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Yet Another MailWorking Group

IETF 76November 11, 2009

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Pass the blue sheets around• Need a note taker• Need a jabber-er

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Finding Yammerers

• Mailing List:– yam@ietf.org

• Jabber:– xmpp:yam@jabber.ietf.org

• Audio Stream:– http://videolab.uoregon.edu/events/ietf/ietf765.m3u

• Meeting Materials:– https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/76/materials.html#

wg-yam• WG Wiki

– http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/yam/trac/wiki

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Agenda• 75 minutes – 9:00 – 10:15

• Note well - 1 minute• Agenda bashing - 4 minutes • Discuss how our process is working - 40 minutes– Alexey Melnikov– Dave Crocker• Next steps - 20 minutes– Whither the working group?– Template changes?• Any Other Business - 10 minutes

“Nothing will ever be attempted if all possible objections must first be overcome.” – Samuel Johnson

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How is Our Process Working?

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How is Our Process Working?• Alexey Melnikov

• Dave Crocker

• Reactions?

Next Steps

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Next Steps• Wither the working group?

• Template changes?

• Next documents?

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IESG Template

IESG Template change #1?• Change this text:

– Does the IESG believe any other proposed changes are necessary to satisfy IESG requirements to advance to Full Standard?

– Excluding the previous proposed changes and expected IESG support for technically substantive IETF last call feedback, does the IESG believe any additional changes are critical to advance this document from draft to full standard?  If so, please provide sufficient information so the WG can address these issues prior to IETF last call or determine the document is inappropriate for the YAM WG to process at this time. 12

IESG Template change #2?

• Change this text: – Does the IESG consider the downward

references acceptable for a Full Standard?– Does the IESG consider the downward

references acceptable for a full standard?  If not, please cite which specific downward reference or references are problematic and why so the WG can address these issues prior to IETF last call or determine the document is inappropriate for the YAM WG to process at this time.

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IESG Template change #3?

• (SM) As a meta comment, the WG is asking the IESG for answers but the pre-evaluation I-D does not provide ample information for them to understand the YAM WG's perspective.  The WG could consider whether “Working Group Summary” information similar to what is done for Document Shepherding would be helpful to the IESG.

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Next Documents?

• RFC 5321 – SMTP• RFC 5322 – Mail Format• RFC 4409 – Submit

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Any Other Business?