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PUBLIC MEETING TO ANNOUNCE

PROPOSED PLAN AND PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD

FOR INTERIM ACTION REMEDY

FOR THE GARVEY ELEVATOR SUPERFUND SITE

HASTINGS, ADAMS COUNTY, NEBRASKA

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Hastings P u b l i c L i b r a r y

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Hastings, Nebraska 68901

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Superfund 25 Dana B u r k d o l l , CSR, RPR, CCR i

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3 MR. BEN WASHBURN: We are going to

4 t a l k about the proposed pl a n , what some of the

5 a l t e r n a t i v e s were, give you some s i t e updates,

6 and k i n d of what 1s going to happen i n the

7 f u t u r e here at the s i t e .

8 We have a court r e p o r t e r here

9 t o n i g h t who w i l l be documenting eve r y t h i n g that

1 0 i s s a i d f o r the record, f o r the p u b l i c comment,

1 1 because we w i l l take your comments and we w i l l

1 2 consider those and provide responses to a l l

1 3 comments provided here t o n i g h t .

1 4 B r i a n Zurbuchen i s the remedial

1 5 p r o j e c t manager f o r the s i t e . He w i l l be

1 6 g i v i n g the p r e s e n t a t i o n , he i s the man w i t h a l l

1 7 of the knowledge. He's the one that can answer

1 8 a l l of your questions.

1 9 So r e a l l y I would l i k e to thank you

20 guys f o r coming t o n i g h t . Please ask questions,

2 1 make comments throughout the n i g h t . And at the

2 2 end of the p r e s e n t a t i o n we w i l l be a v a i l a b l e as

2 3 w e l l i f you p r e f e r to speak to us p r i v a t e l y and

2 4 not i n f r o n t of the group.

2 5 I f you would l i k e to be on the

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1 mailing l i s t , we have some green cards there i n 2 the back, which you can sign, put your address 3 and your name on. And i f you're not on the 4 mailing l i s t , w e'll add you to the mailing

5 l i s t . 6 So whenever we have s i t e updates, we 7 send out a fact sheet, things l i k e that, y o u ' l l 8 receive i t i n the mail. 9 So I would ask you guys to do that

1 0 i f you so please. 1 1 And with at that, I ' l l turn i t over 1 2 to Brian and l e t him discuss the s i t e . 1 3 Brian. 1 4 SPEAKER, MR. BRIAN ZURBUCHEN: Good 1 5 evening, everybody. Again, thank you for 1 6 coming. 1 7 I f you do have questions during the 1 8 presentation, f e e l free to ask them, just be 1 9 sure to speak c l e a r l y and state your name for 2 0 the court reporter before you ask your 2 1 question. 2 2 Let's get ri g h t down to i t . I've 2 3 got quite a few s l i d e s here, so hopefully w e ' l l 2 4 f l i p through them quickly. But you w i l l be 2 5 able to absorb most of the information.

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1 As Ben said, we're here to 2 f a c i l i t a t e public involvement i n our remedy 3 s e l e c t i o n process. We want to inform the 4 public about what we've been doing to clean up 5 the s i t e thus f a r and how much progress we've 6 made about the current s i t e conditions, where's 7 the contamination, and at what l e v e l s . And to 8 l e t you know what a l t e r n a t i v e s we looked at to 9 address that contamination.

1 0 How we're going to clean i t up. Not 1 1 how we're going to clean i t up, but the 1 2 d i f f e r e n t methods we looked at to clean i t up. 1 3 And we're here most importantly to s o l i c i t your 1 4 public -- the public comments on what we 1 5 consider to be our EPA's preferred remedial 1 6 a l t e r n a t i v e . 1 7 This i s just an outlin e of what I ' l l 1 8 t a l k about tonight. An introduction and a 1 9 l i t t l e b i t about the s i t e h i s t o r y . I t ' s got 2 0 quite a long h i s t o r y . 2 1 Garvey Elevators was constructed way 2 2 back i n 1959 and i t went on the State's 2 3 voluntary cleanup program, and went into that 2 4 program i n 1995. So we've got a l o t of h i s t o r y 2 5 there. I ' l l t r y to get us through i t quickly.


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1 I ' l l t a l k about the remedial 2 i n v e s t i g a t i o n . These are our a c t i v i t i e s to 3 determine where a l l the contaminants are at the 4 s i t e and the s o i l and groundwater, where they 5 are and what type of contaminants we have 6 there. 7 And then we'll t a l k about the human 8 health r i s k s from that contamination. Does i t 9 p o t e n t i a l l y pose an excess r i s k to human

10 health? 1 1 Then we'll t a l k about a l l the 1 2 a l t e r n a t i v e s we looked at for s o i l and 1 3 groundwater, and which ones are the preferred 1 4 remedy. 1 5 I don't work alone on the s i t e , of 1 6 course. Randy Schademann, he jus t stepped out, 1 7 he's our on-scene coordinator. He handles most 1 8 of the response -- ear l y response actions of 1 9 the s i t e , providing people with alternate 2 0 water, extending municipal water l i n e s , running 2 1 the treatment system, these are a l l a c t i v i t i e s 2 2 that -- that on-scene coordinators t y p i c a l l y 2 3 conduct early on i n the process before they get 2 4 to a remedy. 2 5 Jennifer Trotter i s our s i t e

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1 a t t o r n e y . 2 J e n n i f e r , do you want to stand up

3 there?

4 And Ben Washburn, our community

5 involvement c o o r d i n a t o r , of course, i s up here.

6 And then our s t a t e partner i s L l o y d

7 Bruners, p r o j e c t manager f o r the Nebraska

8 Department of Environmental Q u a l i t y .

9 And then Tom B u e l l h i s -- h i s t i t l e ,

10 s o r r y , u n i t s u p e r v i s o r -- Superfund u n i t

1 1 s u p e r v i s o r . Correct?

1 2 MR. BUELL: P e r f e c t .

1 3 SPEAKER, MR. BRIAN ZURBUCHEN: And

1 4 then, of course, p a r t of the s i t e team i s

1 5 Hastings and the surrounding community.

1 6 Okay. T y p i c a l l y , the Superfund

1 7 remedial process, you know, how do we get to

1 8 t h i s p o i n t where we s e l e c t a remedy? How do we

1 9 get to the end where we cleaned i t up?

2 0 I t ' s a long process. I t ' s not

2 1 simple. We're spending a l o t of p u b l i c d o l l a r s

2 2 to do these cleanups. We have to be c e r t a i n

2 3 that we're s e l e c t i n g the r i g h t remedy. We have

2 4 to be c e r t a i n that we know where a l l the

2 5 contaminants are before we go out and take an


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1 a c t i o n , because i t ' s extremely expensive.

2 So, i n the f i r s t phase i s our

3 pre-remedial process, we're done w i t h t h a t .

4 Then the s i t e becomes l i s t e d on the n a t i o n a l

5 p r i o r i t i e s l i s t . I t ' s on the n a t i o n a l

6 p r i o r i t i e s l i s t . I t was l i s t e d i n 2005.

7 Then we begin what's c a l l e d a

8 remedial i n v e s t i g a t i o n f e a s i b i l i t y study.

9 That's where we look at where the contaminants

1 0 are, what types of contaminants we have. And

1 1 then we do a f e a s i b i l i t y study to i d e n t i f y a

1 2 number of a l t e r n a t i v e s that might be used to

1 3 c l e a n i t up.

1 4 And then we issue our proposed p l a n

1 5 and take p u b l i c comment on t h a t .

1 6 We're i n t h i s stage r i g h t here.

1 7 When we iss u e d a record of d e c i s i o n ,

1 8 that documents the a l t e r n a t i v e we've s e l e c t e d .

1 9 So we're r i g h t here i n the p u b l i c comment

2 0 p e r i o d .

2 1 A f t e r we s e l e c t that remedy, we're

2 2 going to design a treatment system and then

2 3 implement i t .

2 4 I t ' s a l i t t l e more complex at

2 5 Garvey. L i f e i s never as simple as you hoped


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1 i t would be and t h a t ' s e s p e c i a l l y true

2 sometimes f o r Superfund s i t e s .

3 At t h i s s i t e , we had a l o t of

4 h i s t o r i c a l i n f o r m a t i o n when we came onto the

5 s i t e i n 2005.

6 As you r e c a l l , I s a i d back i n 1995

7 i t was i n the State's v o l u n t a r y cleanup

8 program. Garvey had done some work, they

9 i n s t a l l e d a system at the s i t e . And they had

1 0 done a l i t t l e b i t of s i t e c h a r a c t e r i z a t i o n on

1 1 t h e i r property.

1 2 So we had enough in f o r m a t i o n to move

1 3 towards what's c a l l e d an i n t e r i m rod so we

1 4 could take e a r l y a c t i o n . And t h i s e a r l y

1 5 a c t i o n , the purpose of that was to c o n t r o l that

1 6 source area and stop f u r t h e r r e l e a s e s from the

1 7 former Garvey f a c i l i t y i t s e l f to the

1 8 downgrading groundwater plume.

1 9 So r i g h t now we1 re r i g h t here. So

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2 1 that we s e l e c t e d back i n 2010. Many of you

2 2 were here f o r that meeting. And we're here to

2 3 take p u b l i c comment on t h i s i n t e r i m remedial

2 4 a c t i o n as w e l l , because there i s s t i l l some

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1 p a r t i c u l a r area, t h a t ' s the groundwater at the

2 source area.

3 So we're c o n t a i n i n g the source area,

4 and r i g h t now we're proposing a remedy f o r the

5 -- f o r the source area s o i l s and that b i g

6 plume, that l a r g e f o u r - m i l e long plume that

7 comes from the s i t e . Those are the two areas.

8 Many of you are f a m i l i a r w i t h Garvey

9 E l e v a t o r s , t h a t ' s why I j u s t jumped to t h a t .

1 0 S i t e h i s t o r y : Garvey former owner,

1 1 current owner i s Ag Processing.

1 2 Garvey E l e v a t o r s , back i n 1959,

1 3 constructed the f a c i l i t y , i n s t a l l e d a carbon

1 4 t e t r a c h l o r i d e storage tank f o r the fumigation

1 5 of g r a i n . There was a pipe that ran from that

1 6 tank to the above-ground storage tank that

1 7 s t o r e d 2,000 g a l l o n s . And so there was a pipe

1 8 that ran from that tank up the side of the

1 9 e l e v a t o r i n t o g a l l e r i e s , i n f i l t r a t i o n

2 0 g a l l e r i e s , along the top of the e l e v a t o r there.

