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Ch.18: Ethers and Epoxides; Thiols and Sulfides
Dr. Sivappa RasapalliChemistry and BiochemistryUniversity of Massachusetts
Dartmouth
Coverage and ObjectivesCoverage:• The nomenclature of alcohols• Synthesis and Nucleophilic substitution reactions of ethers• Nucleophilic Opening reactions of epoxides• Chemistry of sulfur compoundsLearning objectives:• Provide both IUPAC and common names for ethers, sulfides.• Recognize the physical properties of ethers, epoxides and sulfides• Know the synthesis and chemistry of the functional groups• Write the reaction and electron-pushing (arrow-pushing) mechanism
for the synthesis and reactions of the functional groups• Write the acid-catalyzed ring-opening of epoxides, and explain the
observed stereochemistry of the products.
Nomenclature of Ethers, Epoxides, and Sulfides
18.1 Names and Properties of Ethers 18.1 Names and Properties of Ethers
Ethers, Epoxides, Thiols and sulfides
SS
S
OO
O
SH
OH
Ethers R-O-R or R-O-R´
O
Epoxide
••Ethers (ROR) can be regarded as derivatives ofEthers (ROR) can be regarded as derivatives ofalcohols (ROH).alcohols (ROH).
••Sulfides (RSR) can be regarded as derivatives ofSulfides (RSR) can be regarded as derivatives ofThols (RSH).Thols (RSH).
Nomenclature: Functional Class• simple ethers are named: “alkyl alkyl ether”• name the groups attached to oxygen in alphabetical
order as separate words; "ether" is last word;
• “dialkyl ether” if symmetric
OO
Diethyl Ether
O
diisopropyl etherDiphenyl ether
O
ethyl methyl ether
O Cl
3-chloropropyl ethyl ether
Nomenclature: Substituent• name as alkoxy derivatives of alkanes
CHCH33OOCHCH2 2 CHCH33
methoxymethoxyethaneethane
CHCH33CHCH22OOCHCH2 2 CHCH33
ethoxyethoxyethaneethane
CHCH33CHCH22OOCHCH22CHCH22CHCH22ClCl
1-chloro-3-1-chloro-3-ethoxyethoxypropanepropane
cyclopentyl cyclopentyl methylmethyl sulfide sulfide
Nomenclature: Functional Class• analogous to ethers, but replace “ether” as last
word in the name by “sulfide.”
CHCH33SSCHCH2 2 CHCH33
ethylethyl methyl sulfide methyl sulfide
CHCH33CHCH22SSCHCH2 2 CHCH33
didiethylethyl sulfide sulfide
SSCHCH33
Nomenclature: Substituent• name as alkylthio derivatives of alkanes
CHCH33SSCHCH2 2 CHCH33
methylthiomethylthioethaneethane
CHCH33CHCH22SSCHCH2 2 CHCH33
ethylthioethylthioethaneethane
(methylthio)cyclopentane(methylthio)cyclopentane
SCHSCH33
OxiraneOxirane(Ethylene oxide)(Ethylene oxide)
OxetaneOxetane OxolaneOxolane(tetrahydrofuran)(tetrahydrofuran)
OxaneOxane(tetrahydropyran)(tetrahydropyran)
1,4-Dioxane1,4-Dioxane
Names of Cyclic Ethers OO OO OO
OO
OO
OO
ThiiraneThiirane ThietaneThietane ThiolaneThiolane
ThianeThiane
Names of Cyclic Sulfides SS SS SS
SS
Examples of Nomenclature
O
butyl ethyl ether (common)
1-ethoxybutane (IUPAC)or
OCH3
Br
trans 1-bromo-2-methoxycyclopentane
ethyl (Z) 1-propenyl ether (common)
(Z) 1-ethoxy-1-propene (IUPAC)or
OHCH3CH2O
CH3CH2O
4,4-diethoxy-2-cyclohexenol
O
O
(E) 2-methyl-3,4-epoxyhexane
(E) 2-methyl-3-hexene oxidetrans 2-ethyl-3-isopropyloxirane
O
OCH3
cis 3-methoxycyclopentene oxide
cis 3-methoxy-1,2-epoxycyclopentane
Periplenone B
OO
O
female cockroach sex pheromone
O
OH
OOHO
OS
NH
Epothilone Banticancer drug from soil bacteria
Structure and Bondingin
Ethers and Epoxides
Bond angles at oxygen are sensitiveto steric effects
HHOO
HH
(CH(CH33))33CCOO
C(CHC(CH33))33
112°112°
105°105° 108.5°108.5°
132°132°
HHOO
CHCH33
CHCH33
OOCHCH33
most stable conformation of diethyl ethermost stable conformation of diethyl ether
resembles pentaneresembles pentane
An oxygen atom affects geometry in much the
same way as a CH2 group
most stable conformation of tetrahydropyranmost stable conformation of tetrahydropyran
