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BackgroundBackground
Pension Fund DisputePension Fund Dispute
Employers’ surplus
Employers’ surplus
Members’ reserves
Members’ reserves
The dispute is not about who owns the surplus,
But rather about whether or not it is a surplus
The dispute is not about who owns the surplus,
But rather about whether or not it is a surplus
BackgroundBackground
COSATU’sordinary surplus
versusextraordinary surplus
COSATU’sordinary surplus
versusextraordinary surplus
The dispute is not about who owns the surplus,
But rather about whether or not it is a surplus
The dispute is not about who owns the surplus,
But rather about whether or not it is a surplus
Let bygones ...
... be bygones!
Let bygones ...
... be bygones!
- R80 to R200 billion -- R80 to R200 billion -
Let bygones be bygones!Let bygones be bygones!
- R80 to R200 billion -- R80 to R200 billion -
FSB estimate excludes impact of company contribution
holidays over the past decade.
FSB estimate excludes impact of company contribution
holidays over the past decade.
Let bygones …
… be bygones!
Let bygones …
… be bygones!
- R80 to R200 billion -- R80 to R200 billion -
“Future pensions under-funded”
“Future pensions under-funded”
* Future pensions under-funded* Future pensions under-funded
Like planting crops …. If the seeds go missing, there’ll be no
crop to harvest ….
Current pension contributions will impact on the economy of our country over the next few
decades ……..
Like planting crops …. If the seeds go missing, there’ll be no
crop to harvest ….
Current pension contributions will impact on the economy of our country over the next few
decades ……..
Let bygones …
… be bygones!
Let bygones …
… be bygones!- R80 to R200 billion -- R80 to R200 billion -
Overseas-owned companies are dis-investing us of our
pension investments
Overseas-owned companies are dis-investing us of our
pension investments
Let bygones be bygones!Let bygones be bygones!
- R80 to R200 billion -- R80 to R200 billion -
Converting pension reserves into company profits is stripping our country of its savings
Converting pension reserves into company profits is stripping our country of its savings
Examples of what has happened over the past 20 years
….
Examples of what has happened over the past 20 years
….
Sentrachem Pension FundSentrachem Pension Fund
February 1992
Surplus
R5 million
R650 million
Pension Fund
February 1992
Surplus
R5 million
R650 million
Pension Fund
March 1998
Surplus
R408 million
6 000 Members
transferred
& retrenched
March 1998
Surplus
R408 million
6 000 Members
transferred
& retrenched
Sentrachem Pension FundSentrachem Pension FundFebruary 1995
Shortfall
on budgeted
investment
returns of
R57 million
R650 million Fund
February 1995
Shortfall
on budgeted
investment
returns of
R57 million
R650 million Fund
March 1998
Members
transferred
& retrenched
* Surplus
of
R408 million
March 1998
Members
transferred
& retrenched
* Surplus
of
R408 millionThe Bill will
not fix th
is Fund’s practice
The Bill will
not fix th
is Fund’s practice
Revlon Pension FundRevlon Pension Fund
Negotiated mass-transfer
---
At the time of the transfer
the Pension Fund
was under-funded by
30%
Negotiated mass-transfer
---
At the time of the transfer
the Pension Fund
was under-funded by
30%
Revlon Pension FundRevlon Pension FundAfter the conclusion of the negotiation
but immediately prior to the transfer,
the actuary was instructed to
re-value the Fund using a
9% post-retirement interest rate.
This had the effect of changing
the funding level from being 70%
funded to being 94% funded
Revlon Pension FundRevlon Pension FundAfter the conclusion of the negotiation
but immediately prior to the transfer,
the actuary was instructed to
re-value the Fund using a
9% post-retirement interest rate.
