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1 IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT

2 FOR THE DISTRICT OF HAWAII

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ORLY TAITZ,

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P l a i n t i f f ,

5 vs .

6 MICHAEL ASTRUE,

Commissioner of the Soc i a l

Secu r i t y Adminis t ra t ion ,

8 Defendant .

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CV

11-00519SOM-RLP

Honolulu , Hawaii

August 30, 2011

2:15 P.M.

Reques t fo r ECF Number [5J

10 TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS

BEFORE THE HONORABLE SUSAN OKI MOLLWAY

11 UNITED STATES DISTRICT JUDGE

12 APPEARANCES:

13 P l a i n t i f f Pro Se:

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For th e Defendant :

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19 O ff i c i a l Court Repor te r :

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ORLY TAITZ

29839 Santa Margar i t a Pkwy .

Su i t e 100

Santa Ma r ga r i t a , CA 92688

JILL T. NAGAMINE

REBECCA ESTRADA QUINNOff . of the At torney General

Kekuanao'a Bldg.465 S. King S t . , Rm. 200

Honolulu , HI 96813

Debra Kekuna Chun, RPR, CRR

United St a t e s D i s t r i c t Court300 Ala Moana Blvd . Ste . C285

Honolulu , HI 96850

(808) 534-0667

Proceedings r ecorded by machine shor thand , t r a n s c r i p t produced

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TUESDAY , AUGUST 30, 2011 2 : 15 O'CLOCK P.M.

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THE CLERK :

Michael Ast rue , e tc .

Ci v i l 11-519 SOM-RLP, Orly T ai t z versus

This case has been ca l l ed fo r Reques t fo r

4 ECF Number.

5 Counsel , p lease make your appearances fo r th e

6 r e c o r d .

7 MS. NAGAMINE: Good a f t e r noon , Your Honor . Jill

8 Nagamine and Rebecca Quinn, Deput ies At torney Genera l ,

9 r ep resen t in g L o re t t a Fuddy, th e Direc to r o f Heal th , St a t e o f

10 Hawai ' i .

11 THE COURT: Okay . An d can I have th e te l ephone

12 appearance , p l ease .

13 MS. TAITZ : Yes. Orly T ai t z , Esqui re , At to rney , pro

14 se p l a i n t i f f .

THE COURT : Okay. Thank you very much.5

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Okay. So I have a r eq u es t by Miss T ai t z to g e t an

ECF number, and I wanted to ask Miss T a i t z : You a l read y have

18 an ECF number in your own d i s t r i c t ; r i g h t ?

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MS. TAITZ :

THE COURT :

Yes, I do .

Okay. Then th e procedure he re i s t h a t

21 you go on to our we bs i t e , which i s www.hid, fo r Hawai ' i

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D i s t r i c t , d o t -u sco u r t s , p l u r a l , dot -gov . An d if you

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MS. TAITZ :

THE COURT :

I apolog ize . h i d - d o t - u s c o u r t s and then

dot -gov .



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MS. TAITZ:

THE COURT:

Okay.

Okay? An d if you do t h a t , then t h e re

3 w i l l be a p l a c e t h a t you c l i ck fo r th e ECF sys tem, and, when

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4 you c l i c k on t h a t , it w i l l have a little sc reen t h a t says use r s

5 a re r eq u i red to undergo t r a i n i n g , and then t h e r e ' s a box t h a t

6 you can check , if you a re ask ing to be exempted from th e

7 t r a i n i n g in t h i s d i s t r i c t on th e ground t h a t you have comple ted

8 ECF t r a i n i n g in anothe r d i s t r i c t . And so you have to fill in

9 wha t o t h e r d i s t r i c t s you have ECF numbers in because you have

10 comple ted th e t r a i n i n g t h e r e , and then you submi t t h a t , and

11 t h a t w i l l a l l be handled by th e Clerk o f Cour t .

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MS. TAITZ:

THE COURT:

Okay.

Right .

Thank you.