2 1 So at some p o i n t between 1959 when

2 2 that tank was i n s t a l l e d and 1986 when i t was we

2 3 removed, there were re l e a s e s of carbon

2 4 t e t r a c h l o r i d e from that tank. Or from the tank

2 5 and the -- and the b u r i e d l i n e .

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1 There were drips, the pipe may have 2 burst, the buried pipe may have burst or 3 leaked, or corroded and leaked, but there were 4 releases i n that v i c i n i t y there. 5 So there are a number of b u l l e t 6 items here that go through how the s i t e was 7 discovered. And, um, the State's involvement 8 e a r l y on, '94, Garvey l e t us say, no, we have a 9 problem here, we have t h i s t e t r a c h l o r i d e i n our

1 0 s o i l and groundwater. 1 1 In '97 they found i n i t one of the 1 2 municipal wells. That well was taken off l i n e 1 3 and put on emergency use only. 1 4 In '99, Garvey i n s t a l l e d t h e i r --1 5 t h e i r system just on t h e i r property to handle 1 6 some of that s o i l and the groundwater there. 1 7 Between '99 and 2002 they operated 1 8 that system. They estimated they removed 2,100 1 9 pounds of carbon t e t r a c h l o r i d e . 2 0 In 2 002, they said they didn't want 2 1 to p a r t i c i p a t e anymore with the State. And 2 2 then the State conducted what's c a l l e d an 2 3 preliminary assessment s i t e i n v e s t i g a t i o n . 2 4 That's the early phases of the Superfund 2 5 process.


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1 This shows that treatment system

2 that was -- that i s at the former Garvey

3 E l e v a t o r property.

4 A c t u a l l y , t h i s should be e i g h t .

5 That i s my mistake.

6 There are eight groundwater

7 e x t r a c t i o n w e l l s . Groundwater e x t r a c t i o n w e l l s

8 are denoted by the symbol here. General

9 groundwater flow d i r e c t i o n i s east, w i t h a

1 0 s l i g h t southeast trend.

1 1 There are eigh t s o i l vapor

1 2 e x t r a c t i o n w e l l s to t r e a t the s o i l .

1 3 So the goal of t h i s system was to

1 4 prevent any contamination from f l o w i n g o f f

1 5 t h e i r s i t e . And, urn, the s o i l vapor e x t r a c t i o n

1 6 w e l l s , they e x t r a c t s o i l vapors and then

1 7 emitted i t i n t o the atmosphere. But i f the

1 8 concentrations are too high, then i t i s

1 9 destroyed i n a c a t a l y t i c o x i d a t i o n o x i d i z e r

2 0 system. I t ' s o n - s i t e as w e l l .

2 1 So, these e x t r a c t i o n w e l l s e x t r a c t e d

2 2 the water, i t was t r e a t e d i n a treatment

2 3 b u i l d i n g here, and then r e j e c t e d i n t o these two

2 4 i n j e c t i o n s . They i n s t a l l e d that system back i n

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1 aren't c e r t a i n how r e l i a b l y they operated i t . 2 But that's a l l -- that's a l l we know i s what's 3 i n the records there, because we hadn't taken 4 over at that point. 5 In 2 0 05, we added i t to the NPL. 6 That made i t e l i g i b l e to receive public funds 7 i n the event that the former owner wasn't able 8 to pay for i t or the operator or the 9 transporter.

1 0 There are a few categories there 1 1 that could be p o t e n t i a l l y l i a b l e . 1 2 In 2005, 2008, that time range, EPA 1 3 signed Garvey on to an administrative order of 1 4 dissent. That was an order that they 1 5 v o l u n t a r i l y signed and they agreed to do some 1 6 s i t e c h a r a c t e r i z a t i o n work. They agreed to 1 7 determine where a l l of the contamination i s at 1 8 the source area and also downgrading i t . And 1 9 they performed part of that work. But then i n 2 0 2008 they declared bankruptcy, i n March 2008. 2 1 So we took over at that point. And, 2 2 from 2008, to the present, these are some of 2 3 the removal actions that Randy and h i s group 2 4 has performed. They extended i t , you know, 1.4 2 5 miles of water mains to get clean water to


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1 r e s i d e n t s whose p r i v a t e w e l l s were impacted.

2 By our current count, I b e l i e v e t h a t ' s 19

3 residences.

4 And they -- they a l s o upgraded that

5 system at that source area. The Garvey system,

6 that they i n s t a l l e d , Randy's group, they

7 upgraded that system to b e t t e r capture that

8 groundwater.

9 And then a few more dates here.

10 Move on.

1 1 Operable u n i t s . The s i t e -- the

1 2 s i t e i s ra t h e r l a r g e . We have a plume that i s

1 3 four miles long. The former property i t s e l f .

1 4 S o i l contaminated. Groundwater contaminated.

1 5 We broke i t i n t o operable u n i t s to make i t

1 6 e a s i e r f o r us to address. So some of i t i s

1 7 a d m i n i s t r a t i v e .

1 8 OU 1, operable u n i t 1, i s a

1 9 contaminated s o i l s and groundwater at the

2 0 f a c i l i t y i t s e l f on that former Garvey property.

2 1 OU 2 i s downgraded. Everything

2 2 downgrades, so that huge plume downgraded.

2 3 That i s OU 2.

2 4 We've already t a l k e d about the

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1 and geology and the nature and action of the 2 net contamination. 3 This i s just a general p r o f i l e of 4 the s o i l beneath the s i t e . We have about 115 5 feet of unsaturated s o i l s . And underlaying by, 6 saturated zone that i s about 110 feet t h i c k . 7 Sand and gravel aquifer, very conductive, as 8 you a l l probably know. 9 And, there are a couple of f a i r l y

1 0 l a t e r a l l y extensive s i l t y clay u n i t s . And 1 1 those are denoted here by these brown zones. 1 2 So we've got an upper, medial and 1 3 lower aquifer. But i t ' s a l l the same. Like 1 4 the age of aquifer i s 110 feet t h i c k . 1 5 So what did we do to characterize 1 6 the si t e ? We took a l o t of samples. We took a 1 7 sample everywhere we thought contamination 1 8 might be. Because we're not only looking at 1 9 carbon t e t r a c h l o r i d e , we need to see i f there 2 0 i s any other p e s t i c i d e s , perhaps, they used and 2 1 didn't apply properly. Maybe there are other 2 2 fumigants they used. Maybe there i s PCBs from 2 3 the other transformer out there that leaked 2 4 into the ground. We have to go out and take a 2 5 look at a l l the d i f f e r e n t media.


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1 Sediment. We looked where the --2 where, you know, we expect the runoff to flow. 3 And we took sediment samples at eight 4 locations. We c o l l e c t e d surface s o i l samples, 5 19 of those. Subsurface s o i l samples. 6 And then we also d id a l o t of 7 groundwater sampling, 14 6 samples from 4 0 8 locations. And then we i n s t a l l e d several 9 monitoring wells that we continue to monitor.

1 0 I'm going to show you pictures of 1 1 these where we took these samples here to give 1 2 you some perspective. 1 3 So we sampled groundwater at the 1 4 property and then also on downgrading i n that 1 5 plume. And we sampled multiple depths, not 1 6 j u s t one depth. 1 7 For example, here -- here i s where 1 8 we c o l l e c t e d our sediment samples. These are 1 9 the drainage areas by these white dash l i n e s 2 0 here. So each point represents a sediment 2 1 sample. 2 2 This red one here, t h i s i s an area 2 3 where we detected something. What we f i r s t do 2 4 i s we sample. I f i t ' s above our screening 2 5 l e v e l s , then we have to look more c l o s e l y at


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1 i t . We have only one lo c a t i o n here of 2 sediments where i t exceeded our screening 3 l e v e l s . So we keep that and r e t a i n that 4 because we want to take a closer look when we 5 do the remediation. 6 So at f i r s t we screen i t . 7 Next, we -- are the surface s o i l 8 samples. Each point represents a surface s o i l 9 sampling l o c a t i o n . We can see the elevator

1 0 here. 1 1 Here i s the upright grain bins. 1 2 I didn't explain that. This i s an 1 3 a e r i a l photograph that we're looking at. 1 4 Here i s the entry road to the grain 1 5 elevator. 1 6 Here's the tracks that run i n the 1 7 northwest -- northeast/southwest d i r e c t i o n . 1 8 Here's that f l a p storage at the 1 9 grain bin. 2 0 So t h i s i s the big t a l l elevator 2 1 that we see here. 2 2 Now, where did we see anything? 2 3 When we screened i t , we had, one, 2 4 two, three, four, f i v e locations where we had 2 5 contaminants above our screening l e v e l s and


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1 these are those contaminants here.

2 Notice that none of the surface

3 s o i l samples had carbon t e t r a c h l o r i d e , but they

4 d i d have t h i s chloroform, which i s a

5 degradation compound of carbon t e t r a c h l o r i d e .

6 PCB's were found near the

7 transformer.

8 Now, t h a t ' s j u s t screen load.

9 We looked at 108 samples from 31

1 0 l o c a t i o n s at m u l t i p l e depths i n the s o i l at a l l

1 1 of these l o c a t i o n s here. And we found four

1 2 l o c a t i o n s , only four l o c a t i o n s where we found

1 3 contaminants above the screening l e v e l s .

1 4 We d i d f i n d carbon depth i n the

is s o i l .

1 6 These p o i n t s here are near that

1 7 former storage tank and we i n t e n t i o n a l l y

1 8 focused our sampling, some of the sampling

1 9 r i g h t where that storage tank was.

2 0 We a l s o c o l l e c t e d indoor a i r and

2 1 s u b - f l a t samples to assess whether there were

2 2 any vapors coming i n t o the shop, the

2 3 maintenance stop there, or i n t o the o f f i c e .

2 4 Those are the l o c a t i o n s f o r those. And we only

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1 Okay. Now, here's that huge plume.

2 This i s the e l e v a t o r r i g h t here t h a t ' s covered

3 up by a l l of our sampling p o i n t s . And t h i s i s

4 what the plume looks l i k e . That's the t o t a l

5 l a t e r a l extent of the plume. The highest

6 l e v e l s are r i g h t here i n the middle.

7 Now, t h i s i s , over here i s -- I

8 t h i n k t h i s i s T e c h n i c a l Boulevard r i g h t here.

9 Baltimore Avenue i s r i g h t here. Washington i s

1 0 t h i s s t r e e t here.

1 1 THE AUDIENCE: Wabash.

1 2 SPEAKER, MR. BRIAN ZURBUCHEN: Thank

1 3 you. You know where we are.

1 4 Does anybody not? I t h i n k everybody

1 5 does.

1 6 So, what we d i d i s we took a -- a,

1 7 what's c a l l e d a d i r e c t push, technology probe,

1 8 and we pushed down i n t o the a q u i f e r and grabbed

1 9 samples from s e v e r a l d i f f e r e n t depths.

