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Tastes Great vs Less Filling: Deconstructing Risk Management (A Practical Approach Towards Decision Making) Michael Dahn ChaordicMind.com Thursday, April 29, 2010

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Just as there are two sides to every coin, there are two schools of thought in risk management. One camp believes that there is never enough data to make statistically significant risk decisions, due to the unknown-unknowns and never really knowing the entire population of data breaches. Another camp believes that we have well detailed information about specific domains and using Bayesian math we can come to conclusions on how to manage risk. Regardless of the group or believe in risk management the fact is that we all manage risk. This session will discuss the two camps and propose a hybrid model that goes beyond technical details into the core of trusted knowledge relationships.

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Tastes Great vs Less Filling: Deconstructing Risk

Management (A Practical Approach Towards Decision Making)

Michael DahnChaordicMind.com

Thursday, April 29, 2010

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Who am I?

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Which side are you on?• « Risk Management is Dead …

Long Live Risk Management » 

Tastes Great!

Less Filling!

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Pete Lindstrom

« We have already solved the problem of Risk Management over 200 times, the problem is that we don’t know which one is right. »

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Question Group 1Question Answe

rWhat year was George Washington born?

?

How many countries are in South America?

?

How many calories in a In-n-Out Double-Double burger?

?

What year was Diet Coke invented?

?

How many elements are in the periodic table?

?

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Variance?

• Upper bound• Lower bound• Range (Upper – Lower)• Standard deviation

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Question Group 1Question Answe

rWhat year was George Washington born?

1732

How many countries are in South America?

13

How many calories in a In-n-Out Double-Double burger?

670

What year was Diet Coke invented?

1982

How many elements are in the periodic table?

102

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Question Group 2Question Answe

rHow many languages are available on Flickr.com?

?

How many breach incidents were reported by DatalossDB in 01/10?

?

When did Arnold Palmer first win the PGA Masters Tournament?

?

How many minutes do Facebook users spend on the site / month?

?

How many contributors to the Encyclopedia Britannica in 2008?

?

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Variance?

• Upper bound• Lower bound• Range (Upper – Lower)• Standard deviation

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Question Group 2Question Answe

rHow many languages are available on Flickr.com?

8

How many breach incidents were reported by DatalossDB in 01/10?

35

When did Arnold Palmer first win the PGA Masters Tournament?

1958

How many minutes do Facebook users spend on the site / month?

500b

How many contributors to the Encyclopedia Britannica in 2008?

4,411

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Question Group 3Question Answe

rWhat percentage of all malicious code will be executed in 2012?

?

How many bugs are there in Windows Vista?

?

What is the chance a Wikipedia article will contain an error?

?

How long will it take for an average computer to be p0wned in 2015?

?

What is the air speed velocity…

?Thursday, April 29, 2010

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Unknown-Unknowns

• Known Knowns (KK)– People in this room now

• Unknown Knowns (UK)– Population of the earth

• Known Unknowns (KU)– The day I will die

• Unknown Unknowns (UU)– Which risk management is

right for you…Thursday, April 29, 2010

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To Know“kennen” vs “wissen” « kennen »  :: to know a fact– KK, UK, KU, UU

« wissen » :: to know a concept– KK, UK, KU, UU

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Concepts vs Domains « Concepts »

– an abstract or generic idea generalized from particular instances

« Domain »– a sphere of knowledge,

influence, or activity

Domains contain Concepts

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Adam Shostack

« What the industry needs it more data in order to form proper conclusions »

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I got your “more data”!

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Donn Parker

Due to the unknown-unknown number of data breaches, any data set we collect may be too small to statistically analyze data.

« Risk-based security is impossible »« Dilligance-based security is what we need »

Frequent-ism

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Parker-nomics• Risk based approaches are

nothing more than data alchemy

• There is simply not enough public data available to make any sort of statistically significant conclusion when you assume that the entire population of data breaches or security failures (realistically unknown) is vastly larger

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Rogue Device Detection(Sampling?)

Example

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Diligence-based Model• Diligence to avoid negligence• Compliance to meet or exceed

requirements of regulations, laws, and standards to avoid penalties

• Enablement to meet business and budget needs

« generally agreed upon best practices »

https://www.issa.org/Library/Journals/2008/January/Parker-A%20Diligence-Based%20Idealized%20Security%20Review.pdf

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Alex Hutton

Probability is a probable term…« Governance without metrics and

models, is superstitian  »« Governance with metrics and models ,

describes capability to manage risk »

Bayesian-ism

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Hutton-nomics• Risk management: Time to

blow it up and start over?• Evidence-based risk

management– Deconstructed, notional view

of risk• Metrics based management,

governance, and risk– Failure if lack of data

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Managing Risk

« Managing risk means aligning the capabilities of the organization, and the exposure of the organization with the tolerance of the data owners »

- Jack Jones

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Managing Risk

« Risk management may be hard (or even impossible)…… but we all manage risk »

- Me

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Spheres of Expertise

You don’t know everything« We > You »

Practitioners don’t know everything « Experts > Practitioners »

Next up… « Reputational weighted value »

Success = more detailed info, per domain

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Domains of Knowledge Expertise

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Sounds simple? Nope« Education, education,

education »

« Flexibility of Domains »

« More data (per domain) for risk modeling »

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Conclusion

« Seek first to understand and then to be understood »

« Holistic information security »« Intra-connectedness of domains drive

value of (risk) data »

Thursday, April 29, 2010