But , t y p i ca l l y , you know,

14 a t to rn ey s from o t h e r d i s t r i c t s t h a t have t r a i n i n g in t h e i r own

15 d i s t r i c t s in the co u r t sys tem, I mean t h ey ' r e ty p i c a l l y al lowed

to do t h i s . I f t h e r e ' s some problem wi th your ap p l i ca t i o n ,6

17 then t h a t normal ly d o e s n ' t come to th e c o u r t . That normal ly

18 would be a d i scu s s io n you would have wi th th e Clerk o f Cour t .

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MS. TAITZ:

THE COURT:

Sure . And how long does it t ake to

Ah. Hold on, you know, because th e

22 judges d o n ' t have to r e g i s t e r in t h a t way; we have sep a ra t e

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t r a i n i n g and e ve r y t h i ng . L et me check wi th co u r t s t a f f .

So I 'm going to go o f f th e record fo r a minute .

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(Discuss ion o f f th e record . )

THE COURT : Okay. W e ' l l go back on th e r e c o r d .

I'm so sorry . I 'm not c e r t a i n , bu t I suspe c t t h a t

it's a very s h o r t t ime before you would g e t a number. T h a t ' s

my unders t and ing . But I have to admi t t h a t I d o n ' t have , you

6 know, exper ience t h a t I can r e l y on in t h i s r e ga r d .

MS. TAITZ : Sure . No problem .

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Okay. Thank you.

THE COURT : Okay.

Thank you very much, Your Honor.

So I t h in k t h a t t a ke s c a r e o f your

10 r eq u es t fo r ECF number. J u s t go ahead and fol low th e

11 procedures on th e c o u r t ' s we bs i t e .

12 I know t h a t you fo lks have an upcoming hear ing in

13 f r o n t o f Ma g i s t r a t e Judge P u g l i s i , and t h a t i s on - - i s it th e

14 14th o f September; i s t h a t th e da te?

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THE CLERK :

MS. TAITZ :

THE COURT :

Ten o ' c l o ck

Yes, it i s .

Okay. An d a re you going to be appear ing

18 by t e l ephone on t h a t da te?

19 MS. TAITZ : I b e l i ev e I w i l l be f l y in g to Hawai ' i

20 because I do have a l o t o f ex h i b i t s and I have new ex h i b i t s

21 t h a t I b e l i ev e w i l l be b e n e f i c i a l fo r th e co u r t to se e .

22 THE COURT : Okay. I f you a re p lann ing to submi t

23 e x h i b i t s , I t h in k Judge Pu g l i s i would f ind it h e l p f u l if you

24 submi t ted t hose in advance ; so

25 MS. TAITZ : Yes, I 'm doing it r i g h t now .



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1 THE COURT: Okay. Okay? So does e i t h e r s id e have

2 anyth ing e l se t hey would l i k e to r a i se?

MS. NAGAMINE: Oh, Your Honor, yes , we would .

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It came to our a t t e n t i o n t h i s morning t h a t th e

unde r ly ing case of T ai t z ve r s us Ast rue was j u s t d i s m i s s e d . And

6 if t he c ou r t would a l low, I d id make a copy o f t h a t memorandum

7 op in ion and t h a t or de r fo r th e c o u r t .

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THE COURT: Okay. L et me see it. Okay. Thank you.

Hold on, Miss T a i t z . I 'm go ing to l e t you respond in

10 j u s t a moment, b u t t h i s i s i n format ion no t p rev io u s ly i n th e

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12 So I have been handed a copy o f an or de r in C i v i l

13 Act ion 11-402 in th e Uni ted S t a t e s D i s t r i c t Cour t fo r th e

14 D i s t r i c t o f Columbia . This i s an or de r i s sue d by th e C h i e f

15 Judge o f t h a t district Royce Lamber th , and it sa ys , "Upon

16 co n s id e ra t io n o f d e f e n d a n t ' s motion fo r summary j udgment ,

17 plaintiff's oppos i t i on , t he r ep ly t h e r e t o , th e e n t i r e r ecord

18 h ere in , and th e ap p l i cab le law, and fo r r easons s e t fo r th in

19 th e c o u r t ' s memorandum op in ion i s sue d t h i s d a t e , it i s hereby

20 ordered t h a t d e f e n d a n t ' s motion fo r summary judgment i s

21 gr a n t e d . F ina l judgment i s hereby e n t e r e d fo r de f e nda n t ,

22 d i sm i s s i ng t h i s case with p re ju d ice . "

23 I have a l so been handed a memorandum op in ion in which

24 Judge Lamberth s e t s f o r t h th e background o f th e case and h is

25 d i scu s s io n o f your r e que s t and h is rev iew of the law.