2 0 Okay. Each one of these y e l l o w

21 dots.

2 2 And we a l s o supplemented that w i t h

2 3 some e x i s t i n g i n f o r m a t i o n from our other s i t e .

2 4 Those are the green dots.

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1 didn't know where the plume was. We had an 2 idea which d i r e c t i o n i t was flowing. I should 3 have showed you the sample we did f i r s t without 4 the plume, because we got the plume pict u r e 5 a f t e r we did the sampling, of course. 6 Now, I'm going to show you a couple 7 of cross-sections. We're going to s l i c e down 8 i n t o the aquifer so you can see what the plume 9 looks l i k e that i s not spread throughout the

1 0 aquifer uniformly. 1 1 And these were the -- the samples --1 2 okay, from monitoring wells. So to get t h i s 1 3 p i c t u r e , we also used monitoring well data from 1 4 a number of monitoring wells. Some associated 1 5 with Garvey that we i n s t a l l e d . Some from the 1 6 Dana s i t e . 1 7 And i t looks l i k e quite a few, but 1 8 a c t u a l l y that number of wells over that a e r i a l 1 9 extent i s not that many. 2 0 You have four miles long and you're 2 1 t r y i n g to track how i t ' s moving. So i t seems 2 2 l i k e a l o t of samples, but i t ' s r e a l l y not. 2 3 So, i f we -- t h i s cross-section 2 4 r i g h t here at Garvey, along the r a i l r o a d there 2 5 i f we s l i c e down and look at that. Here's the


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1 water table r i g h t here. Here's where we 2 sampled. Here's where the highest 3 concentrations are. And that gives you a 4 l i t t l e b i t of a mental image there. 5 The next cross-section shows a nice 6 egg-shaped plume there. I t ' s how we would 7 expect transport and dispersion to occur i n the 8 aquifer. As i t flows with the groundwater, i t 9 a c t u a l l y spreads out l a t e r a l l y as w e l l . I t

1 0 spreads with the d i r e c t i o n of groundwater flow 1 1 and l a t e r a l l y . 1 2 So the next step we -- we assess 1 3 where -- what the contaminants were, where they 1 4 are, and now we need to quantify the r i s k s . 1 5 There i s four steps: 1 6 Characterize d i s t r i b u t i o n . 1 7 Estimate exposures. 1 8 Assess the health dangers and dose 1 9 response. 2 0 And calculate the r i s k s . 2 1 And I ' l l t a l k about what populations 2 2 we considered. There i s d i f f e r e n t groups of 2 3 populations we have when we do a r i s k 2 4 assessment. 2 5 So we -- the d i f f e r e n t populations


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1 we looked at were: 2 Outdoor i n d u s t r i a l workers. 3 Indoor i n d u s t r i a l works. 4 Off-property residents. 5 Trespassers. 6 Construction workers. 7 And future on-property residents, 8 because what i f the elevator was dismantled and 9 i t was developed for residents. So we assessed

1 0 that halfway as w e l l . 1 1 Now, what's shown here are -- HI 1 2 stands for hazard index. I f i t ' s greater than 1 3 1, then that's bad. So, NV means no value, we 1 4 don't have the t o x i c i t y information to assess 1 5 that pathway. That i s what NV means. 1 6 Over here, we have 24, which i s many 1 7 times greater than 1 force. And, that i s 1 8 d e f i n i t e l y an issue. 1 9 And the CR i s cancer r i s k . Excess 2 0 cancer r i s k above your normal r i s k of getting 2 1 cancer over your l i f e t i m e . 2 2 So that's 1.4 times to the minus 3. 2 3 So i t ' s .00 0 -- no. Too many 0's. 001, 1 i n 2 4 1,000, excess cancer r i s k s above the normal 2 5 r i s k . That's to an off-property resident


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1 d r i n k i n g the most contaminated water i n the

2 plume over a -- I b e l i e v e i t ' s a 30-year

3 p e r i o d .

4 So the red areas are the ones that

5 we found pose an unacceptable r i s k and we need

6 to address those. So the fu t u r e

7 on-property r e s i d e n t s exposed to s o i l s , and

8 then o f f - p r o p e r t y r e s i d e n t s exposed to

9 groundwater, f u t u r e on-property r e s i d e n t s

1 0 exposed to o n - s i t e groundwater.

1 1 Yes, L o r i .

1 2 THE AUDIENCE: So these f o l k s here

1 3 that l i v e downgrade, i t was current

1 4 o f f - p r o p e r t y r e s i d e n t s , r i g h t ?

is SPEAKER, MR. BRIAN ZURBUCHEN: These

1 6 f o l k s would not, because they have been

1 7 connected to municipal water.

is THE AUDIENCE: Okay.

1 9 SPEAKER, MR. BRIAN ZURBUCHEN: We're

2 0 l o o k i n g at -- i n the scenario, we're l o o k i n g at

2 1 someone who i n s t a l l e d a w e l l that we don't know

2 2 about. Since we're on the s i t e and we provide

2 3 a l t e r n a t e water, e i t h e r connecting people to

2 4 the municipal main or supplying them w i t h

2 5 b o t t l e d water.


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1 But everybody, except f o r one

2 r e s i d e n t , i s connected to the municipal main

3 and we sample p e r i o d i c a l l y r e s i d e n t s that are

4 near the plume. So the ones w i t h i n are alre a d y

5 taken care of. The ones near i t , we continue

6 to monitor on a frequency that we determine

7 based on -- on what -- what we suspect the

8 plume i s doing or what we estimate i t ' s doing.

9 THE AUDIENCE: So that r i s k now may

1 0 be removed f o r a l l of these f o l k s that are on

1 1 C i t y water now?

1 2 SPEAKER, MR. BRIAN ZURBUCHEN: Yes.

1 3 THE AUDIENCE: There i s no r i s k

1 4 whatsoever, not even i n the ground s o i l ?

15 SPEAKER, MR. BRIAN ZURBUCHEN: No.

1 6 There i s f o r f u t u r e on-property r e s i d e n t s .

1 7 Right here, there i s an unacceptable excess

1 8 cancer r i s k to surface and subsurface s o i l .

1 9 This r i s k i s not -- i t doesn't disappear. We

2 0 take --we assume that people are able t o use

2 1 that groundwater and we want to cle a n i t up and

2 2 r e s t o r e i t to i t s b e n e f i c i a l use. I f you can't

2 3 address a s i t e by simply supplying municipal

2 4 water to r e s i d e n t s , that doesn't -- that

2 5 doesn't address contamination and that i s not


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1 what we're doing. We're here to clea n up the

2 s i t e .

3 THE AUDIENCE: My question i s : What

4 about the s o i l ?

5 SPEAKER, MR. BRIAN ZURBUCHEN: Oh,

6 the s o i l . To o f f - p r o p e r t y r e s i d e n t s , no, there

7 i s no iss u e there because there were no

8 r e l e a s e s to the s o i l . I t ' s i n the groundwater,

9 i t ' s not v o l a t i l i z i n g , you know, i n t o the s o i l

1 0 at a r a t e where i t can cause s o i l contamination

1 1 throughout a 100 foo t , going out to the surface

1 2 s o i l t h a t you would be exposed t o .

1 3 No, there i s no r i s k from the

1 4 G a r f i e l d . . .

is THE AUDIENCE: Except at the

is e l e v a t o r .

1 7 SPEAKER, MR. BRIAN ZURBUCHEN:

1 8 Except on the property. Right. She was t a k i n g

1 9 about the o f f - p r o p e r t y r e s i d e n t . Right.

2 0 At the e l e v a t o r , i f someone, i n an

2 1 exposure scenario l i k e an on-property r e s i d e n t ,

2 2 that -- that i n c l u d e s c h i l d r e n . So, urn, you

2 3 would be e a t i n g a c e r t a i n f r a c t i o n of the s o i l ,

2 4 they assume that you eat so much a day, you

2 5 breath so much of the dust, there are a l o t of


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1 assumptions that to go into these r i s k 2 assessments. 3 So, say, again, sediment, i t was 4 found to be within acceptable l i m i t s . Surface 5 and subsurface s o i l at the source area exceeds 6 acceptable l i m i t s for a future resident. And 7 then, groundwater exceeds acceptable l i m i t s f o r 8 a future resident. 9 O f f - s i t e , we have the same thing,

1 0 unacceptable. 1 1 The contaminants of concern. These are 1 2 the contaminants that pose that excess r i s k i n 1 3 the s o i l s , PCB and carbon t e t . Groundwater, 1 4 carbon t e t , chloroform, and tr i c h l o r o e t h a n o l . 1 5 Downgrading i n the plume, i t ' s 1 6 carbon tet and chloroform. CCL4 and CHCL3. 1 7 What's our cleanup strategy? So, 1 8 early on I showed you that -- that bar or that 1 9 ribbon that described the remedial process. 2 0 And then I showed you there was a popup that 2 1 said -- showed the interim actions that were 2 2 taken. Those interim actions that we're 2 3 already taking are Phase 1. 2 4 Phase 2 i s what we're i n ri g h t now 2 5 and that's what we're here to take public


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1 comment about, i s what our preferred remedy 2 that we're presenting to you. 3 Phase 3, that w i l l address the 4 source area groundwater that we're s t i l l 5 evacuating. 6 So t h i s i s j u s t , again, that bar 7 that shows Phase 1, what's going on rig h t now. 8 We're ri g h t here. 9 We're i n t h i s Phase 2.

1 0 And then, eventually, there w i l l be 1 1 a Phase 3 to get to a f i n a l remedy for the 1 2 entire s i t e . 1 3 So where are -- we have to i d e n t i f y what 1 4 our objectives are before we go out and just 1 5 s t a r t designing something. Short-term 1 6 and long-term objectives are shown here. 1 7 We want to prevent any further 1 8 migration from those contaminated s o i l s 1 9 i n f i l t r a t i n g to the groundwater. We want to 2 0 prevent that, we want to clean up that s o i l . 2 1 And we want to prevent that plume from 2 2 spreading further, that huge four-mile long 2 3 plume. We want to prevent any exposures to 2 4 that plume. 2 5 And long term, we want to restore


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1 the a q u i f e r , i t s b e n e f i c i a l use and reduce

2 contaminant concentrations to an acceptable

3 l e v e l s .

4 Now, we looked at four a l t e r n a t i v e s

5 f o r the s o i l s at Garvey and four a l t e r n a t i v e s

6 f o r that plume. The no-action a l t e r n a t i v e

7 y o u ' l l see SI and G l , t h a t ' s an a l t e r n a t i v e we

8 have to look a t , i t ' s a b a s e l i n e a l t e r n a t i v e .

