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PS No: 3265 Name: John Fasson II Other Spellings: Fashion Last updated: 19 Jan 2011

Working DataStatus: Individual Recorded as: Pewterer

Working Years: 1753 - 1796 Made or sold pewter: YES

Data entered: rs Data checked: ph

Notes: His wife was Mary. His name given as "Fashion" in Procs Old Bailey. This may suggest a contemporarypronunciation. [MR]

SourcesSource Name Source Reference Mark Information

Cotterell: Old Pewter: Its Makers and Marks OP1636 YES Date of freedom andlivery wrong - seeJohn Fasson I(PS3264).

Fennimore: Swain (British Pewter) pg 33-34, 37-38 YES Not identified on pp33-4 as John Fasson

Journal of the Pewter Society Aut 2002: pg 44 (J401) YES

Journal of the Pewter Society Aut 2004: pg 26, 29, 33, 34 See nos.52a,61

Journal of the Pewter Society Spr 2003: pg 41 Not identified here asJohn Fasson.

Massé 1977: Chats on Old Pewter pg 187

National Archives online PROB 11/1281 His will. For atranscript, seeDocuments below.

Ricketts: Pewterers of London 1600-1900 pg 93 Date of Livery wrong -see John Fasson I(PS3264). Some ofthe information shownunder John I and JohnIII should be underJohn II.

Davis: Pewter at Colonial Williamsburg pg 238-239, 325 (Item 301) YES Given the laterattribution of this markto John Fasson II, thesuggested dating istoo early.

Journal of the Pewter Society Aut 1997 pg 52 (J280) YES Given the laterattribution of this markto John Fasson II, thesuggested dating istoo early.

Journal of the Pewter Society Spr 2000 pg 15, Footnote (1) Merely compares markM1645 with the touchof Thomas Phillips,PS1343.

Peal: More Pewter Marks (MPM) MPM5595 YES

International Genealogical Index (IGI) For his birth and thebirths of his 8 children.

Webb: Other London Livery companies Volume 22 - Armourers & Brasiers Company 1610-1800

Old Bailey Proceedings Online t17650918-44

Auction: Bonhams Chester 7 May 2008 lot 523

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Sources (continued)Source Name Source Reference Mark Information

Journal of the Pewter Society Aut 2006 pg 11-16 (items 5,16) YES

Cotterell: Old Pewter: Its Makers and Marks OP1637 YES Most of the informationhere relates to thispewterer, not JohnFasson III (PS3266).

Trade Directory The Universal British Directory 1791 p48

LocationsLocations Address From To Notes Activity

London - London Born

Stepney - Middlesex St George in the East 1757 Worked

London - London 48 Bishopsgate Street (1762-96). 1764 1796 Worked

Willingale - Essex Inherited a field here from his father. Other

Totternhoe - Bedfordshire He wrote a codical to his will here in 1791. There were a number of Fassons here andin neighbouring Dunstable in the 18thcentury (source: IGI), and his grandfatherwas from Dunstable. He may therefore havehad property here, although he could justhave been staying with a relative.

Other

EventsEvent Type Date Description

Baptised 18 Aug 1732 Christened at St Sepulchre

Free 25 Oct 1753 Free by patrimony

Livery 25 Oct 1753

Set up Shop 25 Oct 1753

Struck Touch 25 Oct 1753 His mother consented to his using her touch.

Mentioned 3 Oct 1757 His son John III (PS3266) christened at St George in the East, Stepney

Steward 1762

Mentioned 19 Feb 1762 His son Thomas (PS3267) was born. Christened at St Helen Bishopsgate 24 Feb.

Mentioned 9 Dec 1763 A son George was born. Christened at St Helen Bishopsgate 1 Jan 1764.

Mentioned Sep 1765 In the first few days of September, Fasson was involved in apprehending one Joseph Littleton, who stoleunfinished pewter plates from Gibson & Smith (PS3785). One Joshua Sugden, keeper of the King'sArms, Bishopsgate Churchyard, stated in evidence at the trial (18 Sep) that "Mr. Fashion's, inBishopsgate-street [is the shop] I deal with for my pots". [MR]

Mentioned 22 Jul 1767 A daughter Mary was born. Christened at St Helen Bishopsgate 26 Jul.

