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Web-based Imaging

Management System

Working Group

Printer W

orking Group

Face-to-Face Meeting

June 25, 2008

Longmont, CO


WIM

S W

G A

genda

•2:00 –2:10 Agenda, Introductions, etc.

•2:10 –2:40

Update on Current Projects

CIM Counters status (Ira)

CIM Printer Prototyping (Rick)

•2:40 –3:50

Imaging W

S-M

an Facilitator

•3:50 –4:00

Discussion of Next CIM Activities

PW

G P

ate

nt

Sta

tem

ent

•PW

G s

tandard

s m

ay inclu

de t

he k

now

n u

se o

f essential pate

nts

and

pate

nt

applications p

rovid

ed t

he P

WG

Chair r

eceiv

es a

ssura

nce fro

m t

he p

ate

nt

hold

er

or

applicant

with r

espect

to p

ate

nts

whose infr

ingem

ent

is, or

in t

he c

ase o

f pate

nt

applications, pote

ntial fu

ture

infr

ingem

ent

the a

pplicant

assert

s w

ill be,

unavoid

able

in a

com

pliant

imple

menta

tion o

f either

mandato

ry o

roptional

port

ions o

f th

e s

tandard

. This

assura

nce s

hall b

e p

rovid

ed w

ithout

coerc

ion. This

assura

nce s

hall b

e e

ither:

•a)

A g

enera

l dis

cla

imer

to t

he e

ffect

that

the p

ate

nte

e w

ill not

enfo

rce a

ny o

f its p

resent

or

futu

re p

ate

nt(

s)

whose u

se w

ould

be r

equired t

o im

ple

ment

either

mandato

ry o

r optional port

ions o

f th

e p

roposed P

WG

sta

ndard

again

st

any p

ers

on o

r entity

com

ply

ing

with t

he s

tandard

; or

•b)

A s

tate

ment

that

a lic

ense for

such im

ple

menta

tion w

ill be m

ade a

vailable

without

com

pensation o

r under

reasonable

rate

s, w

ith r

easonable

term

s a

nd c

onditio

ns t

hat

are

dem

onstr

ably

fre

e o

f any u

nfa

ir d

iscrim

ination.

•The P

WG

is n

ot

in a

positio

n t

o g

ive a

uth

orita

tive o

r com

pre

hensiv

e info

rmation

about

evid

ence, validity o

r scope o

f pate

nts

or

sim

ilar

rights

, but

it is d

esirable

th

at

any a

vailable

info

rmation s

hould

be d

isclo

sed. There

fore

, all P

WG

mem

bers

shall, fr

om

the o

uts

et,

dra

w P

WG

'satt

ention t

o a

ny r

ele

vant

pate

nts

either

their

ow

n o

r of oth

er

org

aniz

ations inclu

din

g t

heir A

ffilia

tes t

hat

are

know

n t

o t

he P

WG

m

em

bers

or

any o

f th

eir A

ffilia

tes, although P

WG

is u

nable

to v

erify

the v

alidity o

f any s

uch info

rmation.

Inappro

priate

Topic

s for

PW

G W

G M

eetings

•D

on’t d

iscuss t

he v

alidity/e

ssentiality

of

pate

nts

/pate

nt

cla

ims

•D

on’t d

iscuss t

he c

ost

of specific

pate

nt

use

•D

on’t d

iscuss lic

ensin

g t

erm

s o

r conditio

ns

•D

on’t d

iscuss p

roduct

pricin

g, te

rritorial

restr

ictions, or

mark

et

share

•D

on’t d

iscuss o

ngoin

g litig

ation o

r th

reate

ned

litigation

•D

on’t b

e s

ilent

if inappro

priate

topic

s a

re

dis

cussed…

do form

ally o

bje

ct.


WIMS/CIM Project Status & Plans

�Im

ag

ing

Sta

te &

Co

un

ter

MIB

�

Do

cu

men

t P

oste

d�

Mo

re im

ple

men

tati

on

s?