9 We have to look at i t , because there i s some

1 0 cost a s s o c i a t e d w i t h t h a t . Even though we're

1 1 t a k i n g no remedial a c t i o n , we s t i l l have to

1 2 monitor things at the s i t e , so there i s some

1 3 costs a s s o c i a t e d w i t h i t . So that i s our

1 4 b a s e l i n e .

1 5 OU 2, S2, t h i s a l t e r n a t i v e we looked

1 6 at what i f we took those s o i l s , dug them up,

1 7 t r e a t e d them, and then continued to operate

1 8 that s o i l vapor e x t r a c t i o n system that i s

1 9 c u r r e n t l y there. We looked at that

2 0 a l t e r n a t i v e .

2 1 S3, what i f we j u s t expanded that

2 2 SVE system. What i f we didn't d i g up the s o i l .

2 3 What i f we j u s t expanded that SVE system.

2 4 And then a l t e r n a t i v e S4, what i f we

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1 continued to operate.

2 Now, groundwater. This i s a l o t of

3 i n f o r m a t i o n . I can b a r e l y remember the s o i l s

4 r i g h t now. Probably your heads are swimming.

5 OU 2 groundwater. We'll go through

6 these and I can come back i f we need t o .

7 G2. What i f we j u s t pump and t r e a t

8 at the le a d i n g edge of the plume, i t ' s the

9 f a r t h e s t edge of the plume, i n the d i r e c t i o n of

1 0 groundwater flow out at Texaco Boulevard, i n

1 1 that area.

1 2 What d i d we do? Ex t r a c t e d the

1 3 groundwater there, t r e a t e d and discharged i t .

1 4 How much would that cost? How long would i t

1 5 take? There's a l l s o r t s of c r i t e r i a we'd have

1 6 to look a t .

1 7 G3. What i f we pumped and t r e a t e d

1 8 at the le a d i n g edge, but we a l s o i n the middle

1 9 we pumped and t r e a t e d . So we k i n d of cut the

2 0 plume o f f here, and at the l e a d i n g edge. Would

2 1 that speed up things? Maybe.

2 2 And then a l t e r n a t i v e G4 i s what i f

2 3 we pumped and t r e a t e d at the l e a d i n g edge and

2 4 then i n the most contaminated area we d i d some

2 5 chemical i n s i t u treatment that breaks down the


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1 carbon t e t r a c h l o r i d e . 2 As I was saying before, the 3 no-action a l t e r n a t i v e , there i s some cost 4 associated with that because we have to have 5 continued project management, which means work 6 plans. We have to do a statutory five-year 7 review on the s i t e . We s t i l l have to conduct 8 monitoring. So a l l the cleanup a l t e r n a t i v e s 9 w i l l include these components, of course.

10 Now, that a l t e r n a t i v e S2, where we

11 dig up the s o i l s and treat them and put them 1 2 back. Well, a c t u a l l y , we don't put them

13 d i r e c t l y back. We dig them up, treat them over 1 4 i n t h i s area here, and then dispose of them

15 here, and borrow the s o i l from here and put i t 1 6 back here.

17 Urn, so our a c t i v a t i o n area, we would 1 8 have a 40-foot-by-10-foot area that i s s i x foot

19 deep. That's what we estimate r i g h t now. 2 0 Later, when we get into design, we may do some 2 1 a d d i t i o n a l sampling to revise that area, but 2 2 that's our best guess r i g h t now what i t would 2 3 take. 2 4 A l t e r n a t i v e S3, expand that SVE 2 5 system. And by expanding i t , there are eight


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1 wells currently. We would i n s t a l l two 2 a d d i t i o n a l ones r i g h t i n the place they -- i t 3 would have been best to i n s t a l l them i n the 4 f i r s t place, which i s r i g h t at that tank and 5 r i g h t at that buried l i n e . We would have 6 i n s t a l l e d two wells r i g h t there where we know 7 the release i s -- some releases occurred. 8 A l t e r n a t i v e S4, we put those two 9 a l t e r n a t i v e s that we just talked about

1 0 together. 1 1 Okay. That -- that s l i d e i s 1 2 missing. And that's proposed extension of ICA. 1 3 Let me get to that. That's a component of the 1 4 three groundwater remedies for operable Unit 2. 1 5 For the large plume down gradient, 1 6 there's currently an i n s t i t u t i o n a l control area 1 7 for the C i t y of Hastings. And i t -- l e t ' s see, 1 8 that boundary coincides i n some places with the 1 9 edge of the City's boundary. 2 0 So, what we are proposing to do i s 2 1 to extend to -- have that ordinance be extended 2 2 down to prevent somebody from i n s t a l l i n g a -- a 2 3 private drinking water well i n that area where 2 4 the plume i s . 2 5 Now, we can't draw a l i n e exactly


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1 around the plume and say t h i s i s that

2 i n s t i t u t i o n a l c o n t r o l area where nobody should

3 put a w e l l , a d r i n k i n g water w e l l i n p a r t i c u l a r

4 i s what I'm t a l k i n g about, a domestic w e l l .

5 So we have to go outside of that a

6 l i t t l e b i t to the north and south j u s t a l i t t l e

7 b i t and then out i n f r o n t of i t .

8 Out i n f r o n t of i t i s the NAD, that

9 there are not many r e s i d e n t s out i n that area.

10 A l t e r n a t i v e G2 f o r the OU 2

11 groundwater. Pump and t r e a t the l e a d i n g edge.

1 2 We would i n s t a l l three w e l l s at the le a d i n g

1 3 edge.

1 4 And i t ' s c a l l e d the l e a d i n g edge

1 5 because some of the plume i s s t i l l i n the

1 6 medial a q u i f e r at t h i s p o i n t and then i t s l o w l y

1 7 migrates down i n t o the lower a q u i f e r . So i t

1 8 moves not only h o r i z o n t a l l y , but i t has a

1 9 v e r t i c a l component as w e l l .

2 0 So t h a t ' s why there are two sets of

2 1 w e l l s . We had a s i n g l e treatment b u i l d i n g

2 2 here. So s i x e x t r a c t i o n w e l l s , treatment

2 3 b u i l d i n g and two i n j e c t i o n -- or three

2 4 i n j e c t i o n w e l l s to r e i n j e c t the clea n and

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1 So we would have a piping run 2 along -- t h i s road i s --

3 THE AUDIENCE: Ottawa w e l l . 4 SPEAKER, MR. BRIAN ZURBUCHEN: 5 Ottawa, yes, that i s correct. 6 A l t e r n a t i v e G3. Pump and treat at 7 the leading edge and mid-plume. So t h i s i s i n 8 an e f f o r t to see what would happen i f we would 9 pump i n two ad d i t i o n a l areas to see i f we could

1 0 speed that up. So we would have three wells 1 1 out at the leading edge and then an ad d i t i o n a l 1 2 s i x wells i n the middle of the plume there. 1 3 The treatment b u i l d i n g i n t h i s case 1 4 would have to be located or be best to be 1 5 located midway between those sets of wells. 1 6 And the green i s the piping. 1 7 Now, a l t e r n a t i v e G4, which i s 1 8 pumping at the leading edge. In addition to 1 9 that, i t would be i n j e c t i o n s of -- of, a 2 0 chemical treatment to -- to address that 2 1 contamination. 2 2 That -- those i n j e c t i o n wells, there 2 3 would be 3 9 of them on a 40-foot -- i t had a

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1 these i n j e c t i o n s because you have to get the 2 s t u f f to the contaminants. 3 So t h i s plume has been spreading out 4 for 53 years. Urn, so i t ' s not going to -- you 5 know, i t ' s -- i t ' s spread out for four miles. 6 I t ' s not contracting, i t ' s spreading. So i t ' s 7 very d i f f i c u l t to i n j e c t a treatment everywhere 8 the contaminated groundwater i s . That's 9 unfeasible.

1 0 That i s why the default a l t e r n a t i v e 1 1 a l o t of times i s pump and treat because there 1 2 aren't a l o t of al t e r n a t i v e s that are good. 1 3 Now, how did we evaluate the 1 4 alternatives? There are two threshold 1 5 c r i t e r i a . I f i t doesn't meet -- i f the 1 6 a l t e r n a t i v e doesn't meet these two c r i t e r i a , we 1 7 don't consider i t . Protection of human health 1 8 i n the environment and compliance with ARARS. 1 9 That i s -- here we go. Applicable or relevant 2 0 and appropriate requirements. 2 1 These might be State requirements, 2 2 or, other Federal requirements not under a set 2 3 of regulations that EPA oversees. Maybe --2 4 maybe Fish and W i l d l i f e statutes or something 2 5 that we have to meet. So those are other


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1 requirements that we have to meet. I f i t 2 doesn't meet those, then we don't consider i t . 3 And then modifying c r i t e r i a i n the 4 short term and long term how e f f e c t i v e i t i s . 5 Does i t reduce t o x i c i t y , m o b i l i t y and volume of 6 the contaminants? Can we implement i t ? And 7 how much does i t cost? Those are modifying 8 c r i t e r i a that we're t r y i n g . 9 The balancing c r i t e r i a are State and

1 0 community acceptance. So we'll look at each 1 1 one of these a l t e r n a t i v e s and look at our 1 2 evaluation of those a l t e r n a t i v e s . 1 3 So a l l the no-action a l t e r n a t i v e s 1 4 have some common elements. They're not 1 5 protective. We looked at a 30-year time frame 1 6 for each one of those. No-action a l t e r n a t i v e s . 1 7 And i t would cost for those s o i l s , no-action i s 1 8 s t i l l going to cost about $300,000. 1 9 Groundwater, about 850,000. That i s our 2 0 estimate. That's to do project management, to 2 1 create work plans, to do groundwater 2 2 monitoring, and to do our five-year statutory 2 3 required reviews. 2 4 Now, t h i s i s -- i t presents -- or 2 5 present an evaluation of a l l of the s o i l


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1 a l t e r n a t i v e s here. 2 Protection of human health and 3 environment for the no-action a l t e r n a t i v e , 4 minus i t doesn't meet that a l t e r n a t i v e -- or I 5 mean that c r i t e r i a . I t doesn't protect human 6 health and the environment. I f we just leave 7 i t there and do nothing, i t doesn't protect i t . 8 And i t doesn't -- nor does i t comply with our 9 ARARS. So we don't --we don't look at the

1 0 rest of i t . 1 1 Cost, as I said before, i s almost

12 $300,000. 1 3 S2. I f we excavated the s o i l and 1 4 operated the SVE system, protection of human 1 5 health and the environment. I t ' s protective 1 6 and complies with the ARARS. On a scale of 1 1 7 to 5, we rated i t a 3 i n terms of long-term 1 8 effectiveness. A 3 i n terms of reducing 1 9 t o x i c i t y , m o b i l i t y and volume through 2 0 treatment. 2 1 Is i t e f f e c t i v e i n the short term? 2 2 Moderately e f f e c t i v e , moderately implementable. 2 3 I f we expanded the SVE system, i f we 2 4 j u s t expanded i t , you can see, again, that S3 2 5 and S4 are both -- both meet the two threshold


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1 c r i t e r i a . But i n the end, a l t e r n a t i v e S4 i s

2 b e t t e r i n terms of long-term e f f e c t i v e n e s s and

3 the cost i s l e s s than the a l t e r n a t i v e S3. The

4 time frame f o r cleanup i s a l s o s h o r t e r .

