scripture tradition
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Scripture and Tradition
A bible handwritten in Latin transcribed in Belgium in 1407 for reading aloud in a monastery
The Holy Bible
The Bible is our book
Confronted by a scripture quoting preacher?
Is the Bible the only authority? Sola Scriptura?
What Protestants Quote
2 Tim 3:16-17 All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness, so that one who belongs to God may be competent, equipped for every good work.
Codex Alexandrinus Gospel of Luke
What Protestants Quote
1 Cor 4:6 I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, brothers, so that you may learn from us not to go beyond what is written, so that none of you will be inflated with pride in favor of one person over against another.
What Protestants Quote
Acts 17:10-11 the brothers immediately sent Paul and Silas to Beroea during the night. Upon arrival they went to the synagogue of the Jews. These Jews were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with all willingness and examined the scriptures daily to determine whether these things were so.
What Protestants Quote
Rev 22:18-19 I warn everyone who hears the prophetic words in this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words in this prophetic book, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city described in this book
What does Scripture really mean?
2 Tim 3:16-17 - All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness, so that one who belongs to God may be competent, equipped for every good work.
This says that all scripture is good, but does not say that only scripture is good for these
Also, the previous 2 verses (14,15) talk about Tradition, so if read in context, it is talking about both Scripture and Tradition.
What does Scripture really mean?
1 Cor 4:6 I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, brothers, so that you may learn from us not to go beyond what is written, so that none of you will be inflated with pride in favor of one person over against another
what is written refers to 1 Cor 3:19-20:
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in the eyes of God, for it is written: "He catches the wise in their own ruses," and again: "The Lord knows the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain."
Paul is telling the Corinthians to be humble, and not favour one person over another
What does Scripture really mean?
Rev 22:18-19 I warn everyone who hears the prophetic words in this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words in this prophetic book, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city described in this book
This is referring to the book of Revelation. Only referring to what is revealed to St John
What does Scripture really mean?
Acts 17:10-11 the brothers immediately sent Paul and Silas to Beroea during the night. Upon arrival they went to the synagogue of the Jews. These Jews were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with all willingness and examined the scriptures daily to determine whether these things were so.
These things refer to verses 2-3:
Following his usual custom, Paul joined them, and for three sabbaths he entered into discussions with them from the scriptures, expounding and demonstrating that the Messiah had to suffer and rise from the dead, and that "This is the Messiah, Jesus, whom I proclaim to you."
They were examining the scriptures to determine about the Messiah had to suffer and rise from the dead, and Jesus is the Messiah
What does Scripture really mean?
1 Pet 1:25 the word of the Lord remains forever." This is the word that has been proclaimed to you.
This is not talking about written Scripture, but of the word proclaimed to you the oral word
Bible based Churches disagree
The Lutheran Church believes in baptismal regeneration, the Baptist church does not.
The Assembly of God denomination uses instrumental music during worship, the Church of Christ denomination believes instrumental music to be unbiblical.
Presbyterians believe in unconditional atonement and irresistible grace, Methodists reject the two beliefs.
Bible based Churches disagree
The Lutheran church believes that worship should be liturgical, the Assembly of God church does not.
The Church of Christ denomination believes that baptism should be administered by complete immersion only, Presbyterians believe pouring is acceptable.
Methodists believe in the Trinity, Oneness Pentecostals do not.
Bible based Churches disagree
Lutherans affirm the fact that Mary remained a virgin throughout her life, Baptists reject this belief and say that Mary had other children.
The Church of Christ denomination believes that baptism is necessary for salvation, the Baptist Church does not.
The Methodist church accepts female ministers, while the Baptist church rejects female ministers as unbiblical.
Bible based Churches disagree
Episcopalians baptize infants, Pentecostals believe infant baptism to be invalid.
The Baptist Church teaches that once a person is saved, he is always saved and can not fall from grace. The Church of Christ rejects this teaching as unscriptural.
Some Questions
If the Bible was the only thing that was necessary to know the Truth, as Protestants teach, then why were there so many interpretations of the scriptures?
If the Holy Spirit guided each and every person in the correct interpretation of the Word, then why didn't every Christian believe the same things?
Where did the Bible come from?
Codex Sinaiticus(c. 350) contains the oldest complete copy of the New Testament
Where did the Bible come from?