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1 Okay. So you ag ree t h a t in an or de r f i l ed today your

2 D i s t r i c t o f Columbia case was dismissed ; i s t h a t r i g h t ?

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4 Honor .

MS. TAITZ : Well , it's no t f i n a l , as you know, Your

When a judge i s su es an or de r g ran t in g somebody summary

5 j udgm ent , th e o t h e r p a r t y has a r i g h t to f i l e a motion fo r

6 r e c o n s i d e r a t i o n , and I 'm c l e a r l y and su re l y w i l l be f i l i n g a

7 motion fo r r e c o n s i d e r a t i o n . I have 10 days to do so . An d due

8 t o t he f a c t t h a t I rece ived new i n f o r m a t ion and more documents ,

9 I have no doub t t h a t my motion fo r r e c o n s i d e r a t i o n w i l l be

10 gran ted and t h i s or de r w i l l be re se rved .

11 I 'm a l so - - I would be a l so f i l i n g a motion to s t a y

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th e judgment in t h i s case pend ing a ppe a l . As you know, Your

Honor, t h i s i s a m a t t e r o f n a t i o n a l s e c u r i t y . I d o n ' t know if

14 you had an oppor t un i t y t o r ead t he case , bu t t h i s i s pr oba b ly

15 th e most im por t a n t case which you w i l l ever have in your c a r e e r

16 and most im por t a n t case ever e x i s t e d i n h i s t o ry o f t h i s n a t io n .

17 I have provided m ul t i p l e sworn a f f i d a v i t s from e xpe r t

18 w i t n e s s e s , showing t h a t what was r e c e n t l y pos t e d on White House

19 dot -gov by Mr. Obama and was - - i s cla imed to be a c e r t i f i e d

20 copy of the o r i g i n a l b i r t h c e r t i f i c a t e o f Mr. Obama i s no t and

21 canno t p o s s i b l y be a c e r t i f i e d copy o f any p ap e r document .

22 Accord ing to e xpe r t a f t e r e xpe r t a f t e r e xpe r t what i s pos t e d on

23 White House dot -gov i s a compu te r -genera t ed compos i te

24 c o n s i s t i n g o f d i f f e r e n t p i e c e s o f documents , d i f f e r e n t

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1 f i l l e d it in with computer gr a ph ic s .

2 THE COURT : Okay. I 'm going to s t op you because t h i s

3 i s no t a he a r ing a t which th e m e r i t s o f your p o s i t i o n were

4 schedu led to be d i sc usse d . Right now I want to t a l k abou t j u s t

5 a d m i n i s t r a t i v e m a t t e r s , and so my immedia te concern i s whether

6 th e he a r ing t h a t Judge P u g l i s i has schedu led fo r September 14

7 should be r escheduled because you are seek ing d i sc ove r y in th e

8 D i s t r i c t o f Columbia case th rough th e ac t io n you f i l ed here in

9 th e D i s t r i c t o f Ha wa i ' i , bu t s i nc e t h a t ac t io n a t p r e s e n t has

10 been thrown ou t , no twi ths tand ing your i n t e n t i o n to move fo r

11 r e c o n s i d e r a t i o n , I d o n ' t t h in k t h a t whi le th e D i s t r i c t o f

12 Columbia ' s ac t io n r em ains th e law in t h a t case , which i s you

13 have no case t h e r e , t h a t Judge P u g l i s i can then c ons i de r a

14 d i sc ove r y r eq u es t .