5 And a l l of these things are

6 explained i n more d e t a i l i n that proposed p l a n

7 there and you can read i t . So you can read

8 that l a t e r , i f you would l i k e .

9 But a l t e r n a t i v e S4 i s the

1 0 a l t e r n a t i v e EPA has i d e n t i f i e d as i t s p r e f e r r e d

1 1 a l t e r n a t i v e . But we -- we have not decided.

1 2 The State i s on board w i t h our

1 3 i d e n t i f y i n g S4. They a l s o b e l i e v e that that i s

1 4 the best a l t e r n a t i v e . But i t ' s not a done

1 5 d e a l , we haven't taken p u b l i c comments yet.

16 THE AUDIENCE: So S4 i s j u s t S2 and

1 7 S3 put together?

IS SPEAKER, MR. BRIAN ZURBUCHEN:

1 9 Correct.

2° THE AUDIENCE: Why i s i t cheaper

2 1 than j u s t S3?

2 2 SPEAKER, MR. BRIAN ZURBUCHEN: I t ' s

2 3 the time frame i t ' s r e q u i r e d to -- to -- f o r i t

2 4 to operate. I f you -- i f you f l i p i n there,

2 5 i t ' s on page --


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1 THE AUDIENCE: 16.

2 SPEAKER, MR. BRIAN ZURBUCHEN: I am

3 sorry?

4 THE AUDIENCE: Page 16.

5 SPEAKER, MR. BRIAN ZURBUCHEN: 16.

6 On page 16. Ten years i t was

7 estimated to take S3, and f i v e f o r S4.

8 Now, f o r OU 2 groundwater, t h i s i s

9 that l a r g e downgrading groundwater plume.

1 0 Again, we looked at the t h r e s h o l d c r i t e r i a , d i d

1 1 no a c t i o n , didn't meet i t . The others met that

1 2 t h r e s h o l d c r i t e r i a .

1 3 I f you looked down at the -- our

1 4 e v a l u a t i o n on our s c a l e from 1 to 5, w i t h 5

1 5 being b e t t e r , a l t e r n a t i v e G4 best meets our

1 6 c r i t e r i a at a cost of 15.5 m i l l i o n

1 7 approximately.

1 8 A l t e r n a t i v e G4, wi t h the i n j e c t i o n s

1 9 and pump and t r e a t , you n o t i c e i t ' s much more

2 0 expensive. The i n j e c t i o n s are q u i t e expensive

2 1 because i t ' s 115, 110 fee t to get to the water

2 2 t a b l e , and then i t ' s 110 fee t t h i c k , that

2 3 a q u i f e r i s . So i t ' s hard to d e l i v e r a l l of

2 4 those -- d e l i v e r the treatment chemicals

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1 Um, and, EPA, both EPA and the State 2 agree that a l t e r n a t i v e G3 i s the preferred 3 a l t e r n a t i v e . 4 And t h i s just says, with regard to 5 s a t i s f y threshold c r i t e r i a and best s a t i s f i e d 6 the balancing c r i t e r i a . 7 This i s an EPA fund lead s i t e . Um, 8 EPA and the State w i l l be paying for t h i s 9 remedy.

1 0 Garvey, t h i s s i t e became e l i g i b l e 1 1 for Federal funding when i t was put on the 1 2 national p r i o r i t i e s l i s t and they declared 1 3 bankruptcy. 1 4 So, as I've said before, the public 1 5 comment period, we're i n the middle of i t . I t 1 6 ends August 3 0th. So you have plenty of time 1 7 to take a closer look at the proposed plan and 1 8 send us your comments. 1 9 We'll issue -- a f t e r we receive 2 0 those comments and take them into 2 1 consideration, we'll issue what's c a l l e d a 2 2 Record of Decision. That documents what our 2 3 remedial action i s going to be for the s i t e . 2 4 And i t w i l l include our response to the public 2 5 comments.


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1 L a t e r , w e ' l l have a design meeting

2 at some p o i n t when we get i n t o the design of

3 t h i s system. And then l a t e r Phase 3 w i l l have

4 a -- w e l l , and then w e ' l l implement the design

5 i n the i n t e r i m remedial a c t i o n .

6 I t h i n k I've s a i d most of t h i s

7 already. Fax, e-mail or l e t t e r . I f you have

8 v e r b a l comments t o n i g h t , i f we can't answer

9 them here, w e ' l l get you a w r i t t e n answer. But

1 0 w e ' l l take your comments t o n i g h t , i f you'd

11 l i k e .

1 2 So I t h i n k I ' l l leave that s l i d e up

1 3 i f you want to w r i t e i t down. A c t u a l l y , i t ' s

1 4 i n the f a c t s sheet and i n the proposed p l a n . I

1 5 t h i n k everybody has a copy.

1 6 So, I ' l l take questions, i f you're s t i l l

1 7 awake.

is THE AUDIENCE: How long before any

1 9 of t h i s could p o s s i b l y be implemented? I mean,

2 0 we had a meeting i n 2010, we're back to 2013.

2 1 We're pa r t of the way there.


2 3 Before -- so you're asking how long w i l l i t be

2 4 before we a c t u a l l y s t a r t c o n s t r u c t i n g something

2 5 to address that OU 2 plume?


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1 THE AUDIENCE: Yeah.

2 SPEAKER, MR. BRIAN ZURBUCHEN: 3 Currently, I think our on-site construction 4 a c t i v i t i e s are projected to begin I believe 5 i t ' s 2015. In 2015. The -- the next phase 6 that we'll go through i s we have -- we have --7 we have to have a -- we have to hi r e a 8 contractor to design our system. 9 Let's say that these a l t e r n a t i v e s

1 0 are the ones that end up being selected a f t e r 1 1 reviewing public comments, then we have to have 1 2 our contractors complete a design. And then we 1 3 have to review that design and go back and 1 4 f o r t h on -- on comments, a l l the while working 1 5 with the State and to i r o n out t h e i r comments 1 6 and t h e i r r e v i s i o n s . 1 7 Um, a f t e r that, then we w i l l , you 1 8 know, h i r e a -- a construction contractor. 1 9 We -- i t has to go through a public bidding 2 0 process. So that design has to be b i d out. 2 1 And that's a process as w e l l . 2 2 I t doesn't happen overnight and l i k e 2 3 I was saying before, i t ' s a huge sum of money 2 4 that we're t a l k i n g about to clean t h i s s i t e up.-2 5 I t i s very serious. We don't want to take any


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1 missteps, so we step c a r e f u l l y .

2 THE AUDIENCE: How many years do you

3 have a c t u a l accurate i n f o r m a t i o n on your

4 t e s t i n g ?

5 SPEAKER, MR. BRIAN ZURBUCHEN: On

6 the samples that we've s e l e c t e d , we have, you

7 know, we have -- we go through a v a l i d a t i o n

8 process that we use to evaluate whether our

9 procedures i n the f i e l d were c o r r e c t , whether

1 0 the la b performed i t s job c o r r e c t l y . So any of

1 1 the samples that EPA c o l l e c t e d we have --

1 2 they're a l l what we c a l l v a l i d a t e d data.

1 3 So we can -- we say we can base our

1 4 d e c i s i o n s on t h i s data. And that data that was

1 5 c o l l e c t e d p r e v i o u s l y by Garvey, we don't know.

1 6 We aren't r e l y i n g on that data to make our

1 7 recommendation f o r a proposed p l a n t o n i g h t ,

is We're r e l y i n g on our data that we c o l l e c t e d .

1 9 THE AUDIENCE: You s a i d that -- that

2 0 t h i s i s -- has been spreading f o r a l o t of --

21 SPEAKER, MR. BRIAN ZURBUCHEN: I t

2 2 could have been spreading f o r 53 years, ever

2 3 since they put i n the tank. We don't know when

2 4 the rel e a s e occurred.

2 5 THE AUDIENCE: So through p e r i o d i c


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1 t e s t i n g , have you n o t i c e d that i t ' s

2 spreading --

3 SPEAKER, MR. BRIAN ZURBUCHEN: Is i t

4 c o n t i n u i n g to spread?

5 THE AUDIENCE: Yes. How f a s t i s i t

6 spreading?

7 SPEAKER, MR. BRIAN ZURBUCHEN: A

8 foot or two a day. I t continues to migrate

9 w i t h the d i r e c t i o n of groundwater flow.

10 THE AUDIENCE: So sin c e i t i s

11 probably going to take at l e a s t f i v e years

12 a f t e r 2015, that i s 2020, how f a r west w i l l be

1 3 the plume at that time?

1 4 SPEAKER, MR. BRIAN ZURBUCHEN: We're

1 5 --we're going to continue to monitor i t . I'm

1 6 not going to guess how f a r i t w i l l be. We'll

1 7 continue to monitor i t .

1 8 We have -- one of the thin g s that

1 9 we've done i s construct a groundwater flow and

20 tr a n s p o r t model during -- during the -- l e t ' s

21 see. We have sid e - b y - s i d e , we have two t h i n g

2 2 going on. So i t ' s hard to keep thi n g s separate

23 sometimes.

2 4 But we have that i n t e r i m a c t i o n

2 5 going on r i g h t where we're a c t u a l l y i n the


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1 remedial a c t i o n phase at the source area. And

2 we've got t h i s phase going on.

3 But we've done a groundwater flow

4 and t r a n s p o r t model and i n general i t ' s about a

5 foot or two per day that the groundwater --

6 t h a t ' s the r a t e the groundwater moves a t .

7 Now, that f r o n t edge i s c o n t i n u i n g

8 to smear and spread out, you know, to --

9 THE AUDIENCE: So i t ' s moving nor t h

1 0 and south also?

1 1 SPEAKER, MR. BRIAN ZURBUCHEN: No.

