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08-31-2007 , 10:55 PM #1

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Hiper Suspension Up ! ASR, PIC , SPC, NRG, ST, Mugen, Tanabe, Energy Suspension, & more

Well, I started off on this quest for a

suspension build-up about 9-10 months ago

when I r ealized a steering rack boot had torn

and I would need new tires soon . Soon after

that my left rear AGX blew. I knew the others

were probably going to need replacing soon as

well. Sometime around then I also noticed a

couple ball joint boots had slight tears and

were seeping grease. What a maintenance

nightmare!

It was then I decided to do a full on suspension

overhaul. So this is the list Ive been compiling

for the past 9-10 months:

* PIC Performance "Select" Coilovers 10f/8r

* Driveshaft Shop Level 0 Axles

* Function 7 Rear Lower Control Arms

* Suspension Techniques Front Antiroll Bar Kit

* Tanabe Rear Antiroll Bar TSB018R

* Function 7 Antiroll Bar Heim-Joint End-Links

* Energy Suspension Master Bushing Kit

* Mugen Rear Trailing Arm Bushings

* ASR Subframe Reinforcement Kit

* NRG 4-point Front Lower H-Brace

* SPC Adjustable Camber Arms

* Ingalls Rear Adjustable Camber Kit

* BF Goodrich 205/45-16 G-Sport Tires

* Blox Extended Reinforced Wheel Studs & Lug

Nuts

* Junk Yard 96-00 Civic Steering Knuckles

* OEM Wheel Bearings

* OEM Lower Ball Joints

* OEM Steering Tie Rod Boots

* OEM Tie Rods

* OEM 99-00 Civic Si Antiroll Bar D-Brackets

* Tie-Rod / Ball Joint Lifter Tool* Xtractor Rear Trailing Arm Bushing Tool

* Miscellanious OEM Hardware

a) Nuts, bolts, etc

After I had successfully compiled everything I

wanted, I had to plan a time that would suit my

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wife and I the best and this week worked out

perfect. I gave myself 4 days to complete the

job just in case I got hung up on any unforseen

snags (which I did). 3 days @ 7.5 hours and 1

day @ 10 hours. Tomorrow is the last day that

I will be working on the car. I wouldve liked to

do a write-up on some of the stuff but most

things Im doing are pretty much covered. This

is my prelude to this thread and I shall update

soon enough .

ThanX 4 staying TuNeD!

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Here's one pic till next update:

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09-01-2007 , 02:07 AM #3

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somebody is balling.....haha

GL with the build bro
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09-01-2007 , 03:59 PM #4

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Re: (bmoua)

Holly sh@t lots of parts!

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09-02-2007,

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Re: Hiper Suspension Up ! ASR, PIC , SPC, NRG, ST , Mugen, Tanabe, Energy Suspension, & more (Guam_C

Ok the long awaited update. With the vehicle in its previous state (Weapon-R Dual Spring Circuit Pro Coilovers, KYB AGX) the car

felt under damped since day one , around late 2002 . The cars handling was improved but ride quality suffered substantially. Later

on I added an eBay front lower tie bar, and shortly after that DC rear upper and lower bars. The car felt more solid but it could be

improved even further. Understeer was still a characteristic but not as extreme as a stock DX. This was acceptable until that damn

shock blew.

With the blown shock the cars handling was twitchy and prone to rear wander. On big holes or bumps you could hear the wheel

bounce several times before it settled. I dunno how we drove so long like that? It was well worth the wait though

Here are most of the parts for this install.


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I wish PIC would spend a little more on their packaging. Theres too much room for movement and a disgruntled UPS worker

wouldnt have a hard time tweaking an adjustment knob out of wack, rendering the coilover useless. As a matter of fact, one of

mine was tweaked a couple of degrees off center axis, but functionally is unnoticeable. HKS vs. PIC vs K Sport packaging.


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Old Setup.

Blown.


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I wanted to clean it up a little for disassembly so I could sell the coilovers on eBay. I used brake cleaner and the paint started to

strip off of the shock . I dont know if its the shock oil, road grime, or combination, but this is the result so AGX owners, beware of

brake cleaner .

While I was tearing every thing down this thing pulled up just long enough for me to snap a couple photos. The shop recommended


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not to use a lift because of how low it was.


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Everything ripped out the front.

Tech tip. This was the 1st snag I ran into. Getting the new clamp for the air equalizer hose on the steering boots. The clamp is very

difficult to pinch with your fingers or pliers without watching it fly somewhere. I was going to put a new hose as well, but this is

nearly impossible without dropping the steering rack.


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Use a 4mm allen wrench to keep the clamp in a manageable position. Then use pliers to slip it on while holding the clamp on the

edge of the hose. Slip the hose on the nipple. Cake.


