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Rahul Sharma

make the header material of a sales set BOM a non stock 20 Mar, 2013 9:12 AM

Dear All,

Can anyone please tell me how to make the header material of a sales set BOM a non stockor not relevant for stock ?

My requirement is to create the delivery from a STO and execute subsequent processingupto PGI and billing the same was as it was created by a standard sale order. onlyrequirement at header level is to do the pricing. Rest of the delivery processes will be doneat the component/sub item level.

I have been able to create the delivery now based on the STO, but the concern is SAPexpect the header material to have stocks at the time of creating delivery.

Can anyone please tell me how can I get rid of this error ? I'm not sure what consequenceswill arise if I changed the header mat.type to NLAG. please advice

Currently the material type of both header and components are HAWA and item categorygrp ERLA and NORM respectively.

Thanks in advance.

G Lakshmipathi 24,694 posts since 9 Aug, 2007

Re: make the header material of a sales set BOM a non stock 21 Mar, 2013 1:53 PM

Try by changing the item category to TAX in Delivery Item Category determination.

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Ravi Sankar 2,801 posts since 7 Jul, 2007


As the BOM material is with Item category Group ERLA...the processing happens at headerlevel. The BOM- parent will be relevant for delivery (item category TAQ). If the BOM iscreated with item category group LUMF...then it results in sub-item level processing and thecomponents/child items will be relevant for delivery (item category TAN).

Thanks,

Ravi Sankar

Rahul Sharma

Re: make the header material of a sales set BOM a non stock 22 Mar, 2013 6:49 AM

Dear Lakshmipathi and Ravi, I do highly appreciate your quick response at this critical stageof my project.

@ Lakshmipathi : I have created my own item category based on standard TAQ settings. Asper your advice I just copied the same settings as TAX in to my customized item categoryand tried. but it is the same result. Any opinions please ...

@ Ravi : As I mentioned before I need to do only the pricing at header material level.my understanding is if I use LUMF I cannot do pricing at header level. Once again myrequirement is to do all subsequent delivery activities such as picking , packing ,PGI etc,etc.at component level and just doing only pricing at header level. Header material is notrelevant to distribution process at all and it is just a container to carry out the billing.

Please assist.

Thanks in advance.

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Narendra Konnipati 1,816 posts since 15 Mar, 2012


Dear,

Create a BOM as Material ( Main Material ) and Components ( Original Components ).

Settings : Main Material - S.Doc Type Usage Item Category Group Item Category

OR - LUMF TAP ( relevantPrice )

Components -S.Doc Type Usage Item Category Group Item Category

OR - NORM TAN ( relevantprice )

Note : Price is depends on Item Category not on Item Category Group . So ,if you do abovesettings then you can accomplish your requirement .

If you have any doubts please let me know .

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Thanks,

Naren

Rahul Sharma


Once again , thanks for your attemp on helping me.

As mentioned before , I do not need to do pricing on the component level. so I dont think Ican use TAN. But thats ok, I can even create my own item cat with the settings that I requireby removing pricing indicator in item category.

But my concern is how to make my header material to behave as a non stock materialin STO and delivery. Because my whole purpose is to do distribution activities only atcomponent level and not at header level. If I make my header LUMF , still SAP expect myheader to be able to manage inventory.

Kind regards, RS



Dear,

First of all , I wanted to know exactly , how you are doing in your System .

ME21N ( UB )->VL10B->VL02N->MIGO->VF01 .

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If Its Ok then I never do BOM Scenario to STO Process like especially above way .

What is the Purpose of Carrying the Values by Header Material ?

SAP recommends BOM as with LUMF and ERLA not with another Item category Groupswhy because this are related to Item Category and the these are related to Schedule LineCategories .The settings will be changed totally .

Note :1. Please enlighten on this more info to understand .

If you want use Non- Stock Material then you should be use Item Category Group NLAG orsome thing but not LUMF or ERLA . This is 100% sure .

2. I am confusing............on this .

Thanks,

Naren

' MoazzaM ' 1,539 posts since 13 Nov, 2009


Rahul

I have similar requirement too. Can you share the material details? Like I have Airconditioner. There are two separate material for Indoor and Outdoor units and both areFERT. Now I am thinking to create Sales BOM. In my scenario Header material will not berelevant for inventory but only for pricing. Components will be FERT materials and will berelevant for inventory but not pricing.

What are your products and scenario.

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Thank$



Dear,

You can achieve this by keeping Header Condition Types as Statistical . If you use LUMFHeader Condition Types are Statistical and If it is ERLA these Condition Types will be act asItem Condition Types with Statistical .

I hope you understand my point here .

Note : We have to use Delivery related Pricing Procedure to achieve this .