resembles cyclohexaneresembles cyclohexane
An oxygen atom affects geometry in much the
same way as a CH2 group
Physical Properties of Ethers
• Boiling points (and melting points) of ethers are lower than corresponding alcohol
– E.g. CH3CH2OH (bp 78°C) vs. CH3-O-CH3 (bp -25°C)• Why? No Hydrogen-bonding for ethers
boiling pointboiling point
36°C36°C
35°C35°C
117°C117°C
Ethers resemble alkanes more than alcohols
with respect to boiling point
Intermolecular hydrogenIntermolecular hydrogenbonding possible in bonding possible in alcohols; not possible alcohols; not possible in alkanes or ethers.in alkanes or ethers.
OO
OHOH
solubility in water (g/100 mL)solubility in water (g/100 mL)
very smallvery small
99
7.57.5
Ethers resemble alcohols more than alkanes
with respect to solubility in water
Hydrogen bonding toHydrogen bonding towater possible for etherswater possible for ethersand alcohols; not and alcohols; not possible for alkanes.possible for alkanes.
OO
OHOH
• • Solubility of acyclic ethers in water is less Solubility of acyclic ethers in water is less than that of than that of corresponding alcohols of equal MW.corresponding alcohols of equal MW.– – Ethers can accept H-bonds, but not donate themEthers can accept H-bonds, but not donate them
Physical Properties-UsesEthers are less dense than water and form the top layer Ethers are less dense than water and form the top layer
when mixed with water.when mixed with water.
• • Note: Note: Diethyl ether (“ether”) is a good general purpose Diethyl ether (“ether”) is a good general purpose
solvent for extracting non-polar and polar organic solvent for extracting non-polar and polar organic compounds from Hcompounds from H22O.O.
• • Its low boiling pt (35 Its low boiling pt (35 ooC) is ideal for recovering organic C) is ideal for recovering organic
solute by evaporation of ether. solute by evaporation of ether.
Solubility of cyclic ethers in water is greater than that of Solubility of cyclic ethers in water is greater than that of
acyclic ethers of equal MW. acyclic ethers of equal MW.
• • Compact shape more easily accommodated by H-Compact shape more easily accommodated by H-
bonding network of water ; Ex: Tetrahydrofuran 1,4-bonding network of water ; Ex: Tetrahydrofuran 1,4-
Dioxane completely miscible with water; important Dioxane completely miscible with water; important
cosolventscosolvents
Solvation
O
OO
O
12-crown-4
OO
O
O
O
15-crown-5
O
O
O
O
O
O
18-crown-6
Crown Ethers• structure
cyclic polyethers derived from repeating —OCH2CH2— units
• propertiesform stable complexes with metal ions
• applicationssynthetic reactions involving anions
OO
OO OO
OO
OO
OO18-Crown-618-Crown-6
OO
OO OO
OO
OO
OO
18-Crown-6
forms stable Lewis acid/Lewis base complex forms stable Lewis acid/Lewis base complex with Kwith K++
K+
Ion-Complexing and Solubility OO
OO OO
OO
OO
OO
++ FF–– OO
OO OO
OO
OO
OO
K+
FF– – carried into benzene to preserve electroneutralitycarried into benzene to preserve electroneutrality
benzenebenzene
18-crown-6 complex of K18-crown-6 complex of K+ + dissolves in benzenedissolves in benzene
Application to organic synthesis
Complexation of KComplexation of K++ by 18-crown-6 by 18-crown-6 "solubilizes" potassium salts in benzene"solubilizes" potassium salts in benzene
Anion of salt is in a relatively unsolvated Anion of salt is in a relatively unsolvated state in benzene (sometimes referred to as a state in benzene (sometimes referred to as a "naked anion")"naked anion")
Unsolvated anion is very reactiveUnsolvated anion is very reactive
Only catalytic quantities of 18-crown-6 are Only catalytic quantities of 18-crown-6 are neededneededCHCH33(CH(CH22))66CHCH22BrBr