Mentioned 17 Dec 1769 A daughter Elizabeth was born. Christened at St Helen Bishopsgate 28 Dec.

Mentioned 27 Oct 1771 A son Henry was born. Christened at St Helen Bishopsgate 3 Nov.

Mentioned 8 May 1774 A daughter Sarah was born. Christened at St Helen Bishopsgate 15 May.

Mentioned Jul 1776 His son Thomas was apprenticed to a master in the Armourers & Brasiers Company in London

Mentioned 8 Jul 1776 His son Benjamin (PS3263) was born. Christened at St Helen Bishopsgate 21 Jul.

Mentioned 1778 Mentioned by a Committee of the Worshipful Company.

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Events (continued)Event Type Date Description

Mentioned 1791 Listed in trade directory at 48 Bishopsgate Within as a freeman of the Pewterer's Company and apewterer by profession. His son Thomas I (PS3267) was at the same address.

Will Proved 16 Nov 1796 Described as a pewterer. Left his business to be shared equally between his sons Thomas (PS3267)and Benjamin (PS3263). Also left bequests to his sister-in-law, grandchildren and others.

AssociationsAssoc Type PS No. & Name From To Description

Other business relationship 9732: Walker , William ? 1796 When John Fasson's will was proved on 16Nov 1796, William Walker was called toswear an affidavit in which he was describedas a pewterer of Bishopsgate Street, servant(ie journeyman) to the testator. He was left£15 in the will.

Other business relationship 3882: Godfrey , William ? 1796 When John Fasson's will was proved in1796, William Godfrey was described as apewterer of Bishopsgate Street, servant (iejourneyman) to the testator. This implies hestayed on with John Fasson after getting hisfreedom.

Parent of 3263: Fasson , Benjamin ? ?

Child of 3264: Fasson I, John ? ?

Parent of 3266: Fasson III, John ? ?

Parent of 3267: Fasson I, Thomas ? ?

Sibling of 3268: Fasson , William ? ?

Child of 10934: Fasson , Mary ? ?

Grandparent of 12051: Fasson , Emily ? ?

Succeeded by 3267: Fasson I, Thomas ? ? John Fasson II left his business equally tohis sons Thomas I and Benjamin.

Had as apprentice 4663: Hindes , John 27 Oct 1753 18 Dec 1760

Had as apprentice 1687: Clark , John 16 Mar 1758 20 Jun 1765

Had as apprentice 6812: Norris , William 30 Apr 1764 20 Jun 1771

Had as apprentice 6421: Millin, William 15 Dec 1768 21 Mar 1776

Had as apprentice 5478: Keux, Peter 19 Dec 1771 18 Mar 1779

Had as apprentice 13123: Seawell , William 25 Aug 1777 ? No Freedom Record

Had as apprentice 9732: Walker , William 19 Oct 1780 13 Dec 1787

Had as apprentice 3459: Foster, John 1 Jul 1782 22 Oct 1789

Was proprietor of 11204: John Fasson & Son , 1782 Nov 1796 John Fasson II died 1796 (will proved 16Nov 1796).

Had as apprentice 3882: Godfrey , William 19 Jan 1789 18 Mar 1796

Succeeded by 3263: Fasson , Benjamin 1796 ? John Fasson II left his business equally tohis sons Thomas I and Benjamin.

DocumentsFile name Description

Fasson_of_London.pdf The Fasson Family of London: Family Tree

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Documents (continued)File name Description

John_Fasson_II_(PS3265)_London_1796.pdf Will of John Fasson II, 1796

MarksM No: 1499 TouchPlate:

Type: touch or label Width: 0

Shape: OL3 BD1 BL5 Height: 0

Text: IOHN FASSON Fake known: NO

Keywords: horseshoe sword weapon

Comments:

M No: 1500 TouchPlate:


Shape: OL26 BD1 Height: 0

Text: MADE IN LONDON Fake known: NO

Keywords:

Comments:

M No: 1501 TouchPlate: 0



Text: I F Fake known: NO

Keywords:

Comments: Mark of John Fasson II (PS3265) but also found with marks of JohnTownsend (PS21). This mark was previously also numbered M4939.