This had the effect of changing
the funding level from being 70%
funded to being 94% funded
The Bill will
not fix th
is Fund’s practice
The Bill will
not fix th
is Fund’s practice
Revlon Pension FundRevlon Pension Fund
“What effectively has been achieved
by amending this basis has been that
every member in the pension fund at
the time of transfer was given a fair
share of the assets which existed at
that time”
Revlon Pension FundRevlon Pension Fund
“What effectively has been achieved
by amending this basis has been that
every member in the pension fund at
the time of transfer was given a fair
share of the assets which existed at
that time”The Bill will
not fix th
is Fund’s practice
The Bill will
not fix th
is Fund’s practice
IBM Pension FundIBM Pension Fund
……………………………….
Unanimous decision
by trustees in favour of
granting an inflation-related
increase to pensioners.
IBM Pension FundIBM Pension Fund
The Fund actuary confirmed
that provision had been made
for an inflation related increase
…………..
Based on investment returns,
sufficient funds were available
IBM Pension FundIBM Pension Fund
“Company overruled
trustees’ decision”
IBM Pension FundIBM Pension Fund
“In truth the employer is seeking to get the best deal for itself in the distribution of surplus and is holding out on
its position by refusing to pay a special increase
beyond the normal practice (Two-thirds of CPI)”
“In truth the employer is seeking to get the best deal for itself in the distribution of surplus and is holding out on
its position by refusing to pay a special increase
beyond the normal practice (Two-thirds of CPI)”
The Adjudicator:
IBM Pension FundIBM Pension Fund
Actuarialsurplus
Investment
Actuarial
Value
of
Assets
Reserve
“In truth the employer is seeking to get the best deal
for itself in the distribution of surplus and is holding out on
its position by refusing to pay a special increase
beyond the normal practice (Two-thirds
of CPI)”
“In truth the employer is seeking to get the best deal
for itself in the distribution of surplus and is holding out on
its position by refusing to pay a special increase
beyond the normal practice (Two-thirds
of CPI)”
Regulation 15
Murphy surplus
Market
Value of
Assets
Murphy’s LawPension Funds Adjudicator,
Professor John Murphy, states:
“Surplus is simply the difference between the assets and the liabilities”
Investment
ActuarialActuarial
ValueValue
of of
AssetsAssets
R100 mR100 m
ActuarialActuarialValueValue
of of AccruedAccruedLiabilityLiabilityR100 mR100 m
Investment Investment reservereserve Market Market
Value of Value of Assets Assets
required required to fund to fund
liabilitiesliabilities
R120 mR120 m
100%100%
fundingfunding
R20 mR20 m
Murphy surplus
Reflects Reflects Common Common
Practice in Practice in SASA
Murphy’s Law
“The attempt to separate out the investment
reserve from the surplus is sophistry”
Murphy’s Law
“The attempt to separate out the investment
reserve from the surplus is sophistry”
ActuarialActuarialsurplussurplus
InvestmentInvestment
Actuarial
Value
of
Assets
Actuarial
Value
of
Assets
ReserveReserve
Regulation 15Regulation 15
Market
Value
of
Assets
Market
Value
of
Assets
Reflects Reflects Common Common
Practice in Practice in SASA
“Market Value Surplus”
“Market Value Surplus”
Surplus according to Regulation 1515 (2) [d] a comparison of the actuarial value of assets with the accrued liabilities, on the bases contemplated in paragraph (b) (iv) and [c] (ii), showing the resultant surplus or deficiency and, in the case of a deficiency, the percentage ratio of assets to liabilities.
Investment
ActuarialActuarial
ValueValue
of of
AssetsAssets
R100 mR100 m
ActuarialActuarialValueValue
of of AccruedAccruedLiabilityLiabilityR100 mR100 m
Investment Investment reservereserve
Market Market Value of Value of Assets Assets
required required to fund to fund
liabilitiesliabilities
R120 mR120 m
100%100%
fundingfunding
R20 mR20 m
Regulation 15
Not … section 15 of the Pension Funds Act …
Regulation 15
Not … section 15 of the Pension Funds Act …
Regulation 15Every Pension Fund must report its statutory valuation in terms of this
Regulation… and make good deficiencies in terms of 15 [2] if
they exist.
Regulation 15Every Pension Fund must report its statutory valuation in terms of this
Regulation… and make good deficiencies in terms of 15 [2] if
they exist.