KKFF
18-crown-618-crown-6benzenebenzene
CHCH33(CH(CH22))66CHCH22FF
(92%)(92%)
18. 2 Synthesis of Ethers
Acid–catalyzed dehydration of Alcohols
Diethyl ether prepared industrially by sulfuric acid–Diethyl ether prepared industrially by sulfuric acid–catalyzed dehydration of ethanol – also with other catalyzed dehydration of ethanol – also with other primary alcohols primary alcohols
The Williamson Ether Synthesis
Reaction of metal alkoxides and primary alkyl halides Reaction of metal alkoxides and primary alkyl halides and tosylatesand tosylates
Best method for the preparation of ethersBest method for the preparation of ethers
Alkoxides prepared by reaction of an alcohol with a Alkoxides prepared by reaction of an alcohol with a strong base such as sodium hydride, NaHstrong base such as sodium hydride, NaH
ExampleONa I
O NaI
RORO--, an alkoxide ion, is both a strong nucleophile (unless bulky and hindered) , an alkoxide ion, is both a strong nucleophile (unless bulky and hindered) and a strong base. and a strong base. BothBoth S SNN2 (desired) and E2 (undesired side product) can 2 (desired) and E2 (undesired side product) can
occur.occur.
• Choose nucleophile and electrophile carefully. Choose nucleophile and electrophile carefully. Maximize SMaximize SNN2 and 2 and
minimize E2 reactionminimize E2 reaction by choosing the R’X to have least substituted carbon by choosing the R’X to have least substituted carbon undergoing substitution (electrophile). Methyl best, then primary, secondary undergoing substitution (electrophile). Methyl best, then primary, secondary marginal, tertiary never (get E2 instead).marginal, tertiary never (get E2 instead).
• StereochemistryStereochemistry: the reacting carbon in R’, the electrophile which : the reacting carbon in R’, the electrophile which undergoes substitution, experiences inversion. The alkoxide undergoes no undergoes substitution, experiences inversion. The alkoxide undergoes no change of configuration.change of configuration.
Williamson’s Ether Synthesis has Limitations
1. Alkyl halide must be primary (RCH2X)
2. Alkoxides need be derived from primary, secondary or tertiary alcohols
OH
O
O Na
BrSN2
SecondaryAlkoxide
PrimaryAlkyl halide
This reaction worlks particularly well with benzyl and allylhalides, which are excellentalkylating agents
Origin of Reactants
OH Cl
OH O Na
HCl
Na
O
What happens if the alkyl halide is not primary?
O Na
H3C CH3
Br
O OHH3C
H
H
SN2 is sterically disfavored and E2 predominates
Silver Oxide-Catalyzed Ether Formation
Reaction of alcohols with AgReaction of alcohols with Ag22O directly with alkyl halide O directly with alkyl halide
forms ether in one stepforms ether in one stepGlucose reacts with excess iodomethane in the Glucose reacts with excess iodomethane in the presence of Agpresence of Ag22O to generate a O to generate a pentaetherpentaether in 85% yield in 85% yield
HH++
(CH(CH33))22C=CHC=CH22 + CH + CH33OHOH (CH(CH33))33COCHCOCH33
terttert-Butyl methyl ether-Butyl methyl ethertert-Butyl methyl ether (MTBE) was produced on a scale exceeding 15 billion pounds per year in the U.S. during the 1990s. It is an effective octane booster in gasoline, but contaminates ground water if allowed to leak from storage tanks. Further use of MTBE is unlikely.
Addition of Alcohols to Alkenes
Alkoxymercuration
OCH2CH3
H
1. Hg(OAc)2, CH3CH2OH
2. NaBH4
Mechanism of Oxymercuration Hg(OAc)2,
2. NaBH4
OH
Reactions of Ethers:Reactions of Ethers:
Summary of reactions of ethersNo reactions of ethers encountered to this No reactions of ethers encountered to this point.point.
Ethers are relatively unreactive.Ethers are relatively unreactive.