Thanks,

Naren

Rahul Sharma


Dear Naren,

sorry for the late reply. was busy setting up this scenario ..:)

TXN sequence/path is same as you have mentioned above, except I have my own Zdocument type.



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What is the Purpose of Carrying the Values by Header Material ?

we have our franchise outlets and we need to offer them some promotional items as abundle for a discounted price than they are ordered individually. So, I want to drive thepricing at header level (promotional price) for these bundles irrespective of what is theircomponent prices are. but for our warehouse operations I need these sub items to operateas normal for picking, packing and shipping etc.

hope this will give you some clarity of my requirememt.

thanks once again.

RS



Dear

I have no issue with Sale price. It is working fine. The issue I am facing is that I need totransfer cost of sub items to main item in Billing document. I have done settings in copycontrol but still price is not transferring. I just want to know that what settings do I need inaccounting views of main item and sub item and also should I tick Determine cost of both(main and sub item) item categories?

Thank$

Rahul Sharma


Dear moazzam,

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My scenario in high level is that, we have our franchise outlets and we need to offerthem some promotional items as a bundle for a discounted price than they are orderedindividually. So, I want to drive the pricing at header level (promotional price) for thesebundles irrespective of what is their component prices are. but for our warehouse operationsI need these sub items to operate as normal for picking, packing and shipping etcs

Can you share the material details ?

I'm not sure what material details you require. Anyway FYI

material type : HAWA (both header and sub items)

Header item cat : ERLA

Sub item cat : NORM

pleae let me know what other details you require in MMR. but I'm not sure to what extend myscenario is relevant for you.sounds like your materials are produced/ assembled in-houseand hence, your header is a always a stock item where you confirn your production quantityon daily basis. may be im wrong.

thanks , Rahul.



Rahul

Many thanks for sharing details. I got your point. The difference in our scenarios is that yourheader material is also delivery related, stock related and valuated material along with subitems. In my case I have Air Conditioner and its main item material is just a text item butI want price at main item level. Lets take an example. We have AC 1 Ton of Rs 50,000.Currently we split its price on excel sheet with formula 30% on Indoor unit and 70% onoutdoor unit.

Problems with this process is

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• Manual working on excel sheet to split prices.• Users can sell indoor or outdoor units separately and with this there is always problems in AC pairs

(Indoors/outdoors).• In sale reports AC sales is always double and users have to divide it with 2 to get actual sale.

Now what is in my mind is to create Sales BOM with AC 1 Ton material which will act just asa text item but we will maintain price for this material Rs 50,000.

• Main item will be billing related but there will be no stock for this.• Sub items will be delivery related only and these are FERT materials produced in out in house plant.• In billing document cost price VPRS of both sub items will be transferred to main item.

I am working on this and will update here with solution. I will be thankful if Mr. T W Comment on this process.

Thank$

T W


Moazzam, Rahul, Members,

If we look in to both the requirements, it is not so much about BOM but about the settings inItem categories & Schedule line categories.

Step1:

Main item:

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Item category settings:

field Billing Relevance = A, field pricing = X, field Determine cost = activated (ticked)

Schedule line Allowed = activated

Schedule line category:

field Relevant for delivery = Blank, (by this the main item shall not feature in the delivery)

If not related to inventory or stock, then in the Schedule line category, fields Availabilitycheck, TOR = blank

Sub items:

Item category settings:

Billing relevance = Blank, field pricing = Blank, Determine cost = activated

Schedule line category settings:

field Relevant for delivery = activated,

fields Availability check, TOR = activated

Step2:

Is to assign the Schedule line categories to the appropriate Item categories.



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Thanks a lot for our valuable feedback. I had done the same and its working fine. Its aboutsettings of item categories and schedule line category. I agree with you.

Thank$

T W


Moazzam,

Main item will be billing related but there will be no stock for this.

Could you please inform what settings you kept for the main item to make it not relevant forstock/ inventory?

Thank you, in advance!



Dear Sir

Currently I have no access to my system but I remember that I have used Item type A formain item category and assigned schedule line category CX to that item category. With thisItem works as non stock item. User enter BOM material in sale order, Item category for mainitem is ZACM and schedule line is CX. When we create delivery this item ZACM gets copiedin delivery. In PGI system issued only sub items ZACS. There is no stock no movement andno accounting entry for this item till now, But in billing document ZACM is copied and cost ofall ZACS is charged to this in VPRS condition. This is controlled in copy control you know.

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My objective was achieved and I have tested this, Please let me know if there is anythingwrong with this.

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Re: make the header material of a sales set BOM a non stock 1 Apr, 2013 1:19 PM

Hi MoazzaM,

When we create delivery this item ZACM gets copied in delivery. In PGIsystem issued only sub items ZACS.

Can you please explain in detail about the process implemented. Also, please clarify thebelow points.

Are you getting both main and sub-items in the delivery?