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MS. TAITZ: Well , Your Honor

THE COURT: So my t hough t i s t h a t I should r e s c he du le

h is he a r i ng . I f , in f a c t , you do no t succeed on your

18 r e c o n s i d e r a t i o n motion in f r o n t of Judge Lamber th , then t h a t

19 f a i l u r e would r e nde r your ac t io n in th e D i s t r i c t of H aw a i ' i

20 moot, and we would t e r m i na t e your ac t io n here because it was to

21 g e t i n f o r m a t ion fo r use in th e D i s t r i c t o f Columbia c a se . I f

22 you were to p r e v a i l on your r e c o n s i d e r a t i o n mot ion , then a f t e r

23 t h a t happened Judge P u g l i s i could c ons i de r whether o r no t to

24 proceed with your mot ion to compel i n f o r m a t ion and documents

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1 So my thought i s a t th e moment because you a re no t

2 co n tes t i n g th e f a c t o f Judge Lamber th ' s g ran t in g summary

3 judgment in f avor o f your opponen t s , t h a t I should c on t inue th e

4 he a r ing now s e t i n f r o n t o f Judge P u g l i s i fo r September 1 4 t h .

MS. TAITZ: Okay. For what d a t e , Your Honor?

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THE COURT: W el l , hold on. We ' re go ing to go o f f th e

r e c o r d , and I t h in k maybe we need to c a l l h is chambers . Hold

on one s econd . We're go ing to go o f f th e r ecord and g e t a d a t e

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11 THE COURT: Okay. We're go ing to go back on th e

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13 So we con tac ted Judge P u g l i s i ' s s t a f f , and we were

14 g iven th e d a t e o f Wednesday , Oc tobe r 26, a t 11 :00 A.M. H a w a i ' i

15 t ime as an ava i l ab l e he a r ing s l o t on h is c a l e n d a r .

16 So if you a re go ing to f i l e your r e c o n s i d e r a t i o n

17 mot ion , t h a t would still give Judge Lamberth abou t a month.

18 d o n ' t know what th e b r i e f i n g r equ i r ements in th e D i s t r i c t o f

19 Columbia a r e . I f it t u rn s ou t t h a t he h a s n ' t r u l e d by

20 Octobe r 26th - - I mean maybe h e ' s going to p u t t h i s on fo r

21 he a r ing and he d o e s n ' t even have it on c a l e n d a r by t h a t d a t e

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22 then as soon as you know t h a t you a re no t go ing t o g e t a ru l i ng

23 from him by Octobe r 26th , could you p l e a se f i l e a document

24 s t a t i n g t h a t , and then we w i l l work ou t a new d a t e on h is

25 c a l e n d a r . But what I 'm say ing i s t h a t it i s ap p ro p r i a t e to



1 c on t inue th e he a r ing on th e motion t h a t i s now pend ing be f o r e

2 Judge P u g l i s i as long as your r e c o n s i d e r a t i o n motion has no t

3 been de c ide d .

4 Now, if it t u rn s ou t t h a t , u l t i ma t e l y , you do no t

5 f i l e a r e c o n s i d e r a t i o n mot ion , then I need fo r you to tell me

6 t h a t by f i l i n g a one s e n t e nc e s t a t ement to t h a t e f f e c t here in

7 th e D i s t r i c t o f Hawai ' i because a t t h a t p o i n t we a re go ing to

8 c l o se t h i s a c t i o n . Okay?

9 MS. TAITZ: I unde r s t a nd .

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Your Honor, I have j u s t two smal l t e c h n i c a l

q u es t io n s . I rece ived an oppos i t i on from th e Deputy At to r ne y

Genera l Miss Nagamine on ly ye s t e r da y even ing . It could be

13 because of the mai l be ing s low going from Hawai ' i to

14 C a l i f o r n i a . An d s i nc e th e he a r ing was r escheduled I would

15 r e s p e c t fu l l y ask fo r more t ime fo r need to r ep ly to he r

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THE COURT: Hold on. We've j u s t rece ived a message

t h a t t hey need to change t h a t d a t e . Okay? So hold on, and

19 then w e ' l l t a l k abou t when your r e p l y memo i s due .