Bible is a collection of books
There was disagreement about what books should be included
Many thought that certain books were inspired:
The Gospel of Peter
The Shepherd
The Didache
Church tested books for Apostolicity, Catholicity, Orthodoxy
Where did the Old Testament come from?
The Scriptures used by Jesus, Apostles - Septuagint
Septuagint also called LXX translated to Greek by 70 Jewish scholars, before 180BC
A collection of scrolls contains 7 deutro-canonical books, plus other books
Apostolic Fathers Augustine, St Cyprian quoted deutro-canonicals
The Council of Jamnia Isa 7:14 - the Jewish Canon
Luther chose the Jewish books; other 7 apocrypha
Where did the Old Testament come from?
Council of Florence Scripture is inspired
Council of Trent affirms the canonicity of all 46 books of the Old Testament
Pope Paul III invoked the Council of Trent
Where did the New Testament come from?
51-125AD: New Testament books are written
Some other books also written:
Didache
Letter of Barnabas
Letters of Ignatius of Antioch
Athanasius of Alexandria list of present books in his Easter letter
Papyrus P52 (Greek)Gospel of John 18:3133
The Canon of the New Testament
Pope Damasus lists present books 904 AD
Council of Florence recognizes 27 books (1442)
Luther translates to German moves 4 books (Heb, James, Jude, Rev) to the end
Council of Trent 1546 reaffirms once for all the 27 books of the New Testament
Council of Trent New Testament affirmed
Church - Mother of the Bible
Luther: We are compelled to concede to the Papists (The Catholic Church) that they have the Word of God, that we received it from them, and that without them we should have no knowledge of it at all.
Interpretation of Scripture - Tradition
Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation - 2 Peter 1:20
We have the Bible today, but before?
There was no New Testament for till 125 AD. Christians had only the oral teachings that were passed down from the Apostles
Bible was not easily available till Gutenberg invented the printing press in the 15th century. Very few could afford a Bible. Could have Christ have founded a Church for the rich?
If those Christians did not have access to a Bible, how can we say go read the Bible. The Holy Spirit will tell you the truth?
Tradition
Tradition is what is carried down by authority
Jews learned Scriptures orally
Jesus Christ taught he did not write
Jesus sent the apostles to proclaim the good news
Adam was told orally by God
The word of God came to Elijah
There was no Bible in the early Church
What is Magisterium teaching authority
The Bible on Tradition..
John 21:25 not everything written
3 John 13,14 tell you when we meet
Rom 10:17 - faith comes from what is heard
2 Tim 2:2 - And what you heard from me through many witnesses entrust to faithful people who will have the ability to teach others as well.
We instruct you, brothers, in the name of (our) Lord Jesus Christ, to shun any brother who conducts himself in a disorderly way and not according to the tradition they received from us.
1 Cor 11:2 hold on to traditions
The Church of the living God, is the pillar and foundation of truth - 1 Tim 3:15
We must defend our faith
Saul, Saul why do you persecute me? Division hurts the Body of Christ
Jesus prayed for unity: Father, that they may be one
I will build my Church and the gates of hell will not stand against it
In Heaven what will we answer if we don't
Find out about your faith so that you can answer
Conclusion
Sola Scriptura the claim
Quotes from Scripture
Refutations
Does Sola Scriptura work in practice?
How did the Bible come to being?
The Canon of Scripture
Tradition what is it?
Handed down from generation to generation
What is Magisterium? Teaching authority
Important words
Sola Scriptura Latin means only scripture
Ecumenical Council A council of bishops with the authority of God to define and clarify faith, e.g Council of Trent, Vatican Council II
Canon of Scripture a set of books considered to be inspired by the Church
Magisterium Teaching authority of the Church given by Jesus Christ Matthew 16:18
References
The Catholic Encyclopedia
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/
Canon of Scripture
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/arch/sbrandt/canon.htm
Adult Catechesis audios (Fr Joseph Shetler and Mr Spencer Allen, St Joseph Cathedral)
http://catholicaudio.blogspot.com
Testimony of Kenneth Henderson via email
Questions on the Church?
Following links are highly recommended:
Catholic Encyclopedia
Sonitus Sanctus: Catholic audio links
Catechism of the Catholic Church
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