“There is no legal definition of a surplus either in the statute, the rules, or the common law.
After a textual analysis of the language of the rule (reserve value) I held that actuarial reserve value equates
to the applicants actuarial liability”
Murphy’s Law of Surplus
Investment
ActuarialActuarial
ValueValue
of of
AssetsAssets
R100 mR100 m
ActuarialActuarialValueValue
of of AccruedAccruedLiabilityLiabilityR100 mR100 m
Investment Investment reservereserve
Market Market Value of Value of Assets Assets
required required to fund to fund
liabilitiesliabilities
R120 mR120 m
R20 mR20 m
100%100%fundingfunding
RegulationRegulation1515
120%120%
funding
funding
R100 billion Overseas R100 billion Overseas
Sentrachem
Revlon
IBM
Anglo
Independent
Procter &
Gamble
Britain
USA
France
Germany
Holland
?
R100 billion Overseas R100 billion Overseas
Sentrachem
Revlon
IBM
Anglo
Independent
Procter &
Gamble
Britain
USA
France
Germany
Holland
?
The Bill will
not fix th
is practice
The Bill will
not fix th
is practice
Nedlac Pension DebateNedlac Pension Debate
*Savings better
in hands of business!
Really?
Nedlac Pension DebateNedlac Pension Debate
Savings Members … stays in the Fund
Companies … share dividends
Surplus means:Surplus means:
ActuarialActuarialsurplussurplus
InvestmentInvestment
Actuarial
Value
of
Assets
Actuarial
Value
of
Assets
ReserveReserveMarket
Value
of
Assets
Market
Value
of
Assets
ActuarialActuarialsurplussurplus
InvestmentInvestment
Actuarial
Value
of
Assets
Actuarial
Value
of
Assets
ReserveReserve
?Market
Value
Surplus
?Market
Value
Surplus
Regulation15
Surplus
Regulation15
Surplus
In the case oftransfer valuesIn the case of
transfer valuesIn the case of
valuation reportsIn the case of
valuation reports
“It is correct that many transfers have taken place with members receiving, as a transfer value, the accrued
liability……..”
Liabilities means Assets!
Investment
Regulation 15 [2] [c] [I] [cc]Regulation 15 [2] [c] [I] [cc]
ActuarialActuarialValueValue
of of AccruedAccruedLiabilityLiabilityR100 mR100 m
Market Market Value of Value of Assets Assets
required to required to fund fund
liabilitiesliabilitiesRegulation 15 [2] Regulation 15 [2]
[b] [ii][b] [ii]
R120 mR120 m
R20 mR20 mInvestment
Regulation 15 [2] [b] [iii]Regulation 15 [2] [b] [iii]
ActuarialActuarial
ValueValue
of of
AssetsAssets
R100 mR100 m
Investment Investment reservereserve
R20 mR20 m
The Debt The money backing the debt
“It is correct that many transfers have taken place with members receiving, as a transfer value, the accrued
liability……..”
Liabilities means Assets!
Regulation 15 [2] [c] [I] [cc]Regulation 15 [2] [c] [I] [cc]
ActuarialActuarialValueValue
of of AccruedAccruedLiabilityLiabilityR100 mR100 m
Market Market Value of Value of Assets Assets
required to required to fund fund
liabilitiesliabilitiesRegulation 15 [2] Regulation 15 [2]
[b] [ii][b] [ii]
R120 mR120 m
Investment
Regulation 15 [2] [b] [iii]Regulation 15 [2] [b] [iii]
ActuarialActuarial
ValueValue
of of
AssetsAssets
R100 mR100 m
Investment Investment reservereserve
R20 mR20 m
The Debt The money backing the debt
“It is correct that many transfers have taken place with members receiving, as a transfer value, the accrued
liability……..”
Liabilities means Assets!