Their low level of reactivity is one reason why Their low level of reactivity is one reason why ethers are often used as solvents in chemical ethers are often used as solvents in chemical reactions, and as protecting groups for reactive reactions, and as protecting groups for reactive –OH group.–OH group.
Ethers oxidize in air to form explosive Ethers oxidize in air to form explosive hydroperoxides and peroxides.hydroperoxides and peroxides.
Acid-Catalyzed Cleavage of Ethers
Ethers are generally unreactiveEthers are generally unreactive
Strong acid will cleave an ether at elevated temperatureStrong acid will cleave an ether at elevated temperatureHI, HBr produce an alkyl halide from less hindered HI, HBr produce an alkyl halide from less hindered component by Scomponent by SNN2 (tertiary ethers undergo S2 (tertiary ethers undergo SNN1)1)
CHCH33CHCHCHCH22CHCH33
OOCHCH33
CHCH33BrBrHHBrBr
++
(81%)(81%)
CHCH33CHCHCHCH22CHCH33
BrBrheatheat
ExampleExample
CHCH33
CHCH33CHCHCHCH22CHCH33
OO ••••••••
HH BrBr ••••••••
••••
CHCH33CHCHCHCH22CHCH33
OOCHCH33 HH++
••••
BrBr
––
•••••••• ••••
••••
MechanismMechanism
CHCH33CHCHCHCH22CHCH33
BrBr
HHBrBr
••••
••••••••
CHCH33BrBr
CHCH33CHCHCHCH22CHCH33
OOHH
••••••••
HHII
150°C150°CIICHCH22CHCH22CHCH22CHCH22II
(65%)(65%)
OO
Cleavage of Cyclic EthersCleavage of Cyclic Ethers
OO••••
••••
HHII
HH
OO••••
++
•••• II ••••••••
••••
––
IICHCH22CHCH22CHCH22CHCH22II
HHII HH
OO
•••• II••••
••••••••
••••
MechanismMechanism
Claisen Rearrangement • Specific to allyl aryl ethers, ArOCH2CH=CH2
• Heating to 200–250°C leads to an o-allylphenol• Result is alkylation of the phenol in an ortho
position
Epoxides (Oxiranes)• Three membered ring ether is called an oxirane (root
“ir” from “tri” for 3-membered; prefix “ox” for oxygen; “ane” for saturated)
• Also called epoxides• Ethylene oxide (oxirane; 1,2-epoxyethane) is
industrially important as an intermediate• Prepared by reaction of ethylene with oxygen at 300 °C
and silver oxide catalyst
Epoxides are Extremely Reactive
Preparation of Epoxides Using a Peroxyacid
• Treat an alkene with a peroxyacid
meta chloroperoxybenzoic acid
MCPBA
CO3HCl
O
COR
HO
O
+ RCOHin CH2Cl2
O
H H
O
RCOOH
Epoxide Ring Opening reactions:
1. Epoxide Ring Opening in Acid
O
CH3
H
HH
H
CH3OH
CH3H
OCH3
HO
HH
H2SO4
In In acid:acid: protonate the oxygen, establishing the protonate the oxygen, establishing the very good leaving very good leaving groupgroup. More substituted carbon (more positive charge although more . More substituted carbon (more positive charge although more sterically hindered) is attacked by a sterically hindered) is attacked by a weak nucleophileweak nucleophile..
Due to Due to resonance, resonance,
some positive some positive charge is charge is
located on located on this carbonthis carbon..
Inversion Inversion occurs at this occurs at this
carbon. Do you carbon. Do you see it? see it?
Classify the Classify the carbons. carbons. SS becomes becomes RR..
Very similar to opening Very similar to opening of cyclic bromonium ion. of cyclic bromonium ion. Review that subject.Review that subject.
2. Epoxide Ring Opening in BaseIn In base:base: no protonation to produce good leaving group, no resonance but no protonation to produce good leaving group, no resonance but the ring can open due to the strain if attacked by the ring can open due to the strain if attacked by goodgood nucleophile. Now nucleophile. Now lless sterically hindered carbon is attackedess sterically hindered carbon is attacked..