1 2 I t ' s moving to the east -- almost d i r e c t l y

1 3 east. I f you see the plume there on that map,

1 4 i t ' s almost d i r e c t l y east. I t ' s about 11

1 5 degrees south of east. That's the d i r e c t i o n

1 6 the plume i s moving from that e l e v a t o r .

1 7 THE AUDIENCE: My k i d s go to school

1 8 l e s s than a h a l f a mile to the south edge of

1 9 that plume. So i t ' s - - i f i t ' s not t r e a t e d f o r

2 0 how many years, would they ever be a f f e c t e d by

21 i t ?

2 2 SPEAKER, MR. BRIAN ZURBUCHEN: Well,

2 3 there should be no concern, because there i s no

2 4 exposure pathway complete.

2 5 They -- the school i s on municipal


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1 water. Am I c o r r e c t ? I b e l i e v e i t i s . Randy

2 stepped out r i g h t -- no, there he i s .

3 THE AUDIENCE: Because we've got

4 notes home from school suggesting that the k i d s

5 b r i n g t h e i r own water because i t ' s high i n

6 n i t r a t e s .


8 because i t ' s high i n n i t r a t e s .

9 THE AUDIENCE: Yes, t h a t ' s i n the --

10 SPEAKER, MR. BRIAN ZURBUCHEN:

11 Right. N i t r a t e s are not a s s o c i a t e d w i t h the

1 2 Garvey E l e v a t o r s i t e . N i t r a t e s are a r e g i o n a l

1 3 problem i n t h i s area.

1 4 THE AUDIENCE: I was wondering i f

1 5 there i s a p o s s i b i l i t y that i t i s spreading i n

1 6 one d i r e c t i o n ?


1 8 Remember, i t ' s 110, 115 fee t even to the water

1 9 t a b l e . And i f there -- they're not on the

2 0 former property i t s e l f . So the s o i l i s not

2 1 contaminated w i t h contaminants from Garvey.

2 2 The groundwater may be, but -- but they're on

2 3 the surface. And i f you're not d r i n k i n g the

2 4 water, then there's no complete pathway.

25 THE AUDIENCE: -- r i g h t across the


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1 road from Garvey.

2 THE AUDIENCE: They're not on the

3 c i t y water, the school i s on the p r i v a t e w e l l .

4 SPEAKER, MR. BRIAN ZURBUCHEN: The

5 school i s on a p r i v a t e w e l l --

6 THE AUDIENCE: I t ' s south of the

7 plume?

8 THE AUDIENCE: Wallace, Adam.


1 0 D i f f e r e n t school. Okay. So you were t h i n k i n g

1 1 of a d i f f e r e n t school?

12 THE AUDIENCE: Well, I was t h i n k i n g

1 3 of d i f f e r e n t l o c a t i o n s .

14 THE AUDIENCE: I t ' s on Baltimore

1 5 about a h a l f of a mile from the south edge of

1 6 that plume.

17 SPEAKER, MR. BRIAN ZURBUCHEN: Okay.

18 Well, the -- i f we get too many people t a l k i n g

1 9 at once, the court r e p o r t e r wouldn't be able to

2 0 do her job.

2 1 You're a h a l f mile -- we -- we are

2 2 confident i n knowing where that plume i s r i g h t

2 3 now. We have monitoring w e l l s -- here, l e t me

2 4 f l i p back to a f i g u r e .

2 5 We have groundwater monitoring w e l l s


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1 on the perimeter of the plume, j u s t outside of

2 the plume monitoring i t to -- to determine --

3 THE AUDIENCE: How often?

4 SPEAKER, MR. BRIAN ZURBUCHEN: How

5 o f t e n do we sample those? The sampling

6 frequency i s -- i s changing. I t changes

7 because e a r l y on we don't know as much. We

8 sample more f r e q u e n t l y . But I b e l i e v e we're

9 sampling those on a semiannual b a s i s r i g h t now.

1 0 A h a l f mile i s a long way when we're

1 1 t a l k i n g l a t e r a l l y from the plume. I t ' s not i n

1 2 the d i r e c t i o n of the groundwater flow. So i t ' s

1 3 o f f to the s i d e . So the plume would have to

1 4 d i f f u s e and disperse out that f a r , which i t --

1 5 i t -- i t ' s not d i s p e r s i n g l a t e r a l l y at any

1 6 great r a t e , i f any.

1 7 THE AUDIENCE: Where i s Wabash

1 8 Avenue on your map?


2 0 Wabash i s r i g h t there.

21 THE AUDIENCE: That i s a l l between

2 2 highway --

23 SPEAKER, MR. BRIAN ZURBUCHEN: Did

2 4 -- can you see that cursor on the screen?



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1 SPEAKER, MR. BRIAN ZURBUCHEN: That

2 i s where Wabash i s .

3 THE AUDIENCE: I thought there was a

4 t e s t s i t e r i g h t on the edge of that plume.

5 I d l e w i l d e and Wabash.


7 I d l e w i l d e and Wabash would be r i g h t here at the

8 i n t e r s e c t i o n . So we have a monitoring w e l l

9 j u s t west of there.

1 0 Oh, you probably saw a t r a n s e c t .

1 1 Okay. I know which f i g u r e you're t a l k i n g

1 2 about, we c o l l e c t e d groundwater samples there.

1 3 So the school i s on Wabash you s a i d .

1 4 THE AUDIENCE: No. No.

is THE AUDIENCE: I t ' s on Baltimore.

16 THE AUDIENCE: Baltimore.


1 8 That's even c l o s e r to the source area.

1 9 THE AUDIENCE: I t ' s c l o s e r to the

2 0 source area, but a l i t t l e f a r t h e r south.

21 THE AUDIENCE: Right.

2 2 THE AUDIENCE: Because I'm 100 yards

2 3 from Wabash and I d l e w i l d e .

2 4 SPEAKER, MR. BRIAN ZURBUCHEN: 10 0

2 5 yards south of there?


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2 SPEAKER, MR. BRIAN ZURBUCHEN: And

3 we sampled your w e l l before, c o r r e c t ?

4 THE AUDIENCE: Well --

5 SPEAKER, MR. BRIAN ZURBUCHEN: We

6 have sampled i t . I'm confident we have. I

7 t h i n k that I've spoken to you before. Your

8 l a s t name i s --

9 THE AUDIENCE: You mean p r i v a t e

10 w e l l ?

11 SPEAKER, MR. BRIAN ZURBUCHEN: I'm

12 sorry?

1 3 THE AUDIENCE: You mean, sampled our

1 4 p r i v a t e w e l l ?

15 SPEAKER, MR. BRIAN ZURBUCHEN: Yes.

is THE AUDIENCE: Don't they t e s t i t

1 7 across I d l e w i l d e ?

is SPEAKER, MR. BRIAN ZURBUCHEN:

1 9 Across I d l e w i l d e , I b e l i e v e the municipal main,

20 a removal extended to the municipal main a l l

21 the way down to Wabash.

22 THE AUDIENCE: Yeah, that i s t r u e .

23 SPEAKER, MR. BRIAN ZURBUCHEN: A l l

2 4 the way down Wabash. And you're j u s t on the

25 other side of I d l e w i l d e from Wabash.


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3 you' re - -

4 THE AUDIENCE: They go across the

5 road w i t h t h e i r -- where a l l the orange pipes

6 are. That --


8 the C i t y may be extending i t f u r t h e r , i s

9 that where they're working r i g h t now?

10 THE AUDIENCE: Well, a couple of

11 months ago, they d i d .

12 SPEAKER, MR. BRIAN ZURBUCHEN: Okay.

1 3 W e l l , w e ' l l -- w e ' l l t a l k w i t h the C i t y . But

1 4 i t sounds l i k e they may be extending t h e i r

1 5 mains f u r t h e r , perhaps.

16 THE AUDIENCE: No. No.

17 SPEAKER, MR. BRIAN ZURBUCHEN: No?

is THE AUDIENCE: No.

1 9 SPEAKER, MR. BRIAN ZURBUCHEN: Okay.

20 THE AUDIENCE: I t might be h e l p f u l

21 to understand that -- that that plume i s a

22 s t r a i g h t l i n e down. I t ' s more of a -- a --


2 4 Right. Right.

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1 plume there may be nothing i n the f i r s t 100

2 f e e t . At 200 or 300 f e e t , i t may be as wide as

3 that plume.

4 THE AUDIENCE: But i t would s t i l l

5 a f f e c t the w e l l .

6 SPEAKER, MR. BRIAN ZURBUCHEN: Yeah.

7 Yeah. So these are -- back to t h i s -- back to

8 t h i s f i g u r e here, our Geo-Globe l o c a t i o n s where

9 we d i d extensive sampling here. Um, and t h a t ' s

1 0 a c r o s s - s e c t i o n through there.

1 1 So you're saying -- you're r i g h t ,

1 2 i t ' s not -- the co n c e n t r a t i o n i s not uniform

1 3 w i t h depth.

1 4 THE AUDIENCE: No. At one mile at

1 5 the edge of that plume, i t ' s not a s t r a i g h t up

1 6 and down. That -- that plume may be 2 00 f e e t

1 7 down, and at 100 fee t i t may be cl e a n .


1 9 Right. Right. I t could be.

20 THE AUDIENCE: That's what I'm

2 1 g e t t i n g a t , that i t slopes t h i s way.

2 2 SPEAKER, MR. BRIAN ZURBUCHEN: That

2 3 i s r i g h t .

2 4 So out here we had a w e l l that i s

2 5 shallow. The water from i t might not be


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1 contaminated. Right there -- where d i d i t go?

2 Where the cursor i s r i g h t there.


4 SPEAKER, MR. BRIAN ZURBUCHEN: Yeah.

5 I t ' s not -- the co n c e n t r a t i o n i s not the same

6 everywhere w i t h depth. Yeah.

7 THE AUDIENCE: So the pa r t of the

8 plume why i s i t at the e l e v a t o r now that i s --

9 i t hasn't been l e a k i n g f o r years. Why wouldn't

1 0 the l a r g e s t c o n c e n t r a t i o n -- why wouldn't --

1 1 SPEAKER, MR. BRIAN ZURBUCHEN: Well,

1 2 some of the highest concentrations were at the

1 3 e l e v a t o r . We've seen concentrations drop by

1 4 two orders of magnitude and some of our

1 5 monitoring w e l l s at the s i t e .

1 6 In our e x t r a c t i o n w e l l s , I was j u s t

1 7 t a k i n g a look back at the data from some of our

1 8 e x t r a c t i o n w e l l s that we monitor very

1 9 f r e q u e n t l y . L i k e we were monitoring them, oh,

2 0 q u a r t e r l y , I b e l i e v e .