Which item (Main or sub-items) will be relevant for picking?

Which(main or sub-items) is the valuated stock in inventory?

The VPRS of which item (main or sub-items) is considered as cost?

Thanks,

Ravi Sankar



Are you getting both main and sub-items in the delivery?

Which item (Main or sub-items) will be relevant for picking?



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Which(main or sub-items) is the valuated stock in inventory?

The VPRS of which item (main or sub-items) is considered as cost?

Dear

I have already explained the process in my above post. What else you want to know? Foryour questions:

1. Yes I am getting both items in delivery but 601 movement is being posted only for sub items.2. No item is relevant for picking as we don't use WM.3. Sub item is valuated stock. Main item is working just as a text item.4. In billing document total of all sub item's cost is charged to main item.

Thank$

T W


Moazzam, Ravi,

Thank you for the details!

1. For me the Schedule line categories for main-item and sub-item would be different.

You have mentioned both items have the same schedule line category CX.

2. Why have the main item (a text item - 1 Ton AC) in the delivery document?

For Warehouse related activities, the text item is not required (it is also "irrelevant").

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3.a.

Sub item is valuated stock. Main item is working just as a text item.

My earlier question was - how have you setup that Subitem would be valuated stock & Mainitem has nothing to do with inventory?

Can you please explain the configuration leading to this differentiation?

3.b.

Yes I am getting both items in delivery but 601 movement is being postedonly for sub items

How system "knows" that movt. type 601 is to be done only for sub-items?

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Re: make the header material of a sales set BOM a non stock 3 Apr, 2013 9:42 AM

Dear Sir

Schedule line for main item is CX and for sub item is CP.

Main item (1 Ton AC) is in delivery because I want it . There is no special reason. Wedont use WM so I can run the cycle without copying Main item in delivery document but Ihad copied it just to see the complete set i.e. one main item and two sub items for every AC.

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I think when you will test with assigning CX to main item and CP to sub items you will knowthe answer of your third question. Please test and let me know if you need more clarification.

Thank$

T W


Ravi,

Have you worked on this requirement?

What would be your comments to the questions (asked by you)?

Thank you, in advance!



TW,

Ravi,

Have you worked on this requirement?

What would be your comments to the questions (asked by you)?

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I haven't worked on similar requirement. Initially I thought that the requirement is not verydifficult as we need to make the header material non-deliverable but billable and similarly thesub-items to be deliverable and non-billable. Now I understand the complexity in this issueand getting so many questions in understanding the process. I agree with your above postand looking forward for clarifications from Moazzam.

I have one basic question. When the BOM is ERLA....how the inventory is maintained in thesystem...is it for the BOM main item or for the sub-items? If it is for the BOM main item...howthe inventory gets adjusted when we do PGI for the sub-items?

Thanks in advance...

Ravi Sankar



Ravi

I hope you got answers of your questions in my above post. I am not using ERLA or LUMF.I have my own item category group, my own item categories for main and sub item and myown BOM logic which is main item is billing relevance but not inventory relevant and subitems are inventory relevant but not billing relevant and in billing cost of sub items is beingcharged to main item.

Thank$



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I hope you got answers of your questions in my above post. I am notusing ERLA or LUMF. I have my own item category group, my own itemcategories for main and sub item and my own BOM logic

Honestly, I didn't get much from your posts. As this process is not standard SAP andeverything is custom...there is nothing wrong in giving the step-by-step process. This willhelp many of the members here.

Thanks,

Ravi Sankar



Dear

In my above posts I have already explained everything step by step. Have you tried to testthis? Please do some testing and come with your findings.

We can give an idea and if you are familiar with item categories and its settings you can dothis.

Thank$



Thanks MoazzaM. I understood the situation and hence I didn't respond to your earlier post.But, as the thread was refreshed today(without any new content)...I responded to your post.As suggested, I will try it in my system and refer your earlier posts for any clarifications. Stillif required, I will post the questions here.

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Regards,

Ravi Sankar



Dear Ravi

Sure. I would like if you do testing and update with your findings.

Thank$

Chanchal Bhandage 24 posts since 24 Jun, 2011


Create Header Material i.e. Sales Set Bom Material in Non Stock........if you want pricing atheader then assign Gen. item cat. grp " NLAG " & Item category group "ERLA"

Child item should be FERT.....with Gen. item cat. grp " Norm " & Item category group "Norm"



Rahul

I have achieved my requirement and tested it. Its working fine. Pricing at header level andinventory at component level. Have you tested and accomplished this?

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Rahul Sharma


Hi Moazzam, apologies for the delayed respond due to long holidays over here in oz.

nice to hear that you have accomplished your requirement. I too have got it through(prettymuch the similar way except that my Item Cat Grp and schedule line cat are slightly differentto yours.

