever. Take the so called Bible

believing continuum of religion; you have the strange beliefs of the

Trinity and Sabellianism, one being the false belief of :

" They believe that there is one but God made up of three separate and

distinct persons of but one indivisible essence. That these three

persons existed from eternity, and are co-equal in power and substance.

These individuals are known as Father (YHWH), Son, Jesus (Yeshua or

YHWH saves) and the Holy Spirit. The undivided essence of God belongs

equally to each of the three persons. The Church (Catholic, Orthodox,

and most Protestants) confesses the Trinity to be a mystery beyond the

comprehension of man[source - "Discourse on John 1:1," by my husband]"

And the other being:

" God is three only in relation to the world, in so many

"manifestations" or "modes." The unity and identity of God are suchthat the Son of God, Jesus (Yeshua or YHWH saves) did not exist before

the incarnation; because the Father (YHWH) and the Son, Jesus (Yeshua

or YHWH saves) are thus one, the Father (YHWH) suffered with the Son,

Jesus (Yeshua or YHWH saves) in his passion and death[source -

"Discourse on John 1:1," by my husband]."

Which is some religions such as the Catholic seem to blend together,

and at the other end of the continuum you have the Doomsday Prophet

group that rest their case on Deuteronomy and the claim that their

leader, Starjade, is the foretold prophet, and not Jesus (Yeshua).

Proves the point that the extremes of any continuum miss the mark of

truth which lies about the middle point on the continuum.

For example, the Trinitarians maintain that God (YHWH) is of three

parts, persons, and/or manifestations as previously mentioned, i.e.,

God (YHWH), Jesus (Yeshua), and God's (YHWH's) active force, the

Spirit. How absurd for a number of simple reasons:

1 - Jesus (Yeshua) claimed to be the Son of God, but never claimed to

be God (YHWH). This is affirmed in over 40 places in the Bible.

Whereas, for the Trinity to be so he would NOT be the Son of God

(YHWH), but would be called God the Son which he is not called anywhere

in the Bible. Whereas, many Trinitarians contend about trivial such

as whether there should or should not be an article in the last part of

John 1:1, rather than concerning themselves with what makes

translational sense in context which lack of article in English does

not.

2 - A trinity is composed of three like things and not two divine

beings and the power or force of the greater one per John 14:28, "Ye

heard how I said to you, I go away, and I come unto you. If ye loved

me, ye would have rejoiced, because I go unto the Father: for the

Father is greater than I." (American Standard Version; ASV).

Interestingly John 1:1, even if you accepted a biased and out of

context rendering like this:

" In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the

Word was God. (Authorized King James Bible; AV)"


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That of course is out of context rendering instead of the correct

rendering in context such as:

" IN THE beginning the Word existed. The Word was with God, and the

Word was divine.[source - "The Complete Bible: An American

Translation." Contributors: Edgar J. Goodspeed - transltr, J. M. Powis

Smith - transltr. Publisher: University of Chicago Press. Place of

Publication: Chicago. Publication Year: 1939."

Or:

" The Logos existed in the very beginning, the Logos was with God, the

Logos was divine. [source - A New Translation of The Bible by James

Moffatt, D.D., D.Litt.:]"

Or:

" In a beginning was the word, and the word was with the God, and a god

was the Word [source - The Word for Word English Translation from Koine

Greek to English from The Vatican Manuscript #1209 which makes the

Emphatic Diaglott by Dr. J. J. Griesbach, probably the greatest GermanBible scholar and Koine Greek translator]"

Even if you were to accept a biased and out of context rendering only

two and not three divine beings appear; hence maybe a Duality, but

definitely not a trinity. For proof, count your fingers up to two and

hold them up in a "V", no trinity, only two.

3 - The believers in the trinity put if forth as the paramount belief

and the so called World Council of Churches or whatever they now call

themselves these days, makes belief in this myth a prerequisite for

membership, believe it or not. Yet nowhere in the Bible does the word

Trinity ever appear, thus obviously it is a myth.

4 - No equality which would be required by a trinity is shown in the

Bible, but just the opposite is testified to at 1 Corinthians 11:3,

" "But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and

the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God."

(ASV)".

This scripture clearly shows God (YHWH) is clearly "the head of Christ

is God" the head of Christ.