2 1 The concentrations have dropped

2 2 from, you know, a few hundred, to h a l f or a

2 3 quarter as much as they were. So the

2 4 concentrations are dropping at the source area

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1 could be l e s s c o n t r i b u t i o n s from the s o i l .

2 Because, remember, there i s that s o i l vapor

3 e x t r a c t i o n system that Garvey i n s t a l l e d and

4 operated f o r a wh i l e . And then they went

5 bankrupt -- w e l l , and we're not confident that

6 the opera t i o n was c o n s i s t e n t . They went

7 bankrupt, we s t a r t e d operating i t . We've been

8 e x t r a c t i n g contaminants.

9 And, i n f a c t , there have been --

1 0 s i n c e 2 0 08, we've removed 200 -- more than 260

1 1 pounds from the s o i l and from the groundwater

1 2 at the source area through those systems.

1 3 THE AUDIENCE: What's the water t e s t

1 4 at the s i t e now?

15 SPEAKER, MR. BRIAN ZURBUCHEN: Um,

1 6 w e l l , i n our e x t r a c t i o n w e l l s , the m a j o r i t y of

1 7 them are below, I b e l i e v e , 100 micrograms per

is l i t e r .

1 9 The monitoring w e l l s , boy, I've got the

2 0 data and I can show you the data and show you

2 1 some trends, but I don't have the s l i d e to

2 2 i l l u s t r a t e i t f o r you r i g h t now. But, i f

2 3 you're going to s t i c k around, I can show you on

2 4 t h a t . P u l l up something on the laptop.

2 5 And a l l of t h i s i n f o r m a t i o n i s -- i s


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1 provided to the p u b l i c . I t ' s i n t h i s l i b r a r y ,

2 there's a r e p o s i t o r y here i n t h i s l i b r a r y .

3 I t ' s i n our a d m i n i s t r a t i v e records. So a l l the

4 documents that we're basing t h i s on are i n the

5 l i b r a r y here f o r you t o review. And a l l

6 that -- that data i s there.

7 Yes, s i r .

8 THE AUDIENCE: I f you pump water up

9 and t r e a t i t , you can pump i t r i g h t back down

1 0 to the a q u i f e r ; i s that c o r r e c t ?


1 2 your name was -- I di d n ' t get your name.

1 3 THE AUDIENCE: Dennis Carlson.

1 4 SPEAKER, MR. BRIAN ZURBUCHEN: Oh,

1 5 Dennis Carlson. Okay.

1 6 We're going to e x t r a c t i t , t r e a t i t ,

1 7 and r e i n j e c t i o n i s one of the options.

is THE AUDIENCE: Because east of town

1 9 on the NAD, they're pumping i t down the creek.

2° SPEAKER, MR. BRIAN ZURBUCHEN: They

21 are?

2 2 THE AUDIENCE: Yes, but they're not

2 3 planning on doing that here, are they?

2 4 SPEAKER, MR. BRIAN ZURBUCHEN: We'll

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1 what's c u r r e n t l y -- t h a t ' s what we're doing at

2 the source area c u r r e n t l y .

3 THE WITNESS: Because they're

4 p u t t i n g i n center f i e l d w e l l s and there i s a

5 huge r e s e r v o i r at the research center to get

6 i n t o .

7 SPEAKER, MR. BRIAN ZURBUCHEN: I

8 t h i n k i t ' s a manmade r e s e r v o i r , i s n ' t i t ?

9 THE AUDIENCE: That's expensive.

10 THE AUDIENCE: They spent 25 m i l l i o n

11 on that p r o j e c t l a s t year.

1 2 THE AUDIENCE: That's Federal money?


1 4 That's a d i f f e r e n t -- a d i f f e r e n t source than

1 5 our -- than ours. Yeah. A d i f f e r e n t pot.

is And we're not even -- l e t ' s say we

17 do s e l e c t t h i s remedy, i t has to be funded i n

1 8 order f o r us to a c t u a l l y c o nstruct i t and to

1 9 move forward.

20 THE AUDIENCE: When t h i s -- you took

2 1 over, I know one of our neighborhoods, s a i d

2 2 that t h e i r w e l l was t e s t e d out at 900 p a r t s per

2 3 m i l l i o n . Is that p o s s i b l e ? At that time on

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1 on South Wabash? There could be -- yes. In

2 s e v e r a l 100s, yes.

3 THE AUDIENCE: But now we're at 100

4 or l e s s ? Or 100 or more?

5 SPEAKER, MR. BRIAN ZURBUCHEN: Well,

6 i t ' s g r e a t e r than 100.

7 THE AUDIENCE: Greater than 100.

8 SPEAKER, MR. BRIAN ZURBUCHEN: My

9 f i g u r e s here, We j u s t had two contours. One

1 0 contour was the f i v e micrograms per l i t e r

1 1 contour. The f i v e micrograms per l i t e r , the

1 2 Federal MCL f o r municipal d r i n k i n g water

1 3 systems. That's the standard that they have to

1 4 meet. And tha t ' s the standard, that i s one of

is our ARARS.

1 6 So, i t was contoured at 5 and then

1 1 100. So the area was gr e a t e r than 100, that

1 8 dark red area was gr e a t e r than 100. Right

1 9 there. And t h i s i s based on more recent data.

2 0 In the past, the l e v e l s were higher, yes.

2 1 Well, i f there's -- i f there are no

2 2 more questions, I t h i n k that w e ' l l wrap i t up.

2 3 You're welcome to s t i c k around and I ' l l answer

2 4 questions one-on-one, i f you l i k e .

2 5 I appreciate you t a k i n g the time to


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1 come out and l i s t e n t o , um -- l i s t e n to us.

2 MR. WASHBURN: I would j u s t add one

3 t h i n g . We have copies of the proposed p l a n

4 here, i t ' s a very t e c h n i c a l , d e t a i l e d document.

5 I'd be happy to e-mail t h i s p r e s e n t a t i o n to

6 anyone e l s e that would l i k e i n f o r m a t i o n that i s

7 a l i t t l e b i t l e s s t e c h n i c a l , something f o r you

8 to reference.

9 My contact i n f o r m a t i o n i s a v a i l a b l e

1 0 i n the proposed p l a n and a l s o on the f a c t

1 1 sheet. So i f you would l i k e an e-mail copy of

1 2 t h i s p r e s e n t a t i o n , please send me an e-mail and

1 3 I ' l l be happy to send i t out to you.

1 4 THE AUDIENCE: Thank you.

1 5 (The p u b l i c hearing went o f f the

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C E R T I F I C A T E

I , DANA L. BURKDOLL, a C e r t i f i e d C o u r t R e p o r t e r , R e g i s t e r e d P r o f e s s i o n a l R e p o r t e r and C e r t i f i e d S h o r t h a n d R e p o r t e r , do h e r e b y c e r t i f y t h a t t h e w i t h i n - n a m e d w i t n e s s was by me f i r s t d u l y sworn t o t e s t i f y t h e t r u t h , t h a t t h e t e s t i m o n y g i v e n i n r e s p o n s e

To t h e q u e s t i o n s propounded, as h e r e i n s e t f o r t h , was f i r s t t a k e n i n machine s h o r t h a n d and r e d u c e d t o w r i t i n g w i t h c o m p u t e r - a i d e d t r a n s c r i p t i o n , and i s a t r u e and c o r r e c t r e c o r d o f the t e s t i m o n y g i v e n by the w i t n e s s .

I c e r t i f y t h a t r e v i e w o f t h e t e s t i m o n y was r e q u e s t e d by t h e w i t n e s s o r the p a r t i e s . I f any changes a r e made by t h e deponent d u r i n g t h e ti m e p e r i o d a l l o w e d , t h e y w i l l be appended t o t h e t r a n s c r i p t .

I f u r t h e r c e r t i f y t h a t I am not a r e l a t i v e o r employee o r a t t o r n e y o r c o u n s e l o f any o f t h e p a r t i e s , o r a r e l a t i v e o r employee o f s uch a t t o r n e y o r c o u n s e l , o r f i n a n c i a l l y i n t e r e s t e d i n t h e a c t i o n .

WITNESS my hand and o f f i c i a l s e a l a t on t h i s 8 t h 1 -day o f A u g u s t , 2013.

DANA L. BURKDOLL, CSR, RPR, CCR C e r t i f i e d C o u r t R e p o r t e r #1364 MIDWEST REPORTERS, INC. 800-528-3194

Hearing 8/8/2013

WORD INDEX 2005 7:6 8:5 94 10:8 alternative 4:76 12:5, 72 97 10:77 7:78 27:6, 7, 8, 75,

< $ > 2008 12:72,20,20, 99 10:74, 77 20, 24 28:22 29:3, $300,000 34:78 22 52:70 11:25 70,24 30:8 31:70 35:72 2010 8:27 39:20 32:6, 77 33:70, 76

2013 1:4 39:20 < A> 35:3,4 36:7,3,9, <0> 57:78 able 3:25 12:7 70, 77, 74 37:75, 000 21:23 2015 40:5, 5 23:20 45:79 78 38:2,3 001 21:23 42:72 above-ground alternatives 2:5 O's 21:23 2020 42:72 9:76 4:8 5:72 7:72 OU 13:27 28:5 24 21:76 absorb 3:25 27:4,5 29:8 30:9

25 54:70 acceptable 25:4, 33:72, 74 34:77, < 1 > 260 52:70 6, 7 27:2 72, 73, 76 35:7 1 13:78, 78 21:73, acceptance 34:70 40:9 77, 23 25:23 26:7 <3> accurate 41:3 ANNOUNCE 1:6 35:76 37:74 3 21:22 26:3, 77 ACTION 1:8 7:7 answer 2:77 39:8,

1,000 21:24 35:77, 78 39:3 8:74, 75, 24 14:7 9 55:23 1.4 12:24 21:22 300 50:2 27:77 37:77 anybody 18:74 100 24:77 47:22, 30th 38:76 38:23 39:5 42:24 anymore 10:27 24 50:7, 77 52:77 30-year 22:2 43:7 57:76 appended 57:73 55:3, 4, 6, 7, 17, 17, 34:75 actions 5:78 Appl icable 33:79 18 31 17:9 12:23 25:27,22 apply 14:27 100s 55:2 39 32:23 activation 29:77 appreciate 55:25 108 17:9 activities 5:2, 27 appropriate 33:20 11 43:74 <4> 40:4 approximately 110 14:6, 74 40 15:7 actual 41:3 37:77 37:27, 22 44:78 40-foot 32:23, 24 Adam 45:8 aquifer 14:7, 73, 115 14:4 37:27 40-foot-by-10-foot A D A M S 1:70 74 18:78 19:8, 70 44:78 29:78 add 3:4 56:2 20:8 27:7 31:76, 1364 57:22 4th 1:27 added 12:5 77 37:23,25 146 15:7 addition 32:78 53:70 15.5 37:76 <5> additional 29:27 A R A R S 33:78 16 37:7, 4, 5, 6 5 35:77 37:74, 74 30:2 32:9, 77 35:9, 76 55:75 19 13:2 15:5 55:76 address 3:2 4:9 area 8:76 9:7,2, 1959 4:22 9:72, 517 1:27 13:76 22:6 23:23, 3 ,5 12:78 13:5 27 53 33:4 41:22 25 26:3 32:20 15:22 25:5 26:4 1986 9:22 39:25 28:77,24 29:74, 1995 4:24 8:6 <6> administrative 77, 78, 27 30:76,