O
CH3
HH
H
CH3O-
CH3
H
OH
H3CO
HH
A wide variety of synthetic uses can be A wide variety of synthetic uses can be made of these reactions as shown in the made of these reactions as shown in the following slidesfollowing slides
Base-Catalyzed Epoxide Opening • Strain of the three-membered ring is relieved on
ring-opening• Hydroxide cleaves epoxides at elevated temperatures
to give trans 1,2-diols
O
NaOCH3 in CH3OH
OH
OCH3
OCH3
O Na
OCH3H
regenerates base catalyst
In In base:base: no protonation to no protonation to
produce good leaving group, no produce good leaving group, no
resonance but the ring can open resonance but the ring can open
due to the strain if attacked by due to the strain if attacked by
goodgood nucleophile. Now l nucleophile. Now less ess
sterically hindered carbon is sterically hindered carbon is
attackedattacked..
18.6 Reactions of Epoxides: Ring-Opening
• Water adds to epoxides with dilute acid at room temperature
• Product is a 1,2-diol (on adjacent C’s: vicinal)• Mechanism: acid protonates oxygen and water adds
to opposite side (trans addition)
Halohydrins from Epoxides• Anhydrous HF, HBr, HCl, or HI combines with an
epoxide• Gives trans product
Epoxides from Halohydrins• Addition of HO-X to an alkene gives a halohydrin• Treatment of a halohydrin with base gives an epoxide• Intramolecular Williamson ether synthesis
OHO
Br
Br2+ HBr
Addition of Grignards to Ethylene Oxide
• Adds –CH2CH2OH to the Grignard reagent’s hydrocarbon chain
• Acyclic and other larger ring ethers do not react
+ enant.
RCO3HO
CH3MgBr
MgBrO
CH3H3O+
OH
CH3
Different isomers
Variety of products can be obtained by varying the
nucleophiles
HH22O/ NaOHO/ NaOH
1.1. LiAlHLiAlH44
2.2. HH22OO
OH
Do not memorize Do not memorize this chart. But be this chart. But be sure you can figure sure you can figure it out from the it out from the general reaction: general reaction: attack of attack of nucleophile nucleophile in in basic mediabasic media on on less hindered less hindered carboncarbon
An Example of Synthetic Planning
Reactions of a nucleophile (basic) with an epoxide/oxirane ring Reactions of a nucleophile (basic) with an epoxide/oxirane ring reliably follow a reliably follow a useful pattern.useful pattern.
O:Nu OH
Nu
The The patternpattern to to be recognized in be recognized in the product is the product is ––C(-OH) – C-NuC(-OH) – C-Nu
The epoxide The epoxide ring has to ring has to have been have been located herelocated here
This bond This bond was created was created by the by the nucleophilenucleophile
Synthetic Applications
nucleophilenucleophile
Realize that the HRealize that the H22NCHNCH22- -
was derived from was derived from nucleophile: CNnucleophile: CN
Formation of ether from Formation of ether from alcohols.alcohols.
N used as N used as nucleophile nucleophile twice.twice.
Epichlorohyrin and Synthetic Planning, same as before but now use two
nucleophiles
Observe the Observe the pattern in the productpattern in the productNu - C – C(OH) – C - Nu. When you observeNu - C – C(OH) – C - Nu. When you observethis pattern it suggests the use of epichlorohydrin.this pattern it suggests the use of epichlorohydrin.
Both of these bonds will Both of these bonds will be formed by the be formed by the incoming nucleophiles.incoming nucleophiles.
Why does Acid Catalyzed Opening Give Inversion?
CH2OH
HO
CH3CH2
CH3
O
CH3
CH3CH2
NaOH, H2OCH2OH
HO
CH3
CH3CH2
H3O+
(S) (S)
(R)
Propose a Mechanism
Br
O
1) NaOCH3
2) heat OCH3OCH2+ NaBr
2 Successive SN2 Reactions
Br
O
1) NaOCH3
2) heat OCH3OCH2+ NaBr
OCH3
Br
O
CH3O
Provide a Mechanism
O
H+, H2O
OH
OH
• Sulfur-containing amino acids• • Methionine and Cysteine
• Important in protein secondary and tertiary structure
NH2
S
O
OH
Methionine
NH2
HS
O
OH
Cysteine
HN
O N
S
OCO2H
H
penicillin
MeO N
HN
S
O
N
OMe
omeprazole
S
H2N NH
SO3
O O
Na
dapsone
Physical Properties• Thiols and sulfides are more volatile (lower bp) than
corresponding alcohols or ethers. Stench! Skunky!