Regulation 15 [2] [c] [I] [cc]Regulation 15 [2] [c] [I] [cc]
ActuarialActuarialValueValue
of of AccruedAccruedLiabilityLiabilityR100 mR100 m
Market Market Value of Value of Assets Assets
required to required to fund fund
liabilitiesliabilitiesRegulation 15 [2] Regulation 15 [2]
[b] [ii][b] [ii]
R120 mR120 m
Investment
Regulation 15 [2] [b] [iii]Regulation 15 [2] [b] [iii]
ActuarialActuarial
ValueValue
of of
AssetsAssets
R100 mR100 m
Investment Investment reservereserve
R20 mR20 m
The Debt The money backing the debt
“It is correct that many transfers have taken place with members receiving, as a transfer value, the accrued
liability……..”
Liabilities means Assets!
Regulation 15 [2] [c] [I] [cc]Regulation 15 [2] [c] [I] [cc]
ActuarialActuarialValueValue
of of AccruedAccruedLiabilityLiabilityR100 mR100 m
Market Market Value of Value of Assets Assets
required to required to fund fund
liabilitiesliabilitiesRegulation 15 [2] Regulation 15 [2]
[b] [ii][b] [ii]
R120 mR120 m
Regulation 15 [2] [b] [iii]Regulation 15 [2] [b] [iii]
ActuarialActuarial
ValueValue
of of
AssetsAssets
R100 mR100 m
The Debt The money backing the debt
“It is correct that many transfers have taken place with members receiving, as a transfer value, the accrued
liability……..”
Liabilities means Assets!
Regulation 15 [2] [c] [I] [cc]Regulation 15 [2] [c] [I] [cc]
ActuarialActuarialValueValue
of of AccruedAccruedLiabilityLiabilityR100 mR100 m
Market Market Value of Value of AssetsAssets
Regulation 15 [2] Regulation 15 [2] [b] [ii][b] [ii]
R120 mR120 m
R100 mR100 m
Regulation 15 [2] [b] [iii]Regulation 15 [2] [b] [iii]
ActuarialActuarial
ValueValue
of of
AssetsAssets
R100 mR100 m
The Debt The money backing the debt
Implicitly revalued the assetsImplicitly revalued the assetsImplicitly revalued the assetsImplicitly revalued the assets
“With the benefit of hindsight it was
not fair to have given transferring
or retrenched members no share of
this provision against a fall in the
stock market. Having decided this,
it is necessary to legislate in order
to give them any share, because
…..
“With the benefit of hindsight it was
not fair to have given transferring
or retrenched members no share of
this provision against a fall in the
stock market. Having decided this,
it is necessary to legislate in order
to give them any share, because
…..
Memorandum versus The Bill
30%Investment
Reserve
30%Investment
Reserve
Actuarial
Value
of
Assets
R100 million
Actuarial
Value
of
Assets
R100 million
Portionleft
behind
Portionleft
behind
But, the proposed legislation does not fix the past, rather it legitimizes the past
But, the proposed legislation does not fix the past, rather it legitimizes the past
“ … secondly, most of the transfers
had occurred more than three years
ago, and, even though members may
now feel that they did not get what
was promised in whatever agreement
was signed between the union and the
employer, they would be unsuccessful
in claiming anything through the
courts because their claim would have
become prescribed….”
“ … secondly, most of the transfers
had occurred more than three years
ago, and, even though members may
now feel that they did not get what
was promised in whatever agreement
was signed between the union and the
employer, they would be unsuccessful
in claiming anything through the
courts because their claim would have
become prescribed….”