Image Notes:

Image: Hannu Vuori

M No: 1502 TouchPlate: LTP964



Text: IOHN FASSON Fake known: NO

Keywords: horseshoe sword weapon

Comments:

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Marks (continued)M No: 1645 TouchPlate: 0



Text: I F Fake known: NO

Keywords: plant leaf

Comments: Recorded with the hallmarks M15605 that have elsewhere been found withthe touch of John & Thomas Fasson (PS11204), so this must be a mark ofJohn Fasson II.

Image Notes:

Image: David Kilroy


Type: crowned or uncrowned X Width: 0

Shape: Height: 0

Text: Fake known: NO

Keywords:

Comments: Found with the touch of John & Thomas Fasson (PS11204) and also with theIF mark M1645 that is now attributed to John Fasson II (PS3265).


Type: verification or capacity Width: 0

Shape: Height: 0

Text: W R Fake known: NO

Keywords: crown weapon sword

Comments: Used by both John Fasson II (PS3265) and John Fasson & Son (PS11204).

Image Notes:

Image: Martin Roberts

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Marks (continued)M No: 5484 TouchPlate: 0

Type: verification or capacity Width: 0


Text: W R Fake known: NO

Keywords: crown

Comments: Found with the touch of John & Thomas Fasson (PS11204) and also with theIF mark M1645 that is now attributed to John Fasson II (PS3265). Image Notes:

Image: David Kilroy

HallmarksM No: 15065

Mark 1: animal lion rampant




Comments: Found with the touch of John & Thomas Fasson(PS11204) and also with the IF mark M1645 that is nowattributed to John Fasson II (PS3265).

Image Notes:

Image: Martin Roberts

M No: 15301

Mark 1: IS TEXT: T T


Mark 3: buckle

Mark 4: animal face lion

Comments: Hallmarks of an unidentified pewterer TT but found withthe touch of John Fasson II.

WaresType: bowl Dimensions Actual Nominal

From: c. ? Width1 149 mm 5.87 in

To: c. ? Width2 0 mm 0.00 in

Capacity Act: 0 cc Height 86 mm 3.37 in

Capacity Nom: Weight 0 gm

Keywords: broth

Notes:

No image available

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Wares (continued)Type: measure-baluster Dimensions Actual Nominal

From: ? Width1 83 mm 0.00 in

To: ? Width2 82 mm 0.00 in


Capacity Nom: pint Weight 0 gm

Keywords: bud

Notes: Has mark M1645 on rim. Dimensions are from the example described inJournal Aut 2006 but the picture is of a different, but similar, example.

Image Notes:

Image: Bonhams

Type: measure-baluster Dimensions Actual Nominal




Capacity Nom: half pint Weight 0 gm

Keywords: bud

Notes: Has mark M1645. See Journal Aut 2006 item 16.

Type: measure-baluster Dimensions Actual Nominal




Capacity Nom: half gallon Weight 0 gm

Keywords: bud

Notes: Overall height 11.12". Has mark M1645 - see Williamsburg item 301.

No image available

Type: mug Dimensions Actual Nominal




Capacity Nom: pint Weight 0 gm

Keywords: tulip-shaped

Notes: Has mark M1645 inside base and marks M5128, M5129 and M15065 onside. Ware details: David Kilroy.

No image available

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Wares (continued)Type: tankard Dimensions Actual Nominal





Keywords: dome-lid straight-sided

Notes: Has mark M1501 in base and marks M5128, M5129 and M15065 on drum. Ware details and image: Hannu Vuori.

Type: funnel Dimensions Actual Nominal





Keywords:

Notes: Has mark M1501

Image Notes:

Image: Member of public

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