Also Luke 3:21-23,

"During a general baptism of the people, when Jesus too had been

baptized and was praying, heaven opened and the Holy Spirit descended

on him in bodily form like a dove; and there came a voice from heaven,

'Thou art my Son, my Beloved; on thee my favour rest' (the New EnglishBible; NEB)"

Thereby clearly showing God's (YHWH's) active force coming down on

Jesus (Yeshua) and God (YHWH) himself saying, "Thou art my Son, by

Beloved; oon thee my favour rest." Clearly, showing a Father (YHWH)

bestowing favor on a Son, now if Jesus (Yeshua) were COEQUAL OR

COETERNAL with his Father (YHWH) this would of course be impossible.

Now being coequal and coeternal would be required for either a Duality

or, if a third divine individual were involved at John 1:1, a Trinity.


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But, last let's consider just what is the Holy Spirit. Now let's

consider just what this Spirit is. Now what is this Spirit or Holy

Spirit that John the Baptist mentioned at John 1:32, ""And John bare

record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove,

and it abode upon him. 33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to

baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the

Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth

with the holy Ghost." (AV)? The Holy Spirit is only God's (YHWH's)

active force and not even a spirit being or person. This is clearly

shown at Pentecost where the Holy Spirit was poured out onto all there,

Acts 2:1-4, "And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were

all with one accord in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound

from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house

where they were sitting. 3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues

like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all

filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as

the Spirit gave them utterance." (AV). This entire scripture bespeaks

of a force and not a being as you do not get filled with a being! And

this fact is reaffirmed at Acts 4:31, ""And when they had prayed, the

place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all

filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spoke the word of God withboldness." (AV); And 2 Corinthians 1:21-22, "Now he which established

us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God; 22 Who hath also

sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts." (AV),

surely a being would not be in our hearts as that is ludicrous, thus

this scripture talks of God's (YHWH's) active force; This is clearly

shown at Luke 11:13, "If ye then, being evil, know how to give good

gifts unto your children: how much more give the Holy Spirit to them

that ask him?" (AV). Once more, why? Why? Do many say they are coequal

and coeternal when clearly they are not and the Holy Ghost is just

God's (YHWH's) active force? Only to try to give some resemblance of

reality to a myth as we shall later see. An interesting note on the

Spirit is that the neuter Greek word for spirit (pneu'ma) is used, the

neuter pronoun "it" is properly employed. This fact is conveniently

over looked or hidden by most Trinitarian translators as admitted in

the "New American Bible Catholic Bible," regarding John 14:17: "The

Greek word for 'Spirit' is neuter, and while we use personal pronouns

in English ('he,' 'his,' 'him'), most Greek MSS [manuscripts] employ

'it.'" So when the Bible uses masculine personal pronouns in

connection with para'kletos at John 16:7, 8, it is conforming to

rules of grammar, not expressing a doctrine. And in Ancient Hebrew

the word here rendered Holy Ghost, Holy Spirit, or Spirit which is

translated from 'ru'ach' meaning "breath; wind; spirit." In Latin, it

is spiritus, and in Sanskrit, 'prana' which means both "breath" and

"spirit"

So it is clear that the Spirit is not a being but is God's (YHWH's)

active force which he gives to both his Son, Jesus (Yeshua) and to hisfollowers that he gave to him. This is made even clearer at 1

Corinthians 12:13, "For in one Spirit were we all baptized into one

body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether bond or free; and were all made

to drink of one Spirit. And Hebrews 2:4 clearly reveals it as from

him, "God also bearing witness with them, both by signs and wonders,

and by manifold powers, and by gifts of the Holy Spirit, according to

his own will." (ASV); And affirmed at 2 Peter 1:21, "For no prophecy

ever came by the will of man: but men spake from God, being moved by

the Holy Spirit." (ASV). Interestingly many ancient manuscripts with


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respect part of 1 Corinthians 12:4-11, in part read as follows,

"Vulgate, Syriac, and Coptic [all important ancient manuscripts] read,

"(the Lord God of the) spirits (of the prophets)." The Lord God who

with His Spirit inspired their spirits so as to be able to prophesy.

There is but one Spirit, but individual prophets, according to the

measure given them " Thus it is obvious that the Spirit or Holy

Spirit is God's (YHWH's) active force or power which he 'pours' out to

his Son, Jesus (Yeshua) and to the faithful followers as necessary to

get his will accomplished.

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