But my main issue at this stage is my users does not want to create the delivery for any ofthe component items in the BOM until all the components has stocks in hand and can fulfillthe whole requirement. Im using the backorder processing logic to commit the full quantitiesfor components in the schedule line. but still SAP creates deleveries for the availablequantities irrespective of whether it is fully commited or not, only for the items which hasstocks on hand. As I mentioned I need to stop this untill all the components has stocks (asper the ATP check) in hand.

(please note that I'm using a STO instead of a sale order for this scenario)

Highly appreciate if you or TW or any of the members can give some input on this.

Thanks in advance.

Rahul.



Rahul

Since you are using STO for this process may I know one thing that how you are explodingBOM in STO? Can you please share your process that how you are creating STO anddelivery.

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Rahul Sharma


No issues Moazzam. I'm using the structured material functionality in SAP, as my client hasrecently implemented few components of IS retail. BOM can be exploded in the STO as astandard functionality in retail. let me know if you need any further details.

have you got any thoughts on my previouse query on delivery creation ??



Dear

Thanks for explaining In Sale order we can group line items in one delivery but I am not sure

about STO. I have to check this in system

Thank$

Rahul Sharma


Hi Mozzam, it seems this is not supported by standard SAP. btw what I'm trying to do now isto stop creating the delivery doc untill stock for all the components in the BOM is available.

not sure whether you guys can help me with this



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Dear

I didnt work on BOM in sto so I am not able to comment on this. You can try to find someuser exit for sto and ask your abaper to control this with some check in exit on save of sto.

Thanks

Neeraj Lal

Re: make the header material of a sales set BOM a non stock 7 May, 2013 12:46 PM

Rahul..

As per my above reply, got the SAP Note# Note 546719 - FAQ: Delivery group and BOM inthe delivery.

Hope this will be helpful.

Regards

Neeraj Lal

Re: make the header material of a sales set BOM a non stock 7 May, 2013 11:54 AM

HI Rahul,

I was reading your conversation as it looks interesting to me.

For your question:

But my main issue at this stage is my users does not want to create the delivery forany of the component items in the BOM until all the components has stocks in handand can fulfill the whole requirement. Im using the backorder processing logic tocommit the full quantities for components in the schedule line. but still SAP creates

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deleveries for the available quantities irrespective of whether it is fully commited ornot, only for the items which has stocks on hand. As I mentioned I need to stop thisuntill all the components has stocks (as per the ATP check) in hand.

I face this issue in my earlier project. SAP behaves different way for different deliverytransaction. Like in my case I find, If we create delivery using VL04, sap will not createdelivery if Components are not avaialble and delivery group is not compllete; but usingVl01n allow to create delivery. Reason VL01n transaction is created for a person whois aware of delivery process and can take decision in case delivery groups are notcomplete......

There is SAP note which you can use to stop delivery creation in case of single front enddelivery creeation transaction..... I do not rememeber note number but you can search sapsupport to find sap note to stop delivery in case of your transaction.... We implemented atthat time thins note for VL01N and it worked. I assume you are using VL10G...

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Eric Thorlin 4 posts since 29 Apr, 2013

Re: make the header material of a sales set BOM a non stock 6 May, 2013 11:31 PM

This thread was a great start for me when I needed to price at the parent butperform everything else at the child level on a Sales Order. However, I didn’tget the full picture based on the information that people provided, and I wantedto include a full set of the settings I made to get this to work properly. I’m notsaying this is perfect, but this setup produced the results I needed, which were:

Parent material is setup as an NLAG

Pricing is done at the Parent level

Parent Material is included on the Delivery and Invoice.

Parent Material is “Pickable” but not maintained in stock, hence being an NLAG

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Child Materials are setup as FERT materials

Child Materials are NORM item cat group and can be sold individually or within the BOM

Child Materials are Batch Managed

Parent Item Category Settings:

Item Type = A

Billing Relevance = A

Pricing = X

Checkmarks on: Business Item, Sched Line Allowed, Item Rel for Delivery, Weight/VolRelevant, Credit Active, Determine Cost

Child Item Category Settings:

Billing Relevance = BLANK

Pricing = BLANK

Checkmarks on: Business Item, Sched Line Allowed, Weight/Vol Relevant, Credit Active,Determine Cost

Schedule Line Categories

Parent Item Category assigned to custom Schedule Line Category for all MRP Types,which only has a checkmark in Item Rel for Delivery. All other items are blank except theIncompletion Procedure

Child Item Category assigned to standard Schedule Line Category CP for all MRP Types



Reply if you have any additional questions and I'll try to answer them


Re: make the header material of a sales set BOM a non stock 7 May, 2013 6:53 AM

Eric

Thanks for sharing. You have done good work and your requirement was meant to be metby this configuration you have explained above. This will be a good turning point for anyfresher who'll google this for searching a solution.

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