Memorandum versus The Bill
30%Investment
Reserve
30%Investment
Reserve
Actuarial
Value
of
Assets
R100 million
Actuarial
Value
of
Assets
R100 million
Portionleft
behind
Portionleft
behind
Draft Draft Minimum Minimum
ValueValue
Market Market Value of Value of Assets Assets
required required to fund to fund
liabilitiesliabilities
100%100%
fundingfunding
R100 mR100 m R130 mR130 m R70 mR70 m
ActuarialActuarialValueValue
of of AccruedAccruedLiabilityLiability
Regulation 15 [2] [a]
15 [2] [c] [I] & [ii]
Regulation 15 [2] [a]
15 [2] [c] [I] & [ii] Regulation 15 [2] [b] [Iii]Regulation 15 [2] [b] [Iii]
DraftRegulation 33
DraftRegulation 33
Draft Bill & Supporting RegulationDraft Bill & Supporting Regulation
ExampleExampleNovemberNovember
20002000
Draft Draft Minimum Minimum
ValueValue
Market Market Value of Value of Assets Assets
required required to fund to fund
liabilitiesliabilities
100%100%
fundingfunding
R100 mR100 m R130 mR130 m R130 mR130 m
ActuarialActuarialValueValue
of of AccruedAccruedLiabilityLiability
Regulation 15 [2] [a]
15 [2] [c] [I] & [ii]
Regulation 15 [2] [a]
15 [2] [c] [I] & [ii] Regulation 15 [2] [b] [Iii]Regulation 15 [2] [b] [Iii]
DraftRegulation 33
DraftRegulation 33
Draft Bill & Supporting RegulationDraft Bill & Supporting Regulation
COSATU’sCOSATU’s
Draft Draft Minimum Minimum
ValueValue
Market Market Value of Value of Assets Assets
required required to fund to fund
liabilitiesliabilities
R100 mR100 m R130 mR130 m R130 mR130 m
ActuarialActuarialValueValue
of of AccruedAccruedLiabilityLiability
Regulation 15 [2] [a]
15 [2] [c] [I] & [ii]
Regulation 15 [2] [a]
15 [2] [c] [I] & [ii] Regulation 15 [2] [b] [Iii]Regulation 15 [2] [b] [Iii]
DraftRegulation 33
DraftRegulation 33
Draft Bill & Supporting RegulationDraft Bill & Supporting Regulation
COSATU’sCOSATU’sThe problem with this proposal
is that if it is considered to be new legislation and isapplied retrospectively, then Business South Africa will
oppose it in court - they have little option but to do so, and the delays will give companies an additional few years to strip out the
so- called surpluses …...
Draft Draft Minimum Minimum
ValueValue
Market Market Value of Value of Assets Assets
required required to fund to fund
liabilitiesliabilities
R100 mR100 m R130 mR130 m R130 mR130 m
ActuarialActuarialValueValue
of of AccruedAccruedLiabilityLiability
Regulation 15 [2] [a]
15 [2] [c] [I] & [ii]
Regulation 15 [2] [a]
15 [2] [c] [I] & [ii] Regulation 15 [2] [b] [Iii]Regulation 15 [2] [b] [Iii]
DraftRegulation 33
DraftRegulation 33
Draft Bill & Supporting RegulationDraft Bill & Supporting Regulation
NACTUNACTU
If the transfer of full value of the assets reservedto fund a benefit was negotiated and agreed, then that is
what must be paid…. if not then, then now …..
If the actuary signed a Section 14 transfer certificate statingthat all the same assumptions were used as were used
in the last statutory valuation, and then changed theassumptions relating to the assets, then it’s time to
put it right ….
Transfer CertificateTransfer Certificate
In reality, the actuary changed the assumptions relating to the valuation of the assets, changing the valuation bases to some 40%less than what it was, and did not report this in his statement to the FSB.
Now the Bill proposes that if this 40% was used for a company contribution holiday, it should not be paid to members ….
In addition, the Bill will now prevent any member from claiming this lost 40% …..
“The transfer amount in respect of each member …..
…. using the same valuation bases as was used for the most recent actuarial valuation ….”
The Bill & Supporting RegulationThe Bill & Supporting Regulation
Bill protects Funds from correcting past inequities …..Bill protects Funds from correcting past inequities …..
“…. If there is not sufficient surplus in the fund to allow the top-up, then the top-up must be proportioned down ……”
“…. If there is not sufficient surplus in the fund to allow the top-up, then the top-up must be proportioned down ……”
British Definition“Cash equivalent”
should be read as reference to “transfer value”.
“It is a fundamental requirement, stemming from the legislation, that a cash equivalent should represent the actuarial value of the benefits which would otherwise have been preserved.
Such actuarial value should represent the expected cost within the scheme of providing such benefits and should be assessed having regard to market rates of return on equities, gilts or other assets as appropriate.”