�C

IM S

tatu

s�

Pri

nte

r M

OF

sap

pro

ved

an

d in

CIM

Sch

em

a V

2.1

9�

Co

un

ter

Cla

sses Q

uesti

on

Reso

lved

�C

ou

nte

r M

OF

sd

raft

ed

�P

roto

typ

ing

of

Pri

nte

r M

OF

su

nd

erw

ay a

t D

ell

�N

ext

Pro

jects

?�

CIM

Pri

nte

r P

rofi

le�

Pro

vid

ing

fo

r C

IM e

lem

en

ts c

urr

en

tly s

up

po

rted

in

sta

nd

ard

MIB

s�

Pro

vid

ing

fo

r C

IM e

lem

en

ts f

rom

IP

P�

Oth

er

ele

men

ts

�P

riva

te M

IBs

(e.g

.,P

ow

er

Man

ag

em

en

t)�

Web

pag

es

�N

ot

pre

sen

tly s

up

po

rted

CIM_ImagingStatisticalData

•CIM

vers

ion o

f Counte

r M

IB

•Ir

a H

as p

oste

d:

•CIM

_Im

agin

gM

edia

UsedSta

tisticalD

ata

.mof

•-

concre

te -

media

used d

escription p

ropert

ies a

nd

impre

ssio

ns

•CIM

_Im

agin

gM

onitorS

tatisticalD

ata

.mof

•-

concre

te -

monitoring, availability, and t

raffic

counte

rs

•CIM

_Im

agin

gW

ork

Sta

tisticalD

ata

.mof

•-

concre

te -

images, im

pre

ssio

ns, and s

heets

•CIM

_Im

agin

gSta

tisticalD

ata

.mof

•-

abstr

act

-pare

nt

cla

ss for

all c

ounte

r cla

sses

•ft

p:/

/ftp

.pw

g.o

rg/p

ub/p

wg/w

ims/c

im/m

ofinput/

ira-2

0080615.z

ip

10

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CIM_ImagingStatisticalData

Issues?

•M

appin

g s

trin

g length

(overf

low

?)

•Base c

lass inclu

des c

onfig

changes. D

o w

e s

till

want

to inclu

de t

his

? M

ay b

e d

ifficult t

o

imple

ment.

•Should

there

be a

tim

esta

mp (

TO

D o

r counte

r)

with t

he c

ounte

rs?

11


CIM_PrinterPrototyping

•Pro

gre

ss -

(Ric

k)

12


MIB-CIM Converter for W

S-M

AN

13


•B

ackg

rou

nd

fo

r C

IM a

s p

ath

way t

o W

S-M

AN

•P

rin

ter

MIB

to

CIM

co

nvert

er

uti

lity

fo

r n

ew

an

d

up

date

d P

rin

ter

CIM

Cla

ss

es

•A

rgu

men

ts r

ela

tive t

o P

WG

part

icip

ati

on

•W

hat

ab

ou

t M

IB t

o W

S-M

AN

?

•C

om

pu

ter

Syste

m E

lem

en

ts –

Us

e o

f u

tility

fo

r M

IB-I

I

an

d H

R M

IB e

lem

en

ts

•H

an

dli

ng

of

Ele

men

ts n

ot

in P

ub

lic M

IBs

•IP

P E

lem

en

ts

•P

rivate

MIB

ele

men

ts

•O

ther

(WS

D?

)

14


Backgro

und

1.

SN

MP, although w

idely

im

ple

mente

d for

imagin

g

devic

es, is

consid

ere

d incre

asin

gly

inadequate

to

pro

vid

e d

evic

e/s

erv

ice m

anagem

ent

in t

he inte

rnet-

oriente

d e

nvironm

ent

•security

pro

ble

ms

•in

here

ntly a

“lo

cal”

pro

tocol, n

ot

appro

priate

for

use o

ver

the inte

rnet

and t

here

fore

not

com

patible

with r

em

ote

m

anagem

ent

•not

com

patible

with t

he c

ollection o

f W

eb S

erv

ice p

roto

cols

th

at

are

bein

g g

enera

ted, and w

hic

h a

re incre

asin

g b

ein

g

used for

netw

ork

com

munic

ation.

•ro

w/c

olu

mn s

tructu

re o

f M

IBs

is n

ot

optim

al fo

r quic

k

access t

o d

esired e

lem

ents

15


Backgro

und

2.

With t

he p

opula

rity

of W

eb S

erv

ices, th

ere

is a

m

igra

tion t

o u

sin

g t

he s

ecurity

, com

munic

ation,

dis

covery

and o

ther

capabilitie

s o

ffere

d a

s p

art

of

Web S

erv

ices for

serv

ice a

nd d

evic

e m

anagem

ent.