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2,000 9:77 850,000 34:79 agree 38:2 asking 39:23 2,100 10:78 8tht 57:78 agreed 12:75, 76 assess 17:27 200 50:2, 76 air 17:20 20:72, 78 21:74 52:70 <9> allowed 57:72 assessed 21:9

2002 10:77,20 900 54:22 alternate 5:79 assessment 22:23


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10:23 20:24 assessments 25:2 associated 19:74 27:70, 73 29:4 44:77 assume 23:20 24:24 assumptions 25:7 atmosphere 11:77 attorney 6:7 57:75, 76

AUDIENCE 18:77 22:72, 78 23:9, 73 24:3, 75 32:3 36:76,20 37:7,4 39:78 40:7 41:2, 79, 25 42:5, 70 43:9, 77 44:3, 9, 74, 25 45:2, 6, 8, 72, 74 46:3, 77, 27, 25 47:3, 74, 75, 76, 79, 27, 22 48:7, 4, 9, 73, 76, 22 49:7, 4, 70, 76, 78, 20, 25 50:4, 74, 20 51:3, 7 52:73 53:8, 73, 78, 22 54:9, 70, 72, 20 55:3, 7 56:74 AUGUST 1:4 38:76 57:78 available 2:22 56:9

Avenue 18:9 46:78

awake 39:77

< B> back 3:2 4:22 8:6,27 9:72 11:24 28:6 29:72, 73, 76 39:20 40:73 45:24 50:7, 7 51:77 53:9 bad 21:73 balancing 34:9 38:6 Baltimore 18:9 45:74 47:75, 76 bankrupt 52:5, 7

bankruptcy 12:20 38:73 bar 25:78 26:6 barely 28:3 base 41:73 based 23:7 55:79 baseline 27:8, 74 basing 53:4 basis 46:9 believe 13:2 22:2 36:73 40:4 44:7 46:8 48:79 51:20 52:77 BEN 2:3 4:7 6:4 beneath 14:4 beneficial 23:22 27:7 best 8:25 29:22 30:3 32:74 36:74 37:75 38:5 better 13:7 36:2 37:75 bid 40:20 bidding 40:79 big 9:5 16:20 bin 16:79 bins 16:77 bit 4:79 8:70 20:4 31:6, 7 56:7 board 36:72 borrow 29:75 bottled 22:25 Boulevard 18:8 28:70 boundary 30:78, 79 boy 52:79 breaks 28:25 breath 24:25 Brian 2:74 3:72, 73, 74 6:73 18:72 22:75, 79 23:72, 75 24:5, 77 32:4 36:78,22 37:2,5 39:22 40:2 41:5, 27 42:3, 7, 74 43:77, 22 44:7, 70, 77 45:4, 9, 77 46:4, 79, 23 47:7, 6, 77, 24 48:2, 5,

77, 75, 78, 23 49:2, 7, 72, 77, 79, 23 50:6, 78, 22 51:4, 77 52:75 53:77, 74, 20, 24 54:7, 73, 25 55:5, 8 bring 44:5 broke 13:75 brown 14:77 Bruners 6:7 Buell 6:9, 72 building 11:23 31:27,23 32:73 bullet 10:5 buried 9:25 10:2 30:5 Burkdoll 1:25 57:3, 27 burst 10:2,2

<C> calculate 20:20 call 41:72 called 7:7 8:73 10:22 18:77 31:74 38:27 cancer 21:79, 20, 27,24 23:78 capture 13:7 carbon 9:73,23 10:79 14:79 17:3, 5, 74 25:73, 74, 76 29:7 cards 3:7 care 23:5 carefully 41:7 Carlson 53:73, 75 case 32:73 catalytic 11:79 categories 12:70 cause 24:70 CCL4 25:76 CCR 1:25 57:27 center 49:25 54:4, 5 certain 6:22, 24 12:7 24:23

Certified 57:3,4, 22 certify 57:4, 77, 73

changes 46:6 57:72 changing 46:6 characterization 8:70 12:76 characterize 14:75 20:76

characterized 13:25

CHCL3 25:76 cheaper 36:20 chemical 28:25 32:20 chemicals 37:24 children 24:22 chloroform 17:4 25:74, 76 City 23:77 30:77 45:3 49:8, 73 City's 30:79 clay 14:70 clean 4:4, 70, 77, 72 7:73 12:25 23:27 24:7 26:20 31:24 40:24 50:77

cleaned 6:79 cleanup 4:23 8:7 25:77 29:8 36:4 cleanups 6:22 clearly 3:79 closely 15:25 closer 16:4 38:77 47:78, 79 coincides 30:78 collected 15:4, 78 17:20 41:77, 75, 78 47:72 come 28:6 56:7 comes 9:7 coming 2:20 3:76 17:22 Commenced 2:7 COMMENT 1:7 2:70 7:75, 79 8:23 26:7 38:75 comments 2:77, 73,27 4:74 36:75 38:78,20,25 39:8,


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components 29:9 compound 17:5 computer-aided 57:8

concentration 50:72 51:5, 10

concentrations 11:78 20:3 27:2 51:72, 73, 27, 24

concern 25:77 43:23 conditions 4:6 conduct 5:23 29:7 conducted 10:22 conductive 14:7 confident 45:22 48:6 52:5 connected 22:77 23:2 connecting 22:23 consider 2:72 4:75 33:77 34:2 consideration 38:27

considered 20:22 consistent 52:6 construct 42:79 54:78

constructed 4:27 9:73 constructing 39:24

Construction 21:6 40:3, 78 contact 56:9 containing 9:3 contaminant 27:2

contaminants 5:3, 5 6:25 7:9, 10 16:25 17:7, 73 20:73 25:77, 72 33:2 34:6 44:27 52:8

contaminated 13:74, 74, 79 22:7 26:78 28:24 33:8 44:27 51:7 contamination 4:7,9 5:8 11:74 12:77 14:2, 77 23:25 24:70 32:27

continue 15:9 23:5 42:75, 77 continued 27:77 28:7 29:5 continues 42:8 continuing 42:4 43:7 contour 55:70, 77 contoured 55:76 contours 55:9 contracting 33:6 contractor 40:8, 78 contractors 40:72 contributions 52:7 control 8:75 30:76 31:2

coordinator 5:77 6:5 coordinators 5:22 copies 56:3 copy 39:75 56:77 Correct 6:77 32:5 36:79 41:9 44:7 48:3 53:70 57:9 correctly 41:70 corroded 10:3 cost 27:70 28:74 29:3 34:7, 77, 78 35:77 36:3 37:76

costs 27:73 counsel 57:75, 76 count 13:2 COUNTY 1:70

couple 14:9 19:6 49:70 course 5:76 6:5, 74 19:5 29:9 court 2:8 3:20 45:79 57:3,22 covered 18:2 CR 21:79 create 34:27 creek 53:79 criteria 28:75 33:75, 76 34:3, 8, 9 35:5 36:7 37:70, 72, 76 38:5, 6 cross-section 19:23 20:5 50:70

cross-sections 19:7

CSR 1:25 57:27 current 4:6 9:77 13:2 22:73

currently 27:79 30:7, 76 40:3 54:7, 2

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decisions 41:74 declared 12:20 38:72

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Department 6:8 depletion 51:25 deponent 57:72 depth 15:76 17:74 50:73 51:6

depths 15:75 17:70 18:79

described 25:79 design 7:22 29:20 39:7,2,4 40:8, 72, 73, 20 designing 26:75 destroyed 11:79 detail 36:6 detailed 56:4 detected 15:23 determine 5:3 12:77 23:6 46:2

developed 21:9 different 4:72 14:25 18:79 20:22,25 45:70, 77, 73 54:74, 74, 75 difficult 33:7 diffuse 46:74 dig 27:22 29:77, 73 direct 18:77 direction 11:9 16:77 19:2 20:70 28:9 42:9 43:75 44:76 46:72 directly 29:73 43:72, 74 disappear 23:79 discharged 28:73 discovered 10:7 discuss 3:72 dismantled 21:8


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19:75 22:27 30:6 largest 51:70 look 7:9 14:25 MEETING 1:6 52:3 lateral 18:5 15:25 16:4 19:25 8:22 39:7,20 installing 30:22 laterally 14:70 27:8,9 28:76 meets 37:75 institutional 30:76 20:9, 77 46:77, 75 34:70, 77 35:9 mental 20:4 31:2 lead 38:7 38:77 51:77 met 37:77 intentionally 17:77 leading 28:8, 78, looked 4:8, 72 methods 4:72 interested 57:76 20, 23 31:77, 72, 5:72 15:7 17:9 micrograms INTERIM 1:8 74 32:7, 77, 78 21:7 27:4, 75, 79 52:77 55:70, 77 8:73,20,23 25:27, leaked 10:3, 3 34:75 37:70, 73 middle 18:6 22 39:5 42:24 14:23 looking 14:78 28:78 32:72 intersection 47:8 leaking 51:9 16:73 22:20,20 38:75 introduction 4:78 leave 35:6 39:72 looks 18:4 19:9, mid-plume 32:7 investigation 5:2 letter 39:7 77 midway 32:75 7:8 10:23 levels 4:7 15:25 Lori 22:77 MIDWEST 57:22 involvement 4:2 16:3,25 17:73,25 lot 4:24 6:27 8:3 migrate 42:8 6:5 10:7 18:6 27:3 55:20 14:76 15:6 19:22 migrates 31:77 iron 40:75 liable 12:77 24:25 28:2 33:77, migration 26:78 issue 7:74 21:78 Library 1:20 53:7, 72 41:20 mile 43:78 45:75, 24:7 38:79,27 2,5 lower 14:73 31:77 27 46:70 50:74 issued 7:77 Life 7:25 miles 12:25 items 10:6 lifetime 21:27 < M > 13:73 19:20 33:5 its 23:22 27:7 limits 25:4, 6, 7 machine 57:7 million 37:76 36:70 41:70 line 9:25 10:72 magnitude 51:74 54:70, 23

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