• Hydrogen bonding less important for thiols compared to alcohols
• Dipoles are less pronounced
Thiols are more acidic than alcohols (pKa)– Size mismatch between small hard proton and large,
polarizable sulfur atom favours formation of thiolate anion.
Thiols: Formation and Reaction• From alkyl halides by displacement with a sulfur
nucleophile such as –SH – The alkylthiol product can undergo further
reaction with the alkyl halide to give a symmetrical sulfide, giving a poorer yield of the thiol
Using Thiourea to Form Alkylthiols• Thiols can undergo further reaction with the alkyl
halide to give dialkyl sulfides• For a pure alkylthiol use thiourea (NH2(C=S)NH2) as
the nucleophile• This gives an intermediate alkylisothiourea salt,
which is hydrolyzed cleanly to the alkyl thiourea
Use an alkyl halide and HUse an alkyl halide and H22S or AcSHS or AcSH
BrH2S, KOH, EtOH
SH
i, (COCl)2, DMF, CH2Cl2, r.t.N Ph
OH
N Ph
SHii, KSAc, DMF, r.t.iii, KOH, EtOH, r.t. then HCl pH 5
J. Am. Chem. Soc.J. Am. Chem. Soc., , 20052005, , 127127, 15668, 15668
NH2
OH
Br
i, NaNO2, HCl
ii, KS OEt
S
, H2O
SH
OH
Br
iii, LiAlH4
J. Org. Chem.J. Org. Chem., , 19901990, , 5555, 2736, 2736
For palladium coupling of AcSFor palladium coupling of AcS–– and ArX, see and ArX, see Tetrahedron Lett.Tetrahedron Lett., , 20072007, , 4848, 3033, 3033
Preparation of Thiols
Oxidation of Thiols to Disulfides• Reaction of an alkyl thiol (RSH) with bromine or
iodine gives a disulfide (RSSR)• The thiol is oxidized in the process and the halogen is
reduced
Sulfides• Thiolates (RS) are formed by the reaction of a thiol
with a base• Thiolates react with primary or secondary alkyl
halide to give sulfides (RSR’)• Thiolates are excellent nucleophiles and react with
many electrophiles
Sulfides as Nucleophiles• Sulfur compounds are more nucleophilic than their
oxygen-compound analogs– 3p electrons valence electrons (on S) are less
tightly held than 2p electrons (on O)• Sulfides react with primary alkyl halides (SN2) to
give trialkylsulfonium salts (R3S+)
Sulfides as Nucleophiles
Oxidation of Sulfides• Sulfides are easily oxidized with H2O2 to the
sulfoxide (R2SO)• Oxidation of a sulfoxide with a peroxyacid yields a
sulfone (R2SO2)• Dimethyl sulfoxide (DMSO) is often used as a polar
aprotic solvent
Oxidation of Sulfides
Good nucleophilesGood nucleophiles
Tetrahedron Lett.Tetrahedron Lett., , 20052005, , 4646, 8931, 8931
HOSH
PhCH2Cl, Cs2CO3 HOS Ph
DMF, Bu4NI, r.t.
73%
SH
BrCH2CO2tBu, Cs2CO3
DMF, Bu4NI, r.t.
97%
MeO
S
MeO
CO2tBu
SHBuBr, Cs2CO3
SDMF, Bu4NI, r.t.
93%
Suitable for alkyl-alkyl and aryl-alkyl thioethersSuitable for alkyl-alkyl and aryl-alkyl thioethers
Successful for secondary alkyl iodides (Successful for secondary alkyl iodides ( iiPrI) but not tertiary halidesPrI) but not tertiary halides
No racemization using No racemization using LL-cysteine methyl ester-cysteine methyl ester
Reaction of Thiols
18.9 Spectroscopy of Ethers • Infrared: C–O single-bond stretching 1050 to 1150
cm1 overlaps many other absorptions.• Proton NMR: H on a C next to ether O is shifted
downfield to 3.4 to 4.5– The 1H NMR spectrum of dipropyl ether shows
this signal at 3.4– In epoxides, these H’s absorb at 2.5 to 3.5 d in
their 1H NMR spectra• Carbon NMR: C’s in ethers exhibit a downfield shift
to 50 to 80