Market Market Value of Value of Assets Assets
set aside set aside to fund to fund
liabilitiesliabilities
Market Market Value of Value of Assets Assets
set aside set aside to fund to fund
liabilitiesliabilities
100%100%
fundingfunding
100%100%
fundingfunding
R100 mR100 mR100 mR100 m R130 mR130 mR130 mR130 m R130 mR130 mR130 mR130 m
ActuarialActuarialValueValue
of of AccruedAccruedLiabilityLiability
ActuarialActuarialValueValue
of of AccruedAccruedLiabilityLiability
Regulation 15 [2] [a]
15 [2] [c] [I] & [ii]
Regulation 15 [2] [a]
15 [2] [c] [I] & [ii] Regulation 15 [2] [b] [Iii]Regulation 15 [2] [b] [Iii]
BritishBritishTransferTransfer
ValueValue
Cash Cash equivalentequivalent
BritishBritishTransferTransfer
ValueValue
Cash Cash equivalentequivalent
British Transfer Value British Transfer Value
R120 mR120 m
Tra
nsf
er A
sset
sT
ran
sfer
Ass
ets
Tra
nsf
er l
iab
ilit
yT
ran
sfer
lia
bil
ity
R100 mR100 m
Transfer of Defined Benefit to Defined Benefit
Market Market Value of Value of
Assets set Assets set aside to aside to
fund fund liabilitiesliabilities
R100R100R100R100
Investment Investment Reserve Reserve R20 mR20 m
Actuarial Actuarial Value of Value of AssetsAssets
R100 mR100 m
Accrued Accrued Value of Value of Actuarial Actuarial LiabilityLiability
Regulation 15 [2] [b] [Iii]Regulation 15 [2] [b] [Iii]
IgnoreIgnore
100%100%
fundingfunding
Example
Example
100%100%
fundingfunding
R120 mR120 mT
ran
sfer
Ass
ets
Tra
nsf
er A
sset
s
Tra
nsf
er l
iab
ilit
yT
ran
sfer
lia
bil
ity
R100 mR100 m
Transfer of Defined Benefit to Defined Benefit
Market Market Value of Value of
Assets set Assets set aside to aside to
fund fund liabilitiesliabilities
R100R100
R100R100
Investment Investment Reserve Reserve R20 mR20 m
Actuarial Actuarial Value of Value of AssetsAssets
R100 mR100 m
Accrued Accrued Value of Value of Actuarial Actuarial LiabilityLiability
The DebtThe Debt The money funding The money funding the debtthe debt
R120 mR120 mT
ran
sfer
Ass
ets
Tra
nsf
er A
sset
s
Tra
nsf
er l
iab
ilit
yT
ran
sfer
lia
bil
ity
R100 mR100 m
Transfer of Defined Benefit to Defined Benefit
Market Market Value of Value of
Assets set Assets set aside to aside to
fund fund liabilitiesliabilities
R100R100R100R100
Investment Investment Reserve Reserve R20 mR20 m
Actuarial Actuarial Value of Value of AssetsAssets
R100 mR100 m
Accrued Accrued Value of Value of Actuarial Actuarial LiabilityLiability
New SurplusNew Surplus
The DebtThe Debt The money funding The money funding the debtthe debt
R20R20
R120 mR120 m
Tra
nsf
er A
sset
sT
ran
sfer
Ass
ets
Tra
nsf
er l
iab
ilit
yT
ran
sfer
lia
bil
ity
R100 mR100 m
Transfer of Defined Benefit to Defined Benefit
Market Market Value of Value of
Assets set Assets set aside to aside to
fund fund liabilitiesliabilities
R100R100
R100R100
Investment Investment Reserve Reserve R20 mR20 m
Actuarial Actuarial Value of Value of AssetsAssets
R100 mR100 m
Accrued Accrued Value of Value of Actuarial Actuarial LiabilityLiability
Company Company contribution contribution
holidayholiday
Company Company contribution contribution
holidayholidayR20R20
The DebtThe Debt The money funding The money funding the debtthe debt
Tra
nsf
er A
sset
sT
ran
sfer
Ass
ets
Tra
nsf
er l
iab
ilit
yT
ran
sfer
lia
bil
ity
R100 mR100 m
Transfer of Defined Benefit to Defined Benefit
R100R100R100R100
Investment Investment Reserve Reserve R20 mR20 m
Actuarial Actuarial Value of Value of AssetsAssets
R100 mR100 m
Accrued Accrued Value of Value of Actuarial Actuarial LiabilityLiability
R20R20
The DebtThe DebtThe money funding The money funding
the debtthe debt
Company Company contribution holiday contribution holiday = Company profits= Company profits