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The second snag came with my ST front bar. They sent me a bar for an Si/EX. Bastards. So this piece will have to wait for later.

Heres the SPC and Ingalls camber kits compared to their stock counterparts. You will note that the front camber arm is longer than

the factory piece. This is why people will tell you not get one if youre planning to go low with your ride, because the tips may end

up smacking the top of your shock tower. I got mine because it comes with greaseable poly bushings via zerk fittings, I wanted to

be able to dial in camber, and they are beefier. I got the rear for the same reasons, although they are not greaseable.


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Tech tip 3. If you follow this guide for your rear trailing arm,http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1589298, it will tell you

to remove the toe adjustment bolt. I found this to be unnecessary , instead I removed the bolt that connects the lower control arm

to the trailing arm. All you have to do is loosen both bolts on the compensator arm (toe adjustment) then substitute the bolts in the

camber arm with shock bolts to bring the trailing arm out more. Just make sure you thread those long ass bolts far enough for good

thread engagement. This is a better option in my opinion but either method will work. Use whatever suits you best.
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Mugen vs. Stock. Looks identical.


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Front installed. You can see the front of the NRG brace right above the tie rod .

Front complete. Flash and no flash.


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Heres a relic from 1942 that a USMC Captain owns and was working on. Functional and all. The spare wheel and tire is original !


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I polished my ASR Bar, Function 7 LCAs and repolished my DC lower tie bar, then had them powdercoated clear. Before the

clearcoat.

The ASR Bar was designed for the ITR/CTR D-brackets. So any bolt-on Civic applications will not fit this without special D-brackets,

or fabricating your own. So thats what I did. I used stock Si D-brackets and chopped the tabs off where the holes begin, then

sandblasted them. Then I found some similar gauge steel and shaped it to workable pieces. I had a welder weld on the new tabs. I


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then measured the distance of the new holes and made a template on paper, and marked and drilled new holes. I planed the tabs

on a belt sander to get them flush and worked them to something more aesthetically pleasing. I finished them with VHT Caliper

paint.


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The reason I went with the Tanabe swaybar is because I felt it would be a good match with the ST front bar. Both the Tanabe and

ST pieces are 19mm. Another reason is because I did not like the way the ST bar mounts to the shock towers and they re fricken

green. Also, my wife drives this veh icle 90% of the time so oversteer is not a condition I would want my wife to experience. I plan

to upgrade to a CTR/ITR bar when I take over the vehicle 100% sometime in the future.

The mock up. Now before you other tuners get your panties in a bunch about the DC bar, I plan to take it off. Although it does add

rigidity, Im not sure how much of an improvement it adds to the already beefy ASR bar. Mostly its there for the same reason

people put on Beaks bars.


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1st drop. The car is off the lift. The coilovers can still be lowered about an inch. Mad camber shot too!


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Before completing the endlinks.


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I wasnt able to complete the install at the shop as planned, but I have a friend that was willing to let me use his garage and tools

to finish up. ThanX Dan!!

Endlinks installed. I changed the Function 7 hardware to stainless and used cadmium plated 3/8 spacers to get the proper distance.


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Textbook perfect cotter pins.


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Not so perfect cotter pin.

Night shot.


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Notes: Everything that I could get a torque wrench on was torqued to spec. All bolts with bushings that I could get a torque wrench

on got torqued while the suspension was loaded. Rear swaybar was installed with the suspension loaded. All bushing sleeves were

lined with PTFE teflon tape, with the ex ception of the camber kits and mugen bushing (duh). Set back #4 , Blox lugnuts were the

wrong size, had to go to Discount tire to get some. I used a suspension specialty shop to swap my front control arm bushings. I still

have my DC rear upper bar.

The ride quality is dramatically improved. The chassis seems more rigid as well. Turn in is crisp. I haven t had a chance to play with

the other damper settings, but Im really liking 1 (softest) so far. The PICs feel very well valved. Without the front swaybar it does

not feel like it is prone to oversteer. The h andling is very confidence inspiring all the while feeling very well composed. The car

seems more rigid as well. Although I haven t pushed the limits yet , as I do not want to drive the car without an alignment for very

long.

I want to explore further chassis stiffening. Im going to try either a Js Racing, Alex, or Silk Road front fender brace. Im also going

to buy a Password JDM 3-point front upper strut bar, and if I can get them, Korbach Frame Locks.

Stay tuned, some finale shots are in the works.

Modified by Guam_CiviC619 at 5:34 PM 9/3/2007

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09-03-2007 , 03:40 AM #6

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Re: Hiper Suspension Up ! ASR, PIC , SPC, NRG, ST, Mugen, Tanabe, Energy Suspension, & more (Guam_C

Nice!