20 So w a i t one second whi le I l e t my c o u r t s t a f f g e t a

21 new da t e from Judge P u g l i s i ' s s t a f f . T he y ' r e t a l k i n g over th e

22 t e l ephone , Miss T ai t z ; so I a l so am m ys t i f i e d abou t th e e xa c t

23 d a t e . J u s t give me a moment. We're go ing to go o f f th e

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THE COURT: So back on th e r e c o r d .

Okay. Miss T a i t z , we j u s t rece ived a new d a t e .

i s Monday, November 21. Hold on.

(Cour t and cour t room manager c o n f e r r i n g . )

THE COURT: Monday, November 21, a t 9:30 in th e

6 morning i s th e new he a r ing d a t e .

I w i l l give you a new r e p l y d a t e . So you go t th e

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8 oppos i t i on memo. You j u s t go t it. Can you provide your r ep ly

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THE COURT:

Yes.

Okay. So it i s due on September 16 ,

12 b r i e f i n g w i l l then c l o s e , and it w i l l be in Judge P u g l i s i ' s

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14 It i s p o s s i b l e t h a t he may dec ide n o t to have a

15 he a r i ng . Our l o c a l r u l e s do al low t h a t . So, Miss T a i t z ,

16 before you g e t on a p la ne to f ly here , even assuming your

17 D i s t r i c t o f Columbia case i s a l i v e , which I 'm say ing i s a

18 p r e d i c a t e to any a c t i v i t y in th e e x i s t i n g D i s t r i c t o f H aw a i ' i

19 m a t t e r , bu t even assuming t h a t , before you g e t on a p la ne you

20 might want to check with th e Clerk o f Cour t as to whether Judge

21 P u g l i s i has any t hough t t h a t he might t ake the m a t t e r o f f th e

22 he a r ing c a l e nda r . As j udges we sometimes do t h a t j u s t a few

23 days before a he a r i ng , which i s , you know, when we ' r e bury ing

24 our se l ve s in the paper s fo r the m ot ions t h a t a re coming up

25 immed ia te ly , and a t t h a t t ime he may dec ide t h a t ; so - - o r he



1 may dec ide it long before then if , in f a c t , he l e a r n s long

2 before then t h a t your D i s t r i c t o f Columbia case i s still

3 ac t i v e . So my p o i n t i s I urge you to check before you i n c u r

4 th e t ime and expense o f f l y in g here .

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MS. TAITZ : Sure . I a l so wanted to advise th e c ou r t

t h a t t h e r e a re two o t h e r l e g a l a c t i o n s . One i s c u r r e n t l y in

7 th e s t a t e c o u r t , and Miss Nagamine, I b e l i e v e , w i l l be

8 submi t t ing an answer on September th e 1 s t o r September th e 2d,

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and it's a r e l a t e d c a se . An d t h e r e ' s a no the r case in f e d e r a l

c o u r t t h a t i s coming t h a t i s a l so r e l a t e d . I have r e que s t e d

11 th e same i n f o r m a t ion unde r th e s t a t e s t a t u t e , s t a t e s t a t u t e

12 URCA. An d unde r - - and t h e r e i s a no the r case a l so r e l a t i n g to

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14 THE COURT : Tha t may be , b u t I t h in k t h a t your

15 r e que s t to g e t i n f o r m a t ion from th e S t a t e o f Ha wa i ' i , my

16 r e c o l l e c t i o n i s t h a t it c i t ed use on ly in th e D i s t r i c t o f

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Columbia case . Do you r e c a l l ?

Anyway, fo r now, you know, you can - - I c a n ' t s top

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THE COURT :

Okay.

Okay.

Thank you ve r y much, Your Honor.

Thank you.

(Cour t recessed a t 2 :3 5 P.M.)



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COURT REPORTER'S CERTIFICATE

2 I , Debra Kekuna Chun, Off i c i a l Cour t Repor te r , Uni ted

3 Sta t e s Di s t r i c t Cour t , Di s t r i c t of Hawai i , do hereby c e r t i f y

4 t h a t th e fo regoing i s a t r ue , complete , and co r r e c t t r a n s c r i p t

5 from th e record o f proceed ings in th e above -en t i t l ed mat t e r .

6 DATED a t Honolulu , Hawai i , September 1 , 2011.

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