In

deed, it h

as b

een s

uggeste

d th

at,

if hard

copy

devic

es a

nd s

erv

ices a

re n

ot

manageable

by a

web

serv

ice p

roto

col, a

t som

e p

oin

t in

the futu

re t

hey

sim

ply

won't b

e m

anageable

at

all o

n s

om

e s

et

of

corp

ora

te n

etw

ork

s.

3.

Managem

ent

by W

eb S

erv

ices d

oes n

ot

use a

MIB

m

odel, b

ut

requires t

he m

anagem

ent

ele

ments

to

be in a

XM

L S

chem

a. For

WS-M

an, th

e o

nly

public,

sta

ndard

definitio

ns s

o far

are

CIM

obje

cts

.

16


Backgro

und

4.

The D

MTF h

as d

evelo

ped a

n a

uto

matic m

echanis

m

for

convert

ing C

IM M

OFs

into

W

S-M

an c

om

patible

Schem

a.

5.

The W

IMS W

G h

as c

onvert

ed t

he c

ritical

managem

ent

info

rmation in t

he P

rinte

r M

IB into

CIM

MO

Fs, and is c

ontinuin

g t

o g

enera

te M

OFs

for

imagin

g d

evic

e a

nd s

erv

ice m

anagem

ent

info

rmation.

6.

Dell inte

nds t

o p

roto

type t

he P

rinte

r M

OFs

cre

ate

d

with a

MIB

to C

IM im

ple

menta

tion a

nd v

erify

with

a C

IM B

row

ser

(not

a W

S-M

an A

pplication).

17


Request

It h

as b

een s

uggeste

d t

hat:

1.

a p

roduct

level M

IB t

o C

IM c

onvert

er

would

make t

he

exis

ting b

ase o

f SN

MP s

upport

ing im

agin

g d

evic

es

manageable

by w

ith W

S-M

an.

2.

havin

g a

base o

f m

anageable

devic

es w

ill encoura

ge b

oth

th

e inclu

sio

n o

f im

agin

g d

evic

es in W

S-M

an applications

and t

he u

tilization o

f w

eb s

erv

ice m

anagem

ent

by

ente

rprise insta

llations.

3.

it is in t

he inte

rests

of th

e industr

y (

not

just

som

e

indiv

idual com

panie

s)

to e

ncoura

ge t

he inclu

sio

n o

f im

agin

g d

evic

es in W

S m

anagem

ent

applications a

nd W

S

managed insta

lations.

4.

and t

here

fore

, t

hat

the P

WG

should

take t

he initia

tive t

o

encoura

ge, by s

om

e m

eans, th

e a

vailability o

f such a

MIB

to

CIM

convert

er

pro

duct.

18


Questions:

•W

ill a M

IB-C

IM c

onvert

er

make t

he S

NM

P s

upport

ing

devic

es m

anageable

by w

eb s

erv

ices?

•In

sofa

r as a

CIM

to W

S-M

an S

chem

a c

onvers

ion u

tility

is

available

, it w

ould

cert

ain

ly g

o p

art

of th

e w

ay. A W

S-M

an

application w

ould

als

o n

eed t

o b

e d

evelo

ped.

•W

ould

n’t t

he d

ynam

ic t

ransla

tion b

etw

een M

S-M

an

requests

/responses a

nd S

NM

P G

ETs/r

esponses

thro

ugh a

CIM

MO

F in

term

edia

ry b

e c

om

ple

x a

nd

cum

bers

om

e?

•?

•W

hy n

ot

use t

he D

ell p

roto

type for

the S

NM

P t

o C

IM

transla

tion?

•This

pro

toty

pe is e

nvis

ioned a

s a

lashup

inclu

din

g

pro

prieta

ry c

ode.

19


Questions:

•W

ould

n’t t

he a

bility t

o m

anage S

NM

P s

upport

ing d

evic

es b

y W

eb

Serv

ices t

ake t

he p

ressure

off m

anufa

ctu

rers

to incorp

ora

te M

S-

Man in t

heir im

agin

g p

roducts

and t

here

by a

ctu

ally d

ela

y full

imple

menta

tion o

f M

S-M

an in im

agin

g d

evic

es?