09-03-2007,

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Nice suspension overhaul

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nice work man

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Why are you using both a DC rear subframe brace AND an ASR brace? Don't you know that the ASR brace is all

you need?

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09-04-2007 , 04:00 AM #11

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I've had the DC bar for several years, not to mention that I put more money into it by getting it repolished and

powdercoated clear. There's sentimental value in it, but it's coming off next weekend . I got the inspiration from

people running the ASR + Beaks.

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09-04-2007 , 02:22 PM #12

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Re: (Guam_ CiviC619)

Wow... Makes me want to do that to my DB 7... I guess im off to a good start with the PIC Coilovers... I wish I

had a shop or a garage like that to do my work... Guess ill just have to stick with the jack/jackstands and my

driveway

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Wow. Must be a h andling dream!


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That set up is dope!

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09-06-2007 , 11:41 AM #15

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Wow... what was your estimated or actual cost?

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$1135 + new parts = ???

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09-07-2007 , 05:40 PM #18

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Double post error.

My poly squeaks and creeks like a mofo!! I don't think there is any way around it. I used copious amounts of

high-pressure grease along with the teflon tape too. Poly = inherent squeaking.

EDIT: making use of error

Modified by Guam_ CiviC619 at 7:16 PM 9/7/2007

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09-08-2007 , 05:50 PM #19

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I dunno, but whenever i see the ES bushing bearing I see a design flaw...

even if you add enough grease in the middle part, and add a grease zerk so you can put more grease in there till

it overflows out of the center....

i think the squeaking comes from the metal rubbing against the SIDES of the bushing...

or the SIDEs of the bushings lock onto the shock fork...and then twist inside the lca...

so i think that is why it squeaks..

cause the OEM rubber ones don't sit on the outside of the LCA, or at least the fork attachment point doesn't...

so maybe if you put a washer that is the same size as the bearing inbetween the bearing and the shock fork.. to

create a space so that the for doesn't touch the sides of the bushing...

the squeaking could be reduced...

I don't h ave an ES kit, so i can't try it out...

EDIT: I added a quick gif


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sudden shift straight up. These send a very unnerving jolt through the chassis and are met with a loud thud. I

feel this setup is an ideal balance for a daily driver and occasional track car. Ask a woman, she'll tell you it's

bouncy , ask me and I'll say it's stiff.

This = ouch !

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Out of curiosity, what kind of alignment settings are you running?

Looks like all you need now is a front crossmember/traction bars and that junk 'll be diiiiiaaaallllled!

P .S. I love that you're as particular about the details as I am. Prep is more important as the parts you put on.

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You appear to be contradicting yourself:

Quote:

Originally Posted byGuam_CiviC619

1st off, turn-in is razor sharp, steering input is highly accurate as well as steering response,

Then immediately followed by:

Quote:

Originally Posted byGuam_CiviC619

although steering feel is still numb or very light.

If you didn't get an alignment immediately after you had all this work done, then I can guarantee that's your

problem.

10-06-2007 , 09:18 PM #23

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Killer suspension set up. Looks really good, nice new oem parts too.

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Very nice suspension upgrade...if i calculated it out...whew...its a lot...good job...

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Re: (spAdam)

Thanx for checking this out fellas. I was away in Vegas for the weekend for my buddies bachelor party and didnot have internet access.

Quote:

Originally Posted by spAdam

Out of curiosity, what kind of alignment settings are you running?

Looks like all you need now is a front crossmember/traction bars and that junk 'll be diiiiiaaaallllled!

P.S. I love that you're as particular about the details as I am. Prep is more important as the parts you

put on.

Thanx , glad you noticed that I am particular. If I'm doing mechanical work that has related maintenance items, I

am most likely going to prepare to r eplace associated parts. The place I use for alignments does not use lasers,

they do it the old fashioned way, although use precision specialty tools:

Front camber -1 7/8* (maxed)

Front toe 0*

Rear camber -1 15/16*Rear toe +1/16* (maxed)

I realize these are not aggressive settings and I am stuck with my front camber unless I slot the arm more. So let

this be a lesson to those interested in SPC front camber arms.

Quote:

Originally Posted byTPB

You appear to be contradicting yourself....

Although it may appear to be so, I'd like to believe steering feeland steering responseare two seperate handling

characteristics. My understanding is that steering response is the vehicles immeadiate behavior to steering input,

whereas steering feel is the feedback felt through the steering wheel itself. Yes, that was after my alignment.

Quote:

Originally Posted bygsrob

Killer suspension set up. Looks really good, nice new oem parts too.

ThanX . Typical wear and replace items should be OEM in my opinion.

Quote:

Originally Posted byhawjboi

Very nice suspension upgrade...if i calculated it out...whew...its a lot...good job...

Oh so broken. Trying to save for more stuff.

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