Company Company contribution holiday contribution holiday = Company profits= Company profits
R120 mR120 m
Ass
ets
Ass
ets
R100 mR100 m
Transfer of Defined Benefit to Defined Benefit
Market Market Value of Value of Assets Assets
set aside set aside to fund to fund
liabilitiesliabilities
R83R83
Investment Investment Reserve Reserve R20 mR20 m
Actuarial Actuarial Value of Value of AssetsAssets
R100 mR100 m
Accrued Accrued Value of Value of Actuarial Actuarial LiabilityLiability
R20R20
The DebtThe Debt
Shareholders Shareholders gaingain
Tra
nsf
erre
d l
iab
ilit
yT
ran
sfer
red
lia
bil
ity
R100R100
R17R17
83%83%
fundingfunding
Ass
ets
Ass
ets
R100 mR100 m
Transfer of Defined Benefit to Defined Benefit
R83R83
Investment Investment Reserve Reserve R20 mR20 m
Actuarial Actuarial Value of Value of AssetsAssets
R100 mR100 m
Accrued Accrued Value of Value of Actuarial Actuarial LiabilityLiability
Tra
nsf
erre
d l
iab
ilit
yT
ran
sfer
red
lia
bil
ity
R100R100
R17R17
83%83%
fundingfunding
levellevel
Using same Using same assumptions assumptions
-under--under-funded funded pensionpension
Regulation 15 requires this under-Regulation 15 requires this under-funding to be correctedfunding to be corrected
Regulation 15 requires this under-Regulation 15 requires this under-funding to be correctedfunding to be corrected
100% 100% funding funding
levellevel
“With the benefit of hindsight it was not fair
to have given transferring or retrenched
members no share of this provision against
a fall in the stock market.
Having decided this, it is necessary to
legislate in order to give them any share,
because …..
The Second Amendments Bill
But, it doesn’t fix it,
Rather, it legalizes it …
Increases to Pensions
The Bill makes provision for actuaries to use The Bill makes provision for actuaries to use inflation as part of the funding mechanisminflation as part of the funding mechanism
This means that companies can save money by This means that companies can save money by under-funding pensions with the full knowledge under-funding pensions with the full knowledge that these pensions will never keep in line with that these pensions will never keep in line with
inflationinflation
What happens if you approve Bill?What happens if you approve Bill?
You legalize the past inequitable actions.You legalize the past inequitable actions.
What happens if you approve Bill?What happens if you approve Bill?
*You make in impossible for unions to apply to the courts to get back their lost fortunes.
*You make in impossible for unions to apply to the courts to get back their lost fortunes.
What happens if you approve Bill?What happens if you approve Bill?
*You ensure that overseas investors remain delighted with their South African investments ……………
*You ensure that overseas investors remain delighted with their South African investments ……………
What happens if you not approve Bill?
What happens if you not approve Bill?
The delays continue until all mass-transfers happened more than seven years ago …….
…… and then all records may be destroyed making it impossible to correct the past inequities ……
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The delays continue until all mass-transfers happened more than seven years ago …….
…… and then all records may be destroyed making it impossible to correct the past inequities ……
…….. !!!
What happens if you not approve Bill?
What happens if you not approve Bill?
In addition, companies continue taking contribution holidays, thus slowly absorbing members’ reserves into company profits ……….
In addition, companies continue taking contribution holidays, thus slowly absorbing members’ reserves into company profits ……….