•M

anufa

ctu

rers

im

ple

ment

what

their c

usto

mers

request.

Befo

re

there

is a

sig

nific

ant

dem

and for

WS-M

an c

apability, th

ere

must

be

sites t

hat

inte

nd t

o u

se W

S-M

an. But

to d

o t

his

, th

e s

ites n

eed a

sig

nific

ant

pro

port

ion o

f th

eir n

etw

ork

ed d

evic

es t

o s

upport

it.

So

there

is a

chic

ken a

nd e

gg s

ituation.

•There

is a

sim

ilar

issue w

ith m

anagem

ent

applications. There

will not

be a

sig

nific

ant

dem

and for

applications u

ntil th

ere

is a

sig

nific

ant

base o

f devic

es t

hat

are

WS-M

anageable

.

Makin

g e

xis

ting S

NM

P s

upport

ing d

evic

es W

S-M

anageable

will

facilitate

the t

ransitio

n b

y a

llow

ing s

ites a

nd a

pplications t

o u

se

their e

xis

ting b

ase, m

igra

ting o

ver

to inte

rnal im

ple

menta

tions.

20


Questions?

•W

hat

sort

of PW

G a

ctions a

re e

nvis

ioned t

o p

rom

ote

a

genera

lly a

vailable

M

IB-C

IM c

onvers

ion c

apability?

1.

Pro

ducin

g a

docum

ent

fully s

pecifyin

g s

uch a

capability in t

erm

sof in

terf

aces, opera

tion, etc

?

•O

ne r

eaction is t

hat

this

would

be a

waste

of tim

e. The inte

rfaces

and o

pera

tions a

re a

lready d

efined. W

hat

is n

eeded is a

usable

pro

duct.

2.

A c

oopera

tive v

entu

re s

upport

ed b

y e

ffort

contr

ibute

d b

y P

WG

m

em

ber

org

aniz

ations?

•This

would

be c

um

bers

om

e a

nd d

ifficult t

o m

anage. M

ost

work

w

ould

be d

one b

y a

few

com

panie

s, and c

om

panie

s a

re t

ypic

ally

dis

inclined t

o m

ake t

heir d

evelo

ped s

oft

ware

public.

3.

Contr

acting t

he d

evelo

pm

ent

to a

com

pany, w

ith t

he

develo

pm

ent

expenses t

o b

e p

aid

by P

WG

mem

bers

, m

uch lik

e

the P

2600 P

P a

ctivity.

•A p

ossib

ility.

21


Questions?

•Is

n’t t

he g

enera

tion o

f a p

ublically a

vailable

application o

ut

of scope for

the P

WG

?

•Although it

hasn’t y

et

been d

one, th

ere

is n

o r

eason w

hy it

could

not

be d

one.

•W

hat

about

Ira’s

idea o

f havin

g O

pen P

rinting d

o

this

?

•That

would

appear

to a

ddre

ss b

oth

the logis

tics p

roble

m

and t

he q

uestion o

f w

heth

er

the P

WG

could

reasonable

develo

p o

r even m

anage t

he d

evelo

pm

ent

of a p

roduct.

•Furt

her,

Ira

’s p

roposal goes b

eyond a

SN

MP t

o C

IM

convert

er

and goes t

he w

hole

route

to a

SN

MP/W

S-M

an

capability.

22


Ira’s

Suggestion

•Ir

a M

cD

onald

has s

uggeste

d a

join

t PW

G/O

P

pro

ject

to d

evelo

p a

n o

pen s

ourc

e W

S-M

AN

CIM

Pro

vid

er

(i.e

., p

roxy)

that

speaks:

•SN

MP t

o t

he P

rinte

r M

IB in e

xis

ting p

rinte

rs

•W

S-M

AN

to u

pstr

eam

managem

ent

sta

tions

•Ir

a h

as o

ffere

d t

o m

ento

r im

ple

mente

rs (

printe

r m

anufa

ctu

rers

, stu

dents

, c

onsultants

, etc

.) a

nd

Ira w

ould

pro

vid

e lia

ison b

etw

een t

he P

WG

and

the O

P o

rganiz

ation

23


Pro

posed O

pen P

rinting C

IM

Pro

vid

er

(OPCIM

P)

Pro

ject

1.

Use a

n e

xis

ting o

pen s

ourc

e C

IM p

roje

ct,

so t

hat

the O

PCIM

P w

ould

run o

n W

indow

s, Apple

Mac,

UN

IX, Lin

ux, etc

. Possib

ilitie

s inclu

de:

a)

Open C

IM (

Java b

ased)(

htt

p:/

/opencim

.org

/)

b)

Open G

roup's

OpenPegasus

(C+

+ b

ased)

htt

p:/

/ww

w.o

penpegasus.o

rg/

c)

Open W

BEM

(C+

+ b

ased)

htt

p:/

/openw

bem

.sourc

efo

rge.n

et/

d)

SBLIM

(C+

+ a

nd J

ava b

ased)

-G

NU

/Lin

ux s

yste

ms >

htt

p:/

/sblim

.wik

i.sourc

efo

rge.n

et/

(e)

SFCB [

Sm

all F

ootp

rint

CIM

Bro

ker]

(C b

ased for

em

bedded s

yste

ms)

>

htt

p:/

/sblim

.wik

i.sourc

efo

rge.n

et/

Sfc

b

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Pro

posed O

pen P

rinting C

IM

Pro

vid

er

(OPCIM

P)

Pro

ject

2.

Imple

ment

100%

covera

ge o

f CIM

Print

Devic

e c

lasses

(Printe

r M

IB v

2 a

nd F

inis

her

MIB

v1 o

bje

cts

)CIM

_Printe

r>

-prt

Genera

lTable

> -

prt

Console

Dis

pla

yBufferT

able

> -

prt

LocalizationTable

CIM

_PrintA

lert

Record

> -

prt

Ale

rtTable

CIM

_PrintC

hannel>

-prt

ChannelT

able

CIM

_PrintF

inis

her

> -

finD

evic

eTable

CIM

_PrintI

nputT

ray

> -

prt

InputT

able

CIM

_PrintI

nte

rlock

> -

prt

CoverT

able

CIM

_PrintI

nte

rpre

ter

> -

prt

Inte

rpre

terT

able

CIM

_PrintM

ark

er

> -

prt

Mark

erT

able

CIM

_PrintM

edia

Path

> -

prt

Media

Path

Table

CIM

_PrintO

utp

utT

ray

> -

prt

Outp

utT

able

CIM

_PrintS

upply

> -

prt

Mark

erS

uppliesTable

> -

prt

Mark

erC

olo

rantT

able

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Pro

posed O

pen P

rinting C

IM

Pro

vid

er

(OPCIM

P)

Pro

ject

3.

Imple

ment

incre

menta

l SN

MP s

upport

(w

ith e

xis

ting

libra

ries):

a)

SN

MPv1-C

om

munity first

(univ

ers

ally s

upport

ed b

y p

rinte

rs)

b)

SN

MPv2-C

om

munity s

econd (

for

perf

orm

ance)

c)

SN

MPv3-U

ser

third (

tric

ky d

ue t

o s

ecurity

configura

tion)

4.

Build s

ourc

e p

ackages a

nd p

ossib

ly b

inary

packages

for

severa

l deskto

p/w

ork

sta

tion p

latf

orm

s (

Win

dow

s,

OpenSola

ris, Lin

ux, etc

.)

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Dis

cussio

n

•Is

pro

vid

ing a

n o

penly

available

SN

MP t

o W

S-M

an

capability a d

esirable

obje

ctive for

the P

WG

?

•Is

the O

pen P

rinting a

ppro

ach t

he m

ost

reasonable

way t

o a

ppro

ach t

his

?

•W

hat

should

be t

he P

WG

degre

e o

f in

volv

em

ent?

W

hat

PW

G M

em

bers

are

willing t

o p

art

icip

ate

in

this

PW

G involv

em

ent?

•O

pen S

ourc

e d

oes n

ot

pre

clu

de c

om

panie

s fro

m

inclu

din

g s

om

e o

r all o

f th

is in t

heir p

roducts

(s

uch a

s a

convers

ion u

tility

or

appliance, or

perh

aps e

ven in t

heir im

agin

g p

roducts

). S

hould

th

e P

WG

have a

positio

n o

n t

his

?

Meeting End

•Conclu

sio

ns?

•Action I

tem

s?

•N

ext

Tele

confe

rence –

•7 J

uly

, 11AM

ED

T

•W

ill